JM's Summer Cycle

[olddawg]

my wife says "if it'll keep you alive longer so you can keep makin me money, then go ahead"

[O_RYAN_007]

That sounds familiar :P

She would say it in a joking manner, but It was too funny! I'd be leg pressing 12 plates on each side, knees to chest... And she'd just fkn flip at the intensity. She loved it, I know it!

[DJM]

She would say it in a joking manner, but It was too funny! I'd be leg pressing 12 plates on each side, knees to chest... And she'd just fkn flip at the intensity. She loved it, I know it!

i know how this one ends lol been there lol

[O_RYAN_007]

i know how this one ends lol been there lol

:)

[BoneDaddy]

my gf took very little convincing but at first i must say i was a bit tricky "should i take prohormones or testosterone? prohormones seem to make me moody and hurt my liver but test i have to use a needle!" she was like, whatever you do don't get moody!

the rest is history, she loves the gains more than i do lol

I like this approach. I'll go into all the ancillary shit you have to take with PHs to combat sides, the liver side, etc.....Scare her into the lesser of 2 evils lol

[weekend]

Yeah... unfortunately in reality it turned out andro was a lot simpler, I have been on so many ancillaries since stopping cause of gyno lol

[JM1000]

Does anyone have a shake before workouts? Usually i'll eat 2 hours before a workout because I feel too full to go after an hour...

My preworkout meal today was 45g whey protein, 1/2 cup gluten free oats, teaspoon of flax seed, 1/2 banana (blended)

1 hour and 15 minutes later I was on the stairmaster warming up and felt great!

[USN HM 350Z]

I usually workout first thing in the morning. I do a pre-workout 30 minutes before and add in 15gm of peptopro to it. Then during the workout I drink peptopro/waxy maize 30gm/30gm mixture. 45gm hydro whey directly after with some green drink and then 1 hour later when I get to work I eat a solid meal, usually 12oz of chicken or steak and some veggie/fruit.

[h2s]

Peptopro as I am walking into gym sometimes.

[JM1000]

Weight is up at 228 this morning, feeling great!

I've been putting on some size and dropping BF although the cut is slowing down alot. I will decrease calories this week and see how it treats me

An old friend of mine that I used to wrestle with invited me to his olympic weightlifting club. I might go give it a try! I think I might be interested... Obviously technique and form is key and I have never done any snatches power cleans, etc. but i'm looking forward to this.

Back today was pretty good, worked bent-over rows up to 275 2 sets of 6 which is a PR for me!

I`ll take a couple photos and post em ;)

[burlyman30]

Getting strong, bud! Very nice.

[JM1000]

We discuss mobility here and there. i remember a few days ago Burly brought up something about injuries and so on.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the members really go hard in the gym, I mean some of you are squatting 500 lol! But i'm also convinced most of you guys are not taking care of yourselves properly, mobility and flexibility wise.

Many could add 15 pounds on their squat/ eliminate knee pain without going to the gym for a week by working on hip and ankle mobility and working on calf, hams and quab flexibility.

for those of you who never stretch or work mobility, you should take a look at MOBILITY WOD, get some work in those hips and ankles (and shoulders) all you need is maybe 10 minutes a day!

MobilityWOD | Page not found (http://www.mobilitywod.com/)

OR look up Kelly Starrett`s youtube channel!

[JM1000]

Super Squat Hip Sequence pre-workout - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBHzXF-mVjY)


Been doing this pre-squat workout and I am feeling great! try it ;)

[Scope75]

Also pick up this book

Becoming a Supple Leopard: The Ultimate Guide to Resolving Pain, Preventing Injury, and Optimizing Athletic Performance:Amazon:Books (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1936608588/ref=redir_mdp_mobile)

[LBC-83]

Also pick up this book

Becoming a Supple Leopard: The Ultimate Guide to Resolving Pain, Preventing Injury, and Optimizing Athletic Performance:Amazon:Books (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1936608588/ref=redir_mdp_mobile)


Excellent source indeed.

[JM1000]

Yes! got the torrent lol, figured people don't want to read a book :P

[JM1000]

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This was taken this morning at 228

[olddawg]

JM , fyi for the first time I just had a tren cough I thought I was going to have to dial 911 for, holy fuck did my inj in the nude and was taking deep deep breaths for these uncontrollable coughs, so bad I ran and put my underwear on in case in needed to go to emerg lmao. glute shot, only 40 tren mixed with some mast and test. crazy, crazy, the shot after that one, nothing

coming along too, nice work

[BoneDaddy]

Look at you, you sexy bitch!

[Scope75]

Yes! got the torrent lol, figured people don't want to read a book :P

I like to read and watch vids.
Bought the book so I can read it when I'm just relaxing at home and it's better than reading on my phone.

[burlyman30]

759

This was taken this morning at 228

Look at you, you sexy beast!

Remind me at what weight you started.

[weekend]

Nice gains man! Good work hittin chest, I'd say keep hammering pressing movements pretty good and your chest and tris will really start poppin

[weekend]

Can't believe you have nearly 40 lbs on me at the same height though wow wonder if you have heavier bones?

[olddawg]

Can't believe you have nearly 40 lbs on me at the same height though wow wonder if you have heavier bones?

my guess is thickness, each take a shot from the side, maybe with a ruler so there is something to guage by, or a chest measurement,

[JM1000]

Thanks for all the feedback, I came in weighing 208-209. As for the 40 pds, I know you are definetly leaner than I am, also funny thing is I have a fking huge head!! Cap size is always the biggest in the store :P... No matter how big I get, my head will always me look small ... My girl figured that out when I lied down on her lol. Other than that, maybe thickness like OD says?

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Oh and I was always heavier than I looked, probably bones like you said!

[weekend]

my head is pretty small. probably makes sense with a bit of fat, bones, and a bigger head. arent heads like 20 lbs average? mine probably 15 yours 25 lol

[olddawg]

what are your measurements around your nipples?

[weekend]

what are your measurements around your nipples?

who me? i'll have to check but i think its 47.

[burlyman30]

who me? i'll have to check but i think its 47.

He's not asking about the circumference of your nipple. lol

And an average head is 8 lbs.

[Scope75]

He's not asking about the circumference of your nipple. lol

And an average head is 8 lbs.
Lol!!

Yeah it's 8lbs didn't you guys watch Jerry MaGuire

[weekend]

He's not asking about the circumference of your nipple. lol

And an average head is 8 lbs.

chest measurement right?? i remember it being 47

[olddawg]

who me? i'll have to check but i think its 47.

yeah and jm too

[JM1000]

I am 46 relaxed and 50 1/2 when flexed... But I did it alone so I don't know how accurate it is...

[JM1000]

thighs are 26 1/2
calves are 16 1/2
arms are 18
waist is 33
neck 16

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when you are taking measurements for torso does the tape go around your lats in a straight line?

thats how I did it

[weekend]

ill do all these soon... where do you measure on thigh? i measured chest around armpit, straight across back and around or right above nipple.

[JM1000]

I will go at the middle of the thigh and straight around it, standing up. Not sure it's the way to do it but it gives an idea..

[weekend]

so, not upper thigh which is way bigger cause of inner thigh and hip flexor?

[olddawg]

for the thigh, measure from middle of kneecap, to the top of the femur, find the middle and measure around there. that way you'll be both at exactly the same spot

[DJM]

thighs are 26 1/2
calves are 16 1/2
arms are 18
waist is 33
neck 16

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when you are taking measurements for torso does the tape go around your lats in a straight line?

thats how I did it

catching up son

[weekend]

760

[USN HM 350Z]

How tall are you guys again? Just wondering since I just did my chest measurement too lol

[BoneDaddy]

Why are we not measuring dick sizes?!

[weekend]

Why are we not measuring dick sizes?!

cause everyone already knows mine's too small to not fit in a vagina :rolleyes:

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5'11" even here, fluctuating between 188-193 right now

[weekend]

what really might be a telling measurement is all the way around the widest point of our shoulders.

[USN HM 350Z]

what really might be a telling measurement is all the way around the widest point of our shoulders.

That is the way I am most used to measuring the chest.

[weekend]

huh? that doesn't even go around the widest point of the chest??

[USN HM 350Z]

huh? that doesn't even go around the widest point of the chest??

most people measure it that way though.

[JM1000]

i'm 5'11 as well,

At the end measurements and weight is good but the mirror/pictures tell you what's up :P
Weekend's arms on his back double bi picture look bigger than what they are... Like DJM said: it's all an illusion!

[burlyman30]

I am 46 relaxed and 50 1/2 when flexed... But I did it alone so I don't know how accurate it is...

You've got me by an inch... but at 5'6", I'm just a hobbit. Lol.

[weekend]

just went to my sister's high school graduation.. compared to all them graduates i feel short at 5'11" :(

[burlyman30]

just went to my sister's high school graduation.. compared to all them graduates i feel short at 5'11" :(

40 years ago, average male height was 5'8". Today it is 5'10. By the time I am 80 and have shrunk to 5', the average height will likely be 6'.

[weekend]

fools were all 6'3 up in there

[burlyman30]

fools were all 6'3 up in there

You only noticed the tall ones. The shorties don't even get seen. lol.

[DJM]

knowing jm, despite his 228, he just seems long everywhere, thus he loses that big full look, for now tho (itll come over the yrs), naturally big kid tho, wish i started with that

[burlyman30]

knowing jm, despite his 228, he just seems long everywhere, thus he loses that big full look, for now tho (itll come over the yrs), naturally big kid tho, wish i started with that

Great shape, waist to shoulder structure, etc. I'm jealous, since my even at my height, my waist would only hit 30" if I was contest-ready lean (for a guy my height, that's not real small) and my structure just isn't set up for the sought after V shape.

Abs look no worse off than before you started packing on the pounds. Impressive.

[DJM]

Abs look no worse off than before you started packing on the pounds. Impressive.

good to be young

[O_RYAN_007]

good work buddy boy, def looking good.

[h2s]

Great shape, waist to shoulder structure, etc. I'm jealous, since my even at my height, my waist would only hit 30" if I was contest-ready lean (for a guy my height, that's not real small) and my structure just isn't set up for the sought after V shape.

Abs look no worse off than before you started packing on the pounds. Impressive.

I am always jealous of the guys that naturally have a hard-v. Even when my waste is 'small' after a cutting phase, it still is wider than that image.

[DJM]

I am always jealous of the guys that naturally have a hard-v. Even when my waste is 'small' after a cutting phase, it still is wider than that image.
same here.....im prob a 36inch waist and thats being lean......my shoulders are big n wide or else id be very square.......alot of people play the genetics card, but this is where it legitimately is a factor for you and him and others

[JM1000]

Thanks!

gotta agree with DJ, my arms and legs are pretty long thus, making them look smaller than they really are, on the other side I can pack on a little more fat and it wont show a lot. Some guy at the gym is about 5'5 or 5'6, works hard and looks good, his arms and legs look big from far away but when I get close to him and we compare, they look pretty small, same thing for legs. He also looks like he's got a little stomach under his tank... the guy has a nice six pack lol...

proportions!

[DJM]

21s biatch

[h2s]

same here.....im prob a 36inch waist and thats being lean......my shoulders are big n wide or else id be very square.......alot of people play the genetics card, but this is where it legitimately is a factor for you and him and others

I still don't like to let myself off easy that way. I can always widen my back a bit more, and round out the shoulders. I like to see genetics as an obstacle not a reason.

[JM1000]

'' It's not my fault i'm 500 pds, I have big bones" - eating a BigMac

[DJM]

'' It's not my fault i'm 500 pds, I have big bones" - eating a BigMac

more like the mac , wings, cake, pasta, n a fkn pizza downed with a gallon coke in one fkn sitting

[burlyman30]

I still don't like to let myself off easy that way. I can always widen my back a bit more, and round out the shoulders. I like to see genetics as an obstacle not a reason.

Same. Just gotta do the best with the genetic hand we were dealt. I think the challenge, though frustrating at times, makes us better in the end. Heck, look at some of the "genetically superior" Mr. Olympias from the past... Lee Haney had some great genetics, but his arms never really were up to par with everything else. Dorian had a much blockier structure, not one that was representative of Olympian genetics in my opinion, yet he was still the best on stage for reasons beyond his natural structure. Those guys were working on perfecting their "imperfections", just on a much higher level than us.

[JM1000]

I still don't like to let myself off easy that way. I can always widen my back a bit more, and round out the shoulders. I like to see genetics as an obstacle not a reason.

Apply this to everything in life eh!

[h2s]

Apply this to everything in life eh!

Good point.

[JM1000]

Since I have the afternoon off, i'll post today's leg workout in advance.

Warm Up will be 10 mins of stairmaster followed by hip and ankle mobility work maybe 5 mins

1. Lying leg curls 3x12

2. Front Squats (replacing squats to front squats) 12-10-8-6-20 (reps) + 2 or 3 warmup sets

3. Lunges 3x8

4. leg extensions 3 sets with leg curls 3 sets

5. Finish off on the bike at the maximum level for 5 minutes! (Ouch!)

(I'll be doing a deadlift session this W/E so i'll blast hamstrings then)

[JM1000]

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Workout was good, worked my way up to 250 for 6 on the front squat... I'm new to this so it felt weird but I'll definitely stick to those for a while to improve!

Hips and ankles were extremely tight so I had a hard time finishing the workout but made it through!

I'll stretch for at least 30 mins tonight before bed...

[USN HM 350Z]

Do you have a foam roller? try it before and after workouts on leg day.

[JM1000]

Got the extra firm rumble roller lol, been rolling everyday!

[Bucks]

Just picked up a rumble roller myself and I love it for loosing up my back.

[USN HM 350Z]

very good. I was down at Naval Special Warfare last month meeting with one of their human performance coaches and we did some training with the rollers and shit was amazing. I am sold forever after that.

[JM1000]

Yeah it's the bomb, definitely a great tool to take care of yourself

[JM1000]

Happy b-day to all the hardcore lifting fathers of SS!!!

[DJM]

Happy b-day to all the hardcore lifting fathers of SS!!!

i have no idea where my kids are, iv spread my seed all over

[burlyman30]

Happy b-day to all the hardcore lifting fathers of SS!!!

Ditto. Doesn't apply to me. It's probably better that I don't procreate. :)

[JM1000]

Had a real hard time keeping my eating good in the past few days... Hunger is intense, i'll eat my regular meals every 2.5 hours but right after a meal, i'll be even more hungry lol... EQ is really a pain for that eh! Had been eating on plan for 10 days so I decided to get my cheat on :p... Went over to 5guys, had myself a double cheese bacon, fries and a hot dog. Felt like god was speaking to me though food!! I really could have eaten another burger...


Changed alot of the chicken I was eating for cod and tilapia. Really feels like you're eating nothing lol...

weighing 225 feeling very tight so things are pretty good although light increase in BP.

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found some picture from 1 year and 2 years ago lol i'll post them up!

[JM1000]

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225 today, feeling a little bloated, ate like a pig yesterday!

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arm are up at 18', triceps have gone up a lot in the past 4 weeks (one of my objectives)

[weekend]

Good work on the chest. Nice taper too!

[burlyman30]

How many weeks in are you now? And you are up 20? What are your goals from this point forward to the end of the cycle?

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

Godamn bro, every time I see the width of those lats I am floored.

[h2s]

I accidentally opened to page 1 when I went to check your log. Saw pic from early. Then came here and saw this pic. Great work my friend.

[JM1000]

769

[DJM]

I accidentally opened to page 1 when I went to check your log. Saw pic from early. Then came here and saw this pic. Great work my friend.

x2 great work
he gets it this guy!!!

[JM1000]

I'm 5 weeks in and 20 pounds heavier. Although cutting down is a success until now, i'm having a hard time going further since i'm hungry all the time lol..

Another objective i have would be to up my lifts some more, start repping 375 on squats 10 or more, 405 for deads 315 on bench... Get use to heavier sets...

feeling good, lots of energy but I would say loss of a bit of libido since I started the letro.. Any word on that issue?

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I'm 5 weeks in and 20 pounds heavier. Although cutting down is a success until now,


sounds unreal loll...

[DJM]

i told you use aromasin
letro is more if all else fails imo
switch and in a couple days libido will rise

[DJM]

as for the 20 in 5 wks, another friend of a friend is on 50mg of the tbol i get and hes blown the fk up running it solo, n hes a never train except 1 month before the beach type of guy

[burlyman30]

as for the 20 in 5 wks, another friend of a friend is on 50mg of the tbol i get and hes blown the fk up running it solo, n hes a never train except 1 month before the beach type of guy

Reminds me of my return to the gym after a multi-year absence... ran clean for a couple months while getting acclimated, and ate more... went from 155 to 168. Then stumbled onto PPs site, ran tbol-lv, not expecting much.... shot up to 185 in 6 or 8 weeks. Waited 8 weeks, ran it again... was 200-205 (but fat). Still whittling off the fat from that... lol

[JM1000]

Starting to see the serratus anterior ... getting leaner!

Also, veins are pretty visible on quads which is new for me... pinning there is so fun now :D

From my personal experience, the tbl/eq/test cycle is pretty mild but i'm really liking it! the gains look natural yet I feel hard as a brick! lots and lots of vascularity and good workouts. Very minimal sides (hunger! little oily skin). Takes a while to kick in but it is worth it!

I`d love to use masteron on top of that but it'll be for a next run!

Anyone who needs more info on how it is just ask :)

[JM1000]

Tbol is done tomorrow ... sniff sniff,

[DJM]

Tbol is done tomorrow ... sniff sniff,
give liver a break, run it at the end of the cycle up to pct

[weekend]

My friends piss turned totally dark tan on tbol, he said no matter how much water it stayed dark and he always felt thirsty... Also it killed his libido... Good gains tho, what're your thoughts on that? Lol

[JM1000]

Cool drug! Takes a while to kick. Pumps are amazing so is strength (sets of bench press are up at 315 for 6-8 reps), i don't lnow about gains until a few weeeks from now... I'll keep you posted.. Oh, and you feel hard like a rock all the time!

That dark urine sounds like kidney problems? I would have stopped.. Really is not normal and kidneys do not heal over time like the liver... I didnt get any sides, i was probly lucky but it's supposed to mild

[DJM]

My friends piss turned totally dark tan on tbol, he said no matter how much water it stayed dark and he always felt thirsty... Also it killed his libido... Good gains tho, what're your thoughts on that? Lol
aas is different strokes for different folks type thing
jm loves tbol, alot of guys get nada out of it..........eq and var are the same.......even test some react well to a lil, or alot, tren sides come one differently with each user......fkn dbol killed my hunger oddly in my exp, loved var......each guy aromatizes differently........all comes with practical exp and figuring out where you sit

[JM1000]

got 20 reps in with 315 on squats today, felt really good. didn't go too heavy because I can feel knees a little...

Starting an office job for the summer next week... Who has an office job here? How do you organise your eating and training. I'm used to a garage so eating was easy...

[VayneZ]

got 20 reps in with 315 on squats today, felt really good. didn't go too heavy because I can feel knees a little...

Starting an office job for the summer next week... Who has an office job here? How do you organise your eating and training. I'm used to a garage so eating was easy...

Work hard and be extra focused at getting more than the usual work done daily... and at the same time, make sure your boss knows you're a quiet and easy going guy that leads a disciplined life as a bodybuilder. That's what I made sure of, and now I can eat every 2 hours without a problem at work :)

[JM1000]

Had flu like symptoms these past 2 days... My guess is withdrawal from tbol lol? anyone experience this when getting off orals? anyways everything is great now, got a great w/o in this morning.

[LBC-83]

Starting an office job for the summer next week... Who has an office job here? How do you organise your eating and training.

I have an office job. I eat when I'm hungry. Vaynez has a good point, if they question it just tell them you have a strict eating schedule. I can't imagine why it would be a problem but I guess you never know.

[weekend]

How do your joints feel on this cycle?

[JM1000]

No issues with joints!

[weekend]

do you notice any benefits from eq?

[JM1000]

I felt it kick in like a week ago... Can train with a better pace, more vascular and i'm very hungry... Which isnt great for dieting lol... But i'll tell you more around week 12

[O_RYAN_007]

got 20 reps in with 315 on squats today, felt really good. didn't go too heavy because I can feel knees a little...

Starting an office job for the summer next week... Who has an office job here? How do you organise your eating and training. I'm used to a garage so eating was easy...

My boss and co-workers know I'm a Powerlifter and I've always eaten multiple times a day. I warm my food up in the kitchen then go back to my office and work while I eat.

[JM1000]

788
Food preping for the week!

[weekend]

788
Food preping for the week!

i need to do this. how long do these meals actually keep in the fridge?? doesnt the broccoli go bad?

[JM1000]

I leave with 3 meals and a shake to work. I'll add the broccoli in the morning before I leave. Everything is frozen. I'll defrost 3 meals the night before so they are good to go in the morning. Kind of a pain to do this but it's so much better than doing it every evening!

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I think you can keep your stuff 2-3 days for sure in the fridge. Won't be as fresh but eh!

[O_RYAN_007]

I cook all mine and my wife's meals on Sundays. I typically make enough food to last me till Thursday, then I'll take left overs to work one of the days. My food keeps good in the fridge. I used to cook ever damn morning, but that became a huge pain the the a, so I stopped that. I only do that if I have to. We came back from vacation yesterday, still went to the groceries, and came back and cooked and cleaned! Someone has to do it!

[JM1000]

Cleaning is the worst lol, takes me as much time as cooking and packing everything! always end up using like 10 forks... wtf!!

[O_RYAN_007]

Cleaning is the worst lol, takes me as much time as cooking and packing everything! always end up using like 10 forks... wtf!!

Folding clothes licks balls, but I don't do that. Washing dishes isn't too bad since I can't stand to have dirty dishes laying in the sink. My wife really lucked out there! I wash dishes every night, and cook sometimes, but she usually cooks dinner since I don't get home from the gym till 7:30.

[JM1000]

First day at new job was good! people didn't really mind the eating, I would just gobble down meals in 4 minutes lol... Gym after that was decent. I'm training at a new gym. "biggest gym in north america" is what they claim.. Anyways it is fking huuuge, I'm like a kid in a candy store, everything I need, they have! Guys there are enormous. At 225, i'm a little over average (interesting change of things. That will motivate me like nothing else!)

Pumps and fullness is down a bit with the tbol clearing my system. Any guys wanna give me their thoughts on adding a little tren in my run? I would lower the test obviously but keep the eq up there... This is only an idea, nothing planned already. I could have the tren by tomorrow. Waiting to hear from you guys;)

[JM1000]

Did a few sets of deadlifts at 475 with some 270 pds guy, ego was through the roof lol, managed to keep good form though, like Ryan says, training with new guys that are really strong will make you step your game.

[O_RYAN_007]

Did a few sets of deadlifts at 475 with some 270 pds guy, ego was through the roof lol, managed to keep good form though, like Ryan says, training with new guys that are really strong will make you step your game.

This is very true! Good to see your taking the right steps to upping your game. I personally don't care about my size much, just as long as I can out lift guys that have 70-100#s on me.

[BoneDaddy]

Did a few sets of deadlifts at 475 with some 270 pds guy, ego was through the roof lol, managed to keep good form though, like Ryan says, training with new guys that are really strong will make you step your game.

I miss that. Not only will it make you step up your game, but they'll call you on your form n shit, too. God, I hate working out solo.....but not as much as I hate working out with someone who wants to half-ass it.

[DJM]

iv worked solo for as long as i can remember, yeah here n there might get lucky and someone is hitting same shit at the same time, but its rare...........loud tunes, caffeine, and hopefully that 'push' is all i can hope for, last night wasnt really there, other days yeah.....plus now its the summer here, too much to do.....i always look my best in fkn january under a winter coat haha, all the power to you jm, im hitting point calumet while you are dead lifitng haha

[burlyman30]

Any guys wanna give me their thoughts on adding a little tren in my run? I would lower the test obviously but keep the eq up there... This is only an idea, nothing planned already. I could have the tren by tomorrow. Waiting to hear from you guys;)

didn't you already try this once before?

[DJM]

thats 4 drugs in one cycle
at a young age

[burlyman30]

When Sperwer's coach heard of his plans to increase dosage above a point that was working well, he called Sperwer "greedy". I thought that was a good word. It could apply here.

[milehighguy]

thats 4 drugs in one cycle
at a young age

How young?

Sounds like working out at this mega gym is going to keep you on the gear just to keep up with those big guys...

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 4 Beta

[JM1000]

You guys are right ... In the moment its hard to realise... I am greedy lol i want all the gains!! Will save for another time

[weekend]

If you want to add something, try mast! I liked it solo lol it must be great with test..

[DJM]

If you want to add something, try mast! I liked it solo lol it must be great with test..

this ^^^^

[weekend]

*~*~JM's tren free sampler cycle~*~*

[JM1000]

Major loss in strength and weight since tbol... That stuff was the bomb, really lol!

Lost a couple of reps on my regular sets, some weight, seems like I lost some ''delt fullness''... they are less round, anyways...
If you want my opinion, tbol is a great compound. Great pumps and strength. Will also fill you up some more!

I would def use it again...

Weight is now at 222-223

[Infamy]

If you want to add something, try mast! I liked it solo lol it must be great with test..

I'll third that. I like masteron.

As for adding in tren as an after thought to an already established cycle with no preparation of ancillaries for it, I wouldnt. Tren can ruin your day, week and year if you dont respect it and plan your cycle out well in advance. You shouldnt even consider starting it without raloxifene, letrozole, PCT drugs (clomid etc), HCG and some BP meds on hand as a bare minimum.

ED drugs are also handy for when you are shut right down coming off it for months on end! If you are prone to acne and young, accutane is useful too to stop your back and face looking like a pizza.

[DJM]

Major loss in strength and weight since tbol... That stuff was the bomb, really lol!

Lost a couple of reps on my regular sets, some weight, seems like I lost some ''delt fullness''... they are less round, anyways...
If you want my opinion, tbol is a great compound. Great pumps and strength. Will also fill you up some more!

I would def use it again...

Weight is now at 222-223

add more, at the end

[JM1000]

Decided to keep on running test and eq solo... Got some more t so i'll just up the dose to where I feel good. The other goodies will be for later, infamy and you guys are right, better off sticking to plan.

Since last pictures I posted, I probably lost a little more fat. From here on out i'll lower my reps a lot rest a little more on compound lifts.

I'll be away on a camping trip until sunday so i'll give you some news when i'm back. Don't worry i'm bringing all my food with me hehe ;P

Thanks for pitching in guys!

[weekend]

how much longer is this cycle going?

[JM1000]

4 to 5 weeks for a total of 13-14 weeks

[weekend]

nice. get some short esters to run while the long ones wear off! lol

[JM1000]

Seems like I just fell on my first blunt needle :(... Did not feel so great lol :P

[JM1000]

I`ll upload some pics in a few days, traps and abs have improved a lot in the past weeks... It`s really hard to maintain a routine that focuses on everything so every 2 weeks i change a couple exercises to blast one particular part. Starting to see obliques in the mid section and 4 abs on 6 lol :P getting there..

[h2s]

Seems like I just fell on my first blunt needle :(... Did not feel so great lol :P
What brand are you using? I assume the needle was fresh (It always should be). I use Terumo for both my slin pins and interchangeables, and seem to have consistently sharp pins.

[JM1000]

Been using BD for two cycles.. Never had a problem until now.

[Infamy]

It happens. Thankfully not so often but I agree with h2s that I don't get trouble with terumo but bd very occasionally throws me a blunt needle and once, a full box of blocked useless needles!

[JM1000]

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[JM1000]

me at 222 pds still running after shoulders and tris lol!!

[VayneZ]

I think I see your long head tricep's developing well!

Any pic of the wheels???

[JM1000]

Ill get a couple and post them!

[JM1000]

Got up to 120's on dumbell shoulder press today, felt great.. Usually don't like pushing too hard for shoulders but gave it all today!

[burlyman30]

Serious weight... very nice. That'll shock the delts.

[weekend]

Standing?!

[JM1000]

standing on one foot!!!


lol.. on a bench bro :P

[O_RYAN_007]

Try strict standing BB overhead presses. These have developed my shoulder thickness and my triceps tremendously.

[JM1000]

Havnt posted in a while, got real busy at work these past few weeks, but i've been going all out in the gym!

Everything is getting stronger except for biceps... For some reason, I have a hard time hitting bi's for more than 8 sets... Light heavy you name it.. Really bothers me... Neone experience weaker bi's ?? Triceps are way better btw

[JM1000]

Just a little update to finish everything off good...

Starting pct in one week! Feeling pretty good about it, got up to about 230 on this cycle and I am now at 223-224. I'll be starting school in 2 weeks so the routine will make it pretty easy to get regular meals in and workouts. I'll keep you guys updated on weight changes.

in addition to what I use right now omega-3, vit C, Magnesium and multi-vit, I'll use creatine, glutamine, tribulus /fenugreek/ and a test booster (got for free from a friend). I'll stick to a clean diet throughout pct and train 4-5 times a week with a little less volume.

[JM1000]

So it's been about 3 weeks...

Nothing out of the ordinary up till now.

endurance in the gym has gone down quite a bit although strength is still pretty good. cut down gym time from 1:20-30 to about 50 min-1 hour.

I def need more sleep!

Started eating some more meat, in the morning too.

I gotta be honest, I keep on thinking about going back on and cruising for a while but i know i am too young to start that lol.

I'll go get some blood work in about a month when things are ''supposed'' to get slowly back to normal.

Found a picture of me 2 years will post beside picture of me now hehe

[JM1000]

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[derekh83]

Very impressive change! If you were to run this cycle again would you do anything different like cycle length, dosage, training, diet etc? Eq has me interested. Were your joint affected positively or negatively?

[JM1000]

Derekh, If I were to change anything, I would have used a little more test. EQ is a decent but VERY MILD drug (from what I felt at least). Sides were really limited to oily skin so if you are looking to avoid sides EQ would be a good choice. Definitely a good stack for beginners imo. I noticed while on EQ, vascularity, better cardio but not much more than that. Since I ran it in addition to tbol, it would be hard for me to tell you which compound gave me more mass building effect although when I dropped the tbol, (which I loved) strength went down a bit and so did weight (2-3 pds).

I never really had problems with joints so it's hard for me to tell if the compound would improve such a thing but nothing got worse so I am guessing that would not be an issue. Also, EQ is not a dry drug so joint pain should not be an issue unless you stack it with ex, winstrol etc.

Hope that covers what you were asking but don't hesitate if you got more questions ;)

[VayneZ]

dude you got SWOLE!!!!!! nice transformation!!!!

[derekh83]

Derekh, If I were to change anything, I would have used a little more test. EQ is a decent but VERY MILD drug (from what I felt at least). Sides were really limited to oily skin so if you are looking to avoid sides EQ would be a good choice. Definitely a good stack for beginners imo. I noticed while on EQ, vascularity, better cardio but not much more than that. Since I ran it in addition to tbol, it would be hard for me to tell you which compound gave me more mass building effect although when I dropped the tbol, (which I loved) strength went down a bit and so did weight (2-3 pds).

I never really had problems with joints so it's hard for me to tell if the compound would improve such a thing but nothing got worse so I am guessing that would not be an issue. Also, EQ is not a dry drug so joint pain should not be an issue unless you stack it with ex, winstrol etc.

Hope that covers what you were asking but don't hesitate if you got more questions ;)

Awesome thanks! That covered everything I was asking.


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