Ralox/letro log

[pman42]

I won't be updating this very often, just if there are changes. Running letro, 1.25mg EOD and raloxifene, 60mg ED. i am thinking of splitting the letro and taking .625mg every day, would there be any advantage to that? maybe even out the peaks and valleys?

anyway i thought i would start this since 1 month of androhard reduced but did not eliminate gyno (although i think the 4 full months would have done the trick, but that was right when PP was raided).

if it makes a difference, i will be running this with a mild caloric deficit since others have reported chest fat loss on ralox. other than these no supps aside from creatine, multi, fish oil and some other bare necessities. I have been out of the gym for about 10 days now due to a bad cold so I am looking forward to seeing how this combo affects my workouts.



edit: obv title should read "ralox", leave to me to misspell the one thing I can't change

[burlyman30]

Give it time. It'll work, but it won't be dramatic. If memory serves me correctly, the 6 month study on ralox showed 81% alleviation of gyno. It takes a little while to build up in your system, so kickstarting the run with double dose or higher is a good idea to speed things up a bit, but eventually blood levels will rise at the 60mg level, so either way it'll work.

Some might think my next suggestion is overkill, but I can tell you with certaintly that when I was dealing with the gyno flare up from my TRT without an AI, that even when I started the AI and Ralox, the gyno pain and swelling took their sweet time to reduce and it was the androhard (people are using stano now) that stopped the pain and swelling. Adding this would, in my opinion, put your progress into the fast lane.

[pman42]

I have 1 month of AndroHard left but was saving it for a rainy day. i'd rather take the slow route with the ralox/letro and save the AH for a rainy day

[burlyman30]

I have 1 month of AndroHard left but was saving it for a rainy day. i'd rather take the slow route with the ralox/letro and save the AH for a rainy day

No worries. be patient, results will come. As for the RRx suggestion on the other thread, the brand they sell is the one I take. I just happen to get it from a Canadian pharmacy who gets it from probably India.

[pman42]

So far results are good. Left nip, the bad one, is definitely less sensitive when I lay down, curl a dumbbell to it, etc. was standing in the kitchen the other day in my boxers and wife commented that I looked bigger and leaner. weight down 2 lbs even though i ate like shit for a week. joints feel fine, not a hint of dryness, so I'm gonna stay at this dosage for a while. will report back when ralox hopefully starts doing its magic

[weekend]

i am feeling some noticeable but very tolerable joint sides after 20 days on 2.5 mg letro... if i wasn't looking for it i wouldn't notice.

[pman42]

absolutely no joint side effects so far but libido is down a bit. bodyweight down also despite keeping calories the same of increasing on most days. i'm hoping this is a recomp effect due to the decreased estrogen. I know it's not muscle loss because--

broke out the summer shirt today and it is tighter where it should be (shoulders, chest) and looser around the belly. this was the shirt i bought when i outgrew last year's shirts and is an XL. felt good to graduate to XL, will feel even better when I have to buy XXL.

[weekend]

after two nights of little sleep, the joint effects are now noticeable for me... 25ish days in, gyno has shrunk to 2/3 its size.

got about 35 days worth left probably will take it all as i dont expect this gyno to die fast.

[pman42]

weekend, is this your log or mine? jk, but i am curious as to whether you are doing ralox along with your letro or just the letro.

the libido decrease on 1.25 mg EOD is pretty noticeable, I wouldn't want to see what 2.5mg ED would do.

[USN HM 350Z]

so weird, maybe I just have super libido, but even when I was doing letro 2.5mg every other day I had no issues.

[weekend]

im on 120 ralox pharm grade now, wanted to run 120 for 10 days incase the old stuff was bunk, ill be going back to 60 a day for 3 more months starting in a few days.

i want to give the prami an honest shot but it seemed to make me INSANE and SLEEPLESS so bad ugh i hate it

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i am with my girlfriend 3-4 days a week with no issues, but urges when alone are seldom

[pman42]

^^ I have noticed similar effects. in fact it's not all bad, like sex is not on my mind all the time. it is actually sorta good.

it's too early to call ralox/letro a miracle cure for gyno but my early experience suggests a significant reduction. it used to bother me when my wife would touch my chest b/c i would feel the lumps (although not visible from the outside i can feel them) but over the last few days I just realized she has been leaning on my chest and i don't notice any discomfort. this stuff is really working. I may have to bump to up to 1.25mg letro ED jsut to ensure maximum results and b/c i;m not so sure where the next ralox will come from so i want to make the most of this run (Pharma grade hard to get shipped into canada, GP already said no to prescription)

[weekend]

where is your letro from?

[pman42]

I'm getting Draco-grade research stuff from an iron source

[weekend]

you mean dragon grade?

i'm using the same stuff

[pman42]

iron dragon, i thought it was research grade. you said you're taking pharma grade?

i find the worst part about the liquid stuff is trying to measure the damn stuff.

[weekend]

The worst part is that it takes at least 5 minutes to get the letro to mix. It sits at the bottom.

I'm using pharma ralox but iron letro

[pman42]

OK so I'm 2 weeks or so without raloxifene (still on letro) and it is getting more sensitive. maybe i'm paranoid but i swear it's bigger. definitely more sensitive. question for those more knowledgeable: why in the fuck is this happening? i thought the letro would at least keep it at bay, and the ralox would shrink it (and this was definitely the case when on the ralox). but why the slight worsening on just letro??

and other things worth trying? weekend mentioned prami, and i have been thinking that proviron is worth a "why the fuck not" try. any others? thanks

[weekend]

because iron dragon letro might be bunk or severely underdosed, or it might be prolactin


i literally scoured all forums possible for weeks on end every night... i concluded that prolactin is likely a bigger issue than estrogen in many guys... and that crushing estrogen does NOT always reduce the effect of prolactin on the tissue

[pman42]

my bloodwork for prolactin has shown progressively lower levels over the last 4 months, which I credit to coming off of trazodone as a sleep aid, and this was for levels that were not out of range to begin with. results did not show an exact value for estrogen, just that it was under 100 (forget the unit of measurement at the moment) thank you socialized canadian medicine but what can i complain, it's free. who knows, maybe there's more sensitivity at the tissue level to prolactin or estrogen because of the growth that's already occurred.

likely playing with my nipple for an hour a day obsessively checking it isn't helping my prolactin levels either, as in his gyno article eric mentioned that this can increase it

[weekend]

i've recently limited myself to touching (well, palpating?) them once every other day.. i think this decreases sensitivity, seems to help them shrink, and helps me forget about them.

[pman42]

when they first got bad touching a dumbbell to the chest as in a incline DB curl or DB chest press would cause pain, and laying on my stomach in bed would cause irritation. at least i'm not back to that level.

letro is legit. i did not get it from iron dragon, it is from a good UGL and other side effects from letro are there. i used to joke i had "masturbator's wrist" now i just have tendinitis from using this damn trackpad because my bluetooth mouse stopped working. but seriously sex drive is way low, it's eerie almost, and mild joint pain as well

[pman42]

well i figured out that i had a tiny bit of raloxifene left in the bottom of the bottle so i've been trying to get it out. i'll shake the bottle, spill some, and lick it off the counter. i feel like a cokehead, scraping around for the last little bits of powder. the upside is that pharma grade ralox is on the way, no more inaccurate dosing. but liquid ralox tastes surprisingly good, anyone else experience this?

[h2s]

well i figured out that i had a tiny bit of raloxifene left in the bottom of the bottle so i've been trying to get it out. i'll shake the bottle, spill some, and lick it off the counter. i feel like a cokehead, scraping around for the last little bits of powder. the upside is that pharma grade ralox is on the way, no more inaccurate dosing. but liquid ralox tastes surprisingly good, anyone else experience this?

Its not the ralox, it is whatever suspension agents they used.

[pman42]

finally got accurately measured raloxifene tablets. today was day 2 of taking them. looking forward to the results. i didn't get Pramipexole but i have seen studies on plain mucuna powder lowering prolactin, so i may play around with that.

still on letro, although i am considering reducing my dose as when i was on just letro, even at 1.25mg every day, there was no gyno reduction. i think i will do .625mg EOD for now, just to keep estrogen reasonably low but not ridiculously low.

there appear to be some mild fatloss effects from letrozole, or perhaps just lowered water retention, so I am concurrently running an insulin protocol of low carbs, and r-lipoic, gymnema, cinnamon, vanadium, etc. i have historically had high fasting glucose and i wish to change this through diet, training, and supplements

[markam]

i have historically had high fasting glucose and i wish to change this through diet, training, and supplements

L-Ribose is a great source of energy. Although it's a sugar, it actually is said to lower blood sugar. I use 6g with BCAAs as a intra. It's also in the 'All in one' preworkout. I just prefer to use it intra as it really keeps you going.

[pman42]

you're right about ribose. it appears to not raise blood glucose according to feedback, and according to Dr. Sinatra.

All In gives such a good workout that I've toyed with the idea of buying everything separately and then figuring out what works and in what doses, but that seems like so much work. would be more expensive, too. I mean, for less than the price of a gas station coffee you have a really, really solid preworkout with All In. if you want to literally double the cost to around $2, add in a tablespoon of PeptoPro. still unbeatable as far as value goes

I do have an appt with a surgeon about the gyno, but I really don't think I'll go that route especially since ralox is just eating up the tissue.

[markam]

Agree that 'All in one' has a good profile, but it's not available in the UK, and anyway, I've
Been using bulk L-Ribose off and on for quite a while now. In my diet, I avoid all starchy carbs and sugar, but if I feel the need for them, it will be shortly before bedtime as that makes it easier to not go on a carb binge. Buying everything separately is a pain and I tend to add to preworkouts, intras, etc as needed.