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campcoll88
04-24-2013, 12:14 AM
The molecular weight of 4-DHEA is listed at 288. From my limited scope of knowledge I believe this is small enough to be absorbed transdermally.

If I have some 4-AD capsules could I break them down and throw them in my bottle of Trenazone to help with lethargy?

burlyman30
04-24-2013, 12:19 AM
Theoretically, yes. However, it is hard to say how easily the powder dissolves in the trenazone carrier.

campcoll88
04-24-2013, 12:40 AM
I have a good deal of trenazone. I guess I'll test a small sample and see if they mix. Thanks Burly

nate3993
04-24-2013, 02:49 AM
let us know how it goes!

weekend
04-24-2013, 04:26 AM
Try to weigh the capsule to see how much the contents weighs and then compare to what's on the label..
Don't want to ruin your trenazone with a bunch of filler!

Fat Bill Dwyer
04-24-2013, 05:08 AM
With as efficiently as the TZ carrier dissolves skin it seems perfectly capable of handling a little 4-AD. OUCH!

Sperwer
04-24-2013, 05:14 AM
With as efficiently as the TZ carrier dissolves skin it seems perfectly capable of handling a little 4-AD. OUCH!

This! I made the mistake of putting it on my clavicles. It was worse than a phosphorous grenade burn.


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burlyman30
04-24-2013, 06:07 AM
This! I made the mistake of putting it on my clavicles. It was worse than a phosphorous grenade burn.


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Odd. I had no such problems. No doubt the burning is from the alcohol base, but unless the skin was raw from something else, I can't see why the effects were so pronounced.

Sperwer
04-24-2013, 06:13 AM
Odd. I had no such problems. No doubt the burning is from the alcohol base, but unless the skin was raw from something else, I can't see why the effects were so pronounced.

I don't know. The alcohol in testogel does not have the same effect. No pre-existing condition. It just burned the skin off in a couple of days. Took 2-3 weeks to heal, first week itched like hell and the scabs broke just from rubbing my t-shirt. Nasty weep too.


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burlyman30
04-24-2013, 06:16 AM
I don't know. The alcohol in testogel does not have the same effect. No pre-existing condition. It just burned the skin off in a couple of days. Took 2-3 weeks to heal, first week itched like hell and the scabs broke just from rubbing my t-shirt. Nasty weep too.


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Whoa! That's nuts! Wondering if the formula was changed in any way since I used it. Or maybe my skin is made of leather.

Bucks
04-24-2013, 12:52 PM
I was swimming in TZ with the doses I ran but I'm old and leathery ! LOL

I just had a little redness but no burn or scaling.

Jack O'Neill
04-24-2013, 01:04 PM
This! I made the mistake of putting it on my clavicles. It was worse than a phosphorous grenade burn.


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Are you injured ? Is your skin clean on clavicles?

Sperwer
04-24-2013, 01:37 PM
Are you injured ? Is your skin clean on clavicles?

Everything eventually cleared up, and it's all good now; no lasting damage, except to my Capt America rep. ,)


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campcoll88
04-24-2013, 07:45 PM
Try to weigh the capsule to see how much the contents weighs and then compare to what's on the label..
Don't want to ruin your trenazone with a bunch of filler!

There is def. filler present. Would I need to do some sort of alcohol extraction type thing then?

campcoll88
04-25-2013, 05:13 PM
Anybody got any tips as to how I might go about doing this?

xxiv
04-25-2013, 05:42 PM
I think it would be easiest to start with raw 4-dhea.

USN HM 350Z
04-25-2013, 06:04 PM
yeah, order the raws to avoid the fillers.

campcoll88
04-25-2013, 06:23 PM
I think it would be easiest to start with raw 4-dhea.

Yeah it would but I have a bottle already and was just thinking of an easy way to increase the bioavailability. If it's too much hassle I'll just munch em

O_RYAN_007
04-25-2013, 07:35 PM
Yeah it would but I have a bottle already and was just thinking of an easy way to increase the bioavailability. If it's too much hassle I'll just munch em

Take it with some sort of Primordial product with your stuff now. I know when I take AHV1 or any of the V2 or v3 products along side an oral, I felt things were really kicked up a notch!

nate3993
04-25-2013, 08:14 PM
Yeah it would but I have a bottle already and was just thinking of an easy way to increase the bioavailability. If it's too much hassle I'll just munch em

glass of grapefruit juice. that's gonna be your best bet

pitboss
04-26-2013, 12:48 AM
Odd. I had no such problems. No doubt the burning is from the alcohol base, but unless the skin was raw from something else, I can't see why the effects were so pronounced.

6 weeks of 1.5 ml on the clavs, not one issue. And I have sensitive skin becasue I'm a girly man .....

Jack O'Neill
04-26-2013, 02:44 AM
6 weeks of 1.5 ml on the clavs, not one issue. And I have sensitive skin becasue I'm a girly man .....

Will test it for the next weeks on neck and clavs

Right Hook
04-26-2013, 09:42 AM
glass of grapefruit juice. that's gonna be your best bet

That's a bad idea.

markam
04-26-2013, 11:22 AM
That's a bad idea.

^^^^^ And that's a bad post!

Right Hook
04-26-2013, 11:24 AM
^^^^^ And that's a bad post!

Why? We have gone over this a couple times here. It's silly to continue to ignore science.

markam
04-26-2013, 11:33 AM
Why? We have gone over this a couple times here. It's silly to continue to ignore science.

I was under the impression that your opinion was disagreed with by many, but whatever.

The post was bad because you didn't give any proof to back up your opinion.

Right Hook
04-26-2013, 12:04 PM
I was under the impression that your opinion was disagreed with by many, but whatever.

The post was bad because you didn't give any proof to back up your opinion.

I dont recall anyone even disputing it. The only valid argument was anecdotal "well I got gains", which may be true but I suspect its simply because naringenin isn't a complete inhibitor of conversion enzymes.

I think OP should stick to his original plan for the best results.

nate3993
04-26-2013, 12:12 PM
I dont recall anyone even disputing it. The only valid argument was anecdotal "well I got gains", which may be true but I suspect its simply because naringenin isn't a complete inhibitor of conversion enzymes.

I think OP should stick to his original plan for the best results.


Couple things. What made the androseries so well absorbed? Gfj. And there are many, many things in GFJ besides naringen that may be contributing to increased absorption. Andromass v3 had 4DHEA. That was the mass part of it.

GFJ works. I know you've said this before, but no matter what, the Androseries was backed up by just a lil bit of science.

Right Hook
04-26-2013, 12:17 PM
Couple things. What made the androseries so well absorbed? Gfj. And there are many, many things in GFJ besides naringen that may be contributing to increased absorption. Andromass v3 had 4DHEA. That was the mass part of it.

GFJ works. I know you've said this before, but no matter what, the Androseries was backed up by just a lil bit of science.

No it was not the gfj. It was the Esterfied hormone. Increasing bioavailability is useless if plasma and target tissue conversion enzymes are depleted. Which are necessary for anabolic action.

nate3993
04-26-2013, 12:19 PM
Haha. Bioavailability doesn't have much to do with it? So it's the ester huh? Well. Test has an ester. Maybe I should just drink a vial of T.

Right Hook
04-26-2013, 12:22 PM
Haha. Bioavailability doesn't have much to do with it? So it's the ester huh? Well. Test has an ester. Maybe I should just drink a vial of T.

I think you should pick up a pharmacology book.

You don't have to drink a vial of test. Just take andriol.

nate3993
04-26-2013, 04:44 PM
I think you should pick up a pharmacology book.

You don't have to drink a vial of test. Just take andriol.

sigh. imma just take the high road. i love you. MUAH!

SoCal-Nutrition
04-26-2013, 11:13 PM
realize there's probably several times as much filler in each cap than there is actual 4-DHEA...using powders from the caps isn't going to work well.