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Jelisej
06-14-2013, 07:04 PM
Interesting and informative article by Dr Lam.

Table of Contents

Adrenal Glands 101
Steroidal Hormone Synthesis Pathway
DHEA (Dehydro- epiandrosterone)
Cortisol
Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT)
Melatonin
Progesterone (and Estrogen Dominance)
Side Effects of Natural Progesterone
How to Apply Progesterone Cream
Estrogen
Link 1:
Adrenal Fatigue and Hormone Therapy - DrLam (http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue_and_hormone.asp?page=1)

Adrenal Fatigue versus Hypothyroidism and Low Thyroid Function Due to Adrenal Fatigue Link 2:
Adrenal Fatigue versus Hypothyroidism - DrLam (http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenalfatiguevshypothyroidism.asp)

Nice comparison and overview of symptoms, and also explanation how poor adrenal function affects thyroid

LBC-83
06-15-2013, 09:43 AM
Liking now, reading later, and bump.

milehighguy
06-15-2013, 10:09 AM
nice one jj...

but what is up with this statement: Testosterone replacement can have undesirable side effects, including frequent or persistent erections

my chick might not like this but otherwise...
:D

Bucks
06-15-2013, 11:10 AM
nice one jj...

but what is up with this statement: Testosterone replacement can have undesirable side effects, including frequent or persistent erections

my chick might not like this but otherwise...
:D

That's defiantly a bad side effect for someone who has had low T for years! LOL

Jelisej
06-15-2013, 03:56 PM
nice one jj...

but what is up with this statement: Testosterone replacement can have undesirable side effects, including frequent or persistent erections

my chick might not like this but otherwise...
:D

It can be very undesirable as it can cause hairy hands in some individuals.

burlyman30
06-16-2013, 01:30 AM
Nice article. Thanks, yet again, for the valuable resources.

milehighguy
06-16-2013, 07:56 AM
Nice article. Thanks, yet again, for the valuable resources.

x2

seems crazy that they used to give cortisol to bring the adrenals back around. i have to read it again but does it get into specifics on how people definitively determine they have adrenal fatigue?

burlyman30
06-16-2013, 04:29 PM
x2

seems crazy that they used to give cortisol to bring the adrenals back around. i have to read it again but does it get into specifics on how people definitively determine they have adrenal fatigue?

To my knowledge, they still do treat adrenal fatigue with cortisol. Often, it is in the form of prednisone.

Jelisej
06-16-2013, 04:30 PM
x2

seems crazy that they used to give cortisol to bring the adrenals back around. i have to read it again but does it get into specifics on how people definitively determine they have adrenal fatigue?

You have comparison up there- adrenal vs hypothyroidsm so you can check symptomse there, but when your adrenals are really underperforming- basically you feel bad- fatigue, sugar drops down all the time, fell shaky, brain fog, sleepy- especialy "mid day crisis", you even get feeling of euphoria sometimes; in the last stages you can barely move around, feeling completely weak and if not treated person may die.
Even if adrenal insufficiency is not so severe anyway- it will affect thyroid first and eventually testosterone will go down.
When it comes to hormones- adrenal insufficiency is worse than low thyroid output or low testosterone.
ACTH stimulation test will tell you how capable is your adrenal gland, and wheter problem is with adrenal glands capability of wheter problem is elsewhere (primary vs secondary), also to see what is actualy happaning in body you need to test actual hormones
Problem when testing adrenal hormones is that- aldosterone tests are inaccurate, patients are actually diagnosed as aldosterone defficient by symptoms, cortisol release is going by circadian rhytm which is different from person to person (depending on lifestyle) and you need to get 4Xtests (morning, afternoon, night...) to get picture- here salivary is good, urinary is also ok, blood tests are so-so
DHEA(s) tests seems to be reliable
and Progesterone tests are OK- so to confirm adrenal issues you would need 4X cortisol test and progesterone, and DHEA(s) optionaly and of course:
ACTH stimulation test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACTH_stimulation_test)

By the way pregnenolone is good in helping low-medium issues with adrenals, only thing is pregnenolone is quite volatile hormone and you never know where is going to end but generaly it does top up progesterone and if its going to top up cortisol, its always question

Personaly, when my adrenals were in really bad shape- pregnenolone gave me big lift, in other times I did not feel a thing from pregnenolone.