Alcohol Alternatives

[Grape Ape]

I haven't had a drop of alcohol in over a year now, and have no plans on drinking anytime soon. I have issues with alcohol, but do not have any addiction issues otherwise. Alcohol just effects me poorly. However, my social life has taken a huge hit because I don't go out much anymore. I really miss the nightlife and clubbing though. So any recommendations for an alcohol substitute?

I've tried phenibut and thoroughly enjoyed it. Felt like a mix between xanax and a few beers. Worked well in one or two small social settings, but not sure for more of a party scene.

Thought maybe I should add a stim for some energy with phenibuts disinhibiting and relaxing effects.anyone have any experience with Axon or another stim that might be slightly euphoric?

Kava Kava seems as it might be a bit of a replacement. Anyone with experience?

Anyway, you guys get the idea here, so lay down some ideas for a potential party stack.


PS: Keep in mind I'm a daily weed smoker with 3-4 month dry out periods throughout the year. Most things will probably be in conjunction with marijuana.

[xxiv]

I haven't had a drink in 10 months but I didn't drink all that much so it's really no biggie. I usually drink juice or a ginger ale if I go to an event so I don't look awkward.

[Grape Ape]

Let's just say I'm in my mis twenties and I miss chasing tail and having a night out with the boys. That said, I'm not looking for the "have a good time without drugs" speach. That isn't the point if this thread simple and plain.

[h2s]

Came to recommend weed. I was beat to the punch.

[longBallLima]

your social life took a hit because you don't drink?? get better friends is my suggestion...

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

You should do bathsalts. There's the added benefit of getting extra protein from munching on peeps faces.

[longBallLima]

You should do bathsalts. There's the added benefit of getting extra protein from munching on peeps faces.

gon' get the swole on

[Grape Ape]

your social life took a hit because you don't drink?? get better friends is my suggestion...

My friends are fine, but the social aspect of a Friday night, or weekend out has taken a hit. I personally, don't enjoy being the sober one with a bunch of drunk people, and the aspect of a dance club is a little less appealing when not socially lubricated. Shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp.

This isn't an addiction issue. I just personally dont like how alcohol effects me after more than a few drinks, so I abstain to not make a jack ass of myself. Any other drugs I tend to handle fine. Weed, mushrooms, Acid, etc. Though in the later few I partake rarely.

The rest of my social life is fine. Bonfires with friends, watching movies, shooting the shit, road trips etc. Just when going out and not getting shit faced, I tend to find the whole situation less than enjoyable, so.I usually decline. I'd like to find something to make me feel less out of place, and a little more relaxed in a part atmosphere. Not to get trashed or destroyed.

I have no problem abstaining from alcohol what so ever, and I'm sure my wallet would be happy about that.

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You should do bathsalts. There's the added benefit of getting extra protein from munching on peeps faces.
There's a reason we don't eat human. It doesn't taste good.

[xxiv]

Let's just say I'm in my mis twenties and I miss chasing tail and having a night out with the boys. That said, I'm not looking for the "have a good time without drugs" speach. That isn't the point if this thread simple and plain.

ah-hoo, you are looking to get intoxicated, I didn't realize. I thought you were just looking to be social.
You could drink 8 oz of DM cough syrup. That's what my friends and I used to do.

[Grape Ape]

Came to recommend weed. I was beat to the punch.
Yes, but weed can make me a little bit of an introvert so I usually leave it for unwinding before bed. It has treated me nicely on a dance floor in the past.

Saw your sister company "Celtic Labs" has a few possible products out there. Any comment on that?

[longBallLima]

My friends are fine, but the social aspect of a Friday night, or weekend out has taken a hit. I personally, don't enjoy being the sober one with a bunch of drunk people, and the aspect of a dance club is a little less appealing when not socially lubricated. Shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp.

This isn't an addiction issue. I just personally dont like how alcohol effects me after more than a few drinks, so I abstain to not make a jack ass of myself. Any other drugs I tend to handle fine. Weed, mushrooms, Acid, etc. Though in the later few I partake rarely.

The rest of my social life is fine. Bonfires with friends, watching movies, shooting the shit, road trips etc. Just when going out and not getting shit faced, I tend to find the whole situation less than enjoyable, so.I usually decline. I'd like to find something to make me feel less out of place, and a little more relaxed in a part atmosphere. Not to get trashed or destroyed.

I have no problem abstaining from alcohol what so ever, and I'm sure my wallet would be happy about that.

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There's a reason we don't eat human. It doesn't taste good.

lol you like drinking and dont get addicted, and you can have a few drinks just fine... well, have a few drinks lol i guess it is kind of a hard concept to grasp for me, but whatever, it's not what this is about.

i say do coke, makes you party hard! heroin just makes you kind of asleep. i say basics, coke, meth, maybe LSD if you're looking to get really weird...

and for human meat, i bet it tastes delicious when you're on bath salts. them bath salt zombies were hell bent on finishing their snack.

[Grape Ape]

ah-hoo, you are looking to get intoxicated, I didn't realize. I thought you were just looking to be social.
You could drink 8 oz of DM cough syrup. That's what my friends and I used to do.
Dissociatives with addition of an upset stomach isn't my cup of tea, but thank you for the input.

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

I don't drink more than one or two anymore and I know what you're saying about it sucking to hang out with a bunch of drunks when you're sober. I got around it by focusing more attention on social aspects and overcoming inhibitions without chemical aids. It sucks worse when you fail, but at least you don't have to worry about whiskey dick when you succede.

[Grape Ape]

lol you like drinking and dont get addicted, and you can have a few drinks just fine... well, have a few drinks lol i guess it is kind of a hard concept to grasp for me, but whatever, it's not what this is about.

i say do coke, makes you party hard! heroin just makes you kind of asleep. i say basics, coke, meth, maybe LSD if you're looking to get really weird...

and for human meat, i bet it tastes delicious when you're on bath salts. them bath salt zombies were hell bent on finishing their snack.
Well the problem is a few drinks turn into more as alcohol clouds my judgement. Therefore I just abstain.

I'm not looking for harder, more illegal drugs, and wouldn't know where to get them in the first place. Psychodelics are used about once a year.

[Grape Ape]

I don't drink more than one or two anymore and I know what you're saying about it sucking to hang out with a bunch of drunks when you're sober. I got around it by focusing more attention on social aspects and overcoming inhibitions without chemical aids. It sucks worse when you fail, but at least you don't have to worry about whiskey dick when you succede.
When its the local bar; no problem. I'll hang for a few hours, BS with the guys, hit on a chick or two and then jet out when that gets old.

This is more for when I get the invite to hit a club in Philly or Atlantic City and know its more of a night out.

I love getting dressed up, fresh hair cut and shave, expensive cologne etc, and pretending I'm the shit for the night.

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

Nitrus, just strap a cylinder on your back and bring some balloons.

*Solved*

[Cobalt]

Kava kava can work for some and not for others.

I can tell you from personal experience that it isn't like alcohol. Alcohol makes me an extrovert and puts me in a good mood. Kava kava just makes me calm down. Its a relaxed and feel-good calm, but not like alcohol.

The downside is that a lot of retailers don't carry it because you can really hurt your kidneys if you take in too much. I think the liver also gets stressed, but I'm not 100% sure about that.

Those who do carry it (usually online) will sell it in pill/capsule form tend to be like a lot of other supplement companies and use the minimum required and fill it with garbage. Those who sell quality really charge a good penny for it.

I have an organic store in town that sells raw kava root, so I can blend it up and make my own drink with it. It does work when done right, but tastes like SHIT and makes my mouth numb for a few minutes.

[testosteronet]

Have you tried Craze? If I were going to a club, this would be my choice. However, you won't ever see me at a club.

[longBallLima]

learn to do magic. everyone loves magic.

[nate3993]

what if u just sip a beer the whole time? but it sounds like ANY alcohol is out of the question. porn. the alternative to alcohol is porn ;)

[JM1000]

X with weed gets you going pretty good...

If you want that drunk effect and have a good source, ghb can feel like 10 beers hehe... no hangover

[markam]

what if u just sip a beer the whole time? but it sounds like ANY alcohol is out of the question. porn. the alternative to alcohol is porn ;)

I know you're not suggesting this while running a methyl, but the effect a little beer had on me (and it was only maybe half a regular bottle), was almost immediate sweating. Anyway, it's far easier not to use any drug (alcohol, weed, etc) than use a tiny amount, it'll just leave you frustrated.

I quite like the effect of some pre workouts as a substitute for alcohol. Geonomyx Origin contains 300mg Rhodiola Rosea and 200mg L-Theanine (the relaxing amino acid you get in tea), and also Di-caffeine Malate which is much smoother than regular caffeine. Pretty nice buzz, actually. Craze is too stimmed, unless you want that effect.

edit. Add two caps of SNS Huperzine A, and you will be GTG :)

[Grape Ape]

Some ideas on here.

Craze sounds wild with the whole amphetamine thing. Wonder if I can get samples first. Otherwise it sounds like a bit much. DMAA turned me off to a lot of stims.

Markam, I'll look into those.

[pman42]

i would recommend kratom. i went through a period of heavy use. the stuff is great. there are some other legal highs/relaxants but nothing as strong

[Grape Ape]

Yeah, I've thought about Kratom. Thought it was supposed to be more of an opiot high? Not too experienced in that area, and wonder if it would be fitting for my situation. It's on my list to try either way though.

What's your experience/results?

[O_RYAN_007]

Kratom??!!

[nate3993]

Kratom also has a high chance of addiction like phenibut so u have to use with caution.

[olddawg]

mushrooms man, organic, natural, vitamin d, and a good buzz

[nate3993]

mushrooms man, organic, natural, vitamin d, and a good buzz
sure as shit aint something for public occasions though. at least not for me

[olddawg]

sure as shit aint something for public occasions though. at least not for me

says who lmao, just don't take so much lol

[nate3993]

says who lmao, just don't take so much lol

to each his own. even a lil bit and i still get paranoid if im not at my place. i'll also usually fast for that day, and drink a shit ton of vitamin c. and man. 6 grams plus doing all of that puts u in another world.

[olddawg]

oooohh, I don't get paranoid lmao, I haven't done them in years but I was the guy making everyone else paranoid. I forgot about that lol. Speaking of that, I remember once taking 4 hits of blotter acid, about 45 min later me and 2 other buds didn't think it was working so we took 4 more :rolleyes:, I could tell you stories from that night for about 2 hours lol. Remember one time doing blotter and then watching the superbowl with my dad, I was about 16 maybe, just keep your composure, it's an art brah lol

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btw it was a great game lol

[Grape Ape]

An art no doubt, but a crowded bar or club would be overwhelming. My game would probably be off too. Especially with such large pupils.

I'm still thinking: phenibut, weed, and a stim.

Just not sure what stim. Would have to be euphoric.

Axon sounds good on paper with all the dopamine, serotonin reuptake, but I've yet to read a compelling review.

Craze might be too crazy.

Caffeine not strong enough.

Coke illegal, hard to find, addictive.

[USN HM 350Z]

what about just some ephedrine with some caffeine for the stim? add that to Phenibut and you might be onto something. I will experiment on myself and my wife (slip it to her in a drink) and let you know lol

[Grape Ape]

That is very kind of you.

25mg of ephedrine, and 200mg caffeine doesn't feel too much stronger than 200mg caffeine alone. Never bumped up the ephedrine content, but thought always thought 37.5mg would give me a more noticeable effect. It really is a thought, and might be my first move. I have both at my finger tips, and a bottle of phen on the way.

I'm also working on modifying an electronic cigarette to vaporize marijuana(made into a tincture). I haven't started the process, as I'm in one of my dry out periods. This should allow me to get high in public with no smell and complete stealth.

I'll def report on my upcoming experiments. Probably make it a side part of my bulking log I plan to start soon.

[JM1000]

1 tab of mdma! will get you going for the night...

[nate3993]

oooohh, I don't get paranoid lmao, I haven't done them in years but I was the guy making everyone else paranoid. I forgot about that lol. Speaking of that, I remember once taking 4 hits of blotter acid, about 45 min later me and 2 other buds didn't think it was working so we took 4 more :rolleyes:, I could tell you stories from that night for about 2 hours lol. Remember one time doing blotter and then watching the superbowl with my dad, I was about 16 maybe, just keep your composure, it's an art brah lol

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btw it was a great game lol



god do i have stories too. first time i did shrooms i was in a corn field. shit was nutsssss. i saw buddha! i swear to god i saw the outline of buddha. the corn was mocing all strange. good times:cool:

[O_RYAN_007]

says who lmao, just don't take so much lol

Thats the problem, I always take too much! I always think about Fear and Loathing in LV, where Benicio DelToro says, he took too much, he took took much MANNNN!

[pman42]

The only other opiates I have experience with are pharmaceutical so I can't compare it to anything recreational (although I did extract codeine from a prescription product to obtain a recreational effect). I used kratom daily in fairly large doses for a fairly long period of time. i ordered so much from one supplier that he would send me random free shipments of product and t-shirts, etc. i was going through some really bad times and it kinda numbed the pain, very effectively too. like i said i used large doses for a while, and while tolerance did develop i never got any kind of physical withdrawal. in fact i used kratom once when i was withdrawing from heavy alcohol abuse and it eased the symptoms significantly. i found i was able to stop using kratom completely, overnight, and while psychologically i did crave the high physically it was not uncomfortable in the slightest. apparently in some countries they use kratom when they can't get H, personally i don't see why anyone would ever need to use an opiate when this is so much cleaner, i mean who wants to feel like you're dying if you can't get your drug of choice?

in terms of anxiety reduction i'd rate it up there with ativan or clonazepam. in terms of recreational potential it easily meets or exceeds alcohol although the effects are very different, for me kratom would be more like a 'sit around and just chill' kinda vibe instead of a bar or club type vibe. but that's just me and i'm not a big club goer anyway, so your results may vary


Yeah, I've thought about Kratom. Thought it was supposed to be more of an opiot high? Not too experienced in that area, and wonder if it would be fitting for my situation. It's on my list to try either way though.

What's your experience/results?

[testosteronet]

Did you have a favorite strain or extract of kratom?

[BoneDaddy]

Celtic Labs has a Kratom product, and it's the UEI extract, not regular Kratom leaf. Kratom intrigues me. I also see guys talking about allopregnanolone a lot as well.

[Bucks]

I have to take 4-5 tabs to feel anything from the Celtic Labs version.

[Grape Ape]

Yes, I've seen both those. Hense why I asked HTS.

I did read however, that the Kratom was week from Celtic labs.

The allo, I read others liking, but prior to that only saw it in mcg's in a few colognes containing pheromones. Otherwise I have no clue about it.

HTS, hook me up with some samples homie!

[Cdsnuts]

If kratom is what you seek, where you get it makes all the difference. It's great stuff. Just don't use it everyday. Different strains illicit different effects. So if you want the club or bar vibe, taking a strain with higher end alkaloids will get you where you want to go. Then of course if you want to just sit around and chill, there are strains for that as well. I have kilo's of the stuff. Can't believe it's still legal actually. It's been on the DEA watch list for quite some time.

Speciosa Pro (http://www.speciosapro.com)

Kratom, Kava, Ethnobotanicals - EntheoFarm.com
(http://www.entheofarm.com)

Two of my favorite vendors.

If you can, stay away from the extracts. They jack tolerance and can create some nasty sides if used irresponsibly. Plain leaf is the way to go.

Mods: My apologies if we are not allowed to source.

[Cdsnuts]

Celtic Labs has a Kratom product, and it's the UEI extract, not regular Kratom leaf. Kratom intrigues me. I also see guys talking about allopregnanolone a lot as well.

Tell me more about this allopreg??

[BoneDaddy]

Tell me more about this allopreg??

Allo binds to the GABA A receptors, the same 1 that valium, xanax and barbiturates bind to. Apparently it's a great pain killer and makes you feel better than valium. Apparently PA is tinkering with a nasal spray with it.

[Cdsnuts]

Allo binds to the GABA A receptors, the same 1 that valium, xanax and barbiturates bind to. Apparently it's a great pain killer and makes you feel better than valium. Apparently PA is tinkering with a nasal spray with it.

I'm familiar with the hormone and it's actions, as it's one of the target hormones that is disrupted with propecia use. I meant more of where can I get it, who makes it, etc. I didn't realize they had this out yet......

[Bucks]

Celtic Labs has it on PHF as a nasal spray. I can feel it with about 5 sprays each nostril.

I use it to calm down when I'm stressed out.

[weekend]

i'd say go for GHB, but look out as dosing is more compounded and the "i want more effect" may be there if you're like that with alcohol.


as for shrooms... OD is right, if you take like half a gram you can get a social buzz going on without getting too psychedelic

[BoneDaddy]

Tell me more about this allopreg??

My bad, I took it literally....

Celtic Labs Celtic Dreams (20 ml) - Discount Celtic Dreams Supplements! (http://phfsupplements.com/celtic-dreams-20-ml.html)

[h2s]

Yes, I've seen both those. Hense why I asked HTS.

I did read however, that the Kratom was week from Celtic labs.

The allo, I read others liking, but prior to that only saw it in mcg's in a few colognes containing pheromones. Otherwise I have no clue about it.

HTS, hook me up with some samples homie!

Ill send you my last pouch as long ad I get home and I didn't open it. Pm me your address. Also, you mentioned asking me a question. If it is one I missed, remind me what it was and ill answer.

[Grape Ape]

Alright awesome. Dont feel The need to go out of your way.

Question was just on the Celtic products. Think It's all been covered.

[O_RYAN_007]

so what brand does h2s recommend?

[5 alpha victim]

I know this is a old thread but does anyone have any more input/experience with this alloprog product?