Mechabol / Dienazone Cycle

[Jack O'Neill]

This is my 2nd run for this year and I'd like to recomp this time.
I will progressively increase amount of carbs for the next weeks according to a diet plan I will describe below. Now, I'm about 800-1000kCal under maintenance with carbs only on days ON (My maintenance is about 2400kCal)

Concerning the cycle :

For Mechabol I planned in a 1st idea to take 100mg/week (4 caps) but I will test with an upped dosage progressively. If I don't feel good, I will decrease dosage)

Cycle
Mechabol 125/150/150/150/150/150mg (I will describe when I take each cap in the future posts)
Katanadrol v3 4/4/4/4/4/4 caps
Androhard v3 3/3/4/4/4/4 caps
Cycle protect (started 2 weeks ago)
Cissus
Glucosamine
Anastrozole 0.25mg E3D (Is it really required for that cycle???)

Thanks to Rob from Socal for the good prices and the very quick shipping accross the Atlantic :-)

PCT
Torem 120/120/90/90/90/90/90 for the first week then 90/60/30 for the 3 last weeks
Exemestane 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5mg
Cissus
iForce Intimidate
Anastrozole 0.25mg E3D
Testojack 200 (Test booster, works really well for me)

Concerning workouts :

I will train 4 days per week according the following schema. No real cardio sessions planned because I practice Karate 2/3 times a week and it's really like a cardio session for 1.5h

Monday - ON - Day 1 PM
Tuesday - OFF - Karate PM
Wednesday - ON - Day 2 PM
Thursday - OFF - Resting day :-)
Friday - ON - Day 1 PM
Saturday - OFF - Karate AM
Sunday - ON - Day 2 PM (sometimes Karate AM)


Exercices planned are as following :

Day 1 / Exercices and reps
BENCH PRESS12/10/8/6/10-12
FLY12/12/12/12
INCLINE PRESS12/12/12/12
BARBELL PRESS12/10/8/6/10-12
SIDE RAISE12/12/12/12
UPRIGHT ROW12/12/12/12
LYING TRICEPS EXTENSION12/10/8/6/10-12
TRICEPS PUSHDOWN12/12/12/12
CRUNCHES 4x Failure

Day 2 / Exercices and reps
CHIN UP5x Failure
CABLE ROW12/10/8/6/10-12
STIFF LEGGED DEADLIFT 12/12/12/12
STRAIGHT ARM PULLDOWN12/12/12/12
EZ BARBELL CURL12/10/8/6/10-12
SEATED INCLINE DUMBBELL CURL12/12/12/12
REVERSE BARBELL CURL12/12/12/12
WRIST CURL12/12/12/12
LEG RAISE 4x Failure

I won't train legs 'cause I noticed that I have trouble moving when I do karate with legs training. My legs are so tiring after a leg session ! I'm too old :-)
So, please don't say that I want to train only for the beach (this is nearly winter here and the 1st available beach is very far from my location :-) ). This really is another reason, and this is the first time I will only train my upper body.

I will however do deadlifts 'cause I like this exercice (stiff legged)

I will update this log each week with diet plan, results of the workouts and a following of my stats. I am extremely picky and perfectionist.

Well, concerning my stats today :

Weight : 89kg / 195.8lbs
Waist : 84.5cm / 33'3
BF : around 12.5% (calculated via the YMCA method + 1% to be the nearest of the reality)
BP : 120/75 (I have a BP monitor and I check my BP each morning)

Concerning my diet plan :

As I said above I will progressively increase the amount of carbs for the next weeks.

For the weeks 1 and 2, here is an example of my diet :

DAY ON
Intermittent Fasting 21h/3h
10g BCAA 10 minutes before workout
4:30PM - Workout
6PM - Shake Post Workout
Whey 20g / Peptopro 30g
Maltodextrine 40g
Skim milk 30cl
Leucine
7PM
Chicken 400g
Brown Rice 100g
Peas 140g
Olive Oil
1 whole egg
8PM
Cottage cheese 450g
Coconut powder 35g

Prots : 200g - 2,5g/kg - 1,14g/lbs
Carbs : 195g - 2.5g/kg - 1.1g/lbs
Fat : 75g - 1g/kg - 0,4g/lbs
TOTAL 2270kCal

DAY OFF
Intermittent Fasting 21h/3h
6PM - 1st meal
Chicken 300g
Salad
7PM
Green peas 200g
Beef steaks 5% fat 300g
Olive Oil
Carrots 300g
3 whole eggs
8PM
Cottage cheese 450g
Coconut powder 15g

Prots : 190g - 2,5g/kg - 1,14g/lbs
Carbs : 80g - 1g/kg - 0,45g/lbs
Fat : 85g - 1,1g/kg - 0,5g/lbs
TOTAL 1860kCal

About 295kCal under maintenance for this diet.
Of course, lots of fish oil and Omega-3. About 10 caps of 1g.

As you can see, I follow an IF plan with an about 21h fast, and I follow it since 2 months....successfully :-)

My plan for my future diets will evolve in function of the cycle results and I won't increase carbs amount if I gain fat.

I will however increase prots amount up to 1.4g/lbs from the 2nd or 3rd week. When I do this I'm forced to modify my IF diet from 21h fast to 16h fast. Too much food in a so little timeframe :)

This is just a plan. If I feel good with the actual diet with good perfs and stats, I will keep it. Nothing is set in stone. I will correct in function

I will give my feelings about strength, side effects and positive effects on each post.

Picture of August 2013 (before cutting) / 98kg / 216lbs

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Pictures of the beginning of this cycle :

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I start the cycle on Monday !

EDIT (Cycle update)

Mechabol 150/150/150/150/150/150/150/150mg
Katanadrol v3 4/4/4 caps (stopped 'cause non compliant with a lean bulk cycle. Will use it in a future cutting cycle)
Androhard v3 3/3/4/9 caps (stopped 'cause protstate enlargement troubles)
Stano 0/0/0/0/1000/1200/1200/1200/1200/1200/1200
Dienazone 0/0/0/0/2/2.5/2.5/2.5/2.5/2.5/2.5/2.5ml
Cycle protect (started 2 weeks ago)
Nettle root (prostate support)
Cissus
Glucosamine
Anastrozole 0.25mg E3D from the 5th week

[Jack O'Neill]

May someone help me ?

Is Anastrozole required for Mechabol and Katanadrol?
Same question for exemestane for PCT ?

I used them when I take Trenazone+Nanodrol

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 1/42

Started today !

Let's rock ! :D

[vince]

Subd . Good luck
I got great results from katanadrol. Hope the same goes for you


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[Sperwer]

In

[Jack O'Neill]

This morning :
- 3 caps Androhard
- 2 caps Katanadrol
- 2 caps Mechabol

12PM
- 2 caps Katanadrol
- 2 caps Mechabol

7PM
- 1 cap Mechabol

[Jack O'Neill]

Subd . Good luck
I got great results from katanadrol. Hope the same goes for you


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Thx Vince

What were your results with Katanadrol?
Which dosage, diet and duration?

[vince]

Thx Vince

What were your results with Katanadrol?
Which dosage, diet and duration?

I had a fairly decent strength increase. My bench went up a solid 20lbs. Squat went up about 40. Deadlift I dropped down in weight and went for reps.

I got a lot more lean even though I only lost about 3 lbs

My diet wasn't too strict, I slacked off a bit.

I took 4/4/4/5/5


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[Jack O'Neill]

20lbs in bench and leaner. Great results!

[vince]

20lbs in bench and leaner. Great results!

Yeah, I loved it
The only negative sides that may have been caused by katanadrol was dry scalp, very small increase in acne, slight pain in left shoulder.

The shoulder pain was a result of a large increase in weight in a very short period of time. I was also doing a bit of bar workouts(variations of pull ups/muscle ups)

The acne and dry scalp could have been anything so I can't directly link it back to katana


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[Bucks]

Day 1/42

Started today !

Let's rock ! :D



Kick it Jack! I think your going to like the Mecha 7-10 days in!

[Jack O'Neill]

Kick it Jack! I think your going to like the Mecha 7-10 days in!

Thanks Bucks, I hope so!

[milehighguy]

May someone help me ?

Is Anastrozole required for Mechabol and Katanadrol?
Same question for exemestane for PCT ?

Are you using both in PCT? If yes that seems excessive to me. Why two AI's?

Not sure about using while on those compounds. No experience with either.

[Jack O'Neill]

Are you using both in PCT? If yes that seems excessive to me. Why two AI's?

Not sure about using while on those compounds. No experience with either.

It was an advice from BBG with Trenazone

[milehighguy]

Never used trenazone myself so he is probably a better reference then me! Just seemed like a lot.

[Jack O'Neill]

I will seriously check through the web if I can find infos on these AI

[Bucks]

Are you using both in PCT? If yes that seems excessive to me. Why two AI's?

Not sure about using while on those compounds. No experience with either.


I don't think you need an AI on the Mechabol stack your running. I was fine running it with TZ and Ment without an AI . You can use one as part of your PCT to protect against rebound.

[Jack O'Neill]

Anastrozole is able to control gyno

[Jack O'Neill]

I took 5 caps of Mechabol and 4 caps of Katanadrol yesterday. Took 2 of each this morning.

Nothing to declare for the moment as far as the side effects are concerned.

High energy yesterday in the home gym but nothing linked to PHs, or maybe just placebo effect

[Bucks]

Good dosage , lots of water and by week 3-4 you may need some taurine . And you will feel it!

[Jack O'Neill]

Good dosage , lots of water and by week 3-4 you may need some taurine . And you will feel it!

Taurine is ready. I planned to take it from week 3 with 3-5g/day.

However I don't drink enough water during the day. Just 2l. I must force myself to drink more

[Jack O'Neill]

A little update from the 2nd day. I was a bit irritable yesterday night and I did have some mild headaches during the day.

It never comes usually, so I can really think that it comes from the Mecha/Katana doses.

[Jack O'Neill]

Pictures added to the 1st post

[weekend]

i think you should hit your legs hard man. squats n deads.

[Jack O'Neill]

i think you should hit your legs hard man. squats n deads.

I do deadlift but not squats. Too hard to practice karate when I do squats.

I need to be explosive and when my legs are dead after a full leg session, that's not possible

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 8/42

I finished my first week and for the moment, I can't say something really interesting.
No side effects excepted few mild headaches one day in the week (not necessary linked to the cycle).
No changes about strength during workouts.

Here are my stats this morning :
Weight : 89.4kg / 196.7lbs (+0.9lbs)
Waist : 84cm / 33'1 (-0'2)

This is the good news :D I increased a bit my weight in decreasing a bit my waist in the same time. Recomp is really what I wanted !

I think that carbs amount is good for the moment and I won't up it.
Concerning carbs :
I eat them only aound the workout : 40g of malto in my PWO shake and 85g in my 125g of Basmati rice
Prots were around 2.6g/kg - 1.2g/lbs
Fats were around 1g/kg - 0.5g/lbs

Here is the evolution graph, as usual in my logs :cool:

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For this second week, I will only up prots amount from 2.6g/kg - 1.2g/lbs up to 3g/kg - 1.4g/lbs
No changes with carbs and fat.

Concerning workouts, I didn't feel something special in the 4 last sessions :

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Weight increase were linear, as usual.

Concerning products, I upped MEchabol dosage from 125mg to 150mg from yesterday up to the end of the cycle.
Katanadrol and Androhard will stay at 4caps/3caps respectively-

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SUMMARY :

Good week but mechabol kick is not still there. I hope the second week will be interesting !

[Jack O'Neill]

I take for the moment about 3g/kg - 1.3g/lbs of body weight of protein.

I know I should increase up to 4g/kg - 1.8g/lbs with PHs.

Do you think It's possible to recomp with this new amount?
I would be between +500 and +800kCal above my maintenance. Carbs are always limited to 1.4g/1.6g/lbs on ON days and 0.4g/lbs on OFF days

I'm so afraid to gain fat and today I feel good and cut is working very well. However I don't want to spoil PHs I take.

[Jack O'Neill]

No answer? Everybody is in holiday here :-)

Another question, I do IF during 20h/4h and I take 2x2 caps of Mechabol without eating anything (just 3g of fish oil in the same time).

It's maybe not optimized?

[Scope75]

No one can really answer those questions for you because everyone responds differently to things, so pretty much you just need to try out different things.
Trial and error is the only way to figure this out.

[Bucks]

For me I keep the protein high and carb cycle if I want to recomp. One thing to remember Jack is you may swell up with water from the Mecha and if your eating clean it won't be fat. Some people don't get water retention but I did and it felt great on the joints. Also makes the muscles look better but just don't look at the tummy. LOL

BTW Jack I love your charts , it shows dedication and focus. I would think you should start feeling an increase in strength or endurance any day now from the Mecha.

[Jack O'Neill]

For me I keep the protein high and carb cycle if I want to recomp. One thing to remember Jack is you may swell up with water from the Mecha and if your eating clean it won't be fat. Some people don't get water retention but I did and it felt great on the joints. Also makes the muscles look better but just don't look at the tummy. LOL

BTW Jack I love your charts , it shows dedication and focus. I would think you should start feeling an increase in strength or endurance any day now from the Mecha.

Thx a lot for your support Bucks.

As Scope75 said, I will try to see what happens.

Next week, I will increase prots up to 1.6g/lbs, about 3.5g/kg. I will decrease my fast time from 20h to 16h. So I will able to take Mecha with my 1st meal at lunch

[Scope75]

Don't think you really need to take your supps with food but I'd for sures take them with some fats.
To test out your higher cals bump them up for 2 weeks and see where your at and who knows maybe more is better than less or you might find you can up the cals more while not gaining any unwanted fat.
I know when I ran AM earlier this year I was able to cycle carbs and eat my face off without any spill over until I just went crazy overboard.

[Jack O'Neill]

Don't think you really need to take your supps with food but I'd for sures take them with some fats.
To test out your higher cals bump them up for 2 weeks and see where your at and who knows maybe more is better than less or you might find you can up the cals more while not gaining any unwanted fat.
I know when I ran AM earlier this year I was able to cycle carbs and eat my face off without any spill over until I just went crazy overboard.

I'm too hungry these last days. It's maybe Mecha.
So I will be forced to eat more sooner than planned. So today, off day, and I will up my prots amount up to 275g, with 2300kCal in 4 hours ;)

[Scope75]

Oh if your hungry feed the beast with in then.
Also the more mass you gain the easier it'll be to cut the fat natty if you happen to add a little fat, and need to cut after pct.

[Jack O'Neill]

Oh if your hungry feed the beast with in then.
Also the more mass you gain the easier it'll be to cut the fat natty if you happen to add a little fat, and need to cut after pct.

Agree with you ^^^

I increased prot amount from today and carb cycle as the protocol CBL SA (you know it Scope75)

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 15/42

The second week is over, and here are my stats this morning :

Stats today/(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 89.2kg / 196.2lbs (- 0.3kg / -0.6lbs)/(+0.2kg / +0.4lbs)
Waist : 83.7cm / 33' (-0.3cm / -0'1)/(-0.8cm / -0'3)
Estimated BF% : 11.7% (-0.5%)/(-0.7%)

Feelings
Negative sides : a bit of lethargy and few few mild headhaches, less libido
Positive sides : nothing exceptionnal to report

I'm always in Intermittent fasting, about 20/4 with about 2700kCal on ON days (+270kCal of maintenance level), and 2280kCal on OFF days (-130kCal of maintenance level)

Workouts were great but nothing special. Progression was linear as usual and even if you can see great increase for one or two exercices, it's due to new exercices in my sets and I wasn't set in the beginning of the cycle.
For the moment, I didn't feel Mechabol effect such as kick in term of strength and endurance. Will see this 3rd week .....

Graph evolution
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Workouts evolution
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For this 3rd week, I planned to keep same amount of Prots/Fat/Carbs. I increased Androhard up to 4 caps/day to counter lethargy.
This aftternoon, Chest, triceps and shoulders workout.

[Jack O'Neill]

17th day and no effects. Strange....

No more lethargy since I increased AHv3 up to 4 caps

[Jack O'Neill]

Good workout this afternoon!
I worked back and biceps. Very good feeling! Easy with all weights (even if heavier than previous week)

Strength is coming! Endurance was good but not exceptionnal.

As far as my body is concerned I'm really leaner on my top during workout. I can see veins and muscles I didn't see before :-)

I hope that next workouts will be at least like this one!

[Jack O'Neill]

Now 2700kCal to eat between 6PM and 8.30PM :-)
It's a real pleasure with IF+PH

[Scope75]

I'm looking forward to my next cycle just so I can eat 3500+ cals a day and not have any spill over.
BP coffee and IF is my favorite way to do things right now.

[Jack O'Neill]

I'm too hungry and too lethargic...

Will modify my diet on sunday with 3000kcal on ON days, 2500kCal on OFF days with a 16/8 fasting.

For lethargy no solutions :-(

[Scope75]

That sucks.
Your first signs of being on are just sides.

[Jack O'Neill]

That sucks.
Your first signs of being on are just sides.

Yes indeed. At least it's a sign that stack is working. Good or bad, but working

[Scope75]

Yes indeed. At least it's a sign that stack is working. Good or bad, but working

That's one way to look at it but damn I'd rather not have sides to be proof that it working.

Would be better and funner if you felt alpha, increased sex drive, and more go in the gym.

[Jack O'Neill]

I agree with you.

I just finished my workout today and it was great! Great energy at the gym and good perfs!

Very strange and paradoxal when I think at how I felt today.

[Bucks]

I defiantly didn't have any lethargy with the Mechabol but I was also running 9 AM 6 AH pretty high as well. That could have made the difference. Great energy during workouts and the euphoric feeling was addictive. And I wanted to fuck everything in site.

Jack has your emotional feelings changed at all?

[Scope75]

I defiantly didn't have any lethargy with the Mechabol but I was also running 9 AM 6 AH pretty high as well. That could have made the difference. Great energy during workouts and the euphoric feeling was addictive. And I wanted to fuck everything in site.

Jack has your emotional feelings changed at all?
Now that's how you want to feel on a cycle.

[Bucks]

Yep like your the king of the world ! But I guess it works different for different people.

[Scope75]

From the reading I've done mechabol sounds like a damn good PH without a bunch if sides, so I wonder what's causing macs sides because the kanta/ah shouldnt be responsible for them either.

[Bucks]

I think it's just different people. I blew up really fast then dropped the water after I went off mecha but continued on with TZ for another 4 weeks. I had the hungry side like Jack but that's about it.

[markam]

I'd guess it's the Katanadrol v3 causing the problem. Apparently it's 6a-Chloro-androst-4-en-17b-ol-3-one, which is Hexadrone???


They have put caffeine into each serving to create with a diuretic effect and there's also some other herbs with a diuretic effect in the blend.
Def not what I would want to take with Mechabol!

Drop it immediately.

Edit"......... Katanadrol isn't Hexadrone, I think it may be 1-Andro, not sure, anyway, can't be bothered researching a product that uses caffeine with a prohormones, DS, etc.

[Jack O'Neill]

I'd guess it's the Katanadrol v3 causing the problem. Apparently it's 6a-Chloro-androst-4-en-17b-ol-3-one, which is Hexadrone???


They have put caffeine into each serving to create with a diuretic effect and there's also some other herbs with a diuretic effect in the blend.
Def not what I would want to take with Mechabol!

Drop it immediately.

Yes it seems that v3 is very different from v2 and maybe less potent.

I will stop Katanadrol tomorrow. I confirm the diuretic effect. Even if I stop to drink from 6PM, I wake up @ 2AM to piss. It sucks....
Thanks everybody for your feedback.

I will maybe add some oxo11 to replace katanadrol

[Jack O'Neill]

Or maybe something else to stack with mecha. Something which starts quickly 'cause it remains 3 weeks in my cycle. I could increase the cycle time with the other product but I don't know what I can take.

I keep katanadrol for a next cycle when I cut before summer.

For this cycle, I keep the same diet. Clean carbs only around training. Prot+fat otherwise with 1.8g/lbs of prots

[Jack O'Neill]

Week 4-week 7/8?
- Epistane
- oxo11
- stanodrol
- other?

Which dosage ?

Any advice? Thx

[markam]

I wouldn't run 11-oxo as the effects aren't that significant unless you run it at a high dose, which is expensive and causes lethargy.
How about Trenazone? That should be a great stack. Something like AH would be good to run with Mechabol, Trenazone. Not sure how good forerunner labs copy of AH is, but maybe worth checking out as a substitute for AH. You don't want to run another methyl (Epi) for obvious reasons. Dermacrine would also be good in this stack, IMO.

[Bucks]

Yes it seems that v3 is very different from v2 and maybe less potent.

I will stop Katanadrol tomorrow. I confirm the diuretic effect. Even if I stop to drink from 6PM, I wake up @ 2AM to piss. It sucks....
Thanks everybody for your feedback.

I will maybe add some oxo11 to replace katanadrol


This ^^^^would help explain why you seem to be staying so dry. Mecha and TZ is very good if you have any TZ left from your last run. I'm not sure how much AH you have left but you could run Stano with it to help stretch it out longer if you are in short supply.


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[Jack O'Neill]

I must have Trenazone (or Dienazone) in stock - 1,5 or 2 bottles.

I could do 1.5/2/2/2 or 2/2/2/2 if I can on the 4 next weeks. It's maybe too short??? I can add another bottle
For AHv3, it remains 84 caps, for 4 caps/day for the 3 last weeks.

I could buy some stano, but which dosage ? 400, 600, 900mg/day ?

[Jack O'Neill]

Maybe add one bottle of dienazone.

So I could continue my cycle like that :
Week 1-6 : Mechabol 150mg
Week 4-8 : Dienazone 2ml
Week 4-8 : stano 900mg
Week 4-8 : AHv3 2 caps

No increase with carbs, just around training.
Concerning prots, I take now 1.8g/lbs, 4g/kg and my weight/waist already increased a bit this morning. I should maybe decrease to 1.6g/lbs, around 3.5g/kg

I'm really afraid of fat and I want to be as lean as today in adding some lean mass.

[Jack O'Neill]

Is it safe to keep mechabol longer than 6 weeks?

[Bucks]

Maybe add one bottle of dienazone.

So I could continue my cycle like that :
Week 1-6 : Mechabol 150mg
Week 4-8 : Dienazone 2ml
Week 4-8 : stano 900mg
Week 4-8 : AHv3 2 caps

No increase with carbs, just around training.
Concerning prots, I take now 1.8g/lbs, 4g/kg and my weight/waist already increased a bit this morning. I should maybe decrease to 1.6g/lbs, around 3.5g/kg

I'm really afraid of fat and I want to be as lean as today in adding some lean mass.


That stack looks fine Jack. I think you will see some water retention which may look like fat but it will go away as soon as your dropping the Mecha. At least that has been my experience. I dropped about 3 Lbs the week I stopped Mecha and continued with the remainder of the cycle.

For the calorie intake I think you need to decide what you want at the end of the run. More strength or staying lean.



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[Jack O'Neill]

That stack looks fine Jack. I think you will see some water retention which may look like fat but it will go away as soon as your dropping the Mecha. At least that has been my experience. I dropped about 3 Lbs the week I stopped Mecha and continued with the remainder of the cycle.

For the calorie intake I think you need to decide what you want at the end of the run. More strength or staying lean.

Thx for the smart feedback Bucks, as usual.

I will try like this when I have stano/dienazone in stock. In 3-4 days I think.
I saw few Mechabol reviews in 8 weeks cycle with 150mg like me. If I feel good, I will increase mecha longtime up to 8 weeks and Dienazone from week 4-5 up to week 8-9 maybe 10.

Is 10 weeks too long for this kind of cycle ?

PCT wil be composed of Torem on 5 weeks 120/90/60/30/30 and Exemestane @12,5mg/day

[Bucks]

Thx for the smart feedback Bucks, as usual.

I will try like this when I have stano/dienazone in stock. In 3-4 days I think.
I saw few Mechabol reviews in 8 weeks cycle with 150mg like me. If I feel good, I will increase mecha longtime up to 8 weeks and Dienazone from week 4-5 up to week 8-9 maybe 10.

Is 10 weeks too long for this kind of cycle ?

PCT wil be composed of Torem on 5 weeks 120/90/60/30/30 and Exemestane @12,5mg/day


I have run Mecha 7 wks with no problems with supports and continued with TZ and Ment for another 4 wks. My bloods came back good.

Just listen to your body and the sides at 8 weeks and make a decision at that point. You seemed to react well to TZ on your last run with pretty high doses.

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 21/70

Okay, so I decided to stop Katanadrol (according your smart advices) which seems to be an odd option to mechabol and decided to extend my cycle in using Trenazone/Dienazone.

I will finish my Androhard bottle this week with 9 caps/day to fight lethargy and then, I will take Stanodrol in 800 or 1000mg/day for 6 weeks.

I successfully used Trenazone in my last run so I think it's a good option to extend my actual cycle with it. I reached 2ml last time with no side effects at all, just a very slight increase of BP. I will start with 2ml. In case of side effects I have AI anastrozole on my hand.

If I feel good, and as I have the required stock, I will take Mechabol up to 8 weeks. I will hear my body....


Here is now a summary of my last week (the 3rd).

I stopped Katanadrol (thanks a lot Markam, as usual ;-) ) and lethargy has quickly disappeared !
I immediately gained about 3lbs (obviously there is water retention according to Bucks). Waist and weight upped a bit this morning.

My main objective is to gain lean mass without fat. I will follow my stats every day.

My diet is always extra clean and I upped prot amount to 1.8g/lbs - 4g/kg of body weight since few days.

Here are sample day meals for ON and OFF days :

ON day
Lunch 1PM :
Bacon 100g
Chicken 350g
2 whole eggs
Salad with sauce
about 1000kCal

Pre-workout :
Whey 20g
Leucine
Peri-Workout :
Whey 20g
Malto 20g
Post Workout :
Whey 50g
Malto 40g
Skim milk 50cl
about 750kCal

7PM :
Basmati rice 125g
Chicken 300g
about 880kCal

8PM :
Cottage cheese 0% fat 450g
Coconut powder 20g
about 370kCal

Total : 3000kCal - P:320g/C:245g/F:80g


OFF day
Lunch 1PM :
Bacon 100g
Chicken 350g
2 whole eggs
Salad with sauce
about 1000kCal

Collation :
Chicken 320g
Salad
about 400kCal

7PM :
Chicken 400g
3 whole eggs
Olive oil 5cl
Carrots 300g
about 850kCal

8PM :
Cottage cheese 0% fat 450g
about 370kCal

Total : 2500kCal - P:315g/C:85g/F:100g

All is very clean and this is really different from my last run where I eat much much more bad carbs :-)
I hope this new diet will allow me to gain lean mass !

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 90.5kg / 199.1lbs (+1.3kg / +2.9lbs)/(+1.5kg / +3.3lbs)
Waist : 84.4cm / 33'3 (+0.7cm / +0'3)/(-0.1cm / -0'0)
Estimated BF% : 14% (+0.3%)/(-0.4%)

As you can see, I modified the BF% calculation to reflect reality. I'm closer than 14% BF today than the previous 11.5% :-)

Graph evolution

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[Scope75]

What is coconut powder??

[Jack O'Neill]

What is coconut powder??

Bad english word use I think :)

It's just a blendered coconut. Just like whey but with coconut instead of milk peotein

[Scope75]

Oh so like coconut flour or MCT powder?

If its MCT powder it'll be cut with maltodextrin so if your not wanting carbs in that last meal make sure and check the label to see what you have.

[Jack O'Neill]

Oh so like coconut flour or MCT powder?

If its MCT powder it'll be cut with maltodextrin so if your not wanting carbs in that last meal make sure and check the label to see what you have.

Just pure coconut flour. No carbs at all.
During my ULC day, I try to limit as few as possible carbs (just from vegetables or chicken, or a bit from cottage cheese)

[Jack O'Neill]

I wake up each night to piss. Katanadrol is however stopped. Btw no more lethargy thanks to this stop (or it is the AHv3 in 9 caps :D)

I will try to stop cottage cheese before bed. 450g is a bit too much I think. Cottage cheese with no fat is rather liquid and I believe it's like a big glass of water before bed. Not too good..... And it gives about 20g of carbs. Good in a ON day, but less good in a OFF day. I will keep it for the ON days with 200g (will try for the night).

So tonight, no cottage cheese and I will replace the protein from cheese by ..... chicken. It's a lot of chicken in one day but it's necessary to reach 1.8g/lbs ! I try to cook it in different ways.

Do you know a good website to learn chicken recipes ?

[Scope75]

From what I've read there really isn't any reason to eat more that 1.3g/lbs protein, even on cycle.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[Jack O'Neill]

From what I've read there really isn't any reason to eat more that 1.3g/lbs protein, even on cycle.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.

It would be interesting to have references about that.

Do you have links?

This is about 3g/kg so, for me, I should remove 90g of prots every day. This means 360kCal.

Interested to create a new post here about this hot point.

[Scope75]

No links but I've read/heard it from listening to a shit load of podcast and reading up on nutrition. 1.3-1.5/lbs is suppose to be the sweet spot and more than that is a waste. Not saying to drop your amount just throwing that info out there.

[Jack O'Neill]

No links but I've read/heard it from listening to a shit load of podcast and reading up on nutrition. 1.3-1.5/lbs is suppose to be the sweet spot and more than that is a waste. Not saying to drop your amount just throwing that info out there.

I found a post here on SwoleSource about protein intake. Even in looking into other forums, difficult to know the reality ?

I think it's people dependent one more time and we just must try.

[Jack O'Neill]

Didn't start Trenazone yet. I will start on next monday.

My feelings this morning :
I'm a bit leaner even if my waist didn't changed. And my weight upped a bit.

I'm now close to 3100kCal on ON days. 4g/kg for prots and 3.4g/kg for carbs.
80g of fat.

Diet is ultra clean and it works!

2450kcal on OFF days (maintenance level) with as low as possible for carbs.

No more lethargy but I really need lots of rest, good sleep with all the trainings and karate. Mecha certainly helps to do that.

Trenazone stacked with Mechabol will be amazing! I hope so

[Jack O'Neill]

No Dienazone in mailpost yesterday. I hope I will start on monday.

I planned to run Mecha on 8 weeks and start Dienazone from week 5 to week 11 @3ml. I already run Trenazone @3ml and I liked it. I will follow my BP every day. I used to up a bit BP under Trenazone

Feelings today:
I feel good. Didn't gain fat at all, I'm sure and my weight upped. Certainly water due to Mecha without diuretic effects of Katanadrol

[Jack O'Neill]

Dienazone and Stanodrol in my post office this morning :)

I can start on monday.

Let's rock it! :D

[Scope75]

Dienazone and Stanodrol in my post office this morning :)

I can start on monday.

Let's rock it! :D

Start that shit today!!!

[Jack O'Neill]

Start that shit today!!!

Ah Ah...it's exactly what I thought.

And I started today :D
3ml on chest, shoulders and biceps. It seems to be the same than Trenazone excepted the smell which is different. Not better but.... different :)

[Scope75]

3ml
That's a strong dose to start out at no??

[Jack O'Neill]

3ml
That's a strong dose to start out at no??

^^^agree. I did too quickly, I wanted to put 2ml :/

[Jack O'Neill]

I hope it's not too dangerous? Dose is not excessive and I reached it last run without side effects.
Will see....

[Scope75]

One day won't kill you.

[Jack O'Neill]

A kind of front load.

Back to 2ml tomorrow for one week before upping if all is fine

[Jack O'Neill]

I wake up up to 3x/night. It sucks! And my wife is going to kill me soon....

I believe it's due to Androhard. I had the same problem when I run it with Andromass or Trenazone for my last run. Prostate is currently growing but size is decreasing when I stop AH

Do you think Stano will give the same effects? My bottle of AH is nearly empty and I will start to take Stano in 800mg on monday. But I can start today

Your opinion about it?

[Jack O'Neill]

I will try with no caps of AH or Stano today. will see this night.
Then I will add progressively Stano up to 800mg as planned if I'm fine at night.

so this morning, 150mg of mecha as usual and 2ml (4×0.5ml) of Dienazone. Dienazone is a bit hotter on the skin than Trenazone. I feel it's a bit hot where I put Dienazone.

I put it on chest, shoulders, neck and biceps.

This morning, 130/80 for my BP. nearly usual. My BP monitor is a wrist monitor and it doesn't give the same result each time. I ordered a new one (large band) for my arm. It will be more precise. I hope so.

Training yesterday night was fun but not amazing. I don't feel any changes in term of strength.
But this can be linked to my diet. Many proteins et few carbs only around workout (150-200g max).
Prots for muscle size, carbs for strength....

[Bucks]

I wake up up to 3x/night. It sucks! And my wife is going to kill me soon....

I believe it's due to Androhard. I had the same problem when I run it with Andromass or Trenazone for my last run. Prostate is currently growing but size is decreasing when I stop AH

Do you think Stano will give the same effects? My bottle of AH is nearly empty and I will start to take Stano in 800mg on monday. But I can start today

Your opinion about it?


My opinion is you will feel less harding effects going over to Stano. That's what I have noticed running a AH to Stano change mid cycle similar to what your doing. I have never had any Prostate issues with the Androseries either.


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[Jack O'Neill]

My opinion is you will feel less harding effects going over to Stano. That's what I have noticed running a AH to Stano change mid cycle similar to what your doing. I have never had any Prostate issues with the Androseries either.

Frankly I don't feel anything with Androhard. It's the 2nd day without it and I feel nothing different. No less harding effects.
No lethargy today.

I'w waiting for Prostate support, as adviced, and I will start Stano slowly in dosage

[Jack O'Neill]

1st workout after 3 days under Dienazone @2ml (and Mecha 140mg but as usual)

1st feeling : I sweat much more !!!

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 28/77

4th week over !

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 90kg / 199.1lbs (-0.5kg / -0.9lbs)/(+1kg / +2.2lbs)
Waist : 84cm / 33'1 (-0.4cm / -0'2)/(-0.5cm / -0'2)
Estimated BF% : 13.8% (-0.2%)/(-0.6%)
BP : 125/85 (Correct, no changes)
BPM (Rest) : 52 (no changes)

Recomp is on the way. Strength is not upping as expected but weight is upping a bit and fat is decreasing a bit too.
That's good for the moment. I hope I will continue like that.

I decided, if you followed my post, to start Dienazone on friday and I will take it for 7 weeks if I feel good.
Mecha is on the 4th week and I'll keep it until the 8th week if all is good too. I take now Anastrozole E3D since I take Dienazone....in case of....

I stopped Androhard on saturday 'cause of prostate issues ! I woke up up to 3x/night and my wife was going to kill me if I continue like that !

I know that Androhard causes these troubles to my body (I have experience about it).
Following good advices, I decided to take prostate supplements (once I received them) to see what it happens. Once my night is complete without interruption, I will take Stano from 400 up to 800/1000mg depending of my feelings.

As I said, strenght is not upping a lot, just normally but I sweat more than usual since I take Dienazone.
Concerning Dienazone, I take 2ml for the moment. 1ml on chest, 1 ml on biceps and shoulders.

By experience, I know that PHs don't give me a lot of extra strength. I'm maybe PH resistant ???
Usually I gain a lot of weight (with too much fat too) with a PH cycle.

This cycle is different 'cause I'm not eating a lot of carbs, and the only carbs I take are ultra clean.

1.8g/lbs of prots is maybe too much, and 1.5g/lbs of carbs (only around training) is maybe not enough ??? I don't really know.

Whatever, no changes are planned with diet for this 5th week.

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Workout / Stats evolution

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[markam]

Frankly I don't feel anything with Androhard. It's the 2nd day without it and I feel nothing different. No less harding effects.
No lethargy today.

I'w waiting for Prostate support, as adviced, and I will start Stano slowly in dosage

Def feel something @ 9 caps AH ed:)

I take Saw palmetto year round and up the dose if on cycle. No getting up in the night to pee issues for me.

[Bucks]

Def feel something @ 9 caps AH ed:)

I take Saw palmetto year round and up the dose if on cycle. No getting up in the night to pee issues for me.

Running a cycle With adding 9 AH ED I would be fucking the knot hole in the fence to stay sane ! Dry.

[Jack O'Neill]

A day with or without Androhard @ 9 caps is the same for me.

Very strange :-(

I don't take AH or Stano since 4 days and nothing changed in my feelings or in my body. I don't understand

[Jack O'Neill]

Lethargy came back today after 4 days without AH.
However I started a supplement for prostate support today and I will start Stano soon.

I have a little pain in my left pectoral. I wonder if this is not the beginning of a gyno? I heard someone say that he thought to have injured his chest and a week later gyno appeared.

I will follow more closely this little annoying pain.

I take Anastrozole E3D @ 0.25mg since monday.

[markam]

Androhard (Stanodrol) can be very effective at mitigating E2 sides, and I would gradually taper down the dosage but not stop it dead as that may well lead to a oestrogen rebound effect. If I was you, I'd keep the AH or Stanadrol as consistent as possible. As you're on Stanodrol I'd advise 800-1000 ed. Just make sure to taper it down slowly.

[Jack O'Neill]

Androhard (Stanodrol) can be very effective at mitigating E2 sides, and I would gradually taper down the dosage but not stop it dead as that may well lead to a oestrogen rebound effect. If I was you, I'd keep the AH or Stanadrol as consistent as possible. As you're on Stanodrol I'd advise 800-1000 ed. Just make sure to taper it down slowly.

Of course Markam you're right as usual !

I miss that :(

I take 800mg of stano now and for the next days.

800 or 1000mg is equal to 9 caps of AH?

[markam]

I may be wrong, but I think 9 caps AH is the equivalent of 1800mgs Stano. As AH has a slow release delivery (for want of a better description), it's pretty epic,, but I don't think 1800mgs Stano would be something I'd like to try:).

[BBG]

I may be wrong, but I think 9 caps AH is the equivalent of 1800mgs Stano. As AH has a slow release delivery (for want of a better description), it's pretty epic,, but I don't think 1800mgs Stano would be something I'd like to try:).

I would love to use 1.8 grams of stano per day! haha

[weekend]

full dose (6pills) androhard v3 made my joints hurt, added androbulk promptly lol

i was dry as a mufucka but couldn't even bench cause of wrist pain.

[burlyman30]

I would love to use 1.8 grams of stano per day! haha

Done it. Lol. I think I went up to 2 grams a day with AH1.

[Jack O'Neill]

I started with 800mg and will up to 1000mg today

[markam]

I'd rec 6gms fish oil ed and Cissus. I use either SNS or Usplabs, depending on deals. I stopped taking Glucosamine, etc, and didn't
notice any difference. Good quality Cissus with a extract strength similar to Usplabs works really well.
Antaeus Achilles is a great product, but I had to supplement with extra Cissus, so it gets pricey.

Re AH joint pain; I've had this before at anything over 4 AH, but I seem to handle AH @9 caps fine, now. Maybe it's since I started using Cissus year round? Who knows.

[Jack O'Neill]

I take more than 6g of fish oil, cissus and glucosamine.

No problems of dry joints for the moment. I suffered from this during my last run but not for the moment.

1000mg of Stano today, 150mg of mecha and 2ml of Dienazone.

My left nipple pain almost went away. I'm sure it was not an injury from workout or karate but a beginning of gyno. I hope than Anastrozole+Stano will help.

I had planned to run Dienazone up to 3ml quickly but I will keep 2ml dosage during few weeks fore upping

[Jack O'Neill]

Could a moderator modify this main post title to :
'Mechabol / Dienazone cycle'

Thx

[burlyman30]

Could a moderator modify this main post title to :
'Mechabol / Dienazone cycle'

Thx

Done

[Jack O'Neill]

Done

Thanks a lot Burly

[Jack O'Neill]

My weight is upping a lot this week, since I started Dienazone.
This morning, 92kg/202.4lbs and 85cm/33'5.

I think Dienazone makes me bloat. Maybe too much..... I don't change anything in my diet but I feel that my BF is upping and I don't like that.
I will see all this week but if this up is going on, I will be forced to decrease my ratios (prots are in the 1.8g/lbs - 4g/kg range). It's maybe too much ?

Fats are low and carbs are only around training (as low as possible on OFF days)

Strength and endurance are upping a bit however.

[Jack O'Neill]

This morning, no changes as far as weight or waist are concerned.

I read on different other boards that Trenazone (or Dienazone) makes bloated for the 2 first weeks of the cycle and then, recomp is starting for the following weeks. I will see. My experience with Trenazone can't help me 'cause my diet wasn't good enough last year and I took too much fat but I was bloated all the time.

[burlyman30]

I never experienced bloat on TZ. Quite the opposite-- I shed excess water on it.

[Jack O'Neill]

I never experienced bloat on TZ. Quite the opposite-- I shed excess water on it.

Maybe too much prots in my diet for my body. I will try do decrease to 1.6g/lbs - 3.5g/kg this week to check my BF.

[Jack O'Neill]

I never experienced bloat on TZ. Quite the opposite-- I shed excess water on it.

When you took Tren, which were your ratios ? For prots?

[burlyman30]

When you took Tren, which were your ratios ? For prots?

I eat a lot of protein... primal diet, mostly, so meat and veggies with occasional carb splurge. I couldn't tell you the ratios accurately, but if I had to guess, I'd say 40+% protein 40% fat 20-%carbs.

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 35/84

5th week over !

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 91kg / 200.2lbs (+1kg / +2.2lbs)/(+2kg / +4.4lbs)
Waist : 84cm / 33'1 (no changes)/(-0.5cm / -0'2)
Estimated BF% : 13.5% (-0.3%)/(-0.9%)
BP : 140/75 (Upped)
BPM (Rest) : 52 (no changes)

Weight is increasing and decreasing a bit each day in function of ON or OFF days (logical way 'cause I eat carbs or not. It seems that carbs makes me bloating a bit the day after but nothing alarming).
Finally, no fat gained this week but lean mass is up ! It's certain. Mirror is my best friend for this feeling ! I don't know if a pic will give me the best of me (will take pics at the end of the cycle) but it's great to see me in the mirror each morning, or during workout :-)

Thanks to prostate support, I feel better on night and I don't wake up each night. Cool thing !

I downed a bit prot amount from 4g/kg - 1.8g/lbs to 3.5g/kg - 1.6g/lbs and I feel good.

Nothing to say about strength but it may be due to the kind of training. I try to fatigue my muscle with pyramidals training with very few rests between sets (about 45"). I will see the real increase of my strength when I lift in full 3x10 reps with 2mn of rest. For the moment, this kind of training seems to be ok for me and even if I can't see a real increase of my strength, my muscles are becoming fuller !!! and this is the first aim of this cycle (my waist doesn't change). Recomp is the best ! :-)

For the next week, I will up Stanodrol from 1000 to 1200mg (and I will stop increase there to keep this amount up to the end of my cycle). Dienazone @2ml (I will up to 2.5ml this week and up to the end of the cycle. My last run didn't show any differences between 2.5 and 3ml) and 150mg of mecha as usual (3 weeks to go).

My BP is upped this week with Dienazone (I expected this 'cause I saw this with my last run of Trenazone). I thought that my Cycle Assist supplements were good enough for that but it seems that it's not the case. I immediately ordered 2 bottles of Talos which help me a lot for my BP.

Excepted of slight increase of my BP, I don't feel any other side effects. Lethargy is low thanks to Stano and no sign of gyno with Anastrozole E3D.

Graph evolution

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Workout / Stats evolution

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[Jack O'Neill]

Chest, Shoulders and triceps workout yesterday !
It seemed to be easier than usual..... Will see with next workout on wednesday if perfs increase.

[Jack O'Neill]

A good workout today. Dienazone starts to kick!
But I'm very tired. I really need a lot of rest. I sleep about 7h and I think it's not enough. I can even sleep during the day if I have qome free time

[Jack O'Neill]

Very bad nights since few days. I don't know why. No stress at the office, no stress at home.... ??

Maybe prostate supplements ? It's the only supps I added since few days. I will try to stop these from today to see if I feel better during the night.

I just read that taking PH late in the day could do sleep troubles. I take 2 caps of Mecha @7PM every day. I will try to take them @4PM now. It could be a solution instead of stopping prostate support supplements

[Jack O'Neill]

Better night in taking Mecha before 6PM. I will take it now @4PM

[Jack O'Neill]

I start to grow :-) but I'm as lean as the 1st day. Maybe leaner, waist is finally not a very good ref

This is strange because I take Mecha for 6 weeks and Dienazone for 2 weeks and I feel results from Dienazone. Sure. But not Mecha :(

I will maybe stop Mecha soon and continue only with Dienazone solo. I like Dienazone :-) But no results from Mecha. I'm a bit disappointed. I believe my strength would increase a lot with it.

Next time I will test another PH to stack with Dien. Maybe Triumphalis or Epi or Halo....

Stano makes me hard as a rock. It's sure and I like it. What it's annoying me is that this feeling is disappear once you stop Stano. No more hardness

[weekend]

I would try taking the mecha earlier in the day. Dose once when you wake up and once more at lunch and that's it.

You'll probably need like 100 mg to get really solid results from it. Not sure how much you're taking.


Didn't you run a cycle pretty recently? How often are you running cycles?

[Jack O'Neill]

I run one or 2 cycles/year since 2 years.

Since yesterday I take 75mg at wake up and 75mg at lunch

[Bucks]

I start to grow :-) but I'm as lean as the 1st day. Maybe leaner, waist is finally not a very good ref

This is strange because I take Mecha for 6 weeks and Dienazone for 2 weeks and I feel results from Dienazone. Sure. But not Mecha :(

I will maybe stop Mecha soon and continue only with Dienazone solo. I like Dienazone :-) But no results from Mecha. I'm a bit disappointed. I believe my strength would increase a lot with it.

Next time I will test another PH to stack with Dien. Maybe Triumphalis or Epi or Halo....

Stano makes me hard as a rock. It's sure and I like it. What it's annoying me is that this feeling is disappear once you stop Stano. No more hardness


I don't think you were a responder to Mecha. You ran the correct doseage to get results but it just didn't seem like it worked for you. I added size pretty quick with the same dose.

Keep kickin it with the DZ.


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[Jack O'Neill]

I don't think you were a responder to Mecha. You ran the correct doseage to get results but it just didn't seem like it worked for you. I added size pretty quick with the same dose.

Keep kickin it with the DZ.


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Agree with you Bucks. This was my last dosage today. I stop tomorrow and I continue with Dienazone solo. It was pretty the same last year with Nanodrol+Trenazone. Strange

By the way, I have 1 full bottle of Mecha and one opened (27 caps) in stock. If someone is interested??? I will post in the correct part of the forum

Pics of the end of the 6th week tomorrow :-)

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 42/84

6th week over !

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 92kg / 202.4lbs (+1kg / +2.2lbs)/(+3kg / +6.6bs)
Waist : 84cm / 33'1 (no changes)/(-0.5cm / -0'2)
Estimated BF% : 13.3% (-0.2%)/(-1.1%)
BP : 130/75
BPM (Rest) : 52 (no changes)

So I decided to stop Mechabol because I didn't feel any differences these 6 last weeks. I'm certainly not a responder to Mecha. If you're interested by the remaining bottles, I sell them in the sell products post.

I increased Dienazone to 3ml to find my best spot for this product alone. I always put it on neck, shoulders, chest and biceps. No skin troubles.

Concerning my stats, I'm really happy with the results, especially since I started Dienazone. For this product I'm certainly a full responder to Dienazone :-) My weight increased without any changes with my waist. Really what I expected from a recomp cycle. It's the 1st time I found and followed a strict diet for a cycle and this seems to be fine.

Strength is a bit up but nothing exceptional.

Pics are not really a friend to me 'cause what I see on them is a bit different of what I see in the mirror.... :-) But I decided however to post a pic of this morning to see the difference between the start and the middle of my cycle (see below)

Concerning side effects, nothing to say. BP is correct since I take Talos (very good product btw).

Diet is not really changed even if I upped a bit carbs on my ON days. Macros are as follow :

ON days :
280/280/80 (P/C/F) for a total of 3000kCal
OFF days :
275/55/125 (P/C/F) for a total of 2400kCal

No cardio but 2 karate sessions as usual. Hard to train hard and prepare my black belt in the same time :rolleyes:

No changes planned with my diet for this next week.

Graph evolution :

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Just started Deadlifts this previous week (and I restart from 217lbs 'cause I used to do 3x10/rest 2' and I do 12/10/8/6 with 45" of rest, and this is really different in terms of perfs).
Concerning training, I'm always motivated but 4 workouts/week is very tiring with this kind of training (high muscular fatigue) and I need a lot of rest. My sleep must be good and long if possible

Pics evolution :

See next post :rolleyes:

[Jack O'Neill]

For a best view, I put the start pic and the middle cycle pic in the same post :

963
This morning

962
At start

[Jack O'Neill]

I have the possibility (free I'm lucky) to add Epi to that cycle for the 6 last weeks to gain some strength.

Do you think it's a good idea? Mechabol was not a full success!

Dosage would be :
10/20/30/40/40/40/40 the 1st week
40mg ED for the 2 following weeks
40mg or maybe 50mg for the 3 following weeks

There is maybe no interest and is maybe risky?

What's your opinion?

[Jack O'Neill]

Bump

[burlyman30]

I would try it and see what happens.

Also wanted to say your progress pic looks good. Much leaner in the midsection. Nice going.

[weekend]

For a best view, I put the start pic and the middle cycle pic in the same post :

963
This morning

962
At start


nice gains dude. looking way better here.


hit shoulder day hard, if you can blow up your delts your physique will transform.

i would add the epi and see how it is.

next cycle look into real AAS, you've run so many methyls it seems lol

[burlyman30]

next cycle look into real AAS, you've run so many methyls it seems lol

Parabolan originally came from France...

[xxiv]

wow, great progress.

[Jack O'Neill]

Thanks All for your comments. It motivates me to continue.

Will try Epi and see jow it treats me in the following weeks.

Concerning AAS, yes, I'd like to start but injection is something difficult to hide to his wife :-) And there is the pbm of illegal stuff !
Maybe ....

@Weekend, my shoulders are really a my weakest point. I tried 100reps in one set but unsuccessfully

- - - Updated - - -


Parabolan originally came from France...

This is not a reason ;-)

[Jack O'Neill]

you've run so many methyls it seems lol

I actually tested Nanodrol last year and Mechabol this month :) But no effects at all. No positive or negative sides.

I like however Dienazone which works very well for me !

[Jack O'Neill]

1st day with Epistane. Took 10mg at lunch. Will increase dosage with 10mg each day until I reach 40mg.

I will keep 40mg until the end of the next week.

Will see how Epi treats me stacked with Dienazone.

For your info, I lost about 2lbs in 1 week since I stopped Mechabol. Certainly water retention. My waist didn't change.

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 49/91

7th week over !

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 92.5kg / 203.5lbs (+0.5kg / +1.1lbs)/(+3.5kg / +7.7lbs)
Waist : 84.5cm / 33'3 (+0'2)/(0 / 0)
Estimated BF% : 13.6% (+0.3%)/(-0.8%)
BP : 130/70
BPM (Rest) : 52 (no changes)

I started Epistane on Saturday @10mg, on Sunday @20mg. Will take 30mg at lunch today.
I planned to increase up to 40mg from tomorrow until the end of the week and decide if I increase to 50mg or not (in function of the week result)

No side effects for the moment. Just some few headaches (slight) after taking Epistane but nothing else. No strength increase (of course, I just started :-) ).

As far as all the week is concerned, I gained un a bit of fat but I don't really know if this is only this week. My waist is evolving between 33'1 and 33'5 each day. Difficult to know wich is the correct stat. My waist is shorter after an OFF day, larger after an ON day, essentially due to yesterday afternoon carbs.

I increased a bit carbs on ON days this week 'cause I'm very hungry all the time. I'm now close to 3100kCal with 3.9g/kg (1.8g/lbs) of carbs. Prots and fats didn't change.

If I do a mathematical calculation, I'm about 400kCal above my maintenance level each day (this is of course an average 'cause I eat more on ON days than on OFF days)

Graph evolution :

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Workout / Stats evolution :

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[Jack O'Neill]

6th day with Epi. 3 days @40mg. Nothing to report excepted the fact that I'm more and more hungry!

I upped my caloric total on ON days and especially on OFF days

Here's what that looks like.

ON day :
P:311g
C:330g
F:80g
Total 3300kCal

Carbs are always clean. Never eaten cheat meal or forbidden foods

OFF day:
P:330g
C:69g
F:150g
Total 2950kCal

Carbs only come from chicken, few tomatoes and Cottage cheese.

This afternoon Chest, Shoulders and Tri workout. Will see if Epi already kicks me.

As far as my stats are concerned, no changes. My waist is between 33'1 and 33'5 depending of the day and my weight is between 201.5lbs and 204.5lbs

[Jack O'Neill]

3600kCal today. Very big up in clean carbs, but I was so hungry after workout !

No increase of the strength yet.

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 56/91

8th week over ! :)

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 93.5kg / 205.7lbs (+1kg / +2.2bs)/(+4.5kg / +9.9lbs)
Waist : 85cm / 33'5 (+0.5 / +0'2)/(+0.5 / +0'2)
Estimated BF% : 13.8% (+0.2%)/(-0.6%)
BP : 130/80
BPM (Rest) : 52 (no changes)

1st week with Epistane @40mg. No side effects excepted headaches saturday during a long karate session. Not really easy to concentrate and fight with it :-( but it's gone at the end of the day and nothing yesterday.

Dienazone+Epistane dries normally all joints. I take Glucosamine and Cissus supplements since the start of this cycle. It starts to be a bit painful at the elbows but very very slightly. No pain on the other joints.

As I said in my last posts, I added caloric total during ON and OFF days up to about 3000kCal (OFF days) and up to 3600kCal (ON days). I was so hungry. I think Epistane increases hunger.

Results of this caloric increase : weight increase :-) Fat increases too but very slightly. My reference is my belt holes. I used to use the 3rd hole in my belt and I always use this hole. Good thing ! During my last cycle, fat had increased too much and I had to change my trousers. It was impossible to wear few trousers due to this fat increase. Today, I can wear ALL my trousers ! and I weight 205lbs :-)

I will continue like that this week without dosage changes.

So Dienazone @3ml and Epistane @40mg. I will maybe increase Epi to 50mg next week to see how I react, or Dienazone @3.5ml. I will see

For the moment, all seems to be under control. My diet is always ULTRA clean even if I eat a lot of carbs on ON days (all carbs are around training, and only in the evening; from 6PM). During my OFF day, no carbs at all (just carbs from vegetables and meats).
However it starts to be difficult to eat as much as food after training (I just eat about 1000kCal at lunch only, and 2600kCal after training), and I skip as usual my breakfast. If I must increase my caloric total one more time, I will be forced to eat more food at lunch, or pre-training (3PM)

Graph evolution :

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Workout / Stats evolution :

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[Jack O'Neill]

Error in my Epi dosage yesterday :( I took 5 caps instead of 4, so 50mg instead of 40mg.

Nothing to report for the moment. I will continue with dosage @50mg today and for the following days. No increase planned at all however ....

If I feel any troublesome effects I will decrease dosage @40mg

[Bucks]

Interested to see how the joints react the next 2 weeks. Keep it up Jack.

[Jack O'Neill]

Interested to see how the joints react the next 2 weeks.

Yes me too. For the moment, even with gluco+cissus, my elbows are a bit painful but it's very bearable.

Last time I used Trenazone I just took gluco and cissus at the end of the cycle but it was too late. My elbows were very painful especially left elbow. But no pain on other joints

[Jack O'Neill]

Keep it up Jack.

Thanks Bucks, I keep the pressure! :-)

[Bucks]

My elbows are the first dry joint to hurt when I jack up Androhard but it only lasts about 10 days.

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 63/91

9th week over ! :)

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 94kg / 206.8lbs (+0.5kg / +1.1bs)/(+5kg / +119lbs)
Waist : 85.5cm / 33'7 (+0.5 / +0'2)/(+1 / +0'4)
Estimated BF% : 14.1% (+0.3%)/(-0.5%)
BP : 135/80
BPM (Rest) : 60 (increased since few weeks actually)

Epistane @50mg
Dienazone @3ml

Side effects :
BP is a bit higher now from the start but it doesn't change since several weeks. I took Hawthorn Berry 2 weeks before my cycle and 3g/day since the start of the cycle. It's known that Hawthorn Berry give a boost to BP the 2 first weeks and after, it allows BP to calm down. I felt that.
My joint started to hurt 2 weeks ago but it's not too painfull and pain is not increasing. Pain especially in my elbows.
Epi+Dien are known to dry joints.

I start to feel some strength improvements. Yes :-) And for all muscles especially my back et my shoulders but other muscles feel good and all exercises feel nearly easy actually. My training is based on the muscle fatigue with few rest between sets, so it's difficult to see the strength evolution but I'm certain it's more and more easy and I add weight each week, sometimes 2x/week.

I don't know if it is Epi or Dienazone ? But it works now.

Concerning my diet, I always keep carbs after the training, and always clean carbs. But I highly increased carbs amount this week and now, I think it was a bit too much :-) My weight ups quickly, and my waist too. I will try to limit my carbs like the previous weeks but I have great hunger since I started Epi.

It will be time to cut a bit after my PCT to remove fat excess. I planned to add 12.5mg of ostarine for my 5 weeks of PCT to try to keep as much as strength and muscle.

For my PCT, I will keep the amount of carbs and fat but decrease proteins from 1.8g/lbs - 4g/kg to 1.2g/lbs - 2.6g/kg

Graph evolution :

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Workout / Stats evolution :

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As you can see, I replaced Lying Triceps Extension by a Close Grip Bench Press because I didn't feel this exercise. So stats are reset.

[Jack O'Neill]

Tried to use Dienazone @3,5ml. After 2 days, my BP increased highly and I had the feeling to feel my heart beats in all my veins. Strange feeling, especially in my neck and behind my wrists.

I decreased dosage to 2.5ml today. It seems to be better.

Another test. To follow CBL protocol I took 400mg of caffeine in my pre-workout shake and another round of 400mg in my post-workout shake. Seem to be good to replenish glycogen in muscles. Result : impossible to sleep before 5AM :( karate @10AM. Not easy :(

It was not a good day yesterday even if the chest/shoulders training was great. Strength is upping slowly but certainly

[studog]

If I had 800mg of caffeine in one day I would flatline.

[weekend]

one time in freshman year of high school i ate 1200 mg caffeine at once with no tolerance to get high.

felt terrible, puked for hours.

[Jack O'Neill]

Kiefer advices (in CBL protocol) to take 400mg before training and up to 800mg after training. Moreover, training must be done in evening.

I'd like to talk with guys who correctly follow this protocol!

[Sperwer]

Kiefer advices (in CBL protocol) to take 400mg before training and up to 800mg after training. Moreover, training must be done in evening.

I'd like to talk with guys who correctly follow this protocol!

How does he sleep?


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[Jack O'Neill]

How does he sleep?


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Good question Sperwer. In the Kiefer's board some guys do it successfully. This may be depend on the body reaction to the caffeine.

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 70/91

10th week over ! :)

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 95kg / 209lbs (+1kg / +2.2bs)/(+6kg / +13.2lbs)
Waist : 86cm / 33'9 (+0.5 / +0'2)/(+1.5 / +0'6)
Estimated BF% : 14.3% (+0.2%)/(-0.3%)
BP : 140/80
BPM (Rest) : 60

Epistane @50mg
Dienazone @3ml

Side effects :
No side effects with this dosage excepted a huge lethargy since several weeks. Need to sleep from 9PM. My night is about 7h long.
If you followed my post, you know that I tried Dienazone @3.5ml and I know now that my sweet spot is 3ml :-) With 3.5ml, my BP has increased and I had some strange and bad sensations in my veins, in my neck and in my arms (wrists). Really strange, but due to high BP I believe. So I came back to 3ml and all is fine now. Good thing.

My elbows are neraly no longer painful since I increased Cissus dosage each day. With glucosamine+cissus, all is fine now.

Workouts are great and intense. My strength is upping slowly but better than without gears. I'm certain if I had a 3x8 regular workout, I will see a clear difference. My actual workout is based on the muscle fatigue (a kind of Gironda's style workout but in 5 sets and a bit pyramidal) with 45" of rest.

To my mind, Epi didn't start to kick. The only effects I feel come from Dienazone (I know this product 'cause I already used it alone). 3 weeks of Epi and .... nearly nothing. I feel it will be like Mechabol,....Nothing :-( Will see this week

Concerning my weight and my body, I'm really fulled, hard and pumped during training, and it's really motivating ! a bit less fulled in the morning... ;-) But I'm happy of the results even if fat is starting to add. It will be time to cut after.... I have some time before cutting. My plan is to go on like that (with less prots after PCT) and to start the 5/2 fat loss diet from february up to may '14. This is the same diet that now but with 2 days (OFF day) non consecutive with about 800kCal (a kind of eat/stop/eat IF protocol)

Graph evolution :

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Workout / Stats evolution :

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Weights in all exercices are upping :-) I changed my way to do barebell curls. I helped myself with my back and my arms worked less. It was too heavy for just my arms. So I decided to decrease weight from barebell and now, my back doesn't participate to the exercise (maybe a bit of course)

[Jack O'Neill]

At the end of my cycle, number of weeks of Dienazone will be 9.

My question is :
- may I extand up to 10 or more weeks (I have stock still in my shelves). Epi will be finished @ the 9th week (if I continue Epi, time long will be 6 weeks but I will stop it if I don't feel anything at the end of the 4th week)

I saw Dienazone reviews of 12 weeks. What is the risk? Is there's lo side effects and if I feel good? Recovery maybe?

[Scope75]

You've been on cycle for a while and have dropped/added compounds since the start so what's 1 more week. Lol

Only way to know for sure is to have done bloods threwout the cycle but I don't believe you've ran any bloods so only you can know if another week is worth it or not.

[burlyman30]

I suppose a week or two extra is not likely to cause major problems for you, but it should probably end pretty soon. Without doing blood work, you really have no idea what you are doing to your liver at this point.

[nate3993]

Speaking of changing compounds, etc.....maybe u should just pin man. Prolly be cheaper haha.

[Jack O'Neill]

You've been on cycle for a while and have dropped/added compounds since the start so what's 1 more week. Lol

Only way to know for sure is to have done bloods threwout the cycle but I don't believe you've ran any bloods so only you can know if another week is worth it or not.

Yes, I will do a blood check after and I did it one before my cycle.

[Jack O'Neill]

I suppose a week or two extra is not likely to cause major problems for you, but it should probably end pretty soon. Without doing blood work, you really have no idea what you are doing to your liver at this point.

Agree with you. Anyway I will do blood work just after my cycle and I think I will add one or 2 weeks onky with Dien depending on how I feel

[Jack O'Neill]

Speaking of changing compounds, etc.....maybe u should just pin man. Prolly be cheaper haha.

You're not the first who has told me that ;-) And thanks to the community here, I planned to do a test-e/test-p cycle for my next cycle (planned in sept 14')

[nate3993]

good on you taking that long off.

[Jack O'Neill]

good on you taking that long off.

What does it mean ? I'm a poor lonesome Frenchy

[burlyman30]

good on you taking that long off.


What does it mean ? I'm a poor lonesome Frenchy

He is saying that you are smart to take some time off between this cycle and the next one.

[Jack O'Neill]

He is saying that you are smart to take some time off between this cycle and the next one.

Yes indeed.

I learned something today. This is a good expression :D

[Jack O'Neill]

Oups I'm late and no report for the last week :-(

I have been very booked with several birthday nights. My son is 15 :-)

With all the cakes and junk foods I eat in the last 10 days I completely failed my diet.

Result : more than 5lbs in 10 days....and fat of course :-(

Workouts were however very great with a clear strength increase. This comes essentially (I think) from the carbs EVERY nights.

Always @3ml for Dienazone and 50mg for Epi.

Here you can appreciate my son birthday cake :-)

Edit : can't upload picture with my phone. Will upload it tonight at home with my laptop. This cake picture MUST be seen lol

[BBG]

Yes indeed.

I learned something today. This is a good expression :D

Remember if someone asks "How's it hanging?" the answer is always "Long and strong!" lol

[Jack O'Neill]

Remember if someone asks "How's it hanging?" the answer is always "Long and strong!" lol

I think I understood :-)

I thank SwoleSource for all my personal english training

[Jack O'Neill]

The best source of carbs several days ago :cool:

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My son birthday cake ! We celebrated 15 years and its green belt in karate :)

[burlyman30]

Fancy cake. is your son still working out with you?

[Jack O'Neill]

He stopped 2 months ago with regrets. Too much work for school and karate takes a lot of time.

[burlyman30]

Maybe he will come back to it later.

[Jack O'Neill]

Maybe he will come back to it later.

Sure! It's just a question of time

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 84/112

12th week over !

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 98kg / 215.6lbs (+1kg / +2.2bs)/(+9kg / +19.8lbs)
Waist : 89cm / 35'1 (+1 / +0'4)/(+4.5cm / +1'8)
Estimated BF% : 16% (+0.6%)/(+1.6%)
BP : 140/80
BPM (Rest) : 60

Epistane @50mg
Dienazone @3ml

Side effects :
Joints are a little painful, especially in the morning when I'm cold. But no more painful than 3 weeks ago.
Lethargy or fatigue is always present. Difficult to say if it is lethargy or deep fatigue... This is coming especially after lunch and dinner.
Strength is coming....slowly but coming. This is sure ! perfs are starting to take off :-)

Concerning my weight, it's a big increase in 2 week due to carbs every night. Fat is up too ! I realize that carbs brings up strength....and fat if carbs amount is too high. This festive period for 1 month is conducive to gain muscle .... and fat

Whatever I feel good, very good. Workouts are great, very physical and motivating !

I planned to keep Epi for this week and I stop after 7 days (always @50mg). If I feel good, I will continue with Dienazone @3ml for several weeks (up to 4 max). Will see how I feel

Graph evolution :

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Workout / Stats evolution :

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[Jack O'Neill]

I was watching "Dirty Dancing" with my wife yesterday night when I suddenly realized that.....I was dirty bulking ;)

Oh my god ! dfficult to keep a clean diet with Christmas :mad:

[Jack O'Neill]

Very great workout tonight. I up weights for all exercises 2x/week since 2 weeks. I really feel Epi action...or it's just Dienazone. I will see it next week 'cause Epi will be over on sunday.

I continue this cycle with Dienazone alone @3ml (this is my hot spot)

[Jack O'Neill]

Bad night. I realized that nights are bad since 2 weeks. I wake up very often.

I don't know if it is Epi or Dienazone but i normally stop Epi at the end of the week. So I decided to stop Epi today and continue only with Dien.

I will be able to give my feelings with Dien solo. I feel that Epi didn't work.... as Mechabol. I'm certainly oral PH resistant ! But Dienazone is perfect (and Stanodrol too!)

[Jack O'Neill]

I stopped Epi 2 days ago and my last night was fine. It was a long time I hadn't sleep like that.

Workout of yesterday was very great. Failure on bench at the end :
12x @100kg
10x @102kg
8x @104kg
4x @106kg
13x @75kg
With 45'' of rest between sets. I planned to do 6x @106kg to up the weights next time.

All the other exercises were fine and weights upped

[Jack O'Neill]

Nights seem to be better now since I stopped Epi. Good thing.
I'm however always very tired especially at the end of the afternoon.

Today back and biceps workout. I will see if I feel a real difference without Epi.

Dien is always @3ml

[Jack O'Neill]

Day 91/112

13th week over !

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 100kg / 220lbs (+2kg / +4.4bs)/(+11kg / +24.2lbs)
Waist : 90cm / 35'5 (+1 / +0'4)/(+4.5cm / +2'2)
Estimated BF% : 16% (+0.6%)/(+1.6%)
BP : 140/80
BPM (Rest) : 60

Epistane @50mg stopped last wednesday
Dienazone @3ml

Side effects :
No pain in joints, or a bit in the morning but Cissus helps me a lot
Nights are better since I stopped Epistane. I was sweating a lot with Epi during the night but I feel now really better in my bed
No headaches
No hairloss
A bit of acne in my back (3 little spots,...but I don't know if it comes from PH or from the pack of carbs each day :) )
Always very tired, especially in the afternoon, and in front of the tv in the we

Concerning positive effects, strength is upping slowly but certainly. Same strength increase with or without Epistane
I can say now that ONLY Dienazone is affecting me. I tried Mechabol and Epistane without any real differences. I tried Nanodrol 6 months ago with the same ZERO results. Very very strange. However diet and training is on top.

Fortunately Dien is here and very potent !

No changes are planned for the end of my cycle, just only Dienazone @3ml. I planned to continue 3 weeks but I will see how I feel. I could stop before if I need it.

PRs are coming :-)
I read a post about Gironda's style 8x8 workout and he said that after several weeks, or months, number of reps could reach the number of reps of trad workout (with 2 or 3 min of rest between sets). Today, I'm resting 45" between each sets. My training is a bit different from gironda's style but it's close to it. And now I can see that my perfs are closed to my old perfs with std training. And few exercices are really best ! This is the case of stiff legged deadlift : I did 12/10/8/7 reps @150kg (330lbs) with 45" of rest between each sets ! Very good for me.

I will see if I can keep a bit of my strength during and after PCT. It's a critical phase

Pictures planned at the end of the cycle and after PCT.

Graph evolution :

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Workout / Stats evolution :

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[Jack O'Neill]

Day 98/105

14th week over !

Stats this morning /(last week)/(from start)
Weight : 101kg / 222.2lbs (+1kg / +2.2bs)/(+12kg / +26.4lbs)
Waist : 91cm / 35'9 (+1cm / +0'4)/(+5.5cm / +2'8)
Estimated BF% : 16.8% (+0.8%)/(+2.4%)
BP : 140/80
BPM (Rest) : 60

Dienazone @3ml

I decided to finish my cycle after 15 weeks. It's time to stop fat gain ! and all these workouts are very tiring !
So this week will be the last week.

Side effects :
Elbows are fine now but my hands are a bit painful (joints)
Still a bit of acne in my back
Always very tired, almost all the time....

Concerning positive effects, strength is upping slowly but certainly. Weight is up but I gain too much fat.

No changes are planned for the end of my cycle, just only Dienazone @3ml (and stano of course)

Graph evolution :

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Workout / Stats evolution :

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To be ready for my PCT here's what I have planned :

Toremifene 120/120/120/90/90/90/90 for the 1st week, 90 for the 2nd week, 60 for the 3rd one, 30 for the 4th and 5th one
Anastrozole 0.25mg E3D
Reduce XT
iForce Intimidate
Stano 400mg ED for the 1st week, 200mg ED for the 2nd week, 200mg EOD for the 3rd week

Will maybe add Ostarine for the 4 first weeks @12.5mg to try to keep muscle as much as possible

Concerning diet, I will decrease prot amount from 1.9g/lbs to 1.4g/lbs
for ON days, caloric total will be about 3000kCal (instead of 4000kCal. Less of carbs essentially)
for OFF days, caloric total will be about 2400kCal (maintenance, with Ultra Low Carbs day)

My aim is to keep muscle as much as possible and try to loose a bit of my belly fat. I completely failed this in my last cycle (a kind of cut during PCT :-( big fail of course).

My workouts will change a bit. It will be a mix of cumulative fatigue and strength gains with sets composed of 5x5 reps. I will add HIIT cardio each week now.


Don't hesitate to criticate my PCT. I don't want to fail this most important part of my successful cycle ! Thanks

[Jack O'Neill]

Little update. I will update completely mon post on next monday 'cause of too much work at the office.

I stopped my cycle on last friday and started immediately my PCT.

Torem 120mg
Exemestane 12.5 mg
Anastrozole 0.25mg E3D
iForce Intimidate
Reduce XT
Testojack 200
Ostarine 7.5mg

Workouts in 5x5 based on strength and muscles fatigue.

Concerning libido, I'm at the bottom since several weeks and no improvment for the moment.

I lost about 5lbs (water due to carbs excess the 3 last weeks). No weight changes since 3 days.

No strength loss either

[nate3993]

I'd drop the osta. It's so mixed when it comes to supression. And I know for myself it suppresses me hardcore. U wanna do the clinical dose? 3mg, that's prolly fine. You're more than doubling it though. So either stay at 3mg or drop it totally.

[Jack O'Neill]

I'd drop the osta. It's so mixed when it comes to supression. And I know for myself it suppresses me hardcore. U wanna do the clinical dose? 3mg, that's prolly fine. You're more than doubling it though. So either stay at 3mg or drop it totally.

I already tested osta @20mg/day for 6 weeks with no suppression (did a blood work after) 1, 5 year ago.

That's why I wanted to use it in my PCT to try to keep strength as much as possible. After just one week, I even feel stronger than last week (to be confirmed next week of course).

If I still feel not recovered at all next week, I will drop osta as you advice me

[nate3993]

that's impressive. like i said. some people it suppresses, to others it doesn't seem to. i know for me it suppresses.

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but with you having bloodwork and all then you can use it

[Bucks]

And he's Jack O Hulk!!

[Jack O'Neill]

And he's Jack O Hulk!!

Yeah! Almost! ....without green color

seriously, very good cycle. I will finally post pics at the end of pct. I'm a bit too fat today and I dont like it but friends and even my wife told me that I have swolen