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Sperwer
10-29-2013, 08:48 PM
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40% Increase in Total + 50% Increase in Free Testosterone - Two Not Necessarily Undesirable Side Effects of Sildenafil. Human Study Confirms Direct Effect of PDE-5 Inhibition (http://suppversity.blogspot.kr/2013/10/40-increase-in-total-50-increase-in.html)





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Either you buy one of the bazillion OTC test-boosters that will not do anything for your testosterone levels, but may have minimal effects on your libido; or, you get a script for the blue pills and accept that one of the side-effects of these proven libido-boosters is an increase in testicular testosterone production.


If you were all Germans, I would probably be cracking a joke about the lead author's name "Spitzer", but in view of the fact that you aren't and that it would be a saucy one I will stick to the news-piece alone - it's saucy enough, anyways ;-)

Actually you've heard Carl and me talk about the purported testosterone boosting effects of sildenafil aka Viagra on theScience Round Up (http://suppversity.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/summary/-/SSR/?max-results=9999) in the past, but Mr. Spitzer and his colleagues from the Greenfield Health Center are the first to prove the potency of the testosterone response in male subjects who received "an optimized dose" (more on that later) of sildenafil, as well as its "direct action on the testes" in a controlled larger-scale trial (Spitzer. 2013).

More than just "spitz" (engl. "horny")

The data Matthew Spitzer et al. analyzed came from the Testosterone and Erectile Dysfunction Trial in the course of which 140 men, aged 40–70 years with erectile dysfunction, low serum total testosterone (<11.4 nmol/L; 330 ng/dL) and/or free testosterone (<173 pmol/L; 50 pg/mL) over received starting doses of


25mg sildenafil, if they were on an alpha-blocker
50mg sildenafil, if they never used sildenafil before, and
100mg sildenafil, if they were viagra veterans

for 3–7 weeks. The men in the 25mg and 50mg groups had the chance to increase the dosage to up to 100mg "on occasion"; or, in other words, when their sexual desire did not match their physical function.


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Figure 1: Changes of testosterone and other hormones rel. to baseline level (Spitzer. 2013)


As you can see in Figure 1 the ingestion of a handful of the infamous blue pills lead to significant increases of in total (+3.6 nmol/L = 103 ng/dL; p<0.001) and free (+110 pmol/L = 31.7 pg/mL; p<0.001) testosterone levels and were accompanied by parallel increases in serum DHT (0.17 nmol/L = 4.9 ng/dL; p<0.001) and oestradiol (14 pmol/L = 3.7 pg/mL; p<0.001) and significant suppression of luteinizing hormone (change 1.3 units/L; p=0.003) levels.

The latter, i.e. the reduced luteinizing hormone levels are what actually suggests that we are dealing with a direct effect at the testicular level and not some weird hyptohalamic feedback. A centrally mediated in crease in testosterone production would after all have gone hand in hand with in- not decreases in luteinizing hormone concentration.

Minimal changes in adrenal hormones

With small, but noticeable increases in androstenedione and oestrone increased by 1.3 nmol/L (38 ng/dL; p=0.011) and 10.7 pmol/L (2.9 pg/mL; p=0.012), Spitz et al. cannot exclude that the sildenafil induced phosphodiesterase-5 inhibition did also affect the adrenal glands - or, to be precise, "late adrenal androgen synthesis" (Spitz. 2013):



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Gingko = Brain Viagra?



"The adrenal glands are the major site for production of androstenedione, which is converted to oestrone by aromatase. Enzyme 17,20 lyase, which converts 17a-hydroxyprogesterone to androstenedione, is upregulated with sildenafil treatment in rats.

This could explain the increase in serum androstenedione levels in our participants. However, an increase in 17,20-lyase activity should also result in an increase in DHEAS levels, which was not observed. Further investigation is needed to study the effect of sildenafil on adrenal androgens." (Spitz. 2013)
While the exact mechanism that's responsible for the androstenedione increases must still be determined, it is, as previously mentioned, almost certain that the increase in testosterone levels was mediated by direct effects on the steroidigenic leydig cells in the testes. They are the ones that respond to the luteinizing hormone signalling from the brain have been reported to respond directly to PDE-5 inhibitors in previous studies by Andric et al. from 2007 & 2010, as well as Janjic et al. from 2012.

More sex = more testosterone?

Whether and to which extend the increase in testosterone has also been indirectly promoted by increases in sexual activity, which have been previously reported to lead to increases in testsosterone levels after successful treatment of erectile dysfunction (Janniniet. 1999; Aversa. 2013) remains to be seen. The data from the study at hand does at least not support this notion, because a "greater sexual activity did not predict greater change in serum total testosterone" (Spitzer. 2013).

Other studies have associated greater sexual arousal with acute increases in LH and subsequent increases in testosterone production (LaFerla et al., 1978; Rowlandet al., 1987). With decreasing not increasing LH levels being one of the main findings of the study at hand, it is however more or less impossible that the increased sexual desire was the horse, not the cart in the sildenafil-related increases in testosterone levels Spitzer et al. observed in their 140 borderline to full-blown hypogonadal man.


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SuppVersity Suggested Read: "Will Sex Before a Competition Hamper Your Performance? Plus: How Can Estrogen, Cortisol, Quail and Muhammad Ali Help Us Answer This Important Question" | read more (http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2012/05/will-sex-before-competition-hamper-your.html)


Bottom line: It appears to be settled that it is the direct effect of PDE-5 inhibition on testicular testosterone production that's responsible for the Viagra induced increases in testosterone production. What is not settled, though and I guess that is something people tend to forget about, when they hear promising study results like these is that the benefits were observed in a men whose testosterone production was already impaired.

In fact, the researchers' acknowledgment that "some portion of the observed increases in testosterone occurring during sildenafil administration is almost certainly attributable to regression to the mean" (Spitzer. 2013) would suggest that similarly pronounced effects cannot necessarily be expected in men with normal testosterone levels... but hey, the same goes for 99.9% of the OTC "test boosters" and people still buy them despite the fact that they do not even have produce those "nasty" boners as a side effect ;o)

burlyman30
10-29-2013, 09:16 PM
Interesting study. I guess having a lowered LH production isn't necessarily a bad thing if a) you aren't looking to reproduce and b) if your testosterone level is already impaired and are likely eligible for TRT.

BBG
10-29-2013, 09:50 PM
The 100mg dose increased Oestrone less than the 50mg dose?

I find this interesting because I thought PDE5 inhibs boosted test by reducing conversion to DHT. But apparently not based on this!

Very nice find.

weekend
10-30-2013, 12:00 AM
^ want more DHT, just started taking cialis 5 mg/day for apparent gain enhancement? is this proven anywhere (dht reduction)?

Jelisej
10-30-2013, 04:42 PM
LH is lower because is used more effectively, thats what I think and these guys as well:
Sildenafil increases serum testosterone levels by a direct action on the testes - Spitzer - 2013 - Andrology - Wiley Online Library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2047-2927.2013.00131.x/abstract)

So clomid+viagra is way to go.


We touched this topic a week or two ago, there were some nice studies that Haritec found:
Anbolic technologies (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/quick-questions/1577-anbolic-technologies.html)

Cobalt
10-30-2013, 08:44 PM
I'm with weekend, does tadafil work the same way?

I typically stack clomid with tadafil in pct, mainly because tada seems more smooth than sildenafil. Kinda like using an eth versus an ace.

Grape Ape
10-31-2013, 04:44 AM
Yeah^^ Daily viagra sounds annoying, but the low dose Tada would be nice if it worked the same.

Haritec
10-31-2013, 09:39 AM
I hopefully will be checking out the low dose Tadafil route pretty soon. Fucking Canadian medical system takes its sweet time. I got the clearance from my cardiologist to go ahead and do the 5 mg daily - but she said she wanted me to see my GP to get the prescription. So - GP apt on Nov 19 and it should be a done deal. It will be interesting as I have done low dose clomid now for about 10 months ( 25 mg 3x weekly ) as a means to keep testosterone / leutenizing hormones up. Adding the low dose Tada should increase LH sensitivity and hopefully give a nice increase in testosterone - as my LH on this does of clomid runs at the high end of the range already.

longBallLima
10-31-2013, 10:22 AM
so i'll be a walking boner on my pct... nice...

milehighguy
10-31-2013, 11:43 AM
^^^ literally

I respond so well to clomid that it is hard to imagine adding this to the mix.