Mixing SERMS????

[pitboss]

Is it advisable to mix SERMS? For example; 2 weeks of Torem then 2 weeks of Clomid. Or low dose of each for 4 weeks?

[Sperwer]

Why would you want to?


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[pitboss]

Several reasons. I have a small amount of torem but a lot of clomid. Would like to use the clomid but I don't enjoy the side effects. I know the obvious answer here is " buy more torem ". And I agree, but would like to use what I have and was just wondering about the possibilities.

[Sperwer]

I'd sell the clomid and buy more torem

[weekend]

my plan for pct is to combine them both..

clomid
25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5eod
torem
60/60/40/40/20/20

aromasin a la carte lol

[nate3993]

i'd say bump up torem, lower clomid. course, i don't have any experience with torem, so i guess i can't talk, but i know clomid and that's powerful shit. 12.5 should be fine. i'm sure j will agree on this. he often advocates that a 12.5mg dose is gonna do just as good as 25 and have less chance of sides.

[booklifter]

I'd sell the clomid and buy more torem

I know a lot of guys would go the same route (assuming both were pharma or at least legit), due to the sides from clomid, but I wouldn't. In my mind, the sides from clomid are a direct result of how amazingly well it works, I'm always paranoid about bunk pct, and it can't hurt to have a backup plan on hand. In particular, if one were to start with research torem and spend two weeks discovering that it was toothpaste or real-but-underdosed, real clomid's fast kick in the teeth is just what the doctor ordered to make up for lost time...

Torem is a fine product and often all you need, but I'd never sell my clomid to buy more of it. I'd sell my shirt, my shoes, and my soul, but not my clomid.

[weekend]

Good torem seems to give a much smoother PCT than clomid. But I agree with book lifter, clomid.. You know it's working.

That's why I'm using both! :)

[pitboss]

I tend to agree but can't have floaters and other eye issues while driving at night. The clo is from the shark .....

[Jelisej]

i'd say bump up torem, lower clomid. course, i don't have any experience with torem, so i guess i can't talk, but i know clomid and that's powerful shit. 12.5 should be fine. i'm sure j will agree on this. he often advocates that a 12.5mg dose is gonna do just as good as 25 and have less chance of sides.

Absolutely agree on this.

Clomid 12.5 a day or 25 EOD should be enough and yes there are less chances of sides, if you feel "unsafe" you can go up 25 every day or 50 eod- but it is not really needed.

[weekend]

^ i am definitely gonna do 25 for the first 2 weeks, depending on how my nuts feel, i will prob drop to 12.5 after that.

my nuts are reallllly shrinking from this cycle....

GMO grape size... god i hope they don't shrink further to organic grapes!

is there a reason to do EOD instead of ED with clomid?

[Jelisej]

Some people say that higher dose EOD works better for them, considering that clomid has quite long half life I dont understand how can anyone feel difference- it should be same thing really. Also 12.5 mg a day or 25 other should be effective enough- but there is no harm in going 25 ed or 50 eod if it makes person feel calmer- placebo is also important however funny it may sound, if person is panicking it can have quite an negative impact...

You should try to revers testicular shrinkage, or at least try to prevent further,
you'll need longer pct,

[nate3993]

I tend to agree but can't have floaters and other eye issues while driving at night. The clo is from the shark .....

india has phenomenal, cheap, pHARMA clomid. no reason to EVER buy research clomid. pm me if u need info

[Grape Ape]

^^Nate has it on lock

Leave the research to your PDE-5's. Then you get your money's worth.

[Haritec]

India has amazingly cheap pde5's too !

1018

100 tabs for $150 - 100 tabs of 5 mg is like $450 in Canada. If doing the 5 mg a day thing - 100 20 mg tabs lasts you a year with a good pill cutter !

[weekend]

What do I do besides hCG 3x a week to prevent more shrinkage?

[Jelisej]

What do I do besides hCG 3x a week to prevent more shrinkage?

Try bit higher dose, of maybe EOD, if nothing works maybe you'll have to do "blast" at the end, or between cycle and PCT

[weekend]

Isn't that risky for desensitization though?

I am at 300 iu MWF

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Clomid on cycle helps. But I don't know if that's a good idea. I took 10 pills earlier in the cycle and nuts were nearly full size again. But they shrunk more within just a few days of stopping.

Maybe I'll take a higher dose of hcg once I'm done with tren and the compounds I'm on are less suppressive.

[Jelisej]

Try with 500 IU 3X, straight away and see what happens, that dose is still within reason, not really happy about it but I see it as lesser evil- clomid should help with possible desensitation, would run it longer than planned

[weekend]

Sounds good. I am pinning ED as well, should I use it maybe 5 days a week at 200-250? Wouldn't mind.

[h2s]

I usually do E3D or EOD, I never bothered ED.

[Jelisej]

Sounds good. I am pinning ED as well, should I use it maybe 5 days a week at 200-250? Wouldn't mind.

You can try that as well, thing with HCG is that for lot of people different protocols work better, for me 3X a week is good, I tried it every day and I kind of was not happy. Anyway, as long as it is less than 2000 iU a week and no more than 500 IU, more does not yield better results really, again for majority 250-300 is as effective as 500 IU but sometimes higher works better for some folks.