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Haritec
12-06-2013, 09:19 AM
Anyone know if there is any truth to this ... or is this yet another too good to be true sales pitch for yet another unproven supplement ?

That stuff is all true, but taking cyanidin 3-glucoside, a nutrient-partitioning supplement, sort of turns those rules on their carb-crunchy heads. The supplement, a compound found in various berries, profoundly increases the insulin sensitivity of muscle cells while decreasing the insulin sensitivity of fat cells. That means the glucose uptake in muscle cells increases, and glucose, nutrients, and BCAA's are partitioned into these same muscle cells while fat storage in general is hindered and fatty acid oxidation is increased.

With C3-G, you're actually better off eating more carbs, a lot more carbs, particularly during the peri-workout period, but also during other times of the day. The C3-G makes your body react more like those really built guys. The calories you eat get partitioned preferentially into muscle and thus your weight gain comes from muscle and not fat.

If you diet while on C3-G, or even if you don't, fat is burned preferentially while muscle is retained. By virtue of a chemical tweak, courtesy of C3-G, your body suddenly starts to react like that of a genetically-gifted nutrient partitioner.

T NATION | Eat Big and Gain Nothing But Muscle (http://www.t-nation.com/supplements/eat-big-and-gain-nothing-but-muscle)

Biotest Store at T NATION | C3G (Cyanidin 3-Glucoside) (http://www.t-nation.com/store/categories/97-c3g-cyanidin-3-glucoside)

It sure sounds tempting for a guy just starting to try to add some mass on !

PubMed articles

keeps mice skinny
Cyanidin 3-glucoside attenuates obesity-assoc... [J Nutr Biochem. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21543211)

Reduces fatty liver disease ( an alternative to TUDCA ? )
Dietary anthocyanins as nutritional the... [Oxid Med Cell Longev. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24282628)

Protects rats from Obesity
Anthocyanin-Rich Juice Lowers Serum Cholesterol, Le... [PLoS One. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23825152)

reduces gut inflammatiom
Cyanidin-3-glucoside suppresses cytokine-induced in... [PLoS One. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24039842)

pman42
12-06-2013, 10:24 AM
I think it's overhyped, as are most Biotest things. if you want to try it Swanson has it, although it doesn't come in a Pelican case

Right Hook
12-06-2013, 11:23 AM
It is an anthocyanin which is found in things like blueberries. Black rice also has a large anthocyanin content which C3G is the largest.

I think in general anthocyanins are good stuff. But Indigo 3G itself is over priced. I wrote an article yesterday on some new research related to thermogenesis and anthocyanins - Is Your Girlfriend Always Cold? - Anthocyanins Prohormone Podcast (http://www.prohormonepodcast.com/supplements/anthocyanins/)

totalflexblog
12-06-2013, 12:37 PM
Antaeus Labs Talos contains a healthy dose of anthocyanins.

Haritec
12-06-2013, 02:03 PM
Thanks for the feedback. Swanson looks pretty reasonably at $20 for 60 100 mg tablets versus Biotest $80 for 90 100 mg tabs.

Interesting article on Thermogenesis as well - I may pick up some of this stuff. I am currently on keto diet and being able to add in additional carbs would be nice if I can still stay in ketosis - tough getting enough fiber and potassium without getting more carbs.

Right Hook
12-06-2013, 02:05 PM
Thanks for the feedback. Swanson looks pretty reasonably at $20 for 60 100 mg tablets versus Biotest $80 for 90 100 mg tabs.

Interesting article on Thermogenesis as well - I may pick up some of this stuff. I am currently on keto diet and being able to add in additional carbs would be nice if I can still stay in ketosis - tough getting enough fiber and potassium without getting more carbs.

Sugar free Metamucil. Stack with potassium nitrate.