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Sperwer
01-28-2014, 06:39 PM
My rat received a lot of interesting stocking stuffers this year from Santa, who doesn't seem to have heard about Steroid Control Act. Included was some 400 Test E, which he tried out 2 days ago - 800mg. Since about 6 hours afterwards, he has been complaining that his glute feels like it was hit by a Bobby Orr slap shot - no pip or impact pain but a very deep and serious soreness that came on slowly and that has him limping around. Discomfort seems to have peeked at the 36 hour mark and diminished a lot since then, but it still hurts. Wonders if this is common w/ Test E. Never had a similar experience with Tren A, Tren E or Tren H or Boldenone.


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olddawg
01-28-2014, 07:24 PM
it's the concentration of 400mg test per ml that hurts, if you can cut it with some deca or something else it will help a bit lol

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test e at 250mg/ml usually has no discomfort

Sperwer
01-28-2014, 08:19 PM
You mean add something to the A-bomb kickstarter and the Tren E accompaniment? Yikes. Lol


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Sperwer
01-28-2014, 08:21 PM
it's the concentration of 400mg test per ml that hurts, if you can cut it with some deca or something else it will help a bit lol

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test e at 250mg/ml usually has no discomfort

Damn, i've still got 50 ml of 400 to get thru. 😰


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olddawg
01-28-2014, 08:42 PM
lol, better buckle down for the storm and ride it out

Sperwer
01-28-2014, 08:43 PM
Aye


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olddawg
01-28-2014, 09:43 PM
You mean add something to the A-bomb kickstarter and the Tren E accompaniment? Yikes. Lol


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oh I didn't know you were doing tren e as well, but mixing it with something else will help a bit

Sperwer
01-28-2014, 09:45 PM
It never occurred to me to mix 'em together. Is that a good idea? I'm doing a shot of each, one in each cheek


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olddawg
01-28-2014, 10:08 PM
sure is, I do everything in one syringe if I can fit it all, when it gets over 3 mls that makes it tough, but yeah, use one needle to draw them all into the same syringe, change pins, then inject all at once. Careful not to put too much into one site. as a rough guide use 1ml in the delt, 2mls in the quad and 3 in the glute you may be able to take more or less so experiment with it a bit. be careful when you are drawing the second oil not to push any back into the vial as you will be pushing both types of oils into the one vial, you don't want to mix them in the vial.

nate3993
01-28-2014, 10:16 PM
mast helps pain. A LOT. mix some test and mast in the same pin. i usually do test first and then mast...not sure if it makes a difference what you draw out first...but weekend will attest to mast helping with pain

Sperwer
01-28-2014, 10:31 PM
Well that could work. I've got 90 ml of Mast on hand


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hossam
01-28-2014, 10:31 PM
i am currently running Test E with primo and Winstrlol and no pain at
all with 500 test E
the worst pain is from winstrol

you must have hit a nerve and caused that pain

Sperwer
01-28-2014, 10:33 PM
Nope, i know nerve pain; this ain't it; very deep pervasive muscle soreness


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hossam
01-28-2014, 10:37 PM
maybe you moved the needle while injecting
this is my second cycle of test E and i haven't experienced any pain from it

Sperwer
01-28-2014, 10:43 PM
I always end up moving the pin around at least a little when i'm shooting glutes - bad thoracic/lumbar transverse mobility; arthritic hands. Never caused any problems before



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Sperwer
01-29-2014, 12:23 AM
sure is, I do everything in one syringe if I can fit it all, when it gets over 3 mls that makes it tough, but yeah, use one needle to draw them all into the same syringe, change pins, then inject all at once. Careful not to put too much into one site. as a rough guide use 1ml in the delt, 2mls in the quad and 3 in the glute you may be able to take more or less so experiment with it a bit. be careful when you are drawing the second oil not to push any back into the vial as you will be pushing both types of oils into the one vial, you don't want to mix them in the vial.

So, it would also work to combine the two in a custom mix in a fresh vial?


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olddawg
01-29-2014, 06:56 AM
well if you do that then you can't alter the ratio of one to the other. it's up to you, and I never do that I just mix and match adjusting levels as I go if sides occur from one or the other. up to you really

Sperwer
01-29-2014, 07:01 AM
Good point; but i've got a lot of both and i don't have to fill the vial, leaving room for further adjustment.

Out of curiosity, what proportions would you suggest? I went swimming today and the soreness continues slowly to subside. But my ass still hurts enough that i'm still limping. I really don't want to go here again ....


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BoneDaddy
01-29-2014, 07:55 AM
Sperwer, just curious.....how fast did you inject? Granted I've only pinned myself maybe 8 or 9 times now, but I've found if I just plunge away I get the deep muscle soreness. If I go slow and pace it, I can't even tell I pinned. Just a thought from my noob experience.

Sperwer
01-29-2014, 07:56 AM
I go REAL slow. Usually no problem: like you can't even tell i have. This was very different though


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Cobalt
01-29-2014, 08:23 AM
I'd say it is the concentration of Test in the oil. What carrier oil is used? Some oils that can barely handle 400mg/mL will cause more discomfort than an oil that handles more.

From experience of mixing different injectables, I would just pull the required volume from separate vials into one syringe. You just need to keep in mind where to stop pulling the plunger.
I've pulled Test E, Tren A and Deca all in one syringe and pinned it in my quad with no issues.

Although, mixing into a single vial is popular. Test P/Tren A is done a lot. My source mixes a Test P/Tren A/Mast combo at 100mg each, its really popular.

Sperwer
01-29-2014, 08:41 AM
Judging from the near absence of color, i'd say the oil is very light grade


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olddawg
01-29-2014, 09:30 AM
I've never done t400 for that reason so can't speak from experience, so a guess, would be to try maybe 50/50???? I don't know and wish I had something of more substance to tell you. sorry



Good point; but i've got a lot of both and i don't have to fill the vial, leaving room for further adjustment.

Out of curiosity, what proportions would you suggest? I went swimming today and the soreness continues slowly to subside. But my ass still hurts enough that i'm still limping. I really don't want to go here again ....


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weekend
01-29-2014, 05:30 PM
i backload slins and when i was using mast test and tren all at once i would mix the next 4 days worth in a separate vial. then heat it, homogenizing it, then draw and backload that into the slins

worked great!

took 10-15 min each time prob but meh once or twice a week is fine.

Sperwer
01-29-2014, 05:39 PM
Weekend; proportions? And do you think a test/mast mix would cut the test enough on its own. The oil in my mast looks pretty light compared to that in the tren


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olddawg
01-29-2014, 05:52 PM
the difference in tren colour could be due to either using pellets to brew it or not. I can't remember if pellets make it yellower I think but could be wrong on that, I just know sometimes variation in tren colour isn't only the oil.


Weekend; proportions? And do you think a test/mast mix would cut the test enough on its own. The oil in my mast looks pretty light compared to that in the tren


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weekend
01-29-2014, 06:05 PM
my gear was all relatively painless. i did this to give myself different proportions and try it out. my doses changed pretty often as an experiment.

favorite dose:

40 test/60 tren/100 mast ED... it was perfect, gains so fast and zero bloat or gyno or acne. just the right amount of tren to feel a little overly hyped but not enough to feel crazy. i was pretty obnoxious on 80 lol

i think 1:1 mast and test will cut the t400 pip to very manageable. but are you using tren sperwer? or just test right now?

Sperwer
01-29-2014, 07:42 PM
My original opening protocol was Test E 800 mg/week and Tren E 400 mg/week, after 4 weeks of A-bomb 100 ED kickstart


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weekend
01-29-2014, 09:04 PM
^gains

Many labs have told me the tren will darken if oxidized before hand, labs will do it because bros prefer to see the dark color which sets it apart from other oils

Sperwer
01-30-2014, 05:54 PM
Day 4 - can walk without a limp, but ass is still mighty sore and the upper left quadrant of my left glute is noticeably swollen


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Sperwer
02-01-2014, 02:00 AM
Day 5 - still sore, but the soreness and swelling is now only about the circumference of a walnut - interestingly not at the injection point. Still can't lie on my left hip. Getting mentally steeled for the next shot in a couple days. Hoping a 50/50 mix on test e 400 and masteron obviates the problem w/ inject #1


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olddawg
02-01-2014, 04:20 AM
have to laugh spewer, haven't don't the 400 before but winny, prop/ace hurt pretty bad, rotated injection sites for two weeks until both shoulders and legs hurt and workouts became difficult lol, ended that shit promptly ha!

Sperwer
02-01-2014, 04:23 AM
If the mix doesn't work, i'll be looking to offload an open 30ml vial w/. 26 ml remaining. I've lost a week's worth of leg work, and i don't want any repeats after the next one (if it happens)


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olddawg
02-01-2014, 06:19 AM
not sure if this would work or make it worse but think of mixing it as you are going to, and then in splitting it into two injection sites. would that make the pain half as much but at two locations? or maybe last half as long????



If the mix doesn't work, i'll be looking to offload an open 30ml vial w/. 26 ml remaining. I've lost a week's worth of leg work, and i don't want any repeats after the next one (if it happens)


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Sperwer
02-02-2014, 04:30 AM
Day 6 -soreness is gone and swelling all but; can lay comfortably on my hip. So GTG for round 2 w/ the modified formula - well physically anyway😏


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Sperwer
02-04-2014, 02:15 AM
Ok, did the 50/50 Test E 400/Masteron E 250 in the other glute.

In the meantime, pumped 500 Tren E in the still slightly sore left glute.

Holding my breath


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nate3993
02-04-2014, 02:42 AM
dam....ur gonna be monster man

Sperwer
02-04-2014, 11:57 PM
So far so good. A little sore, but easily manageable. Next time back up to 800 Test E w/ a masteron spritz , shaken, not stirred. Plus the Tren, of course. Ready to regain the gains i lost when sick.


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O_RYAN_007
02-05-2014, 05:54 AM
not sure if this would work or make it worse but think of mixing it as you are going to, and then in splitting it into two injection sites. would that make the pain half as much but at two locations? or maybe last half as long????

I have to do this ever time I admin. I found that I was getting horrible pip from just 1ml in the quads and delta. So I just break it up; zero pip now.

BoneDaddy
02-05-2014, 07:45 AM
I have to do this ever time I admin. I found that I was getting horrible pip from just 1ml in the quads and delta. So I just break it up; zero pip now.

You'd get horrible pip from just 1ml? What were you pinning?

Sperwer
02-05-2014, 07:58 PM
This Test E 400 is the gift tht keeps on giving. Even at half the dose and cut with masteron, it's starting to make my glute stiff 2 days after injection. No pain this go around, though, and the stiffness is manageable.

Sperwer
02-10-2014, 06:19 AM
Went for the third round of Test E 400 today. This time bumped it back up to 2ml w/ a 1ml Masteron softener, since the latter solved the massive PIP last go. Although the mast seemed to do the trick re the soreness, i did notice a baseball sized bruise on my glute that made a belated appearance.


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