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h2s
11-15-2012, 08:40 AM
UNDERSTANDING GHRP + GHRH PEPTIDES
An Introduction By: h2s

This will be a guide for those looking to do research on GHRP/GHRH. It is not to be considered a complete source, and I highly recommend advanced research beyond the context of this article previous to using these peptides. With the wealth of knowledge available across the internet, there is no reason not have a solid understanding of the mechanisms behind these peptides before using them. This guide will be pretty lengthy, so it won’t replace the spoon-fed info type guides. It is meant for those who want to understand a bit of what is going on.

A short disclaimer:

This guide is purely hypothetical, and I do not encourage the use of any PED without the close guidance of a physician. This guide takes no consideration to the laws of your country. I do not condone any illegal activity. It is merely designed to be an educational resource. This guide also does not condone the usage of Research Chemical company's products. These products are strictly for research use only, and human usage is in violation of their terms of service. I also in no way am portraying myself as an expert on peptides. This guide is the result of my own personal investigating and research for my own experimentation, which I compiled to be able to share with others.
I also would like the time to thank Dat, and his wonderful board. Dat's writing has been the foundation of most of my research and certainly the fuel for my curiosity. I would also like to thank the 3 guys I had look it over. You know how much I appreciate all your assistance with my personal research.

As we begin, let’s cover some of the basics:

What is a peptide?

Peptides, to be brief, are molecules formed by linking two or more amino acids via peptide bonds. These can vary greatly in size, from a peptide consisting of two amino acids, referred to as dipeptides, to much more complex, such as Human Growth Hormone (HGH) which is a larger peptide which consists of 191 amino acids.

What is Human Growth Hormone?

This, as you can probably assume, could fill another 100 guides with info, so I will stay with a stricter definition. Human Growth Hormone is a large peptide, consisting of 191 amino acids, released from the pituitary gland found in the brain (see image).


http://i.imgur.com/HzjtJ.jpg

It is released from the pituitary gland in “pulses” as a response to stimulation from Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone, or GHRH. In the body, HGH has many effects such as cell reproduction, increased muscle mass, lipolysis, protein synthesis, and many other functions. I highly recommend that someone who is interested in learning more about Human Growth Hormone, or considering supplementing with it and/or its Secretagogues, do more research into its role in the body.

What is GHRH?


http://i.imgur.com/I97e6.png?1
CJC-1295

GHRH, or growth hormone releasing hormone, is a naturally occurring 44 amino acid peptide, which binds to the GHRHR, or growth hormone releasing hormone receptor, found on cells in the pituitary gland. Binding to the GHRHR signals the pituitary gland to secrete stored growth hormone.

What is GHRP?


http://i.imgur.com/prxMb.gif?1
Ipamorelin

GHRP, or growth hormone releasing peptide, refer to a group of synthetic peptides that act as Ghrelin mimetics. These peptides bind to GHS-R, which will have a positive effect on growth hormone release. Growth Hormone Releasing Peptides, along with the natural Ghrelin, are commonly termed Growth Hormone Secretagogues.

What is Somatostatin?


http://i.imgur.com/OjE5f.png
Somatostatin

Somatostatin, which can also be referred to as GHIH or Growth Hormone Inhibiting Hormone, is an inhibitory peptide of Growth Hormone, and directly opposed the actions of GHRH. The relationship between GHRH and Somatostatin in the brain works in balance. GHRH, as explained earlier, causes the pituitary to release GH. If GHRH were to continually act upon GHRHR, one would experience GH Bleed, a topic that will be touched upon shortly. To counter this, Somatostatin also acts on Somatotropic cells (Growth Hormone releasing cells) and causes an inhibition to release of GH. If only Somatostatin was present, the pituitary would not release any GH. As you can see, both of these peptides are important in the regulation of growth hormone release in the body.

What is Ghrelin?

Ghrelin is a 28 amino acid peptide, originating from the stomach and pancreas. Ghrelin plays a role in stimulating hunger. It also increases fat mass. The Ghrelin mimetics, fortunately, do not share this trait. More importantly for our understanding, Ghrelin plays a vital role in the balance between the growth hormone release and Somatostatin.

Moving Forward...

If you have a basic understanding of the different characters at play above, then we can move on and talk about what role these peptides are taking on when administered. In order to understand HGH's release in the body, it is vital to understand the concept of pulsing.

What is a pulse? Why should I care?

In the natural process...
The pituitary gland synthesizes HGH and stores it until instructed to release. When instructed to release, through GHRH binding to the GHRHR, a "pulse" or release of HGH stored in the pituitary, will occur. Note that a pulse does not empty the pituitary of all of its stored HGH. Now, in the presence of just GHRH, Growth hormone would continually be released from the pituitary, and we would not have a "pulse." This is where Somatostatin comes into play, to inhibit further release of HGH. The process simplified looks like:

GHRH ----> HGH release from pituitary -----> Somatostatin -----> HGH release discontinued
|----------Release Stored HGH--------------|-----------------Store HGH----------------|

It is important to understand that you are NOT supplying exogenous HGH when utilizing peptides. Instead, you are causing your body to create pulses (large magnitude) from its own HGH. For this reason you want to mimic the patterns of the body's natural pulse rhythm. Use this way will prevent desensitation and will allow your body to maintain its natural balance (as opposed to overworking it). This is believed to also be quite a bit more effective in terms of your body's response and will be better at supporting weight increase (Ref (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3968505)), a good sign of desensitation from continuous usage.

For this reason, you want to avoid two things:

Dosing more frequently than every 3 hours (approximate natural time in between pulses)
GH Bleed
What is "GH Bleed"?


The term "GH Bleed" refers to a state in which HGH is continuously released from Somatotrophs (Growth Hormone releasing cells). GH Bleed can occur from constant stimulation of GHRH (Primarily caused from the utilization of CJC-1295 (will be further discussed later in this article)). This is to be avoided for two significant reasons. The first, is that the Somatotrophs will be constantly labored to produce the excess HGH and will no longer be able to communicate as "network" as is natural for these cells through the pituitary. This will lower their responsiveness and the effectiveness of pulses. The second is that it is believed the body should respond much more effectively to a pulsatile distribution of HGH as opposed to a low constant supply.

What actually happens when I administer GHRP and GHRH?

*In the interest of keeping this a "simple" guide, I will not go into the pathways of the receptor activation and the effects exerted. If interested, there is a lot of information on the subject available throughout the web.

At this time you should be able to see where this is going, and why administration of these peptides can be beneficial in terms of growth hormone release. But how does it actually happen?

*Quick note, at this point we will discuss GHRP and GHRH in the general sense. Later we will discuss which individual peptides to consider for you

Upon administration of GHRH, it will travel to the anterior pituitary gland and stimulate GHRHR, which, assuming the absence of Somatostatin, will stimulate the release of growth hormone.

Upon administration of GHRP, it will have two effects relevant to our cause. The first, is it will promote the release of GHRH, which will in turn cause the release of growth hormone. GHRP will also directly interact with the GHS-R (or Growth Hormone Secretagogue Receptor), which will also positively affect the release of HGH. GHRP also has the benefit of directly opposing (and, thus, inhibiting) Somatostatin.
In terms of effects on release, it is believed that GHRP increases the number of cells releasing HGH, but not the amount those cells release. GHRH, on the other hand, is believed to increase both the number of cells that are releasing HGH, as well as the amount they are releasing.

To summarize this process in a simplistic manner:

GHRP -----> Release GHRH, Increase number of somatotropes releasing HGH, inhibit Somatostatin
GHRH -----> Increase numer of somatotropes releasing HGH, Increase amount of HGH release per Somatotropes

So, should I run just one of these peptides?

No. There is a synergy between coadministration of GHRP and GHRH that is not advisable to forego. The cumulative effect between these two becomes not the total of the individual parts, but a greater response caused by the synergy of their independent actions. GHRH can cause a pulse of HGH, but will not be effective if Somatostatin is present at the time of administration. The addition of the GHRP will inhibit the effects of the present Somatostatin allowing for the pulse to be successful. The single administration of GHRP can create a pulse on its own (greater than that of GHRH alone), but will not reach its potential had GHRH been administered at the same time.
If for whatever reason you can only run one peptide, it is advisable to use a GHRP, since a GHRP will always illicit some action, whereas a GHRH can cause no effect in the presence of Somatostatin.

Which GHRH should I choose?

The choice in GHRH is quite simple: tetrasubstituted GRF (1-29). This GHRH is also commonly sold as mod grf(1-29), CJC-1295 without DAC, or CJC-1293. Mod grf(1-29) is ideal in that it has an appropriate half-life to support a healthy pulse, and will not cause HGH Bleed.

What about CJC-1295, also known as CJC-1295 with DAC?

This GHRH is to be avoided. To understand the difference, understand that CJC-1295 w/ DAC is similar to mod grf(1-29) with the exception of the addition of the DAC, or Drug Affinity Complex. This addition was designed to increase the half-life of GHRH significantly. The issue with using a GHRH that has such a long half-life is that its constant presence will lead to GH Bleed. As mentioned previously, GH Bleed is undesirable as it leads to reduction in pulse strength of HGH release, a constant release of HGH, and overworks the cells impeding on their ability to communicate as a network.

Which GHRP should I use?

This is where the choice becomes a bit more personal. There are three peptides that are readily available GHRPs to choose from: GHRP-6, GHRP-2, and Ipamorelin.

GHRP-6 has an effect on GH release, increases hunger, causes gastric emptying, and increases cortisol and prolactin.

GHRP-2 has a stronger effect on GH release, does not increase hunger or cause gastric emptying as much as GHRP-6, and increases cortisol and prolactin.

Ipamorelin has a lessened effect on GH release, but in turn has no substantial effect on hunger, gastric emptying, cortisol, or prolactin.

If you are sensitive to, or would like to avoid the increase of either cortisol or prolactin, it would be advisable to choose the more expensive Ipamorelin.
If not, the stronger effect of the GHRP-2/6 would probably be a better choice. GHRP-6 should be chosen if the benefit of increased hunger would correlate with your goals. Elsewise, the increased effect of the GHRP-2 would probably suit you best.

How do I reconstitute the Peptides?

I personally recommend reconstitution with Bacteriostatic water. For instruction on how to reconstitute peptides, please see my other guide: Understanding Reconstitution: A Simple Guide (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/human-growth-hormone-peptides/202-understanding-reconstitution-simple-guide.html)

How are these peptides administered?

Peptides are administered through a subcutaneous injection with an insulin syringe (29g-31g). Subcutaneous (under the skin) injections are performed, most commonly on the abdomen, by pinching an area of fat and inserting the needle at a 45 degree angle (may be done at other angles depending on body fat). Once inserted, it is advisable to aspirate (pull back slightly on the plunger to make sure no blood is present, a sign that you are in a vein). Assuming no blood is present, the peptides can be injected.
More information on injection technique can be found here: (Warning: PDF) (http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/patient_education/pepubs/subq.pdf)

How often should I administer the peptides?

This is an entirely personal question, and will vary depending on goals and injection frequency tolerance of a user.

The standard protocol has been (on average) dosing 3 times a day (AM, post-workout (or pre-cardio), and pre-bed).

For those that choose to only administer once a day, pre-bed administration is most advisable.

Once daily dosing is typically utilized for the benefits in rest, rejuvenation and anti-aging.

More frequent dosing is considered much more ideal in terms of fat loss and muscle gain.
The general rule of thumb with frequent administration is to not dose more frequently than every 3 hours, as presented earlier.

Anything to consider when dosing?

You will want to dose on an empty stomach, or at least in the absence of fats and carbohydrates, both of which can blunt the body's release of HGH. You also want to avoid eating for approximately a half hour post administration in order to allow the pulse to reach its peak.

Final Note

Experimentation is key to finding a protocol that works for you. Peptides can be a great addition to any hormonal cycle (where, imo, they really shine) or even run as solo products.

Good luck with your research.

-h2s

Jelisej
11-16-2012, 05:58 PM
I did not read all article- just wanted to say that GHRP-6 at "saturation dose" should not increase cortisol or prolactin, and even hunger increase should be mild (ghrelin effect). Extreme hunger comes if person was fasting too long (he already had too much ghrelin), and very often extreme hunger is simply side effect of overdosing- in which case dose should be reduced and once person finds right dosage there should be no cortisol/prolactin issues.
Ipamorelin is waste of money- it does not increase prolactin or cortisol because its much weaker than GHRP-6 or GHRP-2. Using 80mcg of GHRP-6 would be better option than using Ipamorelin, and it would cost 3X less.

h2s
11-16-2012, 06:10 PM
I did not read all article- just wanted to say that GHRP-6 at "saturation dose" should not increase cortisol or prolactin, and even hunger increase should be mild (ghrelin effect).

The relationship between GHRP-6 and cortisol/prolactin is well documented. If you want me to find references I will, but it seems pointless given how well accepted this is.



Extreme hunger comes if person was fasting too long (he already had too much ghrelin), and very often extreme hunger is simply side effect of overdosing- in which case dose should be reduced and once person finds right dosage there should be no cortisol/prolactin issues.

Do you consider 100mcg overdosing? Also, what is overdosing? This is a way of achieving a supra-physiological response.



Ipamorelin is waste of money- it does not increase prolactin or cortisol because its much weaker than GHRP-6 or GHRP-2. Using 80mcg of GHRP-6 would be better option than using Ipamorelin, and it would cost 3X less.

This is true in that Ipamorelin is weaker (in terms of secretion response), but your statement on it being a waste is an opinion.

Jelisej
11-16-2012, 06:19 PM
The relationship between GHRP-6 and cortisol/prolactin is well documented. If you want me to find references I will, but it seems pointless given how well accepted this is.

Do you consider 100mcg overdosing? Also, what is overdosing? This is a way of achieving a supra-physiological response.

This is true in that Ipamorelin is weaker (in terms of secretion response), but your statement on it being a waste is an opinion.

Every person has different "saturation dose", 100 mcg is not overdosing for majority of people but is somewhere close to the line, 150 mcg on other hand is probably overdose for majority of people.
GHRP-s rely on body's own GH production which is limited. There were cases where peoples IGF levels tanked down as result of overdosing. For dose who want more is best to use syntetic GH.
If you have some studies on GHRP-6 and cortisol/prolactin relationship that is done on humans I would like to see them, asuming that they have dosages included.

h2s
11-16-2012, 06:40 PM
Every person has different "saturation dose", 100 mcg is not overdosing for majority of people but is somewhere close to the line, 150 mcg on other hand is probably overdose for majority of people.
GHRP-s rely on body's own GH production which is limited. There were cases where peoples IGF levels tanked down as result of overdosing. For dose who want more is best to use syntetic GH.
If you have some studies on GHRP-6 and cortisol/prolactin relationship that is done on humans I would like to see them, asuming that they have dosages included.

Cortisol:
Growth Hormone-Releasing Peptide-6 Stimulates Sleep, Growth Hormone, ACTH and Cortisol Release in Normal Man (http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowAbstractBuch&ArtikelNr=126883&ProduktNr=234600)


The synthetic hexapeptide growth hormone-releasing peptide (GHRP-6) stimulates growth hormone (GH) release in animals and man. GH-releasing hormone (GHRH) has the same effect. In addition, pulsatile administration of GHRH in normal men results in increased slow-wave sleep (SWS) and blunted cortisol levels. The effect of GHRP on nocturnal hormone secretion and on the sleep electroencephalogram (EEG) is still unknown. We compared the effect of repetitive i.v. boluses (4 × 50 µg) of GHRP and placebo (PL) on the sleep EEG (23.00 to 07.00 h) and on the secretion profiles of GH, ACTH and cortisol (20.00 to 07.00 h) in normal male controls. After GHRP, the GH concentration (22.00 to 03.00 h) increased (15.4 ± 9.6 ng/ml after GHRP vs. 5.5 ± 4.0 ng/ml after PL, p < 0.02), as did the ACTH level (22.00 to 02.00 h: 21.0 ± 5.3 pg/ml after GHRP vs. 16.6 ± 3.1 pg/ml after PL, p < 0.02). During the total night, and particularly during the first half of the night, cortisol secretion was enhanced (22.00 to 03.00 h: 56.0 ± 31.0 ng/ml after GHRP vs. 25.2 ± 9.0 ng/ml after PL, p < 0.02). Stage 2 sleep increased (270.1 ± 25.3 min after GHRP vs. 245.4 ± 25.8 min after PL, p < 0.02), whereas other sleep-EEG variables including SWS remained unchanged. Our data demonstrate that GHRP stimulates not only GH release but also hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenocortical hormone secretion. The latter effect is opposite to the blunting of cortisol after GHRH. Both GHRP and GHRH promote sleep. However, GHRP enhances stage 2 sleep and does not affect SWS. The different actions of GHRP and GHRH are a further indication that they act at different receptors.

There is the cortisol, but this is a pain to do from my phone so i will look for prolactin later tonight.

Jelisej
11-16-2012, 06:58 PM
But it does not say what dosage was used?

h2s
11-16-2012, 09:06 PM
But it does not say what dosage was used?

We compared the effect of repetitive i.v. boluses (4 × 50 µg) of GHRP

Jelisej
11-16-2012, 09:50 PM
We compared the effect of repetitive i.v. boluses (4 × 50 µg) of GHRP

Ok, Intravenously and as a bolus- well, that's quite effective route of administration- you get so much more compared to subcutaneous injections.

h2s
11-16-2012, 10:13 PM
Ok, Intravenously and as a bolus- well, that's quite effective route of administration- you get so much more compared to subcutaneous injections.
We are just not going to agree here.

nate3993
11-17-2012, 12:12 AM
Yeah. Ipam is not useless. I have a friend who used it for a couple months with mod grf and experienced better sleep, some fat loss, mild strength. It's not useless by any means.

Jelisej
11-17-2012, 07:07 AM
Yeah. Ipam is not useless. I have a friend who used it for a couple months with mod grf and experienced better sleep, some fat loss, mild strength. It's not useless by any means.

I did not say its useless- I said its waste of money. Ipamorelin does same thing that GHRP-6 and GHRP-2 do at smaller dosages- so instead of using Ipamorelin he could used 70-80mcg of GHRP-6, effects would be same but it would be 3X cheaper.
Reason why Ipamorelin does not cause prolactin/cortisol release is because it simply cannot stimulate pituary that much.

Jelisej
11-17-2012, 07:12 AM
We are just not going to agree here.

I like this answer, you deserve a lot of respect for your attitude.

Rulk
01-28-2013, 08:53 PM
I'm finally looking into Peps, thus the education starts...

O_RYAN_007
01-28-2013, 10:22 PM
I'm finally looking into Peps, thus the education starts...

Check out Datbtrue, there's a ton of info out there for newbies to the most advanced user.

milehighguy
08-28-2013, 09:36 PM
Cortisol:
Growth Hormone-Releasing Peptide-6 Stimulates Sleep, Growth Hormone, ACTH and Cortisol Release in Normal Man (http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowAbstractBuch&ArtikelNr=126883&ProduktNr=234600)

There is the cortisol, but this is a pain to do from my phone so i will look for prolactin later tonight.

h2s buy chance do you recall the article you were going to post about ghrp-6 and prolactin? I'm scanning the peptide section of the forum so I may have missed it as this is all new to me.

milehighguy
08-28-2013, 09:40 PM
Check out Datbtrue, there's a ton of info out there for newbies to the most advanced user.

yep, trying to read as much as possible there. also trying to learn before just jumping in with both feet as i am anxious to do some research of my own.

WesleyInman
08-28-2013, 10:05 PM
Good post H2s :) thank you
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And rather then debate I will say that I have "competitors" use a dosage of 200mcgs from personal experiences....if it isn't for a "competitor" I don't recommend this compound EVER. But at this dose it trumps THC and any other forms of compounds that are said to increase appetite. At this dosage everyone who has ever used it that I know, eats and is then hungry again immediately. This is a very very good tool for stimulating appetite IMO.

Again I will not debate the issue because truthfully I do not know of any medical literature personally that I would trust, nor have I ever conducted personal bloodwork to know, but on the topic of increases in prolactin/cortisol/etc...I would say "anything" is possible. I specifically have worked with several clients who have had "pre gyno issues from IGF. Granted this is a different peptide totally but my point is, you would never think this possible..but I have seen it dozens of times.

I for one am open to learning about peptides even further. I don't think enough long term studies exist to say factually that "this or that" can or cannot happen with any peptide. I think we are all the "learning curve."

nate3993
08-29-2013, 12:04 AM
Ghrp-6, and I mean, good, legit GHRP 6 from SRC didnt do shit for my appetite. Even with 100mcgs of Mod grf, combined with 500mcg of GHRP6 didnt do anything. I hear some prefer ghrp2 over 6, but 6 didnt do a whole lot. GWP's did a little the first couple times and then I never really got an appetite increase after that and I certainly NEVER got a stomach emptying. Dosed on an empty stomach, no carbs even up to about an hour after dosing. Nada. Tried super high dosed Synthetek B-12. IM and Sub Q injections. Nada. Not everything works for everyone. I guess I'm just gonna have to smoke weed :cool:

O_RYAN_007
08-29-2013, 05:23 AM
Ghrp-6, and I mean, good, legit GHRP 6 from SRC didnt do shit for my appetite. Even with 100mcgs of Mod grf, combined with 500mcg of GHRP6 didnt do anything. I hear some prefer ghrp2 over 6, but 6 didnt do a whole lot. GWP's did a little the first couple times and then I never really got an appetite increase after that and I certainly NEVER got a stomach emptying. Dosed on an empty stomach, no carbs even up to about an hour after dosing. Nada. Tried super high dosed Synthetek B-12. IM and Sub Q injections. Nada. Not everything works for everyone. I guess I'm just gonna have to smoke weed :cool:

Try out GHRP-2. It was on and off with me. Sometimes GHRP-6 wouldn't give me that much hunger at 150mcg, but when I would take 150 of GHRP-2, I'd get SUPER HUNGRY!!

milehighguy
08-29-2013, 09:02 AM
Ghrp-6, and I mean, good, legit GHRP 6 from SRC didnt do shit for my appetite. Even with 100mcgs of Mod grf, combined with 500mcg of GHRP6 didnt do anything. I hear some prefer ghrp2 over 6, but 6 didnt do a whole lot. GWP's did a little the first couple times and then I never really got an appetite increase after that and I certainly NEVER got a stomach emptying. Dosed on an empty stomach, no carbs even up to about an hour after dosing. Nada. Tried super high dosed Synthetek B-12. IM and Sub Q injections. Nada. Not everything works for everyone. I guess I'm just gonna have to smoke weed :cool:

How long did you run this and what was your dosing schedule?

Sucks to hear the lack of results on ghrp6. I'm thinking ghrp2 might be my pick.

nate3993
08-29-2013, 01:19 PM
How long did you run this and what was your dosing schedule?

Sucks to hear the lack of results on ghrp6. I'm thinking ghrp2 might be my pick.

i rain it for like 3 weeks. at first it was 100mcg ghrp6 100mcg mod grf morning and then pre bed and then matt porter wanted me to mega dose

i aint interested in peptides though anymore. at least not at any dose above 100mcg. prolactin and cortisol increases for me arent needed. i actually think my prolactin is naturally high. l-dopa takes that away though

milehighguy
08-29-2013, 02:23 PM
Well if the saturation dose didn't work well I respect not trying a mega dose just to elicit something. I would probably do the same thing. Although there are PEPs that supposedly do not raise prolactin.

But I have no pep experience so easy for me to say....

I'm mostly interested in fat loss while maintaining muscle.

Jelisej
08-29-2013, 06:21 PM
Abnormal hunger from GHRP's is not really desirable, in most of cases it means overdosing. Also person did not eat for a while his ghrelin may be high already, adding GHRP's to that is like adding oil to fire.

GHRP's also need decent thyroid function to work well, also they incease t4-t3 conversion and if ones thyroid is sluggish he'll end up with depleted ft4 levelsand after that GHRP's will not work and they will be beating dead meat.

Also is noted that overdosing GHRP's can deplete GH storages, and quite few folks had LOWER IGF levels as result of too high GHRP's dosages.

milehighguy
08-29-2013, 08:51 PM
GHRP's also need decent thyroid function to work well, also they incease t4-t3 conversion and if ones thyroid is sluggish he'll end up with depleted ft4 levelsand after that GHRP's will not work and they will be beating dead meat.

Also is noted that overdosing GHRP's can deplete GH storages, and quite few folks had LOWER IGF levels as result of too high GHRP's dosages.

What do you consider overdosing on GHRP's?
Going over saturation does significantly/repeatedly, etc...

nate3993
08-29-2013, 10:17 PM
Well if the saturation dose didn't work well I respect not trying a mega dose just to elicit something. I would probably do the same thing. Although there are PEPs that supposedly do not raise prolactin.

But I have no pep experience so easy for me to say....

I'm mostly interested in fat loss while maintaining muscle.

but i did try the mega dose. i did 500mcg. that dose will definitely raise your prolactin and cortisol

Jelisej
08-30-2013, 04:26 AM
What do you consider overdosing on GHRP's?
Going over saturation does significantly/repeatedly, etc...

Ideally, bloodworks should be done, otherwise one can try going by the symptoms- if one has numb hands that cant be good?
In long run, one nightly injection around 100 mcg should be safe.
From personal experience, I managed to deplete fT4 with 2X 120 mcg og GHRP-2/ 40 mg CJC

One can use one dose of GHRP-s at night without CJC (which is expensive), just add little bit more GHRP for example 150 mcg.
Easiest to deal with is GHRP-6 if you dont get big time hunger, you're not overdosing.

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but i did try the mega dose. i did 500mcg. that dose will definitely raise your prolactin and cortisol

You probably have underactive thyroid, so youre not responding well to GHRP-s.

Bean5er
10-04-2013, 05:08 PM
Very good stuff in here H2S. I'm still a noob to peptides, this is a great start. Thank you all

weekend
12-02-2013, 02:01 AM
is there any reason anyone knows of why these peptides shouldn't be used in PCT?

Jelisej
12-02-2013, 06:35 AM
Hexarelin as PCT for AndroDrive? (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/human-growth-hormone-peptides/50-hexarelin-pct-androdrive.html)

Start here, and then continue researching.
Biggest worry is: are you getting to obssesed with muscles, to the point that you cannot withstand.
And you are just one of million.
There was formula:
time on Cycle=PCTX2= time off, ok formula itself has flow and is too optimistic- but is acceptable
time off should be 5X off cycle- so cycle should be ona a year event, really