Giving Stenadrol a shot

[Rodja]

I'd like to thank SoCal for hooking me up and giving me a bottle to log here. I've used Msten in the past, but not Mithras so it'll be interesting to see how the adjunct alters the effects. I've been cruising for awhile on 600mg E as well for the past few months while I've been attempting to get healthy after a rough patch of training last year. I started running LGI Damage Control for this run as a support supp, but that's the only addition besides the Stenadrol. I'm not expecting too much in terms of huge strength gains, but I'd like to add 6-8# by the end of the bottle. I've been utilizing carb backloading for awhile as it allows me to stay leaner and eat like a fat kid at night.

[Scope75]

In...

[naeydrin]

In.

[markam]

In. Not tempted to stack it? :)

[Rodja]

In. Not tempted to stack it? :)

Nah, I'm not a big user of orals to begin with and running test with it is enough of a stack for me.


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[SoCal-Nutrition]

We made a mistake and sent Rodja a bottle of the Stenabol (m-sten) instead of the Stenadrol.

the correct product will be shipped out tomorrow...sorry for the error and the associated delays!

[Rodja]

3/23

Squat (w/ 46 Ace brief)
515x2x5

Even though I haven't started using the product, I figured I get the log started. Today was a relatively easy day in terms on volume and weight. We started late and I didn't have enough time to get in accessory work, but I've been hammering the shit out of my lower body lately and I've noticed that doing this once every 3-4 weeks is actually beneficial. I do a lot more driving now than I have in the past and it leaves my hips tight and knees achy. I have only worked above 600 once since my last meet in August and I likely won't be doing another one until this August due to injuries (I've only been able to bench pain-free once this year) and schedule.

[VayneZ]

What are all your current injuries? I remember you had a problem keeping your legs under the bench

[Rodja]

What are all your current injuries? I remember you had a problem keeping your legs under the bench

That was a groove issue more than an injury and finding the groove is always week to week.

Injury wise, I've been able to tackle 90% of my hip issues, which have made my lower back very happy. I've finally discovered a way to stretch the fascia of the psoas and piriformis that were causing my hip impingement and lumbar tightness. The white whale lately, though, has been my right AC joint. The inflammation in the area is low, but I have a lot of mid-trap tightness along with an extra tight supraspinatus that I've been unable to correct. I can always do OHP without pain, but other presses cause a hell of a lot of discomfort along with overall instability.

[VayneZ]

For some reason, whenever I go heavy on deadz (Friday) my left AC joint area feels annoyingly misplaced throughout the weekend, especially when I wake up (even though I sleep on my right side).

Monday when I hit Delts and back, heavy or high reps It ends up feeling better. I've been seeing a physiotherapist for this issue for 3 weeks now. Been feeling a bit better until last Friday when I attempted my max again in deadz.

Any rehab exercises or stretching that has been working for you personally? I always learn a LOT from you bruh

(sry to kinda hi-jack the purpose of this thread! You could PM me if anything)

[Rodja]

For some reason, whenever I go heavy on deadz (Friday) my left AC joint area feels annoyingly misplaced throughout the weekend, especially when I wake up (even though I sleep on my right side).

Monday when I hit Delts and back, heavy or high reps It ends up feeling better. I've been seeing a physiotherapist for this issue for 3 weeks now. Been feeling a bit better until last Friday when I attempted my max again in deadz.

Any rehab exercises or stretching that has been working for you personally? I always learn a LOT from you bruh

(sry to kinda hi-jack the purpose of this thread! You could PM me if anything)

Do you do an over/under grip? If so, what hand is pronated and which is supinated?

[Rodja]

3/24

OHP
170x5
135x14

Pendlay Row
205x6x3

Incline DB Press
70x10
70x8x2

Lat Pulldowns
180x10
200x10x3

Blast Strap Tricep Extensions/Band Pressdowns (light)
BWx10x3/10x3

DB Curls/Band Front Raise and Pullapart (mini)
45x10x3/10x3

I got in some really good work today. I was able to get some incline DB in today, which is the first time in a few weeks I've been able to do so. My endurance was down on the sets, but I expected that to be the case all things considered.

[VayneZ]

Do you do an over/under grip? If so, what hand is pronated and which is supinated?

Anything beyond 315 I switch to over/under grip. And I vary. I'm stronger with my right hand supinated. But sometimes I switch it to try to get my left grip to catch up in strength. I can't remember if last Friday I attempted it with the right supinated but I'm pretty sure it was the right hand.

Nice training btw! You stayed away from incline DB because of the AC joint? These days I can't do any incline BB press at all... or it would have to be really light and stretched very very carefully.

[Rodja]

Anything beyond 315 I switch to over/under grip. And I vary. I'm stronger with my right hand supinated. But sometimes I switch it to try to get my left grip to catch up in strength. I can't remember if last Friday I attempted it with the right supinated but I'm pretty sure it was the right hand.

Nice training btw! You stayed away from incline DB because of the AC joint? These days I can't do any incline BB press at all... or it would have to be really light and stretched very very carefully.

Incline hasn't been a bother until recently, but flat and dips have been no go.

[O_RYAN_007]

That was a groove issue more than an injury and finding the groove is always week to week.

Injury wise, I've been able to tackle 90% of my hip issues, which have made my lower back very happy. I've finally discovered a way to stretch the fascia of the psoas and piriformis that were causing my hip impingement and lumbar tightness. The white whale lately, though, has been my right AC joint. The inflammation in the area is low, but I have a lot of mid-trap tightness along with an extra tight supraspinatus that I've been unable to correct. I can always do OHP without pain, but other presses cause a hell of a lot of discomfort along with overall instability.

Can you share this with us? I've been having hip impingement issues as well, and groin/adductor issues as well. My wife is an OT and has been been giving me trigger pt therapy in those areas… It def help, but the other day when squatting, I had an Oh Shit moment when I was coming out of the whole. Felt a pop in the right adductor/groin area. I'm able to walk and air squat, but Im talking a wk or 2 off the give it time to heal. I'll get to work with a PT from her office that specializes in sports injuries. I truthfully feel that my adductors are weak compared to my quads and my hams; I've been having this issue in the left side as well.

[Rodja]

Can you share this with us? I've been having hip impingement issues as well, and groin/adductor issues as well. My wife is an OT and has been been giving me trigger pt therapy in those areas… It def help, but the other day when squatting, I had an Oh Shit moment when I was coming out of the whole. Felt a pop in the right adductor/groin area. I'm able to walk and air squat, but Im talking a wk or 2 off the give it time to heal. I'll get to work with a PT from her office that specializes in sports injuries. I truthfully feel that my adductors are weak compared to my quads and my hams; I've been having this issue in the left side as well.

The adductors will always be comparatively weak to the quads and hams. The small muscles and connective tissue are often the weak links, which is why I explain gear as something akin to extra connective tissue.

The method I found is something known as ELDOA. It's a French acronym from Guy Voyer and is kinda like ME yoga. The best thing to do is to look it up on YouTube as it's impossible to explain without video.


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[O_RYAN_007]

The adductors will always be comparatively weak to the quads and hams. The small muscles and connective tissue are often the weak links, which is why I explain gear as something akin to extra connective tissue.

The method I found is something known as ELDOA. It's a French acronym from Guy Voyer and is kinda like ME yoga. The best thing to do is to look it up on YouTube as it's impossible to explain without video.


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Thank you, I'll look it up.

[O_RYAN_007]

And in the mean time, I will also continue to work the adductors separately as well. I'm going to take a few weeks off from squatting and DLing too.

[VayneZ]

I'll be looking this up as soon as I get home as well. Thanks for asking about that Randall! Good question!

[SoCal-Nutrition]

I found a great chiro that does ART...had my psoaz issues taken care of in 1-2 visits. I could barely walk when I went in...

[Rodja]

We have liftoff. 2 caps down the hatch and going to pull.


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[SoCal-Nutrition]

GREAT...and the party begins!

[Rodja]

3/26

Sumo (w/ 54 Ace suit)
455x2x2
505x2
545x1
505x2

Walking DB Lunges
50x20
70x10x2

Unilateral Hypers/Donkey Calf Raises
BW+25x10x3/360x15x3

Band Pallof Press (light)
10x3

This was the first time I've had that much weight in my hands since my meet in August. The speed obviously wasn't what it once was, but that is completely expected. Other than that, there's not too much to comment about this session other than heavy walking DB lunges fucking suck.

[O_RYAN_007]

I found a great chiro that does ART...had my psoaz issues taken care of in 1-2 visits. I could barely walk when I went in...

Both my training partners go to a Dr. that specializes in ART. They told me I need to go, I'll try it out.

[Rodja]

3/28

Bench
135x8x3
185x6x2 (1-board)
185x6

HS Row
145x10x4

Blast Strap Row/Band Facepulls (light)
BWx8x3/15x3x3

DB Pullovers
60x10x3

Shoulder felt good enough today to where I gave bench a shot. I had to bring in my grip a finger to alleviate some of the pressure on the shoulder, but it felt really nice to actually bench again. I forgot to update this earlier, but I'm ~215 right now following a quasi-hybrid of IF and CBL. At this point in my life, IF has just become natural as I don't get hungry for several hours after I wake up in the morning and this allows me to indulge more often and it lessens some of the damage since I'm not constantly bombarding my insulin levels.

[Rodja]

3/30

Squat (w/ 46 Ace brief)
515x2
565x1 PR

GM
225x8x3

Hypers/DB Shrugs
BW+45x15x2/90x15x2
BW+45x15/100x12

Today was a fantastic day. Things felt a little off while I was working up and I nearly missed one of my unracks. I lowered the height and then everything clicked. The speed was a tad slow out of the hole and then it flew up once I was ~2" out of the hole. In hindsight, I should've taken one more set with reverse bands since I hit a good groove. However, I don't have a meet coming up and this was plenty of improvement for me.

[Rodja]

As with most fast-acting orals, I've noticed that this combo is a glycogen monster. I've been really slamming down the carbs at night (~400-450g) and staying dry in the morning. I'll weigh-in tomorrow, but I'm almost positive I'm close to 220 right now.

[Rodja]

4/1

OHP
155x8
135x12

Meadows Row
115x10x3

DB Incline Press
60x10
60x8x2

Tate Press/Pullaparts (mini)
40x10x3/20x3

It took me some time to get the shoulder set, but I was able to get rocking about 15 minutes of band and mobility work. Yesterday was ultra hectic and my eating suffered, which is why the volume today was pretty low.

It's early, but no sides to report as of now. What I have noticed is that I am very dry. I've been dosing 3 caps/day with a meal.

[Rodja]

4/2

Sumo (44 Centurion brief and 54 Ace suit)
505x2
525x2
555x1

GM
225x10
245x8x2

Walking DB Lunges
50x20x2

Band Crunches (average)/Plank
20x3/45x3

Exhausted. I'm freaking exhausted. Worked up to my highest pull in probably 6 months and could've easily gotten an extra 30-40# with some Tork and straps up. Based on my previous run with msten, it should start to kick in really soon in terms of scale. I don't weigh myself daily as I fluctuate depending on what day it is.

[SoCal-Nutrition]

btw: do we get before and afters?

[Rodja]

I have the before pics that I'll post at the end of the bottle along with the afters.

[Rodja]

4/9 Pulls


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IPFYTumOAs

Sumo (w/ 46 Ace brief)
575x1
505x5

Walking DB Lunges
50x20
70x10x2

Hypers/Banded Crunches (average)
BW+45x15x3/20x3

So, I've managed to somehow lose weight the past few days, but it didn't effect my performance today or yesterday. My appetite has been inconsistent lately as I'm either feeling really bleh or insatiable. I don't want to completely attribute this to the Stenadrol, but my guess is that it's playing a part in it. Either way, I'm not too worried as long as I continue to increase my numbers. This is the heaviest I've pulled in close to 9 months and my only critique would be speed off of the floor. My positioning was great and I felt locked in on the rep.

[VayneZ]

Rodja bro! It's really awesome to see a recent lift from you! Heavy and awesome posture as always!
Looking good bro

[Rodja]

4/11

Bench
185x5x2
205x5
Add Ram
225x5
245x5

Hammer Strength DY Rows
125x12x3

Blast Strap Extensions/Pullaparts (monster mini)
BWx12x3/20x3

HS Preacher Curls
100x15
125x10x2
125x10-drop-90x10

Lateral Complex
20x3

Last two bench sessions have been successful. Even with a shitty bar and a bench that felt like it was coated with butter I was able to increase my numbers from my last session. Using the Ram at that light of a weight helped me to reawaken the motor program and have to pull the bar down and drive my heels into the floor.

That being said, the sides the last few days have really kicked in. I'm pretty damn lethargic, my sleep is very shallow, and my appetite is virtually nil right now.

[Rodja]

4/13 Squat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq9FZom4Ldk

Squat
600x2
650x1
690x1 (reverse light band)

Ab Wheel/Planks
BWx10x3/30x3

I haven't had this much weight on my back in a LONG time. In all truthfulness, the last set looked like garbage. The unrack was better than I expected, but my knees shot forward from keeping my torso too upright instead of sitting back into the suit. I'm happy that my squat has started moving up again after about a year of stagnation.

[Rodja]

4/15

OHP
170x5
140x12
140x11

BB Rows
225x10
245x10
245x10+4

Incline DB Press (w/ Fat Gripz)
65x10
70x10
75x10

HS High Row
100x10
110x6x3

Cambered Curls/Side Laterals
85x10x2/35x10
85x10+5/35x15

Rolling DB Ex/Pullaparts (monster mini)
35x15x2/20x2

Absolutely exhausted after this. Did some extra volume and kicked up the intensity on some lifts as well. Adding in the FG killed my forearms and helped a bit with the contractions and stability in the shoulder. I hope I'm close to benching regularly.

[O_RYAN_007]

4/15

OHP
170x5
140x12
140x11

BB Rows
225x10
245x10
245x10+4

Incline DB Press (w/ Fat Gripz)
65x10
70x10
75x10

HS High Row
100x10
110x6x3

Cambered Curls/Side Laterals
85x10x2/35x10
85x10+5/35x15

Rolling DB Ex/Pullaparts (monster mini)
35x15x2/20x2

Absolutely exhausted after this. Did some extra volume and kicked up the intensity on some lifts as well. Adding in the FG killed my forearms and helped a bit with the contractions and stability in the shoulder. I hope I'm close to benching regularly.

When you do OHP, is it a strict OHP or do you have a little leg drive to get the bar off the chest? I tend to get a little leg drive at the bottom, but nothing like a pure push press.

[Rodja]

When you do OHP, is it a strict OHP or do you have a little leg drive to get the bar off the chest? I tend to get a little leg drive at the bottom, but nothing like a pure push press.

Strict and with a staggered stance. I no longer go to the clavicles at the bottom so I can maintain my elbow positioning. I go slightly below my chin so I can maintain my positioning and, most importantly, tension in my lats to stabilize the bar.

[Rodja]

4/16

Sumo (w/ 46 Ace brief)
415x2x5 (+80# chain)

Unilateral Leg Press
360x15x3

DB Shrugs/Hypers/Band Crunches (average)/Planks
90x15x2/BW+45x15x2/20/35x2
100x10-drop-75x15/BW+45x15/20/39

I was flat as hell today. I was half asleep walking into the gym and it didn't really get any better. I had brain fog more than just fatigue. Bar speed was a little meh on the sets and I was having issues with positioning and centration. To at least get in some good work, I decided to turn the ancillaries into conditioning work. I'm really able to get some really good contractions in my traps and erectors again, which is a great sign of potential for improvement in my numbers.On the plus side, I'm was 222.8 this morning (~7# increase since the start).

[O_RYAN_007]

Strict and with a staggered stance. I no longer go to the clavicles at the bottom so I can maintain my elbow positioning. I go slightly below my chin so I can maintain my positioning and, most importantly, tension in my lats to stabilize the bar.

What's you typical grip width?

[Rodja]

What's you typical grip width?

Slightly inside of the rings. When I end up spreading the bar, they move out to on top of the rings.

[O_RYAN_007]

Slightly inside of the rings. When I end up spreading the bar, they move out to on top of the rings.

Thanks for the reply.

[Rodja]

I'm not sure how people would use this solo without some form of test base. The lethargy on this has been really hitting me hard lately.

[Rodja]

4/18 Bench

Bench
225x5x2 1-board
245x5x2 2-board
275x5 (Ram)
295x3 (Ram)

HS Pronated Row
170x12x3

Meadows Row
90x12x3

Tate Press/Pullparts (monster mini)
40x15/20
50x10x2/20x2

Hammer Curls/Side Laterals/Rear Laterals
50x10x2/35x10x2/30x10x2

Bench numbers are climbing and aren't too far off from previous numbers. As a result of the layoff, the pec is a little tight, but that'll fix itself relatively quickly. I do need to work on my technique and speed, which I expected. Other than that, everything is going along nicely. PRs will be broken very soon.

[Rodja]

4/21 Lower

DE Box Squat (low-bar, 1" above parallel)
295x2x6

SLDL
315x8x3

Walking DB Lunges
50x20x2

DB Side Bends
80x10
90x10
100x10

For S&G's ,I popped 12.5mg ephedrine with ~1.25 scoops of Alphamine pre-training and I was freaking flying. I knocked out the entire session including warming up in just a bit over an hour. Speed felt great and my hips are still feeling great thanks to ELDOA.

Rounding the home stretch here and this is the last week of the bottle. I'll post by final review and pics next week.

[joe1313]

I'm not sure how people would use this solo without some form of test base. The lethargy on this has been really hitting me hard lately.

Any other sides besides lethargy?I was thinking of running it with TR3ST. Are you dosing 4 caps?

[Rodja]

Any other sides besides lethargy?I was thinking of running it with TR3ST. Are you dosing 4 caps?

3 caps for the majority of it until about 4 days ago. Not going to lie, it hasn't been the greatest experience from a compound. It's not M1T level of sides, but definitely more than the orals I've run in the past (including msten solo).

[Rodja]

4/22

OHP
170x5
145x11

Kroc Row
145x15 (+2 over last week)

Incline DB Press (w/ Fat Gripz)
65x10
75x10x3

Lat Pulldowns
200x10x2
220x8

Cambered Curls/Pullaparts (monster mini)
95x10x2/20x2
95x10-drop-75x8/20

Pressdowns/Side Laterals
100x15x2/35x15x2

You know, sometimes I'm an idiot and get off-track. Looking back at my old training, I've noticed that I get stronger and maintain health when I have a high amount of shoulder volume. None of it is heavy outside of the OHP, but the amount of overall work done increases mass and, ergo, stability of the joint. Not coincidentally, I've been getting healthier and stronger since I've started blasting my delts 2x/week.

[Rodja]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE8YpQXLeTg

I'll just leave this here. That's 600#, BTW, and a PR.

[O_RYAN_007]

4/22

OHP
170x5
145x11

Kroc Row
145x15 (+2 over last week)

Incline DB Press (w/ Fat Gripz)
65x10
75x10x3

Lat Pulldowns
200x10x2
220x8

Cambered Curls/Pullaparts (monster mini)
95x10x2/20x2
95x10-drop-75x8/20

Pressdowns/Side Laterals
100x15x2/35x15x2

You know, sometimes I'm an idiot and get off-track. Looking back at my old training, I've noticed that I get stronger and maintain health when I have a high amount of shoulder volume. None of it is heavy outside of the OHP, but the amount of overall work done increases mass and, ergo, stability of the joint. Not coincidentally, I've been getting healthier and stronger since I've started blasting my delts 2x/week.

Besides hitting delts on OHP days, when is the other day you train them, after bench?

[Rodja]

Besides hitting delts on OHP days, when is the other day you train them, after bench?

Yes, it's mainly lighter band or DB work consisting of mainly pullaparts and various laterals.

[Rodja]

4/25

Bench
225x5 1-board
245x5 1-board
Add Ram
275x3
315x1
Add Shirt to 2-board
365x2
405x2
425x2
455x1x2

HS Row
145x10x4

Blast Strap Tri Ex/Band Pulldowns (light)
BWx10/15
BWx10/12
BWx10/8

Pullaparts (light)
12x3

Lateral Complex
20x6x3

Today was almost like being in a shirt for the first time again. I had good strength on the lifts, but speed and tightness were an issue (no ****). I'm not able to fully retract the scapula and it effected my ability to stay right in the lats after the liftoff. It'll come in time, though.

I wrote 3 specific goals for this year:
705 squat
501 bench
601 deadlift

So far, I've hit the 601 pull. Granted, I should've gotten that **** a year ago, but better later then never. Squats are moving up and I'll be giving 700 a whirl straps up in a month or so. I'm giving myself 2 months of shirt work before I'm getting back to my old numbers.

[Rodja]

4/27 Squat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATx1viz5dV8

Hack Squat
225x10x2
315x8x2

Hypers/Standing Band Crunches/Hanging Leg Raises
BW+45x15x3/20x3/BWx10x3

Straps up for the first time since my last meet, which was in August. I didn't feel nearly as rough as I expected and my unrack looked much better than last time I did this weight a couple of weeks ago. 705 is the goal for the year and I'm on the right track to get there.

[Rodja]

Sten - Imgur (http://imgur.com/a/ipZHL)

After are the top 5 and befores are the bottom 5.

[Rodja]

FINAL REVIEW

I'll break this up into three categories: experience while running it, strength, and body comp

Experience
Frankly, this was a very, very rough ride for me. Within a week, the lethargy hit hard and it didn't really let up. I know that it's due to the potency of the product, so be prepared to be eating a shitload of carbs to keep glycogen high and stave off some of the lethargy. 5/10

Strength
I broke through a long-standing deadlift plateau and hit 600 smoothly. This was the most significant PR with some other smaller ones sprinkled in there. I comfortably hit ~655 on squat as well, which may be a PR for me at this weight, but I can't recall. 8/10

Body Comp
I leaned out while gaining ~6# during the run. I didn't take any BF% at any point, but it's evident from the pics that BF was dropped. 9/10

Overall, this is far from a beginner product and would consider it a more advanced product. Ideally, this needs to be run with some form of test and/or DHT base to mitigate some of the sides.

[VayneZ]

Sten - Imgur (http://imgur.com/a/ipZHL)

After are the top 5 and befores are the bottom 5.

Missed these pics when I last checked. Rodja, awesome transformation for such a short run!!!! Lats def came out more clearly, thinner waist! And looking way harder than before!

You've been carb back loading every day of the week? Or only on lift days?? And for how many hours a day?

[burlyman30]

Nice job, Rodja. Have you taken a standard methyl sten product before and if so, how would you compare them?

[Rodja]

Missed these pics when I last checked. Rodja, awesome transformation for such a short run!!!! Lats def came out more clearly, thinner waist! And looking way harder than before!

You've been carb back loading every day of the week? Or only on lift days?? And for how many hours a day?

Each day and somewhere between 3-6 hours depending on when I train on a given day. Sundays are the days of the biggest backloads as I'm done training by ~5 and gorge until bed.


Nice job, Rodja. Have you taken a standard methyl sten product before and if so, how would you compare them?

I've taken Ultradrol up to 20mg/day. The synergy between the two compounds at 3 caps/day really kicked my ass. I'd say without a doubt that you'd need to be running a solid bulk with a lot of carbs throughout the day.