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Jack O'Neill
01-05-2015, 04:46 AM
Hi all,

it's a long time I didn't post here. Too much work in my personal and professional life.

As I planned several months ago, I decided to start a test-e cycle for 12 weeks and cancel & forget PH pills :cool:

Here's my plan :
Week 1-10 : Test-e 2x250mg / week
Week 2-12 : HCG 2x250mg/week
Week 1-12 : Anstrozole 0.5mg EOD
PCT
Week 13-16 : Torem 60mg ED + Clomid 50mg ED

I'm coached for the diet part by 3J (if you know him)

For the moment, ma caloric total is about 4500kCal and all days are the same. 2 cheat meals each week (but I don't like junk food, so it's rather difficult for me). It's rather a 5000kCal day for me !
I eat beef, pasta, whole bread, tortillas, a bit of Olive Oil and nuts for fat.

My training is based onto a pyramidal workout.

I will post here each week to give my feelings about this cycle. I will post a summary of my workouts each week to see if my perfs are increasing

Here are my starting stats :

Weight : 99.4kg
Waist : 93cm (I'd say about BF18.5%)
Height : 187cm

Pictures at the start of the cycle (beginning of January)
13701371

Perfs at start
1386

These sets are just a part of all sets I do in a week (these one are the main exercises)

Measurements at start :
Forearm : 31.2cm
Bicep (not flexed) : 37.7cm
Chest : 106cm
Shoulders : 133cm
Thigh : 64.7cm
Calf : 40.6cm

Jack O'Neill
01-05-2015, 04:59 AM
First day :

I did my first test-e shot this morning. I was pretty anxious before the shot but It was not painfull at all !!
I use 21 to pull and 25 to shoot.

After injection I had a little pain in the right buttock, in the site of injection. and after several hours, the little pain moved to the right thigh.
Does it mean that liquid is slowly climbing down my body ????

No other comments excepted that.

hossam
01-05-2015, 06:13 AM
enjoy the ultimate libido journey!
i am currently on test e and other stuff, but the test E is incredible for the sex drive
i want to have sex each time i see women! :)
for the pain will disappear in 2 days
and avoid the salt completely as it will increase the water retention
for me test E is the top of its class

Freepressright
01-05-2015, 07:38 AM
Hi all,

it's a long time I didn't post here. Too much work in my personal and professional life.

As I planned several months ago, I decided to start a test-e cycle for 12 weeks and cancel & forget PH pills :cool:

Here's my plan :
Week 1-10 : Test-e 2x250mg / week
Week 2-12 : HCG 2x250mg/week
Week 1-12 : Anstrozole 0.5mg EOD
PCT
Week 13-16 : Torem 60mg ED + Clomid 50mg ED

I'm coached for the diet part by 3J (if you know him)

For the moment, ma caloric total is about 4500kCal and all days are the same. 2 cheat meals each week (but I don't like junk food, so it's rather difficult for me). It's rather a 5000kCal day for me !
I eat beef, pasta, whole bread, tortillas, a bit of Olive Oil and nuts for fat.

My training is based onto a pyramidal workout.

I will post here each week to give my feelings about this cycle. I will post a summary of my workouts each week to see if my perfs are increasing

Here are my starting stats :

Weight : 99.4kg
Waist : 93cm (I'd say about BF18.5%)
Height : 187cm

50mg is a hefty dose of Clomid by itself. 50mg plus 60 of torem is way more than you need. I know a good many guys who PCT just fine on a 25mg dose of Clomid daily. Just something to think about.

Jack O'Neill
01-05-2015, 08:01 AM
Thanks! Can't wait... :cool:

Jack O'Neill
01-05-2015, 08:37 AM
50mg is a hefty dose of Clomid by itself. 50mg plus 60 of torem is way more than you need. I know a good many guys who PCT just fine on a 25mg dose of Clomid daily. Just something to think about.
My second idea was to take
Torem 60/60/30/30
Clomid 50/50/50/50

Maybe better?

Freepressright
01-05-2015, 10:25 AM
My second idea was to take
Torem 60/60/30/30
Clomid 50/50/50/50

Maybe better?

From my experience and what I've seen from others, 50mg is actually more Clomid than you need and sometimes brings on emotional sides and such. I've never done combo therapy (Clomid WITH another SERM, for example) but if I'd dial anything back, it would be the Clomid, to 25.

Others can chime in here and tell me if they think I'm off base, but that's my personal opinion. I just don't want to see you inviting a bunch of unwanted sides.

weekend
01-05-2015, 10:27 AM
I did super well this pct on 60 torem 12.5 clomid.

Stayed on 12.5 clomid for 40 days and 60 torem for 60 days

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Before and after pics!!'

Freepressright
01-05-2015, 10:39 AM
What did you notice on the combo SERM therapy, Weekend?

Jack O'Neill
01-05-2015, 11:41 AM
I did super well this pct on 60 torem 12.5 clomid.

Stayed on 12.5 clomid for 40 days and 60 torem for 60 days

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Before and after pics!!'
Thx for the advice.

I will.post pics of course. I take pics front and back 2/week for my coach. It'll be very easy

Bucks
01-05-2015, 09:56 PM
Jack great to see you back man. Hope you have some women around for this run LOL!
The muscle will get used to the injections after a few .

SoCal-Nutrition
01-05-2015, 10:24 PM
welcome back buddy!

sub'd

Jack O'Neill
01-05-2015, 10:43 PM
Jack great to see you back man. Hope you have some women around for this run LOL!
The muscle will get used to the injections after a few .
Hi Bucks. Great to read you!

I'm just with my wife here :) I may find an extra gf :o

My pain is almost gone this morning. Good news

BBG
01-05-2015, 11:25 PM
Good luck on your run! Glad to see you posting again.

Jelisej
01-06-2015, 04:41 PM
Glad to have you back!
IMO, you should do HCG 3X 250, 2X will not suffice, also you may go with 2X 300 mg of test e, as you're not using any other compound
agree with others that 50mg of clomid is overkill, 75 mg a week should suffice, wheter you want to do it daily, EOD or 3X a week is up to you.
Also you still may need a tiny dose of AI in PCT, preferably exem

Good luck with cycle bro'!

weekend
01-06-2015, 05:43 PM
Follow Jels advice. I like 300 hcg mwf.

You could even bump the test a little higher as long as you're willing to dose exem solidly.

25 clomid eod is awesome along with torem

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Follow Jels advice. I like 300 hcg mwf.

You could even bump the test a little higher as long as you're willing to dose exem solidly.

25 clomid eod is awesome along with torem

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Clomid makes me feel like crap if I take more than 12.5 a day FPR. Torem helps more with symptoms but clomid treats the numbers better. So I combine both. Good pct but bloods are meh this Monday, 668 ng/dl with non-elevated LH FSH. Low estro. Gonna do another pct after a month off most of these supps.

Jelisej
01-06-2015, 06:03 PM
Clomid makes me feel like crap if I take more than 12.5 a day FPR. Torem helps more with symptoms but clomid treats the numbers better. So I combine both. Good pct but bloods are meh this Monday, 668 ng/dl with non-elevated LH FSH. Low estro. Gonna do another pct after a month off most of these supps.

Yes, its better smaller doses of clomid, less sides amd combining with other SERM is good, lot of people are happy that way

Non elevated LH FSH does not signal alarm IMO- especially as E2 is low, given time it may go up- even after PCT it still can take time to reach pre-cycle levels,
also there are other possibilities -maybe in past you had high testosterone but maybe it was not "metabolising" well, now maybe your DHT is higher,
maybe your overall metabolism speeded up so testosterone is more used,
only time will tell..

Jack O'Neill
01-08-2015, 02:25 AM
Thanks all for your advices.

I will start my PCT with 60 for TOREM and 25 for Clomid. Will down to 12.5 if sides are annoying.

Today, 2nd shot with 250mg of test-e. I shot too slowly this time and it was a bit more painfull than monday ! next time I shot quickly !

Nothing to say for the moment. According to all posts I won't feel anything before 2 weeks.
However my weight has upped a bit this morning (reached 100.3kg). Water I think. I completely stopped salt (Anyway I rarely use it)

Jack O'Neill
01-12-2015, 12:36 PM
Week 2/12.

3rd shot this morning. Pain is gone away after 2 hours.
I took 250mg of HCG with insuline needle 29G
Btw how do you do? Do you change needle between pull and shot?

Weight 101.4kg
Waist 94cm

tallstraw
01-12-2015, 01:19 PM
Something isn't working right...there shouldn't be pain at all from the shot..what kind of test are you using, ugl, pharma, homebrew? It shouldn't hurt, maybe the BA is too high? If anything it should be sore late in the day/next morning. Not painful during the shot, or for a few hours after before it subsides..that's wierd.

longBallLima
01-12-2015, 01:46 PM
What size needle are you using?

Jack O'Neill
01-12-2015, 02:54 PM
21G to pull and 25G to shoot

KAB111
01-12-2015, 05:01 PM
I changed to a 25 and it only makes my ass or leg sore if I wiggle and move around a ton!! HA! Sometimes if I push the oil too fast Ill get a lump that will get a little sore but nothing that isnt tolerable.

Just changed to 27 1" and you cant even feel it. Need a 1ml syringe or its too damn hard to push.

Jack O'Neill
01-12-2015, 10:31 PM
I don't feel anything with a 25

nate3993
01-13-2015, 04:14 AM
^^^^^^


I thought it was about dem 30's and 29's and 27, really went crazy with that, because I thought anything bigger was huge.....but then I discovered dem 25's...and my life was changed....didn't take FOREVER like with the 30's.



Maybe it's da pharma test that makes it not hurt??

KAB111
01-13-2015, 06:44 AM
Jack... Haven't seen you comment on 3j. How do you like his service?

Jack O'Neill
01-13-2015, 08:15 AM
Jack... Haven't seen you comment on 3j. How do you like his service?
6 months with him. And what I can say is.... Wow :D

I believed I was masterizing diet but I was far away of the reality !

I'm now near to 4500kCal and I naturally gained a few kilos. Didn't manage this myself even with PHs

I start this cycle with him and I'm strongly confident.

He's great. Back to the bodybuilding roots and forget all new diets

KAB111
01-13-2015, 08:43 AM
Keeping it simple seems to ALWAYS work! Good to hear! All you need to do now is lift and sleep! Kill it!

Jack O'Neill
01-14-2015, 12:40 AM
Keeping it simple seems to ALWAYS work! Good to hear! All you need to do now is lift and sleep! Kill it!
Lift, sleep and eat! Sometimes hard to eat as much as food! I don't used to eat so much

Jack O'Neill
01-14-2015, 12:21 PM
Day 9

No changes concerning strength or body

No pain

Jack O'Neill
01-15-2015, 10:43 AM
4th shot this morning
This afternoon 30mn of cardio and this is strange but it was very easy

Does test-e improve cardio capacities????

hossam
01-15-2015, 11:12 AM
4th shot this morning
This afternoon 30mn of cardio and this is strange but it was very easy

Does test-e improve cardio capacities????

yes it does raise all your strength and enhances your full performance

weekend
01-15-2015, 11:27 AM
Keep up the cardio on cycle.

If you don't do any for a while then gain 20 lbs of mass it becomes super hard. Not so if you do it like eod

Jack O'Neill
01-15-2015, 12:08 PM
Keep up the cardio on cycle.

If you don't do any for a while then gain 20 lbs of mass it becomes super hard. Not so if you do it like eod
I do 30mn of cardio bike and 2x2h of karate for a week

Jack O'Neill
01-15-2015, 01:13 PM
I believed that cardio was not the friend of a good mass gain?

Interesting. Can you explain why cardio is so important ? To not gain too much fat I suppose?

Scope75
01-15-2015, 02:50 PM
I don't think weekend it talking about crazy cardio but just some LISS. On Treadmill a nice and easy pace at max incline and just peddling a bike at a nice easy pace with some resistance is perfect.

If you wanted to do some HIIT I'd do it after your cheat meals.

Jack O'Neill
01-15-2015, 03:14 PM
I just do LISS cardio. Karate is different, it's rather...dynamic

Scope75
01-15-2015, 03:26 PM
Karate is a sport and way more than cardio.
Your eating plenty so you should be recovering fine from any workout.

weekend
01-15-2015, 03:57 PM
Cardio will never impede mass gain on cycle. Just don't do more than 40 minutes at any given time.

Trust me, you'll feel better about the results if you can move your body without fatigue.

Try the rowing machine too lol

weekend
01-15-2015, 04:00 PM
And no, not for fat loss. It's for endurance and efficiency of using your new muscle. Feel free to chow down after your cardio to make up for it. It also conditions your heart to support the new mass.

Jack O'Neill
01-19-2015, 03:47 AM
Week 3/12

5th injection this morning (test-e + HCG)

Weight 101.5kg
Waist 93.5cm

Increase in the figures and I feel larger in thé mirror. Nothing about strength increase. Too soon I think

One question about HCG
I pull HCG from the vial via a slin and I use it to shot immediately.
I know this is not the best solution 'cause the needle is used but how do you do?

KAB111
01-19-2015, 09:58 PM
I do it the same way. Are you having probs with that? I don't feel hardly a prick and rarely leaves a mark.

3 rd week right? You'll start to feel strength, alpha, and size this week. Were about the same size and I felt best @ 750. Suppose that depends on how good your gear is but mine was very reputable.

Jack O'Neill
01-20-2015, 05:37 AM
I do it the same way. Are you having probs with that? I don't feel hardly a prick and rarely leaves a mark.

3 rd week right? You'll start to feel strength, alpha, and size this week. Were about the same size and I felt best @ 750. Suppose that depends on how good your gear is but mine was very reputable.
No marks at all for me. It was just a question to know if there is a risk to keep the same needle to pull and to push

For a first cycle I prefer to keep low dosage of 500mg. Maybe 750 for an eventual next cycle

Jack O'Neill
01-20-2015, 11:46 PM
Karate yesterday night. Amazing energy after a long job day.
High energy and motivation ! I wanted to continue all the night :) Great self confidence. I was ready to fight anybody!

Is this what you call Alpha?

KAB111
01-21-2015, 12:07 AM
Yep..... and it gets nothing but better from here bro. It will eventually plateau but you got aways before that happens. Have fun with it!!!

Jack O'Neill
01-22-2015, 04:35 AM
This morning :
Weight 102.5kg
Waist 94cm

Mu weight clearly upped though my waist didn't up.
The best for me is to decrease my waist in keeping my weight

Shoulders workout yesterday. Didn't notice anything. Training as usual

However I clearly see a différence in the mirror. Even if I'm too fat like a.pig :(

I did a mistake in my injection this morning. I forgot to replace my 21g needle by the 25g.
This is strange but it was a bit harder to shot but really no painful at all. Strange

Jack O'Neill
01-23-2015, 03:31 PM
This afternoon, Arms workout
Easier than usual.
+25mn of home bike...very easy...not.as usual.:)

Scope75
01-23-2015, 03:58 PM
Have or will you be doing any bloodwork?
Any before, during, or after your cycle?

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And where's all the progress pics?? ;)

Jack O'Neill
01-24-2015, 01:55 AM
Have or will you be doing any bloodwork?
Any before, during, or after your cycle?

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And where's all the progress pics?? ;)
Great to read you again Scope75

I did bloodwork before and it was fine. Planned to do another one after PCT

Yes I will update my first post with pics asap ;)

Do you still follow Carb backloading diet? I Personnaly gave up one year ago and came back to the roots

Scope75
01-24-2015, 07:40 AM
Yeah I was gone and now im back and in full force for 2015.

Good deal on the pics. Want to see how swole and lean you get.

Still follow CNS/CBL.
Might not be the best diet but it's easy and enjoyable for me to follow and stick with.

Good run so far and I'll be following along

Jack O'Neill
01-26-2015, 01:40 AM
Week 4
Test-e and HCG shots this morning

Weight 102.9kg
Waist 94.5cm

Fat is still upping.

No side effects for.the moment. Sometimes my nipples are a bit sensitive but it doesn't last long

Sex drive is up! :-)
Strength is up too. It was easier than usual with chest yesterday.

Jelisej
01-26-2015, 04:55 PM
Your E2 is reaching critical level (nipple sensitivity), and that also mean that you are holding more water- so maybe you're not gaining fat, its just water- its normal to get inch or two around waist which will dissapear in PCT.

Jack O'Neill
01-27-2015, 02:18 AM
Start pictures uploaded in the first post

Jack O'Neill
01-28-2015, 11:55 PM
Weight 103.1kg
Waist 94kg

Waist decreased, Weight increased ! Great !

My feelings after 4 weeks of cycle ( + or - ):
+ No side effects at all
- No real strength increase (workouts seem to be a bit easier than usual. psychologic or true ???)
+ Cardio much more easy than usual. Very amazing
+ Sex drive up :p
+ Weight up

Jack O'Neill
02-02-2015, 11:55 PM
9th shot. Strange 'cause it was the last dose of my vial.
9x1ml=10ml? Wtf??

Maybe I shot more than 1ml each time??

Whatever my cycle will last less long than planned. About 11 weeks instead of 12

Workouts are clearly easier. I'm not as strong as Superman but my last chest training was easier. It"s cool

No side effects at all

Jack O'Neill
02-03-2015, 01:54 AM
Perfs last week :
1387

Didn't do legs previous week because my left leg is painfull !! (bad kick in karate :( )

KAB111
02-03-2015, 06:14 AM
"9th shot. Strange 'cause it was the last dose of my vial.
9x1ml=10ml? Wtf??"

Is there any being left in the barrel or needle? I've had some pins that seem to waste more than others. That maybe why your short!

Jelisej
02-03-2015, 07:31 AM
If its UGL, than you're lucky as usually is bit less than 9 ml.

Jack O'Neill
02-03-2015, 09:01 AM
"9th shot. Strange 'cause it was the last dose of my vial.
9x1ml=10ml? Wtf??"

Is there any being left in the barrel or needle? I've had some pins that seem to waste more than others. That maybe why your short!
No. Nothing left :(

Jack O'Neill
02-03-2015, 09:02 AM
If its UGL, than you're lucky as usually is bit less than 9 ml.
Good to know!

Next time I will take 3x10ml to be ON for 10 full weeks

Jack O'Neill
02-04-2015, 11:21 PM
This morning :
Weight 104kg - UP !
Waist 94cm - STEADY !

Still no side effects. Yesterday, Shoulders workout. Not exceptional... A bit tired

Jack O'Neill
02-04-2015, 11:26 PM
Measurements in the middle of the cycle :

Forearm : 32cm
Bicep : 38.5cm
Chest : 109.8cm
Shoulders : 134.5cm
Thigh : 65.4cm
Calf : 42cm

Jack O'Neill
02-09-2015, 12:31 AM
Very amazing chest workout yesterday!

I upped all sets with 1.5kg and I successfully finished all sets... Easily I'd say :)

Test is kicking now !

Jack O'Neill
02-12-2015, 02:13 AM
Week 7

This morning :
Weight 104.7kg
Waist 95cm

Waist has increased this week. However no changes in my diet... Body reacts strangely sometimes

My left knee is very painfull since 4 days (probably tendinitis). No way to do LEG workout this afternoon :(

weekend
02-12-2015, 11:25 AM
Are you using an AI?

Jack O'Neill
02-12-2015, 11:37 AM
Are you using an AI?
Yes Anastrozole 0.25mg eod but my coach adviced me to up to 0.5 eod

Do you think AI is drying my joints?

weekend
02-12-2015, 12:46 PM
Possibly you should keep at .25 and get bloods

Jack O'Neill
02-19-2015, 07:41 AM
Week 8

This morning :

Weight : 105.3kg
Waist 94.2cm

Still no side effects. I'm stronger than usual but I don't feel like Superman or Hulk ;-)
My left knee is less painfull but it's still difficult to do legs workout. I will try tonight.... Just a try

weekend
02-19-2015, 01:15 PM
Week 8

This morning :

Weight : 105.3kg
Waist 94.2cm

Still no side effects. I'm stronger than usual but I don't feel like Superman or Hulk ;-)
My left knee is less painfull but it's still difficult to do legs workout. I will try tonight.... Just a try



With knee pain I recommend doing legs like this.

Deadlift
Calves
Straight leg deadlift
Body weight lunges till you get a burn 4-5 times, stop if painful
Then as your last workout 3 sets of 20 of very light leg extensions, stop if painful

Jack O'Neill
02-19-2015, 01:25 PM
Thanks for the advice Weekend but my knee is painfull and behind my knee too when I'm not warm

I managed to do squats, leg extensions and calves with NO pain. I'm happy

Knee is now.painfull only when it's not flexed in a good way (if you understand what I mean ;-)

But I'm really happy. Perfs are there and it was easy

Jack O'Neill
03-05-2015, 04:29 AM
9th week.

This morning was my last shot. My vials have definitely only 9cl.

I will start my PCT in 2 weeks

This week was hard 'cause of flu :( I did however all my Workouts with great perfs ! Big thanks to my cycle ;-) but did no cardio

Result this morning
Weight 105kg
Waist 95cm

My feelings are good :
Strength UP
Sex drive Very UP :-)

Tendinitis is away! Great

Jack O'Neill
03-08-2015, 06:13 AM
Bad news !

My right Achilles tendon has broken yesterday :-(

Surgery in 2 days and plaster for 6 weeks! My coach will have to quickly adapt my diet

Really bad news

Jelisej
03-08-2015, 09:02 AM
Sad to hear that, hopefully your recovery will be swift.

Jack O'Neill
03-25-2015, 02:01 AM
Some news.

I had a surgery 2 weeks ago. Plaster for 3 months.
I thought my swole dream was finished but I started upper body workout the week after surgery with no problems at all.

I finished my 1st week of PCT today and I feel good

I lost, of course, a bit of weight cause of the excellent and huge hospital food lol

So now 4 workout a week. I cant do legs of course and thats terrible for me. But my 1st aim now is to keep as much as mass during this pct

Then after, I have to cut

Will post stats soon

Happy with that :)

weekend
03-25-2015, 04:26 AM
Damn brotha! Do you think the test weakened your tendons? I wish you a speedy recovery. Did you literally snap that big ass tendon in half?

Jack O'Neill
03-25-2015, 04:31 AM
Don't think if it test., AI, not enough water or whatever

Surgeon doesn't know. What is sure it that it's really usual after 40 for sportive men.

According to the surgeon it's more due to.karate (very explosive sport especially for legs) than body building.

As for.my tendon yes, completely snatched

hossam
03-25-2015, 04:38 AM
very sad to hear! try to consume a lot of :
protein and a mix of HCL & mono creatine to keep your gains
Fish oil + multivitamin to help with rebuilding the tendon
get well soon man