Would You Use These?

[Ape McGrapes]

Got these dirt cheap on ebay. consistency and smell is of hand sanatizer.
Phantom Labs Trans-Epiandro and Trans-Andro
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[weekend]

so it smells like ethanol?

i dont know. i would expect 100 mg/ml to be a suspension not a solution.

[Ape McGrapes]

Yes it does, and I know DMSO and hand sanatizer is the poor man's transdermal carrier. There is no powder residue floating in this at all. I payed $20 for both so that says alot.

I just emailed the ebay seller with some questions.

[Ape McGrapes]

"The carrier is made from aloe, ethyl alc, dmso and vit e."

[Cobalt]

It would work, but considering a good transdermal should give you 50-60% bioavailability, I wouldn't count on it being that high.

[campcoll88]

I have seen Phantom labz also and have wondered about legitimacy

[Ape McGrapes]

I just mostly wonder abut the actives, and wether these contain Epiandrosterone/Androsterone or not. I can't lie to myself that this guy is actually testing raws, let alone actually adding them. I then think of all the guys who blindly order AAS off the internet.

[weekend]

Transdermal eh, slather it on and find out! Now I get what trans-d meant lol

[ripped218]

His prices are so cheap I'll order one try it and get back to you haha

[ripped218]

Just ordered the transdermal Epi I guess I will be the guinea pig HahA

[Bam24]

Do they come with measuring dropper or w/e?? Checked em out looks sketchy but I think I might try too. Just a few bucks wth!


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[Ape McGrapes]

No dropper. I'll pick up an oral syringe if I use this.

[Bam24]

Cool.. Bout to order.. I would prefer oral but im hesitate on ingesting stuff I hv no idea of the quality.. I know the td has better effectiveness..


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[Ape McGrapes]

I'm hesitant as fuck, but might slather some on for a week or so. See how I feel.

[Ape McGrapes]

Well I just slathered 3ml on. Only time will tell.

[Spank]

So basically worst case scenario is no gains and you've just contributed to creating the next antibiotic resistant super bacteria?
Definitely easy on the price, but I would still rather have so-cal or PG's bulk epi andro raws and mix my own up in some salvo.
Seems awful sketch. My fingers are crossed for some gains though.

[ripped218]

Well I just slathered 3ml on. Only time will tell.
Keep us updated ape

[Ape McGrapes]

I'm just going to run a few days to a week to see if anything manifests.

I actually have 20g Epiandro from socal.

[Spank]

Are you familiar enough with transdernal epiandro to estimate the concentration of epiandro based on your results? Or even compare it to a similar product? Seems interesting if it is g2g

[Ape McGrapes]

I've used Andro Hard V1, LGI Stano, LG liquid Epiandro, and E-Spray.

Andro Hard was the only one to truly impress. I do think I'll be able to notice if this is doing anything at all. I know what to look/feel for.

[ripped218]

anything to report yet ape?

[Bam24]

I won a bid but won't let me checkout bcuz shipping isn't set up or sum thin. I've sent 2 msgs still no reply.... 😔


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[ripped218]

All my transactions went through no problem for me now we wait

[Bam24]

Got. It sorted out.. Which seller did u go with I noticed there were 2 after I purchased. :/. Cepcan2. And jtalley


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[ripped218]

I went to Jtalley the other guy didn't have any reviews so I find that sketchy

[Bam24]

Yeah I screwed up there but I've been in touch with jtalley nice guy.. Fast responses


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[ripped218]

Which product did you win?

[Bam24]

I got some of his Epiandro to try/compare it to proven stuff... Prob gonna try dmz if this is gtg not sure yet. It'll prob be here mid next week.!


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[ripped218]

make sure and keep us updated on your results, I will as well. This will be the official product review thread for Phantom Labz

[Bam24]

Will do ! GL! Haha


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[db123]

Various names but still looked to be same origan when recieved. Have ordered but not used the apperance changes with product as should and dermals look to have product suspended. Hope gtg will be awhile before research.

[db123]

well anybody know are they G2G or should i dispose off what i got???????????

[Bam24]

Not sure yet here still hvnt received.. If u do dispose of em. Send em my way ;). Lol. No sense in wasting


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[Ape McGrapes]

IDK yet. Giving one more day of testing and I think that'll be on week. I'll have a mini review then.

[ripped218]

Ape you are killing me here haha

[ripped218]

But. I'm guessing since you are still on them you must see something haha

[Ape McGrapes]

I can't say I've noticed much from thE Trans-Epiandro this past week.

Erection quality has not changed. I usually stay on 10mg Tadalafil EOD, And the synergy seemes to be there. Erections were twice as hard. The last 3 days Ive been off the tadalafil, and EQ isn't any better than it normally would be.

The heavy depression that I had been experiencing this last month has subsided significanly since I started this, but I've also been putting it out there and talking about it a bit more than I normally would.

The two times I used it at night, I had very poor to little sleep.

Day time energy, strength or aggression have not changed.

I'm going to discontinue and wait for more reviews, these are not definite enough results so far.

[Scope75]

It's only been a week...

I'd give it another week before dropping it.

[ripped218]

It seems jtalley has shut down shop I messaged him and he confirmed this once I get the products I will log them

[ripped218]

But the other seller selling phantom labz is still up but still has zero feedback

[Bam24]

Do not order from cepcan2. I had to cancel my payment I got no response. Order on the 6th. No messages no nothing so I. Called eBay yesterday and cancelled it.. And notice jtalley isn't on there with products anymore ?? Hopefully pn will bring back Epiandro. For a great price either td or oral


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[ripped218]

You saved me some money thanks bam

[Bam24]

No prob man..! If you come across any deals on epi andro or dmz lmk :) pm or w/e


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[ripped218]

Will do

[db123]

ordered quite a bit from the various names yes some took 2-3 wks but eventaualy arrived some said right in ad will take 2wks dont order unless u can wait. funny all arrived from same zipcode. Have not tryed yet waiting on reviews

[Bam24]

I'm fine waiting .. I just didn't appreciate the not responding and not letting me know much of anything.. Some form of communication would hv changed my whole experience with him jtalley was great at responding. The cepcan. Not sure if scammer or wat but no reviews or anything seems sketchy


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[db123]

cant vouch for g2g on all but seems as though a way to be down low under radar or man a group from same area pulling a big one. Did some about last year from same source end of experiment to add another 3 wks after name brand ran out and gains kept coming. to short of exp to verify. Came from same zip

[ripped218]

Db the only way to test your theory is to run what you have from him I just got my stuff from jtalley I start tomorrow will keep updates in this thread I suggest everyone else do the same

[Bam24]

*update... Finally got a msg this mornin after everything... (Cepcan2) claims items shipped.. If this is true I will be resending money when received..

So... Guess I'll run it if/when it comes in. And see what happens..( prob gonna dose at 3-400 mg..


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[ripped218]

Keep us updated bam

[ripped218]

We have another seller selling phantom labz now

[Bam24]

Can u pm me seller name? I'll check him out? Do u know if all these ppl are working together or what?


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[db123]

Waiting for a honest run results all recieved no hiding where from on labeles

[D-575]

I'm very curious with these guys, and more importantly, highly susceptible. I put an order for two transdermals myself as I wanted to see if this was the real deal. Still haven't recieved my items, however, jtalley informed me that both have been shipped. I'll keep you guys up to date.

That cepcan guy has now been selling for a while now and has ZERO feedback still. How does that work? You would think if the buyers got their products, they would leave a positive feedback. If they didn't, they would leave a negative. But neither has happened, WTF?

Now, we got a third dude pushing these Phantom Labz stuff. This is getting weirder and weirder.

[Bam24]

If u notice each time someone comes back with "phantom labz" the price goes up a few bux..


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[Ape McGrapes]

You guys are way too upset about this.

You want transdermal epiandrosterone? Go pick up a bottle of Andro300 from Platinum Nutriceuticals.

[ripped218]

Bam have you had any more communication with the cepcan guy

[Bam24]

Not since the 1 email


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[db123]

been stocking from them 3 for a 6 months when they start price way low then cycles up. Got my stk now waiting on reviews thier 11ox always sells and now 4 times what it started out. Always goes back to same players but different names

[db123]

well guys any good feedback yet???

[Bam24]

No Product yet


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[db123]

looks to be all done no more listing did they dry up or did we get taken?

[Bam24]

No clue. Hvnt even checked... Never received product thus never paid.. I now hv some andro 300 on the way from so cal.


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[db123]

Did well with with SO CAL highly recomend. Hoping PG comes back some how or SO Cal picks some powders still ok after the December 18 issue.

[D-575]

This was the biggest waste of my time. I'm letting you guys know from personal experience, don't deal with jtalley or Phantom Labz.

I ordered two items from that was supposedly shipped out first week of February. This right here made me raise a flag because he couldn't even tell me what specific date it was sent out. You would think a somewhat decent businessman would keep receipts to be able to communicate such important information.

Weeks go by and nothing. He informed me that due to the snow storm, UPS is swamped and delayed. OK, reasonable, that's understandable.

Today, I PM him saying that I have received absolutely nothing and want to know what is going on. I tell him that I don't think he even sent out the items and that he's trying to pull a fast one. He informs me stating that if I haven't received my items yet, then I won't be at all. He tells me to open up a claim and that he'll refund me.

Wow. Why did I have a feeling something like this was definitely going to happen and was way too good to be true? WTF kind of excuse is, "if you haven't received it yet, then you won't be at all."

That right there leads me to believe even if I did get my stuff, that chances are it's bunk. And considering the lack of feedback there is, even in this thread, I'm sure it is.

Whatever, I can't say I'm honestly pissed, I'm just mad I wasted the time on this venture. Welp, that's my review and I didn't even get my items.

[Bam24]

Same here luckily I cancelled before it go that far so not too much of a headache.. I recently ordered andro 300. Started it this mornin.. It smells good and dries fast.. Only complaint is the pump 1/2 pump is a ml.. Woulda been better if it was 1:1. Hard to gauge when ur right at 1/2. With the consistency of the td.. But so far so good I'll see how I'm lookin in abt 2 wks. Gonna run it at 300mg for 30 days. Near the end of im liking it and money is there I'll prob order another and run 4 more weeks..!


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[campcoll88]

just placed small order from Cepcan2.

will keep you guys posted but he has a lot of good feedback at this point.

shits dirt cheap so fuck it

[campcoll88]

Package received. All looks good but will not be able to tell if it's good until may.

[db123]

Package received. All looks good but will not be able to tell if it's good until may.

using gw ,mk and osti from said sources plus another going into 3rd week. offcycle 2 months was suppose to be cutting but weight increased.
Started 168 now 176 waist down 1.5 inch. diet clean 3 to 4lbs chicken every day basically interchanged with alotta of whole eggs. Cardio added 3 days per week. Like I said was suppose to lead to acut down to 155 for a 148 weigh in. Now I may just balloon up. More cuts noiticebal:confused:

[ragingwhoremoan]

So whats the vedict??

THEY HAVE MENT!!!

[db123]

osterine seemed g2g other products later in reasearch, but now with lg 4033(osti stopped),mk and gw right now. started 4033 today up to 181lbs now at start but waist gained 1.5 inches just food through the roof. Strength slow sleep issues and joint pain. Any feedback from others.

[ragingwhoremoan]

osterine seemed g2g other products later in reasearch, but now with lg 4033(osti stopped),mk and gw right now. started 4033 today up to 181lbs now at start but waist gained 1.5 inches just food through the roof. Strength slow sleep issues and joint pain. Any feedback from others.

What? lol

[db123]

yep been experimmenting with products from said source not sure what stuff is but defintly doing something and no liver distress signs

[campcoll88]

anybody ever try these out? Just tested a bit on monkey, and the sublingual trest taste like olive oil, cant say if its working or placebo but I do feel a bit of energy, which is something that happens when I take ment or trest...

[tallstraw]

I feel like unless you're already on cycle..you should 100% be able to feel if there's actually a hormone in there or not. Pumps, endurance, etc is normally pretty apparent. Especially for a strong compound like trest.