On cycle, no libido, need help

[Cobalt]

Alright guys, tried to deal myself, but shit isnt getting better, so here is my situation, help is needed!

Anabolics:
Since January
Trest Ace 50mg/day
Dien Ace 50mg/day

Dropped those 2 weeks ago, now on:
Test Cyp 500mg/week
Tren Ace 350mg/week

So, libido was always good, no issues. Back in early to mid February, shit started slowing down. Desire got lower until finally, I couldn't get it up. Hot girl on me, porn, nothing. I could get it up a bit, and if it was enough for sex, it would only stay hard for maybe 5 minutes.

I thought it was the meds I was on, an antidepressant, because around when this started, the brand of medication was changed and the brand wasn't very popular with side effects. I did some research and found out the meds that I was on was very well known for ED issues. A week ago, I went to the doc and got changed over to some new stuff, no problems.

Its still happening, and although it could take another 2 weeks for the old meds to leave my system, it still doesn't feel any better and it should.

My theory is that it may not have been the meds, just coincidence with something else. I'm trying to find out what the something else is. I've been using tadafil, but it doesn't help. I can get a semi boner and lose it pretty quickly. However, I'll wake up with a raging morning wood, so I know that everything still works. I've only tried having sex at night though, the day is always busy for me.

So I'm thinking that it may be estrogen. I have been on exem, but I'm starting to think that maybe its bunk or under dosed. I have a new bottle from a known good source in the mail though... hopefully that will be here soon.

I haven't had bloods done, mainly because I'm not sure what to have checked. I've been reading other low libido topics, and it seems that adrenal/thyroid issues can cause problems. This would make a lot of sense because back in february, I was clocking in at 230, but now I'm down to 215. I started to lose weight and couldn't put it back on. I've been in overkill mode at work, putting in a lot of hours, but still getting into the gym. Although I have really run myself into the ground before and I could at least get boners.

I jumped on the test cyp because I thought that maybe the trest was causing it, or maybe I had a bad bottle (it wasn't stuff I brewed, it was from pure-oils, which has sent out a couple bad bottles before). I've done 500/350 test/tren before and I couldn't keep my shit down while I was on it, so I'm really upset that it is still not doing too well.

Any advice on what to do or where to go from here? I've never had this issue before and its really starting to get into my head which won't help at all.

[Bam24]

Could be e2. But also could prolactin bcuz of the tren depending if ur source is the same this could be more potent .. Any lactating? Or liquid at all from nips? Could grab some caber.. If this is the case.. Ur exem could be underdosed.. I had issues keeping my e2 in the good area either was too high or crashed.. Get some pharma grade ancillaries not ugl.. Get a few good nights sleep... Lack of sleep and low confidence from a bad performance can make a big difference for me at least.
Any more sides besides the boner loss?
Dry, achey joints?
Moody? Excess water retention


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[weekend]

If you want your libido back asap you need to:

Drop tren immediately
Drop test dose to 200 mg/week
Add caber .25 eod
Drop all AIs
Add one of the following in a low-medium dose: masteron, stano or proviron

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Primo is also very nice on my libido. Stano not so much. Personally my favorite libido stack has been test primo proviron.

[BBG]

Just get a full spectrum hormonal panel. Otherwise were just guessing

Weekends protocol would probably work but you'd need to change up your whole cycle haha

[noneck]

^^^^^^^ yep what Weekend said a buddy of mine this happenend to a couple months ago he was on tren high dose and trest a winny ..he had same problem as you was and i told him get off the dam tren and winny so he did and he added in the same stuff weekend said and now hes back to normal!!!

[Cobalt]

Tren never bothered me that way, but I'll drop it for now. I have prami, can I use that instead of caber? Why no AI's? What would be considered a med-low dose of mast?

No puffy nips or lactating. No dry, achey joints. Been kinda moody, but stress has been high, but not until the last few weeks.

[Bam24]

I prefer caber myself but prami will work also... Best bet would be as fore mentioned to get a blood panel done. Bcuz everything is just guess work at this point.. Proviron treats me better for libido(50mg for 2wks usually gets my libido where I want it then 25 for maint. Dose.) then masteron . Masteron I feel is better for on cycle use muscle hardness, synergistic etc.


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[hossam]

my advice to you is stop the cycle immediately and start doing the following:
1- fasting for at least 8 hours a day ( to clear out all detox from your body and balance your hormonal levels )
2- get some res 100 & Toco
3- remove sugar from your diet and drop the carbs to the minimum
4- get some honey and royal jelly and use on empty stomach after you finish your daily fasting
5- Ashwaganda - Pine pollen - DAA - ZMA - D3

the same story happened to me once when i stacked the same Test Cyponate & Tren
but when i stacked Test E & Tren i had a great libido
and fasting will clear your system and returns you to normal in a matter of a week or 2
if you can handle fasting ( no food or water or anything enters your system for at least 8 hours)

[weekend]

i'm on tren now for the second time and the sides are totally different this time around. some nausea and no insomnia, barely any sweats, libido was finnicky at first and is now raging.


i think you can add the tren or one of the other compounds back in once your libido is good for a bit, the thing is you threw 3 19-nors in there and i bet prolactin is high and progesterone may be out of whack (as per jelisej's info, i am not very informed on progesterone lol)

i find mast to be a little libido negative when i get above 500 mg.

200 test and 200-300 mast will be good for the libido, but proviron will stack well with the mast or the primo. any of the three should help. mast and proviron will antagonize prolactin more than primo i think. but i admit some of this is broscience. lol

just run something light like i outlined and then you'll be good to add in ONE of the 19 nors and see if it still fucks your libido etc.
such a bummer to be on a cycle and see huge results but have way too many sides haha

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as for hossam's advice, it's also valid HOWEVER dropping my carbs can really KILL my libido sometimes especially on AAS. i have a totally broscience theory that glycogen may be related to boner quality lol

[weekend]

and if you arent using any prolactin inhibitor at all, maybe that's all you need anyway. my prolactin was out of range after 1 shot of 80 mg deca, so i can only imagine what it's like on tren without caber. (i have a good idea by how my nipples react, i'm on .25 eod and its probably still slightly out of range, but i really can't handle (or don't want to) any more dopamine agonist than this)

[hossam]

as for hossam's advice, it's also valid HOWEVER dropping my carbs can really KILL my libido sometimes especially on AAS. i have a totally broscience theory that glycogen may be related to boner quality lol

the honey contains sugar that's why i advised to drop the sugar & carbs
and the honey contains ingredients which supports libido and clears the body from any negative
substance, so adding additional carbs or sugar with the honey will be too much and it will have a negative effect on libido

[weekend]

interesting. you think having a baked potato with dinner is really going to fuck his libido though?

[hossam]

interesting. you think having a baked potato with dinner is really going to fuck his libido though?

lol! i meant to lower it down a little and no need for that extra donuts lol

[Cobalt]

Can't argue that a compound will effect you differently each cycle. Even on my stupid TNT cycle (Test/Nandrolone Deca/Tren) I did, the boners were a plenty.

I'm going to drop the tren and lower the test cyp down to 200 like you said. I've got some Mast powder, so I'll get some brewed up and just start kicking it with my Prami. I'll drop the cash on stuff if I need, but I'd rather not drop a ton on caber if I have prami and it can get the job done.

Also, why no AI weekend? Is it just not needed because of the mast? Never used masteron before so I'm not sure of its full range of use.

I'm not really concerned about changing up my cycle. I'm at the point to where I could care less about progress as long as I can keep most of my size/shape, which should be possible with 200/wk of test cyp and a cleaner diet.


As far as the bloods, what should I be looking for specifically. There are a ton of options and they get pricey quickly. Like I don't really care about my cholesterol too much, so no point in paying for that if I don't need the numbers...

[weekend]

in my experience, the mast will take care of estrogen on 200 mg/week.

however, infamy would recommend something like 25 mg of aromasin ED on 200 mg test lol

so your mileage may vary.

i would run the AI at least a week past the high dose test though just to be safe actually.

have you used mast before?

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prami is dandy, just those sides though lol

have you been taking the prami already..?

[Cobalt]

Never used mast before. I used the prami a while back, but not recently. I did take it last night and had a little libido spike this morning. Going to stay on it for a while now.
Thanks for the info

[KGPL]

Watch out with the prami. I took it and had crazy random erections. Then after prolonged use it fucked with me. I would fall asleep randomly, had libido issues, etc. Use it at a low dose and don't stay on too long.

[WesleyInman]

Sorry did anyone mention HCG?? During cycle?? Say 500iu 2x per week? My apologies if so, I did not have time to read the whole thing.

Worked like a charm for me.

Also I like to take either a script of cialis -5mgs ED while on, or even something like Epimedium 98% or as close to that as you can get (horny goat weed).

There is some research going around that would support the more erections you experience during the day, the more increase in libido you will ultimately have as a result as well.

Also that product Ultra Male RX works pretty well..by IML. The thing is, it really seeks to mimic the effects of HCG and CLOM in many ways.

What about DAA also??

Sorry to hear this man..that is NEVER any fun.

[Cobalt]

Thanks wes, I have cialis (tada) but it has only been going into effect with morning wood. Nothing else would work throughout the day.
I haven't looked at any test boosters like DAA because I do have Test Cyp, and I'd rather run it knowing that I have test in my system than drop it and try to recover. That being said, would it make a difference if I was pinning test? I think I've asked it before and was told it would be a waste on gear.


I'm thinking that it may be either estrogen or prolactin. Right after making my first post, I found a bottle of Letro with one last dose, so I took it to knock the estrogen down, letro has always been gold for me. I also took some prami right before bed. Woke up with raging wood this morning and the need to fuck lasted for a good 30 mins after getting up, which is an improvement.

The big achievement was I was able to bust a nut today, for the first time in over a month. Didn't fuck anyone, just some porn, lol. Major step in the right direction, but still don't have that constant desire.

Will try and get in for some bloods soon, thanks again bros.

[BBG]

Cardinal rule broken, started dosing 2 compounds at once now we don't know which did what! Also you're out of Letrozole so you'll know if it's the prami evenutally

[Cobalt]

Yes, I didn't want to, but this is really getting in my head and I decided to hit both and let the bloods shine more light on it.

[weekend]

it was the prami. lol

[Cobalt]

I'm honestly thinking it is. I didn't realize that the trest and dien were both 19nor. I nearly shit myself when you pointed that out, so prolactin is probably high.
I normally don't have estro issues unless I'm in pct.

[entropy]

Any updates, Cobalt? How's it hanging? Pun intended.




No homo.

[Cobalt]

Any updates, Cobalt? How's it hanging? Pun intended.




No homo.

Lol, doing better. I've been stupid busy at work, so I haven't been on here much. I'll type up more details when I get the chance.

[Cobalt]

Alright, things have been doing better. Not great, but better. Estrogen and Prolactin were both fucking high as hell. That was also after a dose of letro, so Ican only imagine how high it was prior to taking the bloods.

Been running the 200mg/wk of test C and 200mg/wk of Mast E. I started on the mast about 7-10 days ago, so still waiting on the full effects to kick in. I've been feeling the positive effects over the past couple days, looking forward to the full effects. I'm still taking exem daily at a low dose to help keep the estrogen in line. Ive also been taking Prami at .4mg/day for the last 3 weeks, no side effects so far, keeping my fingers crossed that it stays that way.

I ordered some Pine pollen and Tongkat Ali that should be here soon, going to start up on those and see how they do. Probably going to get some Tribulus too. Been taking Boron as well. I should thank FPR for all that.

Got laid about 4 times in the past 2 weeks. Been good and meh. The last time I had trouble getting it up, but when I did I came pretty fast. But after waiting about 20 minutes, I got a raging boner and blew her mind and my nuts. I'm pretty sure it was the prami that caused that, lol.

I want to get my bloods checked again, but I'm not sure how long I should wait. Two weeks? A month?
I seem to be on the right path, so I'm pretty excited.

[weekend]

How high is high as hell? Haha


Glad to hear you're moving towards the right direction. I think it takes at least 6 weeks to
Really kill prolactin.

[Cobalt]

Getting kinda pissed now. Libido has been dead for the past couple days now and I've been tired as hell. Getting kinda tired of this crap.

I'm ready to just drop the anabolics and jump straight into PCT. I've got 3 months of Clomid and some natty test boosters ready to go. Makes no sence any more to me. I'm also down a whopping 25 pounds in the past 2 months, I just don't get it.

[hossam]

yes, you should drop all AS and start recovering ASAP

[nate3993]

Dam. Sounds terrible. 200 test 80 tren.....is pretty great.....love low dosed

[Bam24]

Ouch... Yeah being "on". Its not worth not being able to screw. :/. I went thru something similar I dropped cold turkey and jumped on pct sex is more important than gains. IMO 😉


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[Cobalt]

Yes, poor performance in bed is horrible. I think the fact that I've lost so much weight even when on was the last straw. Something else is playing a factor in all of this, so kicking the gear and going natty should help point me in the right direction.

[Bam24]

U may need an extended pct to solidify your recovery.. Depending on how shutdown you are. Everyone reacts different unfortunately so standard protocol might not be enough GL!

Get blood tests done!!
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[BBG]

Bunk test??

[Cobalt]

Bunk test??

Not at all, good stuff. Guy I bought it from was running the same stuff from the same batch and had great results.

Went ahead and started taking clomid. I have a ton of it and I know the test cyp will take a while to burn off, but I don't want to waste a day of recovery. I also got 300g of pine pollen and 10g of tongkat ali. I'm going to mega dose the pine pollen at 6 grams a day and see how things go. I already did it last night and this morning with 100mg of the tongkat. I got raging wood only an hour after taking it this morning and a huge desire to fuck, so either my head is fucking with me or it works with a mega dose like they claim.

I also got some Nettle Root, it was part of a package deal. Nettle Root is supposed to reduce SHBG. I never thought about it, but if my SHBG is really high, pinning test could be kinda pointless because it will just start binding to all the test, right?

[weekend]

Did you get bloods showing elevated test? Also curious how high e2 and prolactin were? Want to see numbers!

Shbg doesn't necessarily inactivate testosterone and no one ever makes enough shbg to eliminate effects of supra physiological doses.