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Thanksgiving
04-04-2015, 05:07 PM
I'm 90% recovered from finasferide which I stopped taking four years ago.

I can get full erections finally and can have great sex now when using Viagra.

I'm following CDsnuts protocol of androhard>PCT>herbal T boosters.

At what point during recovery should I be getting spontaneous erections? My nocturnals are solid. I suspect some underlying venous leakage since I can't maintain erections yet without stimulation or get hard without stimulation.

I've also been using a pump to increase blood flow.

I think I'm on the right track I was just curious how other members have experienced these matters.

entropy
04-04-2015, 05:37 PM
Pleast stop posting these all over the forum. Theres better places for it.

tallstraw
04-04-2015, 07:30 PM
Hahaha^ you added the sig xD


Also CDs yu fucked us by being so good at this recovery everyone wants in lol. I have a feeling it's only gonna get worse. We need to find a way to only have people post in the threads related to it.

BBG
04-04-2015, 08:13 PM
"ask cdsnuts about his nuts" thread

Thanksgiving
04-04-2015, 08:19 PM
Sorry to upset the members. I follow the threads on here regularly but seldom post. There are a lot of great ideas on here and I've learned a lot.

I thought this question would be relevant to other people who cycle/experience shutdown, not just fin users.

I don't want to waste anyone's time. Most answers I find just reading posts but this is something I'm dealing with right now and haven't found anything relevant.

Anyways thanks for having this forum. I'm doing my best to keep a positive attitude and not complain.

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Such as where? This forum is great. I read it often. Feel free to share other resources. Funny signature by the way I read that in the getting swole thread

BBG
04-04-2015, 09:03 PM
How old are you? I know a lot of guys who don't get spontaneous erections after their early early 20s

I think it's at least somewhat natural to need stimulation to get an erection... Physical or mental

Thanksgiving
04-04-2015, 09:25 PM
I'm 22. Dealing with this since age 18. Best years of my life but it's been a learning experience. Staying positive, thankful for all the progress I've made.

I feel like I'm "over the hill" on this recovery. I know I will definitely recover. I'm able to build some strength and have enrfy levels again and I can finally F U C K for the first time in four years even though it takes pde5 inhibitor.

I hate complaining. I hate wasting people's time. I hate the negativity on the prophecies help forum and I don't know anywhere to get advice on this. I spend most of my time living my life and rarely research this topic but when I do I usually just read CDs posts on here and PH or research endocrine interactions.

Sorry for bringing up a negative topics and thanks for any advice you share. Thanks again for the forum.

tallstraw
04-04-2015, 09:29 PM
"ask cdsnuts about his nuts" thread

So that means you'll have section donated to just one thread by the end of the night right?

tallstraw
04-04-2015, 09:31 PM
How old are you? I know a lot of guys who don't get spontaneous erections after their early early 20s

I think it's at least somewhat natural to need stimulation to get an erection... Physical or mental

Actually..you'd be surprised.
When I stop jerkin off, and don't watch porn and only fuck my girl..all those things come back and I don't need stimulation other than my thought or her wearing yoga pants. It doesn't take much when you don't do that, at all...ATLEAST for me.

entropy
04-04-2015, 10:44 PM
If this can all go in one thread I'll list everything I've done, provide all the help I can to absolutely anyone. On the condition that anyone with questions to that regard sticks to that one single, solitary post and contributes other things to this forum outside of "my dick doesn't work please help".

Oh. And if you can get realistically hard when you need it, I wouldn't worry. I got nocturnals but no morning wood before I even took the stuff. Don't sweat it, congrats on the progress and now join the forum, contribute to other discussions. These guys are all awesome and definitely worth chatting with.

Thanksgiving
04-04-2015, 10:50 PM
Entropy

Thanks for this post. As an avid reader of this forum I would agree with your opinions.

One thread does get kind of jumbled, a sub forum for diagnostics might help with organizations.

I would love to contribute to this forum as much as possible. I've mostly been a reader because I feel like a student more than a teacher.

Martial arts and reading books have really helped me physically and mentally. Also I feel like swimming has been great for cardio and blood circulation as well as bone density.

Cdsnuts
04-05-2015, 09:10 AM
Hahaha^ you added the sig xD


Also CDs yu fucked us by being so good at this recovery everyone wants in lol. I have a feeling it's only gonna get worse. We need to find a way to only have people post in the threads related to it.

It is going to get worse. Much worse. it starts with a trickle, then turns into a flood. I can tell you where the major leak has sprung from:

5 alpha victim posted this in my PH recovery thread:

**** "That list that I came up with I gathered from this I'm cured thread. I just went through every post.

If it's not dead on with the vitamin list he took im sure it's very close.

He now recomends new T boosting hetbs for the T booster rotation.

He curruntly to this day cycles over twenty diff herbs in a 3 week cycle and says he feels better now than he did when he posted his recovery. I found a new website that he uses where he is helping three other PFS guys follow his methods.

Only prob is he makes it cleAr that he does not PH and most of the people on it. He also does not like thinking about this PFS stuff as it brings back bad memories. I have not had that much luck communicating with him about this on the new website he's on for these reasons." ******

He's also been posting things in that thread, incorrectly so, as if they had come directly from me.

I really can't stand drama, especially the internet version, but this kind of pissed me off. I was alerted to this yesterday by another forum member.

I'm hoping we can nip this in the bud....NOW. Although I'm not sure how.

People have been donating their valuable time to help this guy, and this is how he repays everyone. Does he not think he's going to be flooded with PM's asking what website he's been coming to to get this info? I'm pretty sure he specifically says in another thread how he "won't tell anyone about this place."

We have a tight group here. That's what I love about this forum. There's no bullshit here. That's because WE keep it that way.

I know this is coming across kind of strong, but there is a very good reason why Entropy, English and Myself had a bad feeling once this trickle started.

I'm all for helping people, but you should also help the people back that are helping you. One hand washes the other type deal. What he did was dirty. Really, I have no one to blame but myself. If I would have had the forethought to change my screen name when I first signed up years ago, this problem wouldn't exist.

And, for the record, it's incorrect to say that I don't like the people at PH. There are plenty of good guys over there fumbling their way through life because of the hand they've been dealt. It's just that the site in general, as a whole, is a complete ball of negativity not conducive to growth and healing.

I don't appreciate him putting words in my mouth either.

Ape McGrapes
04-05-2015, 09:37 AM
make a small sub section.

Cdsnuts
04-05-2015, 09:47 AM
make a small sub section.

I think if that's the way to go, then the forum members could vote on it, seeing as they're the ones who will be answering questions and having to read the posts.

Just to put it in perspective, PH has over 3500 registered members. More then double what we have here. The recovery post was viewed over 85,000 times.

You guys have to be sure you want to do this.

entropy
04-05-2015, 09:54 AM
Definitely a small sub section. I don't mind helping guys out but the majority of "recovery" comes from helping yourself, learning how your body responds and actually putting the effort required in. There's no magical quick fix..

Edit - I resent that "Helping three other people" . English and myself busted our arses to get to where we are and we didn't have any more information than the thread cdnuts left behind and our initiative.

BBG
04-05-2015, 10:55 AM
Actually..you'd be surprised.
When I stop jerkin off, and don't watch porn and only fuck my girl..all those things come back and I don't need stimulation other than my thought or her wearing yoga pants. It doesn't take much when you don't do that, at all...ATLEAST for me.

That was the "mental" stimulation part haha

I rarely get random boners... but if I'm sitting in class and think of whatever girl I'm with, yeah I'll get one. I think at 26 that's normal.

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Well, it's easter so I ain't doin shit for nobody. I'll work on it tomorrow though...

Thanksgiving
04-05-2015, 11:24 AM
Sorry about bringing this up. I feel criminal for posting this. I would like to connect with people who can help me but I don't want to flood this place and turn it into a new PH.

entropy
04-05-2015, 11:33 AM
Sorry about bringing this up. I feel criminal for posting this. I would like to connect with people who can help me but I don't want to flood this place and turn it into a new PH.

Honestly buddy you aren't the problem. 90% recovered before you show up here. You're intelligent, respectful and realise the problem as well as some of the other guys here. I think you'd be a welcome addition if you developed a passion for some of the other stuff we like. The problem is a tonne of people joining, asking questions without contributing and risking giving up what's a safe spot for a couple of us to chill with some real bros and not focus on the crap we're dealing with.

tallstraw
04-05-2015, 11:37 AM
Wtf is PH? I keep trying to figure it out. But damn I hope it doesn't become like that. Otherwise there's gonna be a need for a few more mods, ones that understand the vibe of the forum.

tallstraw
04-05-2015, 11:54 AM
That was the "mental" stimulation part haha

I rarely get random boners... but if I'm sitting in class and think of whatever girl I'm with, yeah I'll get one. I think at 26 that's normal.

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Well, it's easter so I ain't doin shit for nobody. I'll work on it tomorrow though...

Oh I thought you meant touch. I still get NORB's, but if I don't jerk it, i don't need any serious stimulation, the trigger gets pulled off easy stuff like I listed..by if I am jerking, it takes actual stim to get a result. I think there is serious stuff behind the porn is bad for you movement..and not from a religious standpoint. From a "it takes very little porn and stimulation to delay what your normal response would be with a real chick. But if you were to have sex the same amount of times the response doesn't change" if you really try and compare, you'll probably come up with a similiar conclusion. I've had this talk with tons of dudes, and seen it on reddit and shit.

Thanksgiving
04-05-2015, 02:06 PM
Thanks for the kind words Entropy. I'll do my best to contribute. I'm 90% there but there are a few sticking points I'm still working out. A lot of it is mental as now I'm approaching women again etc and trying to be genuine and not feeling like I'm trying to hide anything. This has been somewhat more of a transition than I realized at first.

I do agree that porn can affect stimulation. It has to do with dopamine receptors I believe. At the same time it's somewhat refreshing for someone who has been in my state to experience (through mirror neurons) fully functioning sex with no dysfunction. Kind of like film study for an athlete lol I hope that isn't too gross or taken the wrong way!!! Lol

Jelisej
04-05-2015, 04:11 PM
It is going to get worse. Much worse. it starts with a trickle, then turns into a flood. I can tell you where the major leak has sprung from:

5 alpha victim posted this in my PH recovery thread:

**** "That list that I came up with I gathered from this I'm cured thread. I just went through every post.



That trickle has begun while back ago, and I suggest sub-section or at least a one huge thread where people affectedinterested can make question otherwise we'll have bazzilion threads. And most of them would be completely unneccessary.

Regarding spontaneous erections- past mid-20's most of people dont have them, or it very rare. As we are getting older its harder and harder to get/maintain erection no matter what.

Cdsnuts
04-05-2015, 05:51 PM
As we are getting older its harder and harder to get/maintain erection no matter what.

This isn't normal though Jel. Or, let me rephrase...it shouldn't be normal. In our toxic, overly estrogenic environment, it's normal. I'm 37 and have absolutely no problems getting or maintaining an erection at anytime. If your system is firing on all cylinders and you clear the xeno-estrogens from your body, things will work the way nature intended them to.

Bam24
04-05-2015, 06:09 PM
This isn't normal though Jel. Or, let me rephrase...it shouldn't be normal. In our toxic, overly estrogenic environment, it's normal. I'm 37 and have absolutely no problems getting or maintaining an erection at anytime. If your system is firing on all cylinders and you clear the xeno-estrogens from your body, things will work the way nature intended them to.

I've read on the (xeno-estrogen). Heated plastics and all that... What's the most effective way that you have found to expel them? Besides eating (the raw broccoli)and avoiding plastic water bottles and heating food and plastics...


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Cdsnuts
04-05-2015, 06:31 PM
I've read on the (xeno-estrogen). Heated plastics and all that... What's the most effective way that you have found to expel them? Besides eating (the raw broccoli)and avoiding plastic water bottles and heating food and plastics...


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I'll shoot off as many as I can think right now....

Avoid all:

Personal care products (hairspray, shampoo, deodorants air fresheners) Anything that has "fragrance" in the ingredient list is a xeno estrogen and is bad news for your testicles. Think about deodorant for a minute....you rub those chemicals straight into your lymphatic system through your underarms...no good.

Cleaning products: Sprays, aerosols, cleaners. They are all loaded with "fragrance" to make them smell like a nice summer day. This fragrance is an estrogen mimic. Anytime you get a nice big whiff of a chemical air freshener or cleaner, your breathing that stuff straight into your blood stream.

Plastic water bottles, otherwise known as estrogen bombs are loaded with bisphenol A. This is the chemical that gives plastic it's....plasticity. It is also one of the most pervasive xeno estrogens out there. The water in the those bottles is LOADED with it. I never drink from plastic bottles.

Conventionally produced produce is loaded with pesticides, which just happen to be estrogenic. There are even reports from biologists where run off from factory farms which leech into nearby water ways, turn all of the frogs in the vicinity FEMALE, even though they were born male. Same thing for alligators and fish. They are just swimming in the estrogen and can't escape. There is also the phenomenon where by male alligators where growing smaller and producing penis's that didn't work anymore because of estrogen overload.

Conventionally produced meats are another offender. They feed cows not only antibiotics, but estrogen, so they grow bigger, faster, make more milk and have more babies. When then eat this estrogen in their meat.

The onslaught is an epidemic which is why sperm rates have fallen in developed nations by 50% or more. Men are not men like they were during the WWII time period. Those dudes back then would kick our asses today. They had almost twice the natural test we do. They ate real food that wasn't GMO, poisoned, etc.

What amazes me is that all of this stuff is chemically similar to estrogen?! I find that strange. But it is what it is.

So, aside from limiting your exposure, you can actively take things to expel this estrogen from your system. A few of those are:

DIM
Chysin
Resveratrol
Calcium D glucarate.

And my favorite....PINE POLLEN.

As far as products that don't contain straight up chemicals, you can find healthy alternatives to most of that stuff.

Cdsnuts
04-05-2015, 07:23 PM
I find my inner peace in the fact that I can still hump like I did in my 20's.

Bam24
04-05-2015, 07:37 PM
Thanks cds that was good info.. Ordered 2SA. AND AM going to pick up some pine pollen really soon... That's fact abt ww2. And how superior the levels were explains a lot.. I'll actively try to avoid some of the xenoestrogens... Hv to grab some bpa free reusable water containers.. And hit it that way I usually drink from water bottles only :fail 😔


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Ape McGrapes
04-05-2015, 11:08 PM
My libido has been lower than usual. I've been on the GOMAD diet, and this has made me switch from organic to regular because of price. been wondering if there was a connection.

Cdsnuts
04-06-2015, 06:09 AM
My libido has been lower than usual. I've been on the GOMAD diet, and this has made me switch from organic to regular because of price. been wondering if there was a connection.

Unfortunately, this is the main reason why people don't/can't do most of this. In this day and age it's easier AND cheaper to be un-healthy, over-burdened and hormonally supressed. It's become the norm.

tallstraw
04-06-2015, 11:03 AM
Dang, that is a thread that we should create. Things involving Xeno estrogens..wtf do I do about deodorant!? That little bit of estrogen is worth not smelling like shit. Id like to create a list where we update the first post often about the everyday things we eat,drink, and use, that contain concentrations of Xeno-Estrogens. As well as what is a replacement or alternative right next to it. I think we'd be doing all of us a favor by making that list.

Cdsnuts
04-09-2015, 06:58 AM
Dang, that is a thread that we should create. Things involving Xeno estrogens..wtf do I do about deodorant!? That little bit of estrogen is worth not smelling like shit. Id like to create a list where we update the first post often about the everyday things we eat,drink, and use, that contain concentrations of Xeno-Estrogens. As well as what is a replacement or alternative right next to it. I think we'd be doing all of us a favor by making that list.

Common sources include:
• Bovine Growth Hormone
• Tap water
• Laundry detergents
• Chemicals in sunscreens
• BPA, Phthalates and other chemicals found in most plastic
• PCB’s
• Food coloring like Red 3 aka Erythrosine
• Parabens found in cosmetics and shampoos
• Pesticides like vinclozolin
• Insecticides like DDT, DDE, indane (banned in Europe but still in use in the
USA), methoxychlor, etc.
• Fungacides like propiconazole (which happens to be so strong scientists
have investigated it as male contraceptive)
• Fish (farmed fish is even higher in heavy metals than wild caught)
• Most tap water supplies
• Household cleaning agents
• Cookware
• White Flour
• Deodorants
• Pharmaceuticals

This is just the stuff that people get in their system a couple times a day. There are also dietary sources.

Thanksgiving
04-10-2015, 10:33 PM
@cdsnuts

What is the recommended way to stay hydrated?

Between not drinking tap water and not drinking water stored in plastic bottles what works best for you?

Also, how can I maintain some consistency in the routine of dht<pct<t boosters? I feel great on t boosters and first two weeks of dht but then feel like garbage for a few weeks. I seem to come back stronger each time but it's frustrating to deal with the "crash" that I feel at the end of the dht and beginning of pct.

Thanks