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Freepressright
04-09-2015, 11:08 AM
A while back cdsnuts dropped his new herbal protocol on us and revealed that he's been using a lot of bulk herbs from Super Man Herbs. Some of us have ordered from them as a result. We all know what a benefit they can be to us during off-cycle periods, or any time we need to go natural and enhance.

I had the good fortune of talking to Logan Christopher, one of the owners of Super Man Herbs, earlier today. Surprisingly, Logan was not aware of how popular herbals are to folks during PCT times or people trying to come off hormones. I sent him a link to the site, and I hope the mods don't mind, but I told him to pop his head in and considering becoming one of us. Perhaps we can all teach each other something. Don't be surprised if you see him here trying to learn from us and participate.

BBG
04-09-2015, 01:22 PM
I'd be interested in a q and a or something. None of the sponsors carry the stuff he does again AFAIK

FYI the terms "mods" is silly. There is only one mod! Haha

Ape McGrapes
04-09-2015, 01:53 PM
Link to CDN's routine?

Freepressright
04-09-2015, 04:39 PM
That's what I figured, BBG. Nothing he sells technically competes with any of the sponsors. I hope he's able to make it in to chat with us.

GYMnTONIC.com
04-10-2015, 09:22 AM
This sounds good!! Def wanna see what goods he has?

Epimedium@ 98% by chance??

Freepressright
04-10-2015, 11:24 AM
I spoke to Logan. He has been trying to get in here to chat with us but has not received a confirmation e-mail yet. Look for him to arrive once that happens.

Ape McGrapes
04-10-2015, 11:40 AM
Looks a bit pricey on some stuff.

Freepressright
04-10-2015, 11:47 AM
Quality costs money. Plus he has some pretty unique products.

Cdsnuts
04-10-2015, 12:53 PM
As I've said before, these are some of the best quality herbs you will ever ingest.

entropy
04-10-2015, 01:17 PM
Gonna be putting an order in next week for when I finish my pct. CD, do you think mucuna (likely prolactrone as fpr has spoken highly of it) is good enough to offset potential prolactin sides from DAA? If so if I run it for my full PCT, how long would you leave before starting to cycle it again? I was thinking a month or so?

Cdsnuts
04-10-2015, 01:25 PM
I would only take it during the DAA portion of my PCT and even then I would only take it every other day or so. But if you run it for a month straight, I would take two months off before taking it again.

Ape McGrapes
04-10-2015, 01:57 PM
An A.I. sho u ld be strong enough macuna is hit or miss.

Cdsnuts
04-10-2015, 02:08 PM
An A.I. sho u ld be strong enough macuna is hit or miss.
He's using the mucuna for possible prolactin sides from the DAA

Ape McGrapes
04-10-2015, 03:00 PM
He's using the mucuna for possible prolactin sides from the DAA
There should be an A.I. in the PCT anyway, for floating estrogen due to serm use. Prolactin can't strive in a low or controlled estrogen eviroment.

Control estrogen=Control prolactin

Cdsnuts
04-10-2015, 03:02 PM
There should be an A.I. in the PCT anyway, for floating estrogen due to serm use. Prolactin can't strive in a low or controlled estrogen eviroment.

Control estrogen=Control prolactin
Of course he is using an AI. I believe either res or sustain. either way what you are saying isn't always necessarily the case. For one reason or another, some guys still get prolactin sides from daa

You've never run the TRS and used some type of dopamine agonist as well?

entropy
04-10-2015, 03:07 PM
For the record its res100, transynergy DAA and probably some kind of mucuna.

Cdsnuts
04-10-2015, 03:11 PM
For the record its res100, transynergy DAA and probably some kind of mucuna.
That cycle went fast, didnt it.....

entropy
04-10-2015, 03:14 PM
That cycle went fast, didnt it.....
4 weeks on monday. Still two more left after that.

Cdsnuts
04-10-2015, 03:15 PM
So in regards to the original topic, maybe we could use this thread to post our experiences with the different herbs from this company?

Ape McGrapes
04-10-2015, 03:27 PM
Preworkout looks interesting to say the least.

Freepressright
04-10-2015, 04:06 PM
I bought my wife the Spartan Adaptagen blend. Took two doses myself. Absolutely amazing clean energy and a fog-free head.

BBG
04-10-2015, 04:08 PM
I'd prefer these guys to be sponsors. It's only fair to the other sponsors instead of giving them free advertising space.

Freepressright
04-10-2015, 04:09 PM
I'd like to ask him when he gets here if he'd be willing to carry a legitimate epidemium standardized at 98% Icariin. It is my understanding that PN's "Cockstrong" product used this stuff and it was so potent that even Cialis couldn't compare.

It was so legit that it turned your tongue numb like lidocaine.

Most icariin products out there are bunk, unfortunately.

Freepressright
04-10-2015, 04:12 PM
I'd prefer these guys to be sponsors. It's only fair to the other sponsors instead of giving them free advertising space.

To be honest, that's what I was hoping would happen. What they sell appeals to all of us in a pretty big way.

I don't know what becoming a sponsor entails, but them marketing to us can't be anything but a good thing for them.

ExtraZeus
04-10-2015, 06:59 PM
Reading up on the pine pollen. Sounds pretty amazing really.

Nice find guys!

somm
04-10-2015, 10:39 PM
I'd like to ask him when he gets here if he'd be willing to carry a legitimate epidemium standardized at 98% Icariin. It is my understanding that PN's "Cockstrong" product used this stuff and it was so potent that even Cialis couldn't compare.

It was so legit that it turned your tongue numb like lidocaine.

Most icariin products out there are bunk, unfortunately.

I will vouch for the Icariin in C*ck Strong! If its the main working ingriedient, i'll say it works VERY WELL!!

Freepressright
04-12-2015, 08:43 AM
I will vouch for the Icariin in C*ck Strong! If its the main working ingriedient, i'll say it works VERY WELL!!

Day two of their pine pollen tincture. Woke up with THE most raging nocturnal wood last night that I've felt in years. Don't know if it's coincidence or not. But they had a wood guarantee on their pine pollen.

Cdsnuts
04-12-2015, 05:23 PM
Day two of their pine pollen tincture. Woke up with THE most raging nocturnal wood last night that I've felt in years. Don't know if it's coincidence or not. But they had a wood guarantee on their pine pollen.
Not coincidence. That stuff is potent. I love it. I mega dose the powder and love that as well.

SupermanHerbs9
04-13-2015, 01:12 PM
Hey guys. I'm Logan Christopher from Super Man Herbs. Finally got on here. Thank you Freepressright for inviting me.

If you have any questions for me, I'll do my best to answer.

FYI, we are looking at getting epimedium.

somm
04-13-2015, 02:16 PM
By golly i'm gonna have to check out Super Man Herbs!

Bam24
04-13-2015, 02:26 PM
Welcome!! A ss coupon code sureeeeeee would be nice haha 😁


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Freepressright
04-13-2015, 02:40 PM
A Swole Source coupon code would be awesome.

Ape McGrapes
04-13-2015, 03:07 PM
Logan, when we like something around here we really like it. We are definetely brand loyal. Ask any of our sponsors. A real tight nit community. You'll be more than pleased to join on.

Bam24
04-13-2015, 03:42 PM
lol yup. Pn n gnt hv received lots of my money's lol Very interested in the pine pollen and royal jelly to go along with my sustain alpha 😝


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Enuke65
04-13-2015, 06:24 PM
I'm intrigued

Freepressright
04-14-2015, 12:09 PM
I'm intrigued

They've been having a 15% off sale over there for tax season deadline. I think it's only going on until tomorrow. The coupon code is TAX in all uppercase.

BBG
04-14-2015, 11:15 PM
lol yup. Pn n gnt hv received lots of my money's lol Very interested in the pine pollen and royal jelly to go along with my sustain alpha ��


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Should be a good stack... all those have me intrigued.

Mad Mardigan
04-15-2015, 02:37 AM
I will definitely be trying some of superman's herbs for my next pct. May well benefit those on trt as well.

Freepressright
04-15-2015, 06:36 AM
I got a bag of the Hercules pre-workout, hoping to wane myself off the stims and have an option other than All-In. Not that I'm dogging All-in, but I can't handle the taste right now. I'm going to have to re-acclimate to it.

In any event, I woke up yesterday morning and mixed a tablespoon of it with a 4-ounce glass of water and threw it down the hatch. Within 3 minutes, I was literally ON FIRE from the niacin flush. I have never experienced a flush so intense.

Granted, I knew it was coming and I knew they used niacin as the delivery vehicle. They're quite upfront about it and now offer a niacin-free version for those who don't want the flush.

In any event, I turned red from head to toe and it lasted about 10 minutes or less.

Hit the gym and pounded out the weight. Had plenty of energy in the tank the whole time.

This is different from any other pre-workout I've tried. It's going to take using it on a heavy lifting day to see where it really shines. Cool product, though.

Cdsnuts
04-15-2015, 12:29 PM
I got a bag of the Hercules pre-workout, hoping to wane myself off the stims and have an option other than All-In. Not that I'm dogging All-in, but I can't handle the taste right now. I'm going to have to re-acclimate to it.

In any event, I woke up yesterday morning and mixed a tablespoon of it with a 4-ounce glass of water and threw it down the hatch. Within 3 minutes, I was literally ON FIRE from the niacin flush. I have never experienced a flush so intense.

Granted, I knew it was coming and I knew they used niacin as the delivery vehicle. They're quite upfront about it and now offer a niacin-free version for those who don't want the flush.

In any event, I turned red from head to toe and it lasted about 10 minutes or less.

Hit the gym and pounded out the weight. Had plenty of energy in the tank the whole time.

This is different from any other pre-workout I've tried. It's going to take using it on a heavy lifting day to see where it really shines. Cool product, though.

Do you notice how the energy from the herbs is more of an organic, naturally feeling kind? It's totally different from the stimulant version of "energy"

Freepressright
04-15-2015, 01:13 PM
Do you notice how the energy from the herbs is more of an organic, naturally feeling kind? It's totally different from the stimulant version of "energy"

Most definitely! It's a clear-headed, light and springy step kind of energy. Not crackhead kind of energy.

Cdsnuts
04-15-2015, 02:29 PM
Most definitely! It's a clear-headed, light and springy step kind of energy. Not crackhead kind of energy.

Along these same lines, I think would enjoy the Shilajit pitch. This stuff packs a big punch of a nice, real energy. It just makes you feel like the energy is naturally coming from within, rather then being forced onto your system like stims. Almost like you had the best sleep of your life for 12 hours energy...The taste is nasty, but I've actually come to look forward to it.

Freepressright
04-15-2015, 06:35 PM
Along these same lines, I think would enjoy the Shilajit pitch. This stuff packs a big punch of a nice, real energy. It just makes you feel like the energy is naturally coming from within, rather then being forced onto your system like stims. Almost like you had the best sleep of your life for 12 hours energy...The taste is nasty, but I've actually come to look forward to it.

I got some He Shou Wu after reading about how it gets rid of gray hair. I hit the net and read a lot of reviews from users of He Shou Wu products and it actually does work for some. I don't have a shit ton of gray, but enough that it's worth the experiment. Plus I've read about the sexual benefits of it, and I am 100% in favor of taking ANYTHING that enhances libido.

I am married to an almost 40-year-old nympho. Gotta make sure I'm always down for getting down.

The He Shou Wu flavor I really enjoy. Almost like a coffee.

The Hercules pre-workout is nasty tasting. Very salty.

The Spartan adaptagens are sour.

The Tongkat Ali is extremely bitter.

The pine pollen tincture is alcoholic tasting (no complaints) and kicks total ass.

You turned us all on to a damn good thing, cdsnuts! Thanks for sharing!

Cdsnuts
04-15-2015, 07:01 PM
I got some He Shou Wu after reading about how it gets rid of gray hair. I hit the net and read a lot of reviews from users of He Shou Wu products and it actually does work for some. I don't have a shit ton of gray, but enough that it's worth the experiment. Plus I've read about the sexual benefits of it, and I am 100% in favor of taking ANYTHING that enhances libido.

I am married to an almost 40-year-old nympho. Gotta make sure I'm always down for getting down.

The He Shou Wu flavor I really enjoy. Almost like a coffee.

The Hercules pre-workout is nasty tasting. Very salty.

The Spartan adaptagens are sour.

The Tongkat Ali is extremely bitter.

The pine pollen tincture is alcoholic tasting (no complaints) and kicks total ass.

You turned us all on to a damn good thing, cdsnuts! Thanks for sharing!
When I say these herbs have been a life changer for me, its no exaggeration.

entropy
04-15-2015, 07:13 PM
I'm loving these descriptions guys keep 'em coming, I'm looking to swap a few things out of my herbal rotation in favour of something more efficient.

Freepressright
04-15-2015, 07:54 PM
You want to order some of these herbs, entropy! Great stuff.

hossam
04-15-2015, 10:05 PM
unfortunately the prices of superman herbs are way over priced!
i get all these herbs from the biggest supplier in China and i don't know what you all will do when you find out the difference
in prices!
i just ordered and tried Pine Pollen and Shilajit 2 KG each! got it lab tested and confirmed it is
high quality
anyway the herbs are powerful stuff, and i will continue using it
Pine pollen taste is ok mixed with pomegranate juice , but the Shilajit is some how tastes like a very bad coffee
they give nice and clean energy like you said FBR and a very nice mood
and that is what i was looking for as i hate what pre-workouts do to my mood
i don't know how to overcome the taste of Shilajit, i will try capping some and see how it goes

silverstrand
04-16-2015, 10:57 AM
unfortunately the prices of superman herbs are way over priced!
i get all these herbs from the biggest supplier in China and i don't know what you all will do when you find out the difference
in prices!
i just ordered and tried Pine Pollen and Shilajit 2 KG each! got it lab tested and confirmed it is
high quality
anyway the herbs are powerful stuff, and i will continue using it
Pine pollen taste is ok mixed with pomegranate juice , but the Shilajit is some how tastes like a very bad coffee
they give nice and clean energy like you said FBR and a very nice mood
and that is what i was looking for as i hate what pre-workouts do to my mood
i don't know how to overcome the taste of Shilajit, i will try capping some and see how it goes

Hey Hossam,

How do you go about getting lab tests done on your herbs?

hossam
04-16-2015, 11:55 AM
Hey Hossam,

How do you go about getting lab tests done on your herbs?

in UAE the health authority do the lab testing as per my request
but i will pay the fees for the test and they will confirm if the item is identical to the invoice
and the documents with the product and if it is safe for human consumption and doesn't contain any harmful ingredients

silverstrand
04-16-2015, 02:06 PM
in UAE the health authority do the lab testing as per my request
but i will pay the fees for the test and they will confirm if the item is identical to the invoice
and the documents with the product and if it is safe for human consumption and doesn't contain any harmful ingredients

Nice, what's the company name you bought from?

GYMnTONIC.com
04-16-2015, 02:35 PM
Logan, when we like something around here we really like it. We are definetely brand loyal. Ask any of our sponsors. A real tight nit community. You'll be more than pleased to join on.

Welcome Logan!! This forum is a family and very supportive. This is the best forum on the Net hands down.

I have some of your Pine Pollen Tincture otw from an amazing SS member sent as a gift. I will report my findings asap!! Thank you :)

Mad Mardigan
04-16-2015, 05:10 PM
Welcome Logan! Best board ever.

Enuke65
04-16-2015, 07:17 PM
Looking at pine tincture and spartan formula for non stim energy and boners.


Thoughts?

Freepressright
04-17-2015, 08:54 AM
Looking at pine tincture and spartan formula for non stim energy and boners.


Thoughts?

Libido is skyrocketing. Every bit as good as an on-cycle libido.

I added a stinging nettle liquid, dosed AM and PM, to mitigate estrogen and attack SHBG. Did that two days ago.

Banged my wife HARD before bed last night. Fell asleep for two hours, woke up super horny and slammed it again. Woke up this morning raging again.

You want this pine pollen tincture, dude. Trust me.

Bam24
04-17-2015, 09:41 AM
^^. U don't think mega dosing the powder would be just as effective as the tincture..? What's the tincture advantage over the powder?


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entropy
04-17-2015, 09:52 AM
^^. U don't think mega dosing the powder would be just as effective as the tincture..? What's the tincture advantage over the powder?


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Sublingual absorption I think.

GYMnTONIC.com
04-17-2015, 10:58 AM
Sublingual absorption I think.

Yes for sure. Also for anyone who doesn't know..tinctures actually extract a higher percentage of the product..then just taking a powder..then its in a liquid which is faster absorption and more bio-available and then yes, look at administration method. Under tongue would be more effective. Think of how u can ingest products..oral, sublingual, subQ, IM, snorting, I.V..each carries a different and varying absorption rate, and therefore effect.


DIRECTIONS TO MAKE TINCTURE:

1) Buy Raw Herbs
2) Buy Pure grain Alcohol
3) You can weigh out amount of herbs u want and do the math to get it per ML..
Dry out plant/herb (in sun or oven)or just chop up the herb/plant and place it in a jar to soak on the alcohol. Stir it or shake it daily.
[Method 2: dry out plant/herb and grind this up in coffee grinder. Weigh out the powder and then add the desired amount to the desired amount of Pure Grain alcohol u wish to use]
4) allow to sit for 4-8 weeks or even longer for best extraction
5) take cheesecloth, place over open container like another jar..and pour mixture into it and strain the solution into said jar.

6) Finished!! Dosing the product can be tricky if you don't have the weight..but u can simply try a few drops at a time and work your way up to a dosage u find consistent!! Can be trial or error.

GYMnTONIC.com
04-17-2015, 11:01 AM
Libido is skyrocketing. Every bit as good as an on-cycle libido.

I added a stinging nettle liquid, dosed AM and PM, to mitigate estrogen and attack SHBG. Did that two days ago.

Banged my wife HARD before bed last night. Fell asleep for two hours, woke up super horny and slammed it again. Woke up this morning raging again.

You want this pine pollen tincture, dude. Trust me.


Are you seeing this increase erection quality and hardness..like say, Cialis would do?? For the duration of the activity?

Freepressright
04-17-2015, 12:36 PM
Are you seeing this increase erection quality and hardness..like say, Cialis would do?? For the duration of the activity?

For sure. But the excitement level also goes up quite substantially, which has an impact on overall hardness.

And excellent post on the difference between the tincture and the powder. The tincture extracts the androgens and concentrates them for easy absorption under the tongue.

Some people recommend doing the tincture for the androgenic properties and then doing a dose of powder for its superfood power.

Freepressright
04-17-2015, 12:58 PM
Logan from Super Man Herbs explains how to make the tincture right here with this video:

How to Make a Pine Pollen Tincture - Pine Pollen Tinctures Made Easy - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyxDiwIt6Tg)

entropy
04-17-2015, 01:20 PM
Yes for sure. Also for anyone who doesn't know..tinctures actually extract a higher percentage of the product..then just taking a powder..then its in a liquid which is faster absorption and more bio-available and then yes, look at administration method. Under tongue would be more effective. Think of how u can ingest products..oral, sublingual, subQ, IM, snorting, I.V..each carries a different and varying absorption rate, and therefore effect.


DIRECTIONS TO MAKE TINCTURE:

1) Buy Raw Herbs
2) Buy Pure grain Alcohol
3) You can weigh out amount of herbs u want and do the math to get it per ML..
Dry out plant/herb (in sun or oven)or just chop up the herb/plant and place it in a jar to soak on the alcohol. Stir it or shake it daily.
[Method 2: dry out plant/herb and grind this up in coffee grinder. Weigh out the powder and then add the desired amount to the desired amount of Pure Grain alcohol u wish to use]
4) allow to sit for 4-8 weeks or even longer for best extraction
5) take cheesecloth, place over open container like another jar..and pour mixture into it and strain the solution into said jar.

6) Finished!! Dosing the product can be tricky if you don't have the weight..but u can simply try a few drops at a time and work your way up to a dosage u find consistent!! Can be trial or error.

You totally forgot plugging bro. Latex glove, a bit of Vaseline and a massive pair of balls and we can bypass that pesky liver entirely!

SupermanHerbs9
04-17-2015, 02:22 PM
Here's some more info on the powder versus the tincture.
Pine Pollen Powder vs. Pine Pollen Tinctures (http://supermanherbs.com/pine-pollen-powder-vs-pine-pollen-tinctures/)

Basically as was stated earlier the tincture is more androgenic while the powder is more like a superfood (though it still has the hormonal benefits). I see the first as more directly boosting, and the other as balancing.

Hercules was mentioned. Some people don't like the niacin so we just recently came out with a different version without niacin. It also has half of the spartan formula in it (cordyceps and rhodiola) as well as shilajit, giving it a bit more of an endurance, and mental clarity feel to it.

I actually like mixing some of the herbs, like he shou wu, into my coffee.

Our goal is to bring the highest quality stuff to market. Yes, its not cheap. But there is tons of crap out there, and most people wouldn't even know where to start when it comes to testing. Especially when it comes to shilajit, its not just whether it is shilajit or not, but the source and processing.

Anyone wanting a coupon, the tax sale is over, but we offer a 15% off your first order coupon on the site by signing up with your email.

Speck
04-17-2015, 05:01 PM
If the tincture (or even the powder) really does deliver bioavailable androgens into your system which then act as exogenous hormones, how could this not be supressive on your natural production?

Cdsnuts
04-17-2015, 05:58 PM
If the tincture (or even the powder) really does deliver bioavailable androgens into your system which then act as exogenous hormones, how could this not be supressive on your natural production?

I had this very same thought when I first started using this stuff. I don't really have an outright answer to the question but I can tell you that after months of use, I'm better off then I was when I started. It really seems to work WITH your body rather against it. I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that it's plant based.

Speck
04-17-2015, 08:02 PM
I had this very same thought when I first started using this stuff. I don't really have an outright answer to the question but I can tell you that after months of use, I'm better off then I was when I started. It really seems to work WITH your body rather against it. I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that it's plant based.

I'm definitely not being argumentative and I defer to your experience in the area, but anything that acts on our androgen receptors is kinda working with our body (in a way); but all androgen receptors, including the hypothalamus. It's one of those things where you can't have your cake and eat it too!

Mad Mardigan
04-18-2015, 02:45 AM
Sublingual absorption I think.

I highly agree that sublingual dosing some things can completely change absorption. Just recently tried noopept at 10 mg orally. Had some effect, nothing substantial. Tried 10 mg sublingual, world of difference. Haven't tried that with many herbs, maybe I need to though.

Cdsnuts
04-18-2015, 07:23 AM
I'm definitely not being argumentative and I defer to your experience in the area, but anything that acts on our androgen receptors is kinda working with our body (in a way); but all androgen receptors, including the hypothalamus. It's one of those things where you can't have your cake and eat it too!

When I say work with our bodies, I'm meaning it does this in a way that doesn't cause shut down. How this works is beyond my scope of knowledge. I agree with you being skeptical, because I was too. But I can tell you from experience, and as stated in other posts of mine, this stuff does NOT shut you down.

Now, maybe if you're taking super high doses for months on end it may, but again, I really don't think it will. I'm pretty sure it has to do with the nature of the androgens and the fact that they're not synthetic. Plants have the ability to work with us in this way. They are the Yin to our Yang when it comes to living things.

I have no research articles to back this up besides my own knowledge and experience with herbs and the many years of using various plant based modalities. FYI

Cdsnuts
04-18-2015, 07:26 AM
I highly agree that sublingual dosing some things can completely change absorption. Just recently tried noopept at 10 mg orally. Had some effect, nothing substantial. Tried 10 mg sublingual, world of difference. Haven't tried that with many herbs, maybe I need to though.

I've done this same experiment with noopept and was amazed at this difference as well!

I also always take my pine pollen tincture and hold it under my tongue for as long as I can stand it before swallowing. There is a big difference. in effect.

Freepressright
04-18-2015, 09:21 AM
I've done this same experiment with noopept and was amazed at this difference as well!

I also always take my pine pollen tincture and hold it under my tongue for as long as I can stand it before swallowing. There is a big difference. in effect.

I do the same thing. I hold it under my tongue for at least a minute before swallowing. And I chase it with Herb Pharm's stinging nettle liquid.

Over a week in and I feel like I'm on test. Could be placebo, I dunno. But I'll take it, whatever it is.

Pumps are killer, I'm horny all the time and I have good energy.

Cdsnuts
04-18-2015, 06:29 PM
I do the same thing. I hold it under my tongue for at least a minute before swallowing. And I chase it with Herb Pharm's stinging nettle liquid.

Over a week in and I feel like I'm on test. Could be placebo, I dunno. But I'll take it, whatever it is.

Pumps are killer, I'm horny all the time and I have good energy.
Unfortunately us PFS guys can't take stinging nettle due to the fact that it blocks five 5ar.

Freepressright
04-19-2015, 03:18 PM
Unfortunately us PFS guys can't take stinging nettle due to the fact that it blocks five 5ar.

Stinging nettle raises DHT. I researched it for about an hour the other day. Everything I've read on it indicates that it lowers SHGB and raises DHT. It is not a 5ar inhibitor. I was super paranoid it was before I tried it.

Stinging nettle inhibits DHT from binding to the receptors in the prostate, but it doesn't actually lower systemic DHT. You're good on taking it.

Cdsnuts
04-19-2015, 04:54 PM
Stinging nettle raises DHT. I researched it for about an hour the other day. Everything I've read on it indicates that it lowers SHGB and raises DHT. It is not a 5ar inhibitor. I was super paranoid it was before I tried it.

Stinging nettle inhibits DHT from binding to the receptors in the prostate, but it doesn't actually lower systemic DHT. You're good on taking it.
Ive read studies that said otherwise.....ill have to dig into my pfs file and see if i can pull em out. Ive researched it pretty extensively. Then again you know how studies can be. Can you link me to the articles you read? I would love for it to not block 5ar, but my experiences with using it in the past have suggested it does just that.

I know there are whole groups of people that use it LOWER DHT. I don't see how it could just inhibit DHT in the prostate and nowhere else.

If I'm not mistaken I believe it's even marketed at Superman herbs as a way to lower DHT in your system.

Either way, I can't take it. I listen to my body over any study any day.

Freepressright
04-20-2015, 06:21 AM
Ive read studies that said otherwise.....ill have to dig into my pfs file and see if i can pull em out. Ive researched it pretty extensively. Then again you know how studies can be. Can you link me to the articles you read? I would love for it to not block 5ar, but my experiences with using it in the past have suggested it does just that.

I know there are whole groups of people that use it LOWER DHT. I don't see how it could just inhibit DHT in the prostate and nowhere else.

If I'm not mistaken I believe it's even marketed at Superman herbs as a way to lower DHT in your system.

Either way, I can't take it. I listen to my body over any study any day.

There are a myriad of studies suggesting that it could benefit your DHT levels. There's only one study that suggests a possibility that it might inhbit 5ar. But based on your statement, I'm going to assume you've taken it and felt ill effects from it?

I can tell you that I don't feel any ill effects at all. Right now I'm incredibly vascular, so much so that I've had no less than four people this weekend comment on how lean and striated I am. One, in particular, said, "Geez, I can see all your veins! What are you doing these days?!"

I'm not suggesting the nettle is responsible for that, don't misunderstand me. I'm just obviously in a very dry and lean state and the nettle isn't doing anything to take that away from me, nor is it robbing my libido. I feel like I'm on cycle.

I fully understand why you said earlier that you may never need to run a hormone ever again. These herbs are incredible.

But getting back to the studies, these show that the lingans in nettle root can block SHBG from binding into hormones, and thus increase free-testosterone and free-DHT levels:

[Effect of radix urticae extract and its several secondary extracts on blood SHBG in benign prostate hyperplasia]. - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6189775)
http://apps.who.int/medicinedocs/pdf/s4927e/s4927e.pdf
Plant constituents interfering with human sex hormone-binding globulin. Evaluation of a test method and its application to Urtica dioica root extra... - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7702715)
Interaction of lignans with human sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG). - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9463941)

Nettle root was in fact so powerful in a test-tube that it even displaces hormones from SHBG, making them bio-available for the receptors.

Now, in the interest of full disclosure, here's the one study suggesting it MIGHT act as a 5AR inhibitor:

Ameliorative effects of stinging nettle (Urtica dioica) on testosterone-induced prostatic hyperplasia in rats. - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21806658)

I'm going to listen to my body on this one. If I see any decrease in pumps, vascularity or libido, I'm dumping it in a heartbeat. I've felt the effects of 5AR suppression before and been stuck in the throes of it, albeit not as long as you were, but long enough that a taste of it was all I needed to know I need to stay the fuck away from it.

Freepressright
04-20-2015, 06:25 AM
And I just looked on the Super Man Herbs site and nettle is NOT being marketed as a way to lower DHT.

Nettle Root Extract - Urtica Dioica - Super Man Herbs (http://supermanherbs.com/nettle-root/)

Here's the writeup:

Nettle Root Binds to Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)

The second problem is that testosterone and its metabolite, dihydrotestosterone (DHT) can be bound to substances like Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) or albumin. This renders the testosterone unusable by your body as its trapped into a non-viable form.

Some of this effect found in nettle root appears to be from the lignans available, including the following six compounds.

Neoolivil
Secoisolariciresinol
Dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol
Isolariciresinol
Pinoresinol
3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran (found to be the most powerful one)

Several studies in both humans and animals have shown these effects.

Cdsnuts
04-20-2015, 06:49 AM
And I just looked on the Super Man Herbs site and nettle is NOT being marketed as a way to lower DHT.

Nettle Root Extract - Urtica Dioica - Super Man Herbs (http://supermanherbs.com/nettle-root/)

Here's the writeup:

Nettle Root Binds to Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)

The second problem is that testosterone and its metabolite, dihydrotestosterone (DHT) can be bound to substances like Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) or albumin. This renders the testosterone unusable by your body as its trapped into a non-viable form.

Some of this effect found in nettle root appears to be from the lignans available, including the following six compounds.

Neoolivil
Secoisolariciresinol
Dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol
Isolariciresinol
Pinoresinol
3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran (found to be the most powerful one)

Several studies in both humans and animals have shown these effects.
My apologies. It wasn't superman herbs that made this statement directly. 2 or so weeks ago superman herbs put out a podcast interviewing mark wilson who runs a boost your testosterone website. He went into the fact that nettle is used to bring down dht levels. His website is the one that markets it this way. You can probably still access the podcast as they have them up on their site.

And yeah, I've run nettle before and gotten the same results both times. at first I feel absolutely great when my testosterone shoots through the roof. I'm sure part of this has to do with being unbound from Sh BG but the other part of it has to do with not being converted into DHT through blocking a 5 AR after a few days of being starved of DHT I crash. it basically does exactly what the propecia did to me just on a much much smaller scale.

And forgive the mistakes in this post as I'm typing from my tablet. I can't access the site correctly on my PC anymore for some reason

Freepressright
04-20-2015, 07:45 AM
My apologies. It wasn't superman herbs that made this statement directly. 2 or so weeks ago superman herbs put out a podcast interviewing mark wilson who runs a boost your testosterone website. He went into the fact that nettle is used to bring down dht levels. His website is the one that markets it this way. You can probably still access the podcast as they have them up on their site.

And yeah, I've run nettle before and gotten the same results both times. at first I feel absolutely great when my testosterone shoots through the roof. I'm sure part of this has to do with being unbound from Sh BG but the other part of it has to do with not being converted into DHT through blocking a 5 AR after a few days of being starved of DHT I crash. it basically does exactly what the propecia did to me just on a much much smaller scale.

And forgive the mistakes in this post as I'm typing from my tablet. I can't access the site correctly on my PC anymore for some reason

Believe me when I tell you I am taking everything you say under advisement.

I wonder if I should run it for a few days and cease for a week or so, and then run it again. I dunno. I guess I'll just pay close attention to my sex drive and body comp.

Cdsnuts
04-20-2015, 08:18 AM
Believe me when I tell you I am taking everything you say under advisement.

I wonder if I should run it for a few days and cease for a week or so, and then run it again. I dunno. I guess I'll just pay close attention to my sex drive and body comp.

Hard to say. The problem that comes into play here is genetics. You may not have any issues at all FPR. Alot of guys don't. But then alot of guys don't have any drastic problems with propecia either. It's just a small subset of men who have a genetic disposition of being EXTREMELY sensitive to 5ar inhibition. You don't know if you are one of those guys unless you spin the wheel and see what happens.

I know I don't blame you for not wanting it to block 5ar....that feeling in the beginning is just so euphoric....until the crash. I also felt the same way when i first tried Stanzol. It was amazing. And then I woke up about 3 days in, in a panic because I could feel my mind/dick connection was gone. (No DHT) Sure enough, after some research, it was found that the active in Stanzol is also a very powerful 5ar inhibitor. For some reason many aromotase inhibitors also have an effect on 5ar, unfortunately.

So, given my history, these days I'm very careful before putting anything in my system. I have to be.

You could always run it for a week and see if you have any negative reactions.

Freepressright
04-20-2015, 08:35 AM
Hard to say. The problem that comes into play here is genetics. You may not have any issues at all FPR. Alot of guys don't. But then alot of guys don't have any drastic problems with propecia either. It's just a small subset of men who have a genetic disposition of being EXTREMELY sensitive to 5ar inhibition. You don't know if you are one of those guys unless you spin the wheel and see what happens.

I know I don't blame you for not wanting it to block 5ar....that feeling in the beginning is just so euphoric....until the crash. I also felt the same way when i first tried Stanzol. It was amazing. And then I woke up about 3 days in, in a panic because I could feel my mind/dick connection was gone. (No DHT) Sure enough, after some research, it was found that the active in Stanzol is also a very powerful 5ar inhibitor. For some reason many aromotase inhibitors also have an effect on 5ar, unfortunately.

So, given my history, these days I'm very careful before putting anything in my system. I have to be.

You could always run it for a week and see if you have any negative reactions.

That's what I plan to do. Basically, if my wang is working on overdrive and I keep my pumps and vascularity, I think I'm good. If these go south, I'll be depositing this stuff in the nearest trash receptacle.

Cdsnuts
04-20-2015, 09:00 AM
That's what I plan to do. Basically, if my wang is working on overdrive and I keep my pumps and vascularity, I think I'm good. If these go south, I'll be depositing this stuff in the nearest trash receptacle.

Keep us posted. I'm interested to see what your experience will be.

pman42
04-20-2015, 10:45 PM
Not to rain on anyone's parade, looks like a good site and he seems like a cool dude, but I think pine pollen isn't all it's made out to be. the miniscule traces of whatever hormone it contains are much too little to have any physiological effect. And hormone precursors? well, there may be phytosterols and the like but again I very much doubt there are any hormonal effects. that's not to poopoo all the herbs, though, as many of those are quality herbs that I definitely have felt an effect from. i just really take issue with the marketing of pine pollen, perhaps because one of the main proponents of it is David Wolfe (David Douche) and the guy is not exactly a walking advertisement for healthy longevity and male prowess. Also read below his guide to hormonal optimization, it's pretty funny. If it were written in crayon you might think a fifth grader wrote it after reading some wikipedia articles.
http://www.thelongevitynowconference.com/dvd-fall2011/David-Wolfe-The-Natural-Approach-1.pdf

Anyway, cool site. will have to get me some of those herbs

Cdsnuts
04-21-2015, 05:40 AM
Not to rain on anyone's parade, looks like a good site and he seems like a cool dude, but I think pine pollen isn't all it's made out to be. the miniscule traces of whatever hormone it contains are much too little to have any physiological effect. And hormone precursors? well, there may be phytosterols and the like but again I very much doubt there are any hormonal effects. that's not to poopoo all the herbs, though, as many of those are quality herbs that I definitely have felt an effect from. i just really take issue with the marketing of pine pollen, perhaps because one of the main proponents of it is David Wolfe (David Douche) and the guy is not exactly a walking advertisement for healthy longevity and male prowess. Also read below his guide to hormonal optimization, it's pretty funny. If it were written in crayon you might think a fifth grader wrote it after reading some wikipedia articles.
http://www.thelongevitynowconference.com/dvd-fall2011/David-Wolfe-The-Natural-Approach-1.pdf

Anyway, cool site. will have to get me some of those herbs

And you THINK this because of something you've read? Do you have any real world experience with it at all or you just hating on it because of DW (I also agree he is a douche and a charlatan)

I can tell you for a fact that the powder does indeed have a physiological response. It's one of my favorite herbs, hands down. I would almost call it life changing. Then again, if you're running a ton of AAS or prohormones, it's not gonna do shit. This is something when taken at your baseline will raise you up for sure. There is reason they have a "Wood guarantee" on their pine pollen. I wouldn't buy shit from DW because it's probably going to be over-hyped over marketed garbage. This my friend, is nothing like that. Why don't you buy some or maybe even ask them for a sample with something else?

To make the claims you've made without actually even trying it is pretty silly. Especially when there are so many people who are using it (me included) with awesome results.

Try it before you pass premature judgement. Just sayin.....

WesleyInman
04-21-2015, 06:15 AM
Try it before you pass premature judgement. Just sayin.....


I agree to this 100%

I have a bottle of the SuperMan Herbs Pine Pollen Tincture..from an awesome SS member!!

I can say packaging is awesome...came with nice directions and insert.

I started last night first dosage. Woke up this morning and another dosaging. I will be doing 2mL ED for 30 days and let u guys know my honest opinion.

I got my protocol from FreePress...he says wait until Day 2 for it to work.

I am currently running Epiandro at 400mgs ED..I am also using epimedium blend that I created on my own..libido is good..but would not mind improvements.

I will give as best feedback as I can. I have high hopes for this product...Tinctures in my experience are far better and misunderstood then they might appear on the surface.

I have an ephedra nevendesis tincture that I make myself..and that stuff is legit. Will open sinuses and breathing airways big time.

Freepressright
04-21-2015, 06:31 AM
And you THINK this because of something you've read? Do you have any real world experience with it at all or you just hating on it because of DW (I also agree he is a douche and a charlatan)

I can tell you for a fact that the powder does indeed have a physiological response. It's one of my favorite herbs, hands down. I would almost call it life changing. Then again, if you're running a ton of AAS or prohormones, it's not gonna do shit. This is something when taken at your baseline will raise you up for sure. There is reason they have a "Wood guarantee" on their pine pollen. I wouldn't buy shit from DW because it's probably going to be over-hyped over marketing garbage. This my friend, is nothing like that. Why don't buy some or maybe even ask them for a sample with something else?

To make the claims you've made without actually even trying it is pretty silly. Especially when there are so many people who are using it (me included) with awesome results.

Try it before you pass premature judgement. Just sayin.....

I absolutely agree with this, 100%.

The idea behind the tincture is that you extract and greatly concentrate the androgens in the pollen. You don't have glowing review after glowing review for no reason. This stuff works.

Within 48 hours I was waking up with skin splitting nocturnal wood. My gym pumps are nearly as extreme as being on cycle. My recovery is enhanced and my body comp remains lean, tight and vascular. I am on the pollen and added in some other herbs from Super Man.

Don't knock it until you try it. The pollen tincture's less than $30. It's well worth it to try.

Can't wait to hear your results, Wes!

Hank!
04-21-2015, 02:42 PM
guys

any benefit to just using the pine pollen tincture as a starter?

entropy
04-21-2015, 03:23 PM
guys

any benefit to just using the pine pollen tincture as a starter?

From what I've read the tincture has a more hormonal benefit being an extract you can also take it sublingually whereas the powder is more of "superfood".

Cdsnuts
04-21-2015, 04:10 PM
I agree to this 100%

I have a bottle of the SuperMan Herbs Pine Pollen Tincture..from an awesome SS member!!

I can say packaging is awesome...came with nice directions and insert.

I started last night first dosage. Woke up this morning and another dosaging. I will be doing 2mL ED for 30 days and let u guys know my honest opinion.

I got my protocol from FreePress...he says wait until Day 2 for it to work.

I am currently running Epiandro at 400mgs ED..I am also using epimedium blend that I created on my own..libido is good..but would not mind improvements.

I will give as best feedback as I can. I have high hopes for this product...Tinctures in my experience are far better and misunderstood then they might appear on the surface.

I have an ephedra nevendesis tincture that I make myself..and that stuff is legit. Will open sinuses and breathing airways big time.

I'm curious to see if you get any results from it while on.

Cdsnuts
04-21-2015, 04:12 PM
guys

any benefit to just using the pine pollen tincture as a starter?

Yes. You will get benefits from the powder as well. You can use them in combination for a one two punch so to speak. When I do take the powder, I mega dose it for a few days (10g/day) I bought a kilo.....lol. I can't say enough good things about it. I mix it with my protein shakes three times a day. Stuff is amazing.

Cdsnuts
04-21-2015, 04:16 PM
From what I've read the tincture has a more hormonal benefit being an extract you can also take it sublingually whereas the powder is more of "superfood".

This is true, but when you mega dose the powder you get all the benefits of the superfood PLUS the hormonal kick. Win win.

entropy
04-21-2015, 05:22 PM
You know what. I'm in on this. Anything else you'd recommend whilst I'm putting and order in CD or fpr? I think I might try two or three of their products.

Cdsnuts
04-21-2015, 05:47 PM
You know what. I'm in on this. Anything else you'd recommend whilst I'm putting and order in CD or fpr? I think I might try two or three of their products.

Tongkat, Cistanche, He shou wu.

BBG
04-21-2015, 07:19 PM
Aren't the benefits from royal jelly from the pollen that's used to make it? The bees essentially digest the pollen and it makes the pollen way more absorbable/bioavailable.

Cdsnuts
04-22-2015, 05:37 AM
Aren't the benefits from royal jelly from the pollen that's used to make it? The bees essentially digest the pollen and it makes the pollen way more absorbable/bioavailable.

I'm sure some of them are, but I think some may be lost in "processing" inside the bee. Something has to be kept for them to keep them alive. It is their food souce. Also, the pollen and royal jelly both have a completely different feel to me.

Freepressright
04-22-2015, 06:06 AM
Tongkat, Cistanche, He shou wu.

^^ This, especially the tongkat.

As for the pollen powder, I do agree that you will get *some* of the hormonal benefits through eating it, but there will also be a lot of the hormonal benefits destroyed in the digestive process. I'd personally opt for the the tincture AND the powder if hormonal effects are what you're after.

Wait until you feel the pollen in conjunction with the tongkat. It's like getting your vigor back, like getting on an HRT protocol that works. No exaggerating.

entropy
04-22-2015, 07:30 AM
Trying to put an order in now but neither the "Checkout" or "Checkout with Paypal" buttons are working for me. I'll have to try again later.

I've gotta say guys that's some mighty expensive TKA, how do you guys dose it at $40 dollars for 10g? Is it really that much better than the other TKA on the market?


Edit - order in. Grabbed: Pine Pollen tincture, pine powder, some shilijat pitch, he sho wu and cistanche. Can't justify paying the much for tka when I have some here to finish.

Also picked up some liftmode trib.

Freepressright
04-22-2015, 11:55 AM
Trying to put an order in now but neither the "Checkout" or "Checkout with Paypal" buttons are working for me. I'll have to try again later.

I've gotta say guys that's some mighty expensive TKA, how do you guys dose it at $40 dollars for 10g? Is it really that much better than the other TKA on the market?


Edit - order in. Grabbed: Pine Pollen tincture, pine powder, some shilijat pitch, he sho wu and cistanche. Can't justify paying the much for tka when I have some here to finish.

Also picked up some liftmode trib.

Genuine, legit and good TKA is hard to come by. A lot of the other stuff on the market is bunk or of inferior quality. It's a micro dose. Very small scoop. I was thinking there was around 50 days worth.

Freepressright
04-22-2015, 12:02 PM
I stand corrected, there is 33 days worth, dosed at 150 2x daily.

entropy
04-22-2015, 01:53 PM
I stand corrected, there is 33 days worth, dosed at 150 2x daily.

Okay that's actually about six months worth if I run it the way I run my other herbs. I'll drop the cash on some when I run out of mine.

SupermanHerbs9
04-22-2015, 03:19 PM
Good discussion going on here.

Here's my viewpoint about herbs and how they're different than isolated hormones or even nutrients. There's a ton we don't know. Just look at how opinions change in science about nutrition over the years if you don't believe me. Nature is quite wise, at least as far as having things in balanced ratios. That's why I defer to her in most cases. So while we like to focus on the testosterone in pine pollen, it has several other hormones and 200+ vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, enzymes etc. It does a lot more than just work on testosterone. There does appear to be an estrogen detoxing effect with it too for example.

The fact is it works. Not for everyone unfortunately, which is why we do offer a money back guarantee, but for many.

With the nettle root, I'm still not sure one way or another. There does seem to be conflict about it. As was mentioned, I think it'll work great for some people, and not so much for others. Personally its something I take just once in awhile at this point.

FPS the recommended dose on tongkat that we have is 100mg twice a day. At that dose it will last 50 days, even without cycling it. With tongkat ali especially because it works so great there is a lot of crap out there. Not saying there isn't good stuff too, but its not the easiest to find. I know we personally had to go through a couple of suppliers to find some that was up to our quality standards. If you're getting it anywhere else and it is in pills (which they all are), I recommend you crack one open and taste it. It should be the bitterest thing you've ever had. Otherwise its probably not very good.

Cdsnuts
04-22-2015, 03:50 PM
^^ This, especially the tongkat.

As for the pollen powder, I do agree that you will get *some* of the hormonal benefits through eating it, but there will also be a lot of the hormonal benefits destroyed in the digestive process. I'd personally opt for the the tincture AND the powder if hormonal effects are what you're after.

Wait until you feel the pollen in conjunction with the tongkat. It's like getting your vigor back, like getting on an HRT protocol that works. No exaggerating.

Just wait. The best part is, it builds on you. It builds you up from the inside out. It feels REAL, because it is real. Not forced or manufactured like the effects of alot of other supps.

- - - Updated - - -


Trying to put an order in now but neither the "Checkout" or "Checkout with Paypal" buttons are working for me. I'll have to try again later.

I've gotta say guys that's some mighty expensive TKA, how do you guys dose it at $40 dollars for 10g? Is it really that much better than the other TKA on the market?


Edit - order in. Grabbed: Pine Pollen tincture, pine powder, some shilijat pitch, he sho wu and cistanche. Can't justify paying the much for tka when I have some here to finish.

Also picked up some liftmode trib.

Well worth it. Best tongkat I've had, and I've tried alot. That little bag is going to last you a looooong time.

entropy
04-22-2015, 05:10 PM
Just wait. The best part is, it builds on you. It builds you up from the inside out. It feels REAL, because it is real. Not forced or manufactured like the effects of alot of other supps.

- - - Updated - - -



Well worth it. Best tongkat I've had, and I've tried alot. That little bag is going to last you a looooong time.

I got some stuff from world abs about six months back. I realise now its probably pretty low quality since I dosed up to 2g a day.

Cdsnuts
04-22-2015, 06:18 PM
I got some stuff from world abs about six months back. I realise now its probably pretty low quality since I dosed up to 2g a day.
100mg of this stuff and Im feeling alpha all day. Its no joke.

Ape McGrapes
04-22-2015, 06:29 PM
If you could choose one first, Pine pollen Or Tongkat Ali?

Cdsnuts
04-22-2015, 07:17 PM
If you could choose one first, Pine pollen Or Tongkat Ali?
Tough choice for me.....it depends what I was going for. If it was general sense of well being, I would choose pine pollen. If it was to jack my test, I would go tongkat.

Freepressright
04-22-2015, 07:28 PM
Have you tried the tincture version? That is the very essence of jacked test. TKA just puts it totally over the top.

Cdsnuts
04-22-2015, 07:33 PM
Have you tried the tincture version? That is the very essence of jacked test. TKA just puts it totally over the top.
Lol.....me?!?. Um....yea, of course. Its in my rotation and its on my master list I posted a few weeks ago.

There is not very many things I havent tried.

WesleyInman
04-22-2015, 08:08 PM
I am on Day 2. Nothing yet...

BUT..if Freepress and CDS say it works..I believe them 100%.

Some people say give it up to 2 weeks to really kick in. I am excited for this to kick.. I truly have faith that it will.

Will update you guys on my experience in a few days..just to add to this thread :)

Cdsnuts
04-22-2015, 08:20 PM
I am on Day 2. Nothing yet...

BUT..if Freepress and CDS say it works..I believe them 100%.

Some people say give it up to 2 weeks to really kick in. I am excited for this to kick.. I truly have faith that it will.

Will update you guys on my experience in a few days..just to add to this thread :)
The reason why im so curious about your experience Wes is that I dont think your going to get anything out of it given your usage of exogenous hormones.

One of the first things I mentioned when I brought up my herbal protocol a few weeks back is that if your always on, or running different things consistently, the whole regimen most likely would not work.

There are alot of different reasons for this. Androgen receptor sensitivity being one of them.

Ill be surprised if you feel anything from it. Hopefully you do. Definitely keep us posted!

WesleyInman
04-22-2015, 08:37 PM
The reason why im so curious about your experience Wes is that I dont think your going to get anything out of it given your usage of exogenous hormones.

One of the first things I mentioned when I brought up my herbal protocol a few weeks back is that if your always on, or running different things consistently, the whole regimen most likely would not work.

There are alot of different reasons for this. Androgen receptor sensitivity being one of them.

Ill be surprised if you feel anything from it. Hopefully you do. Definitely keep us posted!

I agree to this idea 100%

Still have fingers crossed. Reviews of this product are highly favorable. Top it off that you and FPR say it works..combined with dozens of 5star reviews. I believe this product will work well for most people.

Ape McGrapes
04-22-2015, 08:44 PM
Link to your protocol?

I'm looking for better erection quality, well being, alpha male confidence etc.

Which would stack best with Sustain Alpha?

How does the pollen tincture effect gym performance, body composition and muscle gains?

Enuke65
04-22-2015, 09:51 PM
Put in an order for some of the Spartan blend and pine pollen tincture last week, all antsy in the pantsy for it to arrive after reading everything

ctAL
04-22-2015, 11:35 PM
sup guys

the thread with CDsnuts protocol i stated i picked up some pine pollen tincture

anyways

personally very good experience................immediate effects with sleep and sex drive......i couldnt believe my endurance in the gym also

buddy of mine like didnt believe me at all, he was like im talkin like im on ph or aas...............i could understand so then i said maybe its a really great placebo effect

anyways i just ran 1 bottle high dosed an went thru it pretty damn quick............the place i got it from i cant buy from again because thatd literally burn a hole in my pocket

nate3993
04-23-2015, 12:15 AM
Should have your buddy try it and then see how he likes it high dosed and that would give a true insight.

I wanna use it....but....im on 200 test...bout 80 tren....and now 300 topical epiandro.....unless it jacks up my sex drive....not sure imma be able to distinguish it from the rest.

Cdsnuts
04-23-2015, 04:34 AM
sup guys

the thread with CDsnuts protocol i stated i picked up some pine pollen tincture

anyways

personally very good experience................immediate effects with sleep and sex drive......i couldnt believe my endurance in the gym also

buddy of mine like didnt believe me at all, he was like im talkin like im on ph or aas...............i could understand so then i said maybe its a really great placebo effect

anyways i just ran 1 bottle high dosed an went thru it pretty damn quick............the place i got it from i cant buy from again because thatd literally burn a hole in my pocket

You've seen the benefits of one of the herbs so far. Now you can Imagine how you would feel if you were cycling all 20 on my master list consistently over the course of weeks and months. Bullet proof is the term I use alot lately. Seems to sum it up.

Enuke65
04-23-2015, 05:07 AM
You've seen the benefits of one of the herbs so far. Now you can Imagine how you would feel if you were cycling all 20 on my master list consistently over the course of weeks and months. Bullet proof is the term I use alot lately. Seems to sum it up.

Where is this master list protocol? I've looked through the supplements section but to no avail :-(

Freepressright
04-23-2015, 06:03 AM
This guy believes in cycling herbs and proposes a few different ways, including the way cdsnuts cycles. Interesting read:

How to Cycle Herbal Testosterone Boosters (http://anabolicmen.com/cycling-herbs/)

Cdsnuts
04-23-2015, 06:29 AM
Where is this master list protocol? I've looked through the supplements section but to no avail :-(

Saw Palmetto and Fenugreek...im in trouble! - Page 3 (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/supplements/2607-saw-palmetto-fenugreek-im-trouble-3.html)

Start there and read through.....

Enuke65
04-23-2015, 06:54 PM
Thanks CD.

Side note. USPS can tongue my balls, supposed to deliver today, no delivery. Fuck.

Freepressright
04-24-2015, 05:41 AM
I guess it never occurred to me until cTAL mentioned it, but I've been sleeping like a baby since I've been on this stuff. Definitely an improvement in sleep quality for sure!

Enuke65
04-24-2015, 01:27 PM
Products arrived. Giddy like a schoolgirl.

WesleyInman
04-25-2015, 09:32 AM
Ok I have been sleeping better too..but I am not positive that I can attribute it to this..but it is possible because I do administer this right before bed and it has been the past few days that my sleep has been better..which is in line with the length of time I have been taking this.

Today is first day I woke up with desired morning results. Nothing mind blowing..but noticeably there.

What I have noticed is that ejaculatory volume is slightly higher..aggression and drive is slightly better..and def I have noticed immediate increase in "thickness", not in length. So sex def was improved. I do feel like this spikes my BP a bit too..tbh.

Oddly enough two days in a row..immediately following a workout, in both circumstances, out of the blue..things came to life and wouldn't go away. Like being a teenager again.

I am less then a week in..but I am def seeing some results from this product. I am still taking 2mL each day. Both times on an empty stomach. Just my experiences. I am hoping for even stronger results..will post up again next week.

D-575
04-26-2015, 05:46 PM
I have ALWAYS been a fan of high quality herbs, ALWAYS.

Can't wait to put an order. I'm going for the cordyceps and pine pollen first. Schisandra, rhodiola, and ashwaghanda, YES. I'm really into adaptogens.

Supermanherbs - you guys think you can get a very good quality cissus product? It's very hard to find a top notch extract.

Cobalt
04-26-2015, 08:51 PM
Looks like I jumped on the Pine Pollen train without knowing it.

I got 300g of the pine pollen powder, a bottle of the PP tincture, and 10g of tongkat ali.
Been running the for only a couple days now, but I've been noticing a difference. I'll stick around and give my experiences too.

Freepressright
04-27-2015, 06:56 AM
Looks like I jumped on the Pine Pollen train without knowing it.

I got 300g of the pine pollen powder, a bottle of the PP tincture, and 10g of tongkat ali.
Been running the for only a couple days now, but I've been noticing a difference. I'll stick around and give my experiences too.

Stuff's so amazing that I wish I'd have found it years earlier. I can't believe how well it works.

hossam
04-27-2015, 08:07 AM
each day i increase the dose of the pine pollen powder i found it more beneficial
i have nasal allergy and each 2 weeks or so i get sick with fever for 10 days
which makes my AS cycles less beneficial for me from less workouts and eating
then i discovered garlic oil which prevented me from getting sick but it has a problem of
the bad breath for a complete day!
since i started using pine pollen & Shilajit i didn't get sick so far for 3 weeks
and that is a very good sign for me
also pine pollen powder taste when mixed with pomegranate juice is nice
i wounder how beneficial is these herbs with AS cycles
note : the pine pollen & Shilajit i am using are not from superman herbs but i am posting her my
experience with the herbs

Mad Mardigan
04-27-2015, 10:44 AM
The Shilajit pitch is pretty damn good. Seems real to me, and the effects are substantial. I've only tried some capsules from other vendors, which I've recently found out most Shilajit caps are BS. This completely blows them away.

Cobalt
04-27-2015, 11:03 AM
What effects are you getting from the shilajit pitch?

strykers12
04-27-2015, 01:28 PM
time to get in on the action. bought pine pollen tincture.

Swill
04-27-2015, 02:14 PM
Trying to put an order in now but neither the "Checkout" or "Checkout with Paypal" buttons are working for me. I'll have to try again later.

I've gotta say guys that's some mighty expensive TKA, how do you guys dose it at $40 dollars for 10g? Is it really that much better than the other TKA on the market?


Edit - order in. Grabbed: Pine Pollen tincture, pine powder, some shilijat pitch, he sho wu and cistanche. Can't justify paying the much for tka when I have some here to finish.

Also picked up some liftmode trib.

Entropy, I notice you're from the UK too; just wondering if you got stung with an import fee when it came through to you? I can't remember how much but I got stung quite heavy when I had stuff delivered here.. had my wife (another Yankee import of mine :p) bring them over when she was leaving the states but already thinking about my next order.

Swill
04-27-2015, 02:27 PM
I have been taking the herbs for around a month now, and have found them beneficial in a lot of ways... Im on a take of CDs protocol cycling 9 herbs daily while megadosing pine pollen.

Note: I'm a new guy, not sure if theres an introductory thread but ill do a search... nice to meet you all, from looking around here there is some fantastic info to tap in to. CD has spoken highly of this community and I can absolutely see why. I am a PFS guy too, 2 year sufferer unfortunately. Sexual sides quite bad, but thankfully none of the mental sides.

One thing I can add is that this is one of the few natty things that has really helped me put on mass... unfortunately its made me put on a little fat on the belly too (I suspect I'm dealing with E issues, my aromatase goes nuts when I raise T levels by any means) but Im sure this is purely down to my predicament. The fact this is helping with mass is huge and a success where so many other things i've tried have failed. Makes you feel like a million dollars too, I take the Lions Mane in the morning with some redbush tea and feel mentally sharp as a button all day.

It has had an initial detrimental effect on my libido in my case, but again I'm certain this is due to the extra E in my system that I am dealing with, and for the benefits it is giving me through strength and mass, I am certainly going to persevere for a while.

Definitely a case of you getting what you pay for with these herbs, highly recommended to anyone considering.

entropy
04-27-2015, 03:04 PM
Welcome, Swill. I remember you from that other negative forum and you're definitely one of the good guys. Have you tried something like res100/sustain alpha? If you're having an aromatase issue as you suspect then it might make sense to bind something else up to that enzyme. I can't speak for sustain but res100 is pretty great estrogen control. English had some decent results with an AI too.

Mad Mardigan
04-27-2015, 05:26 PM
What effects are you getting from the shilajit pitch?

Got an almost instant energy boost from first dose. Real energy, not an artificial stimulant energy. Mind was sharp noticeably. Just felt fantastic really. One 250 mg dose seemed to really benefit mental acuity all day and night with no trouble sleeping whatsoever. Even felt great the next morning. On day 4 now and I am probably going to make this a staple. A little hard to work with at first (it is like tar) but very worth it to me. Maybe I was previously deficient in some mineral or something but Damn I feel good.

Cobalt
04-28-2015, 08:05 AM
Nice, I'm going to get some more Tongkat Ali powder, so maybe I'll pick up some shilajit pitch too. So many tempting herbs on the site, lol.

nate3993
04-28-2015, 01:31 PM
hmmm. that pitch sounds intriguing

Swill
04-28-2015, 01:35 PM
I've been using the shilajit powder, which is good, but I hear the pitch is far, far superior... will be stocking up on that next time!

Swill
04-28-2015, 01:41 PM
Welcome, Swill. I remember you from that other negative forum and you're definitely one of the good guys. Have you tried something like res100/sustain alpha? If you're having an aromatase issue as you suspect then it might make sense to bind something else up to that enzyme. I can't speak for sustain but res100 is pretty great estrogen control. English had some decent results with an AI too.

Thanks Entropy! Do you get stung with big import tax costs when you buy from Super Man over here in the UK? Don't know if it will work out cheaper to have them shipped to my wifes family (which live Stateside) and have it sent on as a 'gift' from there.

I've got some res100 from an old PCT i was doing... I have the full Wicked Supps stack infact. Im not familiar with Sustain Alpha?

Don't want to thread bomb, and will hopefully start a thread looking for advice on my own situation in due course but theres a lot to read and learn from this site first that may answer some of my questions, so don't want to waste peoples time answering stuff thats already covered.

entropy
04-28-2015, 01:48 PM
Thanks Entropy! Do you get stung with big import tax costs when you buy from Super Man over here in the UK? Don't know if it will work out cheaper to have them shipped to my wifes family (which live Stateside) and have it sent on as a 'gift' from there.

I've got some res100 from an old PCT i was doing... I have the full Wicked Supps stack infact. Im not familiar with Sustain Alpha?

Don't want to thread bomb, and will hopefully start a thread looking for advice on my own situation in due course but theres a lot to read and learn from this site first that may answer some of my questions, so don't want to waste peoples time answering stuff thats already covered.

Postage is fairly high but no import cost that I've seen so far. Haven't had my order from SH so can't tell you for certain but I doubt there will be any import cost.

Is that you in your avatar bro? If it is, we'll definitely be able to help you out. Looking forward to reading your story.

Swill
04-28-2015, 02:11 PM
Postage is fairly high but no import cost that I've seen so far. Haven't had my order from SH so can't tell you for certain but I doubt there will be any import cost.

Is that you in your avatar bro? If it is, we'll definitely be able to help you out. Looking forward to reading your story.

I got stung once with import fee from them so had my wife bring over my recent purchases with her... Will have to give it another go.

Yeah man that is me a few months back, put on a bit more mass and a bit more body fat since i've been cycling the superman herbs (any sign of elevating my T sends my aromatase into overdrive) and I have low-normal T without supplementation normally (I took part in the PFS Study in Baylor last month so have recent 'clean' labs). When I'm totally natty I can 'tone' well, but putting on bulk is an issue.

Where in the UK are you man?

Hank!
04-28-2015, 02:27 PM
Ordered both the Pine Pollen powder and tincture, and it arrived very fast. Mega dosed power last night, and took 30 drops of the tinc last night ( yes wood at 3a)
I have had some pretty horrid powders, Focus Dirt probably being the most unpleasant, thankfully the Pine Pollen powder is very mild.

Looking forward to this experiment.

Cobalt
04-28-2015, 05:56 PM
Ordered both the Pine Pollen powder and tincture, and it arrived very fast. Mega dosed power last night, and took 30 drops of the tinc last night ( yes wood at 3a)
I have had some pretty horrid powders, Focus Dirt probably being the most unpleasant, thankfully the Pine Pollen powder is very mild.

Looking forward to this experiment.

Lol, the pine pollen isn't too bad at all. Try the tongkat ali powder, that shit is downright horrid.

Enuke65
04-28-2015, 06:58 PM
Wait you took 30 drops of the tincture? Like 30 droppers full or 30 droplets from the dropper?

Mad Mardigan
04-29-2015, 01:24 AM
I've got the pine powder and the tincture as well. Taking a minimal dose of the pine powder, saving the tincture for a possible pct/bridge into pct. Got some ant too. Interesting feeling I get knowing I am drinking bugs.

Speck
04-29-2015, 06:18 AM
How's the taste of the ant powder? Delicious?

hossam
04-29-2015, 08:45 AM
once you get use to the ant powder you will start hunting bugs in the streets!

i will never ever put that in my stomach!

Mad Mardigan
04-29-2015, 12:34 PM
It doesn't taste good but not nearly as bad as some herbs. Once you get past the mental image it's just like anything else. Trace minerals and ecdysterone, why not.

Hank!
04-29-2015, 02:49 PM
Wait you took 30 drops of the tincture? Like 30 droppers full or 30 droplets from the dropper?

30 droplets from the dropper.

Cdsnuts
04-29-2015, 08:01 PM
Maybe I was previously deficient in some mineral or something but Damn I feel good.

This is exactly how I feel about these herbs. Its like they simply fill in the gaps where we are lacking and bring everything up to speed the way it should be. Better sleep, better energy, better sex, and better performance.

Cdsnuts
04-29-2015, 08:02 PM
Stuff's so amazing that I wish I'd have found it years earlier. I can't believe how well it works.
The longer you cycle them, the better things will get. The effects build upon themselves exponentially.

ctAL
04-30-2015, 06:40 AM
Got an almost instant energy boost from first dose. Real energy, not an artificial stimulant energy. Mind was sharp noticeably. Just felt fantastic really. One 250 mg dose seemed to really benefit mental acuity all day and night with no trouble sleeping whatsoever. Even felt great the next morning. On day 4 now and I am probably going to make this a staple. A little hard to work with at first (it is like tar) but very worth it to me. Maybe I was previously deficient in some mineral or something but Damn I feel good.

im def picking this up

it seems good to stack with ashwagandha

Cobalt
04-30-2015, 08:50 AM
Been on Pine Powder / Tincture and Tongkat Ali for a week or so now. 6 grams/day of the pine powder and a dropper full of the tincture split into a morning and evening dose. 200mg of tongkat split into 2 doses as well.
I'm honestly not getting morning wood. I'm getting fucking morning STEEL. I've read a lot about this stuff but holy crap this is intense. Great stuff here, going to have to buy more soon.

entropy
04-30-2015, 02:39 PM
Been on Pine Powder / Tincture and Tongkat Ali for a week or so now. 6 grams/day of the pine powder and a dropper full of the tincture split into a morning and evening dose. 200mg of tongkat split into 2 doses as well.
I'm honestly not getting morning wood. I'm getting fucking morning STEEL. I've read a lot about this stuff but holy crap this is intense. Great stuff here, going to have to buy more soon.

I love reading this stuff from you guys with a tonne of experience with AAS, it's one hell of an endorsement. I'm really going to have to pick up some of that tka soon.

Still waiting on my order, hoping there's no customs charge but will report back when it arrives.

Freepressright
04-30-2015, 02:59 PM
im def picking this up

it seems good to stack with ashwagandha

I bought Swanson's Ashwagandha. Great stuff. The NOW brand only has 1.5% of actives. The Swanson has 5%. A TON of 5 star reviews, too. And not expensive.

Running the Ashwagandha with the pollen tincture, TKA, he shou wu and the Swanson 50% icariin.

Sex drive is insane, vascularity is over the top, pumps excellent, wood is rock hard and I have acne on my back and upper arms. This feels like being on cycle, no joke.

Cdsnuts
04-30-2015, 08:59 PM
I bought Swanson's Ashwagandha. Great stuff. The NOW brand only has 1.5% of actives. The Swanson has 5%. A TON of 5 star reviews, too. And not expensive.

Running the Ashwagandha with the pollen tincture, TKA, he shou wu and the Swanson 50% icariin.

Sex drive is insane, vascularity is over the top, pumps excellent, wood is rock hard and I have acne on my back and upper arms. This feels like being on cycle, no joke.
The superman ashwaganda is of course, excellent. It gives the feeling of being alpha but its more of a smooth relaxed buzz.

Brazilianguy
05-01-2015, 03:23 PM
Guys, do you have some tips to get the biggest effect from these herbs? I mean, besides the cyclying 7 herbs everyday a different herb.

I saw some people saying that milk with a lot of fat is good. Some say a diet without sugar and carbs. But I would to read your opinion about it, wanna read your experiences. What about fruits?

I'm asking because I'm one of those pfs guys but I don't want to disturb anybody with it. My protocol is working I'm getting better the problem is to get cured I need these herbs to work because my protocol just give me a better baseline when these herbs work. I mean, I get up from these herbs and then I got back to pfs state but always better than before everytime I do it I get better and better by my reading this is the process to get cured from this shit. Thank you guys.

entropy
05-01-2015, 03:40 PM
Trial and error buddy, what might be right for you might not be right for me and vice versa. Gotta keep trying things out. I can definitely recommend a decent amount of good fats in your diet, grass fed butter, olive oil, coconut oil etc.

ctAL
05-01-2015, 03:52 PM
I bought Swanson's Ashwagandha. Great stuff. The NOW brand only has 1.5% of actives. The Swanson has 5%. A TON of 5 star reviews, too. And not expensive.

Running the Ashwagandha with the pollen tincture, TKA, he shou wu and the Swanson 50% icariin.

Sex drive is insane, vascularity is over the top, pumps excellent, wood is rock hard and I have acne on my back and upper arms. This feels like being on cycle, no joke.

nice! im gonna pick up a few more things

WesleyInman
05-01-2015, 05:50 PM
Supermanherbs - you guys think you can get a very good quality cissus product? It's very hard to find a top notch extract.

D-575..go with Prescription Nutritions version. Sold as Joint Rebuild. Its 100% legit. You can get it at gymntonic.com or rxwhey.com

Update:

Just to add my 2 cents to this product. Been using regularly. Sleep is def improved..though I wake up much earlier then I want to. I do feel wide awake

I have noticed a slight bit more sexual aggression, sensitivity during sex and then def some fuller erections..I do get some morning ones, but not every morning like everyone else.

As CDS said..i abused AAS/and have been on and off PH's for awhile now..so my response may vary from yours. Overall I do feel it working. My response is not clearly as good as the other guys..but nonetheless..this product def is noticeable.

D-575
05-02-2015, 04:28 PM
D-575..go with Prescription Nutritions version. Sold as Joint Rebuild. Its 100% legit. You can get it at gymntonic.com or rxwhey.com


Thanks Wesley. I've always wondered how good PN's stuff is, they have such an incredible variety.

Speck
05-02-2015, 06:20 PM
Isn't He Shou Wu supposed to be quite estrogenic?

strykers12
05-09-2015, 10:19 AM
anyone have experience with reishi? i ordered the 3 mushroom blend but found out that it is an 5a reductase inhibitor:(

Freepressright
05-11-2015, 06:47 AM
anyone have experience with reishi? i ordered the 3 mushroom blend but found out that it is an 5a reductase inhibitor:(

A lot of mushrooms are either anti-DHT or pro-estrogen, therefore as a safety measure, I generally stay away from all of them.

Swill
05-11-2015, 08:03 AM
A lot of mushrooms are either anti-DHT or pro-estrogen, therefore as a safety measure, I generally stay away from all of them.

Do you happen to know if that is the case with Lions Mane? I use the lions mane for superman herbs and have read nothing but good things, largely to do with neurological benefits and that it leads to secretion of nerve growth factor... All positive for me battling my finasteride sides, but if its anti-DHT this could cause trouble maybe?

Freepressright
05-11-2015, 08:40 AM
Do you happen to know if that is the case with Lions Mane? I use the lions mane for superman herbs and have read nothing but good things, largely to do with neurological benefits and that it leads to secretion of nerve growth factor... All positive for me battling my finasteride sides, but if its anti-DHT this could cause trouble maybe?

I don't have any firsthand knowledge.

If you've been using it and it isn't causing you issues, then you know it's a winner for you. Sometimes you just have to try something and see if it agrees with you. If it doesn't, then discontinue immediately.

Swill
05-11-2015, 01:22 PM
Given my sexual baseline is far from normal and naturally fluctuates, it is tricky to establish whether something gives me issues; I would say that it doesn't do me any harm in any other sense (i dont 'feel' excess estrogen from it and it makes me feel great mentally - a real clarity and feeling sharper minded) so my gut feeling is if anything it is doing good not harm. I dose it in the morning and it goes great with a decaf tea, feel like it sets me up for work great.

I'm almost out of it so will have a few weeks off before the new order arrives, and ill monitor whats going on at that point.

5 alpha victim
06-15-2015, 07:18 PM
For the record its res100, transynergy DAA and probably some kind of mucuna.


What is it about DDA that increases Prolactin?

What is it about Macuna that decreases Prolactin?

I Apologize if this had been discussed in detail anywhere but I searched for info regarding both questions and could not find anything major. It seems like a good thing to know seeing that I'm running my first DHT pro hormone cycle.

Freepressright
06-16-2015, 06:31 AM
What is it about DDA that increases Prolactin?

What is it about Macuna that decreases Prolactin?

I Apologize if this had been discussed in detail anywhere but I searched for info regarding both questions and could not find anything major. It seems like a good thing to know seeing that I'm running my first DHT pro hormone cycle.

I have never read what makes DAA elevate prolactin. But I can tell you that Mucuna decreases prolactin by increasing dopamine. Dopamine suppresses prolactin.

Mucuna is essentially nature's Cabergoline.

5 alpha victim
06-18-2015, 10:10 PM
Awesome. Really good to know.

Swill
06-22-2015, 01:27 PM
Back on topic, I recently picked up some of the new Shilajit pitch they have and it feels really potent, a strong step up from the powder.

I'm continuing to cycle my supps in rotation along with pine pollen powder, shilajit pitch and lions mane daily... feeling great and hitting PB's in the gym at the moment, definitely doing great things.

WesleyInman
06-23-2015, 09:00 AM
My overall feedback on the Pine Pollen was that I did have more erections and more overall sensitivity sex drive wise and small increases in libido.

It did not blow me out of the water, but I cannot dispute and say it didn't work.

Another odd thing, was I lost some weight quick when I was dosing multiple times per day. Not sure why, but it seemed to almost have a thermogenic type effect for me, and/or eliminated water. I am not positive why, but it was noticeable.

entropy
06-23-2015, 09:06 AM
My overall feedback on the Pine Pollen was that I did have more erections and more overall sensitivity sex drive wise and small increases in libido.

It did not blow me out of the water, but I cannot dispute and say it didn't work.

Another odd thing, was I lost some weight quick when I was dosing multiple times per day. Not sure why, but it seemed to almost have a thermogenic type effect for me, and/or eliminated water. I am not positive why, but it was noticeable.

I think this actually speaks volumes for the product considering you're usually running some kinda hormonal products too?

Freepressright
06-23-2015, 10:07 AM
With regard to Super Man's Tongkat Ali, the effect was really dying off for me. So I took some time off and came back running 300mg 2x daily and BAM! Wow, fatigue fighting, clear headed, focused energy and sex drive jumped WAY into action.

The suggested dose is only 100mg 2x daily, but having history of hormone use, I figure my body probably needed more.

Cdsnuts
06-23-2015, 07:45 PM
With regard to Super Man's Tongkat Ali, the effect was really dying off for me. So I took some time off and came back running 300mg 2x daily and BAM! Wow, fatigue fighting, clear headed, focused energy and sex drive jumped WAY into action.

The suggested dose is only 100mg 2x daily, but having history of hormone use, I figure my body probably needed more.
Thats tolerance in action right there. Eventually the same thing is going to happen with the dose you are on now.

Cdsnuts
06-23-2015, 07:46 PM
Back on topic, I recently picked up some of the new Shilajit pitch they have and it feels really potent, a strong step up from the powder.

I'm continuing to cycle my supps in rotation along with pine pollen powder, shilajit pitch and lions mane daily... feeling great and hitting PB's in the gym at the moment, definitely doing great things.
The powder doesn't really do shit for me. It pales in comparison to the pitch.

Brazilianguy
06-23-2015, 09:18 PM
With regard to Super Man's Tongkat Ali, the effect was really dying off for me. So I took some time off and came back running 300mg 2x daily and BAM! Wow, fatigue fighting, clear headed, focused energy and sex drive jumped WAY into action.

The suggested dose is only 100mg 2x daily, but having history of hormone use, I figure my body probably needed more.


How is your diet? Extinguir anything sugary? Some people say sugar can break the tongkat effects.
How many days without taking before start taking again?

hossam
06-23-2015, 11:14 PM
My overall feedback on the Pine Pollen was that I did have more erections and more overall sensitivity sex drive wise and small increases in libido.

It did not blow me out of the water, but I cannot dispute and say it didn't work.

Another odd thing, was I lost some weight quick when I was dosing multiple times per day. Not sure why, but it seemed to almost have a thermogenic type effect for me, and/or eliminated water. I am not positive why, but it was noticeable.

yes Wes, i noticed the elimination of water & fat burning with the Pine pollen powder
when dosed high

Mad Mardigan
06-24-2015, 04:52 AM
Shilajit is the shit. I love this stuff. Been using the pitch, gonna try the resin soon. And picking up some schizandra.

Freepressright
06-24-2015, 06:38 AM
Thats tolerance in action right there. Eventually the same thing is going to happen with the dose you are on now.

You're most likely correct. I've found my body will adapt very quickly to what I put in it. But for right now, the high dose feels incredible.

This is one that I'd probably do a week on/week off cycle with, as opposed to the recommended 5 on/2 off - or rotational cycle like you. Since this product has been studied for a TRT alternative, I think taking it consecutively and consistently is a winning strategy, but I definitely have to find a strategy for re-sensitizing.

And Brazilianguy: I eat a VERY low sugar diet and my carb intake is also very sensible as well.

Brazilianguy
06-24-2015, 07:13 AM
You're most likely correct. I've found my body will adapt very quickly to what I put in it. But for right now, the high dose feels incredible.

This is one that I'd probably do a week on/week off cycle with, as opposed to the recommended 5 on/2 off - or rotational cycle like you. Since this product has been studied for a TRT alternative, I think taking it consecutively and consistently is a winning strategy, but I definitely have to find a strategy for re-sensitizing.

And Brazilianguy: I eat a VERY low sugar diet and my carb intake is also very sensible as well.

I know one guy that did 2 weeks on 4 days or one week of and it was alright for him. Re-sensitizing is exaclty what I'm looking for, people often don't realise how these herbs are powerful because they didn't work, there must be a reason for that, maybe sugar, low fat, high cortisol.

I wonder if fruits are ok to eat (natural sugar) But I'm not sure.

entropy
06-24-2015, 07:31 AM
I know one guy that did 2 weeks on 4 days or one week of and it was alright for him. Re-sensitizing is exaclty what I'm looking for, people often don't realise how these herbs are powerful because they didn't work, there must be a reason for that, maybe sugar, low fat, high cortisol.

I wonder if fruits are ok to eat (natural sugar) But I'm not sure.

I have a little rule with food and other substances. If it comes in a little blister pack with a name ending in "ide", you probably shouldn't risk it. A handful of blueberries or an apple? Give 'em a try and see if they agree with you. I've yet to find food that causes a problem for me tbh

Brazilianguy
06-29-2015, 07:51 AM
I was thinking maybe the herbs stop working because our estrogen increase along with the T and we stop feeling the effects?
And the rotation would work because some herbs increase T, others decrease E, others prolactin.

Increasing E also increase cortisol too, that's why we stop getting gains. What do you guys think?

5 alpha victim
07-02-2015, 10:19 PM
Try throwing some Adaptogens in the mix. Adaptogens can balance cortisol out in your body. They can actually balance out more than just cortisol. Raising it or lowering it as needed. I'm cycling three diff types of Adaptogens. Four days on each one. This is seperate and in addition to my 7 diff natty T booster cycle. One day on each.

I'm feeling the best I have in a while

Swill
07-21-2015, 02:13 PM
Anybody tried both and have an opinion on the SMH Shilajit Pitch vs Shilajit Resin?

I have tried the powder and the resin (I said I had pitch incorrectly in the previous post) and the resin is far better... really fucking good. They're running out of stock for months soon on the resin so just wondering if I should stock up or if the pitch is as good from anyone that has tried both.

Mad Mardigan
08-06-2015, 02:45 AM
I have both on hand currently. I use a greater amount of pitch, and seem to notice more from it. I will try a higher amount of resin over the next few days to see if I notice anything different.

Cdsnuts
08-06-2015, 10:05 PM
Anybody tried both and have an opinion on the SMH Shilajit Pitch vs Shilajit Resin?

I have tried the powder and the resin (I said I had pitch incorrectly in the previous post) and the resin is far better... really fucking good. They're running out of stock for months soon on the resin so just wondering if I should stock up or if the pitch is as good from anyone that has tried both.
I have both as I have just recently got the resin. Out of the three of them I prefer the pitch as I feel it gives me the best punch

Mad Mardigan
08-18-2015, 11:43 AM
I have to agree on the pitch. Seems to enhance energy levels more than the resin from my observations.

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03-02-2016, 03:58 PM
Where is Superman Herbs located? Just read the whole thread, y'all just got me interested in a couple. Pine pollen and TKA.

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03-02-2016, 06:13 PM
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