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Freepressright
04-23-2015, 12:16 PM
I don't know about the others on this board, but I've tried for years to find an epimedium with a respectable amount of icariin that wasn't total garbage. I have never, ever found a 10 or 20-percent concentration that did a DAMN thing in the way of PDE5 inhibition, and or nitric oxide response.

I recently bought some Powder City 40% icariin, and I swear it's tribulus. It's IDENTICAL to my Liftmode tribulus in appearance, taste, texture and smell. I took 3x the dosage and didn't really get any noticeable results.

That's disappointing, because not only is icariin a potent natural PDE-5 inhibitor (or so I'm told by people who have had LEGIT 98%) but it's also a documented testosterone mimetic and has some androgenic benefit.

From what I've learned about epimedium, the higher the concentration of icariin, the more pale and/or yellow it is. The shitty, low-grade stuff is brown like tribulus and gets paler as the concentration increases. The supposed 40% from Powder City is brown as dirt. But I happened to check yesterday and Swanson just started carrying a 50% icariin, which is a huge surprise.

They had pictures of the capsules, and sure enough, it's to the yellowish side, suggesting it's most likely legit. It's on sale for $19.95 right now, which is a steal if it's really 50%.

10 grams of 98% will run you around $90.

The suggested dosage on the 98% is 30mg, 3x daily, for a total of 90mg per day.

Swanson sells you 30, 300mg capsules. If it's roughly half the strength of the 98%, the math would make sense. The order is in, we'll just have to wait and see what it does, if anything.

Who around here has tried an icariin-based product that was legit?

Freepressright
04-23-2015, 12:21 PM
In the spoon is the Powder City "40%" icariin. In the baggie is Liftmode's 90% tribulus. Looks virtually identical, also tastes and smells the same.

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In the photograph is Swanson's new 50% -- pale like it should be.

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Hank!
04-23-2015, 01:14 PM
I bought some Powder City "Adrafinil", at 3 caps I feel just as sleepy as no caps.

Mad Mardigan
04-24-2015, 12:29 AM
That is disappointing. I was told recently Powder City had high quality stuff and made an order. All noots and amino acids though, no herbs.

Freepressright
04-24-2015, 06:18 AM
That is disappointing. I was told recently Powder City had high quality stuff and made an order. All noots and amino acids though, no herbs.

I bought some raspberry ketone powder from them and it seems legit, but I'm standing by my theory that this supposed icariin is tribulus.

I wrote to them, and to their credit, they responded immediately and multiple times saying they were checking with their supplier and test folks. They wanted the lot, batch and QC numbers off the bag. They said that they checked with their supplier and that the test showed it was legitimate (I have no idea if this is or isn't the case. It is what it is).

I sent them the picture and told them the taste, smell and appearance were identical to my trib. Here was their reply:

"We did check this against our tribulus as you mentioned it was pretty identical to a competitors, however, there are some very slight taste differences. My supply chain manager did note that most plant extracted powders are going to taste similar for that simple fact."

I'm still not sure, though. And having tried a number of different extracted powders, I've never, EVER come across two that tasted similar to any remarkable degree.

Ape McGrapes
04-24-2015, 07:51 AM
Lift mode made a 95% Icariin. Do they not anymore?

O.N.
04-24-2015, 08:04 AM
Why would you not want to just use low dose Cialis?

Freepressright
04-24-2015, 08:27 AM
Lift mode made a 95% Icariin. Do they not anymore?

Based on the feedback I've seen on it, I've reached the conclusion that it is a crapshoot, for a few possible reasons.

Fresh, 98% icariin should kick hard. Anyone who tried C*ck Strong by PN will tell you it was up there with pharma.

I've talked to a person or two who ran LiftMode's and wasn't impressed. And the reviews are not that stellar. That's either because:

1. It might not be genuine

OR

2. The icariin was poorly preserved and perished

That is a major problem with icariin in high potency. The potency fades if it is not preserved properly.

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Why would you not want to just use low dose Cialis?

The testosterone mimetic properties of the icariin make it more beneficial for an anabolic aid than low-dose Cialis. I have no qualms with low-dose Cialis, either.

Ape McGrapes
04-24-2015, 08:44 AM
That's if we believe that what PN said was in cockstrong really was.

O.N.
04-24-2015, 08:59 AM
The testosterone mimetic properties of the icariin make it more beneficial for an anabolic aid than low-dose Cialis. I have no qualms with low-dose Cialis, either.

You should just use a decent test booster with cialis then....and cialis has been proven to increase testosterone too.

Freepressright
04-24-2015, 09:06 AM
You should just use a decent test booster with cialis then....and cialis has been proven to increase testosterone too.

I'm into a myriad of Chinese herbs for testosterone enhancement and have access to all of the Cialis I want, anytime I want it.

I still would like to add some legit icariin to my herbal cycle rotation. Plus it's always fun finding an herbal that really works.

Freepressright
04-24-2015, 09:08 AM
That's if we believe that what PN said was in cockstrong really was.

I had that thought also, but a respected member of this forum told me he was face-to-face with the 98% icariin that was used for C*ckstrong, and according to him, it was so potent that it numbed your tongue like lidocaine.

WesleyInman
04-25-2015, 09:36 AM
That's if we believe that what PN said was in cockstrong really was.

This was definitively 98% grade. If you inspected the caps...and I did..they were bright yellow..super high quality. Plus it had DAA and some other goodies in it.

The cockstrong was better then Cialis imo. I would hands down choose it over it. It had far superior results for me and I have a script for Cialis. I do love cialis. Cialis is prob easier to get then 98% legit epimedium. Thing is..cockstrong was $30 bucks for 30 caps. Compared to Cialis, if you dont have health insurance it is 30 bucks for a 20mg caps, unless of course you use "altnernate" means to acquire it.

So cockstrong was superior and legal. Cialis script is solid alternative of course. Levitra too.

Bam24
04-25-2015, 09:55 AM
This was definitively 98% grade. If you inspected the caps...and I did..they were bright yellow..super high quality. Plus it had DAA and some other goodies in it.

The cockstrong was better then Cialis imo. I would hands down choose it over it. It had far superior results for me and I have a script for Cialis. I do love cialis. Cialis is prob easier to get then 98% legit epimedium. Thing is..cockstrong was $30 bucks for 30 caps. Compared to Cialis, if you dont have health insurance it is 30 bucks for a 20mg caps, unless of course you use "altnernate" means to acquire it.

So cockstrong was superior and legal. Cialis script is solid alternative of course. Levitra too.

Is pn going to bring back c*ck strong?? I'd love to give it a go..


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GYMnTONIC.com
04-25-2015, 09:59 AM
Is pn going to bring back c*ck strong?? I'd love to give it a go..


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It has been discussed repeatedly. We are ready to carry this and have literally begged for it to come back.

The issues are twofold. 1) Legal PDE 5-inhibitors are on the chopping block since they compete with and can defeat many pharm grade versions. So it is common to hear of Legal Packages being "lost" in the mail. This is their effort to curb sales. Not legal of course..but it happens.
2) Epimedium 98% must be bought in huge lots to get it to a decent price. It is very expensive in small increments. Then even if you buy it in bulk from China..u have to deal with the potential for Issue#1 - mysteriously lost packages that often cannot be insured.

So this is the current hold-up.

Bam24
04-25-2015, 11:30 AM
Thanks for the info.. Sucks the pharm companies can just crush anyone they feel is a threat. Bogus!!


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Freepressright
04-26-2015, 01:28 PM
This was definitively 98% grade. If you inspected the caps...and I did..they were bright yellow..super high quality. Plus it had DAA and some other goodies in it.

The cockstrong was better then Cialis imo. I would hands down choose it over it. It had far superior results for me and I have a script for Cialis. I do love cialis. Cialis is prob easier to get then 98% legit epimedium. Thing is..cockstrong was $30 bucks for 30 caps. Compared to Cialis, if you dont have health insurance it is 30 bucks for a 20mg caps, unless of course you use "altnernate" means to acquire it.

So cockstrong was superior and legal. Cialis script is solid alternative of course. Levitra too.

I wish like hell I could have tried this stuff. The only thing I question the wisdom of is adding the DAA. Not only is plain-form DAA particularly disturbing to a lot of folks' GI tracts (mine especially) but it also has a serious propensity for raising prolactin, which we know doesn't lend itself to sexual performance. I probably would not take it without pairing it with some sort of a potent dopamine antagonist.

Freepressright
04-27-2015, 11:44 AM
And the verdict on Swanson's new 50% icariin is:

LEGIT!

It's a very pale brown, almost to the yellow side. I opened the capsule, poured the powder on the spoon and consumed 300mg of the powder on an empty stomach. Within 30 minutes I felt some head pressure around the sinus area, temples and at the front of the skull. This was not as pronounced as a pharma-grade PDE-5 inhbitor, but was there nonetheless. Ears also became warm.

Function was enhanced. It was about 60% as strong as a pharma-grade product, but it does work.

Cockstrong was dosed at 300mg of 98%. So I'm guessing that doubling the dose to 600mg would produce pharma-like results. Haven't tried that yet, though.

It should be noted that the Swanson powder tasted NOTHING at all like Powder City's 40%, which tasted, looked and smelled just like tribulus. This was closer to the flavor of Superman's Spartan Adaptagen blend, to be honest.

That tells me Powder City's stuff is bogus.

Bam24
04-27-2015, 12:10 PM
Amazon has some^^. Claims 98%. By lift mode.


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Freepressright
04-27-2015, 12:16 PM
Amazon has some^^. Claims 98%. By lift mode.


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I saw it. And I almost bought some a while back but hesitated for a couple of reasons. Price was one of them. I just didn't have the spare cash. And then I read some posts saying it was bogus. However, their tribulus 90% is far from bogus, and upon researching it further last night, it appears that most all of the positive reviews are verified buyers. Most of the negative ones are not. That leads me to believe the negative reviewers might be shills.

I do seem to recall someone saying they tried it and they weren't all that impressed with it. I've read that an extraction with that high of a percentage is a crapshoot because it's difficult to preserve the potency of it and sometimes it becomes over-refined.

Again, in the interest of full disclosure, I have not tried it.

Supposedly, the 50 to 60% extractions are considered the sweet spots for icariin, or at least that's what my research tells me. I'm just elated to have finally found an icariin product that works. The 10 and 20% never did shit for me. And I'm pretty sure Powder City's 40% is totally bogus.

I may try the liftmode next, but it's only 5 grams for $49. Will have to see if I can come off that much cash for that small of a quantity of product.

nate3993
04-27-2015, 12:24 PM
ill tried it. wasn't better than cialis by any means...not bad.....but i honestly get more from maca than i do that....but then again every person"s chemistry is different....so what doesn't do much for me might be spectacular for you.

BBG
04-27-2015, 12:51 PM
ill tried it. wasn't better than cialis by any means...not bad.....but i honestly get more from maca than i do that....but then again every person"s chemistry is different....so what doesn't do much for me might be spectacular for you.

You were using macapro right? I think we were using it around the same time. What dose?

Freepressright
04-27-2015, 12:53 PM
You were using macapro right? I think we were using it around the same time. What dose?

I've yet to find a maca that made me feel anything, unfortunately.

Mad Mardigan
04-29-2015, 01:25 AM
Macapro helped a little with my last pct. Was the only maca I've tried worth a damn imo.

BBG
04-29-2015, 08:26 AM
I've yet to find a maca that made me feel anything, unfortunately.


Macapro helped a little with my last pct. Was the only maca I've tried worth a damn imo.

Yeah I've used bulk macs from two different sources and it didn't do anything. Macapro definitely gave me an edge libido and load size wise. But I haven't tried any other extracts,just the bulk powder like I said.

Hank!
04-29-2015, 02:54 PM
Way back I was using Now Maca and Now Fenugreek , that stuff seemed legit.

based on Nates endorsement I am using Maca pro now, at 4 caps a day. NOt really seeing anything, maybe iI ahve become immune.

I think I am going to find some clomid & run real low dose see how that affects the giblets.

nate3993
04-29-2015, 09:13 PM
Bioperine helps with Maca. I also like Liftmode's Maca at like 2 or so grams a day. I did find with that one the more i used the better it got and almost didn't have a cap on effects.

5 alpha victim
05-16-2015, 07:17 PM
Icariin 60â„¢ Horny Goat Weed Extract | HIGH-STRENGTH (http://worldabs.com/collections/pure-range/products/icariin60)

Here is a Icarrin product from world abs.
I'm using it in a natural T Herb cycle . Im cycling 7 diff products and so far it's hard for me to say how good this product works because I am only two weeks in and have only hit this twice.

entropy
05-16-2015, 07:28 PM
Icariin 60â„¢ Horny Goat Weed Extract | HIGH-STRENGTH (http://worldabs.com/collections/pure-range/products/icariin60)

Here is a Icarrin product from world abs.
I'm using it in a natural T Herb cycle . Im cycling 7 diff products and so far it's hard for me to say how good this product works because I am only two weeks in and have only hit this twice.

This is the stuff I have. I haven't noticed much from it and I've cycled it for a while. Their Tka and trib is pretty wank too as I've been using it as well.

5 alpha victim
05-16-2015, 08:11 PM
Dam
They charge enough for their products so we'd expect them to work. Does not fill me with much confidence seeing that three of my seven products that im cycling are from them.

I got lab work done last week anyway before I started cycling my herbs (turned out to have total T readings in the high 200's.. Just terrible)

After a a few weeks I'll retest to see if this works. This way I can take as much guessing out of the equation as possible.

entropy
05-16-2015, 09:42 PM
Dam
They charge enough for their products so we'd expect them to work. Does not fill me with much confidence seeing that three of my seven products that im cycling are from them.

I got lab work done last week anyway before I started cycling my herbs (turned out to have total T readings in the high 200's.. Just terrible)

After a a few weeks I'll retest to see if this works. This way I can take as much guessing out of the equation as possible.

The tka I have is almost black and the trib doesn't look much like the liftmode stuff I bought on recommendation of other members. Strangely the icarin looks similar to the yellow stuff fpr posted but I notice no pde5 style effects like stuffy nose etc and if anything I found that particular sup to kinda suck. I have all three of their things too though haha. Great minds

5 alpha victim
05-16-2015, 10:41 PM
The tka I have is almost black and the trib doesn't look much like the liftmode stuff I bought on recommendation of other members. Strangely the icarin looks similar to the yellow stuff fpr posted but I notice no pde5 style effects like stuffy nose etc and if anything I found that particular sup to kinda suck. I have all three of their things too though haha. Great minds

Have you started taking the liftmode Trib yet?

I'm going to give the worldabs stuff a fair shot. Worst case in a few weeks I find out my blood work does not look any better in which case I'll get the liftmode trib and the SMH tka and give that a shot.

Have to say so far with my limited experience in cycling natty Tboosters the D aspartic acid from wicked (not even the stronger kind that comes in the ultimate stack) and the Mucuna Pruriens from SMH seems to give me the strongest effects in regards to feeling a increase In T.

Worst case we need to ditch the world abs stuff and get the more powerful recommend herbs.

Freepressright
05-18-2015, 11:23 AM
Good Tongkat Ali should be golden, almost yellowish. The stuff from Supermanherbs is. And yes, I feel the hell out of it. It's some of the most legit stuff I've ever taken.

Also, if your TKA is not THE most bitter product you've ever tried, then it isn't real.

5 alpha victim
05-26-2015, 08:46 PM
Real Horny Goat Weed - Epimedium Extract (http://supermanherbs.com/horny-goat-weed/)

New Icarrin from SMH

Has anyone ordered it

Freepressright
05-28-2015, 07:13 AM
Real Horny Goat Weed - Epimedium Extract (http://supermanherbs.com/horny-goat-weed/)

New Icarrin from SMH

Has anyone ordered it

This product is where I am going to respectfully disagree with SMH.

1-3% icariin won't do diddly. I know that Logan believes that there is wisdom in using the whole plant and not a concentrated extract of actives, but if you aren't getting enough actives from the plant, taking it is next to worthless.

He told me himself in an e-mail that they are an herb company and not a drug company and they didn't believe in isolating only a part of the plant. While I appreciate that line of thinking, sometimes things like that need to occur for someone to find use in them -- just like they've done with pine pollen tincture. The people who want the hormonal effects to be pronounced produced a demand for the tincture.

Most experienced users will tell you that in order to get any real effects from HGW, you need at least a 40% icariin concentration. I hate to dog a product before I've tried it, but I'm guessing it won't be very effective.

silverstrand
05-28-2015, 11:43 AM
This product is where I am going to respectfully disagree with SMH.

1-3% icariin won't do diddly. I know that Logan believes that there is wisdom in using the whole plant and not a concentrated extract of actives, but if you aren't getting enough actives from the plant, taking it is next to worthless.

He told me himself in an e-mail that they are an herb company and not a drug company and they didn't believe in isolating only a part of the plant. While I appreciate that line of thinking, sometimes things like that need to occur for someone to find use in them -- just like they've done with pine pollen tincture. The people who want the hormonal effects to be pronounced produced a demand for the tincture.

Most experienced users will tell you that in order to get any real effects from HGW, you need at least a 40% icariin concentration. I hate to dog a product before I've tried it, but I'm guessing it won't be very effective.

This is some great info. I suspected that full plant extracts are more effective for the desired effect. I mean, in the past these plants became popular by taking them straight or in teas, there was very little to no processing of the plants.
SuperManHerbs has Horney Goat Weed on sale now - I plan to buy some from them here soon. I would take a look at theirs 5-alpha if you are still interested.

5 alpha victim
05-29-2015, 02:58 PM
Based on what FPR said about how the icariin is the substance that's causing the desired effects in HGW that's enough for me to not order it. Like he said using the whole plant in this instance in exchange for only including small amounts of the substance we want does not sound like it will be effective.

It prob will not work any better than the HGW I have now from world abs.

I think I'm going to eventually get the HGW from Swansons

If you end up trying SMH's HGW with good results I'll Deff order it.

testosteronet
03-02-2016, 01:42 PM
I'm going to go ahead and bump this thread. I've only dabbled with Icariin in proprietary blend way back, but I feel fairly certain this was the ingredient that was working. Very few products have high percentage Icariin. Curious if anyone's given Liftmode's 98% a go. Not really into powders, but that's the highest I've found that I feel trustworthy about.

SoCal-Nutrition
03-02-2016, 09:22 PM
if you guys want some awesome powders, please let me know...we'll get them on socal and alphapowders (if the demand is there)

testosteronet
03-02-2016, 09:43 PM
I just ordered some 98% Icariin from Liftmode. I'll let you know if it's worth pursuing, especially if it's quality. I want to see if 98% Icariin lives up to my expectations, that is assuming it's legit 98%. I'll try to get a pic posted up of powder color. Too bad the molecular weight is like 600+, I'd love to dump some in some salvo.

testosteronet
03-13-2016, 04:35 PM
Alright, just dumped 100mg of Liftmode's 98% Icariin and 100mg of 100:1 Tongkat Ali down the hatch. Let's see what happens. The 98% Icariin is very pale yellow and tastes like crap dumped in 20 oz. of water. Looking for a PDE inhibition effect.

SoCal-Nutrition
03-13-2016, 04:48 PM
IDK how you guys do some of these in bulk form!

I could not handle Icariin in bulk...I tried like 8 years ago and it took way too long to get that taste out of my mouth.

Same thing with cissus...I decided it was worth the investment to get it in caps.

testosteronet
03-13-2016, 04:55 PM
Trust me, I am 100% not a bulk guy. Just interested in this stuff to see if it's anything comparable to the pharm stuff. I don't trust the 40-60% that's out there in caps and this was the only thing I could find. Still nothing like the 4G of Kratom I tried last night, that was nasty and really not worth the effect I got for the struggle of getting it down. However, 100mg of 98% Icariin is a very small amount of powder.

entropy
03-13-2016, 05:12 PM
Trust me, I am 100% not a bulk guy. Just interested in this stuff to see if it's anything comparable to the pharm stuff. I don't trust the 40-60% that's out there in caps and this was the only thing I could find. Still nothing like the 4G of Kratom I tried last night, that was nasty and really not worth the effect I got for the struggle of getting it down. However, 100mg of 98% Icariin is a very small amount of powder.

4g of kratom? I can actually taste it. Bleh.

testosteronet
03-13-2016, 05:31 PM
4g of kratom? I can actually taste it. Bleh.

It was Enhanced Bali Blast. I've yet to find something that compares to Celtic's I Want Me Gold Reserve. 1.5G in caps had me perfect. I just don't understand, nothing compares.

entropy
03-13-2016, 10:08 PM
It was Enhanced Bali Blast. I've yet to find something that compares to Celtic's I Want Me Gold Reserve. 1.5G in caps had me perfect. I just don't understand, nothing compares.

Heroin? Rofl. I don't know much about celtic but I know a lot of companies have a habit of sneaking analogues into their proprietary blends. Could've been that? I'm not a fan of kratom tbh, I can't believe that something that makes you feel that way can't be entirely safe and the only reason it hasn't had attention from the authorities is because most of the users are quite intelligent and discuss it as incense.

Anyway, I've totally derailed this so back on track. I've heard icariin is a really environment sensitive chemical, I'm wondering if the massively varied reviews I've seen are down to the actives being ruined during transit etc?

Cdsnuts
03-14-2016, 02:52 PM
It was Enhanced Bali Blast. I've yet to find something that compares to Celtic's I Want Me Gold Reserve. 1.5G in caps had me perfect. I just don't understand, nothing compares.

That's because any type of Kratom that is "enhanced" is an extract, not plain leaf. You're always going to get more out of the extracts because they're a condensed form. You have way more alkaloids in less material. You're also going to get yourself into more trouble if you're not careful with it. When I do use it, I use plain leaf only. You're going to have to use more, but you have less chances of any negative sides, like addiction. When it comes to Bali, I find the sweet spot is between 5.5-7 grams, toss and washed with orange juice or anything that contains vitamin C. This enhances the effects. You also want to do this on an empty stomach.

Any type of Malaysian such as super green malay (on of my favorite strains) yellow malay, etc, the dose is going to be between 6.5-8 grams.

Extracts also do a number on your tolerance, raising it quite quickly as opposed to plain leaf.

Kratom to me is a perfect remedy for a hangover. As long as you don't use it for more then a day or two in a row during the week, tolerance should be a non -issue.

Source is also going to be important here. I used to buy it buy the kilo. PM me if you want me to share my sources.

Cdsnuts
03-14-2016, 03:04 PM
Heroin? Rofl. I don't know much about celtic but I know a lot of companies have a habit of sneaking analogues into their proprietary blends. Could've been that? I'm not a fan of kratom tbh, I can't believe that something that makes you feel that way can't be entirely safe and the only reason it hasn't had attention from the authorities is because most of the users are quite intelligent and discuss it as incense.

Anyway, I've totally derailed this so back on track. I've heard icariin is a really environment sensitive chemical, I'm wondering if the massively varied reviews I've seen are down to the actives being ruined during transit etc?

It's safe. But unfortunately it's on the DEA's watch list, which means the more popular it becomes, the more of a chance they're going to schedule it. I think that's bullshit.....I know plenty of people that have come off prescription painkillers with the sensible use of Kratom. I've used it on and off since 2008, before it was even around in the head shops. But now you have it being sold in gas stations in little shots like 5 hour energy.....this is where things are going to go down hill for Kratom.

When used properly, it's very effective. But it does have the same downsides as opiates do, which is it's addiction potential. You get these kids buying it and using it daily, and then they get into trouble.

It also lowers Testosterone if used daily, just like opiates do. It's not a full opiate agonist, but partial....still enough to cause problems. Being someone that has come off of painkillers AND Kratom in the past, I can say that in my opinion, Kratom withdrawal is worse, because instead of detoxing off of an opiate, you're detoxing off of MANY different alkaloids simultaneously. It's very, very uncomfortable. Obviously the amount used daily will determine the length and severity of the withdrawal.

It's also going to vary based upon individual make up. Some people can use 20-30grams daily and get nothing more then flu like symptoms when they stop. Others like myself will get it much much worse.

Cdsnuts
03-14-2016, 03:19 PM
Alright, just dumped 100mg of Liftmode's 98% Icariin and 100mg of 100:1 Tongkat Ali down the hatch. Let's see what happens. The 98% Icariin is very pale yellow and tastes like crap dumped in 20 oz. of water. Looking for a PDE inhibition effect.

20oz of water?! Bleh.....Have you ever thought about just pouring some water in your mouth and dumping the powder on top of it and just swallowing it down so you don't have to drink 20oz of nasty shit?

testosteronet
03-14-2016, 03:29 PM
20oz of water?! Bleh.....Have you ever thought about just pouring some water in your mouth and dumping the powder on top of it and just swallowing it down so you don't have to drink 20oz of nasty shit?

Not a bad idea. Hehe. Just didn't think 2 1/32 tablespoon scoops could taint the taste that bad. On a side note, not sure if I noticed as much as I was hoping. I mean, I had a normal session with the wife, but not much else I can say.

I got a bunch of flavors of k to try. Might go for something different. Maybe yellow Vietnam? I just don't get how I have to eat all this powder and 1.5g of whatever was in Celtic's Gold Reserve had me golden. I've tried a 600mg capsule of 50x extract and I was sick bad.

Cdsnuts
03-14-2016, 04:15 PM
Not a bad idea. Hehe. Just didn't think 2 1/32 tablespoon scoops could taint the taste that bad. On a side note, not sure if I noticed as much as I was hoping. I mean, I had a normal session with the wife, but not much else I can say.

I got a bunch of flavors of k to try. Might go for something different. Maybe yellow Vietnam? I just don't get how I have to eat all this powder and 1.5g of whatever was in Celtic's Gold Reserve had me golden. I've tried a 600mg capsule of 50x extract and I was sick bad.

Because extracts are basically a condensed form. Plain leaf is as natural as you can get. Grown, picked, dried in the sun and then powdered. This is where they take out the stems and veins and package it up.

Golden reserve is it's own brand. It's an enhanced bali, I believe.

50x extract is too strong.

nate3993
03-14-2016, 08:00 PM
Tell me About golden reserve. I'm way into Kratom. Use it sparingly.....but it's great. I can use just a lil for my stomach pain, or like 8 grams for a sedating high. Much better to mess with than pain killers. Cheaper. Easier to not get addicted IMO. But yeah. underground Supps is where I've been getting my Kratom but I'm always on the lookout for the better. Any tips is greatly appreciTed. The fukin golden reserve is 12 bucks a gram! But maybe half a gram gets u high as fuck?

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testosteronet
03-14-2016, 08:49 PM
Where'd you find this golden reserve???

WesleyInman
03-15-2016, 10:57 AM
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nate3993
03-20-2016, 04:25 PM
Where'd you find this golden reserve???

Just did a Google search and it came up on saveonkratom.com

testosteronet
04-29-2016, 02:13 PM
Figured I'd bump this thread. Been experimenting with Liftmode's 98% Icariin. Been dosing 200mg twice per day. Effect is there, but not quite as pronounced as I was hoping. Thinking about going to 300mg twice per day.

Maxout777
08-03-2016, 03:15 PM
Figured I'd bump this thread. Been experimenting with Liftmode's 98% Icariin. Been dosing 200mg twice per day. Effect is there, but not quite as pronounced as I was hoping. Thinking about going to 300mg twice per day.

Any results from this? I know it's a 3 month old post but I think I'm about to pull the trigger on some more Icariin and I have my eyes on the liftmode. Between that and Swanson's.

TubZy
08-05-2016, 08:07 AM
I prefer happy hippo herbals for kratom and phenibut. I prefer phenibut over kratom though if used properly and only once a week. Pair phenibut with some caffeine and you will be a very euphoric and productive person.

Cdsnuts
08-05-2016, 12:50 PM
I prefer happy hippo herbals for kratom and phenibut. I prefer phenibut over kratom though if used properly and only once a week. Pair phenibut with some caffeine and you will be a very euphoric and productive person.

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TubZy
08-05-2016, 01:38 PM
That's why these were invented.

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Ahh not really feeling the proprietary blend and synthetic fillers, I prefer pure powders

Maxout777
08-05-2016, 08:10 PM
Ahh not really feeling the proprietary blend and synthetic fillers, I prefer pure powders

I've actually used a few of those Sleep Walkers before, early on in my "condition" whenever I had a large project or deadline at work. Worked fantastic. Haven't really used em since but I can vouch that they are good stuff.

Area-1255
08-11-2016, 05:16 PM
World A.B.S is definitely the strongest Icariin, though Liftmode may easily gain second place.

TubZy
08-11-2016, 06:27 PM
I've actually used a few of those Sleep Walkers before, early on in my "condition" whenever I had a large project or deadline at work. Worked fantastic. Haven't really used em since but I can vouch that they are good stuff.

maybe i will give it a try some time then lol

Freepressright
08-08-2017, 11:48 AM
World A.B.S is definitely the strongest Icariin, though Liftmode may easily gain second place.

At $70 a bottle, knowing that tadalafil is out there, guaranteed effective if PDE5 inhibition is the goal, and cheap, I could not justify the price tag for the 60-percent by World ABS.

Has anyone actually tried it?