View Full Version : ~ Wesley Versus 4-Andro MiNi 'BULK' Log ~
WesleyInman
06-02-2015, 10:25 AM
Not a sponsored Log-
Doing this to help give people an idea what this compound can do.
Most recent pic to start off log-
BODYWEIGHT:
200ish in this pic. Striations all over,except mid section has not been addressed yet. I was on epiandro for several months prior @ 3-400mgs ED average, but I have been off for about a month prior to this run beginning.
Bodyfat %
Won't even get into this pissing match. Striations all over, abs def need some trimming at some point. I am in no hurry. Please no one ask or fight over this.
http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t390/wesleyinman/wesleyTANNING_1.jpg (http://s1057.photobucket.com/user/wesleyinman/media/wesleyTANNING_1.jpg.html)
I am running 4andro at
8 caps per day in increments of 3/3/2 on workout days
6 caps per day in increments of 2/2/2 on NON workout days.
I am not using HRT, or ANY other testosterone products, prohormones at all during this run.
I will be using
1)a preworkout, either Ultimate orange Juiced, or Illicit or both during this run- Workout days only
2) BLue- My nootropic product
3) Prescription Nutrition Problend and Whey Protein (blueberry muffin flavor)
4) Epimedium compounds
5) liv52
Diet
I will increase calories from 3K ED to at least 4K ED for this run. Percentage wise I am aiming for 45/35/20- Protein @ 45%, Cabrs @ 35%, Fats @ 20%. Again.."AIMING" I will not list specifics I dont have time.
But alot of chicken breast, eggs, tuna, whole milk, yogurt,peanut butter..oatmeal...all the items you would use during a bulk and that are cost effective. I am shopping primarily at Aldi's for my food. Hate me if you wish,there stuff is not bad at all.
Workout
Lowering rep ranges, increasing rest times. Will be lucky to have 3-4 days per week to the gym. 1 hour at most. Some abs during that time frame. But my goal is to add some size and strength back after recently having leaned out.
Tanning
Yes
Cardio
GF will handle fully
LENGTH OF RUN
45-60 days TBD
CURRENT STATUS
On or Near DAY 10-12. I have put on about 5lbs so far. Mind you, I was depleted previous as I was leaning out intentionally and now I am "bulking". So diet has improved in that time frame, rest periods have been longer, reps have been less.
I have noticed better overall mood, energy, oily skin, some red pimples on shoulders, back and arms. I have noticed strength increases and better aggression in the gym. Appetite is a bit better, slight increase in libido for sure. Maybe a bit cranky on the days I take 8caps, slightly more then normal.
What else?
I cannot fairly give out estimated strength at this point. The last few months I have been in strict bodybuilding mode, lighter weights, high reps, reps in the 20 range. So my strength is definitely down. So in all fairness, I will see immediate increases in strength regardless..but I can say so far, i do feel stronger from using this product.
At times I may experiment and empty the caps into powder form and drink an hour before my workout to see if it has any effect. This would be similar to those of you who may have used PROP, Suspension, or chewed up orals hour or two prior to workout to see immediate strength increases.
This is an experiment. I have never run 4andro SOLO, nor have I run it high dosage. I have no expectations or goals. Just bigger and stronger. Feel free to leave questions. I will be here 2-3 days per week at most to update.
Thanx everyone.
-Wesley
"WES15" for 15% off at IronMagLabs.com and IronMagResearch.com"
noneck
06-02-2015, 11:46 AM
is the 4 -andro IML brand ur useing??
entropy
06-02-2015, 01:57 PM
Was considering running a couple bottles of this with some epiandro on my next cycle. Physique is looking good Wes. In for this.
WesleyInman
06-03-2015, 07:16 PM
is the 4 -andro IML brand ur useing??
Hey man yes this is :)
Was considering running a couple bottles of this with some epiandro on my next cycle. Physique is looking good Wes. In for this.
Thank you so much man. That combo seems to be super popular. I may do the same thing after this run. 200mgs of epiandro and 2-300 of 4andro. I see no reason not to do 90 days or more, if money allows. Ty for compliment man..
Ty to the forum as always for letting me post my logs here.. you guys are awesome as usual :)
Tuesday
Biceps/Triceps
Tricep Pushdowns
50x20
100x10
150x10
200(rack) x 10
Bicep Hammer Curls
25x20
45x10
65x10
Skullcrushers, super deep extensions (head off bench and lower the bar to the floor and up and back, not above the forehead)
60x20
90x10
90x10
Preacher Bench
105x15
105x15
125x15
Traps
Wesley Inman Shrugs
45x20
45x20
90x20 (holding 2 plates per hand)
90x20
Called it a day, ran out of time.
Weds- Shoulders/Back
Dumbell Military
50x20
75x20
90x10
120x10
Pullovers (wide grip, elbows flared out)
35x20
55x20
90x10
Full extension on all of them
Ez Curl Seated Military Press (odd grip- hits different heads of the shoulders)
100x20
100x20
100x20
Seated Pulldowns
200x10
200x10
200x20
Close Grip Underhand pullups (arching lower body forward to hit back)
Bodyweight
x20
x20
Again ran out of time, called it a day
NOTE**
On both the last 2 days, I took 8 caps but on the bicep day, I used 3 caps, emptied the caps into my PWO and took 1 hour prior. Today, I tried 5 caps at once, same thing. 1 hour prior.
I notice immediate strength increases when doing this. I will not do this often since this does not encourage an even blood plasma level, which I find is more important for a better overall gain, but I wanted to see what kind of result I would get.
I genuinely loved the feeling it gave. I would do this all the time, if money was not an issue.
None of the weight were remotely close to failure. I went through the workout, nice and slow and controlled reps. All of them went up with ease. I will gradually push the envelope, but I also want to make sure I have a full hour for a session before I do so.
Bicep day was 45mins, and shoulder day - maybe 30, plus my daughter was with me@ gym, so this was distracting.
In all honesty, I feel awesome on this compound.
Nothing new to report, except maybe I am seeing way more hair growth(facial and body) and darkening of the hair. Sleep has been off for 2 days, not sure if it is relative.
Super motivated to see what happens. Workouts are exciting again. I find a supplement can very often change motivation levels. I am not going to go through the motions on this run, like I have been for some time. This will certainly stimulate new growth.
See you guys 2morrow. Leg Day.
VayneZ
06-04-2015, 03:22 PM
Wes looking SIICCKK bro! I'll be following this man! Niceee
derekh83
06-05-2015, 01:49 PM
Definitely interested in how the new andros work.
WesleyInman
06-08-2015, 11:01 AM
Wes looking SIICCKK bro! I'll be following this man! Niceee
Thank you VayneZ and hope ur well man!!!!
DerekH thank you so much as well man.. much appreciated to see you in here as well!!!!!!!
Thank you again for everyone following.
Today is day 14-16...sorry I lost track of the exact day I started, but its like the 2 week mark, give or take.
Got my products in and grabbed some Osta for a bridge and some epiandro as well. 3 more bottles of 4andro will last me about 30 days more. So for now I know I am going to run this for at least 45 days minimum.
http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t390/wesleyinman/4androlog.jpg (http://s1057.photobucket.com/user/wesleyinman/media/4androlog.jpg.html)
Leg Day (last Friday)
Squats (ATG)
135x20 warmup
225x10
315x10
315x10 (hip flexor is bothering me big time)
405x3
405x3..way too much pain..gotta go lower so I dont get injured. Hip Flexor is on fire.
315x 10- 5 second pauses.
Here is the depth I got on all of these..This is super old footage, but nonetheless here is average depth just as FYI. Also you may recognize the guy in the video as Iron Mike. Infamous guy from the Youtube video "Worlds Strongest Man IRON MIKE". He actually is a very nice guy and very strong, regardless of that video which though hysterical, is a bit sad..
VIDEO LINK
Strongman Wesley Inman featuring Iron Mike. Super Deep Squat 405lbs. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9fjBAqqi8k)
Lunges( 45 plate in each hand)
x100 ft
x100ft
x100ft
Leg Extensions
Toes in- Toes out- Neutral Positions
50x20
50x20
50x20
Seated Calf Raises (my own 3 prong calf lifting style)
1 plate (45) x 20
2x20
3x20
Hit some hanging ab raises and called it a day...ran out of time.
No new updates on the 4-andro. Can't say I am seeing any differences then what I have already commented on. I will weigh in at the end of this week and see where I am at. Not sure I have gained any weight, but I honestly have more energy and feel a bit fuller during the day on this compound. Definitely hair growth is accelerated and oily skin, so for sure it is converting. This is not in doubt one bit.
Gonna hit chest/traps today..will report back within 24 hours...
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Freepressright
06-10-2015, 06:31 AM
Thank you VayneZ and hope ur well man!!!!
DerekH thank you so much as well man.. much appreciated to see you in here as well!!!!!!!
Thank you again for everyone following.
Today is day 14-16...sorry I lost track of the exact day I started, but its like the 2 week mark, give or take.
Got my products in and grabbed some Osta for a bridge and some epiandro as well. 3 more bottles of 4andro will last me about 30 days more. So for now I know I am going to run this for at least 45 days minimum.
http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t390/wesleyinman/4androlog.jpg (http://s1057.photobucket.com/user/wesleyinman/media/4androlog.jpg.html)
Leg Day (last Friday)
Squats (ATG)
135x20 warmup
225x10
315x10
315x10 (hip flexor is bothering me big time)
405x3
405x3..way too much pain..gotta go lower so I dont get injured. Hip Flexor is on fire.
315x 10- 5 second pauses.
Here is the depth I got on all of these..This is super old footage, but nonetheless here is average depth just as FYI. Also you may recognize the guy in the video as Iron Mike. Infamous guy from the Youtube video "Worlds Strongest Man IRON MIKE". He actually is a very nice guy and very strong, regardless of that video which though hysterical, is a bit sad..
VIDEO LINK
Strongman Wesley Inman featuring Iron Mike. Super Deep Squat 405lbs. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9fjBAqqi8k)
Lunges( 45 plate in each hand)
x100 ft
x100ft
x100ft
Leg Extensions
Toes in- Toes out- Neutral Positions
50x20
50x20
50x20
Seated Calf Raises (my own 3 prong calf lifting style)
1 plate (45) x 20
2x20
3x20
Hit some hanging ab raises and called it a day...ran out of time.
No new updates on the 4-andro. Can't say I am seeing any differences then what I have already commented on. I will weigh in at the end of this week and see where I am at. Not sure I have gained any weight, but I honestly have more energy and feel a bit fuller during the day on this compound. Definitely hair growth is accelerated and oily skin, so for sure it is converting. This is not in doubt one bit.
Gonna hit chest/traps today..will report back within 24 hours...
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I see you have a bottle of Osta-RX in the picture. I was totally going to jump on buying some of that until I saw "Fenuside" listed on the ingredient label. I'm stunned.
Why in the hell would IML, a company that puts out solid products, see fit to put a fenugreek extract (a potent 5ar inhbitor) into an Osta product? It has absolutely no place whatsoever in this product and makes zero sense.
I was injured from fenugreek to the point that I felt almost as bad as these Post-Finasteride guys do, albeit in a much shorter term. This herb is too risky. They might as well have just added saw palmetto, because it does essentially the same thing as "Fenuside."
Sorry to hijack your log, Wes, but I was incensed when I saw that label the other day.
Enjoying watching your progress, bud. Please keep us posted!
Strong_Guy
06-10-2015, 06:42 AM
Regarding the fenugreek... It seems this supplement has recieved a lot of flak lately, especially on this forum. I want to emphasize though that I believe this is largely person-dependent. I've taken fenugreek plenty of times: PP Phyto Test, etc. and have always returned excellent results, at least as far as can be expected from a natty supplement.
Oh yeah and Wes, will be following along. I've always bee curious what 4-DHEA in a solid moderate/high dose can do. Seems like I remember something about 4-DHEA specifically, that said it more or less has a "cap" on the amount of conversion that can be expected before it starts going towards the path of lesser resistance (ie. estrogens).
Freepressright
06-10-2015, 07:08 AM
Regarding the fenugreek... It seems this supplement has recieved a lot of flak lately, especially on this forum. I want to emphasize though that I believe this is largely person-dependent. I've taken fenugreek plenty of times: PP Phyto Test, etc. and have always returned excellent results, at least as far as can be expected from a natty supplement.
It isn't any different than Propecia or Saw Palmetto in that respect. The side effects depend on the person. But if you're sensitive to it, it's going to clobber you in ways that make you miserable. For what marginal benefit it could possible even have in Osta-RX, it isn't worth the risk.
And the reason fenugreek is receiving a lot of flak as of recent times is that it has finally been realized that it trivially increases free test, typically at the expense of lowering DHT in a lot of people. Having gone through two months of hell after coming off it last year with no libido, no pumps, diminished gains and serious loss of motivation, I wouldn't give it to a rat.
WesleyInman
06-10-2015, 09:58 AM
I see you have a bottle of Osta-RX in the picture. I was totally going to jump on buying some of that until I saw "Fenuside" listed on the ingredient label. I'm stunned.
Why in the hell would IML, a company that puts out solid products, see fit to put a fenugreek extract (a potent 5ar inhbitor) into an Osta product? It has absolutely no place whatsoever in this product and makes zero sense.
I was injured from fenugreek to the point that I felt almost as bad as these Post-Finasteride guys do, albeit in a much shorter term. This herb is too risky. They might as well have just added saw palmetto, because it does essentially the same thing as "Fenuside."
Sorry to hijack your log, Wes, but I was incensed when I saw that label the other day.
Enjoying watching your progress, bud. Please keep us posted!
Ty again for everyone following and the feedback :)
Great question FPR. Great to see u too btw :) TBH I am not experienced in Fenugreek personally, so I cannot even lend experience in this department. Even with Osta, my experience is limited, compared to my experiences with AAS and most other supplements.
I have never used their Osta before, and tbh I got that product so that I can try it for a month as a bridge in between products. I don't have an end date, but I might even do 4andro for 2-3 months LOL. Then Osta for a month. Then likely back to EpiAndro, unless the 4andro impresses me that much :)
Whats up Strong Guy!! :)
Monday Updates-
Chest and Traps
40 minute workout
Warmup Biceps, Triceps and Back well before the workout
Flat Bench
135x20
225x10
315x6
315x6
315x6
315x6
(not going super heavy on any motions, just yet. I have been doing bodybuilding work for months and honestly my overall strength has decreased slightly. I certainly cannot hit this weight for what I can, when I train heavy.
My PR lift proportionately with flat bench was 315x16 reps at 207lbs BW- At under 200 lbs, I wanna say it was 13-14?? I can't hit 14 right now..no way. 12 yes.
2009 video--
Wesley Inman Strongman 315lbs x13 Bench Press @ 199BW - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5l_7ii-8c0)
Wesley Inman Traps ( I post this every log for anyone new looking to learn the method. Sorry to those of you who have seen this every single log)
45x20
45x20
45x20 - 5 second pauses at top
45x20 " "
Wesley Inman Strongman . Add size to your traps quickly. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM1onefXf3g)
Incline Dumbells (weight per hand)
75x20
120x10
120x10
120x10
Upright Rows-
135x20
135x20
135x20
These didn't feel strong today
Hanging Ab Raises, some crunches, ran out of time.
Called it a day.
What I am noticing still from 4andro is if I take too many caps at once, I do feel a bit irritable. But I have been overall taking the even increments I stated. Strength feels good, and I now that I am handling heavier weight, I am a bit sore, but I also am recovering quite quickly tbh. Appetite is noticeably better. Endurance is slightly better. Libido is about the same now...skin is oilier and hair growth is very noticeable. I am shaving way more often.
Overall very happy. Nothing insane to report, but product is working for sure. This is a different feeling from EpiAndro altogether for those who have asked.
Also, getting alot of questions about the protein I use. (except on S.S- LOL - Sorry guys, copy and paste) It is a 4blend product called PROBLEND- that is great for bulking since it has fast, moderate and slow digesting proteins in it. The quality is excellent, the price is super fair and the taste is unbeatable IMO. I use this "in addition" to whole foods, not to replace it.
LINK TO PROTEIN:
~ProBlend -4 Protein Blend- #1 RANKED PROTEIN @ GYMnTONIC! ~ - GymNTonic.com (http://stores.gymntonic.com/problend-4-protein-blend-1-ranked-protein-gymntonic/)
Also as mentioned previous logs, I blend in protein with low fat peanut butter, raw oats, ice cubes, yogurt, banana, and sometimes even a scoop of ice cream.
Other brands that I find to be solid are MuscleFeast, ON, and Trutein, I am a fan of all of the above :)
Biceps and Back later today.
WesleyInman
06-16-2015, 03:45 PM
Update Tuesday
Right around week 3 of 4 andro.
I have not weighed in yet again, gonna wait it out. But diet has been ok. I am definintely slightly bigger. What I am noticing, is during my workouts, I keep much more of a pump then normal. After workout, I seem more vascular for longer periods of time.
No sides to report, except maybe excess hair growth on face, stomach and shoulders. Definitely hair on head is getting darker too.
Overall I am still happy, though I am still waiting for the true results to kick in. It may take the entire length of this run to really have full details, since a product that converts to Test is going to be a nice clean lean gain...So I am not expecting anything insane.
Strength is solid. Recovery is too:
Biceps and Triceps
Hammer Curls (dumbells per hand)
25x10
35x10
45x10
75x8
Skull Crusher variations
30x20
40x20
50x20
60x20
80x20
Incline Dumbell Curls (isolated)
30x10
40x10
50x10
Kickbacks
20x20 supinated
" "
Straight Bar Curls
135x10
135x10
135x10
Tricep Pushdown variation
50x20
100x20
150x20
Called it a day. Good workout, but honestly I did not work to failure or even close on any set. My intensity was so so in this workout...primarily because I did not sleep well the night before.
Otherwise so far so good..nothing unbelievable to report to date, but product is working.
WesleyInman
06-23-2015, 08:50 AM
Tuesday 6/23 - - Update
Leg Day
Leg Extensions (warmups)
50x20
60x20
80x20
Deadlifts
135x10
225x10
315x10
500x10
500x8
500x6
Lunges (45lb plate per hand for distance)
45x50'
45x50'
" "
Leg Extensions (working sets, toes pointed in, outward and neutral)
150x10
200x10
250 (rack) x10
Hit some hanging ab raises and called it a day.
Updates on the product:
I can def see that I am slightly bigger. Will not weigh in until the end. Again, still no insane gains, but I am def larger. Pumps in the gym are far superior then minus this product. My strength is very very good proportionately on this product, I feel stronger on it, then without it.
I do see some additional veins showing. Appetite is solid. Recovery definitely improved.
Sides: Oily skin still. Some acne here and there..and by this I mean only maybe 3-4 here and there. Body hair growth big time/facial hair is coming in at a high rate, and is darker too. Some leg cramping at night all week..not sure if it is from this compound, or something else. It only showed itself recently.
Overall: Still happy with this product. It is working. I think at this dose, it is far superior to something like dermacrine, etc.. So far my take is this is a very straighforward mild testosterone product. It is excellent for clean gains to date. This cannot be compared to a PH of the past, like msten or dmz in terms of size. I do think running this longer term then short term is necessary if one can afford it.
Def wanna try the new esterfied version coming out!
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