Alcohol on Estrogen, SHBG and the bodys general hormone profile

[silverstrand]

Would any of you guys happen to find some studies on Alcohol's effect on the body's hormone profile specifically, estrogen and SHBG?

What I'm curious about is the rebound time needed from consuming large amounts of Alcohol and feeling the subsequent hang over the next day.
I rarely drink these days but I'm curious to how much time SHBG and Estrogen remain elevated after a crazy night out. Is it about the time the hangout disappears, a few days, or a full week?

I would think if partying reasonably, one could get away with maybe 1 crazy night a week but if that is followed up with lite nights of drinking, the damage could potentially cause semi-permanent up regulation of estrogen and SHBG?
Aromasin for instance, has a rebound time of 5 to six days. Alcohol being a potent drug in large quantities - equates to how much time off to normalize?

I see so many people out drinking/parting 1,2,3 nights a week. Makes me wonder what kind of hormone changes they are slowly bringing upon themselves.

[Cdsnuts]

I can tell you personally, from experience, that since remaining relatively alcohol free, that when i do indulge, depending on how much I drink, the down stream effects can last up to a week. Not just from the effects the alcohol has on estrogen, but also the negative effects it has on sleep patterns. It all comes together to be less then optimal. If I drink once a week, I feel a difference as opposed to if I DON'T drink once a week. That being said, I am pushing 40. Younger guys can probably get away with it.

In your shoes, complete abstinence is the way to go.

[tallstraw]

I doubt it has much effect to be honest. I think it might for people like you. But I feel like healthy normally functioning adults don't have that much effect from it. The lingering feelings I bet have more to do with age, than effect on endocrine system.

[entropy]

It depends what is is and how much/frequently you drink. If you drink 10 beers, you're gonna feel a lot worse than if you drank the equivalent amount of alcohol from a spirit for example but really as long as you're responsible with your drinking I think the effect is negligible.

[Cdsnuts]

Lets put it this way. I don't drink for the taste of it. When do drink, I drink to get drunk. Beer and shots. Usually to excess. In the context of someone who has been ravaged by fin. and are actively trying to recover, this will set you back an unreasonable amount of time. There is no way around it. These guys HAVE to stay sober if they want to make any head way

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[tallstraw]

Oh I don't doubt it, it's why I said for you guys it probably matter but not for normal functioning male. I never feel like shit from drinking now and I only drink for one reason like you CD lol...Infact this weekend has been a bender of drinking and booger sugar.

[silverstrand]

Oh I don't doubt it, it's why I said for you guys it probably matter but not for normal functioning male. I never feel like shit from drinking now and I only drink for one reason like you CD lol...Infact this weekend has been a bender of drinking and booger sugar.

Appreciate what you have bro! Before I fucked myself with Fin, I could get absolutely hammered and still bust out a few heavy loads with 10 min. I never experienced wis key dick until this period in my life. I never drink now.

[Cdsnuts]

Oh I don't doubt it, it's why I said for you guys it probably matter but not for normal functioning male. I never feel like shit from drinking now and I only drink for one reason like you CD lol...Infact this weekend has been a bender of drinking and booger sugar.

Booger sugar....can't deal with that anymore. Unless I want to feel suicidal at the end of the night and into the next day.....

[tallstraw]

Oh fuck foreal? I just use it for energy. I never noticed the outgoing was or confidence boost from it or godlike feeling people talk about. I just give a little bit more of a shit about what people say, slightly. But I'm already really outgoing and pretty confident so I think that's why. i use it sparingly. Probably only did a half a gram over the course of the weekend. Like I said its just for energy and to keep rockin

[Brazilianguy]

Alcohol is a problem for me too. When I drink I don't sleep well and everything gets worse I would say I get down, then up with a little bit worse baseline. I think this will stop happening once my T:E get back to normal.

[Jelisej]

Alcohol raises a SHBG soomwhat and estrogen as well- people with high estrogens get worse hangovers while those with low E2 sometimes feel quite good next day.

[Brazilianguy]

Alcohol raises a SHBG soomwhat and estrogen as well- people with high estrogens get worse hangovers while those with low E2 sometimes feel quite good next day.

I remember When I had very bad E levels, my hangovers would be hard to handle, I would feel a lot of pain in my stomach, couldn't sleep well for 3 days. Now that I'm much better, I feel bad just for One day The next day I would be like 90% back to normal.

Jelisej I would like to Thank you a thousand times, I'm following your advice and I'm getting much better and I'm pretty sure If I continue to do it I will be recovered. Every 14 days I get better. Thank you so much dude, you deserve all The best!

[Cdsnuts]

Brazil....I'm sure you know this, but you shouldn't be drinking.....at all. You're here, there and everywhere trying to recover your normal self, asking a ton of questions to anyone that will listen, and you're doing the one thing that is possibly the worst thing for you at this point in your life. I don't understand.

[Brazilianguy]

Brazil....I'm sure you know this, but you shouldn't be drinking.....at all. You're here, there and everywhere trying to recover your normal self, asking a ton of questions to anyone that will listen, and you're doing the one thing that is possibly the worst thing for you at this point in your life. I don't understand.

I know. I'm avoiding at all cost and when I do it's just a little bit, I'm drinking like once a month, its not making me feel bad, actually just for a day or 2 But then I recover to The same point. I'm already getting morning wood here and there, flirting some girls, gaining muscle. Btw, thank you for replying this message, I've sent you thousands when I was at the eye of the storm.

I also know I was one of the most boring members here but I need to thank you Jelisej, Nate, Wesley, FPR, BBG for all the support, this is not a goodbye this is just a message to you guys know that I'm very thankful.

[Cdsnuts]

I know. I'm avoiding at all cost and when I do it's just a little bit, I'm drinking like once a month, its not making me feel bad, actually just for a day or 2 But then I recover to The same point. I'm already getting morning wood here and there, flirting some girls, gaining muscle. Btw, thank you for replying this message, I've sent you thousands when I was at the eye of the storm.

I also know I was one of the most boring members here but I need to thank you Jelisej, Nate, Wesley, FPR, BBG for all the support, this is not a goodbye this is just a message to you guys know that I'm very thankful.

It has nothing to do with being boring or not. We're all here to help. I'm not sure if it's a language barrier or not, but sometimes it just seems that the things you do, or say in response to the help given is just a little.....off. But I can only imagine how difficult it would be to try and deal with this when the answers you seek are not in your native tongue.

For example. You say that you're not drinking....or, "you're avoiding at all cost and when I do, it's just little bit." You get hungover on just a little bit of alcohol? If you're getting hungover, you're drinking more then "a little bit." it's things like this that don't line up to what you're trying to do, or what you say you're trying to do.

Also, you must be drinking enough to know the difference between your hangovers when your Estrogen is high, to when your estrogen is low. These things suggest that you are drinking more then you say you are, otherwise you wouldn't know these things.

[Brazilianguy]

It has nothing to do with being boring or not. We're all here to help. I'm not sure if it's a language barrier or not, but sometimes it just seems that the things you do, or say in response to the help given is just a little.....off. But I can only imagine how difficult it would be to try and deal with this when the answers you seek are not in your native tongue.

For example. You say that you're not drinking....or, "you're avoiding at all cost and when I do, it's just little bit." You get hungover on just a little bit of alcohol? If you're getting hungover, you're drinking more then "a little bit." it's things like this that don't line up to what you're trying to do, or what you say you're trying to do.

Also, you must be drinking enough to know the difference between your hangovers when your Estrogen is high, to when your estrogen is low. These things suggest that you are drinking more then you say you are, otherwise you wouldn't know these things.

I just response a little bit off when I reply Entropy, basically because I want to hear other people, not him, and he was never trying to help me after all. I sent you a lot of messages and you didn't reply any of them when I was desperate for help, even simple messages asking about sustain alpha, how much you applied and how often etc.

Alcohol is a little bit tough for me I'm drinking only once a month, but one thing I really can do anymore is weed, this is one of the things that really set me back and give me a lot of problems. Can you drink socially nowadays? I don't drink heavy stuff just beer, which I guess it's the worse in terms of estrogen. I wish I could drink it in a way that I wouldn't be scared if it's setting me back.

What I'm noticing is that every 14 days, when I cycle my stuffs, I get less brain fog, more muscle mass, better energy, more emotions, no more shrinkage, better orgams, some days I'm waking up with morning wood, less pot belly. Its also with ups and downs, I mean, first I get better, then the effects decrease but in the end I get better than before. Have you noticed the same thing when you were recovering? I was so bad that I needed to take a nap twice a day to get energy, now I don't need it anymore.

[entropy]

I just response a little bit off when I reply Entropy, basically because I want to hear other people, not him, and he was never trying to help me after all. I sent you a lot of messages and you didn't reply any of them when I was desperate for help, even simple messages asking about sustain alpha, how much you applied and how often etc.

Alcohol is a little bit tough for me I'm drinking only once a month, but one thing I really can do anymore is weed, this is one of the things that really set me back and give me a lot of problems. Can you drink socially nowadays? I don't drink heavy stuff just beer, which I guess it's the worse in terms of estrogen. I wish I could drink it in a way that I wouldn't be scared if it's setting me back.

What I'm noticing is that every 14 days, when I cycle my stuffs, I get less brain fog, more muscle mass, better energy, more emotions, no more shrinkage, better orgams, some days I'm waking up with morning wood, less pot belly. Its also with ups and downs, I mean, first I get better, then the effects decrease but in the end I get better than before. Have you noticed the same thing when you were recovering? I was so bad that I needed to take a nap twice a day to get energy, now I don't need it anymore.

I antagonise you because you have a long history of not listening to the advice you're given. On top of that one minute you're better than ever, the next, you're taking clomid or some other random ass drug that literally nobody advised you take.

I just have less tolerance than these guys I guess. On top of that, I actually listened to them from the beginning and I've been past that stuff a long time now.

[Cdsnuts]

I just response a little bit off when I reply Entropy, basically because I want to hear other people, not him, and he was never trying to help me after all. I sent you a lot of messages and you didn't reply any of them when I was desperate for help, even simple messages asking about sustain alpha, how much you applied and how often etc.

Alcohol is a little bit tough for me I'm drinking only once a month, but one thing I really can do anymore is weed, this is one of the things that really set me back and give me a lot of problems. Can you drink socially nowadays? I don't drink heavy stuff just beer, which I guess it's the worse in terms of estrogen. I wish I could drink it in a way that I wouldn't be scared if it's setting me back.

What I'm noticing is that every 14 days, when I cycle my stuffs, I get less brain fog, more muscle mass, better energy, more emotions, no more shrinkage, better orgams, some days I'm waking up with morning wood, less pot belly. Its also with ups and downs, I mean, first I get better, then the effects decrease but in the end I get better than before. Have you noticed the same thing when you were recovering? I was so bad that I needed to take a nap twice a day to get energy, now I don't need it anymore.

I do what I can, and I would love to be able to help everyone that asks me for help, which I don't know if you know this or not, is alot of people. I don't get paid for this, and my time is very valuable to me. I help the ones that I can see are helping themselves. When you are asking questions about sustain alpha, that not only has directions for use listed on the bottle, other forums all over the internet, and from most likely some of my own postings, it's a question I'm going to skip right over. That goes for any other question to where the answer can be easily obtain from multiple places. Usually my very own posts.

Like, for example, your latest question on alcohol. It is common knowledge, as I've said it many times, that I can and do drink socially now. As a matter of fact, I love to drink.....lol. Now, if I over do it, I feel it the next day. But that's about it. Secondly, if you're feeling great every two weeks but you drink once a month (which I don't believe to be true as I think you're drinking more then this) then you're doing your self no favors. I've said it over a hundred times. PFS guys, in recovery, CANNOT drink. Bottom line.....that's it. Nothing more to say on the subject. If you keep drinking, that says to me that: You are not serious about getting back to normal, or you have a problem with alcohol. If I had to pick between booze and my dick working, as much as I love to drink, that shit is outta my life until I can handle it again. No questions asked. If you can't do this, then maybe there are other substance issues at play that you need to work on.

The bottom line Brazil, is you don't come across serious enough to me for me to spend time with you. I have guys that follow what I suggest to a T, and they are making great strides and recovering. But they are listening and more importantly, DOING, what they are supposed to be doing. You my friend, are not, despite what you say.

[Brazilianguy]

I do what I can, and I would love to be able to help everyone that asks me for help, which I don't know if you know this or not, is alot of people. I don't get paid for this, and my time is very valuable to me. I help the ones that I can see are helping themselves. When you are asking questions about sustain alpha, that not only has directions for use listed on the bottle, other forums all over the internet, and from most likely some of my own postings, it's a question I'm going to skip right over. That goes for any other question to where the answer can be easily obtain from multiple places. Usually my very own posts.

Like, for example, your latest question on alcohol. It is common knowledge, as I've said it many times, that I can and do drink socially now. As a matter of fact, I love to drink.....lol. Now, if I over do it, I feel it the next day. But that's about it. Secondly, if you're feeling great every two weeks but you drink once a month (which I don't believe to be true as I think you're drinking more then this) then you're doing your self no favors. I've said it over a hundred times. PFS guys, in recovery, CANNOT drink. Bottom line.....that's it. Nothing more to say on the subject. If you keep drinking, that says to me that: You are not serious about getting back to normal, or you have a problem with alcohol. If I had to pick between booze and my dick working, as much as I love to drink, that shit is outta my life until I can handle it again. No questions asked. If you can't do this, then maybe there are other substance issues at play that you need to work on.

The bottom line Brazil, is you don't come across serious enough to me for me to spend time with you. I have guys that follow what I suggest to a T, and they are making great strides and recovering. But they are listening and more importantly, DOING, what they are supposed to be doing. You my friend, are not, despite what you say.

That's what I needed to read, I will stop drinking, it's hard because we're one of the most beer drinkers around the globe.
The questions about the sustain alpha is not about what is suggested on the label, because my friend was following the label and got low E symptoms and if I remember you said the same about RES100 if I'm not mistaken. Also I wanted to know if a person can get saturated from too much sustain alpha, because if T increase too much the lh and fsh increase will be minimum (it's hard to explain but it would be like too much hcg making the leydig cells desensitized) My friend said that when he applied to much he would feel the low e symptoms and in the end the estrogen rebound would make him feel worse after all. I think he got sensitive to sustain alpha, he needs to apply in lower quantities.

Your post gave me courage, I needed this "slap" to wake up. How did you discover you would be able to drink again? When you over do it after some days you get back to normal or do you think it set you back a little bit?

[testosteronet]

AA Anyone?

[Cdsnuts]

AA Anyone?

These guys don't realize how many people reach out for me and how many people I talk to. It's very easy for me to tell if they are doing the right things or not based on how and what they post. One of the reasons I left the other place. It was like trying to stop the tide from coming in with a bucket.....still amazes me.

[Cdsnuts]

That's what I needed to read, I will stop drinking, it's hard because we're one of the most beer drinkers around the globe.
The questions about the sustain alpha is not about what is suggested on the label, because my friend was following the label and got low E symptoms and if I remember you said the same about RES100 if I'm not mistaken. Also I wanted to know if a person can get saturated from too much sustain alpha, because if T increase too much the lh and fsh increase will be minimum (it's hard to explain but it would be like too much hcg making the leydig cells desensitized) My friend said that when he applied to much he would feel the low e symptoms and in the end the estrogen rebound would make him feel worse after all. I think he got sensitive to sustain alpha, he needs to apply in lower quantities.

Your post gave me courage, I needed this "slap" to wake up. How did you discover you would be able to drink again? When you over do it after some days you get back to normal or do you think it set you back a little bit?

This is what I don't understand...I write the same things over and over again but you guys need me to write it to YOU specifically? Doesn't make sense. I'll leave it like this, like I've done so many other times. The information you need is ALL out there, written out, by me. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

Stop thinking about alcohol. It's gonna be awhile before you can indulge again safely. Once you're well for a few months straight, wait another couple months, then have a drink if you need to. All I can say is that you're holding yourself back by drinking. Get with it, and get serious.

[Brazilianguy]

This is what I don't understand...I write the same things over and over again but you guys need me to write it to YOU specifically? Doesn't make sense. I'll leave it like this, like I've done so many other times. The information you need is ALL out there, written out, by me. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

Stop thinking about alcohol. It's gonna be awhile before you can indulge again safely. Once you're well for a few months straight, wait another couple months, then have a drink if you need to. All I can say is that you're holding yourself back by drinking. Get with it, and get serious.

You're totally right, If I continue cycling my supplements I'll get there, I'm already much better gaining muscle much easier, loosing pot belly, everything is better, all mental sides are cured, no more sleep problems, waking up refreshed I guess in 2 or 3 months I'll be here in this forum asking more about body building than anything about recovery.

The question was about getting saturated with sustain alpha, the same way people get from herbs, my friend got a plateau with sustain alpha, then he started to feel low e symptoms and a negative feedback loop. But that's ok, I guess if he takes longer to take it and taking less or exactly as the label say, it's ok. He is from Hungary I was just asking because he doesn't have an account here.

But again thank you men and sorry for disturb you, I imagine how much guys keep asking you.

[entropy]

Urgh. Fine. First. Stop drinking. Stop asking about it. Just let it go, you don't need it and beer is a one way ticket to estrogenville for a normal guy as it is.

Second. Stop listening to your friend or whatever, it's resveratrol ffs, you're not going to get the sorta rebound or crushing you'd get from something like letro for example.

Look man, everything you post stinks of analysis paralysis when you already know everything you need to know, you could've answered all these questions with the search function. Honestly, I get it, you're scared "boohoo what if it doesn't work etc" and I get that, I was there myself not so long ago and now I'm arguably healthier than ever.

At the end of the the day though, it comes down to one question really. How much do you want it?

[English]

Hi Guys, I'm back! What can i say, lots of time on my hands now and feeling better than ever and finding reading stuff from people like Brazillian Guy is not bothering me like it did.
If it helps BG, i agree totally with Entropy and CD. I am completely recovered and i realise now it was almost all created by my constantly analysing mind, reading negative stories and worrying over and over - basically a nervous breakdown. It's only when you realise recovery is in your own hands that you start gaining momentum. It does take many months, even a year or two of 100% sticking to the plan, in fact plan is the wrong word for it, it is now your lifestyle to live unbelievably healthy, revel in how ridiculously healthy your lifestyle is and don't view it as doing hard yards or some kind of moutain you must climb.
I tell you one other thing too, cutting back on alcohol and occasionally having it is way harder than cutting it out completely, like smoking, you should quit or drink, and if you want to be your old self, you have to quit. By the way, Britain is the drinking capital of the world my friend LOL.
FYI, i drink again now in moderation after quitting completely for around a year. Occasionally i get pissed - no issues, no ill effects other than a hangover the next day. Like i say, post fin is a condition perpetuated by the mind, because there's fuck all wrong with you but a worried head, some temporarily downregulated genes and a tendency to be weak at the very times you need to be strong. You can fix that though, and all the time you're building character..... most bad things end up good if you employ the right mindset....

[Brazilianguy]

Hi Guys, I'm back! What can i say, lots of time on my hands now and feeling better than ever and finding reading stuff from people like Brazillian Guy is not bothering me like it did.
If it helps BG, i agree totally with Entropy and CD. I am completely recovered and i realise now it was almost all created by my constantly analysing mind, reading negative stories and worrying over and over - basically a nervous breakdown. It's only when you realise recovery is in your own hands that you start gaining momentum. It does take many months, even a year or two of 100% sticking to the plan, in fact plan is the wrong word for it, it is now your lifestyle to live unbelievably healthy, revel in how ridiculously healthy your lifestyle is and don't view it as doing hard yards or some kind of moutain you must climb.
I tell you one other thing too, cutting back on alcohol and occasionally having it is way harder than cutting it out completely, like smoking, you should quit or drink, and if you want to be your old self, you have to quit. By the way, Britain is the drinking capital of the world my friend LOL.
FYI, i drink again now in moderation after quitting completely for around a year. Occasionally i get pissed - no issues, no ill effects other than a hangover the next day. Like i say, post fin is a condition perpetuated by the mind, because there's fuck all wrong with you but a worried head, some temporarily downregulated genes and a tendency to be weak at the very times you need to be strong. You can fix that though, and all the time you're building character..... most bad things end up good if you employ the right mindset....

Thank you for your words English, I stopped drinking for now. I'm doing way better (Thank God)l I'm already waking up with morning wood some days, before I had none. Glad to see you're well. I really take your advices and Cds too. I'm now focusing on body building, since I can get some results now but I'm avoiding supplements until I recover.

[entropy]

Finally. Some sense! Just a little nugget of information here but morning wood actually has very little to do with T and everything to do with Dopamine and Dopamine is fucking wonderful. Don't sweat it too much if the "morning wood" comes and goes, take it as a message from your brain to take some risks and get the Dopamine flowing again. It's seriously important to focus on the other aspects of your life now buddy, this is the real crux. Woo some women, win at things, take a few calculated risks, be alpha in situations that don't involve your dick at all. Your whole body will thank you.

[English]

Finally. Some sense! Just a little nugget of information here but morning wood actually has very little to do with T and everything to do with Dopamine and Dopamine is fucking wonderful. Don't sweat it too much if the "morning wood" comes and goes, take it as a message from your brain to take some risks and get the Dopamine flowing again. It's seriously important to focus on the other aspects of your life now buddy, this is the real crux. Woo some women, win at things, take a few calculated risks, be alpha in situations that don't involve your dick at all. Your whole body will thank you.

Spot on Entropy, i read the studies on this myself maybe 3 months back. A load of guys with low T were given exogenous T and almost all started getting nocturnal erections, yet almost none got MW - Why? Like you say, most of the men were depressed and the dopamine/reward centres of the brain were downgraded, basically because they were low T for ages before they had sunk into a funk of low mood and depression and high cortisol. Knowing this is very helpful indeed so that you don't stress over the lack of MW. It's like peeling an onion, one layer at a time, you get there.
Low dopamine and downgraded reward centres in the brain are also responsible for low libido. This is often the case following a long period of stress involving protracted periods of high cortisol and other noradrenalins (prob spelt that wrong!) as stress hormones act on the same areas of the brain as dopamine and they effectively blunt the response of dopamine when you do experience a good occurence. This explains why depressed people can experience a wonderful thing happening, that they are genuinely fucking delighted about, yet they don't feel it. This just makes them more depressed! For those reading this and suffering from depression (been there) it's a long road, you have to just be calm, relaxed and eat well until your stress hormones lower, while enjoying life as much as possible and accepting that the feeling just isn't there for a while, as time goes by, if you retain that consistency of lifestyle and thought process, the feeling comes back, libido returns, MW returns, depression lifts.

[English]

Thank you for your words English, I stopped drinking for now. I'm doing way better (Thank God)l I'm already waking up with morning wood some days, before I had none. Glad to see you're well. I really take your advices and Cds too. I'm now focusing on body building, since I can get some results now but I'm avoiding supplements until I recover.

That's great BG, but i've heard this before from you. Your job is to jack yourself up every morning to be postive as fuck all day, never stop, never go back. As long as you never go back, you can only go forwards right? That's all you need to do. In the past you've always gone back again, so stop that. It will still take you at least 6 months to recover, even from where you are now, so don't expect everything overnight, and you won't be disappointed. Just enjoy who you are now, and train and eat well and be delighted at the opportunity to improve everyday. You will get there, i know you are a good person and you're trying and you keep getting back on the horse after falling off, at some point though you need to stay on the horse right?