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I made it to this site by googling juice feast finasteride. So, I think you all know what I'm trying to do here. I found posts by the legendary CD Nuts, English, and Maxout. I'm glad to see the results you guys have gotten.
Currently, I am on the 5th day of my juice feast. I have been drinking 4-5 mason jars full of green juice. I even bought a super expensive juicer! I have to say it does the job really well.
After looking at superman herbs, I went ahead and purchased around 10 of the test boosters from CD's list. I still need a few more to get going.
After stopping TRT last week, I feel a bit shitty and my erections are definitely declined from the poor state they were in while I was on TRT. Now that my juice feast is underway, I need to think about what to do next.
I plan on stopping the juice feast on July 27. After that, I am going to going to continue the green juices but add in raw foods and spoup. I did this at the beginning of the year after a 14 day water fast and had a short recovery, so I hope it works again and that I can stick to it.
One thing I am wondering is when do I start the herbs and then do a cycle of the R-Andro... I want to be peaking on Sept. 24 for my sisters wedding and be able to have sex with my gf on that trip. Any tips on how to schedule the cycles and when to start?
I'll be updating this here to record my progress and show others more proof that recovery is possible.
Just dropped $489 on herbs. I'm giving this a 100% effort.
Cdsnuts
07-22-2016, 04:36 AM
Mod....Please move this to the finasteride subsection. Thanks.
Please post all fin related topics here: Post Finasteride Syndrome (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/post-finasteride-syndrome/)
Cdsnuts
07-22-2016, 04:42 AM
I made it to this site by googling juice feast finasteride. So, I think you all know what I'm trying to do here. I found posts by the legendary CD Nuts, English, and Maxout. I'm glad to see the results you guys have gotten.
Currently, I am on the 5th day of my juice feast. I have been drinking 4-5 mason jars full of green juice. I even bought a super expensive juicer! I have to say it does the job really well.
After looking at superman herbs, I went ahead and purchased around 10 of the test boosters from CD's list. I still need a few more to get going.
After stopping TRT last week, I feel a bit shitty and my erections are definitely declined from the poor state they were in while I was on TRT. Now that my juice feast is underway, I need to think about what to do next.
I plan on stopping the juice feast on July 27. After that, I am going to going to continue the green juices but add in raw foods and spoup. I did this at the beginning of the year after a 14 day water fast and had a short recovery, so I hope it works again and that I can stick to it.
One thing I am wondering is when do I start the herbs and then do a cycle of the R-Andro... I want to be peaking on Sept. 24 for my sisters wedding and be able to have sex with my gf on that trip. Any tips on how to schedule the cycles and when to start?
I'll be updating this here to record my progress and show others more proof that recovery is possible.
Welcome.
Typically I would say you want to be refed for about a month after the feast before diving into the herbal rotation protocol but from what I'm seeing, it's not really necessary as these herbs are gentle enough on the system. So if you want, give yourself a week to ten day refeed period then start rotating the herbs. Rotate the herbs for six weeks or so and see how you feel. If you're noticing improvement, jump on a 4-6 week cycle of R andro 400/mg day.
Maxout777
07-22-2016, 09:39 AM
Just to add on to CD's post - I personally used the herbs during my juice feast and I saw nothing but benefits from them. No real negatives to report.
Welcome.
Typically I would say you want to be refed for about a month after the feast before diving into the herbal rotation protocol but from what I'm seeing, it's not really necessary as these herbs are gentle enough on the system. So if you want, give yourself a week to ten day refeed period then start rotating the herbs. Rotate the herbs for six weeks or so and see how you feel. If you're noticing improvement, jump on a 4-6 week cycle of R andro 400/mg day.
Thanks for the advice. I can't decide if I want to go Paleo or full on Ketogenic again once I start having food.
Do you know if there is anything special I should do for PCT? I just stopped taking testosterone and HCG injections last week cold turkey and what little erection and libido I had is completely gone now.
Just to add on to CD's post - I personally used the herbs during my juice feast and I saw nothing but benefits from them. No real negatives to report.
That's great. The only herb I tried before was Tribulus. The first couple days I took it, I got really hard erections and then it faded out. I'm hoping this rotation of herbs will keep the party going.
Cdsnuts
07-22-2016, 11:11 AM
Thanks for the advice. I can't decide if I want to go Paleo or full on Ketogenic again once I start having food.
Do you know if there is anything special I should do for PCT? I just stopped taking testosterone and HCG injections last week cold turkey and what little erection and libido I had is completely gone now.
In regards to PCT I used to recommend a standalone PCT but when you're rotating the herbs you're basically doing and all natural PCT by default. You can just run the Andro and then jump on the herbs and keep doing that indefinitely until you get to the place you want to be.
What herbs did you get?
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In regards to PCT I used to recommend a standalone PCT but when you're rotating the herbs you're basically doing and all natural PCT by default. You can just run the Andro and then jump on the herbs and keep doing that indefinitely until you get to the place you want to be.
What herbs did you get?
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I got:
Tongkat Ali
He Shou Wu
Rhodiola
Macuna
Horny Goat Weed
Schisandra
Cordyceps
Lions Mane
Shiljat
Pine Pollen
Ashwagandha
Maca
And Tribulus, but I'm going to send it back and look for a better brand.
I tried getting Liftmode tribulus, but can't find any in stock. Any recommendations?
Amazon.com: Tribulus Terrestris 1000mg x 90 capsules, 95% Steroidal Saponins, 80% Protodioscin: Health Personal Care (https://www.amazon.com/Tribulus-Terrestris-capsules-Steroidal-Protodioscin/dp/B009WUK1D0/ref=sr_1_9_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1469230219&sr=1-9&keywords=tribulus)
But I don't trust that its the 90% stuff because it comes in pill form.
Last day of my juice feast today. 10 days. Can't say I'll miss it much! It was my birthday yesterday and i definitely didn't have cake!
TRULY AMAZING UPDATE... I finished my juice fast a week ago and started taking a different herb each day. 3 days ago, I started getting hard erections again. Today, just now, I had one so strong and sensitive that I can't remember anything like it in the past few years. I actually forgot it gets that hard. I had to stimulate it and it took about 30-60 sec to fully come up, but wow! If this stays, my life is back on...
File (http://take.ms/wT9Jv) <---- My herbs. Can't get images to upload here...
Maxout777
08-03-2016, 01:45 PM
Glad to hear your making progress. One word of advice I'll give you is don't be surprised or disappointed if that doesn't last forever, it kinda comes in waves as I'm sure you read. My libido came roaring back over the weekend and it's not as apparent anymore, and it does that with pretty much every symptom until it just stays....or at least that's what I've experienced.
Glad to hear your making progress. One word of advice I'll give you is don't be surprised or disappointed if that doesn't last forever, it kinda comes in waves as I'm sure you read. My libido came roaring back over the weekend and it's not as apparent anymore, and it does that with pretty much every symptom until it just stays....or at least that's what I've experienced.
Thanks Maxout. By the way, I ordered a few supplements that you listed in your thread and they arrived today:
L-Tyrosin
Reacted Calcium/magnesium/Vit D
Citrulline Malate
Are you taking all of these everyday? Any special way that you take them? I figure I'll take the magnesium one at night...
Maxout777
08-03-2016, 02:18 PM
If you ordered them from NutraBio, the mag/cal/vit D tastes like 100% cattle ass. Mix it with a protein shake to save your soul. Other than that I take them all everyday, the other two once in the morning and once at night. I take my Natural Calm magnesium at night though.
If you ordered them from NutraBio, the mag/cal/vit D tastes like 100% cattle ass. Mix it with a protein shake to save your soul. Other than that I take them all everyday, the other two once in the morning and once at night. I take my Natural Calm magnesium at night though.
Yeah, I bought it all from NutraBio. What else are you taking everyday? Are you taking any of the herbs everyday? I bought Pine Pollen mega dose and Lions mane. Would you take those everyday?
Maxout777
08-03-2016, 02:53 PM
Yeah, I bought it all from NutraBio. What else are you taking everyday? Are you taking any of the herbs everyday? I bought Pine Pollen mega dose and Lions mane. Would you take those everyday?
They have quality aminos and vitamins, good choice. I take Pine Pollen, Lions Mane, Suma Root, and occasionally Pine Pollen tincture (for week or so at a time) daily.
Plus TocoCaps, fish oil, multivitamins, boron, Vit D (10000 iu), and B-complex daily as well. I have a post in my thread with pretty much in-depth outline of my supplement regimen if you ever need to reference it.
Nice. I just ordered Tococaps. Thanks!
Erection strength has faded over the past few days. I don't know why, but I'm going to continue the protocol and hope for it to come back. If anyone has experienced this and thinks it's normal, I'd love to hear it.
Cdsnuts
08-11-2016, 06:25 AM
Erection strength has faded over the past few days. I don't know why, but I'm going to continue the protocol and hope for it to come back. If anyone has experienced this and thinks it's normal, I'd love to hear it.
It's normal and is to be expected. It's all part of the three steps forward one step back routine and will continue on indefinitely. The difference is when you're healed and you're having an off day, it's barely noticed by this part of your body. When you have PFS, well, you know the drill. You have to take these days in stride and just continue on. What are your other options?
The biggest thing I have found in keeping guys motivated is the constant reassurance that all is well and they are where they need to be. It's endless. And even if they've read it on someone elses story (which they most certainly have) they still need to hear it about themselves.
Lucas...as long as you're doing what you're supposed to be doing than you have nothing to worry about. You have to realize that everyday that passes is another day further away from when you stopped taking the poison. Another day closer to being fully healed. Time will always do it's thing, you just have to make sure to do yours as well.
TIME + CONSISTENCY = RESULTS.
It's normal and is to be expected. It's all part of the three steps forward one step back routine and will continue on indefinitely. The difference is when you're healed and you're having an off day, it's barely noticed by this part of your body. When you have PFS, well, you know the drill. You have to take these days in stride and just continue on. What are your other options?
The biggest thing I have found in keeping guys motivated is the constant reassurance that all is well and they are where they need to be. It's endless. And even if they've read it on someone elses story (which they most certainly have) they still need to hear it about themselves.
Lucas...as long as you're doing what you're supposed to be doing than you have nothing to worry about. You have to realize that everyday that passes is another day further away from when you stopped taking the poison. Another day closer to being fully healed. Time will always do it's thing, you just have to make sure to do yours as well.
TIME + CONSISTENCY = RESULTS.
Thanks. Things are just getting a bit dark, but I know I have no other choice than to continue. I am supposed to go see my girlfriend in NY which is an 8 hour drive and I just don't want this to slip anymore.
Last week, my dick was so recovered that it would stay hard even if I wasn't touching it. Now, if I take my hand away, it goes soft. I've seen this pattern before, so I get really freaked out.
Thank you for the support though. I'm going to keep with it.
Do you guys think that jerking off too much hurts progress, or even makes you backslide?
Cdsnuts
08-11-2016, 01:13 PM
Do you guys think that jerking off too much hurts progress, or even makes you backslide?
Are you kidding me?? Unequivocally yes. You shouldn't be masturbating at all.
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Maxout777
08-11-2016, 01:33 PM
Are you kidding me?? Unequivocally yes. You shouldn't be masturbating at all.
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Just to add, I've done this and I've regretted it. My girl wasn't home when my libido came roaring back the other weekend, and I gave into temptation like the old days. Was like getting hit with a ton of bricks after I did it too. Regretted it instantly. Can't agree more, it's NoFap rest of the way for me.....just stick to regular sex if you can.
Cdsnuts
08-11-2016, 01:34 PM
Just to add, I've done this and I've regretted it. My girl wasn't home when my libido came roaring back the other weekend, and I gave into temptation like the old days. Was like getting hit with a ton of bricks after I did it too. Regretted it instantly. Can't agree more, it's NoFap rest of the way for me.....just stick to regular sex if you can.
Regular sex will actually benefit the situation as opposed to masturbation
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Maxout777
08-11-2016, 01:40 PM
Regular sex will actually benefit the situation as opposed to masturbation
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Agree with this 100%.
Luca, I should've been more clear on this when you asked my advices earlier. I stupidly for the first month masturbated once a week to prevent and atrophy or length/girth loss (I learned later this comes back when you're sorted out), so I've always wondered how much that set me back. Now that I've got regular morning/nocturnal erections I don't even think of doing it, but I know from being there before that when nothing is going on, it's tempting to keep the blood flowing there. Just gotta leave it alone (besides regular sex) to heal.
Damn. I've been doing it too much. I am just so freaked out that it is going to go away. I'll stop. Now. Good god I'm glad I asked that.
Another thing that has happened in the past and is happening now is that after I recover for a little bit, I start having trouble with my prostate. At least I think it's my prostate? I keep on having pee streams that are broken up and kind of hard to get out. Anyone have this??
Also, thank you for talking to me about this. This has been a very rough day.
Agree with this 100%.
Luca, I should've been more clear on this when you asked my advices earlier. I stupidly for the first month masturbated once a week to prevent and atrophy or length/girth loss (I learned later this comes back when you're sorted out), so I've always wondered how much that set me back. Now that I've got regular morning/nocturnal erections I don't even think of doing it, but I know from being there before that when nothing is going on, it's tempting to keep the blood flowing there. Just gotta leave it alone (besides regular sex) to heal.
That really makes me wonder now. I was 110% last week. I should have just left it alone.
Cdsnuts
08-12-2016, 09:35 AM
Agree with this 100%.
Luca, I should've been more clear on this when you asked my advices earlier. I stupidly for the first month masturbated once a week to prevent and atrophy or length/girth loss (I learned later this comes back when you're sorted out), so I've always wondered how much that set me back. Now that I've got regular morning/nocturnal erections I don't even think of doing it, but I know from being there before that when nothing is going on, it's tempting to keep the blood flowing there. Just gotta leave it alone (besides regular sex) to heal.
I don't believe we've ever talked about this Maxout, but this is what I used and still use to this day although no where near the amount I used to use it. GREAT way to exercise the penis while not having to get yourself aroused. There is a thread about it some where on this site. A bunch of guys got them and were sharing their experiences. It is always a great idea to keep the penis supplied with fresh blood and get erections on a regular basis. If it's not happening naturally then you need to do it manually. Not only that, but you will add size in both length and girth with this unit. It was a pretty funny thread actually.....
Home - Official Hydromax Pump (http://www.officialhydromaxpump.com?a_aid=56f823944319c)
Maxout777
08-12-2016, 09:54 AM
I don't believe we've ever talked about this Maxout, but this is what I used and still use to this day although no where near the amount I used to use it. GREAT way to exercise the penis while not having to get yourself aroused. There is a thread about it some where on this site. A bunch of guys got them and were sharing their experiences. It is always a great idea to keep the penis supplied with fresh blood and get erections on a regular basis. If it's not happening naturally then you need to do it manually. Not only that, but you will add size in both length and girth with this unit. It was a pretty funny thread actually.....
Home - Official Hydromax Pump (http://www.officialhydromaxpump.com?a_aid=56f823944319c)
We haven't ever talked about it but I came across it when I was doing my research paper on you prior to starting your routine lol. I never purchased at that time because the larger size wasn't available - not trying to toot my own horn here but I was doing pretty damn well for myself prior to PFS....and I'd like to keep it that way so I'll probably be buying one in the near future. Even though I'm having regular nocturnal and morning wood, it can't do anything but help.
Did you get straightened back out (to pre-PFS size) without the use of the pump or do you attribute it to that as well? I've read where some guys just come back normally. But of course if there's any place I'd love to see gains in general, it'd be in penis size lol. How hard is this thing to use? And just a 15 minute session a day....doesn't sound bad.
I don't believe we've ever talked about this Maxout, but this is what I used and still use to this day although no where near the amount I used to use it. GREAT way to exercise the penis while not having to get yourself aroused. There is a thread about it some where on this site. A bunch of guys got them and were sharing their experiences. It is always a great idea to keep the penis supplied with fresh blood and get erections on a regular basis. If it's not happening naturally then you need to do it manually. Not only that, but you will add size in both length and girth with this unit. It was a pretty funny thread actually.....
Home - Official Hydromax Pump (http://www.officialhydromaxpump.com?a_aid=56f823944319c)
This is interesting... So when you use this thing, you get an erection without getting aroused? I wonder if this will help me before sex...
Cdsnuts
08-12-2016, 12:40 PM
This is interesting... So when you use this thing, you get an erection without getting aroused? I wonder if this will help me before sex...
It mechanically gives you an erection by using suction. When using this you can fill your self up further then you would through regular means and you really get blood into every nook and cranny of your penis giving it a really good fill and stretch. With regular use you will get size increases. Not only that but your erection quality will go through the roof. This simple tool is one of the best things you can do for erection quality and a healthy penis without using drugs or other dangerous methods. It's especially helpful for PFS guys simply because of the fact that they don't get very good erections often enough which leads to atrophy and size loss.
It most certainly will help you before sex. If you do a session even hours before having sex you will still notice a huge difference in EQ.
Try and find the thread on here where a bunch of guys purchased it.....
Cdsnuts
08-12-2016, 12:46 PM
We haven't ever talked about it but I came across it when I was doing my research paper on you prior to starting your routine lol. I never purchased at that time because the larger size wasn't available - not trying to toot my own horn here but I was doing pretty damn well for myself prior to PFS....and I'd like to keep it that way so I'll probably be buying one in the near future. Even though I'm having regular nocturnal and morning wood, it can't do anything but help.
Did you get straightened back out (to pre-PFS size) without the use of the pump or do you attribute it to that as well? I've read where some guys just come back normally. But of course if there's any place I'd love to see gains in general, it'd be in penis size lol. How hard is this thing to use? And just a 15 minute session a day....doesn't sound bad.
I would say that you would get back to regular size without it over time as your body comes back to the correct equilibrium. But I was never one to wait if I didn't' have to. I can't say how much longer it would have taken had I not used this. Most everyone I know that has one will tell you they enjoy using it not only because it's pleasurable, but it works. It's pretty amazing how big you can get your cock with this thing.......It will definitely speed things up in regards to straightening it as well.
Cdsnuts
08-12-2016, 12:52 PM
Here it is:
Getting SWOLE (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/misc/2618-getting-swole.html)
I would say that you would get back to regular size without it over time as your body comes back to the correct equilibrium. But I was never one to wait if I didn't' have to. I can't say how much longer it would have taken had I not used this. Most everyone I know that has one will tell you they enjoy using it not only because it's pleasurable, but it works. It's pretty amazing how big you can get your cock with this thing.......It will definitely speed things up in regards to straightening it as well.
That's really interesting. I guess I'll just use it everyday and not ejaculate.
On another note, you mentioned equilibrium. I got my blood work taken during the end of my juice fast. My testosterone was around 150! Then after I started eating my testosterone obviously went up and I seemed to have caught equilibrium for a few days and then slowly drifted out again. It's really depressing every time this happens, but I hope more than anything it comes back soon. Anyway, I can say that my penis size and strength came back super strong when I was back in equilibrium.
Just ordered one. Express delivery!
Cdsnuts
08-12-2016, 01:26 PM
That's really interesting. I guess I'll just use it everyday and not ejaculate.
On another note, you mentioned equilibrium. I got my blood work taken during the end of my juice fast. My testosterone was around 150! Then after I started eating my testosterone obviously went up and I seemed to have caught equilibrium for a few days and then slowly drifted out again. It's really depressing every time this happens, but I hope more than anything it comes back soon. Anyway, I can say that my penis size and strength came back super strong when I was back in equilibrium.
Three steps forward one step back....rinse and repeat.
I wouldn't go everyday at first otherwise you may blow a gasket......Do every other day at first for the first couple weeks and see how it goes from there. There is a learning curve in the beginning. If you need help, just start a thread and I'll help through there so that others can benefit as well. No need to be shy here.....
Three steps forward one step back....rinse and repeat.
I wouldn't go everyday at first otherwise you may blow a gasket......Do every other day at first for the first couple weeks and see how it goes from there. There is a learning curve in the beginning. If you need help, just start a thread and I'll help through there so that others can benefit as well. No need to be shy here.....
Thanks for that advice!
3 steps forward, one back. Seems like I've taken about 2.5 steps back, but that's neither here nor there. I just hope I don't go three steps back. I'm trying CD! To rinse and repeat, do you recommend me going back to the fasting stage again to try and come back online? I am pretty underweight at this point, but I'll do whatever I need to...
TubZy
08-12-2016, 01:50 PM
You can actually increase your dongs size and girth with continued use (think of like training in gym although it's not a muscle). I used to use it EOD, I still have mine but haven't used it lately lol or since as recreational use in college haha.
You can actually increase your dongs size and girth with continued use (think of like training in gym although it's not a muscle). I used to use it EOD, I still have mine but haven't used it lately lol or since as recreational use in college haha.
Damn, should have told me you don't use yours anymore. It sounds like I could have gotten a bargain on a used one! lol jk
TubZy
08-12-2016, 08:30 PM
Damn, should have told me you don't use yours anymore. It sounds like I could have gotten a bargain on a used one! lol jk
It's got a lot of mileage on it, you don't want it haha. I may dig it back up now after reading this thread since I actually have energy again..
It's got a lot of mileage on it, you don't want it haha. I may dig it back up now after reading this thread since I actually have energy again..
Haha have fun. Can't wait to get mine.
I took a look at your prohormone thread and see that you are also trying to recover from fin use. How are you doing now? Especially with erections... seems like you haven't had to use that pump in a while, so that's a good sign.
TubZy
08-14-2016, 12:26 PM
Haha have fun. Can't wait to get mine.
I took a look at your prohormone thread and see that you are also trying to recover from fin use. How are you doing now? Especially with erections... seems like you haven't had to use that pump in a while, so that's a good sign.
bro my fatigue and anxiety was so bad when I crashed with PFS 2.5 years ago that the bathmate was the last thing on my mind lol..finally within the last 3 months and with this R andro cycle im on my fatigue is starting to really disappear
Maxout777
08-14-2016, 12:27 PM
I also ordered the X40 pump. Let the gains begin.
X40 over here too lol RED.
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bro my fatigue and anxiety was so bad when I crashed with PFS 2.5 years ago that the bathmate was the last thing on my mind lol..finally within the last 3 months and with this R andro cycle im on my fatigue is starting to really disappear
Good to hear! I'll be looking at doing an andro cycle sometime down the road.
I am definitely freaked out right now. Since my initial improvement with the herbs, my erection quality has declined. If it were just that, I wouldn't mention it again and just continue on with the protocol.
However, my prostate is definitely swelling; I'm having a difficult time peeing and I have to go about twice as much as I should. Any idea what's going on here? I'm sick of wasting my money on doctors that never help me.
Maxout777
08-15-2016, 06:46 AM
I am definitely freaked out right now. Since my initial improvement with the herbs, my erection quality has declined. If it were just that, I wouldn't mention it again and just continue on with the protocol.
However, my prostate is definitely swelling; I'm having a difficult time peeing and I have to go about twice as much as I should. Any idea what's going on here? I'm sick of wasting my money on doctors that never help me.
I had frequent urination and prostate pain before I began the protocol as well, it's gone now. Honestly man you need to relax your mind and just continue on the path and things will get better. It's not gonna be easy and most likely you won't see instant results....but they will come. Just have faith and stick with it. Don't try and treat individual symptoms and just try to treat the problem as a whole, and things will start falling into place.
Cdsnuts
08-15-2016, 08:17 AM
I am definitely freaked out right now. Since my initial improvement with the herbs, my erection quality has declined. If it were just that, I wouldn't mention it again and just continue on with the protocol.
However, my prostate is definitely swelling; I'm having a difficult time peeing and I have to go about twice as much as I should. Any idea what's going on here? I'm sick of wasting my money on doctors that never help me.
If this is how you feel it wouldn't hurt to try lowering your Estrogen a bit. If your prostate is swelling it may have become elevated due to increased Test from the herbs. You may still be aromatising too much. If this is the case, dose your pine pollen at three heaping tablespoons per day...once in the morning, once in the afternoon and once at night. You should notice an almost immediate difference in your situation if in fact your estrogen is high. Pine pollen is one of the best things to gently usher estrogen out of your system and re-balance your other hormones.
I have been dosing the pine pollen three times per day for the past few days, and hopefully it will start working to balance me out. I'll stick with it.
This is actually my theory about what is happening with me. In the past, I have gotten my testosterone very low from fasting, and then when my testosterone starts increasing I aromatize slowly until my recovery goes away - even if my estrogen levels are within range. I don't know what to think about it to be honest though...
Sent you a PM, CD.
Maxout777
08-15-2016, 09:19 AM
I have been dosing the pine pollen three times per day for the past few days, and hopefully it will start working to balance me out. I'll stick with it.
This is actually my theory about what is happening with me. In the past, I have gotten my testosterone very low from fasting, and then when my testosterone starts increasing I aromatize slowly until my recovery goes away - even if my estrogen levels are within range. I don't know what to think about it to be honest though...
Sent you a PM, CD.
I sometimes wonder if I aromatize too much still too even though I make good progress. I can definitely relate to you on the frustration of levels being "in range". Makes it hard to determine which aspects of your regimen you need to tweak. Whole damn thing can be so frustrating at times.
I want to figure out why I came back to %110 recovery directly after my fast.
I know my T was 150 at the end of the fast. I started eating, taking herbs and moving around... 2 days later I had that huge improvement. Why would I be slowly fading now? That's the big question. A couple of things point to estrogen being the culprit, but I couldn't say for sure.
Going to drive 8 hours to NYC on Thursday to see my gf. Can't say I'm anxiety-free...
TubZy
08-15-2016, 09:44 AM
Just pop a cialis man that is what I would do and have done.
It could be that your receptors are just sensitive to estrogen. That is the case for me. I have a good hormonal profile but if I touch anything remotely estrogenic and 5ARI's I get the symptoms of estrogen dominance. So just stick through , I have ups and downs as well.
Maxout777
08-15-2016, 09:52 AM
Yeah I agree with TubZy, I would just pop a PDE5. You're going to have anxiety for awhile about this - I've had unassisted sex for months now and I STILL in the back of my head never feel sure going into it. It's going to take some time to get over the baggage. But if you know you're still struggling to keep an erection I would hit the cialis. It'll be better for your emotional state to perform well than to not be able to perform and get super down on yourself.
Plus, I've read in posts where Cialis actually helps balance the Test/Estro ratio and maybe even boosts Test some? You can check out the studies online, I read up on the Peak Testosterone website on their cialis page. Not a terrible drug at all!
Just pop a cialis man that is what I would do and have done.
It could be that your receptors are just sensitive to estrogen. That is the case for me. I have a good hormonal profile but if I touch anything remotely estrogenic and 5ARI's I get the symptoms of estrogen dominance. So just stick through , I have ups and downs as well.
I'm wondering if I am really sensitive to estrogen too. I had mild gyno starting when I was a teen and low testosterone. I rarely had ED before taking finasteride.
Yeah I agree with TubZy, I would just pop a PDE5. You're going to have anxiety for awhile about this - I've had unassisted sex for months now and I STILL in the back of my head never feel sure going into it. It's going to take some time to get over the baggage. But if you know you're still struggling to keep an erection I would hit the cialis. It'll be better for your emotional state to perform well than to not be able to perform and get super down on yourself.
Plus, I've read in posts where Cialis actually helps balance the Test/Estro ratio and maybe even boosts Test some? You can check out the studies online, I read up on the Peak Testosterone website on their cialis page. Not a terrible drug at all!
Yeah, I've been taking cialis 5 mg daily for most of the last year and a half since finasteride. It's still not that strong with cialis. When I experience recovery and have that 5 mg, it's like a steel rod. Now it's much less strong...
Cdsnuts
08-15-2016, 10:37 AM
Yeah I agree with TubZy, I would just pop a PDE5. You're going to have anxiety for awhile about this - I've had unassisted sex for months now and I STILL in the back of my head never feel sure going into it. It's going to take some time to get over the baggage. But if you know you're still struggling to keep an erection I would hit the cialis. It'll be better for your emotional state to perform well than to not be able to perform and get super down on yourself.
Plus, I've read in posts where Cialis actually helps balance the Test/Estro ratio and maybe even boosts Test some? You can check out the studies online, I read up on the Peak Testosterone website on their cialis page. Not a terrible drug at all!
It's exactly this....the baggage is what is going to bother you more than anything. You fail a couple times and that shit gets stuck in your head and played on repeat every single time you go to do the deed. Rather then focusing on your woman, her pleasure, her body, the way she is feeling, you're thinking is my dick gonna work. That's the quickest way for your dick not to work. You lose track of what you should actually be focusing on. This is where learning to calm your mind and centering yourself comes into play. When you get good at it, a couple deep breathes and you're back into the present moment, where you need to be. This is a skill that gets stronger with time and the more you use it. Definitely something that is useful in life for all moments where you need to be centered.
I use this and so have others with fantastic results: http://www.centerpointe.com/?aid=374012. Of course you don' t have to have this, it just makes learning this skill a little easier.
So much of PFS damage is done in the beginning when you crash and then you're left with the mental baggage from this which is why this thing persists so long for alot of guys. Get your mind in control and half the battle is won.
Yeah, I'm pretty good about relaxing myself in bed and getting my girl really aroused. That still doesn't bring my steel rod back even if I'm by myself with no anxiety. The only thing that I've seen bring back the steel is if my hormones shift, and at those times it has been only temporary. The strong shifts due to starting TRT injections or an AI only last briefly. Small doses of TRT cream last a bit longer. Supplementing with DHEA and other lighter stuff can give me a longer temporary recovery. That's why I think using the herbs and healthy lifestyle may be able to gently balance me out and lead to permanent recovery.
On another note, I had a big day at the mailbox. I received my tococaps and 4 new SMHs:
Tongkat (I guess the little stick measure is one 100 mg serving)
Maral Root
Black Ant
Cistanche
Cdsnuts
08-15-2016, 12:02 PM
On another note, I had a big day at the mailbox. I received my tococaps and 4 new SMHs:
Tongkat (I guess the little stick measure is one 100 mg serving)
Maral Root
Black Ant
Cistanche
You're going to enjoy the tongkat. Best stuff you'll ever get, imo
I took the SMH Tongkat today. It just happened to be my Tongkat day and I noticed this stuff gave me a feeling I didn't get with the capsules I had taken in the morning.
rahaysa
08-16-2016, 01:40 AM
It's exactly this....the baggage is what is going to bother you more than anything. You fail a couple times and that shit gets stuck in your head and played on repeat every single time you go to do the deed. Rather then focusing on your woman, her pleasure, her body, the way she is feeling, you're thinking is my dick gonna work. That's the quickest way for your dick not to work. You lose track of what you should actually be focusing on. This is where learning to calm your mind and centering yourself comes into play. When you get good at it, a couple deep breathes and you're back into the present moment, where you need to be. This is a skill that gets stronger with time and the more you use it. Definitely something that is useful in life for all moments where you need to be centered.
I use this and so have others with fantastic results: http://www.centerpointe.com/?aid=374012. Of course you don' t have to have this, it just makes learning this skill a little easier.
So much of PFS damage is done in the beginning when you crash and then you're left with the mental baggage from this which is why this thing persists so long for alot of guys. Get your mind in control and half the battle is won.
Absolutely true... i have experienced this in-numerous times ... when i try to concentrate on having a good time and pleasing her everyhting goes smooth and as soon as i think is it hard can i do it ... the penis dies out on me ... and thats due to anxiety... and that one time will create issue for several more times and cretae failure .. until you again get back on the wagon of stress free sexual experience... and the worst of all is the silent voice at the back of your mind which keeps ushering at every point in time that you are a PFS victim and more so when you try to have sex ... ha ... it has taken me a lot of meditation and conditioning of mind to reach to todays point where i can push that voice to background for most of the times ...
Not sure what is going on. Last night I woke up to pee (this has been happening a lot more lately) and I could not go - only a few little drops. I waited for about 15 minutes and went back to bed. I was able to slowly pee this morning.
I am taking the pine pollen, but I'm wondering what else to do here. The only time I had similar a similar experience was when I was taking a lot of tribulus over a few week period in the spring. I am wondering if these herbs are damaging my prostate by increasing DHT or estrogen too much. I want to keep taking the herbs, but what happened last night seems pretty serious.
Maxout777
08-17-2016, 06:40 AM
Not sure what is going on. Last night I woke up to pee (this has been happening a lot more lately) and I could not go - only a few little drops. I waited for about 15 minutes and went back to bed. I was able to slowly pee this morning.
I am taking the pine pollen, but I'm wondering what else to do here. The only time I had similar a similar experience was when I was taking a lot of tribulus over a few week period in the spring. I am wondering if these herbs are damaging my prostate by increasing DHT or estrogen too much. I want to keep taking the herbs, but what happened last night seems pretty serious.
Pine Pollen should be helping the prostate if anything.....still possible you could be aromatizing too much. My urination issues didn't last very long at all so I don't have many pieces of advice to give, but I still think you're doing the right thing. Could just take awhile for that to go away.
Not sure what's going on with my prostate. It's sore most of the time and I can barely piss. I'm trying to get an appointment with a doctor to see what's going on.
On the positive side, I am staying with the gym and diet very strictly. I have gotten back up to 45 lbs on my belt for pull ups.
For those out there carb backloading, what do you do for your carb sources? According to paleo leap, it seems like potatoes are the most dense form of acceptable carbs. How strict are you guys with your paleo backloading?
Maxout777
08-25-2016, 03:23 PM
Not sure what's going on with my prostate. It's sore most of the time and I can barely piss. I'm trying to get an appointment with a doctor to see what's going on.
On the positive side, I am staying with the gym and diet very strictly. I have gotten back up to 45 lbs on my belt for pull ups.
For those out there carb backloading, what do you do for your carb sources? According to paleo leap, it seems like potatoes are the most dense form of acceptable carbs. How strict are you guys with your paleo backloading?
I eat a lot of potatoes, gluten free grain granola snacks, white rice (eat a lot of sushi), and gluten free pizza. Those are pretty much my staples.
My mom got some gluten free brownies, but I've been staying away because there is sugar in there. I also found that Kifer drink you were recommending but there is sugar in there too. I think I might be being too rigid and missing the point here.
Maxout777
08-25-2016, 05:06 PM
My mom got some gluten free brownies, but I've been staying away because there is sugar in there. I also found that Kifer drink you were recommending but there is sugar in there too. I think I might be being too rigid and missing the point here.
IMO, there's a major difference between a natural sugar in a fruit or kefir than a processed sugar in a sweet tea or brownie. My diet isn't SUGAR free, it's PROCESSED sugar free.
Nice. I think I'm going to pick up some of that Kifer. I want to get one of the flavored kinds instead of the plain just to satisfy my sweet tooth.
Maxout777
08-26-2016, 10:05 AM
Nice. I think I'm going to pick up some of that Kifer. I want to get one of the flavored kinds instead of the plain just to satisfy my sweet tooth.
You can always get the frozen kind or freeze it yourself like I do. I get it from Whole Foods and it tastes just like a frozen yogurt/ice cream. It's a fantastic dessert substitute.
Update: Going to see a prostate specialist on Thursday. Its really hard to pee even though I have to go often. Hopefully my doctor can clear it up like Maxout's did and I can continue with recovery. I am still on my diet and lifestyle habits.
Maxout777
09-08-2016, 06:34 PM
Update: Going to see a prostate specialist on Thursday. Its really hard to pee even though I have to go often. Hopefully my doctor can clear it up like Maxout's did and I can continue with recovery. I am still on my diet and lifestyle habits.
Hope everything went well for you man. Not to be the bearer of bad news, but my doctor didn't clear anything up for me. If anything all he did was give me free blood tests, and he was always upfront with me that while he believed what happened to me was true, he didn't know how to help or what to do for me other than give me some Cialis to get through and hope time healed me. I appreciated his honesty and support, but I'm done with western medicine....I've never had a satisfactory experience with any doctor in terms of resolving anything. I always get something to "mask" my symptoms of whatever I go to the doc for.
Basically what I'm saying is you're better off just sticking your nose to the grindstone than relying on the doc.
Pageidol
11-18-2016, 02:31 PM
Cdnuts in regards to this thread, i came across a post of yours on propecia.com and you mention you lost a whole inch in length which you got back. Was it really that bad for you mate?
Thats fukin awful. I think youve got some fukin courage man
James
Cdsnuts
11-18-2016, 04:41 PM
Cdnuts in regards to this thread, i came across a post of yours on propecia.com and you mention you lost a whole inch in length which you got back. Was it really that bad for you mate?
Thats fukin awful. I think youve got some fukin courage man
James
This is Luca's thread, so we can PM if you want after this as I don't want to go off topic here.
But to answer your question, yes...I was a horrific fucking mess. Not only lost an inch in length, but girth as well. It was a pathetic looking excuse for a penis. As if I wasn't mind fucked enough, even if I did manage to be in the situation to have sex, I would have been preoccupied with how sorry my unit looked.
This is what I try to tell every guy that comes looking for advice....I was one of the worst, and now I'm in the best shape of my life...mentally and physically. But I worked for it....hard. In hind site....and I hate to even say this...but if PFS didn't happen to me, I doubt I would be where I am today in regards to keeping up on myself.
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