Been a long time coming! Overwhelmed and don't know where to start.

[K8668B]

First of all, nice to meet all of you! It took me years to get here!


About me-


Started taking propecia from a month before i turned 17, all the way till age 25. 30 years old now. I started suffering from the side effects of propecia by the time i was 18 in a half years old. The main side effect i got is sexual dysfunction. While the secondary sides are occasional brain fog, slight anxiety, and a rotating sleep schedule known as "non 24 sleep disorder". I did however, have my first ever temporary 70% recovery back in november 2016 from prolab's horny goat weed, along with less masturbation. This lasted for about 2 weeks. Through all my trials and tribulations over the years, i finally became 100% aware that it was PFS about 2 months ago.

Been on solvepfs for a good month now. A long time before that, i used to google things alot. I finally found my way here because i've been a bodybuilding and fitness enthusiast my whole life, and have been athletic and in great shape my whole life, and I realize that these things are very related to curing PFS. They are literally tied in! After some time on solvepfs, and doing my research, the type of recovery/protocol that began to make the most sense to me is that of CDNUTS. The two are literally tied in, and in everyway relate to my life goals in general. I saw his recovery years ago, but i didnt get it then, because i just wasnt at this point yet then.

Its all beginning to naturally make alot more sense to me now. I just have some questions, and ill make them simple, because i dont want be the 8 millionith person to ask the same damn questions.

Water fasting- makes alot of sense actually. but how do you go so long without food... couldnt you die from starvation? (well obviously not if people have been doing it). And how do you cope with water fasting while still working a job, and other things like that?

And bodybuilding- I've always had my own routine that has given me an incredible physique. I go by a body part or 2 a day routine, and i do this monday through saturday. It works very well for me physique wise, but cock-wise obviously not, due to pfs. But I am even worse sexually ive noticed, when im not on my gym routine. And many times, my gym routine has seemed to increase my test. You can feel it immediately. Would i have to change my program? I'm willing to if i have to.

Doctors have never helped me. I'm done with them. Only I can help myself. And other pfsers and recovered pfsers. I don't have detailed bloodwork results like ive seen from alot of other people on the forums. I've only had my test levels measured twice in my life. Once at 22 where i was 646 total serum testosterone, and once at 30, where i was 605 total serum testosterone. These labs only showed total test and nothing else. And my doctors won't let me take a testosterone test at my own leisure.

I'm also into trying certain neurosteroids and prohormones to help.

Ready to end this shit once and for all finally! It is my main priority in life!

By the way, I live in Florida, and if some of you happen to live near me, i would love to meet up in person!

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[Cdsnuts]

First of all, nice to meet all of you! It took me years to get here!


About me-


Started taking propecia from a month before i turned 17, all the way till age 25. 30 years old now. I started suffering from the side effects of propecia by the time i was 18 in a half years old. The main side effect i got is sexual dysfunction. While the secondary sides are occasional brain fog, slight anxiety, and a rotating sleep schedule known as "non 24 sleep disorder". I did however, have my first ever temporary 70% recovery back in november 2016 from prolab's horny goat weed, along with less masturbation. This lasted for about 2 weeks. Through all my trials and tribulations over the years, i finally became 100% aware that it was PFS about 2 months ago.

Been on solvepfs for a good month now. A long time before that, i used to google things alot. I finally found my way here because i've been a bodybuilding and fitness enthusiast my whole life, and have been athletic and in great shape my whole life, and I realize that these things are very related to curing PFS. They are literally tied in! After some time on solvepfs, and doing my research, the type of recovery/protocol that began to make the most sense to me is that of CDNUTS. The two are literally tied in, and in everyway relate to my life goals in general. I saw his recovery years ago, but i didnt get it then, because i just wasnt at this point yet then.

Its all beginning to naturally make alot more sense to me now. I just have some questions, and ill make them simple, because i dont want be the 8 millionith person to ask the same damn questions.

Water fasting- makes alot of sense actually. but how do you go so long without food... couldnt you die from starvation? (well obviously not if people have been doing it). And how do you cope with water fasting while still working a job, and other things like that?
You don't. Water fasting for any therapeutic length of time has to be done at a water fasting center. You cannot work or pretty much do anything during this time except rest.

And bodybuilding- I've always had my own routine that has given me an incredible physique. I go by a body part or 2 a day routine, and i do this monday through saturday. It works very well for me physique wise, but cock-wise obviously not, due to pfs. But I am even worse sexually ive noticed, when im not on my gym routine. And many times, my gym routine has seemed to increase my test. You can feel it immediately. Would i have to change my program? I'm willing to if i have to.
You're current program is fine. The important part is DOING IT. It doesn't matter what program your following as long as your moving weight.

Doctors have never helped me. I'm done with them. Only I can help myself. And other pfsers and recovered pfsers. I don't have detailed bloodwork results like ive seen from alot of other people on the forums. I've only had my test levels measured twice in my life. Once at 22 where i was 646 total serum testosterone, and once at 30, where i was 605 total serum testosterone. These labs only showed total test and nothing else. And my doctors won't let me take a testosterone test at my own leisure. They can't help you....unfortunately nothing they can do will help you....it's up to you.

I'm also into trying certain neurosteroids and prohormones to help.
This is only a small piece of the puzzle

Ready to end this shit once and for all finally! It is my main priority in life!

By the way, I live in Florida, and if some of you happen to live near me, i would love to meet up in person!

I'll tell you what I tell all the others.....the sooner you jump in with both feet, the better. 100% commitment is what is needed to recover....nothing less.

You've found the right place for that.

Good luck to you.

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[K8668B]

Awesome! Thank you! I appreciate you answering my questions. Makes sense about the water fast! Kind of relieving actually. And it's good to know that i can keep my gym routine of the last so many years, and not have to change that. It's actually relieving, believe it or not, just knowing that its PFS that i have had all this time. Went through all these women over the years, not fully understanding my condition. Legitimate fantasy women too, some of them. Not one of them has ever put up with my PFS either. So two months ago, believe it or not, learning that it was 100% pfs, finally after all of these years, was relieving. Hopefully we can all help each other here. And thank you for the link!

[Cdsnuts]

Awesome! Thank you! I appreciate you answering my questions. Makes sense about the water fast! Kind of relieving actually. And it's good to know that i can keep my gym routine of the last so many years, and not have to change that. It's actually relieving, believe it or not, just knowing that its PFS that i have had all this time. Went through all these women over the years, not fully understanding my condition. Legitimate fantasy women too, some of them. Not one of them has ever put up with my PFS either. So two months ago, believe it or not, learning that it was 100% pfs, finally after all of these years, was relieving. Hopefully we can all help each other here. And thank you for the link!

Believe me....we've all been there so we know what you are going through.

[K8668B]

Believe me....we've all been there so we know what you are going through.


Thank you for that! That means alot to me!

I came to the realization that this is all literally tied in together! It's so ironic!!! For a decade now, i always had a vision of what i wanted my physique to look like (and i achieved that), and i also had a vision of how i wanted to perform with a girl sexually. And like being a sex god, lol. Just having everything about yourself in place, all at once dialed in and primed. A beast of a man with a hella shape, and just to be able to lay down the pipework like a real life pornstar. Can't do that while suffering with PFS. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!! It's a total hunger for the power of being the most optimal MAN you can be, and reaping its benefits and enjoying life to the fullest!

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Ill be back later! Gonna hit the gym right now as we speak!

[Cdsnuts]

Thank you for that! That means alot to me!

I came to the realization that this is all literally tied in together! It's so ironic!!! For a decade now, i always had a vision of what i wanted my physique to look like (and i achieved that), and i also had a vision of how i wanted to perform with a girl sexually. And like being a sex god, lol. Just having everything about yourself in place, all at once dialed in and primed. A beast of a man with a hella shape, and just to be able to lay down the pipework like a real life pornstar. Can't do that while suffering with PFS. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!! It's a total hunger for the power of being the most optimal MAN you can be, and reaping its benefits and enjoying life to the fullest!

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Ill be back later! Gonna hit the gym right now as we speak!
When it does all come together it is the best feeling in the world. It's just something that money can't buy.

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[K8668B]

I can imagine! Had that feeling myself briefly in november 2016!! Felt amazing. Yo CD, i tried replying to this post about the program with just a few more concerns. and it keeps logging me out. I'll get back to this later. Seems that i cant stay idle on here for longer than 3 minutes

[K8668B]

And yes, i read the TMO link you sent me. All of it! Word for word.

[Cdsnuts]

I can imagine! Had that feeling myself briefly in november 2016!! Felt amazing. Yo CD, i tried replying to this post about the program with just a few more concerns. and it keeps logging me out. I'll get back to this later. Seems that i cant stay idle on here for longer than 3 minutes

Really?

Can you post your questions now?

Let me know what your concerns are.

You're in pretty good shape my man....keep it up!

[K8668B]

Really?

Can you post your questions now?

Let me know what your concerns are.

You're in pretty good shape my man....keep it up!

Thank you. Yeah the physique building part always came quite natural for me. I've never even used creatine or any prohormones either. Just protein powder and a diet. But im willing to try some prohormones if theyll help me beat PFS. As long as i dont lose more hair or anything haha. I will post them in a little bit. I have to write them down on paper first, and then post. Because it was somewhat lengthy and detailed, and i tried posting it twice, and it wouldnt let me.

[K8668B]

Water fast- This is obviously the first part. Its not a problem for me. So if i get the fast out of the way, right now, would It be a bad thing if i went back to my current diet after the fast for a little bit? Because right now, I dont have the funds for the herbs and the better brands of foods at the moment YET.

And diet of now is this- My main everyday staple- Eggs, peanut butter sandwiches, tuna, lean chicken, body fortress whey protein powder, broccoli and watermelon. I just recently added the broccoli and watermelon about 2 months ago.

Prohormones- are they necessary? heard they can make you lose hair faster. It was never my choice to even take propecia at a young age 16. And idiot parent talked me into it at the time. Now at 30, having been off the drug for 5 years, my hairline is noticeably receding and at the moment, its looking like im gonna have no dick and no hair at the same time! I was talked into propecia because I have 3 brothers from other mothers who are bald, and my father was bald.

And time it takes to recover--- I'm reading that supposedly it takes 2 years to recover. I've already suffered for a decade. Not even fully aware of the fact that i had PFS until 2 months ago. Ive missed out on so much. I used to think that it was just ED. But it was definitely that damn propecia!!! While doing all this stuff to recover, will i still be able to enjoy my life at the same time? Im already getting older, and have lost alot of time. Can i still try to get laid / and or have a relationship with a woman? Im really trying to make 2017 THE YEAR!!! I could always get the woman with ease, but never keep them, due to my PFS. Some of them were like fantasy women too!!! and while they were very nice at first, but very vein and shallow as hell towards my PFS!

[Cdsnuts]

Thank you. Yeah the physique building part always came quite natural for me. I've never even used creatine or any prohormones either. Just protein powder and a diet. But im willing to try some prohormones if theyll help me beat PFS. As long as i dont lose more hair or anything haha. I will post them in a little bit. I have to write them down on paper first, and then post. Because it was somewhat lengthy and detailed, and i tried posting it twice, and it wouldnt let me.

Ahhh...you're still worried about the hair, huh? The DHT based pro-hormones WILL increase your hair loss. No way around that. That being said though they will no doubt help move your recovery along at an increased rate. I guess that's something you have to decide for yourself. Do you want your dick to work, or nice head of hair?

[K8668B]

Ahhh...you're still worried about the hair, huh? The DHT based pro-hormones WILL increase your hair loss. No way around that. That being said though they will no doubt help move your recovery along at an increased rate. I guess that's something you have to decide for yourself. Do you want your dick to work, or nice head of hair?

hell id rather be a bald fatass and have a dick, instead of being the jacked up pretty boy like i always was, but with only 40% libido. But hopefully i can keep my physique ;)

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What about the rest of the stuff?

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I read that some of the herbs on your list, can even actually regrow your hair!!

[Cdsnuts]

Water fast- This is obviously the first part. Its not a problem for me. So if i get the fast out of the way, right now, would It be a bad thing if i went back to my current diet after the fast for a little bit? Because right now, I dont have the funds for the herbs and the better brands of foods at the moment YET.

And diet of now is this- My main everyday staple- Eggs, peanut butter sandwiches, tuna, lean chicken, body fortress whey protein powder, broccoli and watermelon. I just recently added the broccoli and watermelon about 2 months ago.

Prohormones- are they necessary? heard they can make you lose hair faster. It was never my choice to even take propecia at a young age 16. And idiot parent talked me into it at the time. Now at 30, having been off the drug for 5 years, my hairline is noticeably receding and at the moment, its looking like im gonna have no dick and no hair at the same time! I was talked into propecia because I have 3 brothers from other mothers who are bald, and my father was bald.

And time it takes to recover--- I'm reading that supposedly it takes 2 years to recover. I've already suffered for a decade. Not even fully aware of the fact that i had PFS until 2 months ago. Ive missed out on so much. I used to think that it was just ED. But it was definitely that damn propecia!!! While doing all this stuff to recover, will i still be able to enjoy my life at the same time? Im already getting older, and have lost alot of time. Can i still try to get laid / and or have a relationship with a woman? Im really trying to make 2017 THE YEAR!!! I could always get the woman with ease, but never keep them, due to my PFS. Some of them were like fantasy women too!!! and while they were very nice at first, but very vein and shallow as hell towards my PFS!

When you say water fasting isn't a problem for you, what do you mean? I always suggest doing this at a clinic, but that's going to cost money and time. Water fasting is an intense experience and if you've never done one before it is always a good idea to be in an environment that supports such an endevour. And environment with doctors who are familiar with the process. You're going to want to do AT LEAST seven days. This is easier said then done, especially at home.

Your diet doesn't look that bad, but your sandwiches should be on gluten free bread. If you haven't already, you have to cut out ALL dietary allergens. You also need to add more greens and vegetables. One or two green smoothies a day would suffice in this regards.

Prohormones are not necessary but they certainly speed up the time line of recovery. It's going to effect your hair, so you need to decide how you want to proceed here. Once guys get hit with PFS, they usually stop caring about their hair and just want more then anything to be healthy and functional again.

The timeline of recovery is different for everyone depending on how bad of a state they are currently in. I've had some guys get almost healed in six months, and then others take more time. The other variable here is how strictly they stick to the protocol. If you're in 100% you're going to get there quicker then if you only go at it 75%.

I get that you've lost years of your life....I would say that I've lost about ten years from the time I started propecia to the time I finally considered myself recovered.

Put it this way....if you do nothing, you're going to continue to lose more time being in that hellish state. The sooner you give it your all, the sooner you're going to be living life to the fullest again. You can't do anything about the time you've already lost, but you can do something to stop losing time to PFS. It doesn't matter how long it takes because you don't have any other options! When you go at it full bore you can rest assured knowing that you're doing everything in your power to get well and STOP WASTING your life. Whether this takes six months or two years, it doesn't matter because if you were doing nothing about it you wouldn't be getting anywhere closer to your goal.

On whether or not you can enjoy your life while doing the regimen.....are you enjoying your life now?

You are the only one who can make happiness in your life. The answer to this question is up to you. I don't see why you can't chase women while doing the recovery protocol. Again this is your call. You can chase women now but you really can't do much with them because of this problem. At least while you're healing you're going to be getting closer to eliminating these problems from your life.

Your number one goal right now is to HEAL. You need to do whatever is necessary to achieve that goal. Would you rather continue to live a half assed or "fake" life for the next five or ten years or take the next year off and then be able to chase women SUCCESSFULLY for the rest of your life?

The answer is clear to most guys that have made up their minds to get well.

The way you're asking these question is coming across as if you're actually enjoying your life now. If that was the case there would be no need for all of this work. Right?

Tell me this...what is it about this endevour that makes you think you won't be enjoying your life? Your answer will shed alot of light on your current mindset.

[K8668B]

When you say water fasting isn't a problem for you, what do you mean? I always suggest doing this at a clinic, but that's going to cost money and time. Water fasting is an intense experience and if you've never done one before it is always a good idea to be in an environment that supports such an endevour. And environment with doctors who are familiar with the process. You're going to want to do AT LEAST seven days. This is easier said then done, especially at home.

Your diet doesn't look that bad, but your sandwiches should be on gluten free bread. If you haven't already, you have to cut out ALL dietary allergens. You also need to add more greens and vegetables. One or two green smoothies a day would suffice in this regards.

Prohormones are not necessary but they certainly speed up the time line of recovery. It's going to effect your hair, so you need to decide how you want to proceed here. Once guys get hit with PFS, they usually stop caring about their hair and just want more then anything to be healthy and functional again.

The timeline of recovery is different for everyone depending on how bad of a state they are currently in. I've had some guys get almost healed in six months, and then others take more time. The other variable here is how strictly they stick to the protocol. If you're in 100% you're going to get there quicker then if you only go at it 75%.

I get that you've lost years of your life....I would say that I've lost about ten years from the time I started propecia to the time I finally considered myself recovered.

Put it this way....if you do nothing, you're going to continue to lose more time being in that hellish state. The sooner you give it your all, the sooner you're going to be living life to the fullest again. You can't do anything about the time you've already lost, but you can do something to stop losing time to PFS. It doesn't matter how long it takes because you don't have any other options! When you go at it full bore you can rest assured knowing that you're doing everything in your power to get well and STOP WASTING your life. Whether this takes six months or two years, it doesn't matter because if you were doing nothing about it you wouldn't be getting anywhere closer to your goal.

On whether or not you can enjoy your life while doing the regimen.....are you enjoying your life now?

You are the only one who can make happiness in your life. The answer to this question is up to you. I don't see why you can't chase women while doing the recovery protocol. Again this is your call. You can chase women now but you really can't do much with them because of this problem. At least while you're healing you're going to be getting closer to eliminating these problems from your life.

Your number one goal right now is to HEAL. You need to do whatever is necessary to achieve that goal. Would you rather continue to live a half assed or "fake" life for the next five or ten years or take the next year off and then be able to chase women SUCCESSFULLY for the rest of your life?

The answer is clear to most guys that have made up their minds to get well.

The way you're asking these question is coming across as if you're actually enjoying your life now. If that was the case there would be no need for all of this work. Right?

Tell me this...what is it about this endevour that makes you think you won't be enjoying your life? Your answer will shed alot of light on your current mindset.

Good point. No I am not enjoying life right now. I've even put a halt to chasing women and or trying to find a relationship with one. I have suffered the same fate each and every single time. Holy shit, my last intimate experience with a woman, was in march 2016, and that was the icing on the cake. crazy ass experience. That girl was basically my fantasy woman. It was a wake up call for sure. I still "got the job done", she even saw me 90% hard at one point, but did i do a good job? Fuck no. You cant with PFS. The rest of our experience went downhill after that. Took me 7 months after that incident, to finally get over her. Then 2 months after that, through more trials and tribulations, i finally came to the realization that it was PFS. I've only ever done a good job 100% in the bedroom since having PFS, 2 times. 2 times out of many times. I am just "existing" these days. That is it. But my head is clear though right now. Strangely my depression levels and anxiety levels are nowhere near as bad as theyve been in the past, because i am not all heartbroken over some woman, or some failed sexual experience. My head is clearer than its ever been

Honestly, im really not enjoying life right now. I guess when you think of it, doing this regimen couldnt make my life any worse, or enjoy my life any less than i currently am. Because right now, after everything, im just basically sitting here idle and simply just "existing". i am not actually "living.

And the water fast, im all for it. I understand that it needs to be done at a therapeutic center. Trust me, i am not afraid of this.

[K8668B]

I've gone periods in my life, where i did not drink alcohol for 8 months, and solely just sat idle, and trained in the gym, got in shape, and saved money. Then again, little did i know, that this whole isolation thing was possibly due to my PFS. But regardless, i am no stranger to isolation and doing what needs to be done to change. I've actually done it before.

[Cdsnuts]

Good point. No I am not enjoying life right now. I've even put a halt to chasing women and or trying to find a relationship with one. I have suffered the same fate each and every single time. Holy shit, my last intimate experience with a woman, was in march 2016, and that was the icing on the cake. crazy ass experience. That girl was basically my fantasy woman. It was a wake up call for sure. I still "got the job done", she even saw me 95% hard at one point, but did i do a good job? Fuck no. You cant with PFS. The rest of our experience went downhill after that. Took me 7 months after that incident, to finally get over her. Then 2 months after that, through more trials and tribulations, i finally came to the realization that it was PFS. I am just "existing" these days. That is it. But my head is clear though right now. Strangely my depression levels and anxiety levels are nowhere near as bad as theyve been in the past, because i am not all heartbroken over some woman, or some failed sexual experience. My head is clearer than its ever been

And the water fast, im all for it. I understand that it needs to be done at a therapeutic center. Trust me, i am not afraid of this.
I said that about the water fast because you had mentioned that you don't have the funds to buy herbs or clean food.... the water fast is quite expensive.

I wasn't saying it to question your commitment.

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[Cdsnuts]

I've gone periods in my life, where i did not drink alcohol for 8 months, and solely just sat idle, and trained in the gym, got in shape, and saved money. Then again, little did i know, that this whole isolation thing was possibly due to my PFS. But regardless, i am no stranger to isolation and doing what needs to be done to change. I've actually done it before.
Good... Because abstinence from alcohol is an absolute must during this period.

Just know that when all is said and done you will be able to drink again one day ... just not today


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[K8668B]

Well the funds will come. The water fast is a definite first then. I'll have the funds soon, but just not this second. May take a few weeks. I've probably spent a shitload of money already trying to fight this disease over the decade. Primary care physicians, urologists, sex therapists, things at the vitamin shoppe. viagra or cialis didnt even work. Because this is not just "ed", this is post finasteride syndrome! The only thing that ever worked for me was prolab horny goat weed. and a certain kind of magnesium. had good results, but not to the level of pre-pfs. but that pro lab horny goat weed showed me that there was a light at the end of the tunnell.

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It's good to know that i will be able to enjoy alcohol again someday. It is actually at that point, that then i would actually have a legitimate reason to drink and "celebrate" ;) ;)

[Cdsnuts]

Well the funds will come. The water fast is a definite first then. I'll have the funds soon, but just not this second. May take a few weeks. I've probably spent a shitload of money already trying to fight this disease over the decade. Primary care physicians, urologists, sex therapists, things at the vitamin shoppe. viagra or cialis didnt even work. Because this is not just "ed", this is post finasteride syndrome! The only thing that ever worked for me was prolab horny goat weed. and a certain kind of magnesium. had good results, but not to the level of pre-pfs. but that pro lab horny goat weed showed me that there was a light at the end of the tunnell.

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It's good to know that i will be able to enjoy alcohol again someday. It is actually at that point, that then i would actually have a legitimate reason to drink and "celebrate" ;) ;)
The herbs are powerful medicine no doubt. Just imagine your results when you cycle 21 of them....

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[K8668B]

The herbs are powerful medicine no doubt. Just imagine your results when you cycle 21 of them....

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I can imagine! I looked them up on your TMO link. They looked so powerful and godlike. I seriously want to get my hands on them. I'm like a kid in a candy store when it comes to these herbs.

[K8668B]

When you say water fasting isn't a problem for you, what do you mean? I always suggest doing this at a clinic, but that's going to cost money and time. Water fasting is an intense experience and if you've never done one before it is always a good idea to be in an environment that supports such an endevour. And environment with doctors who are familiar with the process. You're going to want to do AT LEAST seven days. This is easier said then done, especially at home.

Your diet doesn't look that bad, but your sandwiches should be on gluten free bread. If you haven't already, you have to cut out ALL dietary allergens. You also need to add more greens and vegetables. One or two green smoothies a day would suffice in this regards.

Prohormones are not necessary but they certainly speed up the time line of recovery. It's going to effect your hair, so you need to decide how you want to proceed here. Once guys get hit with PFS, they usually stop caring about their hair and just want more then anything to be healthy and functional again.

The timeline of recovery is different for everyone depending on how bad of a state they are currently in. I've had some guys get almost healed in six months, and then others take more time. The other variable here is how strictly they stick to the protocol. If you're in 100% you're going to get there quicker then if you only go at it 75%.

I get that you've lost years of your life....I would say that I've lost about ten years from the time I started propecia to the time I finally considered myself recovered.

Put it this way....if you do nothing, you're going to continue to lose more time being in that hellish state. The sooner you give it your all, the sooner you're going to be living life to the fullest again. You can't do anything about the time you've already lost, but you can do something to stop losing time to PFS. It doesn't matter how long it takes because you don't have any other options! When you go at it full bore you can rest assured knowing that you're doing everything in your power to get well and STOP WASTING your life. Whether this takes six months or two years, it doesn't matter because if you were doing nothing about it you wouldn't be getting anywhere closer to your goal.

On whether or not you can enjoy your life while doing the regimen.....are you enjoying your life now?

You are the only one who can make happiness in your life. The answer to this question is up to you. I don't see why you can't chase women while doing the recovery protocol. Again this is your call. You can chase women now but you really can't do much with them because of this problem. At least while you're healing you're going to be getting closer to eliminating these problems from your life.

Your number one goal right now is to HEAL. You need to do whatever is necessary to achieve that goal. Would you rather continue to live a half assed or "fake" life for the next five or ten years or take the next year off and then be able to chase women SUCCESSFULLY for the rest of your life?

The answer is clear to most guys that have made up their minds to get well.

The way you're asking these question is coming across as if you're actually enjoying your life now. If that was the case there would be no need for all of this work. Right?

Tell me this...what is it about this endevour that makes you think you won't be enjoying your life? Your answer will shed alot of light on your current mindset.


About the water testing centers-

When i DO goto one of these places, should i mention PFS? Or will they just think I am crazy and retarded?

[Cdsnuts]

About the water testing centers-

When i DO goto one of these places, should i mention PFS? Or will they just think I am crazy and retarded?

I personally didn't, but there have been others that have gone after me, they may have. Maybe they can chime in here.

Regardless, it doesn't matter what they think. You can just tell them others have taken this same path and it's helped there condition so you are there do to the same.

[Swill]

I personally didn't, but there have been others that have gone after me, they may have. Maybe they can chime in here.

Regardless, it doesn't matter what they think. You can just tell them others have taken this same path and it's helped there condition so you are there do to the same.

I visited the same facility that CD went to for a couple of his fasts in California... I made them aware that I was going there in relation to issues post finasteride. They informed me that they were aware of finasteride issues, and they are aware that numerous other people had attended the facility in relation to this before me.

As a qualifier, he informed me that fasting is not a 'cure' for PFS but he could see how a medically supervised fast could benefit someone who has had such issues.

Also, they tend to preach a vegan SOS free (salt-oil-sugar) diet and lifestyle, and are very militant on their thoughts on eating meat... just know to take this with a pinch of salt and use the facility for the intended purpose - the cleanse.

But dont by any means worry about any preconceptions or worries about PFS, you will certainly not be made to feel silly in the way some conventional doctors may make you feel. A lot of the work these places do involves cleaning up the messes of society and modern medicine.

[Cdsnuts]

I visited the same facility that CD went to for a couple of his fasts in California... I made them aware that I was going there in relation to issues post finasteride. They informed me that they were aware of finasteride issues, and they are aware that numerous other people had attended the facility in relation to this before me.

As a qualifier, he informed me that fasting is not a 'cure' for PFS but he could see how a medically supervised fast could benefit someone who has had such issues.

Also, they tend to preach a vegan SOS free (salt-oil-sugar) diet and lifestyle, and are very militant on their thoughts on eating meat... just know to take this with a pinch of salt and use the facility for the intended purpose - the cleanse.

But dont by any means worry about any preconceptions or worries about PFS, you will certainly not be made to feel silly in the way some conventional doctors may make you feel. A lot of the work these places do involves cleaning up the messes of society and modern medicine.

Exactly.

The fasting in and of itself is not a "cure." It simply puts the body in the MOST receptive state for positive change by getting rid of all of the metabolic and artificial waste that is obstructing your system from being as efficient as it can be.

By building upon this clean system everything you do afterwords will go alot further in getting you to your destination.

And obviously I don't agree with their dietary recommendations, but as Swill said, use it for what's it's for, that is a safe place to do a medically supervised water fast.

[K8668B]

I visited the same facility that CD went to for a couple of his fasts in California... I made them aware that I was going there in relation to issues post finasteride. They informed me that they were aware of finasteride issues, and they are aware that numerous other people had attended the facility in relation to this before me.

As a qualifier, he informed me that fasting is not a 'cure' for PFS but he could see how a medically supervised fast could benefit someone who has had such issues.

Also, they tend to preach a vegan SOS free (salt-oil-sugar) diet and lifestyle, and are very militant on their thoughts on eating meat... just know to take this with a pinch of salt and use the facility for the intended purpose - the cleanse.

But dont by any means worry about any preconceptions or worries about PFS, you will certainly not be made to feel silly in the way some conventional doctors may make you feel. A lot of the work these places do involves cleaning up the messes of society and modern medicine.

Thats good to know. Good to know that if i did mention post finasteride, they would be somewhat understanding. Im the type of dude that whenever I went to a doctor, etc, i would always spill my soul out, and be so passionate about seeking help, only to get somewhat given the "stank-eye", (not literally), and that feeling always agitated the shit out of me. I know the fasting isnt the cure, but i can absolutely see how its tied in. I've walked a long road, these feet are tired at 30 years old ;) but still got alot left. Tired but hungry! ;)

[Cdsnuts]

That's good, because you gotta be hungry to make it through to the other side. Too many guys simply just can't take it.

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[K8668B]

That's good, because you gotta be hungry to make it through to the other side. Too many guys simply just can't take it.

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Propecia side effects/pfs is a tough thing to cure/fix. It makes sense that the requirements to do so would be what they are. It's even making more sense to me now than it was 3 days ago!!

[K8668B]

I seem to have hit a roadblock. I have a little amount of cash saved, but even with the amount I have, its still nowhere near enough to goto a water fasting center. They seem to range from $1000-$2000. I have done alot of research in the last few days, and I can only seem to find two water fasting centers at the moment. One of them is TrueNorth, which is where some of the guys on the forum went to. I believe it was in Northern California, or Washington. I forget. The other is in South Florida, in the Fort. Lauderdale area. This one would be more ideal for me, since I live in North Florida. But these prices are ridiculous. I really believe that water fasting would be ideal too. But I can nowhere near afford this. How does juice fasting work?

[DrivenToRecover]

I seem to have hit a roadblock. I have a little amount of cash saved, but even with the amount I have, its still nowhere near enough to goto a water fasting center. They seem to range from $1000-$2000. I have done alot of research in the last few days, and I can only seem to find two water fasting centers at the moment. One of them is TrueNorth, which is where some of the guys on the forum went to. I believe it was in Northern California, or Washington. I forget. The other is in South Florida, in the Fort. Lauderdale area. This one would be more ideal for me, since I live in North Florida. But these prices are ridiculous. I really believe that water fasting would be ideal too. But I can nowhere near afford this. How does juice fasting work?
Juice Feasting Total Male Optimization (http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/the-journey/juice-feasting/)

[K8668B]

Juice Feasting Total Male Optimization (http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/the-journey/juice-feasting/)

Oh damn! Right on! I have that same exact TMO link that CD gave me. Bookmarked and everything. Even read it word for word. But i forget things sometimes, haha. Thanks man.

[K8668B]

The K-tech huh? That fucker costs $499!!! That's like 2/3 of my rent for godsakes! lol. I have a cheap blender already, but im sure its not the type to get the job done for this particular operation. I don't see why one couldnt get a blender that can do the same exact thing, and not have to spend more than $100 TOPS. Some of these prices on this page are crazy!

[DrivenToRecover]

FWIW I found a used k-tech for $120 online.

When you hear the thing you'll understand how much more powerful it is than a normal blender lol


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[K8668B]

Oh haha right on. $120 is alot more reasonable!

[K8668B]

I got a sweet little tax return that just came back. But i wasnt gonna spend it on a $499 blender. With what i have now, i could easily acquire a good number of the herbs/test boosters on the list, and even some androhard. But id be pissed at myself for dropping $500 on a blender lol.

I was saving up for some other things in life, but honestly, i have no choice.. im just gonna use it towards my battle against PFS. I've accepted it now. That was my dilemma for the entire day too. But I feel better now that I've come to a conclusion. The money will always be there in the future.

[DrivenToRecover]

Oh haha right on. $120 is alot more reasonable!

I was skeptical about buying an expensive blender as well, but it is worth it.

The k-tech has a pretty crazy whirlpool like effect that allows you to keep putting produce in the top, and it gets sucked to the bottom. That and the high power of the thing are really what you're paying for.

I've made quarts of juice in around 5 minutes in a pinch. If you know anything about juicing... you can't beat that.

[K8668B]

I was skeptical about buying an expensive blender as well, but it is worth it.

The k-tech has a pretty crazy whirlpool like effect that allows you to keep putting produce in the top, and it gets sucked to the bottom. That and the high power of the thing are really what you're paying for.

I've made quarts of juice in around 5 minutes in a pinch. If you know anything about juicing... you can't beat that.

That sounds awesome actually.

[Cdsnuts]

That sounds awesome actually.

I recommend the K-tech by blendtech because it's what I use. Nothing more, nothing less. That, and it's one bad ass blender. I'm completely satisfied with my purchase.

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[K8668B]

I recommend the K-tech by blendtech because it's what I use. Nothing more, nothing less. That, and it's one bad ass blender. I'm completely satisfied with my purchase.

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It DOES look bad ass. Crushed an I-phone with ease! Omg lol. (the guy in the video was cheesy as hell though. lmao) I need to look for a used one though. Some of those blenders on that page were from $300-$1500. Or look in person in stores.

[Cdsnuts]

It DOES look bad ass. Crushed an I-phone with ease! Omg lol. (the guy in the video was cheesy as hell though. lmao) I need to look for a used one though. Some of those blenders on that page were from $300-$1500. Or look in person in stores.
I understand for a lot of people that's a lot of money to spend on a kitchen appliance. That being said I only feel comfortable recommending things that I have personal experience with. You may also want to look at a blender by Vitamix which is in the same class of machine as the K Tech.

And yeah, no doubt the guy in the video is a total cheese ball. But if you scroll through the videos on that site it really gives you an idea as to the power behind the machine

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[K8668B]

I'm the same exact way... i wouldnt recommend something unless i have personal experience with it. In your case, it turned out to be an extremely good investment. Would be for me also, but then id have almost nothing left after i get it. (at the moment). But im gonna get a good one regardless. Headed out the door right now as we speak.

Also, i know this sounds bad, but im a former cigarette smoker. Was always athletic, and even stayed in good shape physique wise. It seemed to never affect my physique. I'm not a pro bodybuilder who competes on stage, but rather just a regular gym goer who always knew what he was doing, and in hella shape. Got around a certain crowd in my early 20s, during the party days/phase, and picked up smoking at 23. Stopped smoking 6 months ago, and now i just Vape. Would it be bad to vape during my juice feast? I've gone 8 hour shifts at work, many times, without a single cigarette.

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I had the PFS sexual sides even before smoking. After smoking, its no difference. But smoking is obviously bad in other health aspects.

[K8668B]

I was reading maxout777's thread last night. You guys are some tall people lol. I'm 5'11", and when im in peak condition, i always hovered around 175lbs. But my 175 always looked more like 190-200ish. Right now im only about 170. But 5 lbs of lean muscle, can make a shitload difference in appearance.

Eventually when i cycle andro R into the protocol, i want to see if it will get me up to 180-190

[Cdsnuts]

It has to be powerful enough to break down the greens ... your typical run-of-the-mill blender isn't going to cut it so you have to go with something more powerful

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[K8668B]

Right on!

[Maxout777]

I understand for a lot of people that's a lot of money to spend on a kitchen appliance. That being said I only feel comfortable recommending things that I have personal experience with. You may also want to look at a blender by Vitamix which is in the same class of machine as the K Tech.

And yeah, no doubt the guy in the video the total cheese ball. But if you scroll through the videos on that site it really gives you an idea as to the power behind the machine

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Just to add on to this, I have a Vitamix. Love that thing and has been worth every penny, long before I even knew what PFS was. You can find a few on eBay for a decent price.

[Cdsnuts]

I'm the same exact way... i wouldnt recommend something unless i have personal experience with it. In your case, it turned out to be an extremely good investment. Would be for me also, but then id have almost nothing left after i get it. (at the moment). But im gonna get a good one regardless. Headed out the door right now as we speak.

Also, i know this sounds bad, but im a former cigarette smoker. Was always athletic, and even stayed in good shape physique wise. It seemed to never affect my physique. I'm not a pro bodybuilder who competes on stage, but rather just a regular gym goer who always knew what he was doing, and in hella shape. Got around a certain crowd in my early 20s, during the party days/phase, and picked up smoking at 23. Stopped smoking 6 months ago, and now i just Vape. Would it be bad to vape during my juice feast? I've gone 8 hour shifts at work, many times, without a single cigarette.

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I had the PFS sexual sides even before smoking. After smoking, its no difference. But smoking is obviously bad in other health aspects.
Obviously not smoking or vaping would be best but I can't see how it would do any EXTRA damage to you.

Sometimes I wonder about vaping. I honestly think it's probably better to just smoke dried plant material then it is to smoke man-made chemicals. The clouds people make when they exhale a pull off of a vape shows you how concentrated the material is that you're taking into your lungs.... can't be good for you.

Aside from that, congratulations on quitting the cigs. I smoked from age 15-30. I always stayed in shape despite my habit. I quit when I realized I had PFS and starting going through my cleansing phase. Never looked back.

On occasion now, if I'm getting banged up, and depending on the crowd I'm with, I'll pack a lip. Goes right to my head....lol

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[Cdsnuts]

Just to add on to this, I have a Vitamix. Love that thing and has been worth every penny, long before I even knew what PFS was. You can find a few on eBay for a decent price.

They really are worth every penny, expensive as they may be. But then again, most things worth anything are. You get what you pay for.

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[Cdsnuts]

The K-tech huh? That fucker costs $499!!! That's like 2/3 of my rent for godsakes! lol. I have a cheap blender already, but im sure its not the type to get the job done for this particular operation. I don't see why one couldnt get a blender that can do the same exact thing, and not have to spend more than $100 TOPS. Some of these prices on this page are crazy!

And....where do you live where rent is only $750?? That's a steal!

[K8668B]

And....where do you live where rent is only $750?? That's a steal!

North Florida, near the Daytona Beach/Saint Augustine area. It is quite a steal indeed. Im originally from Massachusetts, where it is expensive as hell!! The northeast region of the USA is one of the most expensive when it comes to cost of living. Jobs up there pay a little bit more, but the cost of living is outrageous. IMO, if you were to even everything out, id say Florida, other parts of the south, and some of the midwest, overall is more of a better option financially.

[K8668B]

Obviously not smoking or vaping would be best but I can't see how it would do any EXTRA damage to you.

Sometimes I wonder about vaping. I honestly think it's probably better to just smoke dried plant material then it is to smoke man-made chemicals. The clouds people make when they exhale a pull off of a vape shows you how concentrated the material is that you're taking into your lungs.... can't be good for you.

Aside from that, congratulations on quitting the cigs. I smoked from age 15-30. I always stayed in shape despite my habit. I quit when I realized I had PFS and starting going through my cleansing phase. Never looked back.

On occasion now, if I'm getting banged up, and depending on the crowd I'm with, I'll pack a lip. Goes right to my head....lol

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Same, when i get around friends of mine that smoke, i tend to want one too. Trying to get off of the vape even too. Agreed about vaping... the only advantage to vaping is that its cheaper, and it doesnt make your clothes stink. I was always the only gym-goer, and with my own special diet over the years since age 22 that i called my "athletes diet", where all of the people i hang around with are non-gym people and just eat whatever. It's tough when 85% of society just doesnt understand the importance of a clean diet and exercise.

[K8668B]

I guess im one of the luckier ones.... from propecia, i honestly only got the sexual sides, and the non- 24 sleep disorder. A mild case of non-24. But some people have it extremely bad. I wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy.

[Maxout777]

On the topic of nicotine and recovery, I've packed lips more than a few times during my recovery and it hasn't killed any of my progress. Although I do my best to abstain from it because I know it's generally not good for me. I've done it since I was 13....So yeah, it's probably time for me to quit lol. 14 years later.....

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[K8668B]

Well that's good to know, so i wont get all paranoid about it. But yes, its better to try to avoid, if possible.

[K8668B]

I know ive been really slow to get started, but yesterday I finally got a blender. I got the Ninja, nutra ninja. Or whatever the f*ck its called. 1000watts. $119 at walmart. Havent opened it yet. Hope it gets the job done. It looked pretty good to me. I will start my juice feast on tuesday. I have some personal business to attend to on Monday. Then after that, its full force into this battle. This protocol is seriously clicking with me. I just naturally grasp it now. I can't believe at one time (1.5 years ago), that it didnt make sense to me. Wow alot has changed. Will update later.

[Cdsnuts]

I know ive been really slow to get started, but yesterday I finally got a blender. I got the Ninja, nutra ninja. Or whatever the f*ck its called. 1000watts. $119 at walmart. Havent opened it yet. Hope it gets the job done. It looked pretty good to me. I will start my juice feast on tuesday. I have some personal business to attend to on Monday. Then after that, its full force into this battle. This protocol is seriously clicking with me. I just naturally grasp it now. I can't believe at one time (1.5 years ago), that it didnt make sense to me. Wow alot has changed. Will update later.

It happens. It really depends on where you're mind is at when you stumble upon it.

You have to understand alot of things for this approach to make sense you.

If people aren't there mentally, it's just going to seem like a bunch of bullshit because they don't understand how doing these things will work. Especially if they are in the pharmaceutical mindset.

[K8668B]

And so the battle finally begins! 7:55pm, i just finished my first juice smoothie. It was delicious. Gave me a temporary huge boost of energy. I will be doing this for 7 days. I'm obviously allowed to drink water too, right? I would assume. Just curious.

[Cdsnuts]

And so the battle finally begins! 7:55pm, i just finished my first juice smoothie. It was delicious. Gave me a temporary huge boost of energy. I will be doing this for 7 days. I'm obviously allowed to drink water too, right? I would assume. Just curious.

Smoothie?

It's a juice feast my man. Did you just mis-speak here?

And yes, make sure you drink plenty of water.

[K8668B]

Yes, i mis-spoke lol. I just accidentally called it a smoothie. But i created it, and blended it and with the fruits and vegetables on the list.

My first drink came out too thick and slushy-like. I took barely two sips. Then, i poured that into my older, cheap blender, added a tiny bit of water, and then it came out perfect.

And good on the water.

I am currently on a nocturnal sleep end too, i might add, as i write this.

[Cdsnuts]

Yes, i mis-spoke lol. I just accidentally called it a smoothie. But i created it, and blended it and with the fruits and vegetables on the list.

My first drink came out too thick and slushy-like. I took barely two sips. Then, i poured that into my older, cheap blender, added a tiny bit of water, and then it came out perfect.

And good on the water.

I am currently on a nocturnal sleep end too, i might add, as i write this.

???

That's still a smoothie

You have to strain it to make it juice.....

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[K8668B]

So i gotta run back out and grab the nutmilk bag? I mean my drink did finally come out very thin and water-like.

Did i just cheat for the day basically? I didnt purposely mean to do it like this. I've never juice feasted/fasted before, or ever even used such a powerful blender. This is my first time ever doing this. So i gotta start all over tomorrow?


i see... so yeah the nutmilk bag is very necessary. just watched some youtube videos. thats how you get the juice basically. i was nowhere near juice, and it was still basically a smoothie like you said. The nutmilk bag is what gets rid of the pulp.

[Cdsnuts]

So i gotta run back out and grab the nutmilk bag? I mean my drink did finally come out very thin and water-like.

Did i just cheat for the day basically? I didnt purposely mean to do it like this. I've never juice feasted/fasted before, or ever even used such a powerful blender. This is my first time ever doing this. So i gotta start all over tomorrow?


i see... so yeah the nutmilk bag is very necessary. just watched some youtube videos. thats how you get the juice basically. i was nowhere near juice, and it was still basically a smoothie like you said. The nutmilk bag is what gets rid of the pulp.

You said you read "every word" on that site....lol. Caught you.....

No...you didn't cheat. But are you just having your first one now, at night? That's not even a whole day.

You will still detox by drinking smoothies, but that's a different type of cleanse. That's a....well...smoothie cleanse. There are people that have done months on green smoothies alone. Tons of ways to detox and get clean.

You want to use juice so you give your digestion a break. That's a step right before going all out and doing a water fast. You want to minimize digestion as much as possible.

I thought the page was pretty clear. If not, let me know, because then I have to make some changes. I want it to be as easy to understand as possible, especially to people that have never attempted it before.

[K8668B]

You said you read "every word" on that site....lol. Caught you.....

No...you didn't cheat. But are you just having your first one now, at night? That's not even a whole day.

You will still detox by drinking smoothies, but that's a different type of cleanse. That's a....well...smoothie cleanse. There are people that have done months on green smoothies alone. Tons of ways to detox and get clean.

You want to use juice so you give your digestion a break. That's a step right before going all out and doing a water fast. You want to minimize digestion as much as possible.

I thought the page was pretty clear. If not, let me know, because then I have to make some changes. I want it to be as easy to understand as possible, especially to people that have never attempted it before.

Hahaha. Actually, i did read about the nutmilk bag before. And yeah that was my first drink. The page is clear and easy to understand... i just was lazy on purchasing the nutmilk bag. Didn't feel like purchasing it at the time. I didnt think i would need it to get the juice right, but now i totally see! Technical things like this are funny for me sometimes... because i've always been more of a visual learner/hands on. Headed out to grab one right now.

[Cdsnuts]

Hahaha. Actually, i did read about the nutmilk bag before. And yeah that was my first drink. The page is clear and easy to understand... i just was lazy on purchasing the nutmilk bag. Didn't feel like purchasing it at the time. I didnt think i would need it to get the juice right, but now i totally see! Technical things like this are funny for me sometimes... because i've always been more of a visual learner/hands on. Headed out to grab one right now.
I think it's great that you have a store by you that you can just run out and grab a nut milk bag....

I got nothing like that by me.

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[K8668B]

I think it's great that you have a store by you that you can just run out and grab a nut milk bag....

I got nothing like that by me.

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Well apparently i dont. Just checked walmart. Gonna check cvs, if not, then im gonna have to purchase them online, in your link. I live in Florida, so certain stores like walmart and cvs are open 24/7. Or wait till the Am until the better supermakets around here like publix and winn-dixie are open. Is a nut milk bag such a "rarity" of an item that it can't be found in stores, and can only be purchased online?

Man this is frustrating the crap out of me... im gonna have to re-start my juice feast on a later day. I hate when little minor "technicalities" like this ruin my fucking plans. All over a nutmilk bag. I just dropped $108 the other day on a weeks worth of fruits vegetables. My refrigerator is loaded. Can barely even fit anything else in there. By the time i get this stupid nutmilk bag, all the fruits and veggies in my refrigerator will probably have gone bad.

This PFS battle is just turning into a financial nightmare. The protocol doesnt seem difficult or foreign to me, (im actually excited about it, and im familiar with alot of it since ive been doing a % of it my whole life technically. so its second nature to me). But the financial aspect of things are pissing me off. I really want to be able to get at least 7 of the herbs to start off with while i can.

Gonna finish off the day with smoothie juicing, and then restart tomorrow hopefully after I find a nutmilk bag. This nutmilk bag is making me a NUT! ;)

[Cdsnuts]

Well apparently i dont. Just checked walmart. Gonna check cvs, if not, then im gonna have to purchase them online, in your link. I live in Florida, so certain stores like walmart and cvs are open 24/7. Or wait till the Am until the better supermakets around here like publix and winn-dixie are open. Is a nut milk bag such a "rarity" of an item that it can't be found in stores, and can only be purchased online?

Man this is frustrating the crap out of me... im gonna have to re-start my juice feast on a later day. I hate when little minor "technicalities" like this ruin my fucking plans. All over a nutmilk bag. I just dropped $108 the other day on a weeks worth of fruits vegetables. My refrigerator is loaded. Can barely even fit anything else in there. By the time i get this stupid nutmilk bag, all the fruits and veggies in my refrigerator will probably have gone bad.

This PFS battle is just turning into a financial nightmare. The protocol doesnt seem difficult or foreign to me, (im actually excited about it, and im familiar with alot of it since ive been doing a % of it my whole life technically. so its second nature to me). But the financial aspect of things are pissing me off. I really want to be able to get at least 7 of the herbs to start off with while i can.

Gonna finish off the day with smoothie juicing, and then restart tomorrow hopefully after I find a nutmilk bag. This nutmilk bag is making me a NUT! ;)

It's not something that most stores carry, no. That's why I include a link to it on my site. Your best bet, aside from my site, is getting it from a natural health food store, something that caters to the health conscious type.

I still find it humorous (I know it's not to you) that you thought you could "juice" without the bag? I mean what did you think was going to happen to all the plant material?

[K8668B]

I don't know what the hell I was thinking. I guess i just wanted to get the main items/bigger items, and just jump in and do it .

Now my fruits and veggies are all gonna go bad by the time my "nut milk bags" come in the mail. And im trying to save that extra cash for the herbs. Ive checked everywhere except for the health food places.

Even though you DO conveniently include all the links to literally every item needed for the protocol, i just figured something like a nutmilk bag would be easy to find in store. Like trash bags, ziploc bags, etc. Miscellaneous random things like that. I can understand purchasing the herbs online from your links, because those are rarer quality products, and with powerful herbs like those, i can imagine you would want to get a good brand, or the exact brand you listed, because you can easily buy a shitty brand of a herb and have it not work.

[K8668B]

Booyah!!!!

Got a nutmilk bag. Had to drive 20 miles to get it at this special whole foods store. But its worth it!! I will start all over tonight!

[Cdsnuts]

Booyah!!!!

Got a nutmilk bag. Had to drive 20 miles to get it at this special whole foods store. But its worth it!! I will start all over tonight!
I find it funny that you start at night....why is that?

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[road to recover]

I just finished a seven day juice feast....

....and I never used a nut milk bag either, so it was effectively a smoothie feast I am now discovering. Great.

[Cdsnuts]

I just finished a seven day juice feast....

....and I never used a nut milk bag either, so it was effectively a smoothie feast I am now discovering. Great.

Did you read the juice feasting page?? It's all laid out, step by step. There will be pictures soon, which will make things a bit easier I suppose.

Plus...4-6 quarts of smoothie is ALOT of material to ingest....lol. You must have been bloated as all hell. Not to mention those recipes are for JUICES, not smoothies. I imagine some of them must have been horrible.....lol.

With all that pulp your digestive system was working overtime. It's still a lighter load then most food, just volume wise it's alot to process.

When done as directed the juices are all pretty good. In the form of a smoothie....not so much.

[road to recover]

I did read it all, but it wasn't apparent what purpose a nut milk bag served if you haven't heard of that before, beyond just storing the juice. I didn't know it thinned it out to juice from the pulp.

Lol, I did end up cheating somewhat and doing 2.5 litres per day instead of 4. Makes sense what you are saying as any more than that and I thought I would burst, and since I have abdominal fat post fin I thought it have just been my reaction not a general one. I was wondering why I didn't seem to lose any weight after the first couple of days.

I might try a three day water fast soon to remedy any shortcomings this might have left me in preparation to get into the regimen.

[Cdsnuts]

I did read it all, but it wasn't apparent what purpose a nut milk bag served if you haven't heard of that before, beyond just storing the juice. I didn't know it thinned it out to juice from the pulp.

Lol, I did end up cheating somewhat and doing 2.5 litres per day instead of 4. Makes sense what you are saying as any more than that and I thought I would burst, and since I have abdominal fat post fin I thought it have just been my reaction not a general one. I was wondering why I didn't seem to lose any weight after the first couple of days.

I might try a three day water fast soon to remedy any shortcomings this might have left me in preparation to get into the regimen.

This is from the site:

"Once the whole blender is full and blended with all of your ingredients, get yourself a nutmilk bag and some type of container. Pour the contents of the blender into the nutmilk bag while your holding it over the bucket. Tie off the bag, and start squeezing."

I want to gauge if this is clear enough or not.....apparently for a few of you, it's not, which means that it may not be for others as well.

I think once I put pictures up, it will be VERY clear.

Anyone else want to chime in here??

[K8668B]

Bam! Just finished my first drink! Thin as water and very green. The nutmilk bag is VERY important. It works and is very necessary. It squeezed all the water out, and left all the chunk in the bag. I don't think ive ever drank anything healthier! It was awesome. A reusable big one for $12.50. Guys, make sure you don't make the same mistake i did- make sure you order nutmilk bag online FIRST, before you go out and grab your fruits and veggies. Luckily, i was able to find one at the healthfood store, 20 miles away, so my veggies didnt go bad. But they are kinda rare, i would just order them on CDs link. I will be doing this for 7 days. So TODAY, the journey has officially begun. Yesterday was just some random bs. lol.

I feel good. Gonna do some stretches too.

[Cdsnuts]

Bam! Just finished my first drink! Thin as water and very green. The nutmilk bag is VERY important. It works and is very necessary. It squeezed all the water out, and left all the chunk in the bag. I don't think ive ever drank anything healthier! It was awesome. A reusable big one for $12.50. Guys, make sure you don't make the same mistake i did- make sure you order nutmilk bag online FIRST, before you go out and grab your fruits and veggies. Luckily, i was able to find one at the healthfood store, 20 miles away, so my veggies didnt go bad. But they are kinda rare, i would just order them on CDs link. I will be doing this for 7 days. So TODAY, the journey has officially begun. Yesterday was just some random bs. lol.

I feel good. Gonna do some stretches too.
Be sure to vary the juices as well so you don't get bored. Also make sure to include what was listed on the site so that you get your fill of minerals and chlorophyll. Speaking of chlorophyll, you can and should take your chlorella and spirulina during the feast

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[K8668B]

No doubt! I even printed out the juice feast page on your link, and brought it to the supermarket with me. Got a huge variety! My refrigerator, for one week, looks like the entire produce section at the grocery store! haha

[Cdsnuts]

No doubt! I even printed out the juice feast page on your link, and brought it to the supermarket with me. Got a huge variety! My refrigerator, for one week, looks like the entire produce section at the grocery store! haha
And when you look at all of that produce in your refrigerator just think it's all going to be in you over the course of the next week...all of that goodness...

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[K8668B]

Be sure to vary the juices as well so you don't get bored. Also make sure to include what was listed on the site so that you get your fill of minerals and chlorophyll. Speaking of chlorophyll, you can and should take your chlorella and spirulina during the feast

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the chlorophyll in capsule/ pill form which is on your link right? Can i take other things in pill form too during this juice feast for that matter? Ive soley been just drinking the juice from the fruits and veggies, and water up until now. About 9 hours in. Feel fine so far...

I see that it has alot of protein in it. Which would make a juice feast alot easier. how much would i take a day?

Strangely i feel really good, for not having eaten any actual food, for almost a day. This could change. Well see.

[Cdsnuts]

the chlorophyll in capsule/ pill form which is on your link right? Can i take other things in pill form too during this juice feast for that matter? Ive soley been just drinking the juice from the fruits and veggies, and water up until now. About 9 hours in. Feel fine so far...

I see that it has alot of protein in it. Which would make a juice feast alot easier. how much would i take a day?

Strangely i feel really good, for not having eaten any actual food, for almost a day. This could change. Well see.

You want to keep it to those two products as they aid in detox and are loaded with vitamins and minerals.

[K8668B]

Right on!

Strangely my libido has experienced a slight increase! Im in a good mood today. Nothing like pre-pfs, but still good shit. (pre-pfs libido IMO is when you can get a full erection, or almost a full erection, without even having to touch yourself) I was already feeling slightly better in the last few weeks before the juice feast, because my mood has been better in general, just from knowing that one day im finally gonna conquer this.

But i was suprised... i was thinking my dick was gonna turn into a noodle during this fast.. due to the lack of foods and nutrients from the foods. And im staying out of the gym for this week as well. that could change though, but this is where im at as we speak. Gonna run over to vitamin shoppe when they open, to get the chlorella. I cant get the other one at the moment. I've already had 3 quarts since ive been awake. Going for at least 4 quarts

[Cdsnuts]

Right on!

Strangely my libido has experienced a slight increase! Im in a good mood today. Nothing like pre-pfs, but still good shit. (pre-pfs libido IMO is when you can get a full erection, or almost a full erection, without even having to touch yourself) I was already feeling slightly better in the last few weeks before the juice feast, because my mood has been better in general, just from knowing that one day im finally gonna conquer this.

But i was suprised... i was thinking my dick was gonna turn into a noodle during this fast.. due to the lack of foods and nutrients from the foods. And im staying out of the gym for this week as well. that could change though, but this is where im at as we speak. Gonna run over to vitamin shoppe when they open, to get the chlorella. I cant get the other one at the moment. I've already had 3 quarts since ive been awake. Going for at least 4 quarts

READ my man....read.

No working out during a cleanse....lol

[K8668B]

READ my man....read.

No working out during a cleanse....lol

oh no, hahahaha.. i meant my libido could change. hell no, im not hitting the gym during this cleanse. lol

[Cdsnuts]

oh no, hahahaha.. i meant my libido could change. hell no, im not hitting the gym during this cleanse. lol

Okay good....

I obviously read that wrong.

You want to just CHILL during the cleanse. Like you had mentioned, stretch, mobility work, as this is a good time to help release any tension you have in certain muscle groups as inflammation will be very low and trigger point therapy will be VERY effective during this time.

Anything you can do to move lymph fluid will be good as well. Long walks at a normal pace, skin brushing, massage, etc.

And, I know you're on this, but make sure to drink PLENTY of water along with the juices you're consuming.

One of my favorite juices, if you haven't tried it yet, is pineapple strawberry. it's kind of a pain in the ass to make because it gets very frothy when blended and squeezing it through the nut milk bag takes more time then say, the greens, but it is delicious.

Another favorite is watermelon celery. VERY hydrating and very good for electrolyte balance not to mention very easy to juice. It'll be one of the quicker ones you can get through the bag.

[DrivenToRecover]

Maybe add one sentence to the site clarifying that the nut milk bag is for straining?


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[Cdsnuts]

Maybe add one sentence to the site clarifying that the nut milk bag is for straining?


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I was thinking about that, but I really think once I post step by step pictures, it will be much clearer.

[K8668B]

Good ideas. The pineapple strawberry sounds delicious. I also hit up the vitamin shoppe. Got some sunfood super foods brand broken cell wall chlorella tablets, and super algae tablets spirulina&chlorella tablets.

[K8668B]

Day 2 of juice fast.

Went to bed at 1pm and got up at 830pm. Woke up with okay energy, but now im feeling kind of light headed, and my face feels like its flushing. At the moment. This non-24 sleep disorder is really getting me down. Im nocturnal as i do this juice feast/fast. I was talking to a buddy on the phone, technically earlier today, and it just made me feel like shit about myself. Is quite debilitating. Its been going on too long. I just want this healed once and for all.

I can't go on like this anymore, with this non-24 sleep disorder bullshit in my life. its gonna be out of my life forever.

[Master Mal]

Day 2 of juice fast.

Went to bed at 1pm and got up at 830pm. Woke up with okay energy, but now im feeling kind of light headed, and my face feels like its flushing. At the moment. This non-24 sleep disorder is really getting me down. Im nocturnal as i do this juice feast/fast. I was talking to a buddy on the phone, technically earlier today, and it just made me feel like shit about myself. Is quite debilitating. Its been going on too long. I just want this healed once and for all.

I can't go on like this anymore, with this non-24 sleep disorder bullshit in my life. its gonna be out of my life forever.

Hey, if it makes you feel any better my sleep was totally fucked when I got off Fin last year. I'm talking waking up in the middle of the night to panic attacks bad. It's much better now. I still wake up at 7am sharp without an alarm and the sleep isn't quite as deep as I'd like, but I can get a full 7-8 hours of rest through the night. Just stick with it, buddy. Also, try not to look at too many screens. Reading more books actually helped me a lot.

[K8668B]

Hey, if it makes you feel any better my sleep was totally fucked when I got off Fin last year. I'm talking waking up in the middle of the night to panic attacks bad. It's much better now. I still wake up at 7am sharp without an alarm and the sleep isn't quite as deep as I'd like, but I can get a full 7-8 hours of rest through the night. Just stick with it, buddy. Also, try not to look at too many screens. Reading more books actually helped me a lot.


Thanks man. I feel better now actually. Feeling semi decent. Crazy mood swings earlier... the headache and slight nausea and other symptoms went away. Face still feels slightly flushed, but its not too bad. I just read online that these are the typical detox symptoms. They passed. I guess theyll come and go

[K8668B]

End of day 3/day 4ish. (i dont know what the hell day it is anymore, cause of the continuous rotation of the non-24 sleep disorder). Feeling okay, but numb. just taking it easy, doing stretches here and there, and staying relaxed. not a fan of fasting really, i love eating and lifting. ive lost some weight for sure. will update later.

[Cdsnuts]

End of day 3/day 4ish. (i dont know what the hell day it is anymore, cause of the continuous rotation of the non-24 sleep disorder). Feeling okay, but numb. just taking it easy, doing stretches here and there, and staying relaxed. not a fan of fasting really, i love eating and lifting. ive lost some weight for sure. will update later.
Most people don't like fasting as there's really nothing enjoyable about it. It's a means to an end

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[K8668B]

Most people don't like fasting as there's really nothing enjoyable about it. It's a means to an end

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for sure! in the meantime, as always, im constantly doing my research. i was reading on herbs and epigenetic change. (a link you posted. i forget where though). i cant wait for this fast to be over. im really excited for the herbs and andro. i can just feel it.

[Cdsnuts]

for sure! in the meantime, as always, im constantly doing my research. i was reading on herbs and epigenetic change. (a link you posted. i forget where though). i cant wait for this fast to be over. im really excited for the herbs and andro. i can just feel it.
Lol. All in good time. Just don't underestimate the power and importance of a good cleanse.

I find it helps people doing their cleanse to read experiences of other long-term juice feaster's.

You can find plenty online

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[K8668B]

Update on the juice feast

- So im guessing its the end of day 5. Feeling like ass! But im dealing!!

And also, i just purchased 7 of the herbs.

ant extract
cistanche
ashwaganda
butea superba
pine pollen tincture
catuaba bark
cordyceps

So those are my first 7 i will start off with. I was trying to get He Shou Wou, tongkat ali, and organic mucana extract, but they were currently out of stock at lost empire herbs. I hope they restock soon. i put my email on their waiting list.

[Brazilianguy]

My top three are tribulus, tongkat and maca.

I think catuaba gives me a different kind of libido, let's say tribulus give me libido deep inside like everything gets better regarding libido. Catuaba is more like mental libido, just my brain gets more driven to search for girls, it's hard to explain.

Ashwaghanda I heard mixed results, some people don't like it. I never tried though.

[K8668B]

Interesting stuff. You've always said tribulus worked quite well for you. the prolab brand of horny goat weed gave me some decent benefits, with whatever it had in it. And ive also responded quite well to maca too. I still have some of my sunfoods superfoods brand of maca powder left... it gave me a good response libido-wise, but occasionally it upset my stomach.

[Cdsnuts]

Ashwaghanda is one of my favorite herbs, btw. It has a very calm, relaxed alpha feel to it without being too aggressive.

Maca is one of my least favorites.

[K8668B]

Ashwaghanda is one of my favorite herbs, btw. It has a very calm, relaxed alpha feel to it without being too aggressive.

Maca is one of my least favorites.

Yes, i love that calm relaxed alpha feeling!! Whenever ive had that alpha feeling and really agressive at the same time, it always seemed to give me anxiety and mania. not good!

[K8668B]

End of day 5 or 6 of my fast. (idk due to the non 24 sleep disorder, which has naturally shifted back to a normal end as it was naturally headed even before i started my fast. got up at 3am. now im setting my alarm permanently for 3am so i can fight it.)

Feeling numb, but quite optimistic today. It's strange.

[Cdsnuts]

End of day 5 or 6 of my fast. (idk due to the non 24 sleep disorder, which has naturally shifted back to a normal end as it was naturally headed even before i started my fast. got up at 3am. now im setting my alarm permanently for 3am so i can fight it.)

Feeling numb, but quite optimistic today. It's strange.

Can you elaborate on the numb feeling?

[K8668B]

Just tired. Food cravings arent as bad, but still hungry.

[K8668B]

Thanks man I appreciate that! But I made it!! =)

So today, just now, i broke my fast!! I must say this has been an intense but awesome experience.

I'm just glad it's over. I do feel really refreshed now actually. But at the same time, I hate fasting, and i prefer to be in the gym, and on my diet, and getting my calories/macros in. I've never been a huge fasting enthusiast, lol. Just by looking at myself in the mirror, i mustve lost about 10lbs. I don't even want to weigh myself right now lol. I'm a naturally pale white guy, so i hate my classic "pale/skinny" look. its just getting in my head. Time to gain my weight back!

I can however, see the point in fasting though. - Cleanse/refresh/reboot, etc.

On day 1 1/2- or day 2, i seemed to have a decent spike in testosterone, and that felt awesome. Cock was hanging lower than usual that day. Ill admit i kinda got too horny and whacked myself off twice during that day. Couldnt help myself lol. (I gotta get back on a noFAP rhythm. I went 23 days without a few months ago, thinking it was the be all end all cure. While i DID get some good results for that, i got frustrated at the time because it wasnt the "entire" cure. But it did give me some good results though.) But thats what ive naturally learned recently, that the cure is everything all tied in at once. Not a pharma drug (magic pill), or just doing one part of the program. It's everything in conjunction. Makes sense too.

After that spike in testosterone, i noticed the detox symptoms around the next day. I had the runs a few times, and felt sick/light headed. But it passed, and my cravings and hunger werent as bad. But my cock was looking like a noodle, for alot of it, (after the spike). And maybe cause i whacked myself off after it. But thats understandable because thats how it usually is for me... when my body is not getting its normal needed nutrients, and im not hitting the gym, its always done that. Less blood flow.

But i feel good as fuck right now, and im glad its over!!

[Snell1234]

You only went 23 days on no fap. The absolute minimum is 90 days to see real benefits. There also will be a flatline period the deeper you get into it. I'm day 68 currently. Will never do it again in my life. Either sex or wet dreams for me.

[K8668B]

Yeah i don't think its good to refrain from masturbation for THAT LONG. I mean what happens when you finally do have sex with a girl again and cum? Does that end your streak too? Im just gonna go on a once a week, or once every two weeks basis.

[Snell1234]

Apparently sex is different as different hormones are released. But I think it's also important for us early days to not over do that too.

I am not seeking that out at the moment at this point in my recovery so it's wet dreams or nothing for me.

I have a feeling this is a relatively big piece of the puzzle for us.

[K8668B]

Apparently sex is different as different hormones are released. But I think it's also important for us early days to not over do that too.

I am not seeking that out at the moment at this point in my recovery so it's wet dreams or nothing for me.

I have a feeling this is a relatively big piece of the puzzle for us.


I think you're right. Less jacking off is a big piece of the puzzle. It actually contributed to my 70% recovery back in november 2016. Along with Prolab's horny goat weed. However though, I will never say I am 100% until I can get a 100% spontaneous erection without having to touch myself. Whether it be from a sexual visual thought, or looking a picture of a hot woman that you may like or whatnot. I believe it goes, in order from least difficult to achieve to most difficult to achieve- 1- an erection from foreplay with a girl (which i got back in november), 2- an erection from a sexual thought, or looking a picture, 3-an erection from nothing at all, like the wind blowing up against your cock. ALL OF THESE WITH ZERO MANUAL STIMULATION!

[Maxout777]

I think you're right. Less jacking off is a big piece of the puzzle. It actually contributed to my 70% recovery back in november 2016. Along with Prolab's horny goat weed. However though, I will never say I am 100% until I can get a 100% spontaneous erection without having to touch myself. Whether it be from a sexual visual thought, or looking a picture of a hot woman that you may like or whatnot. I believe it goes, in order from least difficult to achieve to most difficult to achieve- 1- an erection from foreplay with a girl (which i got back in november), 2- an erection from a sexual thought, or looking a picture, 3-an erection from nothing at all, like the wind blowing up against your cock. ALL OF THESE WITH ZERO MANUAL STIMULATION!


You'll get that ability back before youre 100%, most likely. I have spontaneous erections from time to time now from all three of those types you described, and I'm not all the way back yet. I'd say 85-90%. If that makes you feel any better.

[K8668B]

You'll get that ability back before youre 100%, most likely. I have spontaneous erections from time to time now from all three of those types you described, and I'm not all the way back yet. I'd say 85-90%. If that makes you feel any better.

That makes me feel good! I liked hearing that. That's where its at. Thats being healed and feeling good!!!! Once again, congrats on your progress Maxout777!

[K8668B]

Well 5 of my 7 herbs just came in today. This was the batch from lost empire herbs! That was quick!! I have black ant, pine pollen tincture, ashwaganda tincture, cistanche, and cordyceps.

I'm still waiting on 2 more, which are catauba bark, and butea superba. those two were from amazon, and theyre being shipped from Europe I believe. But i got the confirmation email today, and it was finally deducted from my debit card, so they should be here soon. i will wait till i have all 7 and then ill begin. each week im going to acquire at least 1 more herb, with each paycheck hopefully! I'm excited!

[Snell1234]

I just put an order in too. I'm in Australia so they will probably take a bit longer to arrive for me. But I'm looking forward to taking the pine pollen (pending that I get the all clear to take it with my asthma).

[K8668B]

I just put an order in too. I'm in Australia so they will probably take a bit longer to arrive for me. But I'm looking forward to taking the pine pollen (pending that I get the all clear to take it with my asthma).

Awesome man!

For me personally, and knowing how i am, i literally feel like the herb cycling and dht based prohormones are going to be the two main things that do it for me. Like that gut feeling. Well, those are simply two things ive never done. I say this because ive been athletic my whole life, and have always had a fairly good diet. Minus gluten and few other things. I've always cheated from time to time too. Everything shall work in conjuction though. I mean there are also alot of things ive never done before this, like cold showers, and some other things. By the way, i love the adrenaline rush from the cold showers!!!

[Cdsnuts]

Awesome man!

For me personally, and knowing how i am, i literally feel like the herb cycling and dht based prohormones are going to be the two main things that do it for me. Like that gut feeling. Well, those are simply two things ive never done. I say this because ive been athletic my whole life, and have always had a fairly good diet. Minus gluten and few other things. I've always cheated from time to time too. Everything shall work in conjuction though. I mean there are also alot of things ive never done before this, like cold showers, and some other things. By the way, i love the adrenaline rush from the cold showers!!!

The herb rotation is going to take you to another level in regards to hormones.

So will the DHT prohormones.

It's ADDICTING!!! Little by little, cycle after cycle, you will gain more and more benefits and your baseline will increase.

Depending how bad you are, this may take months, or years, but it WILL happen. You WILL be cured. And then, the best part, IMO.....keep DOING IT. You'll go further and further ...more then you thought possible. You will end up feeling absolutely unbelievable.

[K8668B]

The herb rotation is going to take you to another level in regards to hormones.

So will the DHT prohormones.

It's ADDICTING!!! Little by little, cycle after cycle, you will gain more and more benefits and your baseline will increase.

Depending how bad you are, this may take months, or years, but it WILL happen. You WILL be cured. And then, the best part, IMO.....keep DOING IT. You'll go further and further ...more then you thought possible. You will end up feeling absolutely unbelievable.

Them cock gains are where its at! Ive already got the physique. But an extra 10lbs of permanent lean muscle also would be sweet too!!! Permanently increase cock baseline, and muscle baseline! I can't wait to go bald. I technically should have been fully bald about 5 or 6 years ago. Get a tan. Wear a bandanna or a do rag. One of those biker bandanas, or maybe a ghetto ass DMX style doo rag. hahahaha. Get the line up- on the goatee and sideburns. Im just gonna embrace it.

[Cdsnuts]

Them cock gains are where its at! Ive already got the physique. But an extra 10lbs of permanent lean muscle also would be sweet too!!! Permanently increase cock baseline, and muscle baseline! I can't wait to go bald. I technically should have been fully bald about 5 or 6 years ago. Get a tan. Wear a bandanna or a do rag. One of those biker bandanas, or maybe a ghetto ass DMX style doo rag. hahahaha. Get the line up- on the goatee and sideburns. Im just gonna embrace it.

Cock gains? Lol.....um....

I will say this.....It is one of THE most liberating feelings for a guy that has been worried about his hair to just shave his fucking head and be done with it.

Then you can run all the DHT prohormones you want and not have a single care in the world. Great feeling.

[K8668B]

I meant erectile/libido gains. Lololol ;)

[Cdsnuts]

I meant erectile/libido gains. Lololol ;)

Lol.

I was thinking you were saying like you were "cock D" That type of thing. Or, I could just be totally showing my age....

[Snell1234]

How highly recommended is the prohormone cycle? Would the herb cycling be good enough for us to recover (along with everything else).

[Cdsnuts]

How highly recommended is the prohormone cycle? Would the herb cycling be good enough for us to recover (along with everything else).
As mentioned in several other threads the protocol is all you need to fully recover given enough time. That being said, proper prohormone use will speed the recovery process up considerably if you can tolerate them.

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[K8668B]

Update- Been back in the gym for roughly 10 days. Already made a shitload of progress. On my usual level. Feeling great at the moment. I would say im already 35%-40% ish. Feeling like i was from october/november 2016.

Been hitting my usual gym routine, and 2x a week doing HIIT sprints. Also taking cold showers and loving them (got up to 60sec of cold water =) ) . The cold showers and sprints are becoming addicting! Hell EVERYTHING has been addicting.

Also got another no fap streak going. Im on day 6. Feeling great. Usually starting around day 4 or day 5, my junk tends to hang lower all day, all the way until day 12 ish. Ill probably whack my shit off after day 14 or day 15. Seems to be my sweet spot.

Been eating paleo and exactly as CD has recommended. And carb backloading most of the time. Some days i cant though due to my work schedule.

Been taking spinurella and chlorella everyday, and vitamin d3 10,000 IU two times a day. Also taking some magnesium calm powder a few times a week. (if i could get my hands on the chewable magnesium citrate from cape cod organic market, that would be ideal. That shit was like viagra for me almost, no lie. but that kind is rare, and it pisses me off. it was so good.) Also have been taking prolab horny goat weed a few times a week. It always helped me.

Looking into taking fish oils again, but i think i had a bad effect from it. However, this was when i was not in the gym, and going through depression, and out of shape (for me), and not on my diet. So i dont know what to think about fish oils yet.

Got 6 out of my 7 herbs already. Just waiting on the butea superba... fuck you amazon... i ordered both the superba and catauba bark at the same time, but theyre saying the fucking superba wont be here till april 6. how fucking inconvienent. Go fuck yourself amazon. Making me wait. Lets get the fucking ball moving already!! I'm already almost 31 years old, and lost over a decade to this shit. And wasted legitimate fantasy women. I want at least 7 to start the rotation with. Funds are low at the moment, but ill be set again in 2 weeks.

Guys, for future reference... when getting your first batch of herbs to START the rotation with, try to just order your first 7 from lost empire herbs. It will take like 3 days for them to arrive, and you will get them all at once too.

Thats about it for now. Will update later. I could be feeling different later, but this is how i am feeling at this very second! =)


Oh and btw... i was talking to maxout777 about black coffee. I cant stand black coffee... and i prefer at least a tiny bit of sugar in my coffee, and a tiny bit of creamer. I never get fat either. Would the sugar/cream hurt me? would it go against the concept of this protocol? I tried black coffee but i just dont like it. But i dislike PFS even worse.

[Snell1234]

I think it's best to just grin and bear the black coffee. You're doing everything right so one more sacrifice won't be the end of the world.

[K8668B]

I think it's best to just grin and bear the black coffee. You're doing everything right so one more sacrifice won't be the end of the world.

Very good point! Thank you!

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I think it's best to just grin and bear the black coffee. You're doing everything right so one more sacrifice won't be the end of the world.

Very good point! Thank you!

[K8668B]

Had a great day!! ALMOST got a spontaneous erection today. well i was talking to this girl at my work, and after i left and was driving home, i was thinking dirty thoughts about her, and i swear i almost got a natural boost down there. I lightly touched it a few times.. LIGHTLY, and it started rising a tiny bit. Not a full one, but hey thats progress. Since PFS, ive always been able to get myself hard through manual stimulation, and alot of those hard ons are only 80-90% at best. Sometimes getting a 100% one since PFS, but theyre somewhat rare. But it felt good. Been doing everything like i mentioned in my last post.

Broke my no fap streak today after 8 days. It felt good though. I had to!!! Started a new one now. Couldnt help it. Just used visual thoughts. No pictures, porn, etc. I like to give it a tug once every 7-15 days.

And just took a straight up cold shower from start to finish!! HOLY FUCK.. it felt amazing! Invigorating as fuck. It was probably only a 90 second shower though. But hey ill be saving on my water bill! HAHAHA!

And ive had zero depression/ anxiety! I mean i still get annoyed with certain things, but thats natural. Honestly... my anxiety has gone away since deciding to do CD's protocol. Basically knowing im finally gonna beat this thing. Been kicking ass in the gym.. i always had crazy veins... but i feel like my body has more veins NOW than it ever has!!! I love it! Pumped as shit! And i havent even started the herbs yet!! Just waiting on that last one from amazon! Once again, FUCK YOU amazon! Amazon should suck my dick in the future once i beat PFS... it will be a tough one for amazon to SWALLOW!! AHAHHAAHA!! oh man.. im feeling good as fuck.

Havent had much morning wood lately, but it always comes and goes. Depends on how i sleep. Even with PFS, theres been times where ill get morning wood 9 days in a row. Then there will be times where i wont get it for a few weeks. Regardless, i would say im definitely around 35%-40% at the moment.

Man, when i beat this thing, i would like to get sexual revenge from the last girl i fucked back in March, one year ago. It was roughly close to this time one year ago. My life changed forever at that point. I knew i needed to man up. I still wasnt fully aware of my problem yet at the time, but sub-consciously, i think i knew. It wasnt till i had a GOOD experience in november 2016, and december 2016 that i finally realized it was 100% PFS. She was nice and shitty at the same time. (the one from march 2016) But it taught me a lesson. We were so compatible too... despite what she says. We only met for a few days.. but we had been talking for almost a year. She couldve been the one. The things that happened leading up to, and during that experience. Man it was an epic story. I would love to tell the story sometime. Im over her now, to the point where im open to other women, and i dont care what she does. And im sane now too. But in a sense, ill never be "over" her. That was my lifelong fantasy woman... and for a reason too. ONE DAY.....

[K8668B]

BRING IT ON PFS!!! IM STILL FUCKING STANDING AFTER ALL OF THIS ABUSE!!!! I WILL DESTROY YOU!!! I GOT ALOT OF FIGHT LEFT!!! YEAHHHHH!!!!!!! ALMOST 31 years old too!!!! LETS END THIS SHIT NOW!!!! =) =) =)

[Cdsnuts]

How you feeling?

I imagine you came down a little bit from your last post....lol.

[K8668B]

How you feeling?

I imagine you came down a little bit from your last post....lol.

Hahahah! I feel great! I even woke up with morning wood today. it was like a 70% ish morning wood boner. I've had a few 100% ones despite pfs, but theyre rare. i was getting a few of them not too long ago, like back in november/december ish.

Im about the same as ive been the last few days. Havent missed a beat. workouts have been good. finally got on the track to do my sprints today. ran a faster 100m dash time at 30 years old, than i did when i was in high school. well in high school, i was more of a long distance runner, but we did sprints too.

Been hanging lower for most of the day too. Taking alot of prolab horny goat weed that ive already had. I still havent even gotten my 7th herb yet. The herb rotation is going to be my main thing, but on top of it, can i pop some prolab horny goat weed pills too? theyve always done me well. and the maca powder as well.

I have more veins on my entire body, NOW, than ive ever had. And i always had lots of veins. Must be mainly the cold showers. And a little bit from the sprints.

Nice new pic btw! lol

[K8668B]

STILL waiting on my 7th herb to arrive. Therefore, i still have not even started the herb rotation yet. And when my next paycheck comes in, i will order 3 more... PP powder, shilajit powder and shiljat tincture. So i'll start rotating with 7. And then when the next 3 come in, i will have 8 herbs in my rotation, and also the shiljit and PP something, both of which i can do everyday, along with my 8 rotating herbs at the moment. I will keep acquiring more too, until i have all 21.

Waiting on the butea superba. Amazon has just simply really made me sick with this one. Making me wait. I have 6 of them ready, and unopened at the moment. I order two at the same exact time from amazon, yet ONE arrives immediately, and the other one is going to take 3 weeks longer. WHY? Go fuck yourself again amazon.

In the meantime, the prolab horny goat weed capsules, and superfoods sunfoods maca powder have seem to worn off. it was expected though. I'm going to give them a rest anyways. I'm still at about 35% these days though, i would say.

HOWEVER, life has been quite euphoric as ever. My head has been clear. I finally got a few days off from work. I could have gotten more rest today, but i still feel good. Killed it in the gym today on chest, and headed back for triceps a little bit later. I just feel good about life. I AM HEALING! I take things one day at a time, and im not all heartbroken over some woman, and im not trying to get involved with one, until i reach a certain level. Otherwise, if i did, it would just be the same old experience as its always been for me, for the last 10 years.

On another note, i have maintained a normal sleep schedule for last 3 weeks. So despite my non-24 issue, ive been somewhat stabilized! And im doing well, and fighting to stay disciplined and stabilized!

[Master Mal]

STILL waiting on my 7th herb to arrive. Therefore, i still have not even started the herb rotation yet. And when my next paycheck comes in, i will order 3 more... PP powder, shilajit powder and shiljat tincture. So i'll start rotating with 7. And then when the next 3 come in, i will have 8 herbs in my rotation, and also the shiljit and PP something, both of which i can do everyday, along with my 8 rotating herbs at the moment. I will keep acquiring more too, until i have all 21.

Waiting on the butea superba. Amazon has just simply really made me sick with this one. Making me wait. I have 6 of them ready, and unopened at the moment. I order two at the same exact time from amazon, yet ONE arrives immediately, and the other one is going to take 3 weeks longer. WHY? Go fuck yourself again amazon.

In the meantime, the prolab horny goat weed capsules, and superfoods sunfoods maca powder have seem to worn off. it was expected though. I'm going to give them a rest anyways. I'm still at about 35% these days though, i would say.

HOWEVER, life has been quite euphoric as ever. My head has been clear. I finally got a few days off from work. I could have gotten more rest today, but i still feel good. Killed it in the gym today on chest, and headed back for triceps a little bit later. I just feel good about life. I AM HEALING! I take things one day at a time, and im not all heartbroken over some woman, and im not trying to get involved with one, until i reach a certain level. Otherwise, if i did, it would just be the same old experience as its always been for me, for the last 10 years.

On another note, i have maintained a normal sleep schedule for last 3 weeks. So despite my non-24 issue, ive been somewhat stabilized! And im doing well, and fighting to stay disciplined and stabilized!

Way to go, buddy! Sounds like you're progressing nicely. Really proud of you.

[K8668B]

Thanks bro! Still have a LONG WAYS to go, but i can only hope the same for you! Definitely lay off of those pharmaceuticals, and avoid gluten. Ironically, a family member of mine today ordered 2 pizzas, and invited me to come over. I turned it down. I had to. Wouldnt do me any good.

[Master Mal]

Thanks bro! Still have a LONG WAYS to go, but i can only hope the same for you! Definitely lay off of those pharmaceuticals, and avoid gluten. Ironically, a family member of mine today ordered 2 pizzas, and invited me to come over. I turned it down. I had to. Wouldnt do me any good.

Indeed. It's hard for me as I'm from New Jersey. Pizza is our religion there. But I'll stay strong.

And I'm looking to kick the Wellbutrin ASAP. Unfortunately, it's not one of those things you can quit cold turkey otherwise I'd have already thrown my pills in the garbage.

[Cdsnuts]

Indeed. It's hard for me as I'm from New Jersey. Pizza is our religion there. But I'll stay strong.

And I'm looking to kick the Wellbutrin ASAP. Unfortunately, it's not one of those things you can quit cold turkey otherwise I'd have already thrown my pills in the garbage.

You don't have to tell me.... I've lived in New Jersey all my life. It's a choice like anything else. It's not that difficult.

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[Maxout777]

Thanks bro! Still have a LONG WAYS to go, but i can only hope the same for you! Definitely lay off of those pharmaceuticals, and avoid gluten. Ironically, a family member of mine today ordered 2 pizzas, and invited me to come over. I turned it down. I had to. Wouldnt do me any good.
I would still go over and spend time with people and just not eat the pizza. I highly credit my ability to turn my mindstate around in the beginning to spending time with family and friends and just getting my mind off this bullshit for awhile.

Just my two cents.

[K8668B]

I would still go over and spend time with people and just not eat the pizza. I highly credit my ability to turn my mindstate around in the beginning to spending time with family and friends and just getting my mind off this bullshit for awhile.

Just my two cents.

Totally agreed. Well this particular person can be very negative, and along with the pizza, will also be drinking beer. And being negative as well. But normally i would go over! haha.

Had a similar incident with my friends about 2 weeks ago. My buddy was pushing me to drink. I said no. I just sat there, socialized, ate food (cheeseburger and hot dog with no bread), grapes, and just avoided the beer. My friend was fucking with me hard too that day. He really wanted me to drink. we always drank together, and did stupid shit. But i think it made him uncomfortable or ackward, because i wasnt drinking. But he knows about my plan, and what i have to do!

[Maxout777]

Totally agreed. Well this particular person can be very negative, and along with the pizza, will also be drinking beer. And being negative as well. But normally i would go over! haha.

Had a similar incident with my friends about 2 weeks ago. My buddy was pushing me to drink. I said no. I just sat there, socialized, ate food (cheeseburger and hot dog with no bread), grapes, and just avoided the beer. My friend was fucking with me hard too that day. He really wanted me to drink. we always drank together, and did stupid shit. But i think it made him uncomfortable or ackward, because i wasnt drinking. But he knows about my plan, and what i have to do!

People are threatened when others make choices that navigate away from the status quo. Also, I lost many "friends" throughout this process......I say that, but I really only lost dead weight. All of my close friends are still beside me to this day. Ironically enough, many have cut down on their drinking after I did.

Sometimes a group of people wants someone to take that first step.....There's always gonna be somebody threatened by that. These are usually the same people who have little to nothing positively going on in their individual​ lives or have their own demons they are trying to mask by acting like that. It's totally normal with any group of people my man.

[K8668B]

People are threatened when others make choices that navigate away from the status quo. Also, I lost many "friends" throughout this process......I say that, but I really only lost dead weight. All of my close friends are still beside me to this day. Ironically enough, many have cut down on their drinking after I did.

Sometimes a group of people wants someone to take that first step.....There's always gonna be somebody threatened by that. These are usually the same people who have little to nothing positively going on in their individual​ lives or have their own demons they are trying to mask by acting like that. It's totally normal with any group of people my man.

I totally agree. This guy is a close friend of mine, but other "friends"... are alot worse.

And those "normal" ppl dont have PFS, and ive known people that dont even get affected by hangovers like i have, and can just keep going, and going and going. I had this one supposed "friend" back in the day, who even said "you know me bro, the party never ends with me". Back in the day, they would never understand why i would "vanish" for a week after a hard night of drinking. Also, their DHT levels, adrenals, and 5AR levels have not been weakend either.

Alcohol is so bad for a person like me. Its even gotten me in trouble before. It was always ME with the egg on his face, and never those people! So i stick to my guns about not drinking, especially during this protocol. I will indulge again one day, but not today. When i do indulge again, i will do so responsibly.

[K8668B]

Fuck those assholes! Honestly...

[K8668B]

Still waiting on the 7TH HERB. The "7TH HERB". Sounds like a movie title or some shit....

Video game reference- if you played the original sonic the hedgehog games back on the sega genesis in the early/mid 90s, its like sonic trying to get the 7th(final) chaos emerald so he could finally transform into super sonic. LOL!

These herbs and pro hormones are very important to me!

I got tired of waiting on the inconvenience of the butea superba from amazon, so i ordered two more from lost empire herbs on monday. Shilijit Resin, and Schisandra. There was some confusion, so i talked to a lady from LEH, (very nice woman btw), and got it all cleared up. They switched to a new shipping company, and it should be here no later than april 13th.

So i have 6 herbs sitting in my house, unopened, un-used.

But in the meantime, i am losing my mind. I am ON the protocol, but at the same time, it doesnt feel like im on the protocol. Im eating paleo, gym, HIIT, cold showers, magnesium daily, vitamin d3 20,000 IU daily, spinorella and chlorella daily. Also masturbating alot less. It's only been a month in the gym, and this time around, i have progressed faster than ever in the gym. I'm even running faster 100m dash times at age 30 than i did when i was in high school! (This fitness game always seemed to come natural to me. I guess propecia never fucked me up phyisquewise at least.) I'm already almost back to my natural genetic potential.

But my libido/penis feels like its always been, since having PFS. 35%ish. Like i mentioned earlier... i technically was doing a decent chunk of CDs protocol naturally, before i even realized i had PFS. Like going to the gym, and my diet before was mostly paleo then too.

But things are getting stale. And just waiting to fucking start the herbs, is really pissing me off. I'm losing my mind now. I could use some help.


Update- forgot to mention. I have not really had any brain fog or anxiety lately though. Havent really had that since i discovered this protocol. And I seemed to have cured my non-24 sleep disorder though!! For now at least... =) Although I am working a new job, i can still even get up super early on my days off, and not have any trouble getting out of bed! =)

[Durantia37]

Why haven't you started the herbs yet? If you do what's been recommended (pine pollen and shilajit daily, rotating at first 7 and gradually more and more approved herbs, etc.) you will definitely notice some kind of sexual benefit.

[K8668B]

Why haven't you started the herbs yet? If you do what's been recommended (pine pollen and shilajit daily, rotating at first 7 and gradually more and more approved herbs, etc.) you will definitely notice some kind of sexual benefit.

I'm pretty sure i would notice sexual benefits. But the thing is i only have 6, not 7. I for some reason feel like at least 7 is the starting number... ie, once per week. i want all 21 though no doubt. and although i do have pine pollen already, its the tincture, not the powder. I believe it was the powder which was the one recommended for daily use. also shilijit resin can be used daily, but that wont be here for me until april 13th. i just hate waiting man.. i always got irritated with things like this.

[Durantia37]

I'd personally go ahead and start (the 13th is less than 7 days away), but do what you want man. Yeah, patience is a huge part of this situation.

[K8668B]

I'd personally go ahead and start (the 13th is less than 7 days away), but do what you want man. Yeah, patience is a huge part of this situation.

Thank you! Good idea! You are right.. by the time i get to day 7, the 7th herb will be here! Why didnt i think of this? facepalm lololol! You're a lifesaver bro! I appreciate you brother!

[K8668B]

Come to find out, i have been inadvertently eating soy for the last few days. In the form of skippy peanut butter. I normally eat the peter pan brand, which has zero soy in it. I had been wondering why my libido has been slightly lower lately. I threw the skippy in the trash, and luckily didnt eat it tonight. but unfortunately, i had two teaspoons of vitamin shoppe brand omega3 fish oils, which contains soy in it. :/ I thought the vitamin shoppe brand fish oil messed up me up temporarily back in january when i had it then too. i definitely noticed something. No fucking wonder. Threw that in the trash too!

Started the herbal rotation today. Tried the pine pollen tincture. didnt seem to do much. Could be because of the damn soy i had. Im going to take it one more time before i goto bed. I'll probably try ant extract tomorrow.

[K8668B]

Tried the black ant extract today. Seemed to give me a SLIGHT increase in libido, and a BIG increase in energy.

I just worked a full day today... 8 hours with no break. We got a big rush today, and it didnt even seem to effect me... i could just keep going, and going and going. I felt a little tired when i got home, after being on my feet all day, but i think the ant extract gave me the boost of energy. Now ive been home for about an hour, and im not tired anymore. On top of it, i was well rested, and had my cup of coffee in the morning. Normally i reach a point and just burn out.. but i think the ant extract helped me! =)

Gonna take a break from this blog. I will update it later. I seem to have way more posts on my blog, than other people have on their blogs. But the truth is, after everything ive been through, and what propecia has done to me, this forum is pretty much a sanctuary for me. Way more than garbage places like facebook, youtube, etc. I find it very helpful while dealing with PFS for one to limit his time on facebook, youtube, and just all the mindless garbage you see online. Its really just the same shit over and over again. Try to get out more, and be more productive. I also think its a good time to just simply shut everything off (laptop, cellphone, etc) a little while before heading to bed. Clear your mind from all the garbage, and just get relaxed and focus on your sleep. Its helped me in the past before too.

[Holistic]

Tried the black ant extract today. Seemed to give me a SLIGHT increase in libido, and a BIG increase in energy.

I just worked a full day today... 8 hours with no break. We got a big rush today, and it didnt even seem to effect me... i could just keep going, and going and going. I felt a little tired when i got home, after being on my feet all day, but i think the ant extract gave me the boost of energy. Now ive been home for about an hour, and im not tired anymore. On top of it, i was well rested, and had my cup of coffee in the morning. Normally i reach a point and just burn out.. but i think the ant extract helped me! =)

Gonna take a break from this blog. I will update it later. I seem to have way more posts on my blog, than other people have on their blogs. But the truth is, after everything ive been through, and what propecia has done to me, this forum is pretty much a sanctuary for me. Way more than garbage places like facebook, youtube, etc. I find it very helpful while dealing with PFS for one to limit his time on facebook, youtube, and just all the mindless garbage you see online. Its really just the same shit over and over again. Try to get out more, and be more productive. I also think its a good time to just simply shut everything off (laptop, cellphone, etc) a little while before heading to bed. Clear your mind from all the garbage, and just get relaxed and focus on your sleep. Its helped me in the past before too.

I agree, after all that I had went trough since this started, finding this site was a total turning point, a clearing in a dark forest. Recently I opened an account in another blog that will not mention but after a quick look there is a lot of negativity and over analytical attitude, obsesion with bloodworks etc, really similar to the paradigm in PH

( I guess many of us have been at that stage, don't blame em, but as you know that does more harm than good and it is imperative to move on from that mindset)

Agree as well with putting a distance between one self and all the mindless garbage out there, Facebook, tv, etc. Hope next time you come back, both you and us will be better all around!

Keep it up!


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[K8668B]

This has been eating at me for awhile. I must come clean. I can't live with myself if i don't.

Everything I have said in my entire blog has been 100% truth.

Except for one thing- my juice fast. I only lasted for 38 hours, instead of my intended 7 days.

I apologize to everyone on the board. I feel like I have let all of you down, including myself. I was embarrassed about only lasting for 38 hours, so i lied as if i went the whole 7 days.

I am a strong man. Im not a weak dude. I don't quit alot of things in life, but this juice fast is something that had mentally broke me and defeated me. It is not an easy task, like i was told. It is perhaps one of the toughest, if not THE toughest thing I have ever tried. I truly underestimated the fast.

While in the fast, i got to a point where i began to question everything. The point of it all. I was so worried that I was gonna lose alot of muscle weight and get skinny. I started questioning things. And started to fear that this fast would make me even worse, like it would lower my libido baseline, or I would permanently lose the veins in my muscles. Or that it would have a negative effect on my libido/dick. Which all of these thoughts were complete nonsense. And probably the opposite would have been true. I was just so obsessed with keeping my physique and muscle-size, and started thinking illogically.

I also was without a job for 3 months at the time, so when i went into fasting mode, that and other demons entered my head. I was also laid up in my apartment, all by myself, and that got to me too.

Now ive been back in the gym, and have come back physically faster than ever. I am at 95% of my genetic natural potential again already. But I have seen nothing new in libido/sexual/erectile progress. Its been the same as its always been since PFS.

I didnt truly start to understand this whole PFS gut issue until recently. I heard about it before, but never thought about it. But these gut symptoms, or leaky gut issues, i have never had any of them. And I've always been in ridiculously good shape. Good energy levels most of the time, can get through the day no problem, and was always able to respond quite easily to physical training. I truly believe i only got hit with the sexual sides from propecia. The mental sides maybe slightly, but nowhere like the sexual sides.

I am now working a new job that i currently love. I want to re-attempt this juice fast. But i will have to do some of the days while being at work. But I personally would rather be at work and around people while fasting, instead of being alone in my own house, and jobless. I am waiting till my next big check from work comes in, which will be on the 17th. It will be a bigger check than i usually get. I work in a kitchen, so i do move around a little bit. But i dont see why it would be bad to do a juice fast while at work. Would it be bad? I really have no choice.

I am on a normal sleep clock/pattern again these days, too. I have to attempt this again. I cant live with myself knowing that I quit. I have to re-attempt this again, and succeed. I truly hate having PFS. Once again, i apologize for letting everyone down, and myself.

[Master Mal]

This has been eating at me for awhile. I must come clean. I can't live with myself if i don't.

Everything I have said in my entire blog has been 100% truth.

Except for one thing- my juice fast. I only lasted for 38 hours, instead of my intended 7 days.

I apologize to everyone on the board. I feel like I have let all of you down, including myself. I was embarrassed about only lasting for 38 hours, so i lied as if i went the whole 7 days.

I am a strong man. Im not a weak dude. I don't quit alot of things in life, but this juice fast is something that had mentally broke me and defeated me. It is not an easy task, like i was told. It is perhaps one of the toughest, if not THE toughest thing I have ever tried. I truly underestimated the fast.

While in the fast, i got to a point where i began to question everything. The point of it all. I was so worried that I was gonna lose alot of muscle weight and get skinny. I started questioning things. And started to fear that this fast would make me even worse, like it would lower my libido baseline, or I would permanently lose the veins in my muscles. Or that it would have a negative effect on my libido/dick. Which all of these thoughts were complete nonsense. And probably the opposite would have been true. I was just so obsessed with keeping my physique and muscle-size, and started thinking illogically.

I also was without a job for 3 months at the time, so when i went into fasting mode, that and other demons entered my head. I was also laid up in my apartment, all by myself, and that got to me too.

Now ive been back in the gym, and have come back physically faster than ever. I am at 95% of my genetic natural potential again already. But I have seen nothing new in libido/sexual/erectile progress. Its been the same as its always been since PFS.

I didnt truly start to understand this whole PFS gut issue until recently. I heard about it before, but never thought about it. But these gut symptoms, or leaky gut issues, i have never had any of them. And I've always been in ridiculously good shape. Good energy levels most of the time, can get through the day no problem, and was always able to respond quite easily to physical training. I truly believe i only got hit with the sexual sides from propecia. The mental sides maybe slightly, but nowhere like the sexual sides.

I am now working a new job that i currently love. I want to re-attempt this juice fast. But i will have to do some of the days while being at work. But I personally would rather be at work and around people while fasting, instead of being alone in my own house, and jobless. I am waiting till my next big check from work comes in, which will be on the 17th. It will be a bigger check than i usually get. I work in a kitchen, so i do move around a little bit. But i dont see why it would be bad to do a juice fast while at work. Would it be bad? I really have no choice.

I am on a normal sleep clock/pattern again these days, too. I have to attempt this again. I cant live with myself knowing that I quit. I have to re-attempt this again, and succeed. I truly hate having PFS. Once again, i apologize for letting everyone down, and myself.

Dude, I totally get it. I was in a similar situation when I was hit with PFS. It's soul sucking, isolating, and saps your will to do anything.

But you have to fight back. Because those shitty seven days are going to mean a lifetime of being recovered. We're here for you. No judgement. I don't think anyone here is angry, but we all want you to win. Lying only makes the journey more difficult for you. It's hard enough already.

We're here for you.

[Cdsnuts]

FYI with PFS, I suggest two weeks. A week is for "normal" guys

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[Maxout777]

The nice part about this is that it's only going to benefit you either way. It would've been ideal to do it in the beginning, but it's not like you're going to go back to square one from juice feasting man. Don't feel bad, it's tough. Just stick to it and you'll get there.

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[Durantia37]

I totally understand dude. Same thing happened to me. I went 6 days, chickened out for similar reasons, then went like 4 more, chickened out again, then finally did a 5 day water fast with like 5 more days of juicing and now regret not going even longer.

I hated how it shrunk your dick and muscles, made you cold and crazy, etc. etc. I will say this though: after that month or so of cleansing, I got to a point where every time I laid down, I felt more high and clean and wonderful than any other time in my life. No drug I've done compares. AND almost immediately after eating, literally like hours later, your veins and brain and dick come back.

It's evidently something you just have to get used to and develop trust in. Try water fasting for 24 hours or something if you need practice. Going from zero experience to 2 weeks juicing requires a kind of blind faith it's probably not even healthy to have.

Don't sweat it about lying, I think it's kind of funny. I lied to CD and plan to see myself do worse.

[K8668B]

I appreciate the understanding from you guys. It means alot to me.. im feeling like its not the end of the world anymore. I'll be honest, i have always hated fasting, but i must and will complete it. I have to mentally prepare. This time, i now know what im dealing with.

CDSNUTS, I know deep down inside that 2 weeks would be better than 1 week. I just have to mentally prepare myself. I have a few days to do so, too. Ugh, i just hate the idea of how much weight im gonna lose. It is what it is.

You guys are the greatest people in the world. Thank you for understanding.

I'm going to keep my mouth shut for awhile now. I wont speak until its over. I'm pretty confident this time around, but if something happens where i break it early this time, i wont lie about it. But the plan is to finish.

[Durantia37]

Good luck. It sucks ass, but it really does help.

[CannonBalls]

I only did the 7 day juice feast. For me it was easy, when I started to think about food I asked myself one question. "What do you want more, a dick that works or PFS?" The choice was a no brainer and enough motivation for me to stick with it.

Making the juice was what I disliked, but it was part of the process, and well worth it. I took my juice with me to work in a cooler. People asked me why I was doing it. Told them I wanted to work out some gut issues. A separate department ended up trying to do a juice feast also, they said I inspired them. They didn't do it right, but it was cool to see them with a juicer in the break room.

There was a point in the beginning of this whole process where I was following CDs regime and I saw no improvement whatsoever, and it got me down. But I stayed with it, because I believed it would work. And then little by little I'd take a step forward.

The beginning is the hardest, but when you finally start to quiet your mind and just roll with the bad times you will see progress.

[Cdsnuts]

I totally understand dude. Same thing happened to me. I went 6 days, chickened out for similar reasons, then went like 4 more, chickened out again, then finally did a 5 day water fast with like 5 more days of juicing and now regret not going even longer.

I hated how it shrunk your dick and muscles, made you cold and crazy, etc. etc. I will say this though: after that month or so of cleansing, I got to a point where every time I laid down, I felt more high and clean and wonderful than any other time in my life. No drug I've done compares. AND almost immediately after eating, literally like hours later, your veins and brain and dick come back.

It's evidently something you just have to get used to and develop trust in. Try water fasting for 24 hours or something if you need practice. Going from zero experience to 2 weeks juicing requires a kind of blind faith it's probably not even healthy to have.

Don't sweat it about lying, I think it's kind of funny. I lied to CD and plan to see myself do worse.

When it comes to PFS conquering, the guys that have blind faith in what I tell them and act accordingly are always the ones that heal the fastest. Always.

[Durantia37]

I don't doubt it for a second. Just saying full blind faith is hard to come by, and not having it right from the get-go is understandable.

[Cdsnuts]

I don't doubt it for a second. Just saying full blind faith is hard to come by, and not having it right from the get-go is understandable.
That's why this forum is so helpful. It's a really great resource for the guys who are struggling mentally to take it all in and have the faith they need to have. It's extremely helpful to see other people along the way who are developing that Faith through their experiences on the program. For the guys that are teetering on the edge I believe seeing these posts will help them take the plunge.

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[K8668B]

Something I find interesting is how guys that have pfs obsess over losing weight or muscle mass - the whole point of this process is to essentially rebuild yourself better than you ever were - which means having to make sacrifices. I was around 220lbs when I first started taking fin and I would have random people compliment me in public, I'm now hovering around 165lbs and couldn't care less. The symptoms I've endured are much worse than losing muscle mass which can easily be replaced when I have a good foundation of health. You should aim to enjoy each part of the process of recovery and make the most of it because it won't last forever, just keep learning and improving.

A lot of people worry about getting back to their old self. I don't want to be my old self, that's what got me in this situation in the first place.

Very true! Well im doing it. But keeping my mouth shut at the same time. Still need a few days to get mentally right. I know youre right, but i still worry. I'm a shredded 5'11" 175lbs with a super fast metabolism. I gotta do what i gotta do, and i will, but i still worry what i would look like at the end of it. could be 130 lbs for all i know. alright im shutting up for now. happy fasting everyone

[K8668B]

My 14-Day Juice Fast | High Existence (http://highexistence.com/my-14-day-juice-fast/)

[Master Mal]

My 14-Day Juice Fast | High Existence (http://highexistence.com/my-14-day-juice-fast/)

Interesting. I'd be curious what CD thought of the points made in this article in regards to protein and iron supplements.

[Holistic]

Interesting. I'd be curious what CD thought of the points made in this article in regards to protein and iron supplements.

I am not an expert but here are my two cents: I do not think the supplements are a must, for instance there are vegetables that contains huge amounts of iron, spinach for example. As for protein wheatgrass can deliver some ( unfortunately I haven't been able to find it in my country)


Also KB, Check this link for some juice recipes ideas to get through morning - day -evening

The Great Juice Feast - My New Roots (https://www.mynewroots.org/site/2010/05/the-great-juice-feast-2/)

Yesterday I learned the hard way not to throw mindlessly some random veggies into the blender.





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[Cdsnuts]

Interesting. I'd be curious what CD thought of the points made in this article in regards to protein and iron supplements.

Didn't read the article but I don't have to. As stated many times over, the fast/feast is by designed, made to tear you down, flush you out, knock you down a couple pegs, but more importantly, to CLEANSE. During this process you don't need extra protein as you're not building anything, and you don't need any extra iron. Especially if you're varying the greens you're getting on a daily basis. The bottom line is this. You're going to lose weight. Is some cases, alot of weight. You gotta get over it. It's such a small thing in the scope of everything. Once you start eating again, the weight comes back quick.

[K8668B]

Update- this is going to be somewhat lengthy.

I'm day 3 into a juice feast. Approximately 64 1/2 hours deep right now. I'm finally doing it. I am feeling better than ever! Feeling euphoric today. I cant believe i quit the first time like a chicken shit. Until right this second, i didnt realize how healthy this truly is. This is powerful!! I feel like i could do this for a very long time actually. The longer the better. My goal is 7-14 days. I would actually prefer 14 days since im feeling this good as i write this, but well see. 7 is the bare minimum, for me, which i will get into later.

Libido/penis... My libido actually seems a TINY bit higher. Nothing huge, maybe like 1% higher (tried an edging experiment). I was hoping to get a spontaneous erection on day 3 like maxout777 said he did, lol, but i havent. Havent had that in like 10 years i think. I think atticus back in the day was having crazy libido on his fast as well. Thats my problem, i recently learned that i need to stop comparing myself to other people, and enjoy my journey on this as my own unique individual experience. It has become quite a wonderful experience too. But also heres the thing, my libido/penis at the same time, has not seemed to decrease either!! =)

Mental- Feeling fucking amazing!! I think even people who dont have PFS, outta try a juice fast or a water fast at one point in their life. On day 1 and today on day 3.. i have been having amazing moments of freshness, energy, euphoria, and mental clarity.

Day 2 was the worst, as i predicted. I also had an interesting situation. At my work, i couldnt finish my side work, nor could i keep up. I work at a huge corporate chain restaurant, in the kitchen. "Magically" on day 2 of me deciding to do a juice fast, we happen to have an inspection happening later in the day, and my bosses were trying to get me to do all this extra work. Such a jynx. I had moments of slowness and lack of focus. I couldnt do certain things i normally do. Strangely i was feeling good yesterday before all the bs at work started happening. And we got suprisingly really busy at the same time. It was my only ever bad day at work at this particular job. But i have to work. I was almost at my breaking point yesterday. I feel like people at work think im weird or crazy/stupid for doing this. On the other side, theres this one cool hot older chic that i like, and we shoot the shit sometimes. At one point in the day, she said to me "i know what you're going through, i can imagine how you're feeling." Then after more shooting the shit, she said "you're insane!" Hahahaha... i took it as a compliment!!!!

But the interesting about all of us PFS sufferers, is that we all come from different age brackets, and walks of life. I work on the the lower end of things... i work an entry level/minimum wage job, and income wise, i get by but just barely. While others seem to have more prestige job titles. But none of this matters. We all seek the common goal.

The only thing about yesterday that got me upset was how non understanding a particular boss was towards my situation. And this one waitress who thinks her shit dont stink. It kinda made me mad. In these jobs, you do get your % of druggies, or just people who are ignorant towards things like fitness/ self improvement. In these jobs, ive always kind of stood out as being a little different, due to the things im interested in. Society in general is just ignornant and misinformed. They all think im doing this juice fast to lose weight, and i know some of them might be mocking me behind my back about it. They have no clue. But its noones business. Im just worried and hope my poor performance at work yesterday didnt hurt me. But at the same time, as of today, im starting to care less. I just feel so good today. I have the next 3 days off. But on day 6 and day 7, i have to go back to work. Thats my only concern... the only thing that could make me break this fast now is my work. Cause honestly now, im loving the fast.. .just for how its making me feel mentally!

Oh and i forgot to mention- weight wise- yeah ive lost some weight, but i really dont give a shit anymore. It honestly looks like i just lost water weight, and it really doesnt look like im losing too much muscle.

[Cdsnuts]

Again, you can't worry about weight at this stage of the game at all. You'll get that back later. Your goal right now is to cleanse. That's it.

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[K8668B]

Again, you can't worry about weight at this stage of the game at all. You'll get that back later. Your goal right now is to cleanse. That's it.

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Definitely! I don't think i honestly even give a shit about weight anymore! I just feel really good!

[Holistic]

Good to see you are growing some character out of this storm, like and share a lot of your perspective about it.

We come from different backgrounds but what unite us is the purpose of recovery and to achieve our maximum potential and help others do so.

As for me I am sure some people thought I was a wacko when I told em about the cleanse ( but some others even got kind of inspired) but nonetheless...who cares? if they did and spoke behind my back bad stuff? If you ponder about it what drove us to take that poison was precisely a train of thought directed to what others think, ie " im going bald, girls will not find me attractive anymore, etc" rest assured that if you could go back in time and confront your former self you would give him some rough words of advice. I know I would, lol even would punch myself in the face.

On the other side though,this shit storm as painful and hard that it is, forces you to confront with yourself, to take care of mind and body and of your own life. Maybe if this sucking ass condition never happened, then one will just continue to drive recklessly right into the abyss. And besides I think that when the time comes and libido returns we will live that aspect of our life's more wholesome.

As for your worry for the fast at least in my case the really hard days where the first 3. After day 5 or so I was astonished by the focus and clarity. Just make sure to get at least the 4 qts and meditate. Weights regard I lost about 12 pounds in my 11 day of cleanse. Right now I have recovered at least half of it.

Keep strong!

[Cdsnuts]

Good to see you are growing some character out of this storm, like and share a lot of your perspective about it.

We come from different backgrounds but what unite us is the purpose of recovery and to achieve our maximum potential and help others do so.

As for me I am sure some people thought I was a wacko when I told em about the cleanse ( but some others even got kind of inspired) but nonetheless...who cares? if they did and spoke behind my back bad stuff? If you ponder about it what drove us to take that poison was precisely a train of thought directed to what others think, ie " im going bald, girls will not find me attractive anymore, etc" rest assured that if you could go back in time and confront your former self you would give him some rough words of advice. I know I would, lol even would punch myself in the face.

On the other side though,this shit storm as painful and hard that it is, forces you to confront with yourself, to take care of mind and body and of your own life. Maybe if this sucking ass condition never happened, then one will just continue to drive recklessly right into the abyss. And besides I think that when the time comes and libido returns we will live that aspect of our life's more wholesome.

As for your worry for the fast at least in my case the really hard days where the first 3. After day 5 or so I was astonished by the focus and clarity. Just make sure to get at least the 4 qts and meditate. Weights regard I lost about 12 pounds in my 11 day of cleanse. Right now I have recovered at least half of it.

Keep strong!
Good post holistic.

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[K8668B]

Good to see you are growing some character out of this storm, like and share a lot of your perspective about it.

We come from different backgrounds but what unite us is the purpose of recovery and to achieve our maximum potential and help others do so.

As for me I am sure some people thought I was a wacko when I told em about the cleanse ( but some others even got kind of inspired) but nonetheless...who cares? if they did and spoke behind my back bad stuff? If you ponder about it what drove us to take that poison was precisely a train of thought directed to what others think, ie " im going bald, girls will not find me attractive anymore, etc" rest assured that if you could go back in time and confront your former self you would give him some rough words of advice. I know I would, lol even would punch myself in the face.

On the other side though,this shit storm as painful and hard that it is, forces you to confront with yourself, to take care of mind and body and of your own life. Maybe if this sucking ass condition never happened, then one will just continue to drive recklessly right into the abyss. And besides I think that when the time comes and libido returns we will live that aspect of our life's more wholesome.

As for your worry for the fast at least in my case the really hard days where the first 3. After day 5 or so I was astonished by the focus and clarity. Just make sure to get at least the 4 qts and meditate. Weights regard I lost about 12 pounds in my 11 day of cleanse. Right now I have recovered at least half of it.

Keep strong!
Thank you, Holistic! Well said!! I can relate 100% And congrats on completing your fast!

Heheh, on another note, that same boss of mine just called about an hour ago, asked if i was feeling better, and was very nice. Asked me if i could come in to work today because one of our guys keeps having problems. I told her i needed to rest, but she was cool. So im not worried about that anymore. I would like to keep this going as long as i can.

[K8668B]

I just cant believe how good im feeling right now. I don't get how during a fast, my brain is functioning no less. I feel like my brain is functioning HIGHER than it did when i was eating.

I finally started juicing the oranges. Hell.. ive lived in florida for almost 12 years, and ive lived in my current place for the last 4 years. I have an orange tree in my backyard. For the first time in a long time, i looked at that orange tree, and was contemplating grabbing one of the oranges and throwing it into my blender. hahaha. But i didnt... last time i tried taking a bite out of one like 3 or 4 years ago, and it wasnt ready.

Btw, i hope i didnt inadvertently cheat today. I wasted my first 4 oranges because i didnt peel the skin off. I blended them with celery. Used my nutmilk bag, and it came out in pure liquid form.. but it was nasty. i swallowed a small sip, but then dumped the rest out. The next 3 oranges i used, i peeled the skin off, and it was much better. I even got a muscle pump from the orange juice, (and slight libido pump), and this is while fasting!! And during this whole experience, im beginning to appreciate florida alot more. I will take advantage of the sunshine alot more. I'm originally a Massachusetts native though. But fuck it, i have unfinished business here, and who cant appreciate florida? hehe

[K8668B]

Almost at the end of day 5 of my juice feast/fast. I wanted to report all of the positive things. I feel great. Somewhat euphoric like i did on day 3, but not as extreme. Day 4 was just average, but not bad. But on day 4 i had some crazy libido, all day. No spontaneous erections yet, but high libido. Same with today. Woke up with 70% morning wood on day 4 also. Didnt wake up with any this morning though. But i still feel awesome! I seriously think my baseline has increased from this! Im not joking either!!!

Today i went to the beach. It was amazing. After roughly 10 years of hating my surroundings, im starting to appreciate Florida alot more. ( besides the hot bitch about my age who took a picture of my license plate and tried to harass me about parking, talking about a potential $500 fine. who had nothing better to do with her life. and i told her to go fuck herself, and gave her the finger before i moved my car.) This was actually a few minutes after i got done sunning my boys too! HAHAHA! I hope she saw my cock and balls and got a good visual. She can suck and lick on them for all i care. I wish she wouldve too.

Im gonna use the warmer climate to my advantage during this PFS battle. It's already working too. For the first time in a long time, i enjoyed the beach. I was all by myself, while everyone else was with their wives/gfs/husbands/bfs or friends, and i didnt even give a shit. I think people may have even saw my positive energy and thought it was cool. I relaxed for 90 minutes. Even sunned the boys for a few minutes. Did some stretching too. Moved around a good amount too. Then when i got home from that, i took a cold shower. Life is good! PFS will be a mere thing of the past!

2-9 more days to go.

[Cdsnuts]

Almost at the end of day 5 of my juice feast/fast. I wanted to report all of the positive things. I feel great. Somewhat euphoric like i did on day 3, but not as extreme. Day 4 was just average, but not bad. But on day 4 i had some crazy libido, all day. No spontaneous erections yet, but high libido. Same with today. Woke up with 70% morning wood on day 4 also. Didnt wake up with any this morning though. But i still feel awesome! I seriously think my baseline has increased from this! Im not joking either!!!

Today i went to the beach. It was amazing. After roughly 10 years of hating my surroundings, im starting to appreciate Florida alot more. ( besides the hot bitch about my age who took a picture of my license plate and tried to harass me about parking, talking about a potential $500 fine. who had nothing better to do with her life. and i told her to go fuck herself, and gave her the finger before i moved my car.) This was actually a few minutes after i got done sunning my boys too! HAHAHA! I hope she saw my cock and balls and got a good visual. She can suck and lick on them for all i care. I wish she wouldve too.

Im gonna use the warmer climate to my advantage during this PFS battle. It's already working too. For the first time in a long time, i enjoyed the beach. I was all by myself, while everyone else was with their wives/gfs/husbands/bfs or friends, and i didnt even give a shit. I think people may have even saw my positive energy and thought it was cool. I relaxed for 90 minutes. Even sunned the boys for a few minutes. Did some stretching too. Moved around a good amount too. Then when i got home from that, i took a cold shower. Life is good! PFS will be a mere thing of the past!

2-9 more days to go.

Keep it up. I'd go for as long as you can stand it. If you can make it 9 more days.....do it.

[K8668B]

Well i broke my fast this morning. Made it 7 days. (Actually it was approximately 7 1/2 days). My original goal was 7 days, but then i learned that 14 days is alot better. Did some research. I may possibly come back and do a 14 day juice feast in the future. Im now an experienced juicer. I cant believe i pussed out the first time. Well not this time!! This was one of the greatest things i ever did. It was powerful. The euphoria you feel on day 3. Actually, i felt euphoric on a couple days of it... mainly the days i didnt have to work. I wouldve gone 14 days, but my job is way too physical for a fast. I didnt think my job would be as physical as it was. I was really slow and loopy at work. And somewhat anti social too. My work performance went down alot. I gotta figure something out as far as that goes.

Stats- started at 172 lbs, and was down to 154.7lbs. 154.7, not 157.4. Weighed myself today on the same scale and was back up to 156. So 18 lbs total! Yikes. I have a super fast metabolism. But i barely lost any muscle! Tested the waters in the gym just now.. only lost a tiny bit of strength... not even that much! My benchpress strength with 225lbs on the bar only dropped by 4 reps! So i was happy!

I hope i gained some ground from this. I felt like i did during the fast... still do somewhat, but now in the back of my head I keep thinking about the 14 day factor. But i would assume 7 days outta do at least something though. I may even come back and fast for a 14 period, but well see.

Fasting isnt as hard as it seems, believe it or not! I felt like i couldve gone on like that forever, if it wasnt for my job.

So for now, i am going to say im on the protocol. Im going to train in the gym, cycle herbs, do everything else as well, and cycle prohormones. I really want to get on the prohormones badly. I will do so once im back to my natural genetic potential.

[K8668B]

Grats man. The most important thing is you set out and achieved something which takes a lot of discipline and you stayed the course.

I would take it easy and ease your way back into the gym though, I don't think breaking your fast and then immediately getting in the gym for a big workout is beneficial on your body. I would definitely start the herbs asap to help modulate cortisol and other stress hormones.

Thank you for that, Ceremonious!

But a juice feast is nowhere as energy depleting as one would think. You're still getting a shitload of nutrients from the fruits and vegetables broken down into their liquid juice form. And you're really not losing any muscle, if any just barely. You lose very little strength as well. I dont exactly know what you lose, but i can confidently say you're losing something that you don't need at all, and thats definitely a good thing!

Breaking my fast in the morning, i started out very light by eating a tiny bit of watermelon, then some fruits later on. as the day progressed, i stepped it up with two soy free protein cookies from the vitamin shoppe, and then tried a peanut butter sandwich on gluten free bread, and then even after that i had some soy free/ gluten free quest protein powder. Never got any stomach aches, cramps, etc. Read some stuff online that you should wait 3 days before eating that stuff again, but in my case i didnt have to wait that long. But i didnt over eat at the same time either.

And i definitely agree with you on the herbs.

[K8668B]

I no longer am putting a timeline on my recovery. This may take slightly longer than i expected, but it will be alot sooner than i think. All i know is that i can confidently say that i will heal 100%!

I've used up 18 pages on this thread already, and im only now finally finished with a 7 day juice fast. I know ive probably rambled on alot of useless information that may appear to be frustrating for someone whose reading and miserable/depressed/hopeless/hopeful, but the thing is that im very passionate about this!

Alright, its on!! We're doing this! Were all in this together! Let's rock this shit!

Will update later.

[Brazilianguy]

I noticed that sometimes my improvements are very strong and stable and sometimes it's not as strong which is normal and expected but one thing is right I'll be better than before the herbal cycle. In my case I notice better results doing like this: Tribulus for a week, then I stop for a month, the next time I'll use Maca for a week, this worked better for me than cycle a lot of herbs one different herb each day, I feel more the herbal cycle and the results are stronger and more stable.

[K8668B]

Were all different, so you never know. That seems to work for you. Im the same way with horny goat weed (prolab brand). Which has maca, tribulus, and horny goat weed in it. (also has gingko biloba and yohimbine). I would get great results for 10 days, and then it would stop working. But we all know the reason for this. My gut instincts tell me that the 1 herb a day rule is much better for me though.

I still might have to come back and do a 14 juice fast/feast in the future too, so well see. But at the moment, i have a 7 1/2 day juice feast under my belt, and a 38 hour juice feast under my belt.

And....... something very good happened to me today!!!... I was getting my groceries at the supermarket, and there was this really hot woman who was in line in front of me. She was the kind i like too. I was staring at her breasts and everythign else. and then i started to concentrate really hard, and i got a 40% erection from just staring at and fantasizing about her!!!! With zero manual stimulation!!!!! My hands were nowhere near down there! Im pumped up! Cant be a bad thing. Thats gotta be a step in the right direction. Im just feeling good all day!

Today though, i did get a really good sleep and woke up with 80% morning wood though. In the last 2 months though, ive only had morning wood like 4 times. But today i had one, and got a good sleep, and felt energized all day.

Also my butea superba finally arrived. So im cycling 8 herbs at the moment. along with shilijit resin daily. Im also ordering another herb at the moment. (either pine pollen powder or tongkat ali)

Im still doing everything else i mentioned before, but a new thing ive added in is that at the end of the day, ill juice fruits and vegetables if i can. Most likely after a full day of eating, if you drink one of these juices it will rinse you out completely. you might have to make a trip to the bathroom. thus giving the digestive system a chance to relax. yet still having a bunch of nutrients in your system. IMO that outta give you a better sleep, and possibly even increase your chances of waking up with morning wood.

[Maxout777]

Were all different, so you never know. That seems to work for you. Im the same way with horny goat weed (prolab brand). Which has maca, tribulus, and horny goat weed in it. (also has gingko biloba and yohimbine). I would get great results for 10 days, and then it would stop working. But we all know the reason for this. My gut instincts tell me that the 1 herb a day rule is much better for me though.

I still might have to come back and do a 14 juice fast/feast in the future too, so well see. But at the moment, i have a 7 1/2 day juice feast under my belt, and a 38 hour juice feast under my belt.

And....... something very good happened to me today!!!... I was getting my groceries at the supermarket, and there was this really hot woman who was in line in front of me. She was the kind i like too. I was staring at her breasts and everythign else. and then i started to concentrate really hard, and i got a 40% erection from just staring at and fantasizing about her!!!! With zero manual stimulation!!!!! My hands were nowhere near down there! Im pumped up! Cant be a bad thing. Thats gotta be a step in the right direction. Im just feeling good all day!

Today though, i did get a really good sleep and woke up with 80% morning wood though. In the last 2 months though, ive only had morning wood like 4 times. But today i had one, and got a good sleep, and felt energized all day.

Also my butea superba finally arrived. So im cycling 8 herbs at the moment. along with shilijit resin daily. Im also ordering another herb at the moment. (either pine pollen powder or tongkat ali)

Im still doing everything else i mentioned before, but a new thing ive added in is that at the end of the day, ill juice fruits and vegetables if i can. Most likely after a full day of eating, if you drink one of these juices it will rinse you out completely. you might have to make a trip to the bathroom. thus giving the digestive system a chance to relax. yet still having a bunch of nutrients in your system. IMO that outta give you a better sleep, and possibly even increase your chances of waking up with morning wood.


I've found morning wood to be more mood based than anything. Also i found it easier to not focus on daily status of symptoms....it's going to be a marathon as opposed to a sprint, and I found that not focusing on things on a daily basis made it easier to keep a positive mood and attitude. I really focused on my career and improving my knowledge, certifications, and graduate degree classes as a way to keep my mind off of this PFS BS. It really helped. If you don't want to to this route, find a hobby you'd like to invest your time and interest in. This was waterfowl hunting for me.....little things that help you nudge yourself in the right direction.

Just my .02.

[Swill]

I've found morning wood to be more mood based than anything. Also i found it easier to not focus on daily status of symptoms....it's going to be a marathon as opposed to a sprint, and I found that not focusing on things on a daily basis made it easier to keep a positive mood and attitude. I really focused on my career and improving my knowledge, certifications, and graduate degree classes as a way to keep my mind off of this PFS BS. It really helped. If you don't want to to this route, find a hobby you'd like to invest your time and interest in. This was waterfowl hunting for me.....little things that help you nudge yourself in the right direction.

Just my .02.

Seconded. The days of waking up in the middle of the night and checking out 'down there' for any signs of life were my worst... the second you adapt your mentality to just get on with getting on is when I truly started away to move away from the dread of this thing, and started having many fewer bad days mentally.

[K8668B]

I agree with both of you! I really do! My problem is that i tend to obsess too much over tiny things. I was this way before PFS too. But seriously, good things have been happening to me lately!

Something even better happened today though!!!!!.... At work, theres this woman i work with, and we kinda crack sexual jokes with each other sometimes. Shes laid back. Thats the sort of the atmosphere i work in. I obviously don't have a problem with it either ;) Alot of the girls where i work are really cool. Theyre not the bitchy kind either. We had another one of those moments, and the girl said something funny to me, so i lightly spanked her bum a few times, she was cool with it, and then 30 seconds later after she was gone, i got an 85% erection from it. And i never even touched myself! This is the farthest ive come in years as far as response!! I'm not making these things up either. Today was also my cistanche day of the herb cycling. This has to be progress. Of course tomorrow i could be the complete opposite for all i know. I dont want to obsess over the tiny daily things like you guys said, and continue to drag this blog out, but since we were on that topic, and this happened today, i thought id share. Sorry for going into too much detail haha

[Durantia37]

I really appreciate hearing this from you and Maxout. I drive myself crazy during the many times things aren't going well by worrying that I did something wrong. Like "oh god, maybe I crashed because I worked out too early or too late or ate one too many eggs" or some dumb shit like that.

But it's very slowly and gradually becoming clear that when things are bad, you can't really lift them up, and when things are going good, it's pretty hard to mess them up with minutiae. The cycles are cycles and your job is just to soldier on with the same guideline. I can't quite get to where I embody this, but glad to hear it does happen.

[Swill]

I agree with both of you! I really do! My problem is that i tend to obsess too much over tiny things. I was this way before PFS too. But seriously, good things have been happening to me lately!



Don't think you're alone in that either... I have a super analytical mind. In fact I think most people who end up in this predicament do. Just know its another one of those things you need to work on improving to get through this thing. Changing the way you think is one of the most difficult things to do, but at the same time one of the easiest once it finally 'clicks.' It'll bring you on leaps and bounds, and makes taking the rough with the smooth so much easier.

[K8668B]

Heheh, i have a 14 day juice feast/fast coming up soon! I may whine or complain alot, but in the end i always get shit done! Don't count me out. Heheh

Will update later!

Life is good!

[K8668B]

Almost finished with day 3 of a 14 day juice feast. It honestly doesnt even feel like im fasting this time around. I feel almost no different than if i was eating my regular diet. I do feel calmer and relaxed, and more on the good side, but energetic as hell. Libido feels the same as it did before the feast. I had been fapping a little bit more than i would liked to before, and i stopped the day before the feast. Was going through a minimal amount of stress i guess. Had a slight downswing in libido leading up to this juice feast. But im getting serious about the no fapping again, as well. My libido seemed higher on my first juice feast than it does on this one. I slept really well last night too, and had no trouble getting to bed an hour earlier than i have been. I just dont have the crazy euphoria like i did on the first juice feast i did, one month ago (on day 3). Im doing everything right though, and the same exact things i did on my last juice feast. It just almost feels like im doing something wrong though, because this feels too "easy", and almost no different than i did when i was eating. I guess maybe since ive already done a juice feast one month ago, my body is used to it and knows what to expect? maybe? Maybe thats why it doesnt seem like such a shock on my body/system. Sometimes i just need another voice to tell me what i already know, to shut me up, allowing me to not overthink things. haha. I wanted to come back and get the 14 day juice feast under my belt, just so mentally i could be 100% sure im doing my part, and not cheating myself. It doesnt even seem like im losing as much weight this time around either. I dont feel "spacey" like i did on the first one, and now i could care less, even more than before, about how much weight i lose.


Some other good news though- I had my yearly physical check up at my doctors today. This is the healthiest ive been, and the doctors were really impressed it seems. All of my vitals came back really good. And other things like, liver, kidney, thyroid, cholesterol, and everything else, all came back good and healthy! It just shows how powerful this protocol is, and when you do the right things for your body in general.

[Cdsnuts]

Almost finished with day 3 of a 14 day juice feast. It honestly doesnt even feel like im fasting this time around. I feel almost no different than if i was eating my regular diet. I do feel calmer and relaxed, and more on the good side, but energetic as hell. Libido feels the same as it did before the feast. I had been fapping a little bit more than i would liked to before, and i stopped the day before the feast. Was going through a minimal amount of stress i guess. Had a slight downswing in libido leading up to this juice feast. But im getting serious about the no fapping again, as well. My libido seemed higher on my first juice feast than it does on this one. I slept really well last night too, and had no trouble getting to bed an hour earlier than i have been. I just dont have the crazy euphoria like i did on the first juice feast i did, one month ago (on day 3). Im doing everything right though, and the same exact things i did on my last juice feast. It just almost feels like im doing something wrong though, because this feels too "easy", and almost no different than i did when i was eating. I guess maybe since ive already done a juice feast one month ago, my body is used to it and knows what to expect? maybe? Maybe thats why it doesnt seem like such a shock on my body/system. Sometimes i just need another voice to tell me what i already know, to shut me up, allowing me to not overthink things. haha. I wanted to come back and get the 14 day juice feast under my belt, just so mentally i could be 100% sure im doing my part, and not cheating myself. It doesnt even seem like im losing as much weight this time around either. I dont feel "spacey" like i did on the first one, and now i could care less, even more than before, about how much weight i lose.


Some other good news though- I had my yearly physical check up at my doctors today. This is the healthiest ive been, and the doctors were really impressed it seems. All of my vitals came back really good. And other things like, liver, kidney, thyroid, cholesterol, and everything else, all came back good and healthy! It just shows how powerful this protocol is, and when you do the right things for your body in general.

The first cleanse is always the hardest because you're body has never "cleansed" before. They do get progressively easier, until you hit another level of stuff that has to come out. Right now your body is gearing up and building energy for another push. It may hit in a few days, or it may take a week or so, but it will hit. You'll feel yourself start detoxing again....this is exactly what you want. The detox period, depending on how much has to come out, could last for a few days (the worst of it) or even a little longer. I have ALWAYS noticed the serene calm before the storm. Don't be alarmed....it's normal.

What you don't want to do, is stop cleansing when you are in an acute detox phase. You want to ride it out until the intensity settles. So if you're still feeling tweaked out by the prescribed stop date, you want to hold off a day or two before breaking the feast/fast until the worst of it is gone. You may get lucky and have a quick, acute but intense detox that only last a day or two.

I give you props for going back and doing it right this time. It's only going to benefit you in every way imaginable. You are going to notice a very nice new baseline once you're though with this and re-fed for a few weeks.

Good move.

[K8668B]

Thank you, cdsnuts, for your feedback. Your words have eliminated all doubts from my head, and i will take your advice! I feel positive as hell about this even more now!

[K8668B]

On day 7 of a planned 14 day juice feast. It could end up being 15 or 16 days if im lucky enough to go through a 2nd detox stage, and i will wait until the intensity from such a stage passes, to finally break my fast.

But from this whole fast, it just doesnt feel like thats going to happen. Im actually HOPING that i will get those symptoms, and they will hurt like hell, but i will love every minute of it, because i know its doing its job. Ive become a crazy sob! I could keep fasting like this forever, it feels way too easy. Its more a question of "am i doing it right? did i inadvertently do something wrong?" "Is what im doing during this exact moment in time, serving any purpose?"

I did a 7 day juice feast a month ago. THAT felt like a fast! It was the first time i ever cleansed in my life. But still, at the end of it, i knew deep down that 14 days of juice feasting would be better for a PFS person, like myself.


In the last 5 or 6 months, since i finally realized i had PFS after all these years, i literally felt like i rose from the dead! I finally had hope and knew i could beat this thing. Still do, actually. I've been high on life, feeling better than i ever have, in just these last 6 months, knowing that i can finally beat this, and there is a way, and THIS is THE way, and that ive finally found the remedy!

However, since the way this current juice feast im doing is going, i have been just feeling down, frustrated, and feeling like my old self, where it just felt like the never ending road to nowhere. I do not want these negative feelings ever again. Theyve been gone for 5 or 6 months, i want them to stay gone.


This fast feels no different than as if i was eating, just minus the coffee and caffeine. All I'm consuming is just pure squeezed liquid juice and water. I havent had any euphoria, or spaciness on this fast like i did on the last one. I even went to work the day before yestereday, worked 8 hours, and literally felt anabolic the whole time!!!! Went to work yesterday too, didnt feel as good as i did the day before, but not bad either. Its crazy how i can do what i do at my job, and not even get tired, while juice feasting! My job is fairly physical too. Feels like im not fasting... i feel like im inadvertently doing something wrong.

I gained new veins from my 7 day juice feast last time around, kept them, and as of today, on day 7 of this one, i am gaining even more now.

I am losing zero muscle this time around. My muscles feel anabolic actually. As far as total weight loss goes this time around, i feel like ive only lost about 2/3 compared to where i was at on day 7 last time.

Ive explained detailed symptoms to cdsnuts, that maybe too much info for me to post right here, and he definitely gave me some what i know were good and positive words, and even some here in this thread, but i still have a PFS brain.

Im doing everything the exact same as i did on my first juice feast. I use the nutmilk bag to strain the pulp, and my juice comes out as pure thin liquid juice. Pure juice. But even like last time, i still get a few tiny MINIATURE little particles here and there in the drink, (a very miniscule amount) like from the greens. About the size of a grain of sand. I seem to have gotten a tiny bit more of them during this fast, as opposed to the last, but not much at all. Its really fucking miniscule. Sometimes there will be zero in the entire drink! At times i will even stick a measuring cup in there (1/2 tsp), and try to get them out. At this point, its like, fuck it, just stop worrying and just drink the goddamn juice!!

I am trying to make sure NOT to activate my digestive system. Fuck it, im gonna explain the gross details. Urine is usually yellow in the morning, then progressively changes to a clear color later on in the day. Stools, i cant get into detail right here, but there are signs that make me think im doing the right thing, then there are signs that make me think im doing it wrong. Its more of a mind fuck than anything.


Ive been stuck on the juice feast/ water fast part of the protocol for the longest time. Just "stuck" in the beginning. Its gotten old. I just want to be done with this fasting shit forever, and put this behind me finally. And know i did the right thing. I wouldnt mind doing pure water fasting, if i could do so at home.

I have seen others here get these crazy good results from herbs and fasting, (like spontaneous erections) and shit like that, but not me. Ive gotten benefits, but no new sexual benefits from the herbs and fasting. With the herbs, on certain times, they have increased libido slightly, but nothing really new or extreme/profound. Actually, I may have gotten a slight sexual benefit from the 7 day juice feast, but i still had some downswings too like always. So that fucks with my head. I just want these benefits! So this is why i felt that deep down inside i should come back for a 14 day juice feast. Shit i wish i could WATER fast!

If someone could say to me, in these exact words "YOU"RE FINE, STUPID!! JUST KEEP GOING!!!!", then i will finally stop worrying, and be able to finish the rest of this juice feast with a positive attitude. I still have a pfs brain in this area apparently.

[Durantia37]

Don't worry about the pulp. Get as much strained out as you can, but don't stress over it. You're not doing anything wrong as far as I can tell, you just have to be patient.

I know that feeling of being "stuck" at the beginning of the protocol. I felt the same way. But now I regret not cleansing longer. If I could start over, I would feast for like 4 or 5 weeks. Keep that in mind. You're in a very powerful position actually, though it doesn't seem like it. You're in the position of being right in the middle of a good cleanse, right in the swing of things, and all you have to do is let that momentum keep carrying you as long as possible. Every week of feasting is worth at least two weeks of protocol.

Think of it like this: for me, too far into the protocol to go back, my foundation is what it is: pretty good, but not ultra-perfect-squeaky-clean. And now I'm stuck with that for the long run. You have the flexibility right now to make your foundation as clean as you want. And it takes, what, a few weeks? Totally worth it.

Also, like I've said to you before, it was four or five weeks after re-feeding before I started really feeling the herbs. And I do a shit ton of them too: pp powder, pp tincture, shilajit, AND the daily rotation herb.

[Cdsnuts]

Don't worry about the pulp. Get as much strained out as you can, but don't stress over it. You're not doing anything wrong as far as I can tell, you just have to be patient.

I know that feeling of being "stuck" at the beginning of the protocol. I felt the same way. But now I regret not cleansing longer. If I could start over, I would feast for like 4 or 5 weeks. Keep that in mind. You're in a very powerful position actually, though it doesn't seem like it. You're in the position of being right in the middle of a good cleanse, right in the swing of things, and all you have to do is let that momentum keep carrying you as long as possible. Every week of feasting is worth at least two weeks of protocol.

Think of it like this: for me, too far into the protocol to go back, my foundation is what it is: pretty good, but not ultra-perfect-squeaky-clean. And now I'm stuck with that for the long run. You have the flexibility right now to make your foundation as clean as you want. And it takes, what, a few weeks? Totally worth it.

Also, like I've said to you before, it was four or five weeks after re-feeding before I started really feeling the herbs. And I do a shit ton of them too: pp powder, pp tincture, shilajit, AND the daily rotation herb.

You're never stuck my friend. What you do is all up to you.

[K8668B]

Don't worry about the pulp. Get as much strained out as you can, but don't stress over it. You're not doing anything wrong as far as I can tell, you just have to be patient.

I know that feeling of being "stuck" at the beginning of the protocol. I felt the same way. But now I regret not cleansing longer. If I could start over, I would feast for like 4 or 5 weeks. Keep that in mind. You're in a very powerful position actually, though it doesn't seem like it. You're in the position of being right in the middle of a good cleanse, right in the swing of things, and all you have to do is let that momentum keep carrying you as long as possible. Every week of feasting is worth at least two weeks of protocol.

Think of it like this: for me, too far into the protocol to go back, my foundation is what it is: pretty good, but not ultra-perfect-squeaky-clean. And now I'm stuck with that for the long run. You have the flexibility right now to make your foundation as clean as you want. And it takes, what, a few weeks? Totally worth it.

Also, like I've said to you before, it was four or five weeks after re-feeding before I started really feeling the herbs. And I do a shit ton of them too: pp powder, pp tincture, shilajit, AND the daily rotation herb.

i appreciate that, durantia.

and nice deal on the herbs. i only have 9 and was cycling 9, along with shiljiat resin daily. i liked the shilajit resin actually... got a tiny boost from it sexually. i also have the PP tincture, but i was using that as one of my daily rotation herbs. i heard the pp powder was much better though. they daily ones run out fast though. im gonna try to acquire all 3 and use them as a daily herb like you are. good stuff man.

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You're never stuck my friend. What you do is all up to you.

true cdsnuts. but what do you think about my symptoms that i mentioned in my most recent post just now? im almost finished with day 8 now, by the way, for what its worth.

[K8668B]

Alright! That's it! im considering breaking my fast. Still going as we speak. Im pretty sure i just activated my digestive system as of about 90 minutes ago. i drank a juice that consisted of a large cucumber, lettuce, celery, 2 carrots, 2 pears, kale, spinach, lettuce, and romaine. came out in pure liquid form. it was a little bit over a quart. there was a miniscule amount of pulp at the bottom, and i saw it and didnt drink it. i still drank the rest of the drink... it looked and felt like pure liquid to me.

I have been passing light gas for the last 90 minutes. and my stomach keeps rumbling each time before i do it. It keeps rumbling persistently. 90 minutes later its still doing it. This has been the biggest negative sign since the entire fast. THIS... combined with everything else ive mentioned throughout this whole fast attempt. i feel fine right now... i must not be fasting. i must not be getting anything out of this. money and time wasted, and once again I LOSE MY FUCKING SIZE!

I have been once again screwed by inadvertent bullshit and trivial shit. My intentions have been nothing but good, and my work ethic and determination towards beating PFS has been extremely high this whole time. My enthusiasm for this is very high. This is all i have in life, and its all i care about in life, and beating PFS is the answer to all of my problems, and my ticket to a happy life. Im really fucking pissed off. I havent felt this shitty in 4 months.

WHY??? I keep getting fucking screwed one way or another!

[Durantia37]

That doesn't necessarily mean you're activating your digestive system, and even if you were, it's not gonna ruin your fast. Keep in mind that even a raw vegan diet can be a powerful cleansing tool. Given that fact, one tiny little "activation" of your digestive system doesn't just shut down cleansing. Sounds like you're just being paranoid/living in your head too much.

Personally, I noticed a cumulative effect from fasting and feasting. I went back and forth a few times, sometimes eating for as long as a week, and when I dropped back into fasting I could get back into a super clean-feeling ketosis high within ten hours, as if I hadnt taken any time off at all.

Cleansing seems to have a kind of momentum that overrides even significant slip-ups, and yours aren't even significant.

[K8668B]

That doesn't necessarily mean you're activating your digestive system, and even if you were, it's not gonna ruin your fast. Keep in mind that even a raw vegan diet can be a powerful cleansing tool. Given that fact, one tiny little "activation" of your digestive system doesn't just shut down cleansing. Sounds like you're just being paranoid/living in your head too much.

Personally, I noticed a cumulative effect from fasting and feasting. I went back and forth a few times, sometimes eating for as long as a week, and when I dropped back into fasting I could get back into a super clean-feeling ketosis high within ten hours, as if I hadnt taken any time off at all.

Cleansing seems to have a kind of momentum that overrides even significant slip-ups, and yours aren't even significant.


Omg! Thank you Durantia. You have saved my fast. You're 100% right, and those are the best words you could have said to me!! I'm very paranoid and inside of my own head too! That and everything else you said, THIS is what i needed to hear!

[Durantia37]

You're never stuck my friend. What you do is all up to you.

Funny you mention that, I've actually been feeling sort of heavy and dehydrated from all this meat and fat. I was thinking about doing a cleanse for that reason. Won't be able to swing it until the beginning of August, unfortunately.

[Cdsnuts]

Alright! That's it! im considering breaking my fast. Still going as we speak. Im pretty sure i just activated my digestive system as of about 90 minutes ago. i drank a juice that consisted of a large cucumber, lettuce, celery, 2 carrots, 2 pears, kale, spinach, lettuce, and romaine. came out in pure liquid form. it was a little bit over a quart. there was a miniscule amount of pulp at the bottom, and i saw it and didnt drink it. i still drank the rest of the drink... it looked and felt like pure liquid to me.

I have been passing light gas for the last 90 minutes. and my stomach keeps rumbling each time before i do it. It keeps rumbling persistently. 90 minutes later its still doing it. This has been the biggest negative sign since the entire fast. THIS... combined with everything else ive mentioned throughout this whole fast attempt. i feel fine right now... i must not be fasting. i must not be getting anything out of this. money and time wasted, and once again I LOSE MY FUCKING SIZE!

I have been once again screwed by inadvertent bullshit and trivial shit. My intentions have been nothing but good, and my work ethic and determination towards beating PFS has been extremely high this whole time. My enthusiasm for this is very high. This is all i have in life, and its all i care about in life, and beating PFS is the answer to all of my problems, and my ticket to a happy life. Im really fucking pissed off. I havent felt this shitty in 4 months.

WHY??? I keep getting fucking screwed one way or another!

You need to calm down....breathe...and more importantly.....DON'T BREAK THE FEAST! You need to ride it out. Did you not read what I wrote a few posts up? You are NOT activating your digestive system with minimal pulp...you're not.

One of the signs of detox is mental agitation, negative emotions and everything else you're writing about.....THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT....YOU'RE DETOXING. Keep feasting.....don't stop.

Remember what I said about guy having to get out of their own way.....GET OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY!! Let your body and brain do what it needs to. It's NOT going to be a comfortable ride. You are clearly going through the mental gymnastics of neurological detoxification.

You need to sit back, and become the observer of this.....realize that it will pass. And in letting it pass unencumbered, you will be a better man for it. DON'T BREAK THE FEAST.

[K8668B]

You need to calm down....breathe...and more importantly.....DON'T BREAK THE FEAST! You need to ride it out. Did you not read what I wrote a few posts up? You are NOT activating your digestive system with minimal pulp...you're not.

One of the signs of detox is mental agitation, negative emotions and everything else you're writing about.....THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT....YOU'RE DETOXING. Keep feasting.....don't stop.

Remember what I said about guy having to get out of their own way.....GET OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY!! Let your body and brain do what it needs to. It's NOT going to be a comfortable ride. You are clearly going through the mental gymnastics of neurological detoxification.

You need to sit back, and become the observer of this.....realize that it will pass. And in letting it pass unencumbered, you will be a better man for it. DON'T BREAK THE FEAST.

Thank you for this message cd! Im done with my negativity. This message and Durantias message are the best ways you could have worded it to me. I literally could not have continued this feast further without you guys. Im still fasting too. Cd you've gone 110% out of your wayd towards me and my rants and craziness. Thank you brotha!

[Cdsnuts]

Thank you for this message cd! Im done with my negativity. This message and Durantias message are the best ways you could have worded it to me. I literally could not have continued this feast further without you guys. Im still fasting too. Cd you've gone 110% out of your wayd towards me and my rants and craziness. Thank you brotha!

I truly want you to see what I'm talking about and the only way that is going to happen is if you stay the course and follow my advice and the advice of the other guys that have been diligently working to better themselves. Take it to heart when Durantia tells you he wished he would have feasted longer. I watched him stuggle....greatly...in the beginning. But he stuck it out after several heated back and forth conversations, and NOW he understands what I'm talking about which is why he is saying what he is saying. These things unfortunately HAVE to be experienced for you to finally GET IT. It is the ONLY way you will be on the plane of understanding as what I'm im trying to get acrossed. Listen to these other guys.

You will just be in that much better a position when you start with the herbs and so forth. Don't forget about the cold showers either. I know they suck, but they build iron will that can't be created any other way. This goes loooong way for creating the new you.

[biatch]

What if I wanted to run another water fasting but I already started to cycling herbs from 1.5 months?
Is that convenient to drop it all and start it back from scratch?
I wish I had run at least 10 days water-fasting cause at the beginning of the protocol I just run 4 days water fasting and I guess it was not enought, I mean.. I feel I do need it now!
What do you think about it?

[Cdsnuts]

What if I wanted to run another water fasting but I already started to cycling herbs from 1.5 months?
Is that convenient to drop it all and start it back from scratch?
I wish I had run at least 10 days water-fasting cause at the beginning of the protocol I just run 4 days water fasting and I guess it was not enought, I mean.. I feel I do need it now!
What do you think about it?

Start over. You guys don't understand how important the initial cleanse is.

[biatch]

Start over. You guys don't understand how important the initial cleanse is.

...Yes I am realizing more and more since I am on the protocol... I guess that is "crucial" .
I will start it soon from the scratch then.
Thanks

[K8668B]

Definitely cdsnuts, i hear ya! Makes sense too. And thank you for that!

Well almost finished with day 9 of the feast! I feel so much better. I've actually been having mild/light euphoria for the last few hours! First time since the whole feast. I hope this feeling stays. Day 6-8 ish seemed really bad. I do feel serene and good! Maybe i will go through another detox phase? Hmm... not sure, but im happy and i know im on the right track, and ive been doing it right this whole time. How silly of me to think otherwise. Damn i was mental yesterday!

Im a huge fan of the rocky balboa movies. Rocky 4 is my favorite in the series. Been watching clips from all 6 of the movies, and especially the training montage scenes... they get me pumped up when i think about this battle that im fighting towards pfs!

We had severe rain and grey skies here in the north central florida area for the last 7 days or so. That could have also put me in a bad mood at the time too. It cleared it up today and was nice out. I don't know how long it will stay for, but it is what it is.

Anyways, still going! Happy feasting everyone!

[Cdsnuts]

...Yes I am realizing more and more since I am on the protocol... I guess that is "crucial" .
I will start it soon from the scratch then.
Thanks

Everything in the protocol is there for a reason. It ALL has it's place.

[Swill]

We had severe rain and grey skies here in the north central florida area for the last 7 days or so. That could have also put me in a bad mood at the time too. It cleared it up today and was nice out.

For the love of fuck, NEVER move to the UK in that case.

[K8668B]

For the love of fuck, NEVER move to the UK in that case.

Lol

[Cdsnuts]

For the love of fuck, NEVER move to the UK in that case.

I couldn't live there for this reason alone. The over casts skies greatly effect my mood. I NEED my sun.

[Swill]

The sun almost came out today. It was a good day.

[DrivenToRecover]

I couldn't live there for this reason alone. The over casts skies greatly effect my mood. I NEED my sun.

What's your opinion on tanning beds?

[Cdsnuts]

What's your opinion on tanning beds?

Natural is best....always. I feel that there is a small place for them, but even then they don't contain the full spectrum that sunlight does. There is nothing easier then just going outside for 20 minutes a day and soaking it up.

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The sun almost came out today. It was a good day.

Ugh....man...lol

[K8668B]

The sun is so good for you. I literally try to take in as much as i can these days.

It was much nicer today, but we still had some thunderstorms down here. Its been coming and going for the last 12 days or so.

Almost done with day 10... was feeling really loopy for awhile today. I could feel the detoxing. But not necessarily terrible either.

[Maxout777]

What's your opinion on tanning beds?

Kinda off topic from a regular tanning bed, but I've been looking at the red light tanning beds for the house......apparently red light therapy is really good for you.

[Holistic]

The sun is so good for you. I literally try to take in as much as i can these days.

It was much nicer today, but we still had some thunderstorms down here. Its been coming and going for the last 12 days or so.

Almost done with day 10... was feeling really loopy for awhile today. I could feel the detoxing. But not necessarily terrible either.

Keep it up You are almost there! I did 11 - 1/2 days of feasting and regret not completing the 2 weeks.

[Benq123]

Kinda off topic from a regular tanning bed, but I've been looking at the red light tanning beds for the house......apparently red light therapy is really good for you.

Near infrared saunas are extremely good for detoxification, but they are expensive.

[K8668B]

Keep it up You are almost there! I did 11 - 1/2 days of feasting and regret not completing the 2 weeks.

You could always go back and do another cleanse! its never too late!

[K8668B]

Almost finished with day 11. It was a good day. Also, i had an incident very similar to what happened a few days ago, but im not even sweating it this time ;).. i know i didnt activate my digestive system.

Also, my dick has been feeling like a noodle for a good amount of this feast. Well not everyday, and ive had worse, but yeah. lol... should i worry about this or just laugh it off? During my first juice feast a month my libido was crazy! (i guess from the euphoria of a first cleanse). I just wonder why its not been like this during the 2nd cleasnse. Eh who knows..

[K8668B]

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Wow!! Cdsnuts, im sure you remember this link. This is what you posted the day you announced on Propecia Help that you were finally cured, years ago. Ive obviously looked at that thread many times. Even seen this link. But now that im currently in a deep cleansing juice feast as we speak, i read this link a little more thoroughly just now.

After days of worrying about certain symptoms, like stools, and urine, (i probably shouldnt even mention this stuff cause its kinda gross LOL), come to find out, I REALLY HAVE been doing this right the whole time, and detoxing alot! Just like you said, as well. Waaaay better than a 7 day juice feast. I now believe that this current cleanse has been SO MUCH MORE beneficial than the first one. Holy shit! I feel so good right now.

I am ALMOST contemplating extending this from 14 days, to 21 days. Maybe....

I seem to have lost ZERO muscle this time around. Weightwise, i have no clue... i chose not to weigh myself this time around, so i dont let the "numbers" fuck with my head. Its been a good idea too. Ive lost some weight, but nowhere near as much as the first time.

In a sense, i kinda want to get back to food, and coffee, the gym, and stuff like that. But well see. I'll weigh myself on day 14.

Also ive kinda been talking to a new girl. I work with her. She knows what im dealing with... after what shes seen me do, (i think shes been somewhat impressed with my discipline) and me dodging her questions, she finally got the truth out of me, lol. Cool ass chic! Beautiful too! Ehhh... idk... one day at a time. ;)

I feel really good right now!

Omg... i really AM going to be healed one day... wow... :) :)

Shit just got good!!!!! We got this guys!!!!

[Cdsnuts]

Just so you know....my libido (or what tiny little existed) completely went away during ANY type of cleanse that I've done. This is just the way it is. Your body isn't going to expend energy on reproduction when it is busy cleaning house......priorities. That's the way it works. Don't sweat it.

[Cdsnuts]

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Wow!! Cdsnuts, im sure you remember this link. This is what you posted the day you announced on Propecia Help that you were finally cured, years ago. Ive obviously looked at that thread many times. Even seen this link. But now that im currently in a deep cleansing juice feast as we speak, i read this link a little more thoroughly just now.

After days of worrying about certain symptoms, like stools, and urine, (i probably shouldnt even mention this stuff cause its kinda gross LOL), come to find out, I REALLY HAVE been doing this right the whole time, and detoxing alot! Just like you said, as well. Waaaay better than a 7 day juice feast. I now believe that this current cleanse has been SO MUCH MORE beneficial than the first one. Holy shit! I feel so good right now.

I am ALMOST contemplating extending this from 14 days, to 21 days. Maybe....

I seem to have lost ZERO muscle this time around. Weightwise, i have no clue... i chose not to weigh myself this time around, so i dont let the "numbers" fuck with my head. Its been a good idea too. Ive lost some weight, but nowhere near as much as the first time.

In a sense, i kinda want to get back to food, and coffee, the gym, and stuff like that. But well see. I'll weigh myself on day 14.

Also ive kinda been talking to a new girl. I work with her. She knows what im dealing with... after what shes seen me do, (i think shes been somewhat impressed with my discipline) and me dodging her questions, she finally got the truth out of me, lol. Cool ass chic! Beautiful too! Ehhh... idk... one day at a time. ;)

I feel really good right now!

Omg... i really AM going to be healed one day... wow... :) :)

Shit just got good!!!!! We got this guys!!!!

The longer you go, the deeper and more productive the cleanse....keep that in mind.

[Durantia37]

Just so you know....my libido (or what tiny little existed) completely went away during ANY type of cleanse that I've done. This is just the way it is. Your body isn't going to expend energy on reproduction when it is busy cleaning house......priorities. That's the way it works. Don't sweat it.

Same.

[K8668B]

Almost finished with day 13 of a 14-21 day juice feast.

The last two days were awesome. Had some slight euphoria 2 days ago, and even some more yesterday. Had a good day at work yesterday, and got some nice attention from a few ladies, including the one im kind of talking to. Went home with a higher libido from it, and also had this calm relaxed happy feeling. I ended up going to sleep at 9pm last night, and it was a deep sleep. Woke up at 6am also.

Had some really good detoxing this morning. Like mentioned in the juice feast link i posted in my last post. (the one cd posted when he announced he was cured years ago on PH).

However, like during my last feast, i had an incident today at work where i drank one of my juices somewhat fast. But we were busy and i was thirsty/hungry. So busy that i was running around like a chicken with his head cut off! It had been 2 hrs since i drank the last one. had a tiny stomachache temporarily, but i took care of it fast, and immediatetly felt fine again. The stomach ache on my first fast when i did the same thing (accidentally) was way more intense.

I hope that didnt "negate" some of the benefits of the cleanse. But like durantia said, i should stop living in my head and being paranoid.

I read about negating benefits of a juice feast on this link, by breaking a fast and eating too much too soon, which could cause severe stomach aches and cramping. So that got in my head (even though i didnt do that). But last time i got a huge stomach ache DURING the feast. This time, it was very minimal.

I know it sounds stupid, and it was very minimal today, (and i know i shouldnt worry), but i just thought id put it out there.

[jjbradley2211]

I'm rooting for you man...keep with it

[biatch]

Congrats for what you are doing!.. Great job!

[K8668B]

Thanks you guys!

[Holistic]

Thanks you guys!

Almost there man keep it up! How are you feeling?

[K8668B]

Almost there man keep it up! How are you feeling?

Thanks!

I feel good! I've gotten used to it. Feels like im not even "fasting". I know i've gotten some very good detoxing out of this one, things even happened that didnt happen during my first fast. I am missing coffee, and the gym, and just eating in general though lol. I know a black coffee would be better, but for days ive been craving a dunkin donuts extra large coffee with 5 creams 5 sugars. That would be delicious! Lol. And im missing my quest brand cookies and cream protein powder. Haha. Feeling good. One day at a time!

[Durantia37]

Lol, looking at food is like watching porn when you're on a cleanse. People kept offering me cake and stuff at work and it made everything that much harder. You get to where even eating an apple seems like the greatest experience anyone could ever have.

[K8668B]

Lol, looking at food is like watching porn when you're on a cleanse. People kept offering me cake and stuff at work and it made everything that much harder. You get to where even eating an apple seems like the greatest experience anyone could ever have.

Hahah for sure! I was even getting offered free meals at work! (they didnt know i was juice feasting though). But we normally have to pay at least half price for our meals. But ironically of all times to get offered a free meal. TWICE. If i was eating my regular diet, then this would have never happened. What a jynx! LOL!

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Finished my originally planned 14 days!

Day 15. Still going. One day at a time. Ill see how I feel. I do in a sense want to get back to reality, but like i said, well see!

[Cdsnuts]

Hahah for sure! I was even getting offered free meals at work! (they didnt know i was juice feasting though). But we normally have to pay at least half price for our meals. But ironically of all times to get offered a free meal. TWICE. If i was eating my regular diet, then this would have never happened. What a jynx! LOL!

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Finished my originally planned 14 days!

Day 15. Still going. One day at a time. Ill see how I feel. I do in a sense want to get back to reality, but like i said, well see!

Good going man.

[biatch]

I admire you as I admire all guys did this!...I have tried water fasting so I know what it means!

[Swill]

Lol, looking at food is like watching porn when you're on a cleanse. People kept offering me cake and stuff at work and it made everything that much harder. You get to where even eating an apple seems like the greatest experience anyone could ever have.

Man, when I was in True North people that were fasting were sat in front of the TV watching the food channel. THE FUCKING FOOD CHANNEL!!!!1111oneone

[Durantia37]

Man, when I was in True North people that were fasting were sat in front of the TV watching the food channel. THE FUCKING FOOD CHANNEL!!!!1111oneone

Haha I can actually see myself doing that, idiotic as it sounds. I would torture myself by going through and thoroughly smelling all the food in my house. Even opening up peanut butter jars, etc. It helped in some weird way.

[K8668B]

Lol. I did the same a couple of times myself. I crave food, love the smell of it, even put the food to my nose a couple of times to to sniff, but i can easily hold off from eating it.

[Swill]

Lol. I did the same a couple of times myself. I crave food, love the smell of it, even put the food to my nose a couple of times to to sniff, but i can easily hold off from eating it.

Fuck that, get that beautiful fantastic smelling shit away from me or ill start sobbing.

[K8668B]

Broke my fast today. I ended up going approximately 15 1/2 days. Got some great detoxing and cleansing out of this.

I now have a 7 1/2 day juice feast, and a 15 1/2 day juice feast under my belt. I believe, and feel like i can now finally say that I am actually, truly on the protocol now. Im not looking back now, or worrying about stupid shit.

My stats. Down from 175lbs to 153lbs. 22 lbs lost total. My abdominals were crazy before, but now they're ridiculous and even more defined. I hate being thinner, but i love how ive become even more shredded. I might even post a pic of it. I feel like its the perfect foundation for whats to come.

I couldnt have completed this fast without the help of the guys on this forum. You guys were there rooting for me, and were there when i wanted to quit, and encouraged me to keep going. Thank you all for that! Sometimes i make things harder than what they are, by getting in my own head too much, and literally standing in my own way! Im so glad i stuck with it, because i know i got some great detoxing and benefits from it! I really hope to see that new baseline after a few weeks of eating/protocol. And from there to continue going up, ultimately being healed 100%. Been over a decade in the making.

So here we go... AT LAST! One day at a time...

Each day upon waking, the battle begins all over again. You are the master of your destiny.

[jjbradley2211]

Broke my fast today. I ended up going approximately 15 1/2 days. Got some great detoxing and cleansing out of this.

I now have a 7 1/2 day juice feast, and a 15 1/2 day juice feast under my belt. I believe, and feel like i can now finally say that I am actually, truly on the protocol now. Im not looking back now, or worrying about stupid shit.

My stats. Down from 175lbs to 153lbs. 22 lbs lost total. My abdominals were crazy before, but now they're ridiculous and even more defined. I hate being thinner, but i love how ive become even more shredded. I might even post a pic of it. I feel like its the perfect foundation for whats to come.

I couldnt have completed this fast without the help of the guys on this forum. You guys were there rooting for me, and were there when i wanted to quit, and encouraged me to keep going. Thank you all for that! Sometimes i make things harder than what they are, by getting in my own head too much, and literally standing in my own way! Im so glad i stuck with it, because i know i got some great detoxing and benefits from it! I really hope to see that new baseline after a few weeks of eating/protocol. And from there to continue going up, ultimately being healed 100%. Been over a decade in the making.

So here we go... AT LAST! One day at a time...

Each day upon waking, the battle begins all over again. You are the master of your destiny.

Congrats Man! Looking forward to tracking you progress as you begin the post fast protocol.

I start my water fast next week so hopefully I am not too far behind you brother.

Also welcome to the 150 pound club where your abs are always present :)

[Durantia37]

Good luck man. I hope you've got a good plan in place for how to re-feed?

[K8668B]

Congrats Man! Looking forward to tracking you progress as you begin the post fast protocol.

I start my water fast next week so hopefully I am not too far behind you brother.

Also welcome to the 150 pound club where your abs are always present :)

Good luck to you! And thank you! I've already gained back 7 lbs in 8 hours since eating. Its coming back quick! My goal is to be about 180-185 ish, super shredded/super lean. small waist, aesthetic. And of course, even more importantly, a NON-PFS dick! Once and for all finally! Either 100% or 110%

[K8668B]

Good luck man. I hope you've got a good plan in place for how to re-feed?

Thanks. Yes, i did my research for awhile on how to break a fast. I started off light with an apple, felt fine... 30 min later pieces of a watermelon, felt fine... then an hour later, 2 of these soy free/gluten free cookies at vitamin shoppe, felt fine... then an hour later i had a peanut butter sandwich on gluten free bread.. felt fine.. then later on some protein powder. And i still feel fine. Had some eggs just now too. Obviously im still careful not to overdo it, but i just listened to my body. Thank god.. cause apparently they tell you to just eat like an apple a day and a salad a day for 3 whole days after breaking the fast. Thank god i didnt have to do that lame ass shit! I wouldve if i had to though. I swear i have the worlds fastest metabolism, LOL! My whole life. Ive already gained back about 8 lbs in less than 12 hours! I wouldnt recommend this to others though. This is just how it was with me. I don't know how, or why, but ill take it!

Diet after the fast is paleo, and basically everything CD mentioned. This is what ive been doing since i joined the forum in february, when i chickened out on my first juice feast, and also after my 7 day juice feast. But i wanted to know that i wasnt cheating myself, and go back and get the 14 day (15 day) juice feast under my belt.

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks. Yes, i did my research for awhile on how to break a fast. I started off light with an apple, felt fine... 30 min later pieces of a watermelon, felt fine... then an hour later, 2 of these soy free/gluten free cookies at vitamin shoppe, felt fine... then an hour later i had a peanut butter sandwich on gluten free bread.. felt fine.. then later on some protein powder. And i still feel fine. Had some eggs just now too. Obviously im still careful not to overdo it, but i just listened to my body. Thank god.. cause apparently they tell you to just eat like an apple a day and a salad a day for 3 whole days after breaking the fast. Thank god i didnt have to do that lame ass shit! I wouldve if i had to though. I swear i have the worlds fastest metabolism, LOL! My whole life. Ive already gained back about 8 lbs in less than 12 hours! I wouldnt recommend this to others though. This is just how it was with me. I don't know how, or why, but ill take it!

Diet after the fast is paleo, and basically everything CD mentioned. This is what ive been doing since i joined the forum in february, when i chickened out on my first juice feast, and also after my 7 day juice feast. But i wanted to know that i wasnt cheating myself, and go back and get the 14 day (15 day) juice feast under my belt.

You went a little too quick on the refeed. ALWAYS stay raw for the first two days or so then slowly incorporate more solid foods into your diet. You'll be fine, so don't stress, but you did go to regular food a bit too quick.

[K8668B]

Yes, cdsnuts, i agree.

I wouldnt recommend what i did to anyone. I wasnt even trying to refeed that quickly, but it just kinda happened. This morning I even had a small black coffee, and for the first time in over 2 weeks, i finally felt ALIVE again! This good feeling has stayed with me all day!

Im not gonna stress or worry about this. I did not "negate" any of the benefits of my fast, nor did i cancel out my fast or anything like that. I feel like when i started my 15 day fast, its like i started right where i left off from my first fast. And things happened (not gonna go into inappropriate gross details), and i got alot of detoxing out of this 2nd juice feast.

So as of yesterday, 6-21-2017, i am finally on the protocol. I had been stuck on the fasting part for so damn long! Fasting is a great thing, but im literally sick to death of it, and having it stuck in my head. I did it, twice, for a combined total of 23 days, so im not gonna worry about it, and im going to move on with the protocol, and move on with my life! Its behind me. I need to stop worrying about fasting for my own sanity. I DID IT!

[K8668B]

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Also, here is a pic of me at the end of my 15 1/2 day juice feast.

I was down to 153lbs from my natural 175 lbs. My abs were good before, but now theyre just plain ridiculous!

This is not to be arrogant or cocky in a way. Im just really proud of this, and wanted to show it. I believe i just laid out a good foundation for whats to come. Although getting my sexual function back 100% is my top priority, ive been into bodybuilding my whole life, and a secondary goal is to achieve the physique of my dreams as well.

[Cdsnuts]

Yes, cdsnuts, i agree.

I wouldnt recommend what i did to anyone. I wasnt even trying to refeed that quickly, but it just kinda happened. This morning I even had a small black coffee, and for the first time in over 2 weeks, i finally felt ALIVE again! This good feeling has stayed with me all day!

Im not gonna stress or worry about this. I did not "negate" any of the benefits of my fast, nor did i cancel out my fast or anything like that. I feel like when i started my 15 day fast, its like i started right where i left off from my first fast. And things happened (not gonna go into inappropriate gross details), and i got alot of detoxing out of this 2nd juice feast.

So as of yesterday, 6-21-2017, i am finally on the protocol. I had been stuck on the fasting part for so damn long! Fasting is a great thing, but im literally sick to death of it, and having it stuck in my head. I did it, twice, for a combined total of 23 days, so im not gonna worry about it, and im going to move on with the protocol, and move on with my life! Its behind me. I need to stop worrying about fasting for my own sanity. I DID IT!

You've BEEN on the protocol my friend. The feast/fast IS the first part of it.

And yes, now you can move on to the good parts.....

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Also, here is a pic of me at the end of my 15 1/2 day juice feast.

I was down to 153lbs from my natural 175 lbs. My abs were good before, but now theyre just plain ridiculous!

This is not to be arrogant or cocky in a way. Im just really proud of this, and wanted to show it. I believe i just laid out a good foundation for whats to come. Although getting my sexual function back 100% is my top priority, ive been into bodybuilding my whole life, and a secondary goal is to achieve the physique of my dreams as well.

Shredded!

Now keep the body fat down and pack on the muscle, which will happen naturally by following what is laid out for you.

Great job.

[Master Mal]

Damn dude, you could grind meat on those things.

[K8668B]

Well obviously nothing new sexually with me ive noticed. But thats not what im here to talk about at the moment. It's only been a week since i broke my 15 day fast. But i dont feel necessarily bad in that department either.

What i wanted to talk about right now is gluten. I avoid gluten like the plague. But a few hours ago, i went to the supermarket, got some good stuff, and got two of those larry's soy free protein cookies. the big ones. 16 grams of protein per cookie. Ive had these before, loved them, had no problem. But they were the smaller ones. I swear i thought they had no gluten in them. Then for 20 minutes after i ate one, i felt like shit for no apparent reason. My mood just went down!! I looked at the ingredients and saw wheat gluten.

Im obviously not freaking out over this. Im not going to go crazy and feel like i have to fast again. And the negative feeling has already went away obviously. But wow gluten is powerfully negative! I just wanted to reemphasize what CD and his website says about how bad it is! Holy shit did i feel that! Terrible! Fuck gluten!

[Cdsnuts]

Well obviously nothing new sexually with me ive noticed. But thats not what im here to talk about at the moment. It's only been a week since i broke my 15 day fast. But i dont feel necessarily bad in that department either.

What i wanted to talk about right now is gluten. I avoid gluten like the plague. But a few hours ago, i went to the supermarket, got some good stuff, and got two of those larry's soy free protein cookies. the big ones. 16 grams of protein per cookie. Ive had these before, loved them, had no problem. But they were the smaller ones. I swear i thought they had no gluten in them. Then for 20 minutes after i ate one, i felt like shit for no apparent reason. My mood just went down!! I looked at the ingredients and saw wheat gluten.

Im obviously not freaking out over this. Im not going to go crazy and feel like i have to fast again. And the negative feeling has already went away obviously. But wow gluten is powerfully negative! I just wanted to reemphasize what CD and his website says about how bad it is! Holy shit did i feel that! Terrible! Fuck gluten!
I immediately know when I've been glutened as within 15 minutes of ingesting it I get completely congested and stuffed up. Then an hour or two later the horrendous gas starts. The neurological effects will develop if I happen to eat it for more than a day or two.

That's just the beginning. There's certainly a reason why it's recommended to stay away from

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[K8668B]

I immediately know when I've been glutened as within 15 minutes of ingesting it I get completely congested and stuffed up. Then an hour or two later the horrendous gas starts. The neurological effects will develop if I happen to eat it for more than a day or two.

That's just the beginning. There's certainly a reason why it's recommended to stay away from

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For sure! It's that damn bad!

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I immediately know when I've been glutened as within 15 minutes of ingesting it I get completely congested and stuffed up. Then an hour or two later the horrendous gas starts. The neurological effects will develop if I happen to eat it for more than a day or two.

That's just the beginning. There's certainly a reason why it's recommended to stay away from

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For sure! It's that damn bad!

[Swill]

You're at a particularly sensitive time having come out of a fast/feast too. Sometimes it can be too much/too soon for your digestive system and it's letting you know as such. This happened a few times with me. The worst cramps and shits ever!

[K8668B]

You're at a particularly sensitive time having come out of a fast/feast too. Sometimes it can be too much/too soon for your digestive system and it's letting you know as such. This happened a few times with me. The worst cramps and shits ever!

That would explain everything!

Last night was the only time ive consumed gluten since the fast, and in the last 4 months, ive probably only consumed gluten 2 times, including last night.

Also ive been having ridiculous gas in general since the fast. And it doesnt even feel like im eating all that much anyways. But ill have my typical shit in the morning, then its followed by this weird gas, that will stay with me for the next 3 hours. And this is even with an empty stomach. Ill take my herb in the morning, coffee, then gym immediately. It doesnt finally dissipate until 3 hours later. And the gas isnt even painful, and it doesnt cause cramps, but its just annoying. I've been having to alot of times just goto the bathroom and rip one, just so i dont do it front of a bunch of girls in the gym. lol. Its become somewhat disruptive.

Also ive been eating alot of collard greens in my protein shakes, because i ran out of kale and spinach. Need to get some more. Im going to stop with the collard greens. That could be contributing to it as well.

[K8668B]

Update-

I've had some ups and downs. Its been 12 days since breaking my fast. Not in a good mood right now.

For the last 2 or 3 days, before today, the gas went away. I stopped putting the collard greens in my protein shakes. And i would wake up in the morning, goto the bathroom as usual, and then no gas!

Up until today. Yesterday i was back to putting kale and spinach in my protein shakes. It tastes so good. I love it. Then i wake up today, goto the bathroom, and once again the gas is back. After im done with the bathroom, you would think im cleansed, and then strangely the gas comes back intense as hell afterwards, and doesnt finally dissipate until 3 hours later. I didnt have this problem before either. But i need to get my vegetables in, and i know its important, and a big part of this battle!

Also have some bad news. Due to my checks being lower lately, i was at a lack of funds. I purchased 3 new herbs from lost empire herbs, and dropped alot of money on some other things i needed. Its been tough since the juice feast. It really set me back. The one and only thing i truly hate about this pfs battle, is the financial aspect, and the technicalities... running around everyday, especially on my days off, trying to get everything i need. My days off from work are actually harder than my days at work. Somethings not right here about this. I think its still the beginning and just going through the initial learning curve. This lack recent lack of funds, and a certain inconvenience, caused something negative for me.

So i have everything i need at the moment, but im tight until next week. I am however, almost out of magnesium powder, and completely out of spinurella and chlorella, and cant do anything about that until the end of the week. Then i will be in a surplus, and stay in the surplus for awhile. However, ive been a vape smoker for the longest time, and that broke. I fixed the problem, thought i was gonna be good, then a new problem with it came about. I lost my temper and smashed it on the ground. Im running around everyday like a chicken with its head cut off, and i cant take the trivial shit anymore. Theres only so much time in the day. I try to get everything in too! And when you fix ONE thing, then it seems like another thing breaks! Its a jynx, its trivial, and i do not have time for it. That led to me smoking a few more cigarettes than i would like to. It almost made me sick... you can feel it. I hate cigarettes, and theyre disgusting. The lack of funds forced me to grab some smokes. I finally got a new vape, and im learning how to maintain it better. I will never smoke a cig again, they made me feel awful this time around. Even as a vaper, i always packed a lip here and there, and it never hurt me. But when i had more than usual recently... omg i could feel it! I do not drink, smoke weed, take pharms, or do any other bad shit.

As far as THAT goes, i pray that i do not have to do another cleanse! Ive done two, and i have a job and cant keep doing these on the job.. its getting embarassing.

Im now cycling 12 herbs. Was at 9 for awhile. But the financial aspect has made it take more time for me to acquire them. The 3 new ones i have are He Shou Wu, Horny goat weed, and shilijit powder.

However, i responded really well to the horny goat weed powder, a few days ago!! Ironic... just like back in the day how Prolab horny goat weed capsules always worked well for me. They contained horny goat weed, tribulus, maca, yohimbine, and gingko bilopa. I have always responded really well to horny goat weed and maca. Even the horny goat weed powder, or the prolab horny goat weed capsules back in the day, wasnt strong enough to trigger a "spontaneous" erection, it still made me alot more powerful, and whenever i was hugging on a woman, i would get aroused much easier and much faster. But like with any proprietary blend, the prolab horny goat weed capsules always lost effect after while. 10 days or so.

But nothing new lately really. No spontaneous erections, and no new morning wood. Other guys seem to respond really well to the herbs, and get spontaneous erections, and morning wood, and stuff like that from them. But not me. Yet im 100% healthy in other ways, have this incredible physique, but just the propecia sex drive. I dont get it. Im doing the same stuff as them, and i dont get any of these benefits. I dont know what the hell to do anymore, lmao... im just gonna keep doing the protocol. Its all i have. And its the only thing that makes sense. A dude named brongfongboy years ago on propeciahelp reported getting morning wood all the time, and all these great benefits from a 14 day water fast alone. But of course not me, and ive juice feasted for a combined total of 23 days between two fasts. Who the fuck knows lmao... could it be because i took actual propecia, and not saw palmetto, and took it for a very long time, (almost 8 years on and off)? Once again, who the fuck knows anymore... I dont know if these people were luckier than me, or worse off than i am, or if im worse off than they are.

The weight is coming back much slower this time around. I may have even lost more weight than i reported. Each scale gives me a different number, and they are so inaccurate and frustrating sometimes. But its still going up, and im still progressing in the gym. I am one crazy, genetically gifted athlete. I dont know how i have pulled all this off despite pfs. And it honestly means nothing to me if i dont have a dick. But in my ideal world, i would take both!

I just pray that i dont have to do another fast. As long as i know that that will always be behind me, then i can stop worrying.

I honestly think my body just needs some DHT, in the form of super r andro. But i want to wait 2-3 months, get back to my tip top genetic natural stats, (because ive maxed out so many times in the last decade, and i already know what the stats and levels are for me).

[jjbradley2211]

Hey a lot of this is has to do with our stress levels and I don't think stressing yourself out looking at your sexual competency after 12 days is helping. You said you've made a lot of strides in other areas which is great. I'd continue looking at the positives and continue with the regiment.

Remember this is a marathon not a sprint.

[Durantia37]

I wouldn't worry so much about doing every little thing every day to the point of stressing yourself out. I used to do the same thing, but I think it's much better to just relax, do what you can do, and try to have a semi-normal life. I was TERRIBLE about stressing out over every detail, and would spend every second of every day analyzing everything I did. It didn't help or matter.

Don't openly sabotage yourself by smoking cigs, etc., but you don't have to have a panic attack if you don't have magnesium for a week.

I think everyone has those same fears you were describing. I've wished several times that I did Finasteride instead of saw palmetto and have worried that I had it worse than anyone ever has and won't ever get better, etc. etc. You just have to stop worrying. Easier said than done, but it makes a huge difference.

[biatch]

Hey come on man, 12 days... Nothing alse to say.
It needs time to get back and see results. Since my last crash, I had 3 and half months with zero, and I mean ZERO erections at ALL...ZERO,NEVER EVER EVER with porno, hands, "my girlfriend"...impossible!
Now I can get it up 90% of the time at a full power.. so give it the time needed....................................

[Maxout777]

I wouldn't worry so much about doing every little thing every day to the point of stressing yourself out. I used to do the same thing, but I think it's much better to just relax, do what you can do, and try to have a semi-normal life. I was TERRIBLE about stressing out over every detail, and would spend every second of every day analyzing everything I did. It didn't help or matter.

Don't openly sabotage yourself by smoking cigs, etc., but you don't have to have a panic attack if you don't have magnesium for a week.

I think everyone has those same fears you were describing. I've wished several times that I did Finasteride instead of saw palmetto and have worried that I had it worse than anyone ever has and won't ever get better, etc. etc. You just have to stop worrying. Easier said than done, but it makes a huge difference.
I used to do the same shit about taking Saw Palmetto and that I had it worse than anyone because Saw Palmetto could be worse than fin......lots of wasted nights.

[K8668B]

You guys are right. I had a much better day today, and now im looking at what i was saying yesterday, and thinking "what the hell WAS i thinking???!!!".

I've been told many times that i get in my own way, and my own head. I definitely need to stop. I kinda was like this before PFS, and it has intensified since having pfs. I may even continue to do it the whole time through too. Hopefully not, but well see. I definitely will be working on myself in that aspect as well.

Didnt do the kale/spinach in my protein shakes last night, and i woke up, didnt even goto the bathroom, but still, felt alot better. I think my body is finally starting to level out, and get used to eating again. Im sure the kale/spinach combo in my protein shakes is honestly irrelevant. I did have some today though. Each day, the "gas" seems to get a little less intense, so thats good!

The nicotine is out of my system, i already feel back to normal... no more! Still vaping here and there, but it doesn't hurt me. Working on that too.

Also, for years, followed a bodybuilidng diet, which was kind of somewhat paleo even then too (just with gluten and other chemicals), but also had a high calorie/high protein diet, which caused alot of gas. Still have a high calorie/protein diet, because protein is a muscle builder, but since the fast, i have eased back into it, and not gone as high, due to trying to not over work the digestive system! I learned that the cause of my former "non-24 sleep disorder", was due to fucking overeating and overworking the digestive system, and that would keep me awake longer!!!! Well ill be damned! Glad that sleep disorder is out of my life forever! I havent had that problem in about 4 months!! If i have to get up super early for work... i will make sure not to overwork my digestive system, the night before because that has almost screwed me over twice! Problem solved! I'm also a fan of short interminnet fasting for a few hours at time these days too. A good nights sleep is crucial for PFS, and for your adrenals. I've been mastering my own body in the last few months since discovering this protocol. A recent saying of mine lately has been, "if you can master your own self, then you can master the entire world!" Wow, its been a long decade... it all makes sense now. My suffering is finally coming to an end, little by little.

So im definitely leveling out since this fast. And moving in the right direction. It just took longer this time around, because i did a 15 day fast for god sakes. Not a 7 day. I underestimated it hahaha. I do not need to cleanse again. Everything i have done, and been doing, has definitely served purpose.

By the way, a tip that was told to me by either cdsnuts or the guys on the forum, when taking herbs.... Today was my cistanche day, and definitely put a tiny drop of water in your mouth, and literally hold your head back and just drop the whole scoop in your mouth. If you get a good hit, the powder will give the back of your mouth this slight burn sensation. then use another tiny gulp of water to help rinse it down if needed. This happened today, and i feel like when that happens, you get better absorption of the herb. I've noticed that with tongkat ali too. Horny goat weed powder is still my favorite though so far, hehe.

The thing with all of this protocol, and trying to get it all in, is that its a learning curve. You kind of just learn as you go, and the longer youve been doing it, the more you start to incorporate into it. Im not going to beat myself over the head anymore. Other pfs battlers, and pfs healed ones, can tell you how to do certain things, and youll get it, but other things, sometimes you can only learn them by just doing them on your own enough times.

Im not going to be talking about, or over-analyzing things like morning wood or spontaneous erections on a daily basis anymore. It is indeed pointless like alot of the guys have said to me. All i will be doing is keep doing the protocol as best as i can.

[K8668B]

This is going to be my last post in my blog for awhile. I just want to put out there exactly what im currently doing. I am cleansed and on the protocol.

Training in the gym 5-6 days a week.

Paleo diet

Carb backloading

Zero alcohol, zero weed, drugs, pharms, etc.

HIIT sprints 1-2 times a week. (a personal longtime goal with this is to keep shedding time off of my 100m dash. 10.99 seconds if im lucky haha. Why the fuck not? You can do whatever you set your mind to. The sky is the limit. In high school i was a distance runner, so sprints werent my thing. Now as an adult male, i have a chance to reach this longtime goal since im on the protocol. ) This shit is fun for me, and thrilling.

Cycling a herb each day. I have 12 at the moment, will continue to keep acquiring more. Had two little things of shilijit resin that i was cycling daily, which i loved, but they ran out quick. I want more. And i want to get my hands on pine pollen powder to use daily. and if i can afford a few more bottles of pine pollen tincture, i will just use that as a daily herb, and take that out of my 1-a-day-herb rotation, and replace it with something else. these take time due to finances.

Cold showers!!!- I love these! So easy to do, and so addictive! Invigorating, powerful, and an immediate testosterone boost and adrenaline rush! i feel that shit right away. I think the other day i actually stayed in the cold shower for at least 5 whole minutes! I feel like i could go on forever! Usually im in and out though, for about 2 or 3 minutes.

Vitamin d3 10,000 IU- 2-3x daily.

Magnesium calm powder- i love to throw this in my protein shakes, along with kale and spinach. it even makes the protein powder taste better. My protein powder of choice is either body fortress ( if my funds are limited), or more preferably, quest protein, or the one on cds website, if i can find that in target, or in a store.

Avoid gluten and soy like the plague, along with other poisonous shitty chemicals if i can. But dont beat myself over the head if i accidentally eat something bad once in a blue moon.

spinurella and chlorella daily.

breath work- such a good idea. i just finally tapped into this about a week ago. It was hard for me to understand, but im finally getting it. And boy is it good! I havent mastered it yet, but i will eventually with more practice.

Meditation- THIS IS A BIG ONE, and really important to me. You must calm your mind. Im still a little bit confused with this one. overtime i will figure it out. I want to learn and master this really soon.

Fish oils (essential fatty acids)- been looking for a good brand. Hopefully i can find someone who knows what theyre talking about at a vitamin shoppe or gnc, or a wholefoods store, and help me find a brand that does not contain soy, gluten, or estrogenic or negative chemicals in it.

bathmate pump- i really want to get one of these. When the funds come, i will acquire one.

avoiding xeno-estrogen chemicals like deodorants, soap, etc- ive been slacking on this one ill admit. seems like the only good stuff you can find are online. and extremely expensive to be paying for on a regular basis. This pfs battle is costly enough. What happens when i run out of the good products, and my online order is still waiting to be delivered?... if i go back to using regular stuff while waiting, will i lose such benefits immediately? I cant be having body odor and smelling like shit! I will figure this one out later. For some reason its complicated for me, and im probably making it out to be harder than what it really is.

its all one big learning curve.... i just learn shit as i go, and as time goes on, i incorporate more and more into it all.

prohormone- I am less than 3 months away from starting the super r andro prohormone. My first ever cycle. I will climb my "natural" ladder one last time, get to my tip top natural levels, one last time, and then finally start cycling. Ive already been on my way. As far as "natural" goes, i dont think any of us were ever natural, having pfs. myself and the rest of us, were all under-natural, and i believe when healed, we will all be natural for the first time EVER!

This is it for now, and its all i can think of. I will update later.

[K8668B]

Well!

Looks like i saw a slight glimpse of a light at the end of the tunnell. Finally started gaining some muscle weight back. Yesterday i decided i was hungrier, my metabolism had sped back up somewhat, and it had been awhile, so i stepped my calories and protein back up to their normal range.

So today i went in, benched 225x4, and 245x1. Now im still quite under my normal weight, and these numbers are nowhere near my normal range, but it was a good increase. normally when i hit 250 on bench for a 1RM, thats when i start to really go up i notice. that 245x1 for an all out effort was a major testosterone boost and felt so good.

The whole "gas" thing i was talking about earlier has went down alot, so thats good.

The only weird negative thing that has been happening, is that my body wont seem to let me sleep longer than 6-6 1/2 hours at a time! This strangely started happening since day 12 of my juice feast. Now its been about 15 days since i broke the fast. I think that could be just my eagerness to get out the door early in the morning, and get everything done. But at the same time, not good for the adrenals after a long time. Carb backloaded like crazy today, because i had 2 workouts, and i was hoping the early backload would help me take a nap, but i couldnt. Hopefully tonight i can sleep for a good 8.5 hrs uninterrupted.

Nothing new sexually yet. Ordering pine pollen powder on monday for everyday use, along with the 12 and growing number of herbs i have for daily rotation.



By the way... can someone recommend a legit, potent brand of tribulus so i can add to the rotation? I've heard alot of good about it, and it was also in those prolab horny goat weed capsules that i responded well too a long time ago.