Giving It All For A Full Recovery

[Master Mal]

Hey guys,

First off, I really want to thank all of you (especially CD) for posting all your experiences on this board. I've been lurking for a while and following your advice and protocols. I suppose I just felt the need to post here and gauge how well I've been doing and get any advice on how I can keep my recovery going. I'll try keep the backstory as brief as I can out of respect for everyone's time.

I started going bald in my teens and decided to take Fin when I was 19 back in 2007. I had no idea PFS was even a thing, and started taking it without any side effects whatsoever. I was totally fine for many years until 2015, when I noticed my libido was a bit lower and I started getting sick A LOT. Usually I get sick very rarely, at most once a year. But in 2015 I was sick five times. I was under a lot of stress with work, so I figured it was that. Boy was I wrong.

By the time 2016 was rolling around, I was getting a ton of panic attacks and find it extremely difficult to sleep past 5AM. Usually I find it really hard to fall asleep and difficult to wake up in the morning, but it became the opposite. Finally figured out it was Fin and I could get PFS, so I weened off the drug over five weeks ending in August 2016. As I got off the drug, I felt fantastic for a few weeks and then slowly crashed over the next few months.

My symptoms included:

- Extremely dry skin
- Loss of sensitivity in the genital region (could barely feel my penis and balls)
- ED
- Extreme brain fog (there were days I could barely speak. It felt like I was 30 seconds behind the rest of the world)
- Depression
- Thoughts of suicide
- No libido
- No morning wood
- Panic attacks
- Inability to sleep

At its worst in October, I literally spent three days straight pacing in my apartment with my brain racing with terrible thoughts full of fear and panic. I didn't sleep and barely ate. Just paced back and forth holding my head in my hands. It felt like I was losing my mind. I got some blood work done and my T was sitting at 190, with 350 being the minimum on my doctor's scale.

I work as a fiction writer and have several manuscripts to my name, so the fact my mind and emotions were so badly affected was extremely distressing. Without them, my career was over. I stumbled upon CDNuts' protocol and decided to give it a shot. I've always been a gym rat and ate well, so it wasn't hard to go into the plan. I started in late November.

Here's what I've done so far:

- Started with a five day water fast
- Lifting almost every day (as work allows) with HIIT. I really enjoy Jim Stoppani's Shortcut to Shred routine.
- No alcohol. At most I've had half a beer since November. I'm not a big drinker so it was actually really easy. Cutting out sugar has been tougher, but I'm eating far less than I used to.
- Cold showers every day.
- Working hard to eat very healthy, but my work requires me to be social so sometimes I need to throw down a cheat meal for the sake of business.
- I have also added homemade veggie juice into my diet to provide my body with nutrients. I sometimes do mini juice feasts.
- Nofap (though I haven't always adhered to this one. I definitely fap far less than I used to. I understand it's important to just stick with sex)

I down the following supplements every day:

Vitamin B
Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Vitamin E
L-Arginine
L-Acetyl Carnitine
Fish Oil
5mg 5A-DHP (every three days)
L-Citrulline

I also take 150mg of Wellbutrin XL on prescription from my psychiatrist after I came to her regarding depression and suicidal thoughts because of PFS. She totally believes PFS is a thing, luckily, and has been working hard to help me. I plan to ween off this stuff within the next few months, but I think it's really helped with the depression.

I also cycle:

Tribulus
Cordyceps
Tongkat Ali
Ashwagandha
Shilajit pitch
Maca + DOPA Mucuna

As of today, my symptoms have lessened to:

- Little to no libido.
- Some general anxiety here and there.
- Takes a little while to get an erection and maintain it, but I can still have pretty normal sex.
- Less sensitivity in my junk, though it fluctuates. I usually test this by pinching my scrotum. Sometimes I can't feel it, other days it hurts a ton.

My mood is overall much better than it was just a few months ago and people have remarked how I seem to joke more and more lately. I do think I'm still not as full of zest as I used to be, which is something I'm hoping to rectify as a continue to recover. Sometimes, for bursts of 2-3 days, I recover a good chunk of sensitivity in my penis and balls along with more libido. I've had about three of these returns to form since December. My morning wood is also back, but it still has a ways to go until it's as strong or long lasting as it used to be.

Starting in January, my hair started falling out again like a motherfucker. I suspect this is a good sign. I bought a Wahl clipper for when it's time to let it go. Luckily, my girlfriend has been really understanding about everything PFS and doesn't care if I go bald as long as I feel better.

I've also managed to raise my T from 190 to 270. I've considered using very low doses of Clomid every 2-3 weeks, but I've been holding off to see how my natural recovery progresses. It seems to have worked very well for some people, but others haven't had the best experiences with it.

I'm aiming to attack this with everything I've got. I want my full sex capabilities back, but more than that I want my feel my full range of emotions again. I want to feel more rested after sleep, that electric feeling inside when having sex, and and my mind racing with ideas again. As a writer, I need to tap into that wealth of feeling that's lacking at the moment. I've worked really hard to get where I am, as writing fiction has been my aspiration since I was a kid. I'm not gonna let a dumbass pill take that away from me.

Anyway, thanks for reading all this. I really appreciate any and all advice you guys have for me. Let me know if there's anything I can add or subtract in regards to the regimen. I'm absolutely committed to recovery. I've been writing again, but it's been a bit harder than before. I really need my head and range of emotions/sensations back so I'm willing to go the distance to achieve that goal.

Thanks again! I'm looking forward to hearing from you guys.

[Snell1234]

Looks like you are progressing well.

Just one thing - don't touch the clomid. Other than that, keep on going.

[holyhead]

Looks like you are progressing well.

Just one thing - don't touch the clomid. Other than that, keep on going.

I was almost beyond funtioning mentally and physically..I got on clomid from a neuro brain specialist in Cali and have had a dramatic turn around..I am about 10x better..More energy, less depression like you flipped a switch..Now I can't speak for anyone else but clomid is the only thing I have tried that has done anything..I was slowly getting worse and worse..My free test was very low..My physical symptoms are still bad but have lessened some..Fat, weight gain all around lower ab region and waist and chest area..But the menta sides are greatly improved..May not help anyone else but has helped me even more so than I would have believed possible the shape I was in..

[Master Mal]

I was almost beyond funtioning mentally and physically..I got on clomid from a neuro brain specialist in Cali and have had a dramatic turn around..I am about 10x better..More energy, less depression like you flipped a switch..Now I can't speak for anyone else but clomid is the only thing I have tried that has done anything..I was slowly getting worse and worse..My free test was very low..My physical symptoms are still bad but have lessened some..Fat, weight gain all around lower ab region and waist and chest area..But the menta sides are greatly improved..May not help anyone else but has helped me even more so than I would have believed possible the shape I was in..

Really glad to hear you're doing better, Holy. I know you were in a really tough spot earlier.

[holyhead]

Thanks so much..I am being patient but getting stronger each week..gonna try to get back into running slowly..you have to pulse dose the clomid 50mg every other day..plus he put me on a shit load of supplements..

[Swill]

I'm glad you're doing well holyhead... but I have to go by my experience, which is to avoid clomid like the plague. Tried it at a variety of doses and it was horrendous for me. Master Mal, see my story in the Recovery thread if you want to hear of my experiences with it.

Glad its helped you out holyhead, but my mileage certainly varies on it.

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Oh, and it sounds like you're doing a lot better Mal so i'd get off the Wellbutrin as soon as you feel you can, you have a good handle on things and would benefit from allowing yourself to stabilise and improve via natural means... it may even be holding you back.

[Master Mal]

Oh, and it sounds like you're doing a lot better Mal so i'd get off the Wellbutrin as soon as you feel you can, you have a good handle on things and would benefit from allowing yourself to stabilise and improve via natural means... it may even be holding you back.

Thanks for posting, Swill! I unfortunately will be on it a few more months before starting to ween down, but I plan on getting off it as soon as I can work something out with my psychiatrist.

Just out of curiosity, I was wondering how/when people started feeling more emotion/better sleep. Obviously there's no timeline and expecting stuff only leads to disappointment when I should be pushing forward no matter what, but it'd be great to feel a full, deep night's sleep with that warm feeling you get upon waking... not to mention strong emotions. It's been a while since I had those.

[Master Mal]

So I added Glycine into my regimen last night as per some recommendations on this board. Honestly the best sleep I've had since this whole mess started last August. Thanks for throwing it out there, guys.

I was wondering, does anyone else had any recommendations for things I could improve or add to my regimen?

My brain is pretty clear, but I still feel there's a screen door in the there locking myself away from my libido and a more cheerful attitude I used to have. While I understand I've made pretty decent progress, I want to keep this train moving in the right direction. Thanks all!

[TubZy]

So I added Glycine into my regimen last night as per some recommendations on this board. Honestly the best sleep I've had since this whole mess started last August. Thanks for throwing it out there, guys.

I was wondering, does anyone else had any recommendations for things I could improve or add to my regimen?

My brain is pretty clear, but I still feel there's a screen door in the there locking myself away from my libido and a more cheerful attitude I used to have. While I understand I've made pretty decent progress, I want to keep this train moving in the right direction. Thanks all!

That is that allopreg and 5AR boost :)

[Master Mal]

That is that allopreg and 5AR boost :)

All from the Glycine? That shit's great then, ain't it?

[Master Mal]

Hey guys,

Bit of an update here. This week hasn't been so great. It's been very difficult to focus on anything and my memory hasn't been great. It's led to some long fights with my girlfriend that I haven't been able to completely follow, which just frustrating both me and her. My sleep also isn't as good, despite the fact I had a few really great initial few days on Glycine.

Also lost some sensitivity in my junk compared to last week and I'm feeling more lethargic. Honestly, this has all been very frustrating. I haven't been taking my 5A-DHP as much (I keep forgetting to), so it's possible that's been a factor. I've been on a stricter nofap than usual, so for the last week and a half I haven't gotten off at all. I also starting taking Glycine at night last week. A few days ago, I also added 3 teaspoons of Pine Pollen at night into my regimen.

It's also worth noting that my diet wasn't great last weekend. I ate some snacks at a party (two slices of pizza and half a donut), so I suppose it's possible that the sugar stressed out my system. If that's the case, do I need to do another cleanse? Should I spend some time off the herbs and start a new cycle in a few weeks? Is it possible I'm going to reach a new baseline and this is just me feeling worse beforehand?

It's been a frustrating few days. Any help would be appreciated.

[Maxout777]

Hey guys,

Bit of an update here. This week hasn't been so great. It's been very difficult to focus on anything and my memory hasn't been great. It's led to some long fights with my girlfriend that I haven't been able to completely follow, which just frustrating both me and her. My sleep also isn't as good, despite the fact I had a few really great initial few days on Glycine.

Also lost some sensitivity in my junk compared to last week and I'm feeling more lethargic. Honestly, this has all been very frustrating. I haven't been taking my 5A-DHP as much (I keep forgetting to), so it's possible that's been a factor. I've been on a stricter nofap than usual, so for the last week and a half I haven't gotten off at all. I also starting taking Glycine at night last week. A few days ago, I also added 3 teaspoons of Pine Pollen at night into my regimen.

It's also worth noting that my diet wasn't great last weekend. I ate some snacks at a party (two slices of pizza and half a donut), so I suppose it's possible that the sugar stressed out my system. If that's the case, do I need to do another cleanse? Should I spend some time off the herbs and start a new cycle in a few weeks? Is it possible I'm going to reach a new baseline and this is just me feeling worse beforehand?

It's been a frustrating few days. Any help would be appreciated.

I don't think you need to do another cleanse, personally. I'm also willing to bet the lethargy and bad feeling in general is coming from the gluten in the pizza and donut moreso than the sugar. The sugar definitely doesn't help, but gluten is your worst enemy at this stage.

[Master Mal]

Alright, guys. Good news. Talked to my doctor and I'm gonna start weening off the Wellbutrin. The bad news is it'll take about three months to completely kick it, but you never wanna drop something like an anti-depressant cold turkey. Until then, I'll keep up good diet, cold showers, exercise, and meditation. I just added shower brushing to the regimen as well and I've really been enjoying it.

[Cdsnuts]

Alright, guys. Good news. Talked to my doctor and I'm gonna start weening off the Wellbutrin. The bad news is it'll take about three months to completely kick it, but you never wanna drop something like an anti-depressant cold turkey. Until then, I'll keep up good diet, cold showers, exercise, and meditation. I just added shower brushing to the regimen as well and I've really been enjoying it.

I know it's very superficial, but you will notice a huge difference in your skin quality after only a week or so of skin brushing. Great news on the wellbutrin.

[Master Mal]

I know it's very superficial, but you will notice a huge difference in your skin quality after only a week or so of skin brushing. Great news on the wellbutrin.

Can't wait! I also got a bathmate and started pumping too. It's been... an interesting experience thus far.

[Master Mal]

Hey guys! Quick update.

I've felt really fantastic the last few days. My junk has been hanging more or less like it should (those pumping sessions really do help). Mentally I've been right on point - more or less like my old self. And, best of all, MY SLEEP IS NORMAL AGAIN. I'm back to having a tough time falling asleep at night and being able to sleep in on the mornings. No more waking up at 5-6AM no matter what for this guy.

And this is all without the herb cycle. I'm still planning on weening off the Wellbutrin and doing a cleanse. After that, I'll hop back on the herbs and see where they take me. Overall, though, I've been feeling really great for about the last week. Thanks for your help! Can't wait to see how I progress further.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys! Quick update.

I've felt really fantastic the last few days. My junk has been hanging more or less like it should (those pumping sessions really do help). Mentally I've been right on point - more or less like my old self. And, best of all, MY SLEEP IS NORMAL AGAIN. I'm back to having a tough time falling asleep at night and being able to sleep in on the mornings. No more waking up at 5-6AM no matter what for this guy.

And this is all without the herb cycle. I'm still planning on weening off the Wellbutrin and doing a cleanse. After that, I'll hop back on the herbs and see where they take me. Overall, though, I've been feeling really great for about the last week. Thanks for your help! Can't wait to see how I progress further.
If you're feeling good now you're going to feel amazing if you continue on. You'll be posting in the recovery section soon.

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[jimmyjonas]

Hey guys! Quick update.

I've felt really fantastic the last few days. My junk has been hanging more or less like it should (those pumping sessions really do help). Mentally I've been right on point - more or less like my old self. And, best of all, MY SLEEP IS NORMAL AGAIN. I'm back to having a tough time falling asleep at night and being able to sleep in on the mornings. No more waking up at 5-6AM no matter what for this guy.

And this is all without the herb cycle. I'm still planning on weening off the Wellbutrin and doing a cleanse. After that, I'll hop back on the herbs and see where they take me. Overall, though, I've been feeling really great for about the last week. Thanks for your help! Can't wait to see how I progress further.

Thats great to hear things are improving man, can I ask has your sensitivity down below improved along with your mental improvements? Cheers

[Master Mal]

Thats great to hear things are improving man, can I ask has your sensitivity down below improved along with your mental improvements? Cheers

I would say sensitivity is a little bit better, but it still has a ways to go. The real improvements in regards to that area are that my morning erections are much fuller and have been lasting longer. I almost forgot what it was like to get out of bed and not be able to sit on the toilet properly because of a stiffy, but it happened to me this morning and it was awesome. My semen is also much thicker. The last week it hasn't been watery at all.

So that's been pretty sweet. I'm super thankful I got to experience that stuff again. It's easy to forget what normal feels like when it's gone.

[coppersocks]

Good on you man, you're getting there. I've found that MW can drop off for a while and then come back stronger again so don't be annoyed if this happens goes away for a few days.

[Master Mal]

Hey guys,

Quick update. Just got my latest blood results back and my testosterone levels have more than doubled over the last three months. I should be off the Wellbutrin in about three weeks, which means then it's cleansing time. I'm looking forward to it and then getting back on the sweet, sweet herbs.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys,

Quick update. Just got my latest blood results back and my testosterone levels have more than doubled over the last three months. I should be off the Wellbutrin in about three weeks, which means then it's cleansing time. I'm looking forward to it and then getting back on the sweet, sweet herbs.

Fantastic, and congratulations.

They are sweet indeed.

Now imagine how high you're going to get that test with no pharmaceuticals in your system!

Keep pushing.

[Master Mal]

Hey guys. Just a quick update.

I've kicked all the pharms and I'm just completing day two of the juice feast. Honestly feel fine. I feel way less bloated than before, which is great. I aiming for around ten days, but we'll see how long I can go for it. I have all my herbs lined up to go after I'm done. Added more time time, so it's a nice long cycle. Really looking forward to jumping into it!

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys. Just a quick update.

I've kicked all the pharms and I'm just completing day two of the juice feast. Honestly feel fine. I feel way less bloated than before, which is great. I aiming for around ten days, but we'll see how long I can go for it. I have all my herbs lined up to go after I'm done. Added more time time, so it's a nice long cycle. Really looking forward to jumping into it!

Good job.

[Master Mal]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to update you all again. Juice cleanse is over and it turned out to be a really nice experience. Definitely cleared out my digestive system and righted the ship in many respects. Right now I'm starting back on the herbs and doing early morning workouts before work. I honestly feel pretty darn good. If I still do have PFS, it's fairly negligible. I'm having sex with my girlfriend around three times a week and my brain seems to be working just fine.

I think if there's any room to improve, it's in some memory, libido, and getting my erections even better than they are (though they seem to be just fine now). I'm also a little less emotional than I was, but that could be down to any number of things. I'm certainly feeling far more emotional than I was last year.

But things are going well. I'm building a new home office for gaming/writing and once I clear out my schedule I'll get back on the creative horse.

And before anyone asks, no I'm not drinking alcohol. Was never much of a drinker to begin with, so I have no idea if it'll set me back. I really don't care to find out.

[Durantia37]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to update you all again. Juice cleanse is over and it turned out to be a really nice experience. Definitely cleared out my digestive system and righted the ship in many respects. Right now I'm starting back on the herbs and doing early morning workouts before work. I honestly feel pretty darn good. If I still do have PFS, it's fairly negligible. I'm having sex with my girlfriend around three times a week and my brain seems to be working just fine.

I think if there's any room to improve, it's in some memory, libido, and getting my erections even better than they are (though they seem to be just fine now). I'm also a little less emotional than I was, but that could be down to any number of things. I'm certainly feeling far more emotional than I was last year.

But things are going well. I'm building a new home office for gaming/writing and once I clear out my schedule I'll get back on the creative horse.

And before anyone asks, no I'm not drinking alcohol. Was never much of a drinker to begin with, so I have no idea if it'll set me back. I really don't care to find out.

Damn dude, congrats, I didn't realize you were doing so well. I hope to see you on the recovery board soon.

[Cdsnuts]

When you feel you are sufficiently recovered Mal please do make a post in the recovery section as it helps all of our new members along their own journeys. Congrats on your continued success.

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[Master Mal]

When you feel you are sufficiently recovered Mal please do make a post in the recovery section as it helps all of our new members along their own journeys. Congrats on your continued success.

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Sure thing! I still need to get back the last bits of my missing sensitivity and libido first, but once I've made more strides there I'll have considered myself recovered enough to make a post. I don't wanna make any false claims. :)

[jimmyjonas]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to update you all again. Juice cleanse is over and it turned out to be a really nice experience. Definitely cleared out my digestive system and righted the ship in many respects. Right now I'm starting back on the herbs and doing early morning workouts before work. I honestly feel pretty darn good. If I still do have PFS, it's fairly negligible. I'm having sex with my girlfriend around three times a week and my brain seems to be working just fine.

I think if there's any room to improve, it's in some memory, libido, and getting my erections even better than they are (though they seem to be just fine now). I'm also a little less emotional than I was, but that could be down to any number of things. I'm certainly feeling far more emotional than I was last year.

But things are going well. I'm building a new home office for gaming/writing and once I clear out my schedule I'll get back on the creative horse.

And before anyone asks, no I'm not drinking alcohol. Was never much of a drinker to begin with, so I have no idea if it'll set me back. I really don't care to find out.

That's great news man, I remember reading your first post and it really resonated with me, I'm also doing the early morning workouts good way to start the day, keep on going man

[Master Mal]

Hey guys,

Been on a bit of a downswing the last week or two. More anxiety and less sensitivity downstairs. Been pulling 14 hour days at work so it's been tough to do everything needed for the protocol like lifting. Still try to make it to the gym 3 days a week, but that requires getting less sleep so it's a trade-off.

The good news is that this is still better than many other downswings I've had, so that's worth noting. Still very frustrating. I know there are going to be highs and lows, though. So I'll just ride this out. Any and all encouragement would be appreciated. I know I'm on a forward trajectory overall, however.

[Master Mal]

So I've noticed something interesting. How well I fell is often tied to how often I work out. After about five days without working out, I start to feel like crap. Obviously I'll try to work out as much as possible, but work has been insanely busy lately. Things are calming down a bit, so hopefully I'll be able to be even better about it.

Has anyone else noticed they feel much better after they lift?

[Ridd]

I try to go on a run and a swim every morning to start my day.

not only does this start your day right and set your body on a path to get in a good schedule, giving me a big mental lift, but exercise is considered one of the very best things you can do to benefit your health, physically and mentally.

I was just listening to a bunch of reviews on studies on fasting and its health benefits. Fasting was considered one of the best things you can do for your body, dubbed the "miracle grow" for your brain and overall health. But the one thing that was considered better than fasting, was exercise. One researcher claimed that if you could put the benefits of exercise into a pharmaceutical pill, it would be the single most beneficial miracle pill in the world.

[jacknap]

yeah exercise has been profound for me during this.

I've been into it for over 10 years but for some reason with pfs it's more profound.

yeah exercise has always been proven to be more effective than SSRI's clinically.

[Master Mal]

Hey all,

So I did a round of Super R-Andro that you can read about here (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/post-finasteride-syndrome/3453-master-mals-super-r-andro-run.html).

Overall, I've been doing well. I went out with my girlfriend for some Christmas Eve drinks. I had one (and only one) cocktail, but she got drunk and we had a bunch of crazy sex in the car and back at the house. Managed to have two orgasms, which means I didn't have too much trouble getting it hard after the first. This wasn't possible at all a year ago, so I'd say I'm making some pretty cool progress.

Hope everyone had a great Christmas!

[Pageidol]

Sounds like your Christmas went with a bang...😉

[biatch]

yeah exercise has been profound for me during this.

I've been into it for over 10 years but for some reason with pfs it's more profound.

yeah exercise has always been proven to be more effective than SSRI's clinically.

Sure you didn't fuck Santa?LOL

[Cdsnuts]

Hey all,

So I did a round of Super R-Andro that you can read about here (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/post-finasteride-syndrome/3453-master-mals-super-r-andro-run.html).

Overall, I've been doing well. I went out with my girlfriend for some Christmas Eve drinks. I had one (and only one) cocktail, but she got drunk and we had a bunch of crazy sex in the car and back at the house. Managed to have two orgasms, which means I didn't have too much trouble getting it hard after the first. This wasn't possible at all a year ago, so I'd say I'm making some pretty cool progress.

Hope everyone had a great Christmas!

Good job MM. Keep plugging along.

[Master Mal]

In a bit of a downswing now. Really all that means is that my junk is more numb and I'm a little sad. Luckily nothing as devastating as before.

I'm now pumping every day (as opposed to every other day) to help get my dick back in the game. In a month I'll also probably start another longer cycle of R-Andro. That will be two months after I ended by first cycle, unless anyone thinks that's a bad idea.

Thanks,

[Cdsnuts]

In a bit of a downswing now. Really all that means is that my junk is more numb and I'm a little sad. Luckily nothing as devastating as before.

I'm now pumping every day (as opposed to every other day) to help get my dick back in the game. In a month I'll also probably start another longer cycle of R-Andro. That will be two months after I ended by first cycle, unless anyone thinks that's a bad idea.

Thanks,

That's fine. Make sure to properly rotate herbs in the meantime....along with everything else.

Your downswing...par for the course. Just keep moving forward.

[Master Mal]

Well boys, looks like I have a touch of the flu. I ache all over and my throat is sore. Just thought I'd mention it, as from what I understand typically people don't get sick with PFS.

I'm hoping this is a good sign? I'm sure people will chime in and let me know.

Thanks guys,

[biatch]

Well boys, looks like I have a touch of the flu. I ache all over and my throat is sore. Just thought I'd mention it, as from what I understand typically people don't get sick with PFS.

I'm hoping this is a good sign? I'm sure people will chime in and let me know.

Thanks guys,

I remember before PFS I was that kind of person who was very weak and fragile..I was almost Always weak and with flu, temperature etc...
Since suffering from PFS I got the opposite, very tired (chronic fatigue) but never ever a flu/temperature and if I had, it was very rare.
Now I am having flue etc again, so I don't know if it is a good sign or not...
Good sign will be when you will feel connected and yourself again...it is difficult to say if it is good or not to get a flu.

[jacknap]

yeah I got sick last week for the first time since crashing. I would rarely get sick when I was well as well though. I also have the tiredness.

I'm oscillating between 80-95%. right now on a down swing tho.

[Cdsnuts]

yeah I got sick last week for the first time since crashing. I would rarely get sick when I was well as well though. I also have the tiredness.

I'm oscillating between 80-95%. right now on a down swing tho.

Not sure why this is, but there is definitely a connection. I never got sick when I was crippled with PFS. Once I started healing, and feeling more human, I would start cleansing (being sick) more regularly. Take it as a good sign.

[Master Mal]

So I'm a week into round 2 of R-Andro. I've noticed that this time the effect (thus far) hasn't been as pronounced as it was during the first round. I will say right after taking it my sleep got better like before, but thus far that's about it.

I'm wondering if this is because my baseline is higher. I'm not really worried, per say. But curious. It's only been a week.

Anyone else notice anything similar? I figured this time would be a little different. I've geared up for a longer than usual run and I'm currently taking 500mg a day.

[coppersocks]

Also, not every effect is noticable to ourselves. There is a whole host of process's in the body that we never subjectively experience or even know are happened so why would this be any different? Read up on the mechanics behind what you are doing (Tubzy has a great post on R-Andro somewhere) and be satisfied in knowing that you are on the right path.

[Cdsnuts]

Also, not every effect is noticable to ourselves. There is a whole host of process's in the body that we never subjectively experience or even know are happened so why would this be any different? Read up on the mechanics behind what you are doing (Tubzy has a great post on R-Andro somewhere) and be satisfied in knowing that you are on the right path.

This....and not only the R andro, but the protocol in general. Just KNOW that what you are doing is what you are supposed to be doing. You'll get alot further, alot quicker this way.

[Master Mal]

Thanks for the encouragement, guys.

I'm not really freaking out. I'm doing pretty well and am way past the point where I'm scared I won't recover. Just curious if anyone has experienced something similar and what that means.

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks for the encouragement, guys.

I'm not really freaking out. I'm doing pretty well and am way past the point where I'm scared I won't recover. Just curious if anyone has experienced something similar and what that means.

Every cycle, despite our intentions, are not the same. Some hit you great, others not so much. Despite this we have to run them anyway. As Copper mentioned there are things going on behind the scenes that are the important things to consider. This is the reason for running cycles to begin with. Any outward benefits are greatly welcomed, but they may not be there every cycle.

[Master Mal]

Hey guys,

Second R-Andro cycle wasn't as fun as the first. By the end of it I think I may have hit suppression a bit. I was also getting bloated and retaining water, but in the week since I've been off that's gone away.

Mentally I'd say I'm pretty much back to 100%. Memory is better. I'm writing again at a pretty aggressive pace, which is great. Sleep isn't quite 100%, but it's good enough that I can function very well. Appetite is also back up.

Really, the only lingering problems are downstairs. I'm still a bit numb (though not nearly as bad as it used to be), have some problems getting and maintaining an erection, and have very little in the way of libido. It's really frustrating, because most of that came back on my first round of R-Andro. I know how it's supposed to feel and losing again really sucked.

I guess it's true what they say, the last twenty percent really is the toughest.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys,

Second R-Andro cycle wasn't as fun as the first. By the end of it I think I may have hit suppression a bit. I was also getting bloated and retaining water, but in the week since I've been off that's gone away.

Mentally I'd say I'm pretty much back to 100%. Memory is better. I'm writing again at a pretty aggressive pace, which is great. Sleep isn't quite 100%, but it's good enough that I can function very well. Appetite is also back up.

Really, the only lingering problems are downstairs. I'm still a bit numb (though not nearly as bad as it used to be), have some problems getting and maintaining an erection, and have very little in the way of libido. It's really frustrating, because most of that came back on my first round of R-Andro. I know how it's supposed to feel and losing again really sucked.

I guess it's true what they say, the last twenty percent really is the toughest.

Ebb and flow....back and forth. You just have to keep steady.

[jacknap]

Hey guys,

Second R-Andro cycle wasn't as fun as the first. By the end of it I think I may have hit suppression a bit. I was also getting bloated and retaining water, but in the week since I've been off that's gone away.

Mentally I'd say I'm pretty much back to 100%. Memory is better. I'm writing again at a pretty aggressive pace, which is great. Sleep isn't quite 100%, but it's good enough that I can function very well. Appetite is also back up.

Really, the only lingering problems are downstairs. I'm still a bit numb (though not nearly as bad as it used to be), have some problems getting and maintaining an erection, and have very little in the way of libido. It's really frustrating, because most of that came back on my first round of R-Andro. I know how it's supposed to feel and losing again really sucked.

I guess it's true what they say, the last twenty percent really is the toughest.

i'm same with u mentally highest amount of recovery. sleep meh but way better and downstairs worst. isn't andro supposed to do opposite of bloating and water retention tho?

[CSM25]

Jacknap said:" isn't andro supposed to do opposite of bloating and water retention tho?"

Does that depend on estradiol/estrogen levels and sensitivity to estradiol/estrogen?

[Cdsnuts]

Jacknap said:" isn't andro supposed to do opposite of bloating and water retention tho?"

Does that depend on estradiol/estrogen levels and sensitivity to estradiol/estrogen?

Yes...

High estrogen causes bloating and water retention, not low estrogen. The other thing that it could be is low progesterone as progesterone acts as a natural diuretic....if levels get low water retention will increase.

[Maxout777]

Yes...

High estrogen causes bloating and water retention, not low estrogen. The other thing that it could be is low progesterone as progesterone acts as a natural diuretic....if levels get low water retention will increase.

Or desensitized progesterone receptors.....which I still think has a lot to do with why PFS occurs.

[Master Mal]

Well, nice to know you all have theories about the problem. :p

I guess I'll just keep trucking forward with the protocol regardless.

[Cdsnuts]

Well, nice to know you all have theories about the problem. :p

I guess I'll just keep trucking forward with the protocol regardless.

Keep truckin brother.....

[Master Mal]

Hey guys,

I know I tend to post here when things aren't going well, so I decided to change it up. Been having a nice upswing this week!

Early last week I wasn't Since last Friday, I've felt more lively and motivated. Brain is working faster. Also made some nice gains at the gym.

And best yet, I can feel more of things downstairs. I can feel my bits working when I'm making out with my girlfriend in a way I haven't for a while. Hopefully I've hit a new baseline cuz this feels like a really nice step.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys,

I know I tend to post here when things aren't going well, so I decided to change it up. Been having a nice upswing this week!

Early last week I wasn't Since last Friday, I've felt more lively and motivated. Brain is working faster. Also made some nice gains at the gym.

And best yet, I can feel more of things downstairs. I can feel my bits working when I'm making out with my girlfriend in a way I haven't for a while. Hopefully I've hit a new baseline cuz this feels like a really nice step.

Good idea to post when you're feeling good instead of just the negatives. I like it. That is after all why you're all here!

[Master Mal]

Happy to report ANOTHER upswing. I think I may have reached a new baseline here, folks. Sexual sides are definitely dissipating more and more.

I'd say at the moment I'm sitting pretty at 80%. I plan to do one more (and final) round of R-Andro starting in July, and hopefully that'll give me a final push.

Looking forward to posting in the Recoveries section when I reach 100%!

[Cdsnuts]

Happy to report ANOTHER upswing. I think I may have reached a new baseline here, folks. Sexual sides are definitely dissipating more and more.

I'd say at the moment I'm sitting pretty at 80%. I plan to do one more (and final) round of R-Andro starting in July, and hopefully that'll give me a final push.

Looking forward to posting in the Recoveries section when I reach 100%!

Great to hear. Keep it up man!

[Master Mal]

Another update for you guys.

The finish line is in sight, thankfully. I thought that the third R-Andro round wasn't doing anything, but towards the end I could feel it nudging me in the right direction. After I finished things have felt a little warmer and looser.

Mentally I'm all good. Sleep is close enough to Pre-PFS I can't really notice a difference. Most days at present I have most of my sensitivity downstairs. Pre-PFS I could get a rock-hard stiffy with a thought, and I admit that isn't the case now. However, I can still get a strong erection pretty easily and can have sex multiple times a day. My libido fluctuates. I do have it, but I don't get overwhelmingly horny, so there's room for improvement there but I'm perfectly happy with where I am now.

I can drink and get drunk with no repercussions whatsoever, but I've never been much of a drinker. Working out is the same as it used to be, as is my energy levels.

I'd say I'm sitting pat at 90%. The last 10% are really about the consistency of my sensitivity, libido, and erections. I do plan to post in the recoveries section, but I'm waiting for the consistency issue to stabilize.

Thanks so much for everyone's support and ESPECIALLY CDSNUTS for formulating the protocol in the first place. It's been a Godsend that really saved my life.

[jacknap]

Another update for you guys.

The finish line is in sight, thankfully. I thought that the third R-Andro round wasn't doing anything, but towards the end I could feel it nudging me in the right direction. After I finished things have felt a little warmer and looser.

Mentally I'm all good. Sleep is close enough to Pre-PFS I can't really notice a difference. Most days at present I have most of my sensitivity downstairs. Pre-PFS I could get a rock-hard stiffy with a thought, and I admit that isn't the case now. However, I can still get a strong erection pretty easily and can have sex multiple times a day. My libido fluctuates. I do have it, but I don't get overwhelmingly horny, so there's room for improvement there but I'm perfectly happy with where I am now.

I can drink and get drunk with no repercussions whatsoever, but I've never been much of a drinker. Working out is the same as it used to be, as is my energy levels.

I'd say I'm sitting pat at 90%. The last 10% are really about the consistency of my sensitivity, libido, and erections. I do plan to post in the recoveries section, but I'm waiting for the consistency issue to stabilize.

Thanks so much for everyone's support and ESPECIALLY CDSNUTS for formulating the protocol in the first place. It's been a Godsend that really saved my life.

congrats man. people usually say the libido/erection stuff is last thing to fix.

[Cdsnuts]

Another update for you guys.

The finish line is in sight, thankfully. I thought that the third R-Andro round wasn't doing anything, but towards the end I could feel it nudging me in the right direction. After I finished things have felt a little warmer and looser.

Mentally I'm all good. Sleep is close enough to Pre-PFS I can't really notice a difference. Most days at present I have most of my sensitivity downstairs. Pre-PFS I could get a rock-hard stiffy with a thought, and I admit that isn't the case now. However, I can still get a strong erection pretty easily and can have sex multiple times a day. My libido fluctuates. I do have it, but I don't get overwhelmingly horny, so there's room for improvement there but I'm perfectly happy with where I am now.

I can drink and get drunk with no repercussions whatsoever, but I've never been much of a drinker. Working out is the same as it used to be, as is my energy levels.

I'd say I'm sitting pat at 90%. The last 10% are really about the consistency of my sensitivity, libido, and erections. I do plan to post in the recoveries section, but I'm waiting for the consistency issue to stabilize.

Thanks so much for everyone's support and ESPECIALLY CDSNUTS for formulating the protocol in the first place. It's been a Godsend that really saved my life.

That's great man.

You know the drill....just keep at it, even when you get consistent....keep going for another few months to really cement it in.

And please do post in the recoveries section when you feel the time is right!

[Master Mal]

Thanks, CD. This last part is really frustrating. I really would love to get my libido/ED ready to go but the fluctuations make it difficult. I used to be a monster in bed and I know I will be again, but for the time being it's tough getting back there.

Just out of curiosity, how was the last leg for you during your recovery? Not to compare. I'm just curious.

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks, CD. This last part is really frustrating. I really would love to get my libido/ED ready to go but the fluctuations make it difficult. I used to be a monster in bed and I know I will be again, but for the time being it's tough getting back there.

Just out of curiosity, how was the last leg for you during your recovery? Not to compare. I'm just curious.

I always say the last stretch is the toughest. There are times when you feel 100% and then you hit a downswing and it is VERY frustrating. I just remember during the end period, I would be good for a week, then a downswing, then I'd be good for a few weeks, downswing, etc. I waited until I was good for almost six months before posting my recovery on PH. I'd say that last touchy stretch was probably for 4-5 months where I had good libido, then shitty, etc. Then I hit the period of six months when the downswings barely were noticeable and hardly effected my libido at all.

That was me though. It's going to be different for everyone.

[jacknap]

I always say the last stretch is the toughest. There are times when you feel 100% and then you hit a downswing and it is VERY frustrating. I just remember during the end period, I would be good for a week, then a downswing, then I'd be good for a few weeks, downswing, etc. I waited until I was good for almost six months before posting my recovery on PH. I'd say that last touchy stretch was probably for 4-5 months where I had good libido, then shitty, etc. Then I hit the period of six months when the downswings barely were noticeable and hardly effected my libido at all.

That was me though. It's going to be different for everyone.

yeah this is where I'm at right now. Currently slight down swing libido wise.

[Cdsnuts]

yeah this is where I'm at right now. Currently slight down swing libido wise.

You're closing in on the home stretch brother!

[Master Mal]

Hey guys,

Sorry to say it's been a rough time for me. Girlfriend of 5 years and I broke up last month (not PFS related) and it's been a real shit show moving out into a new place. I've been couch surfing, so it's been far more difficult to do the regimen. I lift when I can, take cold showers, do breathing exercises.

I think the situation has taken a bit of a toll on me. I'm happy to say my mental sides are all gone and aren't coming back. I haven't been sleeping particularly well, but I think that's more stress related from the breakup and the move.

My main sides that have flared up are all sexual. Libido is down, as is sensitivity downstairs. My prostate also aches like the early days. I realize I'm lucky this is what a crash is nowadays, but I'd still like to get through it. The good news is I can still get an erection and I still have morning wood (when I sleep), so that's a good sign.

I'm a little anxious because I'm being set up on a sex date next week and I'd like to perform. I didn't seek it out, but the opportunity was presented to me and she's unbelievably hot so I had to go for it.

So, if anyone has any suggestions they'd be most appreciated. Just a month ago I was doing really well with libido and erection quality. I'm hoping this is the downswing before either a big upswing or a new baseline. Either way, I've got to truck forward.

[Maxout777]

Try some high dose icariin. If timing is an issue and you can’t order it, just grab GNC or local vitamin store. It’s relatively decent quality.

[Master Mal]

Thanks for the recommendation, Maxout! I assume you've had pretty good experience with Icariin? I should have enough time to order. Do you have a link to a particular brand of Icariin you'd recommend?

[Maxout777]

Thanks for the recommendation, Maxout! I assume you've had pretty good experience with Icariin? I should have enough time to order. Do you have a link to a particular brand of Icariin you'd recommend?

I never use it anymore, but when I did back in recovery I used the high percentage icariin from LiftMode. Small package and just used it as needed. Once I pretty much recovered full erections and such I rotated it and then after it ran out I never got anymore.

I've used it before PFS and it was definitely noticeable.

[Master Mal]

I never use it anymore, but when I did back in recovery I used the high percentage icariin from LiftMode. Small package and just used it as needed. Once I pretty much recovered full erections and such I rotated it and then after it ran out I never got anymore.

I've used it before PFS and it was definitely noticeable.

Purchased! I'm eager to try it out. When you had PFS what effect did this stuff have on you? Just trying to gauge what I should expect on this stuff. I'd really appreciate the insight.

Thanks!

[Maxout777]

Purchased! I'm eager to try it out. When you had PFS what effect did this stuff have on you? Just trying to gauge what I should expect on this stuff. I'd really appreciate the insight.

Thanks!

Sorry for the delay - it definitely gave me harder erections back when that was a problem. Probably not going to do much in the libido department, or sensitivity - but can help you "get the job done" if you know what I'm talking about.

[Master Mal]

Sorry for the delay - it definitely gave me harder erections back when that was a problem. Probably not going to do much in the libido department, or sensitivity - but can help you "get the job done" if you know what I'm talking about.

Hey, anything that helps is more than welcome. Thanks!

[Master Mal]

So, this is really frustrating. When my junk is at its worst, it feels cold, shriveled, and numb. Until last week, I hadn't experienced that in months. I thought I had reached a new baseline (and maybe I had), but last week I had a pretty nasty crash. I've been recovering from it, but it's been really frustrating. Ever since my third R-Andro cycle several months ago, my junk has been actually pretty good. Not Pre-PFS, but I could have regular sex and sometimes multiple rounds per day with good sensitivity and ability to get hard.

But man, after this latest crash it's been weird. Luckily, I had sensitivity and warmth down there but erection wise nothing much is happening. Last night I got a ton of libido all of a sudden and felt incredibly warm all over. Today, junk feels good but there's no libido/erection ability. I'm in a new apartment now and I'm going full bore with the protocol (was hard to do couch surfing before).

These last two weeks have been a real roller coaster. I haven't had this kind of yo-yoing in the well being of my junk since my initial crash. I'm wondering if it's stress that triggered this mini-crash or if it's big downswing before an upswing, but if anyone could shed some light on this I'd be really grateful.

[Cdsnuts]

So, this is really frustrating. When my junk is at its worst, it feels cold, shriveled, and numb. Until last week, I hadn't experienced that in months. I thought I had reached a new baseline (and maybe I had), but last week I had a pretty nasty crash. I've been recovering from it, but it's been really frustrating. Ever since my third R-Andro cycle several months ago, my junk has been actually pretty good. Not Pre-PFS, but I could have regular sex and sometimes multiple rounds per day with good sensitivity and ability to get hard.

But man, after this latest crash it's been weird. Luckily, I had sensitivity and warmth down there but erection wise nothing much is happening. Last night I got a ton of libido all of a sudden and felt incredibly warm all over. Today, junk feels good but there's no libido/erection ability. I'm in a new apartment now and I'm going full bore with the protocol (was hard to do couch surfing before).

These last two weeks have been a real roller coaster. I haven't had this kind of yo-yoing in the well being of my junk since my initial crash. I'm wondering if it's stress that triggered this mini-crash or if it's big downswing before an upswing, but if anyone could shed some light on this I'd be really grateful.

Wild swings are a good thing, contrary to what you would think. It means things are happening. It's not too enjoyable to feel like your body is schizophrenic, obviously but this seems to happen when things start really moving along.

You've just started going full on, so this is to be expected.

You know what you have to do.....stay the course.

[Master Mal]

Sooooo... today I'm okay.

Feel totally fine. Junk is working pretty well. I dunno what to make of it, but I'm thankful that the downswing (seems) to be over. Thanks for everyone's support.

God, I'm so unlucky though. That date didn't go well because I had it during my downswing, which made me feel awful and self conscious. I kinda choked and she doesn't want to go out again. Oh well. Plenty of other women out there.

[jacknap]

So, this is really frustrating. When my junk is at its worst, it feels cold, shriveled, and numb. Until last week, I hadn't experienced that in months. I thought I had reached a new baseline (and maybe I had), but last week I had a pretty nasty crash. I've been recovering from it, but it's been really frustrating. Ever since my third R-Andro cycle several months ago, my junk has been actually pretty good. Not Pre-PFS, but I could have regular sex and sometimes multiple rounds per day with good sensitivity and ability to get hard.

But man, after this latest crash it's been weird. Luckily, I had sensitivity and warmth down there but erection wise nothing much is happening. Last night I got a ton of libido all of a sudden and felt incredibly warm all over. Today, junk feels good but there's no libido/erection ability. I'm in a new apartment now and I'm going full bore with the protocol (was hard to do couch surfing before).

These last two weeks have been a real roller coaster. I haven't had this kind of yo-yoing in the well being of my junk since my initial crash. I'm wondering if it's stress that triggered this mini-crash or if it's big downswing before an upswing, but if anyone could shed some light on this I'd be really grateful.

yeah same for me after third cycle no sexual failures since. sometimes the hardness leaves something to be desired though.

downswings definitely lead to higher upswings for whatever reason for me too. the lower you fall the higher you fly i guess?

[Master Mal]

So, another slight update. It's been said that people don't really get traditionally sick (like, colds and such) while they have PFS.

Well, I got a cold right now. So I'm guessing that's a good sign. Just thought I'd mention it.

[Master Mal]

So, unhappy to report the icariin didn't really do much for my downstairs bits.

I'm gearing up for another Andro round. This time I'm gonna do 400mg R-Andro and along with 4-Andro. I hear that 200mg is the recommended daily dosage for the 4-Andro, but if anyone else has any recommendations please let me know.

I'm not in a downswing anymore, but I'm definitely not in an upswing. I have sensitivity downstairs, but it's just... kinda there. It definitely beats being shriveled and cold, but it's still frustrating as hell. I definitely have the DHT itch going right now, but the usual uptick in libido isn't following. I know for a fact I can get full sensitivity back. I got it earlier this year for a full week and I was doing pretty well in that regard during my 1st and 3rd R-Andro cycles.

I KNOW it can be done. I KNOW I can get things working down there. It's happened before. I just have no idea why it's not happening now. Hopefully the R-Andro/4-Andro cycle will give me that push that sends me over the edge.

[RickTheRuler]

Rinse & repeat. 2 month herbs 6 weeks Andro. Again and again..You got it dude.

& if the next cycle doesn’t push you over the edge, guess what, do another one.

You have to remember that all cycles do besides flood your body with DHT for the most part is just speed up healing time. Same reason why an athlete would use steroids or hgh
to come back from an injury as quick as possible, we are using it to come back from PFS. The rate your body is building proteins and all that is through the roof in a cycle. what your body goes through in 3-4 months naturally recovering with herbs is probably all condensed in a 6 week cycle. Those are not accurate measurements but you get my point.

^i may not be right cause I haven’t tired it, anyone can correct me.

There has to be a biological explanation as to why guys who have a blend of symptoms get rid of the mental & physical stuff first but the libido lags. If libido is in the brain, & mental stuff goes away, then why is libido (that’s in the brain ) still an issue. It’s puzzling to say the least. Why sexual stuff is always the slowest. Maybe some of the smart guys can chime in on this.


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[jacknap]

So, unhappy to report the icariin didn't really do much for my downstairs bits.

I'm gearing up for another Andro round. This time I'm gonna do 400mg R-Andro and along with 4-Andro. I hear that 200mg is the recommended daily dosage for the 4-Andro, but if anyone else has any recommendations please let me know.

I'm not in a downswing anymore, but I'm definitely not in an upswing. I have sensitivity downstairs, but it's just... kinda there. It definitely beats being shriveled and cold, but it's still frustrating as hell. I definitely have the DHT itch going right now, but the usual uptick in libido isn't following. I know for a fact I can get full sensitivity back. I got it earlier this year for a full week and I was doing pretty well in that regard during my 1st and 3rd R-Andro cycles.

I KNOW it can be done. I KNOW I can get things working down there. It's happened before. I just have no idea why it's not happening now. Hopefully the R-Andro/4-Andro cycle will give me that push that sends me over the edge.

you gotta use it everyday for months to see the benefits. read area 1255's article on it. It works. my boners are more powerful now. once or twice a day 200mg each dose. It builds up and he says you can get permanent gainz.

also makes cialis/viagara work better because it creates more of the enzyme to bind in the penis. I've actually had some of my hardest boners whilst in pfs past few months with cialis + icariin + ejaculation abstinance.

[jacknap]

Rinse & repeat. 2 month herbs 6 weeks Andro. Again and again..You got it dude.

& if the next cycle doesn’t push you over the edge, guess what, do another one.

You have to remember that all cycles do besides flood your body with DHT for the most part is just speed up healing time. Same reason why an athlete would use steroids or hgh
to come back from an injury as quick as possible, we are using it to come back from PFS. The rate your body is building proteins and all that is through the roof in a cycle. what your body goes through in 3-4 months naturally recovering with herbs is probably all condensed in a 6 week cycle. Those are not accurate measurements but you get my point.

^i may not be right cause I haven’t tired it, anyone can correct me.

There has to be a biological explanation as to why guys who have a blend of symptoms get rid of the mental & physical stuff first but the libido lags. If libido is in the brain, & mental stuff goes away, then why is libido (that’s in the brain ) still an issue. It’s puzzling to say the least. Why sexual stuff is always the slowest. Maybe some of the smart guys can chime in on this.


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the reason why libido is last thing to heal in pfs is simple evolutionary explanation. When in survival mode (which our brains think we are from lack of allpregnanalone which creates gaba puts us in a fight or flight state for prolonged periods. during this time the body deprioritizes reproduction in favour of survival. once gaba systems are restored and the body sees we are safe and in abundance and dht etc. starts working properly libido will come. the body fluctuates from upswings and downswings because it's adjusting things behind the scenes. kinda like when you get a cold you get a fever because the raising of body tempeture though unpleasant is trying to kill the virus/bacteria. the downswings are the body revving up to up upswing. I notice for me every downswing I upswing better. So that's what I think is going on.

regarding 4 andro I personally wouldn't do it again. I felt so good on cycle but I was suppressed for 3 weeks after. I wouldn't risk shut down again because not everyone is lucky to bounce back. Most people I know who did use it though bounced back. Manik, Maxout, Myself and if you got the potent herbs like tongkat ali and pine pollen you should bounce back but feeling like ass for 3 weeks is not fun.

R andro pure no suppression for me and in fact I get a nice bounce back and boost in baserline when I do it by itself. if anyone can tell. i'm in an upswing right now. :D

[RickTheRuler]

you gotta use it everyday for months to see the benefits. read area 1255's article on it. It works. my boners are more powerful now. once or twice a day 200mg each dose. It builds up and he says you can get permanent gainz.

also makes cialis/viagara work better because it creates more of the enzyme to bind in the penis. I've actually had some of my hardest boners whilst in pfs past few months with cialis + icariin + ejaculation abstinance.

Will start with Icariin now then if that’s the case.

& jack the website is inhousepharmacy.vu


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[jacknap]

Will start with Icariin now then if that’s the case.

& jack the website is inhousepharmacy.vu


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yeah they don't ship to canada. we got tough customs. my buddy sells me them for 10$ which is still a lot cheaper than retail but still.

[Master Mal]

Thanks for the insight, Jacknap. I'll definitely take icariin daily, but the good stuff Max told me about is kind of expensive, so it'll have to be a less than 200mg a day. Unless, of course, you have another source you used that works for you and is cheaper.

[jacknap]

Thanks for the insight, Jacknap. I'll definitely take icariin daily, but the good stuff Max told me about is kind of expensive, so it'll have to be a less than 200mg a day. Unless, of course, you have another source you used that works for you and is cheaper.

I use the liftmode. IMO you should jsut do the high dose for a month and that's a good enough gauge if it's working for you. If it's not you can bin it. If it's not working for you you don't need to invest for further than 1 month know what I mean? cuz if you just to 25-50mg you'll wonder, what if I used high dose everyday?

[Master Mal]

I'm using liftmode as well. It's just very expensive.

This is the stuff I'm using: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073G28D43/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[jacknap]

I'm using liftmode as well. It's just very expensive.

This is the stuff I'm using: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073G28D43/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If you want more cost effective ways I think the best thing to do is buy the highest quality you can first to see if it has an effect then downgrade to a cheaper brand and see if it gives you an equal effect. That way you won't wonder 'maybe I just bought shitty stuff'. I got 90% one though. same brand and that 8% more probably isn't worth the double price of it lol.

[Master Mal]

Alright guys, I think I figured out why I crashed.

When I was couch surfing after my break up and had to use other people's shampoos. I just checked one house I stayed at and one of them had Saw Palmetto Extract in their shampoo. I aligned the dates and I'm pretty sure that's what caused it.

Fuck, my system is damn sensitive even with all the progress I made.

I'm pissed, because I was doing so well before. Obviously I'm gonna keep up with the protocol, but I'm worried I might have to do another juice cleanse. Right now the only things effected are downstairs and some general moodiness, so nothing as bad as before. It's ironic because I was thinking of using some sporadic Nizoral to deal with the DHT itch, but I guess that was a stupid idea right out of the gate.

I'm gonna keep truckin' on, but this is God damn annoying.

[Barrytherat]

Alright guys, I think I figured out why I crashed.

When I was couch surfing after my break up and had to use other people's shampoos. I just checked one house I stayed at and one of them had Saw Palmetto Extract in their shampoo. I aligned the dates and I'm pretty sure that's what caused it.

Fuck, my system is damn sensitive even with all the progress I made.

I'm pissed, because I was doing so well before. Obviously I'm gonna keep up with the protocol, but I'm worried I might have to do another juice cleanse. Right now the only things effected are downstairs and some general moodiness, so nothing as bad as before. It's ironic because I was thinking of using some sporadic Nizoral to deal with the DHT itch, but I guess that was a stupid idea right out of the gate.

I'm gonna keep truckin' on, but this is God damn annoying.

Does Nizoral have Saw Palmetto in it?

[Master Mal]

Does Nizoral have Saw Palmetto in it?

No, but it has another component that clears DHT out of hair a bit and gets rid of the itch. Dunno if that's worth it.

[Durantia37]

No, but it has another component that clears DHT out of hair a bit and gets rid of the itch. Dunno if that's worth it.

I thought it seemed weird for you to have such a big downswing out of nowhere..Glad to get closure on this. That's shitty luck though.

I'd avoid Nizoral until you're recovered dude. Even then, I don't think it's a great idea.

[biatch]

I wouldn't care so much about hair...Who cares, come on. Risking your health for hair again? NO THANKS.

[Master Mal]

I wouldn't care so much about hair...Who cares, come on. Risking your health for hair again? NO THANKS.

It has nothing to do with saving the hair. The itch on my scalp is freaking maddening, but I guess it's better than the alternative.

[Master Mal]

So, I have a plan. I'm gonna clear my system with a 5-day juice feast after the holidays and then hop onto my next R-Andro cycle. Until then, it's cold showers, breathing exercises, weight lifting, and herbs.

It just sucks. My downstairs bits haven't felt this bad in a while. I know it'll get better if I just do what I did before.

[Barrytherat]

Whats your diet consist of Mal?

[Master Mal]

Whats your diet consist of Mal?

A lot of chicken and veggies (mostly brussels sprouts and asperagus). Eggs. Protein powder and quest bars. White Rice for carb backloading, though I've been thinking of getting sorghum for that.

I do go for sushi sometimes but stay away from soy sauce nowadays. I drank a little more when I was doing much better, but mostly a single drink.

I also lift 3x a week minimum.

[Master Mal]

Just wanted you all to know I've recovered from my crash. I'm feeling much better, which is quite the relief.

[jacknap]

Just wanted you all to know I've recovered from my crash. I'm feeling much better, which is quite the relief.

nice! Yeah I had some mini crash scares as well during my recovery.

[Master Mal]

Hi all,

It's been a while but I wanted to report I've been doing really well. Been feeling good overall. Last week I had three rounds of sex in one night with my new FWB, so I think it's safe to say the problems in that area are minimal now.

If this lasts until June I'll make a recovery post.

Thank you so much for all the support these last few years. It's so good to be past the worst of this.

[Cdsnuts]

Hi all,

It's been a while but I wanted to report I've been doing really well. Been feeling good overall. Last week I had three rounds of sex in one night with my new FWB, so I think it's safe to say the problems in that area are minimal now.

If this lasts until June I'll make a recovery post.

Thank you so much for all the support these last few years. It's so good to be past the worst of this.

Lasts? Keep doing what you're doing and it will just get better......you'll see. Great news, and congrats. Looking forward to your recovery post.

Just an FYI...when I made my recovery post in 2012, I had been solid for about six months or so....no downswings, problems, etc. Basically this program became my way of life, so I just stayed with it.....I continued to "recover" or grow for years after that. You don't realize how good things can be until you get there. You've been through the worst...now enjoy the best.

[Maxout777]

Congratulations man. Glad to see the time, energy, and dedication have finally paid off. It’s a fantastic feeling. You deserve it.

[Master Mal]

Hey guys,

Had a few ups and downs the last few months, but I'm happy to report I've been holding steady and consider myself recovered. As soon as I have some time I'll be making a post in the Recoveries section. :)

If anyone has any questions or concerns, throw them at me. As soon as I have some time I'll answer them to the best of my ability.

Thanks CDsnuts, Maxout, and everyone who helped me out while I was in a really rough spot. It's been a long 2.5 years, but I'm really glad it's behind me.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys,

Had a few ups and downs the last few months, but I'm happy to report I've been holding steady and consider myself recovered. As soon as I have some time I'll be making a post in the Recoveries section. :)

If anyone has any questions or concerns, throw them at me. As soon as I have some time I'll answer them to the best of my ability.

Thanks CDsnuts, Maxout, and everyone who helped me out while I was in a really rough spot. It's been a long 2.5 years, but I'm really glad it's behind me.

Excellent.

Please do add to the recoveries section as that is where everyone that comes here wishes to graduate to. You put your time in, now you get to add to the growing list of recoveries we've built here. As soon as you can, please post!

Congrats on all of your dedication and hard work. Do yourself a favor though, and keep going! It will continue to get better. Even when you think you're "there" you'll be surprised at how much better you can actually become.

[silent?pain89]

Im very glad for you brother...
Would you say, that your Penie numbness issues are completetly solved now?..Its one of my most annoying symptoms (Though i have skin numbness all over my body, but genital numbness is very very annoying and hard to accept).

[Cdsnuts]

Im very glad for you brother...
Would you say, that your Penie numbness issues are completetly solved now?..Its one of my most annoying symptoms (Though i have skin numbness all over my body, but genital numbness is very very annoying and hard to accept).

I'll let him speak for himself, but typically when we say that we are recovered, that means exactly that, recovered.

[entropy]

Im very glad for you brother...
Would you say, that your Penie numbness issues are completetly solved now?..Its one of my most annoying symptoms (Though i have skin numbness all over my body, but genital numbness is very very annoying and hard to accept).
I think it's safe by now to say I've got myself a repution of being a little bit of a douche to the people looking for an EXCUSE not to follow the program. If he comes back and says "hey dude my cock is 90% as sensitive as it was when I was sixteen years old" are you gonna then think to yourself "well there's no point following the program then"?

It was easier on me than some guys but every single man injured by that drug is capable of recovery and I believe that wholeheartedly. Especially you.

[Cdsnuts]

I think it's safe by now to say I've got myself a repution of being a little bit of a douche to the people looking for an EXCUSE not to follow the program. If he comes back and says "hey dude my cock is 90% as sensitive as it was when I was sixteen years old" are you gonna then think to yourself "well there's no point following the program then"?

It was easier on me than some guys but every single man injured by that drug is capable of recovery and I believe that wholeheartedly. Especially you.

Very good point, and good to see you back here Entropy. When I was at my worst I would have settled for being 75% healed before I knew that a complete reversal was possible. But it's not only possible, we go past our original baseline to something that is even BETTER then what we knew before the ravages of PFS.

Get on the program, stay on the program and you'll get there too. silent?pain89

[Master Mal]

Im very glad for you brother...
Would you say, that your Penie numbness issues are completetly solved now?..Its one of my most annoying symptoms (Though i have skin numbness all over my body, but genital numbness is very very annoying and hard to accept).

I'd say it's mostly there, but I'm kinda glad it's *slightly* less sensitive? I used to pop pretty quickly and now I can enjoy sex longer now. But I was super horny and overly sensitive before PFS, so now I feel normal. It's honestly a blessing. My overactive libido was more trouble than it was worth. I still get hard for flirting and physical activity super easily and can go multiple rounds in one night, but I rarely walk around with an erection anymore because I can't stop thinking about sex. I still love sex. I still get turned on by shit. I'm fucking on a regular basis. I'm just not overwhelmingly horny. I'm actually really grateful for it.

To put this in perspective, I went 9 months with my downstairs bits being completely numb. Now it feels normal and I'm thrilled.

Lemme know if you have any other questions. :)

[Cdsnuts]

I'd say it's mostly there, but I'm kinda glad it's *slightly* less sensitive? I used to pop pretty quickly and now I can enjoy sex longer now. But I was super horny and overly sensitive before PFS, so now I feel normal. It's honestly a blessing. My overactive libido was more trouble than it was worth. I still get hard for flirting and physical activity super easily and can go multiple rounds in one night, but I rarely walk around with an erection anymore because I can't stop thinking about sex. I still love sex. I still get turned on by shit. I'm fucking on a regular basis. I'm just not overwhelmingly horny. I'm actually really grateful for it.

To put this in perspective, I went 9 months with my downstairs bits being completely numb. Now it feels normal and I'm thrilled.

Lemme know if you have any other questions. :)

I thought this was going to be a sticking point for alot of guys as it almost was for me in the beginning. Once I considered myself healed, I was so sensitive and so horny that staying power was an issue......at first. Especially with no fap.....it was almost comical how quick I'd blow. I've found that if I backed off on the herb dosages, used the bathmate prior to sex (about three or four hours before sex) and had sex often, I naturally over came the issue. I was up front with my partner at the time and told her that she was the first partner I've had in a few years because of a condition caused by an adverse drug reaction. One, she was happy that I wasn't a total man whore, which had I not been knocked down by pfs, I would have been, and second, she was happy to "help" get things working proper again. We shared my progression from minute man to stallion and it really brought us together.

As much as this sounds shallow, if guys have the ability to find a "practice" girl, then they should absolutely do so.

[RickTheRuler]

I have this problem with my 1st round. The protocol + no fap make it extremely tough, I can’t even zero in on the moment, I have to think of something else...I’m Always doing mental gymnastics to last longer. 2nd & 3rd round I go however long I want, but that comes at a small price of erectile quality not being the same as the first, slightly. I don’t even think girls notice things like that so much, I could be wrong.

Super sensitive cause before sex I do everything ( rotation herb or Andro pill depending if I’m on cycle or not ; PDE5; Bathmate ; Thor’s Hammer) it’s like one big Jizz Stack lol.

How long should sex be though? The foreplay and everything make the whole experience longer, but what’s a good amount of time for when your actually IN there? I know there’s no set time, but I hear mixed answers.

& no I’m not recovered, I don’t even know where I’m at % wise, I’m just doing this forever anyway and never coming off.


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[zardoz]

I have this problem with my 1st round. The protocol + no fap make it extremely tough, I can’t even zero in on the moment, I have to think of something else...I’m Always doing mental gymnastics to last longer. 2nd & 3rd round I go however long I want, but that comes at a small price of erectile quality not being the same as the first, slightly. I don’t even think girls notice things like that so much, I could be wrong.

Super sensitive cause before sex I do everything ( rotation herb or Andro pill depending if I’m on cycle or not ; PDE5; Bathmate ; Thor’s Hammer) it’s like one big Jizz Stack lol.

How long should sex be though? The foreplay and everything make the whole experience longer, but what’s a good amount of time for when your actually IN there? I know there’s no set time, but I hear mixed answers.

& no I’m not recovered, I don’t even know where I’m at % wise, I’m just doing this forever anyway and never coming off.


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I got the same problem, my dude. It's a massive pain in the ass.

[RickTheRuler]

I got the same problem, my dude. It's a massive pain in the ass.

Nothing I’m ashamed of dude, I prefer this than being on the opposite side of the spectrum which is super numb & unable to get it up even with PDE5’s.. been there..

I would like my first rounds to be at least 5 minutes from the time I’m in there though,
that’d be great.

Nofap is a blessing and a curse cause around girls you get libido spikes and just their aura can turn you on.. I felt that way less when I would watch a lot of porn, if I ever got that feeling it was being around a super hot girl only....now any girl on the looks scale can make me a bit horny or at least think about sex given the right time.

The Curse is just the quick trigger.. & I’m not doing the old jerk off in the morning before she comes over..fuck all that numbing myself., imma figure this out. Cause I really love & appreciate sensitivity.. I think this is how we’re supposed to be before porn came about...I just want it to last though.


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[Cdsnuts]

Nothing I’m ashamed of dude, I prefer this than being on the opposite side of the spectrum which is super numb & unable to get it up even with PDE5’s.. been there..

I would like my first rounds to be at least 5 minutes from the time I’m in there though,
that’d be great.

Nofap is a blessing and a curse cause around girls you get libido spikes and just their aura can turn you on.. I felt that way less when I would watch a lot of porn, if I ever got that feeling it was being around a super hot girl only....now any girl on the looks scale can make me a bit horny or at least think about sex given the right time.

The Curse is just the quick trigger.. & I’m not doing the old jerk off in the morning before she comes over..fuck all that numbing myself., imma figure this out. Cause I really love & appreciate sensitivity.. I think this is how we’re supposed to be before porn came about...I just want it to last though.


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I wouldn't say there is a set amount of time to be inside her. It really depends on how fast she gets off. The chicks that cum fast are fine with short spurts because they finish quick. The chicks that take the longer amount of time are going to be disappointed if they aren't "released" often enough. So it really is girl dependent. My last relationship I could take her from start to finish before I even came.....I would say a few minutes of sex and she'd be done. That's not counting foreplay, just intercourse. The chick I'm with now, she takes longer.....At the risk of sounding lame, I actually have to stop and take a minute or two rest because sometimes I get winded from fucking.....lol. Like damn girl.....come the fuck on already....lol.

Really what it comes down to is making sure she is satisfied. If you can do it in five minutes or a half an hour, as long as your both happy, it doesn't matter what the clock says. Personally I always found it suspect when guys would talk about fucking for HOURS.....hours?....really? You kidding me? I love sex as much as the next guy, but there comes a point when either she'll start wondering when it's going to end, or you will. In reality, fifteen minutes of straight fucking is a solid round as far as I'm concerned.

I've gotten pretty good at controlling my releases over the years. As with anything, practice makes perfect. I'd like for you guys to try this breathing technique next time you're hittin it.....When you feel yourself getting to the point of no return, before you get there, start taking long slow breathes in for seven seconds and then exhale for seven seconds. Over and over again. You'll notice that the urgency of getting ready to burst fades into the back ground. Try that and let me know how you guys make out. I've found it works very well at keeping yourself ahead of your release. For the most part, I hold off until I finish her, then I'll let myself finish.

With this new girl, we settled into a nice little system of love making. She'll usually blow me until I finish, that's the first round. The second round is all about getting her off first. If we do a third round, she's real easy to get off because she's already finished and is super sensitive and I take longer because the third nut is always the toughest, if it happens at all, which sometimes it doesn't.

The point of all of this is it's different on a case by case basis. Where ever you fall on the spectrum, as long as your making sure she's finishing a good amount of the time, you're going to be the man in her eyes, and really, that's all that matters.

Concerning porn, I don't use it anymore....haven't in years because of what it does to the brain. On the rare occasion I do masturbate, I use my imagination, like your supposed to. This helps keep the magic there when you have a real woman in front of you. Too much porn is overly stimulating and causes major problems if abused. There are young guys these days that grew up on internet porn who can't perform with "live" women because they're so geared towards spanking it in front of a computer screen, the real thing isn't enough for them.

[Marquis]

In my experience honesty really is the best policy - I've been finding more and more that being up-front and communicative is the key to making sexual encounters and relationships satisfying and rewarding for both parties, despite what society's drilled into many of us.

I've been pleasantly surprised by how understanding most girls have been since I started being open about it. I'll generally stop them just before things go down south in bed, and tell them that I had an adverse reaction to a prescription drug that messed up my hormones, so things don't really respond properly down there at the moment, and I haven't yet met a girl who's walked out or gotten in a huff because of it. If you're still suffering ED, the release of that pressure can sometimes be just enough to tip the scales and help you get it up, and if not, there's still plenty of fun you can have even with penetrative sex removed from the equation, as any bi or gay woman will tell you. I generally don't tell them what the drug was specifically - if you're cagey about having taken a hair-loss drug though, you could say it was an anti-depressant, as there's much less stigma around taking those, and the sexual side effects are fairly well known (although their degree of permanence is still pretty controversial). Hell, some of the women you hook up with might well have suffered sexual side effects from such drugs themselves.

If you're someone who struggles to last very long, a lot of women will be flattered that they can make you come so quickly, as long as it's not something you're defensive or awkward about it. Several times I've told a women to slow down, that they're turning me on too much and they're going to make me come too quickly, and they've told me to go right ahead. You get brownie points for at least admitting it and trying. Just don't go falling asleep on them afterwards without giving them their turn.

[Master Mal]

In my experience honesty really is the best policy - I've been finding more and more that being up-front and communicative is the key to making sexual encounters and relationships satisfying and rewarding for both parties, despite what society's drilled into many of us.

I've been pleasantly surprised by how understanding most girls have been since I started being open about it. I'll generally stop them just before things go down south in bed, and tell them that I had an adverse reaction to a prescription drug that messed up my hormones, so things don't really respond properly down there at the moment, and I haven't yet met a girl who's walked out or gotten in a huff because of it. If you're still suffering ED, the release of that pressure can sometimes be just enough to tip the scales and help you get it up, and if not, there's still plenty of fun you can have even with penetrative sex removed from the equation, as any bi or gay woman will tell you. I generally don't tell them what the drug was specifically - if you're cagey about having taken a hair-loss drug though, you could say it was an anti-depressant, as there's much less stigma around taking those, and the sexual side effects are fairly well known (although their degree of permanence is still pretty controversial). Hell, some of the women you hook up with might well have suffered sexual side effects from such drugs themselves.

If you're someone who struggles to last very long, a lot of women will be flattered that they can make you come so quickly, as long as it's not something you're defensive or awkward about it. Several times I've told a women to slow down, that they're turning me on too much and they're going to make me come too quickly, and they've told me to go right ahead. You get brownie points for at least admitting it and trying. Just don't go falling asleep on them afterwards without giving them their turn.

My philosophy is always to go down on them first. After they got off they're basically cool with whatever.

[entropy]

I'd say it's mostly there, but I'm kinda glad it's *slightly* less sensitive? I used to pop pretty quickly and now I can enjoy sex longer now. But I was super horny and overly sensitive before PFS, so now I feel normal. It's honestly a blessing. My overactive libido was more trouble than it was worth. I still get hard for flirting and physical activity super easily and can go multiple rounds in one night, but I rarely walk around with an erection anymore because I can't stop thinking about sex. I still love sex. I still get turned on by shit. I'm fucking on a regular basis. I'm just not overwhelmingly horny. I'm actually really grateful for it.

To put this in perspective, I went 9 months with my downstairs bits being completely numb. Now it feels normal and I'm thrilled.

Lemme know if you have any other questions. :)

I fucking love this dude already. I'm thirty so my libido isn't what it used to be and honestly thank fuck for that. I have much better discipline nowadays but I'm still working on it.

[Cdsnuts]

I fucking love this dude already. I'm thirty so my libido isn't what it used to be and honestly thank fuck for that. I have much better discipline nowadays but I'm still working on it.

Man I'm 42 and if I stay on the prescribed herb dosing protocol my libido now is too much. Even so at half or a quarter of the herb dosage. These days I've been sticking to the adaptogens and maybe only hit a T booster once a week if that, over wise I'm obsessed with sex.

[jacknap]

my libido is probably about the same it was before. I go to sex clubs and I'm always the horniest most sex crazed if not like top 3-4 of the guys that go.

I like to nut like 1-2 times a day. Only thing is though my erection quality isn't always the bomb but I think it's because I damaged part of the base of my dick when this stupid girl fell back on my dick when on top. She could have totally avoided it but she's a dumby and thought it's okay to fall back on it to indicate that she's tired. She's also an asshole and won't even respond to my texts and is a total bitch lol. Wouldn't mind sueing her lmao. Thinking of using the bathmate again to maybe recover it from what I read online that spongey tissue isn't recoverable unless you do surgery right away and the doc I saw said just rest it and didn't recommend surgery.

I do think the bathmate works directly by working on the spongey tissue though so might be worth a shot!

one of the signs of this is that when I use cialis I'm a fucking beast so I think my libido is high just my erections sometimes without it are like 80%

[Cdsnuts]

my libido is probably about the same it was before. I go to sex clubs and I'm always the horniest most sex crazed if not like top 3-4 of the guys that go.

I like to nut like 1-2 times a day. Only thing is though my erection quality isn't always the bomb but I think it's because I damaged part of the base of my dick when this stupid girl fell back on my dick when on top. She could have totally avoided it but she's a dumby and thought it's okay to fall back on it to indicate that she's tired. She's also an asshole and won't even respond to my texts and is a total bitch lol. Wouldn't mind sueing her lmao. Thinking of using the bathmate again to maybe recover it from what I read online that spongey tissue isn't recoverable unless you do surgery right away and the doc I saw said just rest it and didn't recommend surgery.

I do think the bathmate works directly by working on the spongey tissue though so might be worth a shot!

one of the signs of this is that when I use cialis I'm a fucking beast so I think my libido is high just my erections sometimes without it are like 80%

Bathmate all the way......

[op2pig]

Hello,

I'm about to start the CDNUTs protocol for PFS. I took Accutuane in 1998 and then 2001 and it took quite a while to rule other causes out. I spent the last 13 years grappling with a supposedly "incurable" autoimmune condition. It's now resolved so I'm riding this victory lap to address my next health crisis: PFS!

I came across testimonials of recovery and was impressed by results and commitment.
In order to stay motivated for the marathon that lays before me, I wanted to connect and ask a few questions:

-Besides observing your subjective symptoms, did anyone track your progress via any biomarkers (lab results/hormone levels)? Tracking quarterly hormone panels will absolutely keep me motivated.
-I took Accutane in 1998 and 2001, so I am worried it will take me much longer to respond to this protocol. Is there a timeframe by which the damage is done and irreversible?

Cheers from Washington, DC!

[Bankai9000]

Maybe start your own thread and tell us more about your autoimmune condition. I'm quite curious.
Wouldn't try to see hormonal panel as the only marker, my hormones were worse when I was healthy compared to PFS, don't think they play a major role in how you feel atm. But ye having a good panel probably is better than not, but don't gauge your happiness on numbers only.
But good luck mate, good you're here to fight dis stuff :D

[Master Mal]

Hello,

I'm about to start the CDNUTs protocol for PFS. I took Accutuane in 1998 and then 2001 and it took quite a while to rule other causes out. I spent the last 13 years grappling with a supposedly "incurable" autoimmune condition. It's now resolved so I'm riding this victory lap to address my next health crisis: PFS!

I came across testimonials of recovery and was impressed by results and commitment.
In order to stay motivated for the marathon that lays before me, I wanted to connect and ask a few questions:

-Besides observing your subjective symptoms, did anyone track your progress via any biomarkers (lab results/hormone levels)? Tracking quarterly hormone panels will absolutely keep me motivated.
-I took Accutane in 1998 and 2001, so I am worried it will take me much longer to respond to this protocol. Is there a timeframe by which the damage is done and irreversible?

Cheers from Washington, DC!

I'd definitely post your own thread, but to answer your question my labs are posted earlier in the thread. If you go back you'll see them! I haven't had a new one recently because I'm well enough that I simply don't care.

I don't think anyone is too fargone, op2pig. It's just a matter of getting on the protocol ASAP because the sooner you do, the sooner you can recover!

[Sd123]

Master Mal - how damaging / helpful do you think Wellbutrin was in hindsight? Did it help you to get off your feet in the beginning? Obviously not a good long term solution, but in hindsight are you glad you took it or not?

[Master Mal]

Master Mal - how damaging / helpful do you think Wellbutrin was in hindsight? Did it help you to get off your feet in the beginning? Obviously not a good long term solution, but in hindsight are you glad you took it or not?

It was a band aid on a bullet wound, really. It barely helped. The thing that improved my mood and windset the most was that first round of R-Andro.

[slader1]

It was a band aid on a bullet wound, really. It barely helped. The thing that improved my mood and windset the most was that first round of R-Andro.

How many cycles have you done thus far? Would you consider yourself fully recovered yet?

[xxaleksi]

He posted a recovery post already.

[Master Mal]

How many cycles have you done thus far? Would you consider yourself fully recovered yet?

I did four full cycles and two mini cycles to right the ship after crashes.

You can read my recovery post here: Recoveries - Page 8 (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3199&page=8)

Keep on trucking, guys!

[Queens1984]

Cd why do I keep having sudden crashes? I’m good for a couple of months and then bam I’m emotional and feel WEIRD. Is it cause I fall off the wagon with diet and supplements?

[Cdsnuts]

Cd why do I keep having sudden crashes? I’m good for a couple of months and then bam I’m emotional and feel WEIRD. Is it cause I fall off the wagon with diet and supplements?

Unless I know everything you do on a daily/weekly/monthly basis, that's a very difficult question to answer as there are so many variables. It sounds like YOU know the answer....You just said "Is it cause I fall off the wagon with diet and supplements?"

The answer can be, yes. You need to stay the course 100% for an undetermined amount of time...6mo's - 2 yrs generally. Not doing this will results in yo-yo-ing results and a longer healing time.

That, AND, there is a natural healing cycle that bounces from great to shitty over the course of your healing journey. In order to keep that as minimal as you can, you NEED to stay as solid as you can with your schedule....when you take your herbs, when and how you work out, dieting, etc. Even when these are dialed in, you're STILL going to have great days, and bad days. The difference is the longer you stay on the protocol, the longer your good stretches will be and the shorter your bad ones will get.

CONSITENCY + TIME = RESULTS.

[Queens1984]

Thankyou for responding.

[Master Mal]

Cd why do I keep having sudden crashes? I’m good for a couple of months and then bam I’m emotional and feel WEIRD. Is it cause I fall off the wagon with diet and supplements?

Unfortunately this is a time when you'll have to be more vigilant than usual. My worst crash during my recovery came when I was couch surfing and I used a keto shampoo. I was knocked on my ass for weeks. Luckily an R-Andro cycle righted the ship.

[Queens1984]

Yea it just don’t make sense. I agree with you 100 percent, it’s just I go from feeling pretty good 2 feeling not even like a MAN, anymore. I can’t explain it. I’m just going 2 stay strict with my diet, cold showers and supplements. Got 2 stay STRONG...

[Queens1984]

My Vitamin D has Soybean oil. Is that okay to take?

[Master Mal]

I'd stay away from anything soybean, personally.

A little tip for when you crash, Queens. Give yourself a prostate massage. I know it sounds ridiculous, but it's really helped reverse some of my crashes. Stick a finger up there and wiggle it around for a minute or so.

[Queens1984]

Thanks Brother. I’m going 2 throw away those pills. Get different Vitamin d3’s.

[Queens1984]

I'd stay away from anything soybean, personally.

A little tip for when you crash, Queens. Give yourself a prostate massage. I know it sounds ridiculous, but it's really helped reverse some of my crashes. Stick a finger up there and wiggle it around for a minute or so.

Whatever helps BROTHER

[Queens1984]

Hey Brothers quick question. I took a steroid called TREN ACE when I came off Propecia. I guess about 6 months after. I was on Propecia from March of 2007- till June of 2010. It is very strong on the receptors on the body. Felt amazing when I first took it. Like I did pre Propecia. When I got off I completely CRASHED. No EMOTIONS. Do you think the TREN with the Propecia damaged my RECEPTORS in my BODY? Thanks GUYS....

[Cdsnuts]

Hey Brothers quick question. I took a steroid called TREN ACE when I came off Propecia. I guess about 6 months after. I was on Propecia from March of 2007- till June of 2010. It is very strong on the receptors on the body. Felt amazing when I first took it. Like I did pre Propecia. When I got off I completely CRASHED. No EMOTIONS. Do you think the TREN with the Propecia damaged my RECEPTORS in my BODY? Thanks GUYS....

Not damaged, but you def. had a double whammy. The presciption is the same. Protocol, all in, 100%. You'll get where you want to go....eventually.

[Queens1984]

Thanks Cdsnuts. I’m all in

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks Cdsnuts. I’m all in

Best decision of your life. You'll see, in time.

[Queens1984]

Best decision of your life. You'll see, in time.

I trust YOU. Enjoy your day BROTHER....

[Master Mal]

Hey all,

Just wanted to give you guys an update.

Skin is great, mental acuity is strong, and I sleep just fine. Definitely sitting pat at 90% consistently.

Sexually I have good days and bad days, but they're far more good. When I get going I can fuck with the best of them, but libido itself can fluctuate. I'm looking for something to increase it a little. Cycling prohormones can definitely help, but I was also wondering about another potential avenue...

I've heard taking zinc supplements can help with that? I noticed some recovery stories mentioned the helped downstairs from zic and/or copper and I was wondering what others thought.

I tried zinc picolinate 30mg and promptly vomited, so maybe I need a smaller dose or a different type of zinc.

Thanks all!

[Cdsnuts]

Hey all,

Just wanted to give you guys an update.

Skin is great, mental acuity is strong, and I sleep just fine. Definitely sitting pat at 90% consistently.

Sexually I have good days and bad days, but they're far more good. When I get going I can fuck with the best of them, but libido itself can fluctuate. I'm looking for something to increase it a little. Cycling prohormones can definitely help, but I was also wondering about another potential avenue...

I've heard taking zinc supplements can help with that? I noticed some recovery stories mentioned the helped downstairs from zic and/or copper and I was wondering what others thought.

I tried zinc picolinate 30mg and promptly vomited, so maybe I need a smaller dose or a different type of zinc.

Thanks all!

Great news! Thanks for the update.

Concerning mineral supplementation, because we typically need them in micro-doses or trace amounts, dosing can be tricky. I wouldn't go too crazy. You can find mineral solutions that contain trace minerals in the proper ratios and take as needed until you either feel better, or worse, depending.

I've used this before https://amzn.to/2WE3w6n As a matter of fact, the bottle is still here somewhere. You'll probably only ever need one bottle for your entire life.

[Master Mal]

Great news! Thanks for the update.

Concerning mineral supplementation, because we typically need them in micro-doses or trace amounts, dosing can be tricky. I wouldn't go too crazy. You can find mineral solutions that contain trace minerals in the proper ratios and take as needed until you either feel better, or worse, depending.

I've used this before https://amzn.to/2WE3w6n As a matter of fact, the bottle is still here somewhere. You'll probably only ever need one bottle for your entire life.

Thanks for the advice! I'll totally delve in and see what I can do with it.

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks for the advice! I'll totally delve in and see what I can do with it.

You can also add in a green juice or two every other day or so for a really good shot of bio-available minerals. The best way to get them is still from food. Organic if possible.

[Master Mal]

You can also add in a green juice or two every other day or so for a really good shot of bio-available minerals. The best way to get them is still from food. Organic if possible.

I'd love to, but money is a little tight with the quarantine unemployment going.

Good news, though! I lowered the dose of zinc to 15mg and it's totally fine. I'll take it every other day along with 2mg copper.

[Cdsnuts]

I'd love to, but money is a little tight with the quarantine unemployment going.

Good news, though! I lowered the dose of zinc to 15mg and it's totally fine. I'll take it every other day along with 2mg copper.

Good. Just be mindful of how you're feeling when dosing minerals like this. You don't want to go to far in the other direction.

[Master Mal]

Good. Just be mindful of how you're feeling when dosing minerals like this. You don't want to go to far in the other direction.

Absolutely. I'll only be doing it three times a week and stop after a couple of months if I don't see benefits. Just seen too many good reports to ignore.

[Cdsnuts]

Absolutely. I'll only be doing it three times a week and stop after a couple of months if I don't see benefits. Just seen too many good reports to ignore.

You'll feel what's right.

[Master Mal]

Hey all,

Sad to say that the zinc hasn't done much so I'm gonna hold off.

Still holding strong with the protocol, but the lack of gym and the pandemic are hitting me hard. It's been over 120 days since I've properly lifted since all the gyms are closed and it's been really tough. I'm doing resistance band training in my living room, but it's not the same.

Lifting has always been the cornerstone of the protocol for me, and not being able to do it properly has left me feeling rather blah. Still doing the herbs and I was thinking of doing an Androhard cycle, though without proper lifting I dunno how useful that would be.

I fucking hate quarantine, y'all.

[Master Mal]

Hey all,

Another update for you.

Any issues I had two weeks ago aren't around anymore. I got some heavy lifting resistance bands and they've definitely helped. I still considered myself recovered as I:

1. Have total mental clarity
2. Zero depression
3. Can get and hold erections just fine
4. Total sensitivity downstairs
5. All those other symptoms are pretty much non-existent

However, I do have two lingering issues which I find kind of annoying and I was wondering if anyone had any insight:

1. Lack of libido (only sometimes, though)
2. Occasional pain in my prostate area.

That second one is the more annoying one. I don't have to pee all the time or have any other symptoms of other prostate problems. No blood in my urine or anything like that. Just an ache. Somedays I'm fine, somedays it's annoying. Prostate massages definitely help, and for some reason it doesn't hurt at all when I'm hard or having sex.

I will say it's definitely around less than it used to be. I'm hoping one more cycle of prohormones will clear this lingering issue, as last time I did them everything down there felt fantastic. However, I was wondering if anyone had any experience on this front.

As I said, everything else is pretty much tip top. I just wanna clear this one last issue up because my father had prostate issues later in life and it's generally annoying. So any advice would be awesome!

Thanks!

[LetsGo]

Hey all,

Another update for you.

Any issues I had two weeks ago aren't around anymore. I got some heavy lifting resistance bands and they've definitely helped. I still considered myself recovered as I:

1. Have total mental clarity
2. Zero depression
3. Can get and hold erections just fine
4. Total sensitivity downstairs
5. All those other symptoms are pretty much non-existent

However, I do have two lingering issues which I find kind of annoying and I was wondering if anyone had any insight:

1. Lack of libido (only sometimes, though)
2. Occasional pain in my prostate area.

That second one is the more annoying one. I don't have to pee all the time or have any other symptoms of other prostate problems. No blood in my urine or anything like that. Just an ache. Somedays I'm fine, somedays it's annoying. Prostate massages definitely help, and for some reason it doesn't hurt at all when I'm hard or having sex.

I will say it's definitely around less than it used to be. I'm hoping one more cycle of prohormones will clear this lingering issue, as last time I did them everything down there felt fantastic. However, I was wondering if anyone had any experience on this front.

As I said, everything else is pretty much tip top. I just wanna clear this one last issue up because my father had prostate issues later in life and it's generally annoying. So any advice would be awesome!

Thanks!

I’m glad to hear you’re doing better! What type of heavy resistance bands did you get? I’m looking into getting some myself.

They say that libido is the last thing to fully recover, so I wonder if you’re 95% recovered? (Libido almost all the way back, but not fully.)

How long have you had the prostate pain? And how old are you?

I had prostate pain when I quit finasteride in 2012, but it went away after two courses of antibiotics, which took about 6 weeks. It was just this small, constant discomfort in my taint near my leg. It went away temporarily when I took a hot bath, but thankfully it cleared up permanently with the antibiotics (although I’m not sure if the antibiotics actually cured it, or if it went away on its own.) It could be worth seeing a urologist just to check if you have an enlarged prostate.

[Master Mal]

I’m glad to hear you’re doing better! What type of heavy resistance bands did you get? I’m looking into getting some myself.

They say that libido is the last thing to fully recover, so I wonder if you’re 95% recovered? (Libido almost all the way back, but not fully.)

How long have you had the prostate pain? And how old are you?

I had prostate pain when I quit finasteride in 2012, but it went away after two courses of antibiotics, which took about 6 weeks. It was just this small, constant discomfort in my taint near my leg. It went away temporarily when I took a hot bath, but thankfully it cleared up permanently with the antibiotics (although I’m not sure if the antibiotics actually cured it, or if it went away on its own.) It could be worth seeing a urologist just to check if you have an enlarged prostate.

I just turned 32. The pain usually only hits when I crash or am in a downswing, so it's been intermittent. But this has gone on for a few years now on and off. The better I feel, the less of an issue it is if at all. But I'm feeling pretty good right now and the pain is there at times, which is really annoying. And the pain isn't in my taint. It's closer to the tail bone.

Here are the resistance bands I got:

Amazon.com : WODFitters Pull Up Assistance Bands Set - Stretch Resistance Bands - Mobility Bands - Powerlifting Bands, Durable Workout / Exercise Bands - 5 Band Set : Sports Outdoors (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NAPYKRG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

[Carni]

For the prostate maybe try Ancestral prostate its prostate in a pill :) or MOFO ive tried that one it also contains prostate and some other godies. Gives me a bit o libido boost at times.

[Master Mal]

For the prostate maybe try Ancestral prostate its prostate in a pill :) or MOFO ive tried that one it also contains prostate and some other godies. Gives me a bit o libido boost at times.

Thanks for the recommendation! I'll look into it.

[Master Mal]

I’m glad to hear you’re doing better! What type of heavy resistance bands did you get? I’m looking into getting some myself.

They say that libido is the last thing to fully recover, so I wonder if you’re 95% recovered? (Libido almost all the way back, but not fully.)

How long have you had the prostate pain? And how old are you?

I had prostate pain when I quit finasteride in 2012, but it went away after two courses of antibiotics, which took about 6 weeks. It was just this small, constant discomfort in my taint near my leg. It went away temporarily when I took a hot bath, but thankfully it cleared up permanently with the antibiotics (although I’m not sure if the antibiotics actually cured it, or if it went away on its own.) It could be worth seeing a urologist just to check if you have an enlarged prostate.

So, just out of curiosity I took a hot bath today and it definitely helped temporarily. So, I've set a doctor's appointment. If I can take some antibiotics and get this cleared up then that would be utterly fantastic.

[Master Mal]

So, I wasn't able to set up a doctor's appointment, but the pain downstairs is completely gone now and things are working pretty well. It's possible the Ultra Hard cycle I'm on (in week 3) is contributing to that, but I'm very curious what the uptick will be after the end of the cycle and I go back on my herb rotation.

And yes, I kept going with the herbs after recovery... because why the fuck not?

[Queens1984]

So, I wasn't able to set up a doctor's appointment, but the pain downstairs is completely gone now and things are working pretty well. It's possible the Ultra Hard cycle I'm on (in week 3) is contributing to that, but I'm very curious what the uptick will be after the end of the cycle and I go back on my herb rotation.

And yes, I kept going with the herbs after recovery... because why the fuck not?

Master Mal what’s the best place to put the Ultra hard gel on? Thanks buddy

[Master Mal]

Master Mal what’s the best place to put the Ultra hard gel on? Thanks buddy

Bottle says to put it on the chest and upper arms, so that's where I've been using it.

[Queens1984]

Bottle says to put it on the chest and upper arms, so that's where I've been using it.

Thanks buddy

[Master Mal]

Hey all,

Three days out from the end of my Five-Week Ultra Hard cycle and feeling good on the herbs. At the moment, my lingering issues aren't really a problem. Libido is good (could use some improvement, but it's honestly fine). Erection quality is strong. And my prostate pain is totally gone. So yay!

Ultra Hard definitely gets my recommendation.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey all,

Three days out from the end of my Five-Week Ultra Hard cycle and feeling good on the herbs. At the moment, my lingering issues aren't really a problem. Libido is good (could use some improvement, but it's honestly fine). Erection quality is strong. And my prostate pain is totally gone. So yay!

Ultra Hard definitely gets my recommendation.

Solid product. The whole line is solid, imo.

How's things going?

[Master Mal]

Solid product. The whole line is solid, imo.

How's things going?

I'm feeling good! I can eat what what I want, drink what I want, and generally feeling strong.

I haven't seen able to properly lift, since the pandemic closed all the gyms in my area. I've mainly been doing resistance bands and body weight exercises, but it's just not the same. I think that's resulted in my lower libido as of late, but overall I think PFS is a thing of the past. My libido is probably due to my testosterone being a little lower than I'd like. Next month, I was considering doing a 4-Andro/Ultra Hard stack to raise that.

But yeah man, overall I'm doing really well! Other than pandemic blues of course, but who's not feeling that these days?

[Cdsnuts]

I'm feeling good! I can eat what what I want, drink what I want, and generally feeling strong.

I haven't seen able to properly lift, since the pandemic closed all the gyms in my area. I've mainly been doing resistance bands and body weight exercises, but it's just not the same. I think that's resulted in my lower libido as of late, but overall I think PFS is a thing of the past. My libido is probably due to my testosterone being a little lower than I'd like. Next month, I was considering doing a 4-Andro/Ultra Hard stack to raise that.

But yeah man, overall I'm doing really well! Other than pandemic blues of course, but who's not feeling that these days?

Great to hear.

Yeah, the pandemic has been a godsend for some, and a nightmare for others.

[Master Mal]

Based on a recommendation earlier in the thread, I started taking the Ancestral Supplements a few months ago.

Guys, I can tell you right now that I'm definitely a fan. I'm currently taking Mofo, Prostate, and Tallow. Definitely feeling more energy and a more balanced system.

I'm really looking forward to stacking them with a cycle of Ultra Hard in a month or two.

[Cdsnuts]

Based on a recommendation earlier in the thread, I started taking the Ancestral Supplements a few months ago.

Guys, I can tell you right now that I'm definitely a fan. I'm currently taking Mofo, Prostate, and Tallow. Definitely feeling more energy and a more balanced system.

I'm really looking forward to stacking them with a cycle of Ultra Hard in a month or two.

Looking at the ingredient profile of Mofo, I would cycle it. You are getting a small bit of exogenous Test from the bull testicles which is what gives it it's kick. Strange that the name of the brand is Male Optimization, don't you think?

I was reading earlier that you considered yourself recovered!! Have you made a recovery post yet?

[James897]

Looking at the ingredient profile of Mofo, I would cycle it. You are getting a small bit of exogenous Test from the bull testicles which is what gives it it's kick. Strange that the name of the brand is Male Optimization, don't you think?

I was reading earlier that you considered yourself recovered!! Have you made a recovery post yet?

It looks like he made a recovery post 1.5 years ago

[Master Mal]

Looking at the ingredient profile of Mofo, I would cycle it. You are getting a small bit of exogenous Test from the bull testicles which is what gives it it's kick. Strange that the name of the brand is Male Optimization, don't you think?

I was reading earlier that you considered yourself recovered!! Have you made a recovery post yet?

I did! I've been sitting pat at 90-95% recovered for a while now. My only remaining issue is a fluctuating libido. Sometimes it's great! Other times not so much. I'm really just looking to improve the consistency.

Also, I've taken a slight hit because I'm not allowed to properly lift because of lockdown. I haven't felt great because of it.

Anyway, I'll add the MOFO to the herb cycle and stay with the Prostate/Tallow daily going forward. I'll be doing another Ultra Hard run starting in March.

Thanks for the advice!

[Cdsnuts]

I did! I've been sitting pat at 90-95% recovered for a while now. My only remaining issue is a fluctuating libido. Sometimes it's great! Other times not so much. I'm really just looking to improve the consistency.

Also, I've taken a slight hit because I'm not allowed to properly lift because of lockdown. I haven't felt great because of it.

Anyway, I'll add the MOFO to the herb cycle and stay with the Prostate/Tallow daily going forward. I'll be doing another Ultra Hard run starting in March.

Thanks for the advice!

Great! I thought so but wasn't sure and didn't have time to go through the recovery posts.

Thanks for sticking around!

Yeah, the gym thing really sucks. Some are open, some aren't. Lucky mine still is. The only downside is working out with a fucking mask on......

[Master Mal]

Great! I thought so but wasn't sure and didn't have time to go through the recovery posts.

Thanks for sticking around!

Yeah, the gym thing really sucks. Some are open, some aren't. Lucky mine still is. The only downside is working out with a fucking mask on......

No worries, man. I really appreciate all your help. I'm not on here nearly as much, but I'm still keeping up with a lot of the protocol and experimenting kinda like Maxout.

I figure the least I can do is post something cool when I find out.

As for the gym, you're based in NJ if I remember correctly? I'm from Central Jersey, so I'm glad things aren't as bad there. I'm currently in LA, which I'm sure you heard is the epicenter of the pandemic. All the gyms are shut down, so I'm working out with resistance bands in my living room and doing hill sprints. Can't even find proper weights to buy.

[Cdsnuts]

No worries, man. I really appreciate all your help. I'm not on here nearly as much, but I'm still keeping up with a lot of the protocol and experimenting kinda like Maxout.

I figure the least I can do is post something cool when I find out.

As for the gym, you're based in NJ if I remember correctly? I'm from Central Jersey, so I'm glad things aren't as bad there. I'm currently in LA, which I'm sure you heard is the epicenter of the pandemic. All the gyms are shut down, so I'm working out with resistance bands in my living room and doing hill sprints. Can't even find proper weights to buy.

I'm from Central Jersey... Ocean County, Toms River, to be exact.....you?

And thanks. It's always my pleasure when someone takes the info given to them and makes things happen with it. I'm making a serious effort this year to ramp things up alot with the website and the work which it provides. Nothing better to me then getting those recovery posts from guys who thought their lives were over. Means the world to alot of people, myself included.

What are doing in LA? Work? I've never been but really don't have much desire to check it out because of the way the vibe is out there....I like Jersey where people will tell you what they think about you to your face as opposed to acting fake and saying it behind your back....lol. Heard the weather is nice though.....

And I know I've said this a hundred times, but keep going with the protocol.....things will just keep getting better, even when you think you're all the way healed......You'll be surprised.

[Master Mal]

I'm from Central Jersey... Ocean County, Toms River, to be exact.....you?

And thanks. It's always my pleasure when someone takes the info given to them and makes things happen with it. I'm making a serious effort this year to ramp things up alot with the website and the work which it provides. Nothing better to me then getting those recovery posts from guys who thought their lives were over. Means the world to alot of people, myself included.

What are doing in LA? Work? I've never been but really don't have much desire to check it out because of the way the vibe is out there....I like Jersey where people will tell you what they think about you to your face as opposed to acting fake and saying it behind your back....lol. Heard the weather is nice though.....

And I know I've said this a hundred times, but keep going with the protocol.....things will just keep getting better, even when you think you're all the way healed......You'll be surprised.

Not too far away from me! I'm from Princeton/Mercer County. I adored it there.

I always wanted to work in TV/Film, so I came out here. Honestly, I prefer the weather back East. I miss the seasons terribly, but the friends I made and the experiences I've had out here have been really great for personal growth. I don't think I would have had that if I had just stayed put. LA sucks until you find your tribe. Luckily, I have.

I was always into fitness before this. I lifted for years and worked hard to achieve peak fitness before crashing... so the protocol isn't all *that* different than what I was doing before. It just helped with this specific problem, so I'm just moving forward! I'm really thrilled I can just move on with my life and not focus on being sick all the time. All that's left is getting the libido back to 100% for when we're allowed to safely date again out here.

[Cdsnuts]

Not too far away from me! I'm from Princeton/Mercer County. I adored it there.

I always wanted to work in TV/Film, so I came out here. Honestly, I prefer the weather back East. I miss the seasons terribly, but the friends I made and the experiences I've had out here have been really great for personal growth. I don't think I would have had that if I had just stayed put. LA sucks until you find your tribe. Luckily, I have.

I was always into fitness before this. I lifted for years and worked hard to achieve peak fitness before crashing... so the protocol isn't all *that* different than what I was doing before. It just helped with this specific problem, so I'm just moving forward! I'm really thrilled I can just move on with my life and not focus on being sick all the time. All that's left is getting the libido back to 100% for when we're allowed to safely date again out here.

And that will come to, like the rest of it did. You know this. Just keep doing what you're doing and DON'T stop. You'll be so glad you did.

[Gomesgame]

How much would you put your libido on %? I remember i read a post of yours saying that you were in a state of sex drive that was actually good, seeing that before you had an "overwhelming libido" (just like me). Is it gone?

[Master Mal]

How much would you put your libido on %? I remember i read a post of yours saying that you were in a state of sex drive that was actually good, seeing that before you had an "overwhelming libido" (just like me). Is it gone?

I couldn't put a percentage on it. I can get hard just from sexting, but sexy thoughts don't cross my mind as much anymore without someone else initiating and I'd like to switch that up. I mean, there are days where I have plenty of libido, but it's irregular.

[TubZy]

I'm from Central Jersey... Ocean County, Toms River, to be exact.....you?

And thanks. It's always my pleasure when someone takes the info given to them and makes things happen with it. I'm making a serious effort this year to ramp things up alot with the website and the work which it provides. Nothing better to me then getting those recovery posts from guys who thought their lives were over. Means the world to alot of people, myself included.

What are doing in LA? Work? I've never been but really don't have much desire to check it out because of the way the vibe is out there....I like Jersey where people will tell you what they think about you to your face as opposed to acting fake and saying it behind your back....lol. Heard the weather is nice though.....

And I know I've said this a hundred times, but keep going with the protocol.....things will just keep getting better, even when you think you're all the way healed......You'll be surprised.

You are putting TR on the map - who would of thought haha

[Cdsnuts]

You are putting TR on the map - who would of thought haha

Lol.

[Master Mal]

Hey all,

Little update. Turns out most of my remaining symptoms weren't PFS at all, but Chronic Pelvic Pain. I imagine I've been under so much stress the last few years that my muscles tensed up. The funny thing is some of the symptoms are shared between the two conditions. Totally figured out what was going on by accident.

I started doing the stretches in the youtube link below twice a day and my symptoms are now much, much better after only a week. It's almost night and day. I actually think they would be great to introduce into the protocol, as they help get blood flowing down below which could really help some guys with PFS symptoms.

Stretches: Stretches: chronic pelvic pain syndrome - YouTube (https://youtu.be/J6tueuGlo1Q)

Right now, the only symptom I have left is my libido is a little lower than I'd like. But it turns out my lingering problems essentially weren't PFS related at all -- I'm definitely recovered there.

Hope you're all doing well. Keep up the fight. If you still are struggling, I promise it'll get better.

[HOPE]

Been saying this for a while. Addressing your pelvic floor is part of the recovery

[HOPE]

You think your pelvic floor is the cause of your low libido? Or is it something else

[Master Mal]

You think your pelvic floor is the cause of your low libido? Or is it something else

My libido has definitely done up lately. So I imagine it didn't help! Could have been a blood flow issue.

[Brooks]

My libido has definitely done up lately. So I imagine it didn't help! Could have been a blood flow issue.

Just want to thank you Mal! One of my most stubborn symptoms is shrinkage and classic pelvic dysfunction issues. I’ve always thought it’s strictly PFS but like you I’m NOW pretty convinced it’s Hard Flaccid/CPPS caused by the trauma and stress of PFS.

It’s so much less daunting knowing that and it’s totally fixable. I’ve already started the stretches in the video you shared. It’s unbelievable how tight I am. I’ll likely see a pelvic PT for further assistance. This and libido are the only symptoms that haven’t fell into the mild category yet so this is a huge find for me

[Master Mal]

Just want to thank you Mal! One of my most stubborn symptoms is shrinkage and classic pelvic dysfunction issues. I’ve always thought it’s strictly PFS but like you I’m NOW pretty convinced it’s Hard Flaccid/CPPS caused by the trauma and stress of PFS.

It’s so much less daunting knowing that and it’s totally fixable. I’ve already started the stretches in the video you shared. It’s unbelievable how tight I am. I’ll likely see a pelvic PT for further assistance. This and libido are the only symptoms that haven’t fell into the mild category yet so this is a huge find for me

I've made a huge improvement in just a week. I've also been taking Bee Pollen and Quercetin + Bromelain. I'm seeing a Pelvic Floor PT on Tuesday just to see what I can be doing even better, but it's really just a precaution. It's been night and day since I started.

Really hope this helps, buddy. I 100% believe these stretches should become part of the protocol.

[Brooks]

I've made a huge improvement in just a week. I've also been taking Bee Pollen and Quercetin + Bromelain. I'm seeing a Pelvic Floor PT on Tuesday just to see what I can be doing even better, but it's really just a precaution. It's been night and day since I started.

Really hope this helps, buddy. I 100% believe these stretches should become part of the protocol.

Do you think it’s still safe to do squats, deadlifts and sprints while fighting the pelvic issues? That’s my only concern. They’ve helped me a ton with PFS symptoms.

Also, I won’t be surprised if you’re libido fully recovers once you get the pelvic issues squared away.

[Master Mal]

Do you think it’s still safe to do squats, deadlifts and sprints while fighting the pelvic issues? That’s my only concern. They’ve helped me a ton with PFS symptoms.

Also, I won’t be surprised if you’re libido fully recovers once you get the pelvic issues squared away.

If you do have CPPS, you might want to cool it a little with those exercises just a tad. Concentrate on stretching and maybe see a PT to confirm what the deal down there is. Once your muscles are less tense I imagine your weights during those exercises will increase as well.

[Master Mal]

Had a great meeting with a physical therapist. As I suspected, my pelvic muscles were totally fucked but the good news is that's very fixable.

Turns out I've been breathing wrong for a long time (ie, not into my stomach) and I've been clenching a lot when I was stressed, which caused my muscles to become inflamed and basically squeeze the shit out of everything downstairs, including nerves, glands, and organs. It makes perfect sense, as the feeling always came up when I crashed or when things got really stressful.

I've been working on holding myself differently and breathing properly, and I'm already feeling positive results. The pain is subsiding, my workouts are more productive, and my ED is (slowly) subsiding. It's going to take more work, but I'm glad after all this time I've figured out what to do.

So, yeah. A word to everyone - when you crash or get stressed it's important to keep it together and develop positive coping mechanisms. You never know how your muscles will internalize something.

[Master Mal]

Had my second PT visit yesterday. Pain is much more diminished and my libido is going back up. Still have some ED, but I have a feeling that will get better too.

[petty3112]

Good to hear, Mal. I've started doing those stretches from the YouTube link you posted, and I'm hoping they help. I really believe that, in addition to the litany of other issues, the stress and trauma induced by PFS also causes substantial pelvic floor issues, which manifests itself in some of the libido and penile changes that many on this forum experience (myself included).

[Master Mal]

Good to hear, Mal. I've started doing those stretches from the YouTube link you posted, and I'm hoping they help. I really believe that, in addition to the litany of other issues, the stress and trauma induced by PFS also causes substantial pelvic floor issues, which manifests itself in some of the libido and penile changes that many on this forum experience (myself included).

I really recommend seeking out a pelvic floor PT as well. Mine has been incredibly helpful, and even without the benefit of insurance surprisingly affordable (125 per session) for the progress I'm making.

[LetsGo]

I really recommend seeking out a pelvic floor PT as well. Mine has been incredibly helpful, and even without the benefit of insurance surprisingly affordable (125 per session) for the progress I'm making.

Do you recommend it for guys who are still having upswings and downswings? And would we try to explain PFS to the pelvic floor therapist, or just explain the symptoms and see if they can help? I do have a feeling that I have pelvic floor issues, since after I urinate sometimes I temporarily get an hourglass shape.

I have a whole bunch of pelvic floor physical therapists near me that take my insurance, so I think it’s maybe $20 per session. Some brief online searching said that they do two sessions per week for 8 to 12 weeks as well as exercises to do at home.

[Master Mal]

Do you recommend it for guys who are still having upswings and downswings? And would we try to explain PFS to the pelvic floor therapist, or just explain the symptoms and see if they can help? I do have a feeling that I have pelvic floor issues, since after I urinate sometimes I temporarily get an hourglass shape.

I have a whole bunch of pelvic floor physical therapists near me that take my insurance, so I think it’s maybe $20 per session. Some brief online searching said that they do two sessions per week for 8 to 12 weeks as well as exercises to do at home.

I would totally recommend it for that stage. I was in so much pain over all this bullshit, and I learned from my PT it was because the stress was causing me to clench and breathe wrong.

I've relearning to breath through my belly not just doing Wim Hof, but all the time. I'm also identifying when I'm clenching and working on reverse kegels to counteract them. I also found out my inner thighs were tight as fuck, and when she massaged them my libido went up later that day.

I'm still doing work, but holy shit I wish I had known about this a long time ago. I could have been spared so much pain and worry I had cancer.

[Cdsnuts]

I would totally recommend it for that stage. I was in so much pain over all this bullshit, and I learned from my PT it was because the stress was causing me to clench and breathe wrong.

I've relearning to breath through my belly not just doing Wim Hof, but all the time. I'm also identifying when I'm clenching and working on reverse kegels to counteract them. I also found out my inner thighs were tight as fuck, and when she massaged them my libido went up later that day.

I'm still doing work, but holy shit I wish I had known about this a long time ago. I could have been spared so much pain and worry I had cancer.

Interesting. I've never needed it, but if it helps.

[Outlaw]

Hey Mal, really interesting stuff.

I just went to see a PT and he told me I was breathing wrong too, and that my sternum was really really tensed. He said it pulls on my neck muscles, which puts pressure on my eustachian tube, which could cause tinnitus and sound sensitivity.

Anyway, he gave me an exercise to do so I'm sharing here in case it helps some guys:

You lie down in bed, put one hand on your bellybutton and one hand on your pelvic bone. You breath through your stomach (so a hand on your sternum would barely move), so that both hands raise. You then exhale in a way that only lowers the bellybutton hand, and keeps the pelvic hand up. Then you empty your air to lower the pelvic hand. Repeat 25x morning and night.

He said this will also help my pelvic floor, which he suspects I have problems with. I had similar problems 2 years ago for a month or two, so it's not too far fetched. He said this exercise should help loosen everything in pelvic area and neck

[Cdsnuts]

Hey Mal, really interesting stuff.

I just went to see a PT and he told me I was breathing wrong too, and that my sternum was really really tensed. He said it pulls on my neck muscles, which puts pressure on my eustachian tube, which could cause tinnitus and sound sensitivity.

Anyway, he gave me an exercise to do so I'm sharing here in case it helps some guys:

You lie down in bed, put one hand on your bellybutton and one hand on your pelvic bone. You breath through your stomach (so a hand on your sternum would barely move), so that both hands raise. You then exhale in a way that only lowers the bellybutton hand, and keeps the pelvic hand up. Then you empty your air to lower the pelvic hand. Repeat 25x morning and night.

He said this will also help my pelvic floor, which he suspects I have problems with. I had similar problems 2 years ago for a month or two, so it's not too far fetched. He said this exercise should help loosen everything in pelvic area and neck

Yes....breathing with your diaphragm......

[petty3112]

Hey Mal, how are the pelvic floor exercises going? Are you still seeing results?

[Master Mal]

Hey Mal, how are the pelvic floor exercises going? Are you still seeing results?

Hey dude. I'm doing great! Exercises really helped and I've worked them into my pre-work out stretches that I do a few times a week. I also did a tribulus cycle or two to right the ship and my libido is almost back to 100%. As of right now, I'd say any lingering PFS symptoms or PFS-like symptoms are totally gone.

[lastnoirking87]

Hey dude. I'm doing great! Exercises really helped and I've worked them into my pre-work out stretches that I do a few times a week. I also did a tribulus cycle or two to right the ship and my libido is almost back to 100%. As of right now, I'd say any lingering PFS symptoms or PFS-like symptoms are totally gone.

Hello, could you explain what your tribulus cycle looked like? Brand of tribulus, dosage per day, duration of cycle, things you stopped or did differently while taking it, etc.?

[Master Mal]

Hello, could you explain what your tribulus cycle looked like? Brand of tribulus, dosage per day, duration of cycle, things you stopped or did differently while taking it, etc.?

Basically followed this (sorry to link to PH. It's a trash site, but the OG post here is good):

Update: still completely recovered, raging libido for the last four years - Therapeutic Efforts - propeciahelp.com (https://forum.propeciahelp.com/t/update-still-completely-recovered-raging-libido-for-the-last-four-years/33811)

Took this:

Amazon.com: Tribulus Terrestris Extract - 40% Protodioscin 90% Total Saponins - 60 500mg VegiCaps - Stearate Free! : Health Household (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N50KG1U?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details)

Keep in mind I was almost completely recovered when I did it.

[Cdsnuts]

Basically followed this (sorry to link to PH. It's a trash site, but the OG post here is good):

Update: still completely recovered, raging libido for the last four years - Therapeutic Efforts - propeciahelp.com (https://forum.propeciahelp.com/t/update-still-completely-recovered-raging-libido-for-the-last-four-years/33811)

Took this:

Amazon.com: Tribulus Terrestris Extract - 40% Protodioscin 90% Total Saponins - 60 500mg VegiCaps - Stearate Free! : Health Household (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N50KG1U?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details)

Keep in mind I was almost completely recovered when I did it.

I'd rather you not link that hell hole to this place, especially after the things they said about me. Just keep it in mind moving forward

[Master Mal]

Wasn't planning on doing it again. It was just easier than typing it all out. Apologies.

[petty3112]

Are you able to just copy and paste the post? I have made a point not to visit that site since the really dark days of my crash.

[Cdsnuts]

Are you able to just copy and paste the post? I have made a point not to visit that site since the really dark days of my crash.

There you go.

[Zerolibido]

This cunt came back On here liking for Cialis during lockdown 😂😂

[Zerolibido]

my libido is probably about the same it was before. I go to sex clubs and I'm always the horniest most sex crazed if not like top 3-4 of the guys that go.

I like to nut like 1-2 times a day. Only thing is though my erection quality isn't always the bomb but I think it's because I damaged part of the base of my dick when this stupid girl fell back on my dick when on top. She could have totally avoided it but she's a dumby and thought it's okay to fall back on it to indicate that she's tired. She's also an asshole and won't even respond to my texts and is a total bitch lol. Wouldn't mind sueing her lmao. Thinking of using the bathmate again to maybe recover it from what I read online that spongey tissue isn't recoverable unless you do surgery right away and the doc I saw said just rest it and didn't recommend surgery.

I do think the bathmate works directly by working on the spongey tissue though so might be worth a shot!

one of the signs of this is that when I use cialis I'm a fucking beast so I think my libido is high just my erections sometimes without it are like 80%
This gimp who's in his twenties using cialis

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