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Freepressright
03-14-2017, 12:24 PM
Wow, it feels like it’s been forever since I last launched a thread or participated on the board. Life’s been a busy one, and it feels great to be back.

Thanks to the generosity of MuscleGelz (as arranged by Wesley Inman), I am proud to announce my logging of the brand new AndroHard transdermal. As most of you probably already know, this is an attempt to clone the popular Primordial Performance beast that so many loved, but with a twist all its own.

Each pump of this very fast-drying gel contains 50mg of androsterone and 50mg of epiandrosterone. The tube contains enough Andro Hard that you could run it as high as 800 milligrams daily for an entire month.

I have used a number of different stano and epiandro products through the years, most recently having used IML’s EpiAndro RX. I began this product on Friday. It is now Tuesday, and like the EpiAndro RX, it is already doing something.

First, let’s start with a physical description of the gel. It dries faster than BPS Dermacrine and Andro Gel, without any trace of a sticky residue. I also believe it to be very fast absorbing.

The quantity of gel that comes out on each pump is far from being a lot. But the dose appears to be perfectly metered each time. I have been applying to the upper trunk area, particularly shoulders, upper back, back of neck and biceps – following Eric Portratz’ old rule of thumb about avoiding the stomach area with transdermals.

Friday I applied two pumps (200mg) at around 4:00 in the afternoon. Before bed that night I applied another 200mg. I had never gone higher than 400 with any stano before, save one occasion, and it made me feel overstimulated.

I awoke the next morning clear headed and ready to go. I figured since I wasn’t overstimulated, I’d apply 300mg. By the middle of the day I was feeling very bright eyed and energetic, so much so that I pondered the idea of using it as a way to help me break my caffeine addiction. More on that later.

I am a gigging musician, as some of you know. I went out and played a show Saturday night. At the end of a four-hour performance, I usually feel like I’ve been steam rolled. At the end of the night, I felt like I was ready to do it all over again.

This product gets an A+ for energy and mental clarity.

Sunday was my first lifting session after having taken it. I had lots of gas in the tank, the strength felt slightly enhanced and I walked out with a spring in my step. There was an enhancement to pumps for sure, but nothing over the top yet.

I felt so good by Monday that I decided I was going to try to quit caffeine. For at least the past five years, maybe longer, I have been a daily user of caffeine to an excessive degree. It has gotten so bad that I’m hitting between a half gram and a full gram of caffeine every day, between pre-workout and zero-carb/sugar energy drinks. It’s so bad that I really can’t feel much from them, but I crave them much like I craved cigarettes all those years ago when I smoked.

I made it through the morning and early afternoon with no issues. I felt pretty good overall, even after meal time. However, as 4:00 drew closer, I developed a raging headache behind my eyes, became irritable and just didn’t feel like myself. The withdrawal symptoms were starting to take over.

I made dinner, ate and went to bed around 6:30 or 7 just to avoid having to deal with them. I slept until a little after 5 this morning. I awoke and chose once again not to hit the caffeine. I applied my three pumps and headed out to the gym to hit shoulders.

I could barely tell that I had not taken a pre-workout. The clear head was there, I felt strong, pumps were enhanced and I walked out feeling great. I did, however, note that my muscles feel much tighter -- and stiffer, almost.

I really had to stretch today, and it felt like I was having to stretch extra hard to feel as flexible.

Already, my muscles have dried out significantly. The abs have really come out to play and any bloat is gone.
Libido wise, I guess now that I look at everything, I don’t know that it’s really going up much yet. It certainly hasn’t been hurt, but I’m not antsy for action any more than usual. I will be anxious to see just how much I can play with my carb intake without it hurting me, as I’m a Cyclical Keto Dieter.

Anyone with any questions, feel free to hit me up.

You can purchase this product here:

ANDRO HARD | Muscle Gelz (https://www.musclegelz.com/products/andro-hard/?wpam_id=5)

WesleyInman
03-14-2017, 12:34 PM
Excellent Start, thank you!!!!!!

ANDRO HARD | Muscle Gelz (https://www.musclegelz.com/products/andro-hard/?wpam_id=5)

Grape Ape
03-14-2017, 04:03 PM
In on this for sure.

Cdsnuts
03-14-2017, 05:19 PM
In as well.

Freepressright
03-14-2017, 07:28 PM
I was training a client tonight and we were doing different leg stretches. Dear god my inner thighs were stiff and tight. It was like trying to stretch a leather belt. I never have that issue.

The drying effect of this product is definitely more potent than I ever expected. Going to have to stretch like hell to play it safe and avoid muscle tears on heavy lifts.

Freepressright
03-15-2017, 07:01 AM
More on that drying effect...

My appetite is huge at the moment. It's been kind of "meh" for a while now. I haven't tried to bulk in ages because I just haven't had the appetite to do it.

Despite shoveling in a shit ton of high-fat calories and still keeping on the medium-low carb side, I decided last night that a giant bowl of full-fat, real-sugar ice cream was in order, just because. I chased it with about 300 calories of peanut butter, about a half hour before bed.

My meals yesterday were my morning protein shake, which is made with heavy whipping cream, two scoops of whey isolate and water for around 1,100 calories; followed by lunch that was a cheddar bacon flavored bratwurst patty (340 calories), a low-carb flax and grain wrap, two slices of sharp white cheddar, a low-carb Greek Yogurt with heavy whipping cream added for about another 100 calories, about 12 broccoli tots and a natural peanut butter serving with sugar-free strawberry preserves.

In between I had decaf coffee with a tablespoon of coconut oil.

For dinner I made faux macaroni and cheese with garlic cauliflower, Velveeta sauce, a pound of bacon and sharp cheddar. I ate about half the entire batch I made. My wife ate the other 1/4.

And before you ask, my bloodwork is stellar despite the high-fat intake. Lipids are very low.

For dessert, I already mentioned the ice cream and peanut butter. Decided to say screw it and throw some added carbs in there just for shits and giggles.

I woke up this morning leaner and drier than yesterday and I weigh about 3 pounds less than when I started the AndroHard on Friday. So, I'm down in weight, but not necessarily in size overall, if that makes sense.

It has dried me out tremendously. Today is leg day after work and I can't wait to see how I feel. And I had to bend on the cold turkey caffeine cessation. Two days of severe migraines was hell. I couldn't do it anymore. I broke and had a Zero energy drink. Got rid of the headache on the spot. Today I'm going back to coffee and I'm going to taper off with mixing in decaf gradually.

Energy was still good, even during the caffeine withdrawal. But it was the headaches that I couldn't deal with anymore.

Freepressright
03-19-2017, 06:20 PM
A few days have passed and I have been active in the gym and active on the stage. That being said, I really cannot say enough GREAT things about this compound.

The onset of benefits is being felt on a daily basis, more gradually with each passing day. I now have a full week and two days of dosing under my belt and I think I feel confident enough to say that MuscleGelz has hit it completely out of the park with capturing the bang for the buck, strength and effectiveness of the two best versions of AndroHard PP put out. Kudos to them, too, for having the balls to do a transdermal.

Before I continue singing the praises, I will bring up one potential downside. This ultra-fast-drying product does tend to leave you with some very minor skin irritation if you do not actively rotate application sites. I've had a little bit of dry skin and itching, but nothing over the top.

I, for a few days, applied to the quads and hamstrings. Seemed to work the same.

I trained legs last week, and despite my knees now hurting me anymore, the session was super strong. The CNS stimulation is evident on this compound because I feel much more stable in my fine motor movements. This is very common when on a DHT pro, for me. On Thursday I have a second upper body routine of the week and decided to hit the barbell flat bench to warm things up. Before I knew it, I was getting in on a powerlifting class on benching that was going on in my gym and wrenching the weight up no problem.

The one thing I noted in this workout was that my mind-muscle connection was incredibly focused. I felt every rep and every squeeze and felt like I was really getting something out of it that I don't normally. The pump was on the brink of skin tearing. That's a feeling I've missed.

As of Friday, the one thing I thought was missing (and it bummed me out) was an uptick in libido. But let me tell you, by the conclusion of Friday evening, the benefits started kicking in and they've been improving by the day. More on that another time.

I play in an AC/DC tribute band and I have the role of Angus Young. It is the most labor intensive gig in rock n' roll. We have a 2.5-hour show that has no set breaks. I have to run, jump, stomp, fall, climb and do all sorts of crazy things. I am normally absolutely wiped out at the end of that night, loaded to the gills with aches and pains and I am shot the next day.

NOT the case this time.

Although I was sore at the end of the night, it was nowhere near the degree it is normally. And my energy level was still good. I slept only four hours that night and awoke to take my sons to karate, my stepson to jiu jitsu and to train a client. I felt pretty good. And Saturday night, I played a full show with my other band and felt absolutely normal and not totally drained from the night before.

The anti-estrogen action of this compound is certainly evident. After going through some major financial struggles last year, I could no longer afford my herbal treatments. I opted to go on TRT because my insurance covered it and I was going on an elevator ride with my T levels. My life is hectic. I often work 7 days a week to support my large family and we have some major ex issues that has put my wife in a legal battle against her ex and it's costing us a ton of money.

I had recently developed some bad acne on my forearms after my TRT dose was bumped. Normally when I get hormonal acne, it isn't because of the test, but because of estrogen. One week in on this compound, and the acne is 98 percent gone.

Going to see how this week goes, but so far I am one happy logger.

SoCal-Nutrition
03-19-2017, 07:30 PM
subbed too

Maxout777
03-19-2017, 09:28 PM
In on this as well. Strongly considering replacing Super R Andro with this in my upcoming cycle. Glad to see it's working well with you.

bizzbee
03-27-2017, 02:42 PM
Freepress,

What sort of pct are you using?

Cdsnuts
03-28-2017, 07:50 AM
Damn FPR....

You okay?

Freepressright
03-30-2017, 10:05 AM
Wow, what a slacker I have been with this log thus far.

A turn of events in life has left me very busy. A little over a week ago I went to pick up my wife from an evening of drinks with her friends when an old, loud obnoxious drunk guy we are friends with came up to see me. This guy’s an old stocky brute who doesn’t know his own strength. He smacked me in the chest in a friendly manner, but happened to do so right on a lipoma (fatty cyst) I had been ignoring the last two years.

The smack almost took me to my knees and ruptured the capsule of the cyst. It had already been growing. After starting out the size of a pen cap, it had grown to almost nickel size. A day after the smack it was the size of a quarter.

I figured I had better get to the doc. So Thursday morning I went in for surgical removal. He said it was infected and that it would be a bitch to drain it all. He was right, it was. And did it ever hurt like hell.

After removing it as best he could, he was unable to stitch it up and instead packed it with a very long strip of gauze. Each day I have had to pull out one inch of it and snip it off.

Needless to say, it has been painful, gross and it kept me out of the gym until yesterday morning due to the pressure of weightlifting causing debilitating pain.

I have continued using the AndroHard in the meantime, though.

I made it back in to bench yesterday morning. Energy hasn’t been what it was. The early effects of energy enhancement have seemed to tame down. Of course we’ve also been passing around sinus colds at my house, so that could be part of it.

The uptick in libido I felt for a couple days has seemed to level off but might be back on the rebound.

On top of all this surgical bullshit I’ve dealt with myself, my wife also went in yesterday for gallbladder removal and she has been downright miserable for an extended period of time. And, oh yeah, she got fired hours before her surgery so there’s that too. We have a combined family of six kids so this will be a bit of a financial juggle.

The good news is that in the nearly week off from lifting, body comp still looks great. Killed the chest and back yesterday. It’s leg day today. I will keep you all posted.

Cdsnuts
03-30-2017, 10:15 AM
Wow, what a slacker I have been with this log thus far.

A turn of events in life has left me very busy. A little over a week ago I went to pick up my wife from an evening of drinks with her friends when an old, loud obnoxious drunk guy we are friends with came up to see me. This guy’s an old stocky brute who doesn’t know his own strength. He smacked me in the chest in a friendly manner, but happened to do so right on a lipoma (fatty cyst) I had been ignoring the last two years.

The smack almost took me to my knees and ruptured the capsule of the cyst. It had already been growing. After starting out the size of a pen cap, it had grown to almost nickel size. A day after the smack it was the size of a quarter.

I figured I had better get to the doc. So Thursday morning I went in for surgical removal. He said it was infected and that it would be a bitch to drain it all. He was right, it was. And did it ever hurt like hell.

After removing it as best he could, he was unable to stitch it up and instead packed it with a very long strip of gauze. Each day I have had to pull out one inch of it and snip it off.

Needless to say, it has been painful, gross and it kept me out of the gym until yesterday morning due to the pressure of weightlifting causing debilitating pain.

I have continued using the AndroHard in the meantime, though.

I made it back in to bench yesterday morning. Energy hasn’t been what it was. The early effects of energy enhancement have seemed to tame down. Of course we’ve also been passing around sinus colds at my house, so that could be part of it.

The uptick in libido I felt for a couple days has seemed to level off but might be back on the rebound.

On top of all this surgical bullshit I’ve dealt with myself, my wife also went in yesterday for gallbladder removal and she has been downright miserable for an extended period of time. And, oh yeah, she got fired hours before her surgery so there’s that too. We have a combined family of six kids so this will be a bit of a financial juggle.

The good news is that in the nearly week off from lifting, body comp still looks great. Killed the chest and back yesterday. It’s leg day today. I will keep you all posted.

Damn man. It seems like you just can't catch a fucking break!

I hope things turn around for you soon.

Freepressright
03-31-2017, 06:42 AM
Damn man. It seems like you just can't catch a fucking break!

I hope things turn around for you soon.

Yeah, about that never catching a break...

Last night I took my stepson to jiu jitsu and went to the weight room in back to do some squatting. They had two different personal training sessions going on and I was unable to get the equipment I needed. Something also told me not to start a workout. I just had a feeling in my gut something was going to go wrong.

And sure as shit, it did.

My stepson was grappling the coach. The coach pinned his arm. He tried to break free from the lock and popped his wrist, causing a radial fracture. I had to rush out, go home and get my wife who is recovering from gallbladder removal and we spent the evening at the hospital.

I sure as hell hope next week is normal.

Cdsnuts
03-31-2017, 06:45 AM
Yeah, about that never catching a break...

Last night I took my stepson to jiu jitsu and went to the weight room in back to do some squatting. They had two different personal training sessions going on and I was unable to get the equipment I needed. Something also told me not to start a workout. I just had a feeling in my gut something was going to go wrong.

And sure as shit, it did.

My stepson was grappling the coach. The coach pinned his arm. He tried to break free from the lock and popped his wrist, causing a radial fracture. I had to rush out, go home and get my wife who is recovering from gallbladder removal and we spent the evening at the hospital.

I sure as hell hope next week is normal.

Dude....

You gotta have some goodness coming your way....you're due.

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Grape Ape
04-01-2017, 03:08 PM
Feeling your pain FPR. This aren't too well on this side lately. Trying to keep my mind focused on the positive so I don't have a break down.

Just got my Androhard bottle. FPR, do you think the pumps are accurate? Seem way to small to be a ml. I might try to measure with an oral syringe, but I dont want to over do it. Running four pumps right now.

WesleyInman
04-06-2017, 08:08 AM
Good info so far!! Thanks.

And nice to see the Swole Source family.

Trying to make my way back here more often..just been super busy.

I do see some of the crew on FB which is nice.

Cdsnuts
04-06-2017, 08:23 AM
Good info so far!! Thanks.

And nice to see the Swole Source family.

Trying to make my way back here more often..just been super busy.

I do see some of the crew on FB which is nice.
What's your Facebook page Wes? I didn't know you had one

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WesleyInman
04-06-2017, 04:41 PM
What's your Facebook page Wes? I didn't know you had one

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The forum is called "Strength and Physique Super Board 2.0 aka SSB2.0. You have to have a real profile to get on, no fake users are admitted.

Great forum I have hundreds of IFBB Pros, like Phil Hernon, Dorian yates, Frank zane, Kevin Levrone...various Worlds Strongest Men, Pro Powerlifters and of course your every day gym rats and gym enthusiasts like us on there. Anyone from SS is welcome!

Cdsnuts
04-06-2017, 07:04 PM
The forum is called "Strength and Physique Super Board 2.0 aka SSB2.0. You have to have a real profile to get on, no fake users are admitted.

Great forum I have hundreds of IFBB Pros, like Phil Hernon, Dorian yates, Frank zane, Kevin Levrone...various Worlds Strongest Men, Pro Powerlifters and of course your every day gym rats and gym enthusiasts like us on there. Anyone from SS is welcome!

Nice...I just joined...Hopefull you'll let me in.....ha

ireland
04-13-2017, 06:31 AM
Picking up on this now. Great to see another of the old PP crew going strong. Interesting twist to say the least.

Freepressright
04-13-2017, 09:17 AM
And now the moment you’ve all been waiting for…

Deep apologies to the masses who are following. As most of you have seen, life has had its shares of ups and downs. The good news is that I am at a much calmer place now to get back into this.

I have been taking the Androhard consistently every day, even with the cyst removal and time in recovery. I got a full workout week in last week and have been on track this week.

My assessment of this compound so far is one of a lot of mixed feelings. AndroHard TD has a lot of ups and downs. Some days it feels great, other days I feel nothing at all.

It had a very strong start. Energy levels initially spiked, but then leveled off. I upped the dose and the energy somewhat returned. Then things leveled off again quickly.

Libido was unchanged, then it went up a few days, then it went down, and back up, and down again.

Current dosing protocol is 5 pumps in the morning and 5 at night, for a grand total of 1 gram per today, AND…. Now the feeling of overstimulation is upon me. I felt this with Antaeus Labs Ultra Stano when I went over 400 a day.

The overstimulation feeling is one of a dirty but not-severe headache and slight feeling of shakiness. It’s akin to taking too much caffeine, I’d guess. And it’s almost a tunnel vision kind of feeling. I’m thinking that 800 per day is the magic number and that anything more than that is too much.

Pumps are just kind of meh on this, but then again I’ve been out of Creatine HCI for a while and I’ve been an avid user for years. 3 or 4 grams pre-workout always seemed to give me a lot of pump response.

Strength is only slightly enhanced at this point, too.

While there are positives to this product, I’m starting to kind of fall out of love with it, considering the price. But I’m sticking it out nonetheless because I can definitely see signs of E2 reduction and flattening.

ireland
04-13-2017, 12:57 PM
To be fair my friend, it seems a good run. When u consider the outside factors u have dealt with during it, I am intrigued by its possibility. As I know u from way back, I know ur opinion is of great value.
I love the TD option. I am on TRT with 2 tubes of testim a day and I feel fantastic with tremendous gains (up to 242 lbs) so any product which falls in this category will have my attention.
For an old timer like me, give me a comparison on what product this reminds u most of.

Freepressright
04-13-2017, 01:09 PM
To be fair my friend, it seems a good run. When u consider the outside factors u have dealt with during it, I am intrigued by its possibility. As I know u from way back, I know ur opinion is of great value.
I love the TD option. I am on TRT with 2 tubes of testim a day and I feel fantastic with tremendous gains (up to 242 lbs) so any product which falls in this category will have my attention.
For an old timer like me, give me a comparison on what product this reminds u most of.

This is definitely more akin to Antaeus Labs Ultra Stano oral (epiandro/stano PH with cyclodextrin) in terms of feeling. It doesn't feel quite the same as IML's EpiAndro RX.

And I bet you feel great on two tubes of Testim a day. I am convinced that transdermal TRT is incredibly stable and definitely the best form in terms of DHT conversion and libido stimulation. I've always wondered what it would feel like to be on a higher dose of a transdermal test.

Cdsnuts
04-13-2017, 01:10 PM
This is definitely more akin to Antaeus Labs Ultra Stano oral (epiandro/stano PH with cyclodextrin) in terms of feeling. It doesn't feel quite the same as IML's EpiAndro RX.

And I bet you feel great on two tubes of Testim a day. I am convinced that transdermal TRT is incredibly stable and definitely the best form in terms of DHT conversion and libido stimulation. I've always wondered what it would feel like to be on a higher dose of a transdermal test.
I'd consider running that, lol

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ireland
04-13-2017, 01:35 PM
Testim is fantastic for me, my bloods are great and I love it to be honest. Running a 12 wk RAD140 and Ostarine cycle (4 weeks in and going well) I may log it as the combo of sarms and TRT is an interesting one.

Freepressright
04-15-2017, 09:41 AM
I decided to take an entire day off of the compound to see if that overstimulated, anxiety-like feeling would go away. And I'm happy to report that it did. So today I started off with three pumps. I think a gram a day is too much for my system. Going to stick with 600-800 a day.

Freepressright
04-17-2017, 09:36 AM
Going to refer back to what I said a few posts ago about the absence of Creatine HCI for the last couple of months. I snagged up some Con-Cret on sale this weekend, tossed 3 grams down the hatch for a couple days and it was like magic. Pumps are back and that boost in push has returned.

This is one of very few non-hormonal agents that plain fucking works, like what DJM used to say often. I laughed at him the time he said 3 to 4 grams was "PH like" in terms of feeling/results. All these years later, he was definitely right.

I stopped taking it because I felt desensitized to it. Let me tell you, I sure missed it and am happy for its return. I'm just going to need to cycle off every now and then, apparently.

Cdsnuts
04-17-2017, 09:44 AM
Going to refer back to what I said a few posts ago about the absence of Creatine HCI for the last couple of months. I snagged up some Con-Cret on sale this weekend, tossed 3 grams down the hatch for a couple days and it was like magic. Pumps are back and that boost in push has returned.

This is one of very few non-hormonal agents that plain fucking works, like what DJM used to say often. I laughed at him the time he said 3 to 4 grams was "PH like" in terms of feeling/results. All these years later, he was definitely right.

I stopped taking it because I felt desensitized to it. Let me tell you, I sure missed it and am happy for its return. I'm just going to need to cycle off every now and then, apparently.
I'm thinking concrete along with epic Unleashed would be a great combo

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Grape Ape
04-17-2017, 01:36 PM
Bulk HCL is dirt cheap these days.

Freepressright
04-18-2017, 06:13 AM
Bulk HCL is dirt cheap these days.

This is absolutely true.

I'm actually getting ripped off buying ConCret. I'm paying double for a name and good flavoring.

WalMart has a direct knock off of the lemon lime ConCret that is dosed the same, as the exact same ingredient profile and it works just as well. It's essentially half of what ConCret costs. But our Walmart sucks and has half of what other Walmart stores (even one's 25 minutes away) have, so I have to grab it when I'm out of town.

Freepressright
08-08-2017, 11:51 AM
I guess I never really offered a final assessment of this product as I logged it. Looking back, I should probably ice the cake now.

This compound has a very fine line between "not enough" and "too much." It takes some care and precision to dial in an appropriate dose that produces all the benefits, but without the sides.

I can tell you that when I overdo an epiandro/stano product, I literally feel so overstimulated that it's almost intoxicating. I have an odd "pins and needles" kind of feeling. A gram was definitely more than I can handle. I didn't bother checking my BP because I was afraid, but it felt like it was through the roof at a gram.

I think 600-800 was definitely my comfort zone on this compound.

burlyman30
08-31-2017, 10:16 AM
As you know, I was a huge fan of the original Primordial LiquiVade Androhard. Wesley just sent me a bottle of the Muscle Gelz Androhard and I started it yesterday. Had a "warm" feeling within 30-45 mins and seemed to have better mental clarity and focus. I have a lot of paperwork to today, so I'll be putting that focus to the test. Looking forward to testing this out this month and though I won't be logging it, I'll try to remember to come back here after a few weeks with an assessment. 💪

Glad to see that you are on TRT to balance things out. The acne is definitely from the aromatization. I have to use an AI and a SERM at low doses just for TRT levels... Apparently my body loves to aromatize estrogen. 😬

Freepressright
09-07-2017, 11:30 AM
I have to use an AI and a SERM at low doses just for TRT levels... Apparently my body loves to aromatize estrogen. 😬

This is me all the way.

At even 200mg of cypionate a week, Exemestane is a must. I get horrible brain fog and acne without it. Even at 100mg a week, the brain fog was there.