Random questions

[PeterA]

I think its a good idea with a thread for random question, all kind of questions!

My question is - is it okay to use Cialis or Viagra sometimes, i mean really rarely, just to have really good sex sometimes?
Because as i know is it PDA5 Inhibitors.
And is creatine important for healing or not at all?

Thank you guys :-)

[PeterA]

And how bad is Pepsi max/Cola zero for example?

[Snell1234]

And how bad is Pepsi max/Cola zero for example?

Pepsi max/ Cola zero is a definite no. Clearly.

Others will have to advise on the other questions.

[Maxout777]

PDE5s are fine at first. Helps build confidence at first. I used them way back in the beginning.

[PeterA]

Okay thank you very much!!
And i would like to know, how important is it to drink 4 quarts pr day while fasting?

[Hulk Smash]

And how bad is Pepsi max/Cola zero for example?

This is a big NO for me. The caramel color in these drinks are toxic and can make anyone sick in the long run.

Also I think its important to minimize ingesting unhealthy foods as much as possible.
You're probably stressing your digestive system and losing energy that can be used for healing.

[Cdsnuts]

Okay thank you very much!!
And i would like to know, how important is it to drink 4 quarts pr day while fasting?

I thought you completed a 14 day juice feast?

If you're talking about fasting, with water, you can get by on as little as a liter a day. When feasting, you want to drink at LEAST four quarts of juice, preferably 5 or 6. You simply want to replace your caloric intake with the juice as much as you can. When I did a 45 day feast, I made sure to get 3,000 calories a day from my juices. I drank around 6 quarts.

[Cdsnuts]

This is a big NO for me. The caramel color in these drinks are toxic and can make anyone sick in the long run.

Also I think its important to minimize ingesting unhealthy foods as much as possible.
You're probably stressing your digestive system and losing energy that can be used for healing.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^

And let's not forget Cola zero is loaded with artificial sweeteners which are horrible for you at best.

If it's made by man, stay away from it. If it's created by mother nature, you're good to go as long as it's in the Paleo realm.

[PeterA]

Yes i completed the 14 days juice feast. But day 7, 8, 9 and 10 i only drank around 3 quarts?
Is that a big deal?

[Maxout777]

Yes i completed the 14 days juice feast. But day 7, 8, 9 and 10 i only drank around 3 quarts?
Is that a big deal?

That's fine, like CD just stated, his suggestion is ideally. Not like you'll need to go back and do the fast because of the fact you didn't have 6 quarts a few days.

[PeterA]

Okay thanks Max!
Do you guys know how bad snuff is for the healing process?
I just mean i think its more a problem for our gums and teeth? Or?

[Cdsnuts]

Okay thanks Max!
Do you guys know how bad snuff is for the healing process?
I just mean i think its more a problem for our gums and teeth? Or?

Can I just.....are you.....What the.....are you fucking serious man? Maybe I'm in a mood right now, but your questions have just been of such a ridiculous nature that I'm not sure if you're fucking with us or not.

Next you're going to ask if heroin is okay while healing.....

[PeterA]

No its actually a really serious question.
You know how a man with PFS feel.
And its not easy, that's why I ask.
Because one snuff bag pr day for example will help me, because then i calm down. Its a really strict diet.
Actually I hoped that you could understand me.

[Cdsnuts]

No its actually a really serious question.
You know how a man with PFS feel.
And its not easy, that's why I ask.
Because one snuff bag pr day for example will help me, because then i calm down. Its a really strict diet.
Actually I hoped that you could understand me.

If you want to calm down, practice breathing exercises. Breath Work | (http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/breath-work/)

It will calm you right down and it's good for your whole body, where as tobacco is not. But then again, everyone knows tobacco is not a healthy lifestyle choice regardless of PFS or not.

Exercise will also calm you down once it's complete.

Proper herb cycling will calm you down by boosting the right hormones.

Meditation will calm you down when practiced correctly.

Avoiding chemicals and substances will calm you down.

Mobility work will calm you down by releasing endorphins once the muscle knots are released.

High dose vitamin D or sun exposure will calm you down.

Avoiding dietary allergens will calm you down. Most people that switch to a gluten free diet not only notice a sense of mental clarity but they feel more centered and calm.

I not only understand you, I'm giving you HEALTHY options to get you where you need to go. You couldn't possibly think that tobacco was a healthy option?

[DrivenToRecover]

I'm curious why r-andro can't be taken for an extended period of time to fast track recovery?


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[Maxout777]

I'm curious why r-andro can't be taken for an extended period of time to fast track recovery?


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I always start feeling a suppression near the end of the six weeks. Or just an odd feeling that feels kinda down. That's why I've never ran it longer. I guess it possibly could, but I'd be hesitant to.

[DrivenToRecover]

I'm two weeks off & I'm missing the feeling lol

Strange that you felt worse while on cycle at the end?

I thought you only felt suppression afterwards.


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[Cdsnuts]

I'm curious why r-andro can't be taken for an extended period of time to fast track recovery?


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Because the longer you're on it the more you're going to run into suppression issues. You don't want that. It causes it's own set of problems. And it's really not that strange because the same thing happens to me. I love being on cycle, but towards the end, I know it's time to come off.

[Maxout777]

I'm two weeks off & I'm missing the feeling lol

Strange that you felt worse while on cycle at the end?

I thought you only felt suppression afterwards.


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Usually yeah, but idk. There's definitely something that changes near the end. Like my body feels like it's tired of being run in overdrive or something. I always miss some of the feeling after I get off.....but I usually overall feel better once I get off (as opposed to the last week on).

[DrivenToRecover]

I figured that was it, but TRT can be used long term?


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[Cdsnuts]

I figured that was it, but TRT can be used long term?


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????

TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) is used when guys have given up all hope of functioning naturally again.

You basically take over the job of your testicles for the rest of your life. It's the exact opposite of what my site was created for.

You become tied to the pharmaceutical pad forever. It's also a full-time job to make sure your levels stay within the proper ranges.

[PeterA]

Is honey okay while following the regime? :-)

[Cdsnuts]

Is honey okay while following the regime? :-)

Yes

[PeterA]

Are there any things you can "over eat", like to many bananas, to many eggs or something like that?

[Swill]

Are there any things you can "over eat", like to many bananas, to many eggs or something like that?

Literally everything. Don't drink too much water either or you will die.

[Cdsnuts]

Are there any things you can "over eat", like to many bananas, to many eggs or something like that?
I had one guy who ate too many bananas and turned into a monkey.

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[K8668B]

I had one guy who ate too many bananas and turned into a monkey.

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LOLLLLL!!!!

Actually i have a random question myself. I like this thread. I think it was a great idea.

My question is, is flaxseed oil bad for you? My instincts are telling me its good. It has all the essential fats that you need. And i have the vitamin shoppe brand. It is organic flaxseed oil. And it is free of yeast, wheat, gluten, corn, sugar, salt, soy, starch, dairy, citrus, animal derivatives, preservatives, artificial colors and flavors. This to me sounds really good.

But if you do research online, one website will tell you its bad, while another will tell you its good.

I threw away my vitamin shoppe fish oil because it had soy in it. And ive definitely felt the negative effects of it in the past! But i wonder about flaxseed oil. I hope its not estrogenic or detrimental. Im sick and tired of being married to the estrogen bullshit of the world. I only want my estrogen from one source, if you know what i mean.

[Durantia37]

I turn into a monkey for brief periods each time I crash, but that's actually gotten a little better recently.

To answer your question Peter, I've gotten the best results from the following simple program:

Step 1: Get to know the Paleo/protocol foods list intimately. Buy only these foods (organic and/or local) and eat only the foods you personally buy.

Step 2: With the exception of high gi carbs like white rice, potatoes, honey, etc., eat exactly what your body wants when it wants it until it doesn't want anymore.

Step 3: Eat those high gi foods when it's dark outside and you've lifted that day.

That's what I do and it works. I find it too stressful to be completely orthodox with backloading (i.e. absolutely zero carbohydrates during the day). If I want a banana, I eat one. My body probably desires it for a reason. Plus it's like..is a carrot a carb? Kind of? I don't feel like worrying about that shit on top of everything else.

I also find backloading to be easier with a later workout, and virtually impossible with a morning workout. To lift heavy and then go 12 hours without any carbs doesn't work for my body and I can't imagine how anyone could do it.

Anyway, that's a fairly simple and easy diet plan anyone should be able to follow mindlessly after a month of practice.

[PeterA]

Im following paleo and do carb backloading as well.
I start eat carbs from around 18:00 and then to around 00:00.
My question is then, is it the right way or?

[Cdsnuts]

Im following paleo and do carb backloading as well.
I start eat carbs from around 18:00 and then to around 00:00.
My question is then, is it the right way or?

That is fine.

[PeterA]

Perfect! Thanks! :-)

[tom]

this might sound stupid but I had never read it on a recovery description. do you get back the itch/oily scalp and hairloss rate from before fin?
don't get me wrong, I want it to happen, I don't give a shit about my hair. But I never saw people mentioning it.

[Durantia37]

I'm only partially recovered, but when I'm in "up" swings I get oily skin and hair loss, and when I'm in down swings I get drier skin and my hair looks better. Seems pretty clear that oily skin and hair loss return.

[PeterA]

Hello.
Im 3 weeks into the protocol, and its easier and easier.
Im 23 years old and a very social person, so obviously its not that easy.
I have to say no to many things, to many things i usually would say yes.
That is really hard, because everytime i say "no thanks", then i think about it and think "FUCK PFS".
Status right now:
Morning wood(70%) almost every morning, i can fuck my girlfriend every 3-4 day, but im not hard rock and not really horny.
I dont have physical changes like "man boobs", "facial changes" etc.
But im very far from a recovery, im almost never horny, never have random boners and so.
My mental function is up and down, i got a hair transplant for 10 month ago and i regret it as well, like finasteride.
So that make it even harder for me...
But i have the best friends, the best girlfriend, the best family and everyone loves me.
But i will be myself again and do whatever i want, drink alcohol when i wanna drink alcohol, eat pizza when i wanna eat pizza etc.
So thats why im really motivated and will do anything to beat this shit!!!
I know its difficult to set a timeline on this.
BUT Based on the information up here^^:
What do you guys think? Do you think i have to follow the protocol 6 months, 1 year, 2 years or?


Thank you very much.

[Maxout777]

Hello.
Im 3 weeks into the protocol, and its easier and easier.
Im 23 years old and a very social person, so obviously its not that easy.
I have to say no to many things, to many things i usually would say yes.
That is really hard, because everytime i say "no thanks", then i think about it and think "FUCK PFS".
Status right now:
Morning wood(70%) almost every morning, i can fuck my girlfriend every 3-4 day, but im not hard rock and not really horny.
I dont have physical changes like "man boobs", "facial changes" etc.
But im very far from a recovery, im almost never horny, never have random boners and so.
My mental function is up and down, i got a hair transplant for 10 month ago and i regret it as well, like finasteride.
So that make it even harder for me...
But i have the best friends, the best girlfriend, the best family and everyone loves me.
But i will be myself again and do whatever i want, drink alcohol when i wanna drink alcohol, eat pizza when i wanna eat pizza etc.
So thats why im really motivated and will do anything to beat this shit!!!
I know its difficult to set a timeline on this.
BUT Based on the information up here^^:
What do you guys think? Do you think i have to follow the protocol 6 months, 1 year, 2 years or?


Thank you very much.
If you're still trying to put a timeline on it, you've got the wrong idea. No one can tell you a time line. It's literally impossible.

Just stick with it until you're healed, then at a minimum another six months to prevent any possible downswings. Easy as that.....if you try and put a timeline on it you'll make yourself miserable.

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[PeterA]

Okay thank you!
But for example the thing about morning wood(70%) almost every morning, is that a good sign or is it pretty normal after following the protocol 3 weeks?

[PeterA]

And what about the supplements for "optimizing the brain" - Bacopa and L-Theanine. And the 3 supplements for "sleep"
Are these supplements necessary for the protocol or?

[Maxout777]

Yes, that's a good sign. And no those aren't necessary I guess, but why wouldn't you do EVERYTHING you can if you're so concerned about time?

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[PeterA]

Because im a student, and all this stuff is expensive. Thats why i asked witch one of the supplements i dont need.
And i dont really have "sleep" problems, so i think that is not that important for me.
I think "the big 3" is herbs, exercise and diet - right?
I eat a lot of tuna in sunflower oil, is it better to buy tuna in water or is it okay?

[daniel1286]

I have question - has anyone on here suffered from Psoriasis since taking finasteride?

And if so did this protocol improve that?

[Durantia37]

It would be better to eat it in water if you can. You want to eliminate PUFAs. Cook with coconut oil or organic animal lard.

If there's one thing you can skip, it's the brain supplements, imo. I do them but don't notice very much. And theanine makes me anxious. Just my experience.

You might find yourself not caring about socializing and drinking and eating pizza eventually. I used to go out like 2 or 3 times a week. At first I was always counting down to when I could do those things again. Now I probably wouldn't start drinking again even if I got magically healed overnight. It's like those things have a spell over you that you snap out of after prolonged abstinence.

[PeterA]

I dont know anything about your guys private life. But socializing is a very big and important thing for humans, and socializing will always be funnier when you can do what you want and not worry about everything you eat and drink.

[Maxout777]

I dont know anything about your guys private life. But socializing is a very big and important thing for humans, and socializing will always be funnier when you can do what you want and not worry about everything you eat and drink.
Thanks, captain obvious - I'm pretty sure all of us here would've enjoyed to continue drinking and partying during our recovery. I felt so shitty after my crash that drinking and socializing was the LAST thing on my mind, however.

Unfortunately for me, I was dealt a hand that was something I wanted to get rid of no matter what the cost was. Of course it's more fun to drink and carry on with your friends...but it was more important to me to have a working sex life and be the best me I could be again to all those who I love in my life. I couldn't have my cake and eat it too. I had drinks the other day with old friends and it felt just like it used to and how I enjoyed it - this is just proof that you'll be able to get there one day again too.

If it's more important to you to have drinks than just buckle down for a year or two and get your life back, then that's up to you chief. That's all life is, just one decision after the next with you the sole inhertitant of all the decisions you've made. If you want it bad enough, you'll get it - if you don't, then you won't.

[Cdsnuts]

I dont know anything about your guys private life. But socializing is a very big and important thing for humans, and socializing will always be funnier when you can do what you want and not worry about everything you eat and drink.
What's your point? Everything you stated is common knowledge

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[PeterA]

Maxout - i know, and everything you say is true! But you say "buckle down"?
I thought it was no zip of alcohol at all until you feel 100%?
CD nuts - my point is that i think your preferences for life is so different to mine. Im only 23 and I love to hang out with my friends and chill with nice food and drinks etc.
You say you still follow the protocol. I dont care what you say, but uits impossible to enjoy social life 100% while following the protocol and then i will give a shit about "Alphamale" my old life is all i want back.

[K8668B]

If you're still trying to put a timeline on it, you've got the wrong idea. No one can tell you a time line. It's literally impossible.

Just stick with it until you're healed, then at a minimum another six months to prevent any possible downswings. Easy as that.....if you try and put a timeline on it you'll make yourself miserable.

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agreed! you couldnt have said it any better, maxout. Allthough i am progressing, i do still have my bad days. and i recently learned myself to no longer put a timeline on my recovery. its the best thing you can do to not make yourself miserable. not putting a timeline on your recovery, alone, in a weird way i believe can speed up your recovery as well.

[K8668B]

Maxout - i know, and everything you say is true! But you say "buckle down"?
I thought it was no zip of alcohol at all until you feel 100%?
CD nuts - my point is that i think your preferences for life is so different to mine. Im only 23 and I love to hang out with my friends and chill with nice food and drinks etc.
You say you still follow the protocol. I dont care what you say, but uits impossible to enjoy social life 100% while following the protocol and then i will give a shit about "Alphamale" my old life is all i want back.


Heheh... let me help you out my friend.

I had pfs at 23 years old as well. but i didnt know it at the time. i didnt even know there was a such thing as pfs back then. This is the exact age i was in the prime of my socializing, drinking alcohol, smoking weed, and god knows what else during that time period. All that shit got me nowhere. I am now almost 31 years old, in a few days. The alcohol will only get you in trouble, the high from the weed feels like shit (due to the effects of PFS), and 80% of those people you're hanging around with doing all that stuff, are a bunch of scum anyway. I had all these people around me, and it still did nothing for me. Half of these people were users, abusers, lowlifes, and people who did not give a rats ass about me. Those people are all cockroaches. Snakes in the grass. I learned the hard way. Ive been through some shit. I am still standing though, stronger than ever. That scene is all garbage anyways, you truly are not missing out on anything. During this time period, i also lost alot of muscle and weight/size from the constant drinking/partying. Made me look like shit too. Ditch all of this garbage, and get rid of the weed and alcohol temporarily. Thats the main thing. You will be able to have fun again, and you will do so as a MUCH stronger and better version of yourself, and you will have your dick and libido back as well. Most of those party girls wont put up with a pfs dick, so you aint missing anything. The sooner you start, the sooner you can get back to having fun again, and doing these things.

[DrivenToRecover]

Maxout - i know, and everything you say is true! But you say "buckle down"?
I thought it was no zip of alcohol at all until you feel 100%?
CD nuts - my point is that i think your preferences for life is so different to mine. Im only 23 and I love to hang out with my friends and chill with nice food and drinks etc.
You say you still follow the protocol. I dont care what you say, but uits impossible to enjoy social life 100% while following the protocol and then i will give a shit about "Alphamale" my old life is all i want back.

I've had pfs from 23-24 my man so I get it. All I cared about was girls, friends, sports, music, and drugs. I'm a very free spirited, let life come to me, type of person naturally...but being that person won't get you to recovered from this. It sucks, but recovery won't just come to you as you live the same way.

I've had to re-invent myself as a very disciplined person to fight this thing. At first it was hard, but I'm embracing how its changing me to be a better person. You can absolutely get there too.

The sooner you can make this change, the sooner you will be healed.

[Durantia37]

Maxout - i know, and everything you say is true! But you say "buckle down"?
I thought it was no zip of alcohol at all until you feel 100%?
CD nuts - my point is that i think your preferences for life is so different to mine. Im only 23 and I love to hang out with my friends and chill with nice food and drinks etc.
You say you still follow the protocol. I dont care what you say, but uits impossible to enjoy social life 100% while following the protocol and then i will give a shit about "Alphamale" my old life is all i want back.

Nobody's preferences are different dude. Two attractive girls I met at Bonnaroo last year keep asking me why I won't come to Bonnaroo and camp with them this year. I think something like 100% of guys would prefer doing that to staying home and eating shilajit. But it's not even a question. Your dick is broken dude. Your preferences don't matter anymore. I'm only 2 years older than you btw.

[Cdsnuts]

Maxout - i know, and everything you say is true! But you say "buckle down"?
I thought it was no zip of alcohol at all until you feel 100%?
CD nuts - my point is that i think your preferences for life is so different to mine. Im only 23 and I love to hang out with my friends and chill with nice food and drinks etc.
You say you still follow the protocol. I dont care what you say, but uits impossible to enjoy social life 100% while following the protocol and then i will give a shit about "Alphamale" my old life is all i want back.
You got it all wrong. My preferences are the exact same of any other red-blooded males. That being women, partying and hanging with my friends.

Unfortunately though, these things are only enjoyable when you are running at your full potential. Otherwise they just serve as a reminder to how broken you are.

You are asking how to fix yourself and I am giving you the answers. It is your choice what you do with this information. You either do what is necessary to heal yourself or you don't. I can tell you this though... You're not going to be able to do that living a normal life. It just doesn't work that way.

It has absolutely nothing to do with preference.

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[Holistic]

I have question - has anyone on here suffered from Psoriasis since taking finasteride?

And if so did this protocol improve that?

Got a red eczema on my cheeka couple of weeks before the crash, then about the 3rd day of the cleanse it got more red than ever. Next day was gone and stayed that way for a week. now about 1 month after the cleanse it has returned since I have not been able to properly follow the protocol. ( college finals atm)

[PeterA]

Heheh... let me help you out my friend.

I had pfs at 23 years old as well. but i didnt know it at the time. i didnt even know there was a such thing as pfs back then. This is the exact age i was in the prime of my socializing, drinking alcohol, smoking weed, and god knows what else during that time period. All that shit got me nowhere. I am now almost 31 years old, in a few days. The alcohol will only get you in trouble, the high from the weed feels like shit (due to the effects of PFS), and 80% of those people you're hanging around with doing all that stuff, are a bunch of scum anyway. I had all these people around me, and it still did nothing for me. Half of these people were users, abusers, lowlifes, and people who did not give a rats ass about me. Those people are all cockroaches. Snakes in the grass. I learned the hard way. Ive been through some shit. I am still standing though, stronger than ever. That scene is all garbage anyways, you truly are not missing out on anything. During this time period, i also lost alot of muscle and weight/size from the constant drinking/partying. Made me look like shit too. Ditch all of this garbage, and get rid of the weed and alcohol temporarily. Thats the main thing. You will be able to have fun again, and you will do so as a MUCH stronger and better version of yourself, and you will have your dick and libido back as well. Most of those party girls wont put up with a pfs dick, so you aint missing anything. The sooner you start, the sooner you can get back to having fun again, and doing these things.

And do you still have PFS? Because if you had PFS for 8 years now, then its not really motivate me??
For how long have you been on the protocol?

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I've had pfs from 23-24 my man so I get it. All I cared about was girls, friends, sports, music, and drugs. I'm a very free spirited, let life come to me, type of person naturally...but being that person won't get you to recovered from this. It sucks, but recovery won't just come to you as you live the same way.

I've had to re-invent myself as a very disciplined person to fight this thing. At first it was hard, but I'm embracing how its changing me to be a better person. You can absolutely get there too.

The sooner you can make this change, the sooner you will be healed.

Are you recovered now?

[PeterA]

You got it all wrong. My preferences are the exact same of any other red-blooded males. That being women, partying and hanging with my friends.

Unfortunately though, these things are only enjoyable when you are running at your full potential. Otherwise they just serve as a reminder to how broken you are.

You are asking how to fix yourself and I am giving you the answers. It is your choice what you do with this information. You either do what is necessary to heal yourself or you don't. I can tell you this though... You're not going to be able to do that living a normal life. It just doesn't work that way.

It has absolutely nothing to do with preference.

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But if your preferences are exactly the same and you love life again? Why do you then still follow the protocol and rotate herbs everyday, don't eat carbs during the day, don't drink etc. that's impossible if you have these preferences.
I don't get it? Did you loved your life before PFS?
Because i really loved my life before that. So if I'm healed I will just do whatever I want again.

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Nobody's preferences are different dude. Two attractive girls I met at Bonnaroo last year keep asking me why I won't come to Bonnaroo and camp with them this year. I think something like 100% of guys would prefer doing that to staying home and eating shilajit. But it's not even a question. Your dick is broken dude. Your preferences don't matter anymore. I'm only 2 years older than you btw.

True true..
For how long have you following the regime and how is your recovery going? Are you almost yourself again?

[PeterA]

Much of the food i buy, is organic. But as i said im a student and money can be a problem with all this stuff in the protocol.
And on the "paleo site" on totalmaleoptimzation, is nothing about its necessary to eat only organic, is that true?

[Cdsnuts]

But if your preferences are exactly the same and you love life again? Why do you then still follow the protocol and rotate herbs everyday, don't eat carbs during the day, don't drink etc. that's impossible if you have these preferences.
I don't get it? Did you loved your life before PFS?
Because i really loved my life before that. So if I'm healed I will just do whatever I want again.

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True true..
For how long have you following the regime and how is your recovery going? Are you almost yourself again?

I follow the protocol because it allows me to enjoy these things EVEN MORE. When you are functioning optimally with a very high baseline, you're life becomes an enjoyment just existing. I love the way it makes me feel.

What do you mean don't drink? I'm healed...I drink almost every weekend, Friday and Saturday sometimes. I can do that again if I choose because I no longer have the same PFS problems that I once did.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but it's starting to get stale. These are your choices:

Do nothing and stay how you are, or get worse over time.

Do the protocol and take some time for yourself and get rid of your issues.

That's it. You can't have both. It doesn't work that way.

But like I always say, this protocol isn't for everyone. Not everyone has what it takes and I say that from the beginning. If you can't hack it, you can't hack it. There is really no need to whine about how difficult it is anymore. Everyone here that is doing it knows that. So, either do it, or don't do it. But stop whining about it. If you feel like whining, you can go back to PH....they're very good at that over there.

[PeterA]

I follow the protocol because it allows me to enjoy these things EVEN MORE. When you are functioning optimally with a very high baseline, you're life becomes an enjoyment just existing. I love the way it makes me feel.

What do you mean don't drink? I'm healed...I drink almost every weekend, Friday and Saturday sometimes. I can do that again if I choose because I no longer have the same PFS problems that I once did.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but it's starting to get stale. These are your choices:

Do nothing and stay how you are, or get worse over time.

Do the protocol and take some time for yourself and get rid of your issues.

That's it. You can't have both. It doesn't work that way.

But like I always say, this protocol isn't for everyone. Not everyone has what it takes and I say that from the beginning. If you can't hack it, you can't hack it. There is really no need to whine about how difficult it is anymore. Everyone here that is doing it knows that. So, either do it, or don't do it. But stop whining about it. If you feel like whining, you can go back to PH....they're very good at that over there.

Im not whinning, not at all.
You dont know me and my powerwill, I WILL BEAT THIS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW BEAUTIFUL LIFE IS.

CD - Really, i appreciate your work and your help to all of us, my mindset is exactly where it have to be. But im a really curious person and i will do all this the right way from the beginning.
Can you answer me this:
Much of the food i buy, is organic. But as i said im a student and money can be a problem with all this stuff in the protocol.
And on the "paleo site" on totalmaleoptimzation, is nothing about its necessary to eat only organic, is that true?

[K8668B]

@petera- I still have pfs to this day, 8 years later, because first I didn't know pfs was a such thing, wasnt fully aware of my situation, and more importantly, I did absolutely nothing about it to make it go away. I continued to abuse my body with unhealthy things like alcohol, weed, shit foods, etc. Pfs will not ever go away by itself.

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[PeterA]

@petera- I still have pfs to this day, 8 years later, because first I didn't know pfs was a such thing, wasnt fully aware of my situation, and more importantly, I did absolutely nothing about it to make it go away. I continued to abuse my body with unhealthy things like alcohol, weed, shit foods, etc. Pfs will not ever go away by itself.

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You have to take matters into your own hands, as far as making this go away.

Shit... sad to hear that brother..

But do you think you will be yourself again - after started to follow the regime?

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I have a really important question - the regime is basically the diet, exercise and the herbs right?
Things like, penis pumping, cold water therapy, skin brushing is not necessary right?

[K8668B]

And BTW, I've only been on the protocol for a few weeks. I finally just got my juice feast completed 14 days ago. Like I said, I just started all of this finally. Took me years to get here. Read my blog. I hope myself and others can really motivate you, and make you view this the way we view it.

[K8668B]

I'm already feeling better, and getting back to myself. This protocol has literally given me my life back. Its given me more discipline at my job and at other areas in life.

[Maxout777]

Shit... sad to hear that brother..

But do you think you will be yourself again - after started to follow the regime?

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I have a really important question - the regime is basically the diet, exercise and the herbs right?
Things like, penis pumping, cold water therapy, skin brushing is not necessary right?

Quit cutting corners and just do the damn thing as outlined. Christ....

[PeterA]

Quit cutting corners and just do the damn thing as outlined. Christ....

Why do you answer me like that?
Its a good question and i think many members think so.
Why should i buy a penis pump if its not necessary? And only take cold showers is not nice as well, thats why i ask??
So do you only take cold showers everyday?

[Maxout777]

Why do you answer me like that?
Its a good question and i think many members think so.
Why should i buy a penis pump if its not necessary? And only take cold showers is not nice as well, thats why i ask??
So do you only take cold showers everyday?
Because you literally question everything. Can I drink milk? Do I have to fast? Do I have to brush my skin? Do I have to sleep 8 hours? Do I have to give up gluten? Do I have to not drink? My friends drink and it's fun so I don't want to give it up.....can I still recover? I mean Jesus man do you hear yourself?

Yes, I take cold showers everyday. Yes, I did it before PFS in the Marine Corps, yes I still cycle herbs. Yes, I feasted, yes I try to sleep 8 hours a day. Yes, I gave up alcohol, gluten, and certain instances of fun that I possibly could've had. And guess what, I'M BETTER.

I answer you like that because it's obvious to me you're not a driven individual and you're most likely wasting all of our time on here. We're not here to cherry pick what we want to do and what we don't want to do of the protocol. We're disciplined individuals who respect others who are striving to better themselves. There's some top notch guys on this site that'll give the shirt off their back to help you out, but YOU have to put in the effort to get you there. When I started down this path I didn't question a damn thing, I made ALL of it my life and I'm better now. I literally would've drank a 45oz thermos of steaming hot homeless man piss, EVERY.FUCKING.DAY to get better and have my life back - yet you don't want to take a cold shower? You don't want it as bad as you need to man, that's why I answer you like I do.

No worries however, this is the last reply and advice I'll be giving you going forward. Have a great life, or wallow in misery. The choice is ultimately yours.

[Holistic]

Shit... sad to hear that brother..

But do you think you will be yourself again - after started to follow the regime?

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I have a really important question - the regime is basically the diet, exercise and the herbs right?
Things like, penis pumping, cold water therapy, skin brushing is not necessary right?

The protocol by itself is NOT necessary, want to know why? Because you getting better is also not necessary, you being yourself again is not necessary, you achieving a male maximum potential is not necessary as well. In the end is YOUR choice if you want to live like an asexual zombie or get in the path of recovery.

Stop prioritizing what is pleasant. Do you think the fast was fun? Cold showers? Exercising? if pleasure was my top concern I would just lay on the couch watching stuff on the tele eating big macs and pizza, jerking of to porn drinking beer and smoking weed. I choose not to. Nothing is a necessity in this journey, you choose life man.

[PeterA]

I know i know i know....
I follow the protocol and do almost all the stuff!
The only thing is, i dont take cold showers. BUT i take 1 minut under ice cold water every day. And thats why i asked about the cold water therapy. I mean 1 minut everyday and then take my shower after that with normal temperature. That will be enough right?
Sorry i ask so much! But c'mon, you know how hard this situation is, my brain is so foggy....
I thought this site was to get help and fight against PFS..

[Cdsnuts]

I know i know i know....
I follow the protocol and do almost all the stuff!
The only thing is, i dont take cold showers. BUT i take 1 minut under ice cold water every day. And thats why i asked about the cold water therapy. I mean 1 minut everyday and then take my shower after that with normal temperature. That will be enough right?
Sorry i ask so much! But c'mon, you know how hard this situation is, my brain is so foggy....
I thought this site was to get help and fight against PFS..

You do understand you are extremely difficult to deal with, right?

[Holistic]

I know i know i know....
I follow the protocol and do almost all the stuff!
The only thing is, i dont take cold showers. BUT i take 1 minut under ice cold water every day. And thats why i asked about the cold water therapy. I mean 1 minut everyday and then take my shower after that with normal temperature. That will be enough right?
Sorry i ask so much! But c'mon, you know how hard this situation is, my brain is so foggy....
I thought this site was to get help and fight against PFS..

The site is for help do not have any doubt about it. Listen I know is hard and we all got through that phase of despair but is imperative that you move on if you want to heal. No more "brain fog" excuses ( this is not much directed to you as for other guy in other post who said something like " my brain fog is so bad I cant even read the protocol, therefore somebody write me a summary" . You can beat this as long as you don't impose that sort of limitations.

As for the cold showers yeah they are though. doing 1 minute is something rather than nothing, but do the opposite. Start normal, then the last minute turn it ice cold and endure. Do that for a week and next week make it 2 minutes ( or 1 and half). With time you will take em without much aversion. The wim hof exercises during showers helps so much to endure em.

[DrivenToRecover]

I'm realizing a big recovery step for me personally is to actually live with other healthy minded people. I currently live with older friends that I just can't connect with anymore because they are all still in "party mode" while I'm trying to live the protocol.

I am a social person that really gets influenced by the company I associate with, and I know its very important for me to find like-minded people.

Any advice for finding roommates that are very health conscious, not into drinking/partying, but at the same time not total squares or overly religious?

I've been searching for some type of resource online to connect with fellow health freaks, but haven't found anything great.

[PeterA]

I'm realizing a big recovery step for me personally is to actually live with other healthy minded people. I currently live with older friends that I just can't connect with anymore because they are all still in "party mode" while I'm trying to live the protocol.

I am a social person that really gets influenced by the company I associate with, and I know its very important for me to find like-minded people.

Any advice for finding roommates that are very health conscious, not into drinking/partying, but at the same time not total squares or overly religious?

I've been searching for some type of resource online to connect with fellow health freaks, but haven't found anything great.

For how long have you following the protocol and how far are you from 100 recovery?

[Durantia37]

I'm kind of with Maxout here..I don't see the point of continuing to respond. You asked me how my recovery was going and I told you. Then you asked me again like 18 hours later?

Read about the Spartans. Read about the daily life of soldiers on the Western Front in WW1. Read that Unbroken book. Then cringe in shame at the fact that you can't even manage to take a 5 minute cold shower.

[Cdsnuts]

I'm realizing a big recovery step for me personally is to actually live with other healthy minded people. I currently live with older friends that I just can't connect with anymore because they are all still in "party mode" while I'm trying to live the protocol.

I am a social person that really gets influenced by the company I associate with, and I know its very important for me to find like-minded people.

Any advice for finding roommates that are very health conscious, not into drinking/partying, but at the same time not total squares or overly religious?

I've been searching for some type of resource online to connect with fellow health freaks, but haven't found anything great.
This one's tough. I know very well the predicament you're in and it is very difficult to hang out with old friends and family who are still in party mode. It's very difficult to connect with people when you aren't numbing yourself down to their level.

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[Cdsnuts]

For how long have you following the protocol and how far are you from 100 recovery?
You can't compare yourself to others when it comes to this. Every single person is different depending on how badly they're affected and how well they stick to the program.

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[DrivenToRecover]

This one's tough. I know very well the predicament you're in and it is very difficult to hang out with old friends and family who are still in party mode. It's very difficult to connect with people when you aren't numbing yourself down to their level.

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Definitely. I think its critically important for me to find friends and a girl that value health and self improvement in the way that I now do. Its just never been the crowd I've fallen into.

Seriously, does anyone have a recommendation of how to find a community of people like this?

[Cdsnuts]

Definitely. I think its critically important for me to find friends and a girl that value health and self improvement in the way that I now do. Its just never been the crowd I've fallen into.

Seriously, does anyone have a recommendation of how to find a community of people like this?
I'm sure if you do some searching online there are ways to connect with like-minded individuals

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[DrivenToRecover]

I'm sure if you do some searching online there are ways to connect with like-minded individuals

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Dating sites like this yes, but not really a way to join a community of like minded people that I can find.

[DrivenToRecover]

This experience is the first time I have ever really felt what loneliness feels like at times and fuck ever feeling that lol. I'm basically through that phase at this point, but its really occurred to me that there should really be more "Social Clubs" for like minded adults that exist and function much like churches, minus the religion.

Having a supportive community and friends is such an important thing, and it blows my mind how much harder it is to build that once you are finished with school, and out in the real world...Once again, an area where our society is not set up for optimal health.

[Cdsnuts]

This experience is the first time I have ever really felt what loneliness feels like at times and fuck ever feeling that lol. I'm basically through that phase at this point, but its really occurred to me that there should really be more "Social Clubs" for like minded adults that exist and function much like churches, minus the religion.

Having a supportive community and friends is such an important thing, and it blows my mind how much harder it is to build that once you are finished with school, and out in the real world...Once again, an area where our society is not set up for optimal health.
Unfortunately this is true.

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[Maxout777]

This experience is the first time I have ever really felt what loneliness feels like at times and fuck ever feeling that lol. I'm basically through that phase at this point, but its really occurred to me that there should really be more "Social Clubs" for like minded adults that exist and function much like churches, minus the religion.

Having a supportive community and friends is such an important thing, and it blows my mind how much harder it is to build that once you are finished with school, and out in the real world...Once again, an area where our society is not set up for optimal health.


As much as I hate the workouts and the overall stigma of the people who do them - maybe try to find a CrossFit gym? I know a lot of friends who are all about CrossFit and they have groups of friends who don't drink, go to Spartan races together, hike together, hold each other accountable for working out, host healthy cookouts, juice feast together, etc. Those people are the most health conscious people I know.

Worth a try I guess. I actually know a guy who owns a CrossFit gym in your town, pending you didn't move after college.

[DrivenToRecover]

As much as I hate the workouts and the overall stigma of the people who do them - maybe try to find a CrossFit gym? I know a lot of friends who are all about CrossFit and they have groups of friends who don't drink, go to Spartan races together, hike together, hold each other accountable for working out, host healthy cookouts, juice feast together, etc. Those people are the most health conscious people I know.

Worth a try I guess. I actually know a guy who owns a CrossFit gym in your town, pending you didn't move after college.

The though had crossed my mind. I'm with you on the stigma behind crossfit lol, but honestly I feel like that's the same kind of stigma that friends have on me for being so strict with my health, so maybe I'm being ignorant.

Could you pm me about that specific gym?

[Maxout777]

The though had crossed my mind. I'm with you on the stigma behind crossfit lol, but honestly I feel like that's the same kind of stigma that friends have on me for being so strict with my health, so maybe I'm being ignorant.

Could you pm me about that specific gym?
Sure thing. Will do now.

Just don't brag on here about how many burps you can do here in a few months, lol.

[DrivenToRecover]

Unfortunately this is true.

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But surely there's a business, and some money to be made around forming these communities of adults? That's why its confusing to me that it doesn't exist.

Especially with people in my generation marring later, and having kids less often.

[Cdsnuts]

But surely there's a business, and some money to be made around forming these communities of adults? That's why its confusing to me that it doesn't exist.

Especially with people in my generation marring later, and having kids less often.
I just Thinkin regards to this that the people that are truly into health and healthy living just do things that Encompass that such as join a Recreational Sports League of some kind or take a jiu jitsu class or yoga Etc. They then end up meeting like-minded individuals through these type of activities.

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[Cdsnuts]

And do you still have PFS? Because if you had PFS for 8 years now, then its not really motivate me??
For how long have you been on the protocol?

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Are you recovered now?
It doesn't motivate you? Okay... So then what are you going to do? Suffer for the rest of your life?

Every day I woke up with PFS was enough motivation for me to want to get rid of it. But I guess everyone's different.

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[PeterA]

It doesn't motivate you? Okay... So then what are you going to do? Suffer for the rest of your life?

Every day I woke up with PFS was enough motivation for me to want to get rid of it. But I guess everyone's different.

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I thought he had PFS for 8 years while following the regime, thats why i said that CD.

[PeterA]

Okay guys - sorry for all my single questions, i will stop with that now. i appreciate your answers!
I will show you my protocol and then just wanna hear a "yes with that protocol you will beat PFS" or "no there are some mistakes, fx.......".

I started with a 14 days juice feast, and have now followed this protocol for 3 weeks.

Herbs:
I rotate 7 herbs right now, but i will go up to 21.

Exersice:
1 hour intense workout every day, so i do carb backload everyday.
HIIT training - 2 times pr week.
15 minuttes meditation every day.


Diet:
Breakfast = Paleo bread, vegetables, 2-3 eggs, cheese, beef salami and natural youghurt with honey, almonds, raisind and 1 banana
Lunch = Vegetables, meat/fish
Right after gym = A shake with 0,5 l milk, 100% peanutbutter, almonds, 1 banana, 1 scoop chokolate protein and 100 gram organic gluten free oats(carb backloading).
Dinner = Meat/fish, vegetables, rice/potatoes(carb backloading)
Snacks during the day = Nuts, raisins, vegetables, fruit, cheese, 1 glas of juice every morning - NOT FROM CONCENTRATE, and a lot of water.
when i eat on a restaurant, then i order meat, salad and rice/potatoes(carb backloading).
My vegetables are often carrots, broccoli, bell pepper, mushrooms, cucumber, tomatoes, onion etc. And sometimes i buy them organic, but now always, when i have enough money for the rest of the month. Then i do.

Other lifestyle:
Paraben and parfume free shampoo, body shower, and bodylotion.
Only parfume on t-shirt, and sometimes hair wax.
Every day after gym i start with 1 minute under ice cold water, its a nice feeling after. My plan is to start with ice cold showers after gym everyday and normal showers in the morning.
Avoid masturbation.

What do you guys think? :-)

[Snell1234]

This^^^^^^^^^^^^

And let's not forget Cola zero is loaded with artificial sweeteners which are horrible for you at best.

If it's made by man, stay away from it. If it's created by mother nature, you're good to go as long as it's in the Paleo realm.
Slightly off topic - but cdsnuts your pms are full again.

[K8668B]

Lol, those damn crossfitters :/ ;)

I know what you guys mean hahaha

[Cdsnuts]

Okay guys - sorry for all my single questions, i will stop with that now. i appreciate your answers!
I will show you my protocol and then just wanna hear a "yes with that protocol you will beat PFS" or "no there are some mistakes, fx.......".

I started with a 14 days juice feast, and have now followed this protocol for 3 weeks.

Herbs:
I rotate 7 herbs right now, but i will go up to 21.

Exersice:
1 hour intense workout every day, so i do carb backload everyday.
HIIT training - 2 times pr week.
15 minuttes meditation every day.


Diet:
Breakfast = Paleo bread, vegetables, 2-3 eggs, cheese, beef salami and natural youghurt with honey, almonds, raisind and 1 banana
Lunch = Vegetables, meat/fish
Right after gym = A shake with 0,5 l milk, 100% peanutbutter, almonds, 1 banana, 1 scoop chokolate protein and 100 gram organic gluten free oats(carb backloading).
Dinner = Meat/fish, vegetables, rice/potatoes(carb backloading)
Snacks during the day = Nuts, raisins, vegetables, fruit, cheese, 1 glas of juice every morning - NOT FROM CONCENTRATE, and a lot of water.
when i eat on a restaurant, then i order meat, salad and rice/potatoes(carb backloading).
My vegetables are often carrots, broccoli, bell pepper, mushrooms, cucumber, tomatoes, onion etc. And sometimes i buy them organic, but now always, when i have enough money for the rest of the month. Then i do.

Other lifestyle:
Paraben and parfume free shampoo, body shower, and bodylotion.
Only parfume on t-shirt, and sometimes hair wax.
Every day after gym i start with 1 minute under ice cold water, its a nice feeling after. My plan is to start with ice cold showers after gym everyday and normal showers in the morning.
Avoid masturbation.

What do you guys think? :-)
Peter... I don't understand.

Why are you asking us if your protocol looks good when you are basically just regurgitating the information that is already written out for you on the website? Why do you not just follow what is written for you already on the site?

You're asking us what we think about the protocol that has already been put in place? Am I missing something here?

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[PeterA]

Peter... I don't understand.

Why are you asking us if your protocol looks good when you are basically just regurgitating the information that is already written out for you on the website? Why do you not just follow what is written for you already on the site?

You're asking us what we think about the protocol that has already been put in place? Am I missing something here?

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Thanks for the answer CD.

Because i have seen many recovery stories, and the basic things are always the same, but the whole protocol is never 100% the same.
And paleo is like a big jungle. Fx haricots verts, i eat a lot of them, but some paleo experts says its not good, and some of them says its good.
I just thought, haricots verts is very healthy and good for your body.. But there are always "but", paleo is a jungle.
I just try to find different things to eat, to make it eaiser for myself. Is haricots verts okay CD?
Lets say i follow the regime for 1 year and think "shit, im not healed at all", then its maybe because i ate haricots..
Its BBQ season in Denmark now and i love corns, but again is corns okay while carb backloading and i sometimes eat popcorn(carb backload).
And i just wondering what you guys eat for "sauce", i think all my meals are so dry... sometimes i use fresh pesto, where the only thing im not sure about is: sunflower seeds, citric acid, rapeseed oil and potassium sorbate.
I hope some of you guys have some nice ideas for "sauce".

The only thing i wanna now:
Is my plan okay? I know its almost the same like yours on totalmaleoptimization, but still, it would be so easier for me to know "yes go for it"!
I have so many thoughts about, "shit do i eat to much fruit" etc. Thats why i showed you my protocol.

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks for the answer CD.

Because i have seen many recovery stories, and the basic things are always the same, but the whole protocol is never 100% the same.
And paleo is like a big jungle. Fx haricots verts, i eat a lot of them, but some paleo experts says its not good, and some of them says its good.
I just thought, haricots verts is very healthy and good for your body.. But there are always "but", paleo is a jungle.
I just try to find different things to eat, to make it eaiser for myself. Is haricots verts okay CD?
Lets say i follow the regime for 1 year and think "shit, im not healed at all", then its maybe because i ate haricots..
Its BBQ season in Denmark now and i love corns, but again is corns okay while carb backloading and i sometimes eat popcorn(carb backload).
And i just wondering what you guys eat for "sauce", i think all my meals are so dry... sometimes i use fresh pesto, where the only thing im not sure about is: sunflower seeds, citric acid, rapeseed oil and potassium sorbate.
I hope some of you guys have some nice ideas for "sauce".

The only thing i wanna now:
Is my plan okay? I know its almost the same like yours on totalmaleoptimization, but still, it would be so easier for me to know "yes go for it"!
I have so many thoughts about, "shit do i eat to much fruit" etc. Thats why i showed you my protocol.
Well my protocol is always the same. It never changes.

It's also already written down for you on my website.

If it's on the website then go for it.



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[PeterA]

Well my protocol is always the same. It never changes.

It's also already written down for you on my website.

If it's on the website then go for it.



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Yes i know. I dont mean your protocol, i mean people who follow your protocol with all the basic stuff but then with small changes.
But fx vegetables is not detailed. Thats why i ask about haricots, because i have read different things about it. Its taste nice and its easy to make, but i wanna be sure about its okay.
And do you have a good tip for "sauce"?

[Cdsnuts]

Yes i know. I dont mean your protocol, i mean people who follow your protocol with all the basic stuff but then with small changes.
But fx vegetables is not detailed. Thats why i ask about haricots, because i have read different things about it. Its taste nice and its easy to make, but i wanna be sure about its okay.
And do you have a good tip for "sauce"?
If you knew you wouldn't be asking.

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[PeterA]

If you knew you wouldn't be asking.


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Yes but i dont know about hericots, thats why i ask you :-)
And i ask about a good idea for "sauce" i thought that whas one of the things with this website. To help each other with the protocol.

[Durantia37]

That passive aggressive shit is so annoying. We've already helped you a ton for no personal benefit. You weren't entitled to any help at all, and you're definitely not entitled to infinite help just by joining the site. If you're not sure about something, don't eat it.

We're all adults with lives and jobs and responsibilities. What world are you from where it's acceptable to guilt trip strangers into choosing a sauce for you? I can tell you're a millenial dude.

Just go without sauce or haricots or whatever else you're going to end up wanting to squeeze in. I haven't had sauce in like six months, and that fact hadn't even occurred to me until you asked, because it's the least of my concerns.

[Durantia37]

Also, for the love of God, go read every thread in the post-finasteride section of this site. I read every thread several times before making my first post. It's just basic respect to not make everyone repeat themselves.

[Cdsnuts]

What is the most annoying is that he will ask a very specific question about the protocol and then when I give him the answer he will tell me he knows. Well you don't know because if you knew you wouldn't have asked the question. I have no more patience left for him.

I wrote a whole G damn website for this specific purpose. READ IT. In my opinion it's very thorough.

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[Maxout777]

Not to mention, literally one Google search of "haricot verts Paleo" and one of the top three returns says they're allowed and good to go. Literally no effort put in. He's basically asking us to be a dietician, which is a full time job that a person receives pay for in the real world.

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[Durantia37]

Speaking of the website, CD, I promise I haven't forgotten. I'm off the next four days and I'm gonna try and just marathon the whole thing.

[Cdsnuts]

Speaking of the website, CD, I promise I haven't forgotten. I'm off the next four days and I'm gonna try and just marathon the whole thing.
You know my feelings on this. I certainly appreciate it.

I've been very busy with my day job but in the next couple of weeks I'm going to start adding pictures to the site as well.

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[TubZy]

You know my feelings on this. I certainly appreciate it.

I've been very busy with my day job but in the next couple of weeks I'm going to start adding pictures to the site as well.

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Just ignore him unless he wants to paypal you money (if that is even worth it)..otherwise just a waste of time at this point

[Cdsnuts]

Just ignore him unless he wants to paypal you money (if that is even worth it)..otherwise just a waste of time at this point
Agreed. I go more than out of my way most of the time and I really shouldn't. I always try and give people the benefit of the doubt because I've been there and I get it but there comes a point where you got a cut the cord.

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[Benq123]

Thanks for the answer CD.

Because i have seen many recovery stories, and the basic things are always the same, but the whole protocol is never 100% the same.
And paleo is like a big jungle. Fx haricots verts, i eat a lot of them, but some paleo experts says its not good, and some of them says its good.
I just thought, haricots verts is very healthy and good for your body.. But there are always "but", paleo is a jungle.
I just try to find different things to eat, to make it eaiser for myself. Is haricots verts okay CD?
Lets say i follow the regime for 1 year and think "shit, im not healed at all", then its maybe because i ate haricots..
Its BBQ season in Denmark now and i love corns, but again is corns okay while carb backloading and i sometimes eat popcorn(carb backload).
And i just wondering what you guys eat for "sauce", i think all my meals are so dry... sometimes i use fresh pesto, where the only thing im not sure about is: sunflower seeds, citric acid, rapeseed oil and potassium sorbate.
I hope some of you guys have some nice ideas for "sauce".

The only thing i wanna now:
Is my plan okay? I know its almost the same like yours on totalmaleoptimization, but still, it would be so easier for me to know "yes go for it"!
I have so many thoughts about, "shit do i eat to much fruit" etc. Thats why i showed you my protocol.

Everybody is different, CD's protocol is a fantastic guideline but some things you have to figure out yourself, and you will, along your journey. He can't possibly know everyone's situation. Be sure to listen to your body.
For example Nuts, Seeds, Nightshades, Eggs and maybe others are "Paleo" foods, but for some people with really messed up guts these can be a problem at first. Some people may be able to tolerate more carbs and some might have to go very low carb. Everyone is different, use Paleo as a template not a diet. You are looking for clear-cut answers but they don't always exist, your body is different to mine which is different to CD's. Same goes for exercise I would think.

For sauces, I personally use coconut milk/butter, nut/seed butters, bone broth, and when I heal my gut some more, I'll try Tomato based sauces.
Dairy might be OK if you have a healthy gut (get the best quality possible), I personally cannot tolerate it at the moment. Oats and other grains might be OK for you on occasion, but in my opinion true Paleo foods are better for digestion and nutrient density (Meats, vegetables). How much carbs you need usually depends on how active you are, but there are other variables.

Oh and most corn is GMO, so I'd stay away, unless its Organic.

[PeterA]

Everybody is different, CD's protocol is a fantastic guideline but some things you have to figure out yourself, and you will, along your journey. He can't possibly know everyone's situation. Be sure to listen to your body.
For example Nuts, Seeds, Nightshades, Eggs and maybe others are "Paleo" foods, but for some people with really messed up guts these can be a problem at first. Some people may be able to tolerate more carbs and some might have to go very low carb. Everyone is different, use Paleo as a template not a diet. You are looking for clear-cut answers but they don't always exist, your body is different to mine which is different to CD's. Same goes for exercise I would think.

For sauces, I personally use coconut milk/butter, nut/seed butters, bone broth, and when I heal my gut some more, I'll try Tomato based sauces.
Dairy might be OK if you have a healthy gut (get the best quality possible), I personally cannot tolerate it at the moment. Oats and other grains might be OK for you on occasion, but in my opinion true Paleo foods are better for digestion and nutrient density (Meats, vegetables). How much carbs you need usually depends on how active you are, but there are other variables.

Oh and most corn is GMO, so I'd stay away, unless its Organic.

Thank you very much!
But the thing is i dont really feel the difference, i can eat a pizza and feel the same like if i eat meat and vegetables...

[PeterA]

I cant understand why it is so difficult just to answer like "yes that protocol is good, go for it!" or "no dont do that, but otherwise its good."
Thats the only thing i want, it take longer times to make this long aggresive answers you guys do...
I just wanna know about its like "no that protocol is not good, because you use hairwax sometimes, i dont think its like that, but i just wanna be sure.
Really, sorry for that man.......

[Brazilianguy]

I follow the protocol because it allows me to enjoy these things EVEN MORE. When you are functioning optimally with a very high baseline, you're life becomes an enjoyment just existing. I love the way it makes me feel.

What do you mean don't drink? I'm healed...I drink almost every weekend, Friday and Saturday sometimes. I can do that again if I choose because I no longer have the same PFS problems that I once did.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but it's starting to get stale. These are your choices:

Do nothing and stay how you are, or get worse over time.

Do the protocol and take some time for yourself and get rid of your issues.

That's it. You can't have both. It doesn't work that way.

But like I always say, this protocol isn't for everyone. Not everyone has what it takes and I say that from the beginning. If you can't hack it, you can't hack it. There is really no need to whine about how difficult it is anymore. Everyone here that is doing it knows that. So, either do it, or don't do it. But stop whining about it. If you feel like whining, you can go back to PH....they're very good at that over there.


I think this message is one of the best one Cd could post. It's very direct and informative. It's awesome when you wake up and feel your muscles the way they should be, when you take a deep breath and say I'm the alpha male, when you know the girls really want you because you're better than the others because you know you really are, it's also awesome to know that you won a fight that many people would hardly imagine how hard it was.

I've been following the protocol and getting amazing results, sometimes it's more related to fatigue department, energy, weight loss and body composition, sometimes it's more related to libido, but the good news is that I always keep a % of improvement and I always reach a new level and stay with all the improvements. It's fantastic.

[PeterA]

I know all you guys hate my questions...
But there are so many things you have to avoid.... like its better to take cold showers, i never thought about that..
Thats why i have so many questions..
Fx i use often a hair dryer. Is this a problem as well??? Because its hot air and not cold air.. seriously this protocol is one big jungle....

[Cdsnuts]

I know all you guys hate my questions...
But there are so many things you have to avoid.... like its better to take cold showers, i never thought about that..
Thats why i have so many questions..
Fx i use often a hair dryer. Is this a problem as well??? Because its hot air and not cold air.. seriously this protocol is one big jungle....
Yes most definitely you need to avoid the hair dryer. You should also avoid the Sun as well. It's just too hot. As a matter of fact your best bet should be to have all of your coffee or tea cold from now on.

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[DrivenToRecover]

lol

Peter the thing is man...you don't HAVE to understand why everything is included in the protocol. Just blindly follow it and it will work. Learn about pieces of it if you want along the way...but these people helping you have been at this for YEARS. Trust that they know what they are talking about...

[PeterA]

Okay i dont wanna make any posts here the next 2-3 months and see my new improvements, i follow the protocol like 99,9 %.
The only thing is i take snuff sometimes, but i will stop with that as well and then ofc small things like when you are on a public toilet and they only have soap with parfume and things like that. Haha :D
But no alcohol, no sugar and no gluten for a month now!
I dont think snuff have the same bad reaction on your body like alcohol and shitty food. But i will stop it now as well!

Good luck everybody!

[andreasoz]

Upon waking do your breathing exercises

Jump in the shower and hit the cold water.

Brush your skin while showering.

Take your herbs and wash it down with some tea or high quality coffee.

Eat breakfast if your hungry…as much as you want from this list

Exercise This is when I do it, you can do it anytime that fits in your schedule…just make sure you do it!

One hour after exercise consume your protein shake and other post workout nutrition or meal.

Right before you eat lunch, take your daily supplements.

Lunch, as much as you want

Snack (Nuts, fruit, cheese, etc)

Take your second dose of herbs mid afteroon.

Dinner (If backloading, start now)

While showering, get a 20 minute pumping session in (3-4 times a week)

Snack (Or if backloading, backload)

If taking sleep supplements, take them 45 minutes before bed

Breathing exercises

At any point during the day if the weather permits try to get a half hours worth of sun exposure . Use five minutes of that time to sun your boys

During your time in the sun, use the time productively by doing some mobility work.


I just have one question, you say in the quick start guide that you take a "second dose of herbs", what does this mean? That you take 2 different herbs a day or splitting one herb?

I thought you were only supposed to take one herb a day and rotate?

[Durantia37]

Two doses of the same herb. Not to be a dick, but this question would've been answered for you if you'd read through the old threads.

[andreasoz]

Double dose or split? I tried to search didn't find anything and "the old threads" seems down.

[Maxout777]

Double dose or split? I tried to search didn't find anything and "the old threads" seems down.

Double dose. Two doses.....one morning, one afternoon.

[andreasoz]

Double dose. Two doses.....one morning, one afternoon.

Ok, thanks for the info. You're not messing with me right?😅

[Maxout777]

Ok, thanks for the info. You're not messing with me right?😅
Yup, I'm messing with you. Don't do two doses or you'll OD on cordyceps.

[Cdsnuts]

Ok, thanks for the info. You're not messing with me right?😅
Are you asking just for the sake of asking or do you actually have the herbs? Because if you actually had the herbs it tells you how to dose them right on the bag. Can I ask why if you don't have the herbs why you're asking?

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[andreasoz]

Yup, I'm messing with you. Don't do two doses or you'll OD on cordyceps.

I really want to know guess I'm to dumb to get a straight answer.

[andreasoz]

Are you asking just for the sake of asking or do you actually have the herbs? Because if you actually had the herbs it tells you how to dose them right on the bag. Can I ask why if you don't have the herbs why you're asking?

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I have 7 herbs bought from swedish vendors. My tongkat ali TKA 1:200 says to take 400 mg tabs 3 times a day. On your site you recommend a different dosage. I want to follow your protocol and this confuses me.

[Cdsnuts]

I have 7 herbs bought from swedish vendors. My tongkat ali TKA 1:200 says to take 400 mg tabs 3 times a day. On your site you recommend a different dosage. I want to follow your protocol and this confuses me.
Well on my website the herbs that I recommend have all of their dosages listed on the sites you can purchase them from. Follow this for the best results although I can't speak for the quality of the herbs that you have. This can be a big issue.

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[andreasoz]

Well on my website the herbs that I recommend have all of their dosages listed on the sites you can purchase them from. Follow this for the best results although I can't speak for the quality of the herbs that you have. This can be a big issue.

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I get that you have your brands to sell, you know those products, but should I follow what my herbs say or try to mimic your protocol and herb dosage? No disrespect.

[Cdsnuts]

I get that you have your brands to sell, you know those products, but should I follow what my herbs say or try to mimic your protocol and herb dosage? No disrespect.

It's not about selling "my brands" as much as it is using the products that give the best results based upon my years of research and experimentation. Not to mention the thousands of dollars I've spent figuring it out.

But yes, I would try and mimic the dosages as much as possible.

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[andreasoz]

It's not about selling my Brands as much as it is using the products that give the best results based upon my years of research and experimentation. Not to mention the thousands of dollars I've spent figuring it out.

But yes, I would try and mimic the dosages as much as possible.

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I understand. Didn't mean to offend you.

[Cdsnuts]

I understand. Didn't mean to offend you.
No offense taken

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[andreasoz]

No offense taken

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Ok then. Ty for giving time to answer my questions.

[Cdsnuts]

Ok then. Ty for giving time to answer my questions.

We're not all hard asses here. It may seem that way from a couple recent threads, but you have to understand the amount of questions we get asked that could easily be answered with a little bit of searching. We're here to help, not spoon feed. Some guys can barely do a little bit of simple reading. If people have problems following simple directions, their chances of success are rather low. I'm not talking about you in particular, just some guys in general.

[Durantia37]

I was trying to edit my last post and accidentally deleted it. Anyway, I was just agreeing with CD that I don't like being mean. Good luck on your recovery andreasoz. Don't be scared to ask questions, just try to search for the answer first.

[PeterA]

Have some of your guys some good alternatives for water? Or do you ONLY drink water?
What about sparkling water and sparkling water with taste?

[PeterA]

Is it possible to train your muscles so hard so you can carb backload without a gym?
Fx if you are travelling and dont have a gym, can you train your muscles so hard otherwise, maybe some ideas for exercises?

[Atticas]

This voice I'm reading (PeterA) sounds so familiar.... doesn't it CD? ;)

[Atticas]

PeterA, I'm gonna write you this at the complete risk of totally exposing and embarassing myself to this forum (but they're all a bunch of people on the internet I don't know irl anyway, so fuqqit.)

Listen to CDN. I know there have been different methods listed out by different users of how they got better, but CD's is the only one I've found in two years that actually consistently helps people feel better/heal entirely.

A year ago, I came to this forum the same way you're coming. I didn't want to give up the party life. I didn't want to have to go on some even crazier diet than the one I was already on. And I thought CDN sounded like he was guessing some of this stuff because he never would post scientific articles behind his stuff (which he knows to this day still drives me crazy, but nonetheless, that's just kind of how he is). Throughout time though, I learned most everything he recommended was absolutely correct and absolutely helpful. His recommendations are backed by science. The only one I still can't agree with to this day is carb-backloading, and honestly, the data on that is so ambiguous that you might as well just try it if you're willing.

Anyways, as the formerly proud, 24-25 y/o that came here cussing out CDN and telling him he couldn't possibly know this is all the cure, I'm telling you now at 26, just listen to him. The research is there. If you need to, I'll even go and dig that shit up for you myself in favor of CDN.

These people are right when they tell you the cure can be found in a matter of months if you'll just listen. Don't take the path I took. Don't break and go out to drink and do drugs or smoke just because you feel insecure or weird at a party if you don't. It's not worth diminishing your progress. If you want this to only take years and years, to the point where you're finally recovered but so many years have gone by that your friends are done partying, go out and just act like you did before. Or take these forum member's advice and follow the protocol, and be able to go out and there and throw down like an animal again someday.

To make it a little more real for you, Maxoutt777 and me started our juice feast/fast right around the same time, and began taking the herbs around the same time. Maxoutt777 stayed with the protocol near perfectly, I broke down and drank and let up on the protocol over and over. Maxoutt777 can tell you today that he is about 90-99% cured... and I can only tell you that I'm maybe 70% there.

So yea. I hope this finally helps give you the motivation you're looking for.

[Holistic]

Back to the random questions. Body odour:
Have any of you you noticed any change in your armpits smell? Pre PFS if I forgot deodorant for one day then the aroma was really strong (even embarrassing) . Nowadays I can go without it for days and the smell is not only barely noticeable but also it has a different aroma. I guess as one recovers the smell will return.

[Cdsnuts]

Back to the random questions. Body odour:
Have any of you you noticed any change in your armpits smell? Pre PFS if I forgot deodorant for one day then the aroma was really strong (even embarrassing) . Nowadays I can go without it for days and the smell is not only barely noticeable but also it has a different aroma. I guess as one recovers the smell will return.
This is directly related to hormone levels. I can assure you once your levels get back up to normal this will be something you notice strongly.

This is essentially your Musk and it is loaded with pheromones. My woman actually likes the smell of my B.O., as do I strangely enough

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[PeterA]

Is mackerel in tomato sauce a good "snack" in the protocol?

[Cdsnuts]

Is mackerel in tomato sauce a good "snack" in the protocol?

Peter....rather then asking every single time you have a question about food, go back to the list of "approved" foods and think....is it a meat? Yes...is tomatoe a fruit or veggie? Yes....It is very simple, as are the food recommendations. Look at any other listed ingredient in there and ask yourself the same thing. It is really, very, very simple. If it's not on the list, don't eat it. If it is on the list, you're good to go.

[DrivenToRecover]

Staring at a screen too long, masturbation, and eating certain foods all give me the same noticeable foggy feeling.

What causes this?

[Maxout777]

Staring at a screen too long, masturbation, and eating certain foods all give me the same noticeable foggy feeling.

What causes this?

This happened to me too, I'm not sure 100% what it is, but I'm assuming it has to do with dopamine or the dopamine receptors in the brain.

[Maxout777]

Staring at a screen too long, masturbation, and eating certain foods all give me the same noticeable foggy feeling.

What causes this?

Double post......damn

[Cdsnuts]

Staring at a screen too long, masturbation, and eating certain foods all give me the same noticeable foggy feeling.

What causes this?

Does your vision get effected as well?

[DrivenToRecover]

The weird way that vision is changed does become more pronounced, yes.

None of these 3 are new things btw. They aren't really problematic anymore either. I'm just curious to understand them.

I think when it comes to the fogginess from foods its possibly the body's reduced ability to cope with stress that you feel. Poorly digestible foods seem to induce the stress response.

Cheese especially puts my head on the moon for an hour or so.

Today I also had a ~22 oz grass fed steak that also induced a little fog.
So even healthy foods in excess seem to induce the feeling.


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[Cdsnuts]

The weird way that vision is changed does become more pronounced, yes.

None of these 3 are new things btw. They aren't really problematic anymore either. I'm just curious to understand them.

I think when it comes to the fogginess from foods its possibly the body's reduced ability to cope with stress that you feel. Poorly digestible foods seem to induce the stress response.

Cheese especially puts my head on the moon for an hour or so.

Today I also had a ~22 oz grass fed steak that also induced a little fog.
So even healthy foods in excess seem to induce the feeling.


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It obviously all get's better, but as for the why, I'm pretty sure it has something to do with Gaba. Although how and why, can't tell you.

Nice steak, btw.

[DrivenToRecover]

It obviously all get's better, but as for the why, I'm pretty sure it has something to do with Gaba. Although how and why, can't tell you.

Nice steak, btw.

It has definitely gotten better. I've tried foods that made me feel terrible in the past & now its just mild discomfort.

I was reading on another forum that GABA levels are directly connected with your ability to learn...which definitely explains quite a lot


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[Cdsnuts]

It has definitely gotten better. I've tried foods that made me feel terrible in the past & now its just mild discomfort.

I was reading on another forum that GABA levels are directly connected with your ability to learn...which definitely explains quite a lot


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Absolutely it is. I remember at my worst, I could not retain information.....at all. I went from being a straight A student without effort to not being able to remember ANYTHING new.

[DrivenToRecover]

Absolutely it is. I remember at my worst, I could not retain information.....at all. I went from being a straight A student without effort to not being able to remember ANYTHING new.

Any tips to improve this?

The part of it thats the hardest is having to rely so much on things I learned in the past to earn a living

[Swill]

Any tips to improve this?

The part of it thats the hardest is having to rely so much on things I learned in the past to earn a living

I've always found Lions Mane great to sharpen my mind up. Finally got Bacopa with my recent order and haven't used it long but that seems absolutely great too.

[PeterA]

PeterA, I'm gonna write you this at the complete risk of totally exposing and embarassing myself to this forum (but they're all a bunch of people on the internet I don't know irl anyway, so fuqqit.)

Listen to CDN. I know there have been different methods listed out by different users of how they got better, but CD's is the only one I've found in two years that actually consistently helps people feel better/heal entirely.

A year ago, I came to this forum the same way you're coming. I didn't want to give up the party life. I didn't want to have to go on some even crazier diet than the one I was already on. And I thought CDN sounded like he was guessing some of this stuff because he never would post scientific articles behind his stuff (which he knows to this day still drives me crazy, but nonetheless, that's just kind of how he is). Throughout time though, I learned most everything he recommended was absolutely correct and absolutely helpful. His recommendations are backed by science. The only one I still can't agree with to this day is carb-backloading, and honestly, the data on that is so ambiguous that you might as well just try it if you're willing.

Anyways, as the formerly proud, 24-25 y/o that came here cussing out CDN and telling him he couldn't possibly know this is all the cure, I'm telling you now at 26, just listen to him. The research is there. If you need to, I'll even go and dig that shit up for you myself in favor of CDN.

These people are right when they tell you the cure can be found in a matter of months if you'll just listen. Don't take the path I took. Don't break and go out to drink and do drugs or smoke just because you feel insecure or weird at a party if you don't. It's not worth diminishing your progress. If you want this to only take years and years, to the point where you're finally recovered but so many years have gone by that your friends are done partying, go out and just act like you did before. Or take these forum member's advice and follow the protocol, and be able to go out and there and throw down like an animal again someday.

To make it a little more real for you, Maxoutt777 and me started our juice feast/fast right around the same time, and began taking the herbs around the same time. Maxoutt777 stayed with the protocol near perfectly, I broke down and drank and let up on the protocol over and over. Maxoutt777 can tell you today that he is about 90-99% cured... and I can only tell you that I'm maybe 70% there.

So yea. I hope this finally helps give you the motivation you're looking for.

Okay thank you very much!
But when you fx did some "shit", fx drank alcohol or so, did you then took 14 days juice feast again?? Or just back on track with the protocol?

[Cdsnuts]

Okay thank you very much!
But when you fx did some "shit", fx drank alcohol or so, did you then took 14 days juice feast again?? Or just back on track with the protocol?

Most people can go for a few cleanses to great benefit because they have so much shit inside them that needs to come out. But you can just jump back on the protocol and STAY on it.

[Cdsnuts]

PeterA, I'm gonna write you this at the complete risk of totally exposing and embarassing myself to this forum (but they're all a bunch of people on the internet I don't know irl anyway, so fuqqit.)

Listen to CDN. I know there have been different methods listed out by different users of how they got better, but CD's is the only one I've found in two years that actually consistently helps people feel better/heal entirely.

A year ago, I came to this forum the same way you're coming. I didn't want to give up the party life. I didn't want to have to go on some even crazier diet than the one I was already on. And I thought CDN sounded like he was guessing some of this stuff because he never would post scientific articles behind his stuff (which he knows to this day still drives me crazy, but nonetheless, that's just kind of how he is). Throughout time though, I learned most everything he recommended was absolutely correct and absolutely helpful. His recommendations are backed by science. The only one I still can't agree with to this day is carb-backloading, and honestly, the data on that is so ambiguous that you might as well just try it if you're willing.

Anyways, as the formerly proud, 24-25 y/o that came here cussing out CDN and telling him he couldn't possibly know this is all the cure, I'm telling you now at 26, just listen to him. The research is there. If you need to, I'll even go and dig that shit up for you myself in favor of CDN.

These people are right when they tell you the cure can be found in a matter of months if you'll just listen. Don't take the path I took. Don't break and go out to drink and do drugs or smoke just because you feel insecure or weird at a party if you don't. It's not worth diminishing your progress. If you want this to only take years and years, to the point where you're finally recovered but so many years have gone by that your friends are done partying, go out and just act like you did before. Or take these forum member's advice and follow the protocol, and be able to go out and there and throw down like an animal again someday.

To make it a little more real for you, Maxoutt777 and me started our juice feast/fast right around the same time, and began taking the herbs around the same time. Maxoutt777 stayed with the protocol near perfectly, I broke down and drank and let up on the protocol over and over. Maxoutt777 can tell you today that he is about 90-99% cured... and I can only tell you that I'm maybe 70% there.

So yea. I hope this finally helps give you the motivation you're looking for.

Nothing I recommend is guessed upon. Nothing.

It's ALL based on YEARS of personal experience. You need not bother yourself with bullshit studies about backloading where by the people that are writing them are writing them based on some kind of biased, for whatever reason. Most of the people writing those articles are writing them without any experience what so ever. They are writing them from a place of why they think it wouldn't work as opposed to actual experience. They're bullshit.

I KNOW it works and so do others that have taken it up. That's all that matters. It is the absolute best way to increase muscle mass while reducing fat simultaneously. It's the best way for you to get everything you can out of your workouts.

[PeterA]

Is dextrose okay? I tried to Google it. But Im wondering about its okay while following the protocol

[Cdsnuts]

Is dextrose okay? I tried to Google it. But Im wondering about its okay while following the protocol

If you can find it made from non-gmo corn, then yes.

That being said, even if it was from gmo, it probably would still be okay. We just don't know enough about the total downstream effects of gmo ingredients to say how bad it is either way. Therefore, avoid gmo's whenever possible.

[PeterA]

If you can find it made from non-gmo corn, then yes.

That being said, even if it was from gmo, it probably would still be okay. We just don't know enough about the total downstream effects of gmo ingredients to say how bad it is either way. Therefore, avoid gmo's whenever possible.

Thank you CD!

I have following the protocol for 2 months now, and it feels good!
The last weeks, i smoked cigarettes and took tobacco snuff bags.
But I'm done with that again! Is it then like, i have to juice feast again or??

[PeterA]

Is it okay to eat friture fried carbs while carb backloading, as long as the carbs are gluten free?

[Holistic]

Is it okay to eat friture fried carbs while carb backloading, as long as the carbs are gluten free?

No.

[Ridd]

random sexual health related question:

after getting a lot of my dick function back, I find that I'm dealing with some gnarly premature ejac. to the point where I'll get in 2 pumps and be done if the mood is right. no amount of meditation, or mental clarity can change this. I trained myself to last super long before this thing as I was always quick to fire, but this is another level. I'm not jerkin it much anymore, so I know that is a big part in it, and I'm sure It's like relearning to walk- except we're relearning how to fuck basically. we're retraining our third leg, right boys?

I'm sure it just needs some time, but if anyone, esp the recovered guys, have any insight on this sort of thing it would be appreciated.

sorry for the graphic details.

[Sploicers]

It might be worth it honestly to get a fake vagina. My friend used to blow his load super quickly apparently, and he got one of those and after a couple months he was much better (He's my best friend, so he confides this shit to me). I think they even have ones tailored specifically to helping with that.

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On top of that...

My sister has been having huge anxiety attacks recently. Its really starting to affect her career and personal life. Which herbs have people found relaxes the mind the most? I would really appreciate it.

[Cdsnuts]

It might be worth it honestly to get a fake vagina. My friend used to blow his load super quickly apparently, and he got one of those and after a couple months he was much better (He's my best friend, so he confides this shit to me). I think they even have ones tailored specifically to helping with that.

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On top of that...

My sister has been having huge anxiety attacks recently. Its really starting to affect her career and personal life. Which herbs have people found relaxes the mind the most? I would really appreciate it.
Gotu Kola and bacopa

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[TubZy]

Get a fleshlight, if you want something to help, but the underlying cause of premature ejaculation is low dopamine and GABA with high serotonin and adrenaline. So anything that helps raise/lower what I mentioned above will help fix the root cause.

[Cdsnuts]

Get a fleshlight, if you want something to help, but the underlying cause of premature ejaculation is low dopamine and GABA with high serotonin and adrenaline. So anything that helps raise/lower what I mentioned above will help fix the root cause.
The meditation and breathing exercises work on all of those.

Don't be so quick to discount it rid

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[Ridd]

gotcha, thanks for the advice guys.

I'll meditate on it more and work through it slowly as is tradition round here. but I guess now is the best excuse to get a plastic vagina I'll ever have...

Finally get my dick working properly again and I last for 2 seconds. frustrating to say the least, this thing has taught me patience and willpower above all else.

I've had PE before, this is to the point where I could be flaccid and I could still bust, almost happened a few times. never even knew that level of PE existed, it's involuntary and doesn't matter how comfortable or prepared I am. I've been with a girl where I'd PE, 30 mins later it would heat up again, and same thing, whereas that second nut would be hard to even get in the past even if I had PE. but I wont dismiss the fact that this could be improved with more mindfulness and meditation.

From the search I've been doing, I probably am dopamine and GABA deficient, which would explain a lot of the lethargy and being prone to depression. Looking at tyrosine, any other recs for sups tubz?

edit: just read your post on L-Lysine Tubzy. I'll check it out.

[K8668B]

youll get your "PE" fixed in no time. youve made great progress and have come a long way ridd. Be happy. im the exact opposite. pfs caused for me a condition known as "delayed ejaculation", and its been this way for me since age 19!

[Ridd]

thanks man.

it's funny how we have the same but opposite problems, I gotta say though, I think I'd rather have your problem than mine hahah!

[K8668B]

thanks man.

it's funny how we have the same but opposite problems, I gotta say though, I think I'd rather have your problem than mine hahah!

LOL!

[DrivenToRecover]

Anybody have thoughts about roller coasters and PFS?

Some friends invited me to go to six flags with them. My stress is very under control these days, but I could see a day of adrenaline rushing being a bad time.

[Swill]

Anybody have thoughts about roller coasters and PFS?

Some friends invited me to go to six flags with them. My stress is very under control these days, but I could see a day of adrenaline rushing being a bad time.

I say go for it, let your hair down and have fun.

I hammered all the Florida parks last November and it did me no harm. In truth I didn't give it a second thought that it might though.

If you feel it something you'd be particularly sensitive to then avoid, but if not then life is for living... so don't be a pussy and sit in the front row 😎


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[Sploicers]

I'm big on not rejecting those kinds of activities into your life. You need your body to get used to them and heal with what you do regularly. If you stop doing ANYTHING that might change your composition, when you heal and you suddenly get back to that stuff your body might crash.

I like taking things slow, but I never limit myself on anything but alcohol and the diet. I want my body to keep being used to the stuff I do.

[Holistic]

Anybody have thoughts about roller coasters and PFS?

Some friends invited me to go to six flags with them. My stress is very under control these days, but I could see a day of adrenaline rushing being a bad time.

Go for it! have fun, enjoy the weather and rides, share with friends. All of it while Getting your mind off PFS.


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[Cdsnuts]

Anybody have thoughts about roller coasters and PFS?

Some friends invited me to go to six flags with them. My stress is very under control these days, but I could see a day of adrenaline rushing being a bad time.

Do it.

Do 45 minutes to an hour of breathing exercises before you go to the park to put your mind in the best place possible and to be able to handle the adrenaline rush. Just like you would before exposing yourself to freezing cold water. Use it to your advantage.

[Snell1234]

A real random question.

Has anyone's pine pollen tasted and smelt a bit different to previous batches? Something I can't quite put my finger on, but my last couple of bags seem to have a different smell/taste.

[Ridd]

A real random question.

Has anyone's pine pollen tasted and smelt a bit different to previous batches? Something I can't quite put my finger on, but my last couple of bags seem to have a different smell/taste.

personally, I know it went from something that I wasn't a huge fan of taste/smell wise that I now love. Idk what it is, but it's such a positive thing in my mind now that the smell and taste of it just give me a lot of good thoughts/senses.

I also mix it with applesauce, along with most of my herbs. fucking delicious.

[Snell1234]

The pine pollen from my order in June for all 3 big bags I ordered really does smell different to past ones and tastes very different too. It doesn't have that same odour and taste to it that all my previous orders. Hopefully it was just this batch and it goes back to normal.

[Cdsnuts]

It's a natural product so it's not standardized like a product would be that you purchased from a man-made lab. The weather, the nutrients, and everything that goes in to the tree producing the pollen changes from year to year. This is going to be reflected in the taste and smell. The effects are going to be exactly the same. For the record I loved the way my first couple kilos tasted but I'm not a fan of the newer stuff I have.



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[Swill]

It's a natural product so it's not standardized like a product would be that you purchased from a man-made lab. The weather the nutrients everything that goes in to the tree producing the pollen changes from year to year. This is going to be reflected in The Taste. The effects are going to be exactly the same. For the record I loved the way my first couple kilos tasted I'm not a fan of the newer stuff I have.

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Im with you on this. I've noticed quite a bit of variation in the years i've been ordering from them, and I'm more of a fan of the taste on the older stuff just before they rebranded from super man herbs.

The new stuff isn't too bad though, and as long as it gets you where you're going :)

[TubZy]

The pine pollen from my order in June for all 3 big bags I ordered really does smell different to past ones and tastes very different too. It doesn't have that same odour and taste to it that all my previous orders. Hopefully it was just this batch and it goes back to normal.

They switch suppliers a lot, they mentioned this to me when I spoke on the phone with them a while back, so probably from a different supplier.

[DrivenToRecover]

I touched a broken fin pill in an old pair of shorts & I'm feeling worse

Hoping this is just in my head..I am staying very calm, but any advice would be appreciated

I am a few days away from the end of cycle as well


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[Snell1234]

I touched a broken fin pill in an old pair of shorts & I'm feeling worse

Hoping this is just in my head..I am staying very calm, but any advice would be appreciated

I am a few days away from the end of cycle as well


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Have you got any more of it elsewhere? What's done is done now I guess, you can only focus on the future and making sure there's no more of it left.

[Cdsnuts]

I touched a broken fin pill in an old pair of shorts & I'm feeling worse

Hoping this is just in my head..I am staying very calm, but any advice would be appreciated

I am a few days away from the end of cycle as well


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[Snell1234]

I hope you're being sarcastic

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In fairness to him, and I might be a shocking test case as my mind often gets the better of me, I used to react when i touched a fin pill towards the end of using it. I might be a special case. But i also did read somewhere that it can be absorbed through the skin and for pregnant women not to touch it.

[Atticas]

Let's not forget placebo effect is a real thing to take into consideration as well here CDN.

The fact that DriventoRecover has had such an emotionally damaging experience with Finasteride in the past very well could make him believe that even just touching the stuff could have ill effect on him again, and if he believes it hard enough, he could very well make it come true with just his mind alone.

DrivenToRecover, for what it's worth, most of us here would tend to believe that Finasteride can really only effect you once taken into your system orally, so right now, you're probably just worrying yourself to death which really isn't going to help your situation and you are probably therefore creating a bigger problem for yourself in your mind. I think had you just touched the stuff and moved on, you'd be fine right now, so try and just not think about it, treat it like it was nothing, and move on friend :) You're still on your way to recovery

[DrivenToRecover]

Let's not forget placebo effect is a real thing to take into consideration as well here CDN.

The fact that DriventoRecover has had such an emotionally damaging experience with Finasteride in the past very well could make him believe that even just touching the stuff could have ill effect on him again, and if he believes it hard enough, he could very well make it come true with just his mind alone.

DrivenToRecover, for what it's worth, most of us here would tend to believe that Finasteride can really only effect you once taken into your system orally, so right now, you're probably just worrying yourself to death which really isn't going to help your situation and you are probably therefore creating a bigger problem for yourself in your mind. I think had you just touched the stuff and moved on, you'd be fine right now, so try and just not think about it, treat it like it was nothing, and move on friend :) You're still on your way to recovery

Thanks bud. I was hoping to hear I'm a dumb fuck for worrying lol


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[Cdsnuts]

Thanks bud. I was hoping to hear I'm a dumb fuck for worrying lol


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Nah...you're going to worry, but you need to practice at not worrying. It does nothing for your situation.

[DKnighten]

Hey guys, and most importantly CD, I've been having trouble finding shampoo, conditioner, and body wash that is completely free of estrogenic ingredients. I've used the ones on Healthranger, unscented body wash and shampoo, but it does have sunflower seed oil. As I have problems with high estrogen, I want to steer as clear of these ingredients as possible. Some guys on the forum have recommended soapnut shampoos and Dr bronner's. are there any other suggestions? Thank you!!

[DKnighten]

Please note I know this alone will not fix my problem, as I understand it is a systemic issue that can and will be fixed from the protocol. I am awaiting the materials to arrive for the juice feast, but from this point forward, I want to rest easy knowing that the hygiene products I'm using will not make anything worse.

Thanks.

[xxaleksi]

Please note I know this alone will not fix my problem, as I understand it is a systemic issue that can and will be fixed from the protocol. I am awaiting the materials to arrive for the juice feast, but from this point forward, I want to rest easy knowing that the hygiene products I'm using will not make anything worse.

Thanks.

I just use the Every Man Jack brand. Maxout used it during his recovery and I trust his opinion pretty well

[DKnighten]

Hey guys, I'm definitely late to the party on this, and I am sure this has been answered many, many times already. I have looked for where it could have been answered but I have not seen it.
I'm starting a 7 herb rotation, are there preferred herbs to start with? I already have ashwagandha, maca, pine pollen, and Goji Berry. Should I add schisandra, Rhodiola, and Tongkat?

Thanks.

[DKnighten]

Also, LEH doesn't seem to carry Rhodiola anymore. Any suggestions on a quality Rhodiola?

[DefRecover]

I have started with pine pollen (daily), tongkat, icarin, maca, shilajit, cistanche, he shou wu, mucuna, ashwghanda and eleuthero.

[DKnighten]

I have started with pine pollen (daily), tongkat, icarin, maca, shilajit, cistanche, he shou wu, mucuna, ashwghanda and eleuthero.

Thanks Def. How're you doing?

[Maxout777]

The alternate brand I used to Lost Empire was Barlowe’s and Bulk Supplements (Amazon).

[DefRecover]

Doing ok - I am starting to see some progress in the gym and the glycine is definitely a help for getting to sleep. Not noticing anything much from the herbs yet, but I’m sure that will change. My biggest issue is still my gut which I think affects everything else. Getting a scope next week - not expecting a huge amount from it - but just want to make sure it’s nothing sinister. I’ll do a proper write up in my own thread once it has been 3 months

[petty3112]

Does anyone who's experienced smaller penis size have any insight on how long it typically takes to get some of that size back? Just shocking that you can go your entire life with it being one size and then suddenly it's like you're 10 years old down there again. It seems like erect size is about the same as pre-crash but flaccid size is noticeably smaller. Really frustrating.

[Turnover25]

So I am experiencing extreme fatigue/sluggishness and anxiety after eating (mostly my first meal of the day), but throughout the day as well. Anyone know why this might be?

I've had this issue a bit in the past as well, I think it may be something underlying in my normal health that may be hurting my symptoms. Maybe something to do with blood sugar? Blood pressure? Any help would be great.

[basementdweller]

So I am experiencing extreme fatigue/sluggishness and anxiety after eating (mostly my first meal of the day), but throughout the day as well. Anyone know why this might be?

I've had this issue a bit in the past as well, I think it may be something underlying in my normal health that may be hurting my symptoms. Maybe something to do with blood sugar? Blood pressure? Any help would be great.

Lots of pfs guys get this. It was severe for me at one point and I still get it occasionally. Some guy on here mentioned Roemheld syndrome which seems to explain the symptoms - for me anyways. Foods that give you gas make it much worse. There's plenty of things a doctor might recommend but I'll let you research that

[Turnover25]

Lots of pfs guys get this. It was severe for me at one point and I still get it occasionally. Some guy on here mentioned Roemheld syndrome which seems to explain the symptoms - for me anyways. Foods that give you gas make it much worse. There's plenty of things a doctor might recommend but I'll let you research that

Thanks for the response. Did this improve for you?

[basementdweller]

Thanks for the response. Did this improve for you?

yes, it has improved a lot

[DKnighten]

Is carb backloading advised on JUST weight training days, or HIIT days also?

For the HIIT, is it advised to have them on separate days, or also on lifting days?

[Turnover25]

I’m going to the dentist tomorrow for a cleaning, any advice or tips on what to try and avoid? I haven’t taken in any Xenoestrogens in months.

[Benq123]

Is carb backloading advised on JUST weight training days, or HIIT days also?

For the HIIT, is it advised to have them on separate days, or also on lifting days?

Usually just weight training days, and separate days much better.

[DKnighten]

Usually just weight training days, and separate days much better.

So on non-training days, it would be limited to just meats, veggies, nuts, seeds, fruits and no oatmeal, sweet potatoes etc? Would this ever put you into a ketogenic state, or cause abnormal blood sugar fluctuation by strictly limiting carb intake on non-training days? Just curious.

[Benq123]

So on non-training days, it would be limited to just meats, veggies, nuts, seeds, fruits and no oatmeal, sweet potatoes etc? Would this ever put you into a ketogenic state, or cause abnormal blood sugar fluctuation by strictly limiting carb intake on non-training days? Just curious.

Exactly.
Since fruits are allowed and you will have carb backloaded previously, I'm pretty sure you'd never be in a ketogenic state, but you will probably burn fat better which is good.
Your blood sugar gets regulated even better from fats and proteins so the lack of complex carbs those days aren't a problem.

[xxaleksi]

What's the verdict on processed meat while on the protocol? I've been eating store bought bacon basically daily since July. I have a paleo food app on my phone that says bacon is allowed. But just recently I did some googling and apparently store bought bacon often has chemicals in it that are bad for you. Should I drop it? There's a lot of conflicting information on the internet about it so not sure what to do really. Pretty much everything else in my diet is organic.

[RickTheRuler]

What's the verdict on processed meat while on the protocol? I've been eating store bought bacon basically daily since July. I have a paleo food app on my phone that says bacon is allowed. But just recently I did some googling and apparently store bought bacon often has chemicals in it that are bad for you. Should I drop it? There's a lot of conflicting information on the internet about it so not sure what to do really. Pretty much everything else in my diet is organic.

Coming from someone who probably eats the least amount of organic foods in this whole forum due to my location and money constraints, it does not make or break your recovery. But, if you could buy everything organic, do so.


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[Turnover25]

Would you guys consider almond butter/almond flour paleo and good to put into the protocol? I haven’t eaten it yet but I noticed it’s considered paleo on the google searches I did.

[Marquis]

Would you guys consider almond butter/almond flour paleo and good to put into the protocol? I haven’t eaten it yet but I noticed it’s considered paleo on the google searches I did.

Almonds, like most nuts, are high in omega-6 fatty acids, which are becoming increasingly recognised as being deleterious to health. Whilst nuts aren’t a problem in small amounts, nut butters and flours are not something that I would include as a staple of my diet.

[xxaleksi]

Coming from someone who probably eats the least amount of organic foods in this whole forum due to my location and money constraints, it does not make or break your recovery. But, if you could buy everything organic, do so.


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Thanks man. Yeah, I saw your post about how CD told you foods not always being organic won't really affect your recovery much. But there's just so much conflicting information on this stuff online that it was making my head spin lol.

[petty3112]

Which testosterone boosting supplements do you guys think are "best" to start off with? The full list can be a little overwhelming (and pricy) so I'm looking to start with a few and then add more over time.

[Alchemy]

Which testosterone boosting supplements do you guys think are "best" to start off with? The full list can be a little overwhelming (and pricy) so I'm looking to start with a few and then add more over time.

I'd say Tongkat, Ant, Pine Pollen, Shilajit, Citanche, Shishranda, Catauba Bark and Tribulus are the best to start rotating with.

[petty3112]

Are you supposed to lift/do HIIT during the juice feast?

[Cdsnuts]

Are you supposed to lift/do HIIT during the juice feast?

No. The cleansing period is a period of rest. Just as it states on the website.

[petty3112]

Did anyone else experience mouth/throat soreness when ending the juice feast and eating for the first time? I ended the feast a few days ago and the pain kind of resembles strep throat.

[Turnover25]

Does anyone else have issues with screens? Phones, TV and my laptop are all a big issue for me since all this began.

[Bankai9000]

In the beginning I couldn't sit infront of screens, watch TV or anything on phone. Seemed as everything that moves too fast literally drains me out. First 2 months went monkmode lol. Now I feel like pressure is building up inside of me and I get somewhat hot(light sweat) when sitting for more than an hour infront of pc. But nothing major

[Turnover25]

In the beginning I couldn't sit infront of screens, watch TV or anything on phone. Seemed as everything that moves too fast literally drains me out. First 2 months went monkmode lol. Now I feel like pressure is building up inside of me and I get somewhat hot(light sweat) when sitting for more than an hour infront of pc. But nothing major

Weird, I have the same issue. It used to be much worse also. I’m gonna get some blue light blocking glasses and see if they help. I played Xbox for the first time in months yesterday for like 6 hours and then later that night my mental symptoms went bad again

[Comewhatmay]

Hey dudes

Was gonna open a thread of a question I had but thought I'd hop on this one.

When the gyms open and I get into lifting how does it work in regards to raising testosterone. Is it like the more weight you lift the better testosterone levels that rise? Of course early days I will not push to hard to avoid burnout or cortisol spike but in terms of the actual weights especially after say a month or two should I be exerting myself and going to failure or would be going to 70 to 80% max be sufficient?

As a weight newbie I plan to carry out the tmo way of 4 day split and a hiit sprint probably on arm day.

Thanks fellas

[Maxout777]

Hey dudes

Was gonna open a thread of a question I had but thought I'd hop on this one.

When the gyms open and I get into lifting how does it work in regards to raising testosterone. Is it like the more weight you lift the better testosterone levels that rise? Of course early days I will not push to hard to avoid burnout or cortisol spike but in terms of the actual weights especially after say a month or two should I be exerting myself and going to failure or would be going to 70 to 80% max be sufficient?

As a weight newbie I plan to carry out the tmo way of 4 day split and a hiit sprint probably on arm day.

Thanks fellas

I would ease in at the 70-80% max range. Try to push yourself once a week to see where the weight is progressing as far as gains go. Always go by how you feel when you do that. If you feel like ass that day, maybe don’t push it.

[petty3112]

Not sure if anyone else saw this, but a recent study found that "gut microbiota population is altered in PFS patients, suggesting that it might represent a diagnostic marker and a possible therapeutic target for this syndrome." Alterations of gut microbiota composition in post-finasteride patients: a pilot study | SpringerLink (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40618-020-01424-0)

Just reinforces what many of us suspected – that the gut is definitely hit hard by PFS...and that the juice/water fast, diet, and probiotics can start to address this issue.

[The whit wagon]

Not sure if anyone else saw this, but a recent study found that "gut microbiota population is altered in PFS patients, suggesting that it might represent a diagnostic marker and a possible therapeutic target for this syndrome." Alterations of gut microbiota composition in post-finasteride patients: a pilot study | SpringerLink (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40618-020-01424-0)

Just reinforces what many of us suspected – that the gut is definitely hit hard by PFS...and that the juice/water fast, diet, and probiotics can start to address this issue.

Know exactly what you mean over time my acid reflux and bloating issues have improved tremendously especially after 2 water fasts