Help - Dr Bouloux

[daniel1286]

Guys I really need some help..........

I have been seeing Dr Bouloux a specialist PFS DR and he said my Thyroid was Coarse and my Liver was fatty

He then contacts my GP and says this a mood disorder??????

I feel very close to the edge right now and death feels like the only way out



Ive been given 100mg viagra everyday it does nothing
And also cilotropam and again its doing nothing


I have psoraisis all over my body, seb derm on my face
extreme ED
Extreme fatigue and muscle weakness
Brain fog
and perhaps my worst symptoms is hypolglycemia attacks when I wake in the morning and afternoon
Ive gone from 12st footballer to 16st fat belly loser


Please someone give me a way out

[CannonBalls]

Daniel, you're going to be alright. Follow Cd's protocol to heal yourself. I'm a year and a half in and have got great results. I know it's extremely rough in the beginning, but if you read these threads you'll see that it is possible to recover. In my situation, my doctors could not help me. The first one told me it was all in my head. The second one listened a little more but gave me no answers. Paid a lot of money to a naturopath also, still no help. Once I fully incorporated Cd's protocol, starting with a juice feast in my case, I began to improve.

You're going to be okay, just read the threads here and also http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com

[Swill]

Guys I really need some help..........

I have been seeing Dr Bouloux a specialist PFS DR and he said my Thyroid was Coarse and my Liver was fatty

He then contacts my GP and says this a mood disorder??????

I feel very close to the edge right now and death feels like the only way out



Ive been given 100mg viagra everyday it does nothing
And also cilotropam and again its doing nothing


I have psoraisis all over my body, seb derm on my face
extreme ED
Extreme fatigue and muscle weakness
Brain fog
and perhaps my worst symptoms is hypolglycemia attacks when I wake in the morning and afternoon
Ive gone from 12st footballer to 16st fat belly loser


Please someone give me a way out

I can chime in here as I went to see Prof Bouloux, making a six hour round trip several times to do so from Wales to Harley Street, London, when PFS first hit in 2013. He claims to believe in PFS but everyone he see's pretty much, he tells them its in their heads. He did similar to me whereby he wrote to my GP (family doctor for those not in the UK) telling them it was in my head and painting me to be a loon. He prescribed me with dostinex and told me to take viagra daily, the only reasons for which with hindsight is for me to 'get back my confidence' from what he clearly thought was a mental issue.

He admitted during my visits that his two sons take fin, and he is actively involved with drug trails to make 'birth control for men' in the UK, which will undoubtedly bring its own side effects... the trial was basically an injection stopping a man's FSH, and then supplementing with low level testosterone to bring the slightly diminished levels back up to normal. This is not the kind of person you want advising you with regard to PFS... don't waste another penny on professor bollocks.

Your way out is already documented here Daniel. I can hear the desperation in your message, and can assure you that you are not alone... that was me too. I suggest you go to the recovery sticky at the top of this page and look up mine, to see how possible it is to heal from where you are now. You desperately want a silver bullet to make things better but there isn't one, but with hard work and following the stuff that CannonBalls linked you too, as I have, with time you can totally beat this thing and go on to better than you have ever felt in your life.

This is your way out man,s top panicking yourself to death and know that you have finally found the right place... now get to it and you'll be feeling better with time. Oh, and ditch the medication if you can... if you have a girlfriend then occasional viagra to get the deed done is fine and was something I used, but there is no need or benefit for it daily.

[Durantia37]

For what it's worth, I've only been doing the protocol mentioned above for about 3 months and I'm already getting good results. I was suicidal for months over this shit, totally unnecessarily. It's impossible not to be terrified in the beginning, but later you see how unnecessary and harmful it is.

[daniel1286]

Thanks for feedback guys - but im in such a bad way I dont think I can even begin to look at and understand the protocol

Is there any must do parts that I can look at because I cant explain how foggy my brain is

[Benq123]

I suggest reading the recoveries section and in particular Chi's recovery on the second page.
If you have the money, to pay for gut/Adrenal tests etc you could see a functional medicine doctor or nutritional therapist for more specialised help. They would put you on a protocol similar to Chi's/CD's but may have differences based on your results.
This is much better than throwing your money at Bouloux.

Or, simply follow a protocol such as CD's or Chi's and stick with it. Either one should get you there in the end.

[daniel1286]

Thanks all of you - any positives you can give me are really helpful....

Ive had all bloods etc every test you name it

Pro Bouloux looked at my thyroid on ultra sound and said it looked very coarse but he did not mention this in the letter to GP (my mum and sister both are hypothy)

Ive paid for private cortisol tests and they all come back super high in the morning / but low in the urnine
Again Im sure I have cyclical cushings


But the worst symptom I can not cope with is the hyopglycemic attacks? So how do I attempt a juice feast?

[daniel1286]

Also guys somehow Ive managed to take up smoking in the last 6 months as I find it helps during low blood sugar attacks

[Durantia37]

What kind of diet are you eating? Worst possible thing for your hypoglycemic attacks is eating high fat foods with carbs and then sitting down. Make sure you're moving around a lot in between meals. I was stuck in a catch-22 for awhile where my body craved fats and sugar all the time from high cortisol, but when I ate them I'd get blood sugar crashes. Best solution I found was walking or exercising after eating carbs.

[daniel1286]

Duranti Im eating well etc good nutrition but when these attacks strike I have to combat them with sugar ie a choc bar and a red bull else I will literally pass out

How is your recovery going?

[Swill]

Daniel,

Prof Bouloux is not a specialist in PFS, he is a fraud that pretends to acknowledge its existence but feels it is linked to mental health issues. He pays lip service on visits to the office then writes to your GP indicating it is mental health linked, he has done to you as he did to me, and as I hear he has done to many others. Don't give the fraud another penny.

I know it can be hard to take stuff in with brain fog, I found it exactly the same, but I sat a weekend aside, went through the information CD from this board had laid out (which was on a much less helpful forum than this so it took some time to sift through the bullshit from other members) and just made notes, I got what I needed in place and started a few weeks later and never looked back. I was also coming off all kinds of medication at the time, and that made things extra difficult to deal with, but once you get through the first few weeks things get better QUICKLY. You really wont believe it. And the good news is the mental stuff is the typically the first thing to improve, from my experience and the others that I have spoken to that commit to the plan.

Stop trying to treat symptoms and work on treating the cause holistically. Its not easy but you realise very quickly how worth it it is, particular if you are very bad off. Get on http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com and get things rolling.

[daniel1286]

Thanks Swill

I also travel from Devon to him, my next appointment is 26th May

Im in such a dark place, I believe there is a issue with my thyroid and adrenals....and can this proctocol reverse that I think they need meds

So I need to start off with a juice feast right? Are there any supps that I must order???

I appreciate everyones help by the way so much

[Durantia37]

It's very very important that you find some way to avoid both of the foods you mentioned ASAP and for good. Try peanut butter and goat's milk, or bananas, or white rice with protein, or organic fruit juice...anything besides those two things. Red bull with a severe adrenal problem is suicide.

My recovery is going very well. So well I'm legitimately glad I got PFS. PFS is temporary - this protocol lasts a lifetime. BUT I do absolutely everything every day. This can take time to accomplish.

(Btw, I was FUCKED up).

[Cdsnuts]

My recovery is going very well. So well I'm legitimately glad I got PFS. PFS is temporary - this protocol lasts a lifetime. BUT I do absolutely everything every day. This can take time to accomplish.

(Btw, I was FUCKED up).

This ^^^^^^

This is what you have to do. EVERY THING, EVERY DAY. This is how you get results, the QUICKEST. And even then, it's a slow burn. You have to change your lifestyle completely. Do this, and you will recover. There is no if, ands, or buts about it.

That being said, when you stay on the protocol after you consider yourself recovered, you will reach heights of health and male vibrancy that you never thought possible. You will, by default, slowly but surely change into an alpha male.

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks Swill

I also travel from Devon to him, my next appointment is 26th May

Im in such a dark place, I believe there is a issue with my thyroid and adrenals....and can this proctocol reverse that I think they need meds

So I need to start off with a juice feast right? Are there any supps that I must order???

I appreciate everyones help by the way so much

READ the quick start guide as best you can. Over and over again.

[daniel1286]

Also Im currently on Testogel 50 a day
Ciltopram 20mg a day

My bmi from Bouloux just came back at 31!

Thoughts guys????

[Cdsnuts]

Also Im currently on Testogel 50 a day
Ciltopram 20mg a day

My bmi from Bouloux just came back at 31!

Thoughts guys????

They have already told you their thoughts. It doesn't seem as though you're listening though. Ditch the pharms and start the protocol. The sooner you start it, the sooner you'll have your life back.

[Benq123]

They have already told you their thoughts. It doesn't seem as though you're listening though. Ditch the pharms and start the protocol. The sooner you start it, the sooner you'll have your life back.

This.

Stop seeing Bouloux for a start. If you want to get tests done and want specialised help, see a functional medicine doctor or nutritional therapist. Otherwise, the protocol is there.

[daniel1286]

Tried juicing, started yesterday and did a whole day

Today I had such bad hyopglycemia I had to eat some real food and now my body is so weak and shaky

[Cdsnuts]

Tried juicing, started yesterday and did a whole day

Today I had such bad hyopglycemia I had to eat some real food and now my body is so weak and shaky
Then you didn't drink enough juice.

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[daniel1286]

I had 2 banannas, kale, an apple, almond mik, pineapple and mango

Could it be the fruit sugar is causing the hypoglycemia???

[daniel1286]

I would like to pay someone £25 to write up a plan for what my next 3 months should look like

Diet and all supps

Let me know if any takers please and I will pay via paypal

[Cdsnuts]

Did you drink four to six quarts? If not, then you didn't drink enough juice

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[daniel1286]

Am I supposed to drink coffee also to counteract the low energy?

[Cdsnuts]

All of this is laid out for you on the website... All of it. I don't mind helping out here and there but I'm not going to spoon-feed you the information that's available for everyone. If myself and others struggled through it while we were completely mentally debilitated you can too.

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[daniel1286]

Ok well Im willing to pay for a personalised plan for myself if anyone wishes to assist with this????????

[Benq123]

As I mentioned earlier, I suggest looking at the recoveries section of the website and looking at Chi's protocol or follow CD's website and advice. Both are similar.
If you have the money and feel like you need personal support, Chi used Gilian Hamer, a nutritional therapist, which I am also using. Her number is 07710147076.

[Cdsnuts]

As I mentioned earlier, I suggest looking at the recoveries section of the website and looking at Chi's protocol or follow CD's website and advice. Both are similar.
If you have the money and feel like you need personal support, Chi used Gilian Hamer, a nutritional therapist, which I am also using. Her number is 07710147076.
And even the nutritional therapist isn't necessary. If it helps you and makes you feel better than fine. But it's very simply just sticking to the foods listed in the Paleo Diet. If it's not on the list don't eat it

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[daniel1286]

Ive just sent Gillian a mail....are you seeing positive results with her? How much does she charge???

[Benq123]

Ive just sent Gillian a mail....are you seeing positive results with her? How much does she charge???

First consultation is £120, any follow ups are £60, plus any tests if you decide that you want them. I've only just had my first consultation so I can't say anything about results yet.

However, you will get there by following CD's protocol if you decide to do it alone.

[Durantia37]

If someone did a write-up of diet and supps for you it would be the same thing as the website. If you can't understand one you won't understand the other. Eat meat, veggies, a little bit of fruit, and rice if you want it. That's basically the whole diet. Supps are on the site. Herbs are on the site. Exercise plan is on the site.

You could also look at a thread on here called "My Journey to the Promised Land." Somewhere near the middle of the whole thread Maxout gives his exact supp and exercise regimen. He's basically recovered now.

[daniel1286]

Ive looked at the site but with my brain in the state its in, things like cycling supps and backloading etc are to much to comprehend at this moment

[daniel1286]

WHat did she say in first consultation Benq? did she give you a feeling of hope beating this?

[Cdsnuts]

WHat did she say in first consultation Benq? did she give you a feeling of hope beating this?

My man...I know you're brain fogged to hell right now....but listen to me...

SHE ISN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING. YOU ARE, BY TRYING YOUR BEST TO FOLLOW THIS PROTOCOL.

[Swill]

Daniel my friend, there is no silver bullet to magically get rid of all this, which is what you are looking for.

You're ignoring the answer because it sounds like hard work, but when you want it bad enough as you clearly dont right now then go back to the web site we have linked you too and get on with it... its much easier than you think, just takes a tiny bit of initial work.

Put the money you are spending on paying that pretentious fraud to write letters to your GP telling them you're mental to good use by getting the herbs in you need to start this protocol, and dive right in. If you need proof it works, read through the threads here first.

[Durantia37]

Yeah, like Swill said: spend your money on herbs if you're gonna spend it on something. Don't worry about backloading right now if it's confusing, that's one of the least important things.

You're still in the hysterical stage. It's understandable, I was in that stage for a long time. Do yourself a favor and make your time in the hysterical stage as inexpensive and non-destructive as possible by doing even just 10 days of juice. Brainfog is normally better the emptier your stomach is, so you should be able to put together a barebones regimen during that time. I would order herbs now so they'll be here by the time the feast is over.

[Benq123]

WHat did she say in first consultation Benq? did she give you a feeling of hope beating this?

I may not have made my message clear. There's no silver bullet, she isn't some kind of Pfs expert. Like the others have said, YOU make yourself recover, with a protocol. The main reason I'm currently using her is to get tests done on my gut to see what kind of infections I have and to treat them.
If you still have doubts about recovery you need to read more recovery posts from this forum and many others.
Either way, you need to be on a protocol, and you will get there, as will I.

[daniel1286]

Thanks for your supportive message guys - It may not seem it but I am grateful
.......

Im in such a dark place my arms do not have enough strength or energy to hold my phone to my ear

Im going to crack on looking at the site and ordering herbs

[PeterA]

No. Rice is only if you do carb backloading :-)

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Durantia37 - No. Rice is only if you do carb backloading :-)

[daniel1286]

Ok so I did what everyone suggested

I made 5 1 litre Juices (spinach, kale mango, almond milk banna celery)

Come 3.30 my blood sugars crashed to the point where I was gonna faint so I had to eat a choc bar and some crisps????

THoughts please, is my insulin levels fucked? Is my adrenals fucked? How do I overcome this????????

[Swill]

man like I said, the first steps can be horrendous but you've got to ride it out and be strong, and know things will balance out, and not go for the chocolate etc.

I went to the other side of the world and did a medically supervised water fast for 2 weeks... do you think the detox period was fun on that?! and becoming so weak that walking 25 meters made you dizzy. Just ride the first few weeks and you will be feeling better in no time. You have to step up and take it though man.

[Cdsnuts]

Ok so I did what everyone suggested

I made 5 1 litre Juices (spinach, kale mango, almond milk banna celery)

Come 3.30 my blood sugars crashed to the point where I was gonna faint so I had to eat a choc bar and some crisps????

THoughts please, is my insulin levels fucked? Is my adrenals fucked? How do I overcome this????????
First off, stop eating garbage. Just because your blood sugar drops doesn't mean you have to eat junk to get it back up. Make better choices.

Secondly, vary your juices by making different ones. Make a quart of orange juice or a quart of Apple grape juice with some celery, it cetera. Don't be scared of the fruit sugar because apparently your body needs it.

Your body will eventually adjust to taking in nothing but juice but there is an adjustment in the beginning that has to be made.

If you have the ability to just rest when this happens then just rest.

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[daniel1286]

Thanks Chaps - I think I need to take ten days off work to make this work properly where I can rest up

This will be likely be mid june so until then I will introduce juicing slowly for breakfast and evening dinner

Does this sound like a good idea?

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks Chaps - I think I need to take ten days off work to make this work properly where I can rest up

This will be likely be mid june so until then I will introduce juicing slowly for breakfast and evening dinner

Does this sound like a good idea?
No. It's better to do the cleanse all in one shot. While juicing is extremely healthy and is a good life practice you want to save up your willpower for the cleanse. For right now just eat the Paleo Diet and stop eating the junk. Then when the time comes go all out and do the juice feast.

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[daniel1286]

Thanks brother - I shall follow your advice on this one

I would say the hypoglycemia is my worst symptom of all because of the fatigue it causes when waking in the morning and the constant daily battle
And considering the full ED issues thats really saying something

I shall find a way out of this dark place

[daniel1286]

Dr Bouloux has emailed my GP now telling him to put me on GLP1 right away to help blood sugar and weight gain issues??? Thoughts??

[Cdsnuts]

Dr Bouloux has emailed my GP now telling him to put me on GLP1 right away to help blood sugar and weight gain issues??? Thoughts??
Daniel... Listen... On this site we know how to fix PFS. It's all documented here and on my website for everyone to use.

I do not recommend any pharmaceutical drugs whatsoever during or after this process as they are not necessary and will only slow down your progress to making a full recovery.

There is no need to keep going back and forth on this issue as it is pointless. If you want to get out of the hell you're in start on the protocol immediately. By going back and forth with these doctors you are just prolonging your misery.

If for some reason you still feel the need to discuss these things perhaps this isn't the best site for you as we already know what needs to be done to get you where you want to go. If you choose not to take this advice there's not much anyone else is going to be able to do for you.

Again, there is no point in asking everyone what they think concerning any type of medication. NONE if it is recommended here. The resources here are to help people along that are doing the outlined regimen. THAT is what this site is for.

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[Swill]

Daniel... Listen... On this site we know how to fix PFS. It's all documented here and on my website for everyone to use.

I do not recommend any pharmaceutical drugs whatsoever during or after this process as they are not necessary and will only slow down your progress to making a full recovery.

There is no need to keep going back and forth on this issue as it is pointless. If you want to get out of the hell you're in start on the protocol immediately. By going back and forth with these doctors you are just prolonging your misery.

If for some reason you still feel the need to discuss these things perhaps this isn't the best site for you as we already know what needs to be done to get you where you want to go. If you choose not to take this advice there's not much anyone else is going to be able to do for you.

Again, there is no point in asking everyone what they think concerning any type of medication. NONE if it is recommended here. The resources here are to help people along that are doing the outlined regimen. THAT is what this site is for.

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Seconded from someone that has been through this garbage with Prof Bouloux... Pharmaceuticals got us into this mess, natural and holistic methods are the only way to get out of it.

[daniel1286]

Hi guys

Little update I saw Dr Bouloux Yesterday and he changed his diagnosis now to metabollic syndrome not a depression issue.....

My BMI is high and im testing high for gout etc so he wants me to focus on getting my weight down

In ten days I start the protocol full steam ahead and cant wait to get on the path to a new me!!!!!!!!!!

I may need some support though on what supplments to use and when as i dont understand cycling etc

[holyhead]

I gained 60lbs of strange like watery flab all over stomach and upper torso..Physical body has totally changed..

[daniel1286]

HolyHead have you dropped all this weight since doing the protocol?

Yes all my weight is around by abdomen

I have early stages of fatty liver too

[Cdsnuts]

Guys this is due to your T:E ratio being completely screwed up. It will eventually adjust and fix itself given enough time just like everything else

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[daniel1286]

Question guys.........

The real weight gain issues started when I got on testogel, could that have caused it and shall I drop it out now? I assume yes

My estrogen level is super low btw for reference

Im starting to buy all the supplements today ready to take this on

[Swill]

Question guys.........

The real weight gain issues started when I got on testogel, could that have caused it and shall I drop it out now? I assume yes

My estrogen level is super low btw for reference

Im starting to buy all the supplements today ready to take this on

As we have already said, get off the pharma, you wont start to heal while on it

[Benq123]

As we have already said, get off the pharma, you wont start to heal while on it

Yeah and please stop seeing Bouloux, as others have already said.

[daniel1286]

yeah I understand this

He has now changed my diagnosis to a metabollic syndrome

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I am hedging all my bets on this protocol solving this problem

[Cdsnuts]

yeah I understand this

He has now changed my diagnosis to a metabollic syndrome

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I am hedging all my bets on this protocol solving this problem

I can make this easier for you mentally. Simply STAY on the protocol forever. Make it your life. Stop worrying about time-frames. It becomes second nature after a certain amount of time and you'll wonder why you didn't start it sooner.

[daniel1286]

Yes I concur once I break the first 30 days I have no doubts I will use this as the foundation for my life!

Do you subscribe to this being a metabolic syndrome?!

I can deal with everything but these energy crashes / sugar crashes are just unbearable

[holyhead]

[QUOTE=daniel1286;53920]HolyHead have you dropped all this weight since doing the protocol?

NO..I have improved a lot over the last 4 months..On a shit load of supplements..Dude quit trying to make sense of Drs and a diagnosis of this condition..There isn't one..I deal with one of the best Neuro hormone specialist in the country..Its all trial and error and while help me some he won't even acknowledge the physical sides which are the worst in my case as coming from finasteride..They try to blame other things, your eating to much, it's the mk677 blah, blah...They are clueless.

[Cdsnuts]

Yes I concur once I break the first 30 days I have no doubts I will use this as the foundation for my life!

Do you subscribe to this being a metabolic syndrome?!

I can deal with everything but these energy crashes / sugar crashes are just unbearable

No. You have PFS. You're here to fix it. You'll have ups, you'll have downs, but you'll heal. That's all you need to worry about. Stop chasing Dr's because they don't have what you need. It's all here. No need to think anything more about it.

What if I did say you have metabolic syndrome? Then what? My recommendation would still be the same. It would also be the same if you said you had adrenal fatigue, hypogonadism, etc.

You see, it doesn't matter what is ailing you. The protocol aims to put your body back on track, firing on all cylinders regardless of what it is. This is the benefit of treating yourself holistically. Fix the whole system as opposed to treating symptoms, and all of the problems will fix themselves.

All you need is time + consistency.

[daniel1286]

So tomorrow is the most important day of my life, the day i get my health back!

I have ten days off work and start my juice feast tomorrow morning...

I have some more questions about how to use the supps which I will ask once I have the full set

[Swill]

So tomorrow is the most important day of my life, the day i get my health back!

I have ten days off work and start my juice feast tomorrow morning...

I have some more questions about how to use the supps which I will ask once I have the full set

Good luck man, remember it will be rough but stay the course and don't panic if you're feeling bad... just ride it out.

[PeterA]

I can make this easier for you mentally. Simply STAY on the protocol forever. Make it your life. Stop worrying about time-frames. It becomes second nature after a certain amount of time and you'll wonder why you didn't start it sooner.

Excatly this kind of messages is not good I think.
Because its not a better life without alcohol and all kind of food, that's a BIG part of having fun with friends and I hope you know that!
I have following the protocol for almost 2 months now, and yes I improve and yes I can feel it's good for my body! But come on? Stay on the protocol for life is not a life.
If I compare this life to my life before PFS is this shit. Because I say no to all kind of fun with my friends and i really hate that....
And when you stay on that protocol for life then you have to say no the rest of your life.

[Swill]

Excatly this kind of messages is not good I think.
Because its not a better life without alcohol and all kind of food, that's a BIG part of having fun with friends and I hope you know that!
I have following the protocol for almost 2 months now, and yes I improve and yes I can feel it's good for my body! But come on? Stay on the protocol for life is not a life.
If I compare this life to my life before PFS is this shit. Because I say no to all kind of fun with my friends and i really hate that....
And when you stay on that protocol for life then you have to say no the rest of your life.

For fucks sake mate... same shit all the time with you. We are not in the business about wallowing in self pity about how 'fucked' we are and how shit life is on this forum, there are other forums like that if you need to get your fix. This is a positive environment.

And CD has said it previously but let me make this clear as I understand English is not your first language. You do NOT have to stay on the protocol forever. When you are healed then you can drink. CD has said he does drink occasionally. The point he is making is that you will want to keep up a lot of the healthy stuff that makes you feel great ongoing... the exercise, the eating well, the herb rotation and maybe even the pro hormones because they make you feel amazing and a better version of yourself.

For clarity, you can't drink when you are recovering. When you're better, you absolutely can. But when you feel and look as good as you do after this regime after carrying it out properly, you will WANT to keep doing the basis of this protocol for the rest of your life.

[CannonBalls]

So tomorrow is the most important day of my life, the day i get my health back!

I have ten days off work and start my juice feast tomorrow morning...

I have some more questions about how to use the supps which I will ask once I have the full set

You got this man, congrats taking the first step!

[PeterA]

For fucks sake mate... same shit all the time with you. We are not in the business about wallowing in self pity about how 'fucked' we are and how shit life is on this forum, there are other forums like that if you need to get your fix. This is a positive environment.

And CD has said it previously but let me make this clear as I understand English is not your first language. You do NOT have to stay on the protocol forever. When you are healed then you can drink. CD has said he does drink occasionally. The point he is making is that you will want to keep up a lot of the healthy stuff that makes you feel great ongoing... the exercise, the eating well, the herb rotation and maybe even the pro hormones because they make you feel amazing and a better version of yourself.

For clarity, you can't drink when you are recovering. When you're better, you absolutely can. But when you feel and look as good as you do after this regime after carrying it out properly, you will WANT to keep doing the basis of this protocol for the rest of your life.

I know that!
But it feels like it will take many years, and that is many years i never get back from my "young life".

[Swill]

I know that!
But it feels like it will take many years, and that is many years i never get back from my "young life".

That may very well be the case. It could take months, it could take a year, it could take a few years. There's fuck all you can do about that unfortunately.

You can either dwell on it and let it drag you down, or you can face it head on and attack it...it is what it is regardless and the only thing you control is how you allow yourself to feel and react.

One thing is certain though, you won't heal and drag yourself out of this while you continue to mentally torture yourself about what you're 'missing out' on. Channel things positively, and you will be back where you want to be sooo much quicker, and a stronger person as a result.

[daniel1286]

Quick Q

Can I have bananas and almond milk in my juice smoothies as I cant see them on the list on the website?

Thanks in advancd

[Snell1234]

Almond milk no. Bananas yes.

[Benq123]

Juices and smoothies are 2 different things though. You want to juice not just blend.
Bananas won't get you much juice since they are fairly low in water compared to other fruits and veg.

[daniel1286]

Im using a blender

And putting in kale spinach almond milk banana celeary carrot blueberries cucumber

Is this correct no?

[Benq123]

Im using a blender

And putting in kale spinach almond milk banana celeary carrot blueberries cucumber

Is this correct no?

Are you drinking it after blending? If so that's wrong, the drink still contains all the fibre. You want to make it into a juice not a smoothie, you can still do this with a blender as mentioned on the site.

"Once the whole blender is full and blended with all of your ingredients, get yourself a nutmilk bag and some type of container. Pour the contents of the blender into the nutmilk bag while your holding it over the bucket. Tie off the bag, and start squeezing."

Juice Feasting | (http://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/the-journey/juice-feasting/)

[daniel1286]

Im using a nutri bullet sorry and I assumed as it turns it to juice this was ok

It cuts it so fine it is a juice no?

[Benq123]

Im using a nutri bullet sorry and I assumed as it turns it to juice this was ok

It cuts it so fine it is a juice no?

It still contains all the fiber so its technically a smoothie, not a juice.

[Durantia37]

No, none if that is correct. Almond milk isn't juice, and smoothies aren't juice. Follow the instructions on the website. It's pretty simple dude...you get fruits and vegetables, and drink the juice from them..that's what juicing means.

[daniel1286]

my bad looks like ive fucked up day 1. I need to find somewhere to get a nut milk bag then

[daniel1286]

Can i drink coffee during this fast and also organic 100 percent apple or orange juice?

[Maxout777]

Can i drink coffee during this fast and also organic 100 percent apple or orange juice?

No. Just drink the juice you produce from the blender and the nut milk bag. When it comes to juice feasting, keep it simple.

[Durantia37]

Get 2 or 3 of them. Sometimes they rip when you squeeze them. They're super inexpensive.

[K8668B]

definitely get 2 or 3 of them. (the nutmilk bags). theyre cheap too. i went through the same thing... my first day, a few months ago, i misinterpreted juicing as just "smoothies". this defeats the whole purpose. you just want juice only. fresh squeezed pure liquid juice. the point of this is to make sure to not activate the digestive system. therefore giving it a chance to rest and cleanse. im heading to a local organic market, 18 miles down the road from me, to pick up a few more. ive done a 7 day juice feast in the past, but this time im coming back for a 14 day juice feast. you might end up loving it. theyre great. once u get past the detoxing phase, youll feel awesome. which was on day 3 for me. good luck bro!

[daniel1286]

Ok I can not get a nut mik bag until tuesday so I have had to improvise

Ive bought some tights from supermarket and im using these as a sieve until wednesday

[Durantia37]

Ok I can not get a nut mik bag until tuesday so I have had to improvise

Ive bought some tights from supermarket and im using these as a sieve until wednesday

Lol

[Cdsnuts]

Excatly this kind of messages is not good I think.
Because its not a better life without alcohol and all kind of food, that's a BIG part of having fun with friends and I hope you know that!
I have following the protocol for almost 2 months now, and yes I improve and yes I can feel it's good for my body! But come on? Stay on the protocol for life is not a life.
If I compare this life to my life before PFS is this shit. Because I say no to all kind of fun with my friends and i really hate that....
And when you stay on that protocol for life then you have to say no the rest of your life.

Not good for who? You?

These messages are nothing but the TRUTH. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. I'm not here to make sure you're happy or you like it.....that doesn't concern me in the least bit.

These messages are gold to people who want to do what ever is necessary to recover. That's it.

I don't think you really understand what this is you have here. You have the answer to your problems.

And to your comment..."I hope you know that." I was the biggest partier I knew. I did everything all the time whenever I wanted. Giving up these crutches, aside from the PFS, was one of the hardest things I had to do to get this thing to work undeniably. The same will happen for you if you can get your head in the right place. For now though, it doesn't seem to be there. You're still whining about how long it's going to take despite repeated messages from other forum members telling you the sooner you give up those things the sooner you'll recover.

I still don't understand why you continue to bring this up. What is your point in doing that?

[Maxout777]

Not good for who? You?

These messages are nothing but the TRUTH. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. I'm not here to make sure you're happy or you like it.....that doesn't concern me in the least bit.

These messages are gold to people who want to do what ever is necessary to recover. That's it.

I don't think you really understand what this is you have here. You have the answer to your problems.

And to your comment..."I hope you know that." I was the biggest partier I knew. I did everything all the time whenever I wanted. Giving up these crutches, aside from the PFS, was one of the hardest things I had to do to get this thing to work undeniably. The same will happen for you if you can get your head in the right place. For now though, it doesn't seem to be there. You're still whining about how long it's going to take despite repeated messages from other forum members telling you the sooner you give up those things the sooner you'll recover.

I still don't understand why you continue to bring this up. What is your point in doing that?

I'm sure like most, he's waiting for us to say, JK - you can drink only on the weekends.....

As if we're trying to keep people from having fun over in these parts, as opposed to getting them back to the point where they can have fun again....

[Cdsnuts]

I'm sure like most, he's waiting for us to say, JK - you can drink only on the weekends.....

As if we're trying to keep people from having fun over in these parts, as opposed to getting them back to the point where they can have fun again....

It doesn't make sense to me.

If you go to the Doctor because you have cancer and he puts you on chemotherapy (which is complete bullshit and poison, but that is a whole other conversation in and of it self) would he still be whining to the doctor about how chemo isn't fun and he can't go out and drink with his friends?

These things are NOT fun. They are not supposed to be. But what is less fun....having a dick that doesn't work and can't satisfy a woman, or taking it on the chin like a man (no pun intended) for as long as necessary..maybe a couple months to a year or so so that you can satisfy one again?

It's all choice. You either do what is necessary so that you can be whole again or you don't, and you suffer needlessly for your entire life.

For me it was an easy choice. Actually, it wasn't a choice at all. It was what NEEDED to be done. Without question, imo.

[Maxout777]

It doesn't make sense to me.

If you go to the Doctor because you have cancer and he puts you on chemotherapy (which is complete bullshit and poison, but that is a whole other conversation in and of it self) would he still be whining to the doctor about how chemo isn't fun and he can't go out and drink with his friends?

These things are NOT fun. They are not supposed to be. But what is less fun....having a dick that doesn't work and can't satisfy a woman, or taking it on the chin like a man (no pun intended) for as long as necessary..maybe a couple months to a year or so so that you can satisfy one again?

It's all choice. You either do what is necessary so that you can be whole again or you don't, and you suffer needlessly for your entire life.

For me it was an easy choice. Actually, it wasn't a choice at all. It was what NEEDED to be done. Without question, imo.

Like anything else in life, it has to be important enough....that's why we're all not millionaires, and why we're all not in shape. Priorities.

I guess drinking with your friends in the crux of life itself.

[PeterA]

Not good for who? You?


These messages are nothing but the TRUTH. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. I'm not here to make sure you're happy or you like it.....that doesn't concern me in the least bit.

These messages are gold to people who want to do what ever is necessary to recover. That's it.

I don't think you really understand what this is you have here. You have the answer to your problems.

And to your comment..."I hope you know that." I was the biggest partier I knew. I did everything all the time whenever I wanted. Giving up these crutches, aside from the PFS, was one of the hardest things I had to do to get this thing to work undeniably. The same will happen for you if you can get your head in the right place. For now though, it doesn't seem to be there. You're still whining about how long it's going to take despite repeated messages from other forum members telling you the sooner you give up those things the sooner you'll recover.

I still don't understand why you continue to bring this up. What is your point in doing that?

Because "Simply STAY on the protocol forever" FOREVER???? Thats not simply and thats not recovered, not at all!

[Cdsnuts]

Because "Simply STAY on the protocol forever" FOREVER???? Thats not simply and thats not recovered, not at all!

You don't know what you're talking about....at all.

[The battler]

Leave him CD. Looks like a troll to me tbf.

[PeterA]

You don't know what you're talking about....at all.

Nice argument!
No seriously - forever? Then you are not recovered?

[Cdsnuts]

Nice argument!
No seriously - forever? Then you are not recovered?

Now I know he's a troll.

I'm not here to argue, as I've said plenty of times before. It appears you ARE here to do that.

I'm here to help those who want to follow the protocol do it in a way that is safe and efficient. I'm WAY over the argument phase, although I do get sucked in once in awhile, unfortunately. You don't want to do it, don't. It really is that simple! Amazing, isn't it?

We have already said more times than I can count that you don't have to stay on the protocol forever. It appears you don't learn things to well. It's either that or the language barrier. But when I said stay on forever it was in the context of forgetting there is a timeline, that's it. Healing comes quicker to those who don't wait for it.

[PeterA]

Now I know he's a troll.

I'm not here to argue, as I've said plenty of times before. It appears you ARE here to do that.

I'm here to help those who want to follow the protocol do it in a way that is safe and efficient. I'm WAY over the argument phase. You don't want to do it, don't. It really is that simple! Amazing, isn't it?

We have already said more times than I can count that you don't have to stay on the protocol forever. It appears you don't learn things to well. It's either that or the language barrier. But when I said stay on forever it was in the context of forgetting there is a timeline, that's it. Healing comes quicker to those who don't wait for it.

A troll?? Are you seruious?
Im not juice feast 14 day because its nice!
Im not eat eggs, chicken, rice, vegetables, tomato mackerel in can and only drink water and milk because its nice.
Come on, do you think i spend the time here just for fun??

[daniel1286]

day 3 major headaches occurinng, but Ive noticed my swollen basketball shape stomach is less inflamed and enlarged

7 days until Paleo!

[Maxout777]

A troll?? Are you seruious?
Im not juice feast 14 day because its nice!
Im not eat eggs, chicken, rice, vegetables, tomato mackerel in can and only drink water and milk because its nice.
Come on, do you think i spend the time here just for fun??
I said I wouldn't answer again but I can't resist.

Personally, I think you just enjoy asking stupid questions to play devil's advocate so you can drop this and say "oh that won't cure me". I literally told you I drank in one of my replies. No issue. Just a hangover next day. If I eat a gluten filled pizza, my dick doesn't fall off. If I smoke dope, my testicles don't decay. If I drink a cola, my dick doesn't undergo fibrosis again and twist.....so on and so forth. Now read all the statements I just made and realize how ridiculous and stupid they all are......these are responses to the kind of questions your asking.

I imagine I could drop the herbs and no issue either other than not being at optimal health. Keep in mind this is marketed as health optimization, not a cure for PFS. It just so happens to do both. That, and I spent a good sum of money on herbs so I'm not just going to throw them away.

YOU WILL BE BACK TO NORMAL ONE DAY AND CAN QUIT EVERYTHING WE SAY AND STAY "NORMAL" (besides the effects of aging, which the protocol fights). How many times do you need to hear that?

[Cdsnuts]

I said I wouldn't answer again but I can't resist.

Personally, I think you just enjoy asking stupid questions to play devil's advocate so you can drop this and say "oh that won't cure me". I literally told you I drank in one of my replies. No issue. Just a hangover next day. If I eat a gluten filled pizza, my dick doesn't fall off. If I smoke dope, my testicles don't decay. If I drink a cola, my dick doesn't undergo fibrosis again and twist.....so on and so forth. Now read all the statements I just made and realize how ridiculous and stupid they all are......these are responses to the kind of questions your asking.

I imagine I could drop the herbs and no issue either other than not being at optimal health. Keep in mind this is marketed as health optimization, not a cure for PFS. It just so happens to do both. That, and I spent a good sum of money on herbs so I'm not just going to throw them away.

YOU WILL BE BACK TO NORMAL ONE DAY AND CAN QUIT EVERYTHING WE SAY AND STAY "NORMAL" (besides the effects of aging, which the protocol fights). How many times do you need to hear that?

I'm going to play devils advocate here and say it's a bit of both....dumb questions AND a language barrier. As stupid as these repetitive questions are, I can't imagine having to get all of this information in a different language while PFS'ed. That being said, I do tend to give people more leeway then I should....personality flaw on my part.

[Cdsnuts]

day 3 major headaches occurinng, but Ive noticed my swollen basketball shape stomach is less inflamed and enlarged

7 days until Paleo!

You probably know this, but nothing to be alarmed about. This is one of the most common side effects of detox. Increase your water intake if you can. Go on for as long as you can.

[Swill]

day 3 major headaches occurinng, but Ive noticed my swollen basketball shape stomach is less inflamed and enlarged

7 days until Paleo!

Keep it going man, thats the detox and its a good thing... push through. As CD said, given the pharmaceuticals you've been on, the longer you can keep going the better. I assume you are off the pharma entirely now yes?

[daniel1286]

I am weaning off testogel 50mg every other day, and citrolopiam 10mg every other day until I can completely come off

Guy I keep getting a sharp shooting feeling in my liver why is this?

Also swill your shape looks awesome in your picture did you ever get fat because of this illness or bad shape?

[Maxout777]

I am weaning off testogel 50mg every other day, and citrolopiam 10mg every other day until I can completely come off

Guy I keep getting a sharp shooting feeling in my liver why is this?

Also swill your shape looks awesome in your picture did you ever get fat because of this illness or bad shape?
You're feasting while on TRT still?

[daniel1286]

Yes I didnt want to just drop it out overnight, that wont effect the feast no as that is to reset and cleanse digestive system?

[daniel1286]

Yes I didnt want to drop it out overnight, and assumed the cleanse was to reset the digestive system no?

[Maxout777]

Yes I didnt want to drop it out overnight, and assumed the cleanse was to reset the digestive system no?
I can see why you wouldn't want to drop TRT overnight, but I would've waited until after to cleanse. The cleanse focuses on much more than just the digestive system.

Just my .02 though.

[Swill]

I am weaning off testogel 50mg every other day, and citrolopiam 10mg every other day until I can completely come off

Guy I keep getting a sharp shooting feeling in my liver why is this?

Also swill your shape looks awesome in your picture did you ever get fat because of this illness or bad shape?

Thank you for the compliment. That picture was actually taken around 6/8 weeks after I had completed a water fast, it shows how receptive your body is to good stuff once you have cleansed and primed to go. The fact I had water fasted for 2 weeks and was down to 140 lbs from it shows the resilience of your body.

I wouldn't say I got fat from this, as I had been very athletic and into sports all my life (used to play soccer at youth level for a premier league club) and I tried to push through and train as much as possible after crashing, just as I always had and it was a release... it was kinda somewhere i could go and forget about this shit for one hour of the day, and force myself to interact and keep 'normal'. I certainly did lose some muscle mass and get 'podgy' around the belly area though, and lost a lot of strength. I could 'feel' that my hormones weren't firing at that time for the first time in my life. But I was lucky I was in decent shape before this though, despite a pretty crappy diet.

And you probably really don't want to hear this man, but I'm in agreement with Maxout, you'd want to have been off the pharmaceuticals altogether before beginning your cleanse, because part of the cleanse is ridding the residual pharma compounds from your body.

[daniel1286]

Thanks Swill, I also played football at semi pro until 5 years ago when this shit destroyed me

I get your point re pharmas but ill keep going until monday and then jump into paleo

I may then revisit the juice cleanse again at some point soon

Do you have any supplements/herbs which are absolutely vital to you?

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks Swill, I also played football at semi pro until 5 years ago when this shit destroyed me

I get your point re pharmas but ill keep going until monday and then jump into paleo

I may then revisit the juice cleanse again at some point soon

Do you have any supplements/herbs which are absolutely vital to you?

NO PHARMS while feasting/fasting.

I believe this was covered several times.

You're just ripping yourself off man. Seriously.

This works by following what has been laid out for you 100%. That is NOT what is happening here.

[daniel1286]

Onto paleo day 3 now and doing ok-ish......but the fatigue is just unbearable especially when waking and in the afternoon. I literally have to battle to keep my eyelids open

Should I be consuming coffee? As I suspect my adrenals are fucked up

I have also been diagnosed with high uric acid / gout this week though I know thats not of much interest to this board

Doing my best to hold it together and keep going

[Cdsnuts]

Onto paleo day 3 now and doing ok-ish......but the fatigue is just unbearable especially when waking and in the afternoon. I literally have to battle to keep my eyelids open

Should I be consuming coffee? As I suspect my adrenals are fucked up

I have also been diagnosed with high uric acid / gout this week though I know thats not of much interest to this board

Doing my best to hold it together and keep going

The feast should have cleared the acidity from your system, no doubt. You sure you weren't taking any pharms or anything that you shouldn't be?

[daniel1286]

The high uric acid was diagnosed before the juice feast I should add....

Ive added the herbs now and really trying with all I have...

In back of my mind is this nagging feeling my liver is fucked

But the show must go on, this protocol is all I have right now!

[Swill]

I believe he said he was on TRT during feast.

[Cdsnuts]

I don't think you understand what the basis of the cleanse is. You need to detox off of EVERYTHING, for the cleanse to be successful. There is NO WAY you should have had high uric acid after a juice feast. The process of the cleanse completely alkalizes your body there by eliminating acid build up. It is scientifically and naturally IMPOSSIBLE for you to have high uric acid after a juice feast....impossible.

You need to go back, and redo the cleanse for the best results.

You're already not follow protocol as best you can. You're NOT going to get the best results.

[daniel1286]

Yes im still on trt every other day weening off slowly until next week

Im noticing blood in the bottom of the pan, is this just because of more bowel movement now because of the feast?

[Cdsnuts]

Yes im still on trt every other day weening off slowly until next week

Im noticing blood in the bottom of the pan, is this just because of more bowel movement now because of the feast?

Then I wouldn't start the juice feast until you are off ALL PHARMS.

Why do I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over again?

[daniel1286]

I hear all what your saying and I understand loud and clear

But I cannot just move past the fatigue I am suffering its killing me, trying to hold down a job and I wake up first thing so so so tired and weak

[Cdsnuts]

I hear all what your saying and I understand loud and clear

But I cannot just move past the fatigue I am suffering its killing me, trying to hold down a job and I wake up first thing so so so tired and weak

Yes, and I understand, but you're here to heal. The only way you're going to be able to move forward is by following this advice. Otherwise, you're just wasting your time.

[daniel1286]

Believe me Im given it every ounce of strength I have, Im a driven person I own multiple properties and have a very prestigious job its in my dna to strive to be the best i can

But I now honestly believe I have liver disease

The show must go on and I will keep going