Jacknap's Road To Vitality

[Pageidol]

Haha I thought that too when i read it 🤪

[jacknap]

lol I don't really masturbate that often tho. maybe once a week or every other haha

might be from excessive swiping on bumble tho hmm...

[jacknap]

did 15 grams of ashwagandha powder and that helped knock me out. So at least now I have two things that work. I think alibizia works for me too.

the ziziphus works for REM but not for anything else for me. Passionflower I don't think does jack. Kava seems to work but might have to up the dose.

[Cdsnuts]

did 15 grams of ashwagandha powder and that helped knock me out. So at least now I have two things that work. I think alibizia works for me too.

the ziziphus works for REM but not for anything else for me. Passionflower I don't think does jack. Kava seems to work but might have to up the dose.

Albizia works, but you got to choke down two TBSP's and it taste rough....but it definitely knocks you out.

[jacknap]

Albizia works, but you got to choke down two TBSP's and it taste rough....but it definitely knocks you out.

I use 15 grams alibizia. definitely works. ziziphus doesn't make me sleep deeper but does increase REM. used it last night and had an hour long morning wood!

upswing.

i was listening to ben greenfield podcast and he was saying that men actually get two testosterone pulses a month and I notice this a lot with pfs. my downswings are typically 2 weeks and upswings 2 weeks and each upswing is a little bit better. This one just started and my libido this morning was like pre-pfs.

[Cdsnuts]

I use 15 grams alibizia. definitely works. ziziphus doesn't make me sleep deeper but does increase REM. used it last night and had an hour long morning wood!

upswing.

i was listening to ben greenfield podcast and he was saying that men actually get two testosterone pulses a month and I notice this a lot with pfs. my downswings are typically 2 weeks and upswings 2 weeks and each upswing is a little bit better. This one just started and my libido this morning was like pre-pfs.

That's a great sign my man. Little by little....Pretty soon you'll be ready to write the adventures of Jacknap.....and, um...asking for a friend.....which app do you prefer and why....Bumble or Tinder?

[Durantia37]

That's a great sign my man. Little by little....Pretty soon you'll be ready to write the adventures of Jacknap.....and, um...asking for a friend.....which app do you prefer and why....Bumble or Tinder?

Why not just use both? Tinder is better for quantity, bumble for quality. Imo.

[jacknap]

That's a great sign my man. Little by little....Pretty soon you'll be ready to write the adventures of Jacknap.....and, um...asking for a friend.....which app do you prefer and why....Bumble or Tinder?

might as well both it doesn't take much time. I prefer tinder though because more people are on it. From most of my experience most of that shit is a numbers game and people are constantly trying to cut angles 'working smarter'

[Cdsnuts]

might as well both it doesn't take much time. I prefer tinder though because more people are on it. From most of my experience most of that shit is a numbers game and people are constantly trying to cut angles 'working smarter'

One of my boys was telling me that one of the apps the girls have to "like" you first, where as the other (not sure which is which) you just swipe whatever chick you want to get with.

This conversation for you is probably like what I feel like when I'm trying to explain how to use a smart phone to my parents....lol

[Cdsnuts]

tinder and bumble both create matches but the girl has to message first on bumble. I prefer bumble because it's more likely to actually go somewhere, hotter girls I find tooI guess I'll just have to try both...

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[jacknap]

it's really simple man. you're a smart guy i'm pretty sure if 18 year old bimbos can figure it out, you can lol. Surprised you haven't hopped on it yet. You can just spam the green heart button while you're working or something lol.

Sleep pretty pre-pfs with the help of sleep herbs today :D ziziphus+skullcap combo worked really nice. ziziphus gives me more rem and skullcap staves off the frequent wakes.

[bizzbee]

Which brand of ziziphus do you use?


it's really simple man. you're a smart guy i'm pretty sure if 18 year old bimbos can figure it out, you can lol. Surprised you haven't hopped on it yet. You can just spam the green heart button while you're working or something lol.

Sleep pretty pre-pfs with the help of sleep herbs today :D ziziphus+skullcap combo worked really nice. ziziphus gives me more rem and skullcap staves off the frequent wakes.

[Cdsnuts]

it's really simple man. you're a smart guy i'm pretty sure if 18 year old bimbos can figure it out, you can lol. Surprised you haven't hopped on it yet. You can just spam the green heart button while you're working or something lol.

Sleep pretty pre-pfs with the help of sleep herbs today :D ziziphus+skullcap combo worked really nice. ziziphus gives me more rem and skullcap staves off the frequent wakes.

Lol

[jacknap]

Which brand of ziziphus do you use?

lost empire of course lol.

[jacknap]

had 4 shots of vodka mixed with oj last night. used nac before bed. I feel fine and was also able to fuck this pretty sexy girl after the wedding after the vodka too.

overall i'm in an upswing so about 90% overall (while on the protocol though with supplements and everything would probably be lower off protocol

sleep 90% right now but it gets back during downswings. Now i'll just wake up once to pee than quickly fall back asleep or i miss that last stage of rem sleep some days now I actually sleep the way i used to though.

physically 95% though this wasnt a huuuge issue. still get some facial puffiness as I say that I think is more than just weight put on.

sexually 70%. I don't respond to porn as much as I used to. before the mere thought that i was gunna click on youporn i'd get a boner. now it takes like 2-3 mins to get into it (though I barely watch while on protocol). sexually I haven't had full erectile function in 3-4 months. just multiple rounds is hard but i'm having sex very close to as often as much as I used too. This is definitely the weakest recovery point though. sometimes it's very numb down there too. I get spontaneous erections and morning wood like 50% of days though :) my libido was extremely high before pfs though so I think it's actually equivalent to a normal mans now but not normal for me so still striving. My libido is a big part of identity and I drives me in other parts of life too.

mentally 97%. I'd say 100% but sometimes not as sharp mentally when my sleep also goes down. I'd say my ambition is also a bit lower in a way and also a bit of laziness but I think that might be more my life situation more than pfs.

I'm probably gunna get a downswing like a week or two as that's the way it seems to go for me.

Ordered 4 andro and r-andro and gunna hit cycle in july so looking forward to that as it's a new combo for me and it's what brought maxout's libido back which is pretty much my last huge symptom.

[Cdsnuts]

lost empire of course lol.

Of course.....only the best!

[Maxout777]

All this talk about dating apps makes me miss my dating days. Shame, shame...

I think Tinder was just coming around before I met my wife...

[jacknap]

All this talk about dating apps makes me miss my dating days. Shame, shame...

I think Tinder was just coming around before I met my wife...

I actually hate tinder because if you find one loophole in the system it's feast and if not famine. whereas before internet dating you get equal to the work you put in...

[Cdsnuts]

I actually hate tinder because if you find one loophole in the system it's feast and if not famine. whereas before internet dating you get equal to the work you put in...

Okay....I had a long day of work, but I don't think I get this? Care to elaborate?

[Durantia37]

Okay....I had a long day of work, but I don't think I get this? Care to elaborate?

I didn't get that either. Lol.

[jacknap]

basically technology makes women's hypergamy exponential. eg) 1000 women all being attracted to the same one guy.

before technology it was more like 20% of guys got 80% of the attention. with techonlogy now it's 1% of guys getting 80% of attention (or worse)

similar with wealth now because of technology. middle class is eroding and the mega rich are becoming mega richer.

[Cdsnuts]

basically technology makes women's hypergamy exponential. eg) 1000 women all being attracted to the same one guy.

before technology it was more like 20% of guys got 80% of the attention. with techonlogy now it's 1% of guys getting 80% of attention (or worse)

similar with wealth now because of technology. middle class is eroding and the mega rich are becoming mega richer.

So in regards to your feast or famine anology, sometimes you're that guy, other times not, depending who is circulating around online?

Dude...I'm telling you. You should get into the pick up game in regards to marketing. Start it off as a side venture. I can tell you most guys here are probably like damn...." he get's laid ........alot." PFS be damned....

I'm going to play around with these apps, but imo, it's still the best to have the skill set to pick up women naturally, ESPECIALLY because of the way technology is.

[DrivenToRecover]

basically technology makes women's hypergamy exponential. eg) 1000 women all being attracted to the same one guy.

before technology it was more like 20% of guys got 80% of the attention. with techonlogy now it's 1% of guys getting 80% of attention (or worse)

similar with wealth now because of technology. middle class is eroding and the mega rich are becoming mega richer.

I have to somewhat disagree...Tinder is a numbers game. The internet allows you to copy and paste the same message dozens of times over and over until a girl responds positively to it.

It's like you went to a bar and introduced yourself to every woman there instantly...except with tinder you've already isolated a group that's dtf. Getting laid has never been easier.

Your tinder pictures/bio should indicate that:

1) You are a normal member of society
2) You have friends
3) You are in shape
4) You can dress nicely
5) You have a sense of humor
6) A picture that shows you have interesting life experiences/hobbies (ie you surfing, or a picture of you in a different country)

[Maxout777]

I have to somewhat disagree...Tinder is a numbers game. The internet allows you to copy and paste the same message dozens of times over and over until a girl responds positively to it.

It's like you went to a bar and introduced yourself to every woman there instantly...except with tinder you've already isolated a group that's dtf. Getting laid has never been easier.

Your tinder pictures/bio should indicate that:

1) You are a normal member of society
2) You have friends
3) You are in shape
4) You can dress nicely
5) You have a sense of humor
6) A picture that shows you have interesting life experiences/hobbies (ie you surfing, or a picture of you in a different country)

For what it's worth, this is exactly how I feel. Instant options that have basically admitted they are down to get down, so to say.

[DrivenToRecover]

All that said, I admit I have been the guy that girls usually like physically. 1556

[jacknap]

So in regards to your feast or famine anology, sometimes you're that guy, other times not, depending who is circulating around online?

Dude...I'm telling you. You should get into the pick up game in regards to marketing. Start it off as a side venture. I can tell you most guys here are probably like damn...." he get's laid ........alot." PFS be damned....

I'm going to play around with these apps, but imo, it's still the best to have the skill set to pick up women naturally, ESPECIALLY because of the way technology is.

I've experimented with it and I think the reason why it hasn't / won't work out is. I'm decent looking so people will attribute it to that / I don't really do anything different than what the current instructors do so it's not like I have a unique selling proposition.

and Driven i'm not surprised because most pfs tend to be on the better looking scale. hence we panic and hop on dangerous dht lowering drugs so we can preserve our looks.

[DrivenToRecover]

I've experimented with it and I think the reason why it hasn't / won't work out is. I'm decent looking so people will attribute it to that / I don't really do anything different than what the current instructors do so it's not like I have a unique selling proposition.

and Driven i'm not surprised because most pfs tend to be on the better looking scale. hence we panic and hop on dangerous dht lowering drugs so we can preserve our looks.

Yeah I've wondered if that also has something to do with higher DHT levels predisposing you to pfs symptoms.

Masculine jaw, thick facial/body hair, lean, vascular, mpb, high strength to weight ratio...all these are me to a T, and I've seen the same from a lot of you guys here.

[Cdsnuts]

I'm digging this convo.

Driven....I can't even see where your hair was falling out or why you'd even need propecia.

Now I'm even more curious to see what this is all about. I guess it's time to make a profile.

[DrivenToRecover]

I'm digging this convo.

Driven....I can't even see where your hair was falling out or why you'd even need propecia.

Now I'm even more curious to see what this is all about. I guess it's time to make a profile.

Yeah I thought I was getting on top of things by taking it early lol. But I'm a diffuse thinner with longer hair so it doesn't really show in a picture.

For sure friend! What kinda lady you lookin for?

[Cdsnuts]

Yeah I thought I was getting on top of things by taking it early lol. But I'm a diffuse thinner with longer hair so it doesn't really show in a picture.

For sure friend! What kinda lady you lookin for?

Now that I'm single.....one that's DTF....lol. I'm going to have fun for a little while. I've been in a relationship for the past six years, so it's time to blow off a little steam...or alot of steam...either way.

I don't want to blow up Jacknaps thread though. We kind of took a turn here!

Looking like the gym is paying off btw way man.

[DrivenToRecover]

Now that I'm single.....one that's DTF....lol. I'm going to have fun for a little while. I've been in a relationship for the past six years, so it's time to blow off a little steam...or alot of steam...either way.

I don't want to blow up Jacknaps thread though. We kind of took a turn here!

Looking like the gym is paying off btw way man.

I appreciate the kind words. My muscle gain has been slow with IBD. I'm 6'2 170 at this point and I've worked my ass off to get there from 150 a few years back.

Started Creatine HCL this week, and I'm very hopeful it will help me put on weight. I'm a weird mixture of looking muscular and emaciated at the same time lol


I'm not sure if tinder is as popular with girls outside college age. I know plenty of fish is more popular with the mature crowd

[Cdsnuts]

I appreciate the kind words. My muscle gain has been slow with IBD. I'm 6'2 170 at this point and I've worked my ass off to get there from 150 a few years back.

Started Creatine HCL this week, and I'm very hopeful it will help me put on weight. I'm a weird mixture of looking muscular and emaciated at the same time lol


I'm not sure if tinder is as popular with girls outside college age. I know plenty of fish is more popular with the mature crowd

I'm going to have some fun and get on a bunch of different ones... Why not

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[jacknap]

Yeah I've wondered if that also has something to do with higher DHT levels predisposing you to pfs symptoms.

Masculine jaw, thick facial/body hair, lean, vascular, mpb, high strength to weight ratio...all these are me to a T, and I've seen the same from a lot of you guys here.

yup that describes me too.

woke up with very nice libido today and very deep sleep. I'm in an upswing but 90%+ right now. just got my r andro and 4 andro in the mail. cycle in 2 weeks... this might be the won that full recovers me if i'm lucky :D

ziziphus powder + skullcap tincture is such an amazing combo for me for anabolic sleep. rivals phenibut.
Cdsnuts testament to the positivity of this forum that we're talking about strategy with the ladies on a pfs forum haha

[Fausto Soares]

yup that describes me too.

woke up with very nice libido today and very deep sleep. I'm in an upswing but 90%+ right now. just got my r andro and 4 andro in the mail. cycle in 2 weeks... this might be the won that full recovers me if i'm lucky :D

ziziphus powder + skullcap tincture is such an amazing combo for me for anabolic sleep. rivals phenibut.
Cdsnuts testament to the positivity of this forum that we're talking about strategy with the ladies on a pfs forum haha

Hi bro,

What about depression on R-Andro cycle, is happening with you?

[jacknap]

Hi bro,

What about depression on R-Andro cycle, is happening with you?

I'm about to start my third one so it was like almost 2 months ago last cycle. I do think I was more moody on andro tho yes but the sleep and libido benefits for me outweighed the moodiness.

[Fausto Soares]

I'm about to start my third one so it was like almost 2 months ago last cycle. I do think I was more moody on andro tho yes but the sleep and libido benefits for me outweighed the moodiness.

Good! The libido benefits are really nice, sadly i dont get to cycle it as it should be due depression department, to not lose my bottles (more than 10), i will fit it on herbs cycle for some day(s).

[Cdsnuts]

Good! The libido benefits are really nice, sadly i dont get to cycle it as it should be due depression department, to not lose my bottles (more than 10), i will fit it on herbs cycle for some day(s).

Try adding in Potassium chloride. 500mg/day. See if that helps. You may be pleasantly surprised.

I'm running the real deal this summer, but it's going to be the last time. I'm lucky I even got to take this ride. Next time I run R andro, I'm going to add in the Potassium. A couple guys that are doing this are having great runs. Maxout being one of them.

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yup that describes me too.

woke up with very nice libido today and very deep sleep. I'm in an upswing but 90%+ right now. just got my r andro and 4 andro in the mail. cycle in 2 weeks... this might be the won that full recovers me if i'm lucky :D

ziziphus powder + skullcap tincture is such an amazing combo for me for anabolic sleep. rivals phenibut.
Cdsnuts testament to the positivity of this forum that we're talking about strategy with the ladies on a pfs forum haha

Lol. True. I didn't even think about it that way. All I know, is you got game my friend. I've never had trouble with the ladies, but you pull em left and right. That being said, I was always more of the relationship type. I'm going to try it the other way for the next year or so and see how it goes.

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Yeah I've wondered if that also has something to do with higher DHT levels predisposing you to pfs symptoms.

Masculine jaw, thick facial/body hair, lean, vascular, mpb, high strength to weight ratio...all these are me to a T, and I've seen the same from a lot of you guys here.

The only one of these that ISN'T me is the thick facial and body hair. People ask me all the time if I shave my body. But all the other ones fit perfectly.

[Fausto Soares]

Try adding in Potassium chloride. 500mg/day. See if that helps. You may be pleasantly surprised.

I'm running the real deal this summer, but it's going to be the last time. I'm lucky I even got to take this ride. Next time I run R andro, I'm going to add in the Potassium. A couple guys that are doing this are having great runs. Maxout being one of them.

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Lol. True. I didn't even think about it that way. All I know, is you got game my friend. I've never had trouble with the ladies, but you pull em left and right. That being said, I was always more of the relationship type. I'm going to try it the other way for the next year or so and see how it goes.

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The only one of these that ISN'T me is the thick facial and body hair. People ask me all the time if I shave my body. But all the other ones fit perfectly.

I will consider it!

[Pageidol]

hows the sleep coming jacknap?

[jacknap]

hows the sleep coming jacknap?

comes and goes. last night as good the night before was shitty. it depends which sleep herbs i'm taking some work for me better than others and also if i'm up/swing down swing.

[Cdsnuts]

comes and goes. last night as good the night before was shitty. it depends which sleep herbs i'm taking some work for me better than others and also if i'm up/swing down swing.

Do you cycle your sleep herbs too?

[jacknap]

Do you cycle your sleep herbs too?


yes I do

[jacknap]

update. soreness feels almost gone today and was able to have sex almost no problem. libido also in an upswing and dare I say pre-pfs? The numbness sometimes fluctuates so I doubt I'm on the other side yet but I'm definitely close. I can do multiple rounds in a night again :)!!!

[RickTheRuler]

You deserve it all man. you put in the work through however you were feeling. Simple as that.

Enjoy your recovery , & don’t stop protocol, ever.

[Fausto Soares]

Some supplements are you using, Jacknap? If so, what are?

[jacknap]

3rd day pct. or so feel decent mentally but libido a bit down.

thing i found interesting I was reading is how everyone has a different optimum hours.

for me my magic hours I think 1:30pm-430pm so do hardest tasks then.

had two grandes of coffee and macked chicks in the afternoon. got some really good potential leads lol.

I realized my slacking game wize wasn't anxiety but lower energy. coffee is better for my game than phenibut. I don't actually have much anxiety right now but sometimes lack of energy. sleep dep is a bitch / Ive been a coffee junkie since univeristy. (lowered dosage extremely during pfs though to recoveR)

[CSM25]

Coffee is fine when taken habitual high dose user. Increasing caffeine dosage from 1-2 cups to 6 can be dangerous.
Coffee may shorten telomeres but is also a potent antioxidant. Sleep Deprivation definitely is a bitch. The Aeropress= damn good coffee. Deathwish Coffee from New York is amazing. And Darkhorse (Toronto). SOME KIDS need to lay off the coffee.

Becoming tolerant to coffee can spike a ton of anxiety, but you Jacknap were using it for a long time, if I read crctly.

I agree with KCl to Fausto. KCl can help a lot of us with MgCl2 (hexahydrate) as well. + spinach (vit B1) with every meal to lock in gains, snapback. Himalayan pink sea salt, for Cl, Mg, K, and Na.

1 yr ago... facial hair slow... AND i can shave 2x a day usually (strong ethnic hair). It's regrown extremely fast.

[DrivenToRecover]

COFFEE is fine when taken habitual high dose user. GOING from 1-2 cups to 6 can be dangerous. COFFEE may shorten telomeres but is also a potent antioxidant. SLEEP DEPRIVATION definitely is a bitch. AEROPRESS= damn good coffee. DEATHWISH COFFEE from NY ROCKS. AND DARKHORSE. SOME KIDS need to lay off the coffee.

BECOMING tolerant to coffee can spike a ton of anxiety, but you JNAP were using it for a long time, if i read crctly.

ALSO I agree with KCl to Fausto. KCl can help a lot of us with MgCl2 (hexahydrate) as well. + spinach (vit B1) with every meal to lock in gains, snapback. Himalayan pink sea salt, for Cl, Mg, K, and Na.

1 yr ago... facial hair slow... AND i can shave 2x a day usually (strong ethnic hair). Back agn too much.

I'm not being critical just curoius lol but whats with the caps? Caps are read as someone yelling...so the start of all your sentences I read as you yelling everything lol

I dunno maybe that's what you are going for? Using italics or bold font is a great way to emphasize certain words if you are going for that.

Just bringing this up because you may have some great info to share with folks, but it might not be absorbed well if read in an obnoxious or condescending way. Esp if you happen put someone's name in caps

[Cdsnuts]

3rd day pct. or so feel decent mentally but libido a bit down.

thing i found interesting I was reading is how everyone has a different optimum hours.

for me my magic hours I think 1:30pm-430pm so do hardest tasks then.

had two grandes of coffee and macked chicks in the afternoon. got some really good potential leads lol.

I realized my slacking game wize wasn't anxiety but lower energy. coffee is better for my game than phenibut. I don't actually have much anxiety right now but sometimes lack of energy. sleep dep is a bitch / Ive been a coffee junkie since univeristy. (lowered dosage extremely during pfs though to recoveR)

I love phenibut, especially when mixed with caffeine. The sleepwalkers I take once a week or so I save for when I go out. I realized that alcohol, despite what I had originally that, makes me too apathetic to pic up women. Like once the booze hits, I'm perfectly content to just talks to what passes by instead of actively approaching. That being said, if my goal is to meet girls, I stay relatively sober. I would have never thought those words would come out of my mouth 20 years ago....lol.

I'm actually surprised how many younger girls want to get with an older guy. A happy surprise on my end for sure.

And yeah....there is a reason why they use sleep dep. as torture.

[CSM25]

My apologies. Partially hyper..., broke one finger, sprained wrist a bit, dislocated another finger. Long story. Really hard for me to edit, not trying to be condescending at all. Sorry, if I seemed rude. Just eccentric a tad. It's difficult to type at times. For the record, I think Jacknap is a cool guy. My log is elsewhere. This may have something to do with untreated neuropsyche issues, not to imply that I'm "crazy". And if anything thank you Jacknap for your support last year especially, when I was seriously freaking out. I just want him, you, everyone else, and me to succeed.

AND yes, emphasis. Colors, emboldened text, italics, etc., keep me on task and engaged. Lol.
I'm mostly happy tho. Gonna be an uncle again (sibling having a son).

[jacknap]

haha I didn't read it like that at all driven. me and CSM are fellow toronto boys :P

yeah same CD. I actually was reading heartiste. he blogs about pickup/politics and was citing science studies on how men may peak at 50 and women at 18 LOL. very extreme but might be very real. It's only gotten easier for me with age as well. Despite having PFS I put a second PR year in terms of new kills lol. Despite the super low libido.

Libido was pretty shit last night pulled a girl home and my dick was oscilliating from like 60% chub to 100% chub. I have terrible refractory periods at times. Right now optimum for me is like twice a week. Whereas before I could do like twice a day easy.

Is 4 andro way more suppressive? cuz usually I felt BETTEr psot cycle but now I def feel some libido suppression.

sleep was good last night 8 hours no wakes with alibizia :)

[CSM25]

Gotta say, worse looking a 22 I had success with girls vs. better looking and sober at 18. Better and healthier again at 23. Better success at 26 than 22. Etc. It took time to get healthier from Effexor XR, and then somehow I became younger looking again. Same happening or has happened now.

A lot of guys I know have better success late 20's, 30's, and 40's etc with women.

[jacknap]

sleep past two days has been 100%. usually only got that with phenibut. Hopefully keeps up. I been doing gotu kola at night so maybe that has to do with it.

libido has been kinda lowish though but enough to be able to do the deed well twice a week. sleep being fixed is most important to me because I'm way more positive and energetic when I get it.

After I get that locked in, full libido would be nice. Right now it's low but once I start foreplay it starts going. Whereas before just cuddling with a girl I'd have a boner.

[Cdsnuts]

sleep past two days has been 100%. usually only got that with phenibut. Hopefully keeps up. I been doing gotu kola at night so maybe that has to do with it.

libido has been kinda lowish though but enough to be able to do the deed well twice a week. sleep being fixed is most important to me because I'm way more positive and energetic when I get it.

After I get that locked in, full libido would be nice. Right now it's low but once I start foreplay it starts going. Whereas before just cuddling with a girl I'd have a boner.

You're getting there....you see that, right?

I know you had a couple posts where you were doubting yourself, which based on watching your posts for the past year or so, it's clear that you're making progress. It's just never as quick as you want it to be.

You'll get there man....slowly, but surely.

[jacknap]

You're getting there....you see that, right?

I know you had a couple posts where you were doubting yourself, which based on watching your posts for the past year or so, it's clear that you're making progress. It's just never as quick as you want it to be.

You'll get there man....slowly, but surely.

Yeah looking back I think I am definitely making progress. Sleep went back to being subpar last night. Wonder if it's the collagen I readded to coffee. I was using bone broth instead. Taking a day off collagen to see maybe it's excitatory for me or something. Probably just a coincidence though.

Hope to be 100% by next summer as I'm likely going to Greece/Europe and I wanna part like a rockstar haha.

[jacknap]

sleep has been good this week with my supps/herbs helping almost 100%

libido quit low though. takes me about 5 mins foreplay to get an erection where pre crash I'd just have a boner before even starting foreplay and also the maximal erection doesn't always last unless i'm extremely excited. also multiple rounds are hard unless it's like a super hot young girl for the first time lol

the bathmate is crazy for thickness I love noticing girls expressions with the new thickness LOL oh man I can only imagine how beast it'll be with a maintained erect dick too.

hoping that'll be back by the end of 4th cycle which I plan doing mid Oct. right now herb cycling.

cordyceps is beast. got a new batch and did 5 grams and was flying. my old one oxidized. you gotta keep this stuff in a jar cuz it wastes away so fast with any oxygen.

[jacknap]

I'm a bit worried about 4-andro suppression. Definitely won't be running it next cycle. My previous two cycles I think I had a bit of a snap back of libido but this one it was lower and seemingly stayed low still. Only been 2 weeks though and it's not thaaat bad. I felt pretty good on cycle though.

Right now I'm happy that my sleep has been pretty good because of seriphos / phenibut.

[jacknap]

interesting I did my ancestry dna then plugged data into prometheus third party softare it said that I'm a bad metabolizer for steroid hormones. Might be a good thing for androsterone cuz it'll stay in my system longer? not sure amateur at this stuff but could also explain my crash / why 4-andro seems so suppressive for me

gs155
CYP3A5 non-expressor This is common for Caucasians, but rare for African populations. As a CYP3A5 non-expressor you are unable to metabolize some common medications. This influences the synthesis of cholesterol, steroids and other lipids. The enzyme Drug Metabolism such as olanzapine, tacrolimus, nifedipine and cyclosporine as well as the steroid hormones testosterone, progesterone and androstenedione. See the discussion at Could someone explain what this snp (Gs155 - CYP3A5 non-expressor) means? : promethease (https://www.reddit.com/r/promethease/comments/8ohbf5/could_someone_explain_what_this_snp_gs155_cyp3a5/)

[jacknap]

3 weeks post cycle got my bloods done this week. seems like not much suppression? LH and FSH on the lower side but in range. total test top of range but free test mid range. let me know if you see anything weird 1558155915601561

[jacknap]

1562

[jacknap]

seems suppression has improved. strangely not getting a lot of morning wood but I had it this morning and also got a super hard sponteneous erection when I started eating dinner just now. probably from being in a semi-fasted state.

sleep has been pretty decent. I wake up like 2-3 times a night but very short for like 5 mins.

[jacknap]

woke up with some really good libido today. using bathmate really helps.

I got my first cold since crashing. A lot of guys cite they got this when they were nearly recovered. Sorta like the body is like okay we're more relaxed now time to fight this illness.

feeling optimistic.

[Lakehouse99]

good shit bro


so you never got sick while crashed? i feel like ive had the flu at least once and had sore throat, stuffy/runny nose, coughing

[jacknap]

I got it when I first first crashed. I just recall maxout saying he never got sick during pfs though.

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I need to try some avena sativa cuz my shbg is super high unlock some of that total test

[jacknap]

had really good sex last night. 2 rounds! bathmate 6 minutes before for pump. tongkat megadose and mucana in the morning. had a crazy orgasm with her on top and then a second round after like 45 mins.

sleep is getting great too. I wake up frequently like twice last night but slept a total 9 hours :) wakes last like 10 mins.

[jacknap]

libido pretty monster high today. absolutely destroyed this I'm seeing last night. + with the bathmate she could hardly fully take me. I loved that feeling so much

it does feel a bit numb though but in other aspects even better than pre crash because of elemenets in protocol. overall i'm like 95% right now with dips and some weird shit still like i'll wake up once or twice a night in ways that I didn't and sometimes brain/penis connection is kinda off. also sometimes some energy/ambition issues

I got me some liftmode icariin coming in the mail and apparently if used everyday is like having permanent cialis according to a user I highly respect on hackstasis. soooo excited

[zardoz]

libido pretty monster high today. absolutely destroyed this I'm seeing last night. + with the bathmate she could hardly fully take me. I loved that feeling so much

it does feel a bit numb though but in other aspects even better than pre crash because of elemenets in protocol. overall i'm like 95% right now with dips and some weird shit still like i'll wake up once or twice a night in ways that I didn't and sometimes brain/penis connection is kinda off. also sometimes some energy/ambition issues

I got me some liftmode icariin coming in the mail and apparently if used everyday is like having permanent cialis according to a user I highly respect on hackstasis. soooo excited

Great news, man. Sounds like you're on the home stretch

[RickTheRuler]

So your around 85% overall?

I never take your posts that seriously cause you said you was 85% in December lol.. you kept saying that a couple of times.

Shows that this is always longer than you want it to be.


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[jacknap]

So your around 85% overall?

I never take your posts that seriously cause you said you was 85% in December lol.. you kept saying that a couple of times.

Shows that this is always longer than you want it to be.


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Yeah I know. Libido actually feels kinda down today too. Got a random boner though and nocturnal erections at least.

Energy kinda feels me too.

I have some really good days and some really bad days at times so the days I was 85% in December I was but I also would have shiiiit down swings.

My down swings now are not so bad. Last night I had a bad sleep but even then I woke up like 3 times but sleep like 9 hours total :D

[RickTheRuler]

So it’s basically libido & sleep left.

Not bad man. Be grateful. & your like 40 right?


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[Lakehouse99]

lmao bossnap is like early-mid 20s

[CSM25]

LOL, yeah he's pretty young.

[RickTheRuler]

Lmfao damn! Somewhere I read 39!

I’m going out tonight. I’m in a decent mood now, but would a couple rounds of breathing & a cold shower before I leave put me in a better headspace to enjoy myself? On top of that, anything I could take? Just wanna make sure my vibe is up.


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[DrivenToRecover]

Lmfao damn! Somewhere I read 39!

I’m going out tonight. I’m in a decent mood now, but would a couple rounds of breathing & a cold shower before I leave put me in a better headspace to enjoy myself? On top of that, anything I could take? Just wanna make sure my vibe is up.


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Nicotine is what I take in the situation you are describing. Pure drops are ideal, but for you id recommend getting store brand nicotine gum. Always gives me a good euphoric headspace.

Very minimal side effects as well other than just being addictive. Which you can avoid by taking it only on special occasions.

[RickTheRuler]

Thanks Driven!

Not gonna lie, we’ve got some smart motherfuckers here. This site is gonna serve me so well post PFS. Just the amount of knowledge I’ve gained in 5 months here. It’s all just a matter of Timeeee.

Yeah this shit happened to us but I really do think it’s for a reason. Whether it was for us to be at our most optimal in the future or to learn valuable life lessons that we brush to the side (vanity, work ethic sustained, consistency, being stoic).. this thing is building us in ways we don’t understand . Just stay consistent ya’ll. & try to have FUN during this whole ordeal


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[DrivenToRecover]

Thanks Driven!

Not gonna lie, we’ve got some smart motherfuckers here. This site is gonna serve me so well post PFS. Just the amount of knowledge I’ve gained in 5 months here. It’s all just a matter of Timeeee.

Yeah this shit happened to us but I really do think it’s for a reason. Whether it was for us to be at our most optimal in the future or to learn valuable life lessons that we brush to the side (vanity, work ethic sustained, consistency, being stoic).. this thing is building us in ways we don’t understand . Just stay consistent ya’ll. & try to have FUN during this whole ordeal


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You will look back on this later in life, and realize overall it made your time here better becasuse of the lessons learned, and the self development journey it puts you on.

Lots of ppl that recover have shared this.

[Lakehouse99]

personally i like laying low and grinding

being in the mix was a waste of time looking back at it

[RickTheRuler]

The hard part for me is that I was always out the mix before all this.. I was always the grinder behind the scenes, (inferiority complex) never the most naturally gifted at sports so had to work to be great, never so good with women so had to work, never got recognition at my job so put in more hours etc.. that’s been my life, WORK WORK WORK so I can “catch up” to everyone else who in my perception seem to just “have it” cause I felt inferior to everyone and everything in all facets of life. I remember having a talk with a guy telling me I’m a solid dude for a young one but just act like I’m a loser, it doesn’t match..

I was ready to actually stop being a hermit working so much on myself & step out to enjoy life in the spring/summer like a regular good looking 22 year old dude should , then this thing hits. Back to the old grind...It’s like the Timing of PFS hitting can be the worst.

But referencing my first paragraph^, those qualities & weird outlook I have make doing the protocol fairly easy.. almost too easy, this leads to you questioning how can something so simple cure you from this complicated hormonal shit show lol.




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[Lakehouse99]

The hard part for me is that I was always out the mix before all this.. I was always the grinder behind the scenes, (inferiority complex) never the most naturally gifted at sports so had to work to be great, never so good with women so had to work, never got recognition at my job so put in more hours etc.. that’s been my life, WORK WORK WORK so I can “catch up” to everyone else who in my perception seem to just “have it” cause I felt inferior to everyone and everything in all facets of life. I remember having a talk with a guy telling me I’m a solid dude for a young one but just act like I’m a loser, it doesn’t match..

I was ready to actually stop being a hermit working so much on myself & step out to enjoy life in the spring/summer like a regular good looking 22 year old dude should , then this thing hits. Back to the old grind...It’s like the Timing of PFS hitting can be the worst.

But referencing my first paragraph^, those qualities & weird outlook I have make doing the protocol fairly easy.. almost too easy, this leads to you questioning how can something so simple cure you from this complicated hormonal shit show lol.




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i feel you 100% bro

in hs i was mostly grinding in athletics like you, training, eating clean etc. college, im not playing sports anymore and forced to socialize (which im not good at with the guys), and I dont fit in anywhere. i dont have much problems with the girls, but i cant really spit game, which doesnt seem to be a problem. however, i could never be accepted by a crew when i was in my late teens and early twenties, outside of athletics.

so i was forced to stay out of the mix after that as well. now im 26, feels like i lost the last 3 years of my life to PFS mental sides, plus however long it takes to get over this. i know ill stop bitching about it once i recover and i can meditate, because thats what meditation did for me back when i was 21, make me accept my life for what it was regardless of the things i missed out on and shit i failed at. so i know once i recover for good, i know how to just get on with life and live in the present moment just by training my mind to do so, which i cant right now due to PFS

you gotta stop feeling inferior bro, thats how i felt too way back. thats the wrong fuel to propel you to the top imo. you gotta find something you want to do, and you gotta lose yourself in the moment of that to be the best at it, rather than compare yourself to others. thats when you have true confidence is when you dont have to compare yourself to others

right now i get the thoughts that theres other guys in tech sales that are raking in 200k-300k at age 25,26,27, building connections to elite C suite executives, while im stuck with shitty PFS symptoms. other guys my age are launching their own companies, and those guys are living the dreams that my idols like tmac and kobe did, skipping college to go pro, and i feel like im just stuck on the sidelines just reading various things about the industry that im trying to play in

but i gotta accept it and write my own story, cant compare it to those guys. it may take me years to get where they get, and if i have a bad attitude and compare myself to them constantly, i may never get there.

gotta live life in the present moment truly, and if you do that, all the inferiority complexes, insecurity, comparisons, anxiety, depression--- all of that nonsense goes away. you feel true peace. speaking from experience of once being at that level and truly being able to live and experience the clarity of all the cliche lines of "living in the moment"

[DrivenToRecover]

i feel you 100% bro

in hs i was mostly grinding in athletics like you, training, eating clean etc. college, im not playing sports anymore and forced to socialize (which im not good at with the guys), and I dont fit in anywhere. i dont have much problems with the girls, but i cant really spit game, which doesnt seem to be a problem. however, i could never be accepted by a crew when i was in my late teens and early twenties, outside of athletics.

so i was forced to stay out of the mix after that as well. now im 26, feels like i lost the last 3 years of my life to PFS mental sides, plus however long it takes to get over this. i know ill stop bitching about it once i recover and i can meditate, because thats what meditation did for me back when i was 21, make me accept my life for what it was regardless of the things i missed out on and shit i failed at. so i know once i recover for good, i know how to just get on with life and live in the present moment just by training my mind to do so, which i cant right now due to PFS

you gotta stop feeling inferior bro, thats how i felt too way back. thats the wrong fuel to propel you to the top imo. you gotta find something you want to do, and you gotta lose yourself in the moment of that to be the best at it, rather than compare yourself to others. thats when you have true confidence is when you dont have to compare yourself to others

right now i get the thoughts that theres other guys in tech sales that are raking in 200k-300k at age 25,26,27, building connections to elite C suite executives, while im stuck with shitty PFS symptoms. other guys my age are launching their own companies, and those guys are living the dreams that my idols like tmac and kobe did, skipping college to go pro, and i feel like im just stuck on the sidelines just reading various things about the industry that im trying to play in

but i gotta accept it and write my own story, cant compare it to those guys. it may take me years to get where they get, and if i have a bad attitude and compare myself to them constantly, i may never get there.

gotta live life in the present moment truly, and if you do that, all the inferiority complexes, insecurity, comparisons, anxiety, depression--- all of that nonsense goes away. you feel true peace. speaking from experience of once being at that level and truly being able to live and experience the clarity of all the cliche lines of "living in the moment"

Great post my man

[RickTheRuler]

i feel you 100% bro

in hs i was mostly grinding in athletics like you, training, eating clean etc. college, im not playing sports anymore and forced to socialize (which im not good at with the guys), and I dont fit in anywhere. i dont have much problems with the girls, but i cant really spit game, which doesnt seem to be a problem. however, i could never be accepted by a crew when i was in my late teens and early twenties, outside of athletics.

so i was forced to stay out of the mix after that as well. now im 26, feels like i lost the last 3 years of my life to PFS mental sides, plus however long it takes to get over this. i know ill stop bitching about it once i recover and i can meditate, because thats what meditation did for me back when i was 21, make me accept my life for what it was regardless of the things i missed out on and shit i failed at. so i know once i recover for good, i know how to just get on with life and live in the present moment just by training my mind to do so, which i cant right now due to PFS

you gotta stop feeling inferior bro, thats how i felt too way back. thats the wrong fuel to propel you to the top imo. you gotta find something you want to do, and you gotta lose yourself in the moment of that to be the best at it, rather than compare yourself to others. thats when you have true confidence is when you dont have to compare yourself to others

right now i get the thoughts that theres other guys in tech sales that are raking in 200k-300k at age 25,26,27, building connections to elite C suite executives, while im stuck with shitty PFS symptoms. other guys my age are launching their own companies, and those guys are living the dreams that my idols like tmac and kobe did, skipping college to go pro, and i feel like im just stuck on the sidelines just reading various things about the industry that im trying to play in

but i gotta accept it and write my own story, cant compare it to those guys. it may take me years to get where they get, and if i have a bad attitude and compare myself to them constantly, i may never get there.

gotta live life in the present moment truly, and if you do that, all the inferiority complexes, insecurity, comparisons, anxiety, depression--- all of that nonsense goes away. you feel true peace. speaking from experience of once being at that level and truly being able to live and experience the clarity of all the cliche lines of "living in the moment"

Your right bro. It’s deff something to work on. It’s real deep in my DNA & I have to let it goS

Thing is I’m pretty good today at all those things so when I tell people I have that inferiority thing they don’t get it.

It’s like a super fat guy who loses weight, becomes jacked & then gets more women cause of it etc. which is a great thing.. but some guys still see the fat guy before all this & their behavior/body language follows suit .. I guess that’s how it is with me, I still see the kid at 17-19 years old. I’m deff in a better spot now in all areas cause of the work I put in but I still see the kid in mirror before all of it.

We getting real fucking deep here lmao.


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[Lakehouse99]

Your right bro. It’s deff something to work on. It’s real deep in my DNA & I have to let it goS

Thing is I’m pretty good today at all those things so when I tell people I have that inferiority thing they don’t get it.

It’s like a super fat guy who loses weight, becomes jacked & then gets more women cause of it etc. which is a great thing.. but some guys still see the fat guy before all this & their behavior/body language follows suit .. I guess that’s how it is with me, I still see the kid at 17-19 years old. I’m deff in a better spot now in all areas cause of the work I put in but I still see the kid in mirror before all of it.

We getting real fucking deep here lmao.


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see man youre living in the past though, thats the problem with that. some days youre good to go, some days you feel that hesitation cause you feel like youre that 18 year old

your solution is to live in the present moment man forreal

i think about getting back to where i can do that every single day, but i cant

imagine if "living in the present" = deadlifting 400lbs

it takes a while to build up to that and you gotta be consistent everyday. your bad thoughts (or any thoughts at all) come, you let them come, you just observe them, then you shift your mind back to the present moment, whether its your stomach going up and down to your breath, or some the sound of birds or whatever. and you just observe that without any thought (or judgement)

you just do that over and over and over every single day, and eventually you get to the point where nothing bothers you anymore. its like muscle that you developed in your brain that just instantly switches off the bad thoughts without you even having to think about it. its a superpower

yeah we getting real deep here without any alcohol or nothing lmao i guess PFS is a substitute for that

[CSM25]

That's just conscious thinking. If you can understand dark progressive trance 132-145 BPM without drugs, then you are deep. Or high... or both.
Only true DEEP THINKING WARRIORS, walk 9hrs at night away from some girl's house, to go scream at the ocean.

[jacknap]

I'm glad my thread could be the catalyst for deep rumination boys... lol

for my next cycle I'm thinking 600mg r-andro no 4 andro. hitting that dht RAW folks. I think I can handle it without crushing my estrogen and even if I crush it yolo it'll come back in a month or so right?

4 andro suppressed me. suppression gone BUT wouldn't risk it with another cycle. waste have an extra bottle.

I feel that I have super high DHT naturally as gbold said Italians have higher DHT. I'm kinda hairy/lean. I look skinny but i'm insanely strong for my size. Sounds like a DHT dominant to me. I was also very aggressive/dominant/ambitious before PFS. I did 600mg DHT for a little on my 2nd cycle and that felt closer to the real me than 400. So might need that higher dose. I know tubzy went 600. Might copy and paste this to hackstasis too cuz it seems a bit more active here and some guys there really saved my ass a few times with advice.

[Lakehouse99]

I'm glad my thread could be the catalyst for deep rumination boys... lol

for my next cycle I'm thinking 600mg r-andro no 4 andro. hitting that dht RAW folks. I think I can handle it without crushing my estrogen and even if I crush it yolo it'll come back in a month or so right?

4 andro suppressed me. suppression gone BUT wouldn't risk it with another cycle. waste have an extra bottle.

I feel that I have super high DHT naturally as gbold said Italians have higher DHT. I'm kinda hairy/lean. I look skinny but i'm insanely strong for my size. Sounds like a DHT dominant to me. I was also very aggressive/dominant/ambitious before PFS. I did 600mg DHT for a little on my 2nd cycle and that felt closer to the real me than 400. So might need that higher dose. I know tubzy went 600. Might copy and paste this to hackstasis too cuz it seems a bit more active here and some guys there really saved my ass a few times with advice.


im blasting 600mg DHT from Andro hard here but i feel nothing, but gonna keep doing it for another month at least

those guys at hackstasis do anything different than here? i cant get approved to join there, email confirmation wont come and tubzy wont communicate with me for god knows what reason (i dont even know the guy lol)

[jacknap]

im blasting 600mg DHT from Andro hard here but i feel nothing, but gonna keep doing it for another month at least

those guys at hackstasis do anything different than here? i cant get approved to join there, email confirmation wont come and tubzy wont communicate with me for god knows what reason (i dont even know the guy lol)

his sig says that he's mad busy might have to do with it. if they have anything ground breaking i'll fill all the swole source people. right now they're still doing trials of protocols i think

[CSM25]

I went up to 1900mg its fine
i do not recommend tho

[jacknap]

I went up to 1900mg its fine
i do not recommend tho

woah how did that feel

[CSM25]

I was kidding lol, probably 7 max R-Andro and 7 4-andro, lets say 7 each was 4-6 times, and 6 each was like 8 times. 4-6 each 20 times. And usually
I took 4-andro at half the dose. I think I read dosing wrong or me and Ihatefin fucked up something with ADD... Maybe I misread what he said, not sure it was months ago. BUT* I did get stronger every half week.

However, while it was good for mood and focus to an extent, and did help sexual drive. Some work (even a lot at times (trading))... It was really really
not good in terms of irritation.

Sounds obvious, but I can tolerate a lot of things, however I was really really mad until post workout.

And then because of those high dose days, I megadosed TMO herbs (5-6 of them) and also took a bit extra of PCT (Kingsblood).
It was all good, but I really don't need more aggression than baseline.

It was pretty crazy last year beard in 5-7 days, now with nothing - like 0.6-1 days. On R-andro and 4-andro, full beard in 0.5 days. So yeah the stuff works but if anyone has a temper, aggression, etc., they should err on the side of caution.

Also, pretty much not good for studying. AND when I took stimulants (say 80/the last 550days+), agitation was HIGH, very high. And I needed something to bring it down maybe 21 times.

So all in all:

FIne for PFS.
FINE for suppression.
*NOT GREAT* for Mood and FOCUS issues.

AND---> *potentially risky*.
--> I only did this because of impatience and also I was getting stronger weekly, ... basically addictive tendencies. Not very smart, but I also
---> didn't think I'd recover until maybe Feb-March and really like May to June, I realized (wow... I've gotten like 1000x better).

Again: I in no way advocate overdosing ANYTHING at all in life: sex, caffeine, workout drugs, whether real steroids or not. Nothing.

Everything in moderation.

I was fine, but I did storm out maybe 5-8times.

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It wasn't on purpose* and I hate being angry.
Anger really is a poison and it hurts the person. Same with depression, anxiety etc. --> Combined with alcohol?
-Super Destructive. I quit drinking mostly at 23 though.

But* I think over aggression (anger***, agitation when really bad) and Depression*** are the worst emotions. I could be wrong - it's case to case.

I mean normally for people with a "standard emotional range".

Anger has it's uses. Dr. Drew says "Disgust is the best motivator in life." --> I like that guy. He's a good Psychologist it seems lol.

[DrivenToRecover]

As someone that took adderall for years...I crack up when I read your posts CSM lol... because I've had the head space that you seem to stay in naturally lol

[jacknap]

As someone that took adderall for years...I crack up when I read your posts CSM lol... because I've had the head space that you seem to stay in naturally lol

lol I'm actually jelly because if that headspace is anything like modafinil I love it. Unfotrunately can't use that anymore until I'm fully recovered because too strong of a stim worsens my sleep problems (I still have them but managable with protocol + phen in moderation)

u taking any stims nowdayz @CSM?

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Note to self I sleep way better if I don't eat anything 4 hours before bed.

[Cdsnuts]

I messed with Addy's this summer. We would take them and then go to the bar. Fun, but damn.....I had absolutely NO appetite whatsoever. I can't see how people take them daily. I would waste away to nothing. I guess if you have an imbalance it would be different. Plus after a couple days of binge drinking and limited sleep, the depression on come down was pretty rough.

[DrivenToRecover]

I messed with Addy's this summer. We would take them and then go to the bar. Fun, but damn.....I had absolutely NO appetite whatsoever. I can't see how people take them daily. I would waste away to nothing. I guess if you have an imbalance it would be different. Plus after a couple days of binge drinking and limited sleep, the depression on come down was pretty rough.

Now just imagine taking it daily from age 7-22 and you have my childhood lol

Its controversial, but I don't agree that pharmaceutical meth corrects any kind of imbalance.

My opinion now is that the people that should really be given adderall are the sick older people that can't get any kind of stimulation naturally anymore.

[Cdsnuts]

Now just imagine taking it daily from age 7-22 and you have my childhood lol

Its controversial, but I don't agree that pharmaceutical meth corrects any kind of imbalance.

My opinion now is that the people that should really be given adderall are the sick older people that can't get any kind of simulation naturally anymore.

I'm going to agree with you there. There is a reason why the imbalance exists in the first place. It can be a variety of things, but I can tell you it's not an amphetamine deficiency.....lol

[jacknap]

sleep down swing this week. could only get 5 hours unfortunately. well I guess I get more free time lol

interesting listening to tim ferriss podcast. mushroom expert. highly recommend but it's only on itunes not youtube yet so can't link.

[jacknap]

Cdsnuts you have pfs for about 5 years. at what stage did your sleep go back to normal? I know things started to go faster once protocol was dialed in but was it the first year or deeper in like 4th year?

[Cdsnuts]

Cdsnuts you have pfs for about 5 years. at what stage did your sleep go back to normal? I know things started to go faster once protocol was dialed in but was it the first year or deeper in like 4th year?

I had it for longer then five years.....I was on fin 2003-2007, I found PH in 2007, so that's when I stopped, but I had symptoms pretty much six months after I started....just didn't realize it was the propecia. I'd say I was in the shit for a good 7, or maybe 8 years. Obviously to varying degrees as I healed. I made my recovery post in 2012.

Sleep was always touchy with me, but when that started to come back, the healing really accelerated. I'd say for me, sleep really got good towards the last year or so. Keep in mind I'm going off shady memory.....

I just remember waiting which seemed like forever to post my recovery because I wanted to make sure I had no more nasty downswings. I was pretty much good from the beginning of 2012 onward....I believe I made my recovery post in August of that year?

[jacknap]

I had it for longer then five years.....I was on fin 2003-2007, I found PH in 2007, so that's when I stopped, but I had symptoms pretty much six months after I started....just didn't realize it was the propecia. I'd say I was in the shit for a good 7, or maybe 8 years. Obviously to varying degrees as I healed. I made my recovery post in 2012.

Sleep was always touchy with me, but when that started to come back, the healing really accelerated. I'd say for me, sleep really got good towards the last year or so. Keep in mind I'm going off shady memory.....

I just remember waiting which seemed like forever to post my recovery because I wanted to make sure I had no more nasty downswings. I was pretty much good from the beginning of 2012 onward....I believe I made my recovery post in August of that year?

nice yeah. I just find it peculiar that my sleep is still this dodgy during downswings. thanks! Found out my neighbors kids were playing basketball in the wee morning hours too so that might've woke me up too but couldn't get back to sleep.

[Cdsnuts]

nice yeah. I just find it peculiar that my sleep is still this dodgy during downswings. thanks! Found out my neighbors kids were playing basketball in the wee morning hours too so that might've woke me up too but couldn't get back to sleep.

Everyone is a little different when it comes to symptoms. Sleep is just one of the more pesky ones for you. It is what it is man. It will all work itself out in the end. You know the drill. You don't need to do anything other then what you've been doing.

[jacknap]

question about 4 andro. don't think I want to cycle again because it suppressed me and don't want to roll the dice again with that (recovered from it tho after about 3 weeks).

I still have a bottle though. would use 4 pills of it biweekly on a saturday be cool and not cause suppression but just a nice little bump? just load myself for extra test when im out clubbing? :P

[Cdsnuts]

question about 4 andro. don't think I want to cycle again because it suppressed me and don't want to roll the dice again with that (recovered from it tho after about 3 weeks).

I still have a bottle though. would use 4 pills of it biweekly on a saturday be cool and not cause suppression but just a nice little bump? just load myself for extra test when im out clubbing? :P

You could do that, yes. I've done similar things

[jacknap]

sweet. yeah i'm thinking about doing that primarily on cycle too. going to a swingers club with this brazilian friends with benefits i have lol

anyone on here down for thailand? slide in the dm's. thinking about doing it november while on cycle

[Cdsnuts]

sweet. yeah i'm thinking about doing that primarily on cycle too. going to a swingers club with this brazilian friends with benefits i have lol

anyone on here down for thailand? slide in the dm's. thinking about doing it november while on cycle

Lol.....nice!

[Lakehouse99]

sweet. yeah i'm thinking about doing that primarily on cycle too. going to a swingers club with this brazilian friends with benefits i have lol

anyone on here down for thailand? slide in the dm's. thinking about doing it november while on cycle

im gonna have to pass on this, but next year time to get yucky in Vegas!!! haha

[jacknap]

starting my 4th cycle today! just gunna do 400 r-andro and maybe some 4-andro on saturdays not chronically.

last night was pretty wicked. had sex with 2 new girls. sexually was very close to 100%. strangely I don't respond to porn as much as I did but sex wise I get aroused about the same. (I generally abstain from porn but have some cheat days once every 2 weeks or so).

beet juice powder is very good btw. I added it to my shakes and think it's gunna be a new staple. highly recommend.

[Cdsnuts]

starting my 4th cycle today! just gunna do 400 r-andro and maybe some 4-andro on saturdays not chronically.

last night was pretty wicked. had sex with 2 new girls. sexually was very close to 100%. strangely I don't respond to porn as much as I did but sex wise I get aroused about the same. (I generally abstain from porn but have some cheat days once every 2 weeks or so).

beet juice powder is very good btw. I added it to my shakes and think it's gunna be a new staple. highly recommend.

Remember this post when you're in a downswing and start to doubt your recovery bro.....

[jacknap]

Remember this post when you're in a downswing and start to doubt your recovery bro.....

yeah I'm my own worst enemy during downswings :) thanks

[Cdsnuts]

yeah I'm my own worst enemy during downswings :) thanks

We all are/were bro.

[jacknap]

slept pretty good last night. I cranked up the volume in pink noise + 3 grams niacinamide (gbolduev recommended me it for sleep) gets my sleep to like 95%. Just two quick wakes.

When I have the protocol/things that work for me dialed in I'm pretty close to normal just some minor things right now.

1) some numbness in the dick
2) takes about 2 minutes to get heated up for sex (libido sometimes lower than it used to be too) and I don't respond to porn as fast as I used to I gotta warm up.
3) the frequent wakes / not being able to stay asleep
4) sometimes I feel like my face is retaining more sodium makes if puffy though when I lose weight it looks the way it used too. I was probably too skinny for my height before anyways though.
5) I have a bit of a twitch in the right side of my jaw. relatively benign and it doesn't really go away it's always there. PRobably pinched a nerve though or something so I don't think this will go away. It was the actual thing that I thought was the hole in my head feeling because it translates into the head pressure I was always talking about.

I think that's pretty much it. Which is saying a lot because I had like 30+ symptoms when I first crashed

[whoevencares00]

slept pretty good last night. I cranked up the volume in pink noise + 3 grams niacinamide (gbolduev recommended me it for sleep) gets my sleep to like 95%. Just two quick wakes.

When I have the protocol/things that work for me dialed in I'm pretty close to normal just some minor things right now.

1) some numbness in the dick
2) takes about 2 minutes to get heated up for sex (libido sometimes lower than it used to be too) and I don't respond to porn as fast as I used to I gotta warm up.
3) the frequent wakes / not being able to stay asleep
4) sometimes I feel like my face is retaining more sodium makes if puffy though when I lose weight it looks the way it used too. I was probably too skinny for my height before anyways though.
5) I have a bit of a twitch in the right side of my jaw. relatively benign and it doesn't really go away it's always there. PRobably pinched a nerve though or something so I don't think this will go away. It was the actual thing that I thought was the hole in my head feeling because it translates into the head pressure I was always talking about.

I think that's pretty much it. Which is saying a lot because I had like 30+ symptoms when I first crashed

congrats man

[Lakehouse99]

slept pretty good last night. I cranked up the volume in pink noise + 3 grams niacinamide (gbolduev recommended me it for sleep) gets my sleep to like 95%. Just two quick wakes.

When I have the protocol/things that work for me dialed in I'm pretty close to normal just some minor things right now.

1) some numbness in the dick
2) takes about 2 minutes to get heated up for sex (libido sometimes lower than it used to be too) and I don't respond to porn as fast as I used to I gotta warm up.
3) the frequent wakes / not being able to stay asleep
4) sometimes I feel like my face is retaining more sodium makes if puffy though when I lose weight it looks the way it used too. I was probably too skinny for my height before anyways though.
5) I have a bit of a twitch in the right side of my jaw. relatively benign and it doesn't really go away it's always there. PRobably pinched a nerve though or something so I don't think this will go away. It was the actual thing that I thought was the hole in my head feeling because it translates into the head pressure I was always talking about.

I think that's pretty much it. Which is saying a lot because I had like 30+ symptoms when I first crashed

what did you use for sleep at your worst insomnia?

im going through 1+ weeks of horrible sleep atm

nothing helps even nyquill. im awake some nights till 5AM

have you tried the stuff in the protocol? im scared of taking glycine cause of that one guy

[jacknap]

not sure if it's a pfs thing or a bathmate thing. I love using bathmate pre sex for girth gains. I do have a bit of discolouration on the head of my penis. like kinda like a bruise. maybe lay off for a while like 2 weeks? wouldn't cause anything perma fucked up right? libido is still lowish but it's decent like I can do 3x a week with days in between but not multiple rounds yet xept sometimes I can on upswings which it's not a libido upswing. I use seriphos too which has choline i think right, don't think helped with sensitivity. sensitivity just basically goes up on upswings tho generally and from not ejaculating too much

the niacinamide is still working for sleep and it's been a week sleep is like 95%+ with supplementation for a week. so think I possibly locked it in with supplementation.

[jacknap]

could only sleep 5 hours last night. laid in bed for an hour, meditated before I just got up. Still niacinamide worked 9/10 days so far so hopeful for tonight it keeps working.



could also be cause I head whey protein before 3 hours bed. stopped taking b6 and b complex in the morning. or could just be a random down swing.



I try to reframe it as having more time in the day. which it is.

[jacknap]

anyone have tips on how to lose 5-10lbs. I find my default hunger makes me a tad plumper then I like to be. I feel I look best at around 158-163 pounds but right now I'm about 166-170lbs.

should I up the weights a tad more at the gym so instead of losing weight I burn the fat into more muscle?

should I just cut the calories by a tad and eventually my body will accept the new default?\

should I drink a bit more coffee to blunt my appetite?

should I accept my new weight as it's not exactly fat. I'm 6'0 183cm so it's more just a medium build but I like being more on the slim side. I just feel way more attractive when I'm slimmer face looks better and torso feels sexier. When I felt peak attractiveness to opposite sex too it was at this lower weight my confidence is way different at the lower weight. Especially with pfs I feel my face still gets more puffy then it used to with the extra weight but the few times my weight fluctuates down I'm pretty happy with my body composition.\

I can also just use my willpower and do a sorta intermittant fast but I'm starving by dinner time and condense my eating window. not sure how sustainable it is but I think I can pull it off. I did it yesterday and already feel better.

[jacknap]

very frustrating. sleep is still fucked. I got 5 hours last night. want more. I fall asleep fine but can't get that last 4 hours sometimes. niacinamide seemed to work but hasn't been past 3 days.

went out to a club and I think it kinda takes a lot outta me. it's best if I don't do anything too stimulating 4-5 hours before bed. nights i go out to a club etc. I always have a rough sleep even though I don't drink or do drugs.

sunlight seemed to help with sleep a tad but still not enough to my old sleep sigh. hope can get this fixed crazy i've had insomnia for a year and 3 months!

does seem extremely stubborn. can't tell if it's improving further or not. debating whether to keep cycling andro/herbs cause this is my 4th cycle already or just start TEI.

my original plan was this protocol till september so 2 years doing protocol dilligently and then if not fully recovered do TEI. Or maybe finish cycle. cycle herbs 2 more months for PCT and then do TEI (which would be like february instead of september) Champster took 2.5 years to fully recover though wonder how many cycles he did. was kinda hoping that 4 would be the magic number as that's what goes maxout and cdnuts over the line but I think I'm a bit more behind than were they were when they recovered.

Mentally like 99% (slight slowness when I don't sleep well but I think i'm basically back to normal)
physically 99% (still have a spasm in jaw but face looks the same when I'm at my proper weight)
libido 50%? (I used to want to cum like 6-7 times a week now it's more like 2-3)
sleep 70% (with sleep aids I sleep okay 5/7 nights eg) 5 nights I'll sleep 8-9 hours total with like 1-2 wakes and twice a week i'll just be able to get 5 hours sleep and not be able to fall asleep again even though I can tell I need more)

so round that out and it's like 80% maybe. the libido and sleep are very stubborn but there does seem to be up and downswings? not sure though cause also seems i've been at this level a looooong time hmm

[Master Mal]

I feel that, Jack. I think you and I are in a very similar place. Just remember that this is the toughest part because the improvements are more subtle. Keep it up and you'll get there.

[RickTheRuler]

Jack what you mean by TEI?

& as far as your frustration goes, just stick to it dude, if I was where you was at I wouldn’t even bother being on the forum tbh. Keep that perspective always. If it takes 8 Damn cycles so be it. It took CD & Maxout 4 cycles, yoir not them, your own your own time dawg..your doing a big mistake in comparing..

You and Master Mal are In that place that I wanna be in..I’m not even thinking about my dick or libido bro, if I can be 100% sharp mentally & physically ill be outta here.

It’s been around 6-7 months for me so far, & I haven’t tried a cycle yet. January is the plan. I know I keep pushing it back, I’m just trying to build a very good base with herbs. God willing when I start the cycle since I’ve been building up for some time it hits me pretty good. But I have improved mentally & energy wise. Haven’t touched caffeine at all yet.

[jacknap]

Jack what you mean by TEI?


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it's a thing some guys think is the cure for pfs on hackstasis. you take a hair test after 30 days of no supplements or hormones and see where your baseline is. from there it tells you which mineral ratios are outta wake and potential put you back into balance.

[RickTheRuler]

Do what you want man but I think you gotta just stick to the game plan. my opinion. I was at hack stasis a while back when I first crashed & that shit just confused me. Never went there since.


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[jacknap]

Do what you want man but I think you gotta just stick to the game plan. my opinion. I was at hack stasis a while back when I first crashed & that shit just confused me. Never went there since.


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yeah I'm already an anxious bear too. Took a while to understand the protocol and get it dialed in so conservative approach of sticking with it probably is the thing for me. Might do TEI in september if i'm not recovered by then cause that's 2 years on protocol :)

it's confusing at first but I just try to a read a tad everyday and gbold's ideas start to make more sense

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Jack what you mean by TEI?

& as far as your frustration goes, just stick to it dude, if I was where you was at I wouldn’t even bother being on the forum tbh. Keep that perspective always. If it takes 8 Damn cycles so be it. It took CD & Maxout 4 cycles, yoir not them, your own your own time dawg..your doing a big mistake in comparing..

You and Master Mal are In that place that I wanna be in..I’m not even thinking about my dick or libido bro, if I can be 100% sharp mentally & physically ill be outta here.

It’s been around 6-7 months for me so far, & I haven’t tried a cycle yet. January is the plan. I know I keep pushing it back, I’m just trying to build a very good base with herbs. God willing when I start the cycle since I’ve been building up for some time it hits me pretty good. But I have improved mentally & energy wise. Haven’t touched caffeine at all yet.

thanks brother wise words. haha i think sometimes we wish we compare symptoms for me mental /physical fixed fastest. sleep/libido been most stubborn.

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I feel that, Jack. I think you and I are in a very similar place. Just remember that this is the toughest part because the improvements are more subtle. Keep it up and you'll get there.

yeah good point also probably just in a down swing. one of the first times I caught myself and told myself that after cdnuts drilled me about it lol. only 3 hours of sleep last night pretty brutal haha MORE TIME IN THE DAY THO BE POSITIVE LOL

[whoevencares00]

slightly off topic but i signed up at hack stasis like a month ago, but my account is still awaiting confirmation. i never got the confirmation email after registering. any advice for what i should do?

[Maxout777]

slightly off topic but i signed up at hack stasis like a month ago, but my account is still awaiting confirmation. i never got the confirmation email after registering. any advice for what i should do?

You have to be approved by the admin. Let me know what your username is on there and I will let TubZy know to approve you.

[whoevencares00]

You have to be approved by the admin. Let me know what your username is on there and I will let TubZy know to approve you.

username's the same as here, thanks man

[jacknap]

the no ejaculation sex is good. am to do multiple rounds. just stop myself when i'm close to cumming. Keeps my libido close to pre-pfs. nice little hack for guys trying to have a good sex life during this shit lol. it's the ejaculation that kills me. Did 7 days no ejaculation. This week i'm gunna do 6 days and see where diminishing returns comes in. I want to cum at least once a week cause I read a study that testosterone jacks up after the 7th day but goes down after that.

[jacknap]

I'm in Canada. I have a script but before I had it I would get cialis from my buddy. he gave me them for 10$ canadian for 20mg pill that an okay deal or?

how much do they go for in North America?

[RickTheRuler]

I get mine overseas in bulk. I got like 70 100 mg generic viagras for around 100 bucks. Very cheap.

I have a big stash of Cialis & viagra depending on the occasion.

I just don’t have the balls to do it now. Maybe when I’m in cycle.


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[jacknap]

I get mine overseas in bulk. I got like 70 100 mg generic viagras for around 100 bucks. Very cheap.

I have a big stash of Cialis & viagra depending on the occasion.

I just don’t have the balls to do it now. Maybe when I’m in cycle.


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Canada customs is even more brutal than USA though so where you get it from mine not work for me. Regardless. Can you hookup that link?

Do you do no fap? I don't really fap much at all. I was doing like once a week or every other week. I stopped that and now I don't even let myself ejaculate during sex for a bit and it works. My libido is close to pre-pfs when I abstain from ejaculation. I did 7 days last week. This week i'm doing 6 days seeing where diminishing returns is. Ie. how many ejaculations can I have per week without lowering libido. So far seems 6 should be good, sunday will be the day I do it this week. Saturday the next week etc. Pending how the experiment goes.

Sex is definitely better than masturbation but even sex ejaculations take a lot out of me. Body puts the highest qualities minerals/nutrients into our loads for the next generation so being stingy on blowing is proving to be wise so far. maybe placebo but I doubt it.

[jacknap]

my sleep has been great past 2 days. niacinamide 500mg, melatonin 3mg rotate, alibizia, ziziphus, l-theanine, phenibut 1-2 a week. Glad the lower dose niacinamie works just as well because scarfing 6 pills is redic. haven't gotten the powder in the mail yet hopefully didn't get lost in customs or something. Like that it's a dirt cheap solution.

the sun lamp I think finally started working. my energy has been very very good. like energy I had when I was 22(my peak energy) think it helps with mood/energy/ rhythm. I use it at the same time every day for 30-40 minutes.

My sleep now has just been wake up once after 5 hours then fall asleep again after pee and 20 minutes for another 3-4 hours :). very similar to how I was pre pfs

now just gotta get my monsterrrr libido back and hope sleep sticksss

I'm thinking not even let myself ejaculate for like 90 days. Because when I did no ejaculation my libido was monster and I liked what it did for my drive. Not cumming sucks but the extra drive was insane. Went to a swingers club and fucked 5 new girls with my friends with benefits on the 7th day of no cumming LOL. Even pre-pfs I doubt I could do that many rounds in 3-4 hours if I let myself cum everytime. Maybe though cuz that's insane novelty. Hope you guys are okay with hoeness. I'm kinda addicted to sex clubs right now LOL

[jacknap]

sleep still really good. like 90%+ pre pfs 3rd day in. sun lamp game changer probably. use it same time everyday :)

now just gotta get my libido back if sleep sticks and I'll consider myself basically recovered.

was with a 20 year old I picked up at the gym and was rock hard and then got booty called by a 30 year old and my dick couldn't get hard for the 30 year old lol. PFS is forcing me to only chase younger women XD

[Master Mal]

Jacknap, I salute you on your sexual exploits. I wish I had your stamina, but I doubt I could have sex with 5 girls without getting off. What's your secret?

[jacknap]

Jacknap, I salute you on your sexual exploits. I wish I had your stamina, but I doubt I could have sex with 5 girls without getting off. What's your secret?

just when i'm close to coming like needing just 30 seconds more of pumping I just stop and do something different. eat her out / switch positions.

it's always been something i've been good at. now just sometimes I can't get hardness of erections/lasting erections that I did before though. but most of the time I do now

[jacknap]

I'm thinking of carb backloading everyday. Even not training days. I notice days I do it my libido is higher. i'm greek ancestry so it makes sense that I'd do better with more carbs. it's in the climate. people who vouch for keto tend to be northern european so you guys don't have as much carbs available.

[jacknap]

yeah so day 2 of adding more carbs (sorghum, citrus juice, white rice with meat) and coicidently have high libido today. got spontaneous erection while eating sorghum seeds in my salad lol

[jacknap]

yeah so higher carbs I think spikes my libido. carb backloading even on non-lift days it seems. Woke up with good libido today. I havent been able to test it with sex yet though. maybe 70% though? still feels numb tho

[jacknap]

I'm off my 4th cycle now. back to herbs. was in a down swing early in the week and now seems like an upswing. my libido is up. feels very close to normal yesterday. might've been because of catauba / sensitive to all the herbs again after months off. was able to have sex twice in span of 3 hours and rock hard erections. still need to eat the girls out a bit to get fully hard and blowy but still pretty awesome. woke up today with libido too.

my sleep is some times sketchy. I get the first 6 hours fine then the last 2-3 hours are stubborn. if I just lay there for 30mins to an hour though I can usually get 1.5 hours more so total 7.5 which is pretty good. on phenibut days I often can get 9 and feel great. upswing so I'm optimistic right now. I kept my mouth shut for once during the down swing cause I know usually they last 2 weeks. this time it only last for 1 week.

[jacknap]

just an update I'm doing really well right now. I've been practicing edging though even for sex. Though I let myself have an orgasm last night. It helps keep my libido to satisfactory levels. Now just testing what limit is. Might just keep it to two orgasms a week

my sleep has been really good finally and I barely take anything for it now. I rotate alibizia, ashwagandha, l-theanine, niacinamide, phenibut for sleep to keep tolerance at bay for all of them.

mentally pretty much back to myself. I'm actually super aggressive like I used to be and get annoyed at people being stupid LOL.

Physically my face looks back to normal but sometimes still look very haggard. over a year of not sleeping well would do it to you but hopefully now that my sleep is good will stick.

Might just be an upswing but right now I'd say i'm 95%. if this level of recovery sticks for a month or two I'd probably write a recovery post. Though my libido might not be that close to 100% yet

[jacknap]

slept 9.5 hours last night. just woke up once for 2 minutes to pee. I got the drowziness back that I used to have. woooohoo feels so good to have my sleep back. hope it sticks.

had sex last night with an orgasm and definitely lowered my libido a bit so I'll think I'll stick to once a week orgasm for now.

[Cdsnuts]

Sweet!!

You're starting to reap major rewards. You will be sweetly rewarded for your diligence. Happy times ahead.

You've done great man.

[jacknap]

thanks CD. sleep slipped a bit last night but still 7 hours :) (my ideal is 9 tho)

[Cdsnuts]

thanks CD. sleep slipped a bit last night but still 7 hours :) (my ideal is 9 tho)

No biggie. You can know you are out of the woods now and the worst is behind you. It's all good from here on out.

[jacknap]

down swing again but the last upswing was fantastic very close to normal. couldn't get it up during a foursome but then could after with an asian girl even tho the girls in four some were objectively hotter. weird stuff. but the dick dont lie i guess lol

still the upswings are getting better and the downswings not as bad either

[Cdsnuts]

down swing again but the last upswing was fantastic very close to normal. couldn't get it up during a foursome but then could after with an asian girl even tho the girls in four some were objectively hotter. weird stuff. but the dick dont lie i guess lol

still the upswings are getting better and the downswings not as bad either

A foursome? You and three women?

[Master Mal]

down swing again but the last upswing was fantastic very close to normal. couldn't get it up during a foursome but then could after with an asian girl even tho the girls in four some were objectively hotter. weird stuff. but the dick dont lie i guess lol

still the upswings are getting better and the downswings not as bad either

Ha! Seriously dude, how does this stuff keep happening to you??

[Cdsnuts]

Ha! Seriously dude, how does this stuff keep happening to you??

One word. Game.

[jacknap]

no it was me a guy a two girls (we're straight we just swapped girls). I go to a sex club so it's just generally more slutty people. Use game to get a few friends with benefits and then trade them in for other girls there lol. wife swapping if you will.

for cold showers how long is it generally recommended? 1 minute? 2 minute? 3 minute? I've gone as long as 5 minutes but it's waaaaaaaaaay harder here in toronto. super cold climate the pipes are literally frozen and burns my head with cold lol. So i've just been doing 1 minute. In the summer 5 minutes is refreshing.

[DrivenToRecover]

no it was me a guy a two girls (we're straight we just swapped girls). I go to a sex club so it's just generally more slutty people. Use game to get a few friends with benefits and then trade them in for other girls there lol. wife swapping if you will.

for cold showers how long is it generally recommended? 1 minute? 2 minute? 3 minute? I've gone as long as 5 minutes but it's waaaaaaaaaay harder here in toronto. super cold climate the pipes are literally frozen and burns my head with cold lol. So i've just been doing 1 minute. In the summer 5 minutes is refreshing.

Sex club??

One word. Canada. lol

[Cdsnuts]

no it was me a guy a two girls (we're straight we just swapped girls). I go to a sex club so it's just generally more slutty people. Use game to get a few friends with benefits and then trade them in for other girls there lol. wife swapping if you will.

for cold showers how long is it generally recommended? 1 minute? 2 minute? 3 minute? I've gone as long as 5 minutes but it's waaaaaaaaaay harder here in toronto. super cold climate the pipes are literally frozen and burns my head with cold lol. So i've just been doing 1 minute. In the summer 5 minutes is refreshing.

I know I sound like a broken record, but you should capitalize on your knowledge in this area man....seriously. It takes alot to get my attention with most things, but with sex.....come on man, who doesn't want to be as good as they can in this arena. I'm sure the stories alone would be more then amusing. Maybe we can start you out with a little sub section here? Lay out some general mechanics of pick up, techniques, etc. Lol. It'll give these guys something more to work for!!!

I guess like anything, you get comfortable with experience, but seeing another dude at full mast would weird me out in the beginning. Switching girls....I think you should share more stories here Jacknap.....lol. Like, what happens if the other dude that's with you is packing a horse cock? Most guys would get in their heads about that. Like when it came time to switch and the girl goes from a soda can to a toilet paper roll, the dude would feel emasculated. Or is everyone in those clubs really open to everything?

Depending on the season, For you in the Canadian winter, a minute or two is sufficient to get the reaction you want. Thing is, if you can stay longer, then do it. The more you practice the longer you're going to be able to be exposed thus increasing the benefits.

Whatever you do, don't give yourself a negative reaction by forcing yourself to stay in when you feel something is off.

[jacknap]

ooo baby slept 10 hours straight last night on just l-theanine lol. <3

busted two nuts in span of 4 hours. I'd say I'm over 90-100% now if this sticks. Doing 5th cycle of andro in february anyways so might get to dat 110% ya feel me ;)

only thing that I have that never goes away though is twitch in my jaw. weird. might not even be pfs related though.

I think the sun light I got really helps with sleep / recovery. should probably be added to the protocol. Canada has really shit sun during the winter months so it's a game changer for me.

dick sometimes does feel numbish but could also just be overly paying attention to my dick.. don't think Ithought about how it felt down there prior to pfs lol

[Cdsnuts]

ooo baby slept 10 hours straight last night on just l-theanine lol. <3

busted two nuts in span of 4 hours. I'd say I'm over 90-100% now if this sticks. Doing 5th cycle of andro in february anyways so might get to dat 110% ya feel me ;)

only thing that I have that never goes away though is twitch in my jaw. weird. might not even be pfs related though.

I think the sun light I got really helps with sleep / recovery. should probably be added to the protocol. Canada has really shit sun during the winter months so it's a game changer for me.

dick sometimes does feel numbish but could also just be overly paying attention to my dick.. don't think Ithought about how it felt down there prior to pfs lol

I have a whole page dedicated to sun exposure as it is part of the protocol. VERY important

[jacknap]

I have a whole page dedicated to sun exposure as it is part of the protocol. VERY important

yeah we got no sun in Toronto during the winter though so sun lamp is a cheeky substitute haha

[zardoz]

ooo baby slept 10 hours straight last night on just l-theanine lol. <3

busted two nuts in span of 4 hours. I'd say I'm over 90-100% now if this sticks. Doing 5th cycle of andro in february anyways so might get to dat 110% ya feel me ;)

only thing that I have that never goes away though is twitch in my jaw. weird. might not even be pfs related though.

I think the sun light I got really helps with sleep / recovery. should probably be added to the protocol. Canada has really shit sun during the winter months so it's a game changer for me.

dick sometimes does feel numbish but could also just be overly paying attention to my dick.. don't think Ithought about how it felt down there prior to pfs lol

Jacknap do you work with/use you computers a lot?

My sleep has improved a lot since I started wearing blue light filtering glasses when looking at screens. I'd recommend them if you need a little boost for your messed up sleep pattern. Sounds like you're almost there though.

[jacknap]

Jacknap do you work with/use you computers a lot?

My sleep has improved a lot since I started wearing blue light filtering glasses when looking at screens. I'd recommend them if you need a little boost for your messed up sleep pattern. Sounds like you're almost there though.

I use flux and night mode on iphone. I also yeah used blue blockers from even before pfs thanks tho

[jacknap]

is anything on cd nuts protocol or anything in general a blood thickener?

I've been having some weird 'heart tightening feeling' and I went to get quarterly STI test and my blood was super thick... one of the herbs maybe? I do megadose a lot of them.

[jacknap]

still feeling pretty damn good but having some strange ball pain. similar to the pain I had before I crashed... maybe balls coming back online?

I got an STI test I don't have anything lol.

[jacknap]

starting r-andro 5th cycle. I have enough for 600mg so wanna try it. is there anything that's healthy that boosts estrogen to prevent estrogen crash? perhaps schizandra once a week? I like to swtich it up. I've done 3 400mg r-andros and one 400 with 200 4 andro. 4 andro too suppressive for me so fuck that

the few times i bumped up to 600mg tho felt incredible and I might need that to take me over the edge because I think I was a high dht guy. was always a bit evil, crazy sex drive, ambitious but lazy, lean but cut and super high strength to weight ratio.

[Maxout777]

starting r-andro 5th cycle. I have enough for 600mg so wanna try it. is there anything that's healthy that boosts estrogen to prevent estrogen crash? perhaps schizandra once a week? I like to swtich it up. I've done 3 400mg r-andros and one 400 with 200 4 andro. 4 andro too suppressive for me so fuck that

the few times i bumped up to 600mg tho felt incredible and I might need that to take me over the edge because I think I was a high dht guy. was always a bit evil, crazy sex drive, ambitious but lazy, lean but cut and super high strength to weight ratio.

Warning on running 600mg for a long time, I really felt great but my blood pressure, heart rate, low estrogen, and receding/bleeding gums made me drop out. Keep an eye on it. More is not always better.

[jacknap]

Warning on running 600mg for a long time, I really felt great but my blood pressure, heart rate, low estrogen, and receding/bleeding gums made me drop out. Keep an eye on it. More is not always better.

yeah I know you warned me before lol. How deep into 600 did you start getting the bad sides? 600 feels better for me then 400 so far. I've done 600 for a week before until u and cd warned me but I feel like trying something new. the gum thing I had on my first cycle for a bit but now I don't get it. thinking maybe I have some tolerance

tubzy used to go up to 900 lol

[jacknap]

libido was a bit lower today. it was deadlift day though and I also lowered my caffeine intake.

I wonder which of the two was the culprit.

was thinking as a natural lifting heavy sucks of all free T to be used for libido. that's one of my theory

but also the higher dose coffee more dopamine more arousal.

I did have ED waaaay back in 2014 when I went cold turkey off coffee at one point. so interesting thing. I had a weird libido ive mentioned many times here where it was high, yet sensitive.

[Maxout777]

yeah I know you warned me before lol. How deep into 600 did you start getting the bad sides? 600 feels better for me then 400 so far. I've done 600 for a week before until u and cd warned me but I feel like trying something new. the gum thing I had on my first cycle for a bit but now I don't get it. thinking maybe I have some tolerance

tubzy used to go up to 900 lol


About two weeks in I’d say. Just keep an eye on it and be aware of it incase it turns on you midway into it.

[jacknap]

About two weeks in I’d say. Just keep an eye on it and be aware of it incase it turns on you midway into it.

yeah maybe i'll just drop it to 400 again and then just do a longer cycle of 600. I got not time to stress about bad sides anymore LOL. thanks for the second warning bro

cant stand another drop in libido but dealing with that shit tooooo long for a dude in his 20s

don't really notice much of a difference yet from 600 vs. 400 so save money lol

4 andro combo was delicious but the 3 weeks suppression after sucked a fat dick / gave me anxiety so probably not going that rode again

[zardoz]

yeah maybe i'll just drop it to 400 again and then just do a longer cycle of 600. I got not time to stress about bad sides anymore LOL. thanks for the second warning bro

cant stand another drop in libido but dealing with that shit tooooo long for a dude in his 20s

don't really notice much of a difference yet from 600 vs. 400 so save money lol

4 andro combo was delicious but the 3 weeks suppression after sucked a fat dick / gave me anxiety so probably not going that rode again

You ever get suppression on R Andro alone or was it just when you stacked it? I'm always pleasantly surprised on how few sides people seem to report.

[jacknap]

You ever get suppression on R Andro alone or was it just when you stacked it? I'm always pleasantly surprised on how few sides people seem to report.

yeah I get almost no sides with r andro only 4 andro gave me sides.

my first cycle tho I had some gum pain for first 2 weeks but don't get that anymore. Makes me a bit worried that the newer stuff I get isn't as potent though lol probably fine tho

[jacknap]

3 weeks andro cycle.

Feeling pretty good. I got a really hot russian girl 18 year old that I'm dating and she wants to fuck all the time lmao like her loads but keeping it open because I'm really enjoying the game right now. She's cool with it for now. I'm 28 love me the youngin's

Sleep and libido are main dodgy issues that come and go but the lows aren't that low and I have a looooooooot of sex now like 7+ times a week usually.

Not even sure if I can say I'm recovered or not. There are many days where I'm 100%. Going to reass at the 2 year anniversery of my crash June 2019 and maybe stop taking anything to just see where I'm at but the protocol is so fun for me and in some ways I'm better then I was before I crashed :)

thought I'd give a positive update because I have propensity to just come on here when I'm in a downswing and need moral support haha

[jacknap]

debating whether to hop off andro cycle or not. I've done 4 weeks so far. first 10 days or so I did 600mg but my joints are a bit stiffish mostly just behind my right knee

libido is decent but thinking get out while i'm ahead to avoid crushing estrogen. thing is doesn't seem to getting worse either just stabilized that stiff right knee which is a pain in the ass for sprints / squats but still doable.

[jacknap]

my joint is still stiff as fuck but libido or anything hasn't gotten worse yetthink

I think I did only like 6-10 days at 600mg though


think I should power through last 2 weeks and maybe even dial down to 200mg?

thinking dial down to 200mg for last 2 weeks (did 4 week cycle)

it's not terrible just right knee joint is stiff as fuck lol it does help when I stretch it out a bit too

[jacknap]

I have to probably take a month off all supplements / phenibut but I'd say given like the past 2-3 weeks I'm basically recovered.

95-110% oscillation. A little under a year since crashing (crashed June 2). Will wait it out a bit before I make a recovery post. I have some relatively benign things that linger. For example I still have like one morning wake that I didn't used to have before but I quickly fall back asleep and sometimes my dick feels a bit numb (but I think I might just be overly paying attention to the way my dick feels lol)

really happy and I feel like I came back from the dead. thanks for everyone for helping me on my journy. namely cdnuts and maxout. read everything these guys have to say and just stay on the path.

I questioned recovery but I just did what I had to do cuz the time will pass anyways. read everything and maxout posted on here 2-3 times and don't expect to be spoon fed and be lazy because the truth is no one cares about you as much as you do so be your own best friend and do it up.

I go to sex clubs and I'm one of the top 3-5 guys in terms of sex drive there. Shit works to take you to recovery and beyond. In ways i'm actually thankful I crashed. Learned about cool things, learned about who was truly my friend, learned about how my parents are, makes me grateful for my life even more everyday. Learned about how fucked the medical system is. Just made me an overall more bad ass person. And hell didn't really damage me too much because I'm 28 and people still think I look early 20s.

I have an open relationship with a 10/10 Russian 18 year old and I make her cum silly. She thought I was 21 when we first met. Life is good. Thank you so much cd. Consider this kinda an informal recovery post. If I end up going to Greece this summer will probably take a month off of herbs etc. so will be able to make a true recovery post.

Ricardo has me on facebook and sees how I'm having a great time in life haha.

[RickTheRuler]

Congrats.. & yes wait it out .. & when your ready experiment with drugs, booze, & being off supplements.. then you’ll know.. & when you know, hop back on the protocol.. you owe it to yourself to be a 200% man.. you know how it is to not have your vitality, cherish that shit, & take it to new heights, don’t settle for 100% now. Try to be a superhuman.

[Cdsnuts]

I have to probably take a month off all supplements / phenibut but I'd say given like the past 2-3 weeks I'm basically recovered.

95-110% oscillation. A little under a year since crashing (crashed June 2). Will wait it out a bit before I make a recovery post. I have some relatively benign things that linger. For example I still have like one morning wake that I didn't used to have before but I quickly fall back asleep and sometimes my dick feels a bit numb (but I think I might just be overly paying attention to the way my dick feels lol)

really happy and I feel like I came back from the dead. thanks for everyone for helping me on my journy. namely cdnuts and maxout. read everything these guys have to say and just stay on the path.

I questioned recovery but I just did what I had to do cuz the time will pass anyways. read everything and maxout posted on here 2-3 times and don't expect to be spoon fed and be lazy because the truth is no one cares about you as much as you do so be your own best friend and do it up.

I go to sex clubs and I'm one of the top 3-5 guys in terms of sex drive there. Shit works to take you to recovery and beyond. In ways i'm actually thankful I crashed. Learned about cool things, learned about who was truly my friend, learned about how my parents are, makes me grateful for my life even more everyday. Learned about how fucked the medical system is. Just made me an overall more bad ass person. And hell didn't really damage me too much because I'm 28 and people still think I look early 20s.

I have an open relationship with a 10/10 Russian 18 year old and I make her cum silly. She thought I was 21 when we first met. Life is good. Thank you so much cd. Consider this kinda an informal recovery post. If I end up going to Greece this summer will probably take a month off of herbs etc. so will be able to make a true recovery post.

Ricardo has me on facebook and sees how I'm having a great time in life haha.

Great post.

And you're very welcome my friend.

Just keep slayin em.....lol

[Ridd]

stoked for you man, you've finally made it. our journeys were closely related on a timeline scale, glad you see the light. i've not been bad myself, not quite there yet but i'll be up in that rec section with ya one day. also, i'm pretty damn sure I saw a video on youtube that must've been made by you. keep it up bud, have your fun but keep yourself balanced bro! stay away from the blow

[Maxout777]

Congrats my man, you deserve it. Couldn’t be happier for you.

[Trump_1776]

I have to probably take a month off all supplements / phenibut but I'd say given like the past 2-3 weeks I'm basically recovered.

95-110% oscillation. A little under a year since crashing (crashed June 2). Will wait it out a bit before I make a recovery post. I have some relatively benign things that linger. For example I still have like one morning wake that I didn't used to have before but I quickly fall back asleep and sometimes my dick feels a bit numb (but I think I might just be overly paying attention to the way my dick feels lol)

really happy and I feel like I came back from the dead. thanks for everyone for helping me on my journy. namely cdnuts and maxout. read everything these guys have to say and just stay on the path.

I questioned recovery but I just did what I had to do cuz the time will pass anyways. read everything and maxout posted on here 2-3 times and don't expect to be spoon fed and be lazy because the truth is no one cares about you as much as you do so be your own best friend and do it up.

I go to sex clubs and I'm one of the top 3-5 guys in terms of sex drive there. Shit works to take you to recovery and beyond. In ways i'm actually thankful I crashed. Learned about cool things, learned about who was truly my friend, learned about how my parents are, makes me grateful for my life even more everyday. Learned about how fucked the medical system is. Just made me an overall more bad ass person. And hell didn't really damage me too much because I'm 28 and people still think I look early 20s.

I have an open relationship with a 10/10 Russian 18 year old and I make her cum silly. She thought I was 21 when we first met. Life is good. Thank you so much cd. Consider this kinda an informal recovery post. If I end up going to Greece this summer will probably take a month off of herbs etc. so will be able to make a true recovery post.

Ricardo has me on facebook and sees how I'm having a great time in life haha.

I've been holding off for more time under my belt as well, but this upswing I'm in has broken through a barrier. Again still too early and I'm not ready to pronounce my recovery yet, but in the back of my mind when you know you know.
Been like a year, year and a half or so for myself.

Good to hear about you man. I don't want to hear about any STDs from you. Good luck.

[jacknap]

stoked for you man, you've finally made it. our journeys were closely related on a timeline scale, glad you see the light. i've not been bad myself, not quite there yet but i'll be up in that rec section with ya one day. also, i'm pretty damn sure I saw a video on youtube that must've been made by you. keep it up bud, have your fun but keep yourself balanced bro! stay away from the blow

yeah I made a warning video on ru58841 when i was like 80% recovered as a warning to stay away for people having second thoughts.

One of my friends used it too and got terrible sides even on TRT, luckily he didn't crash though.

haha blow wasn't really my drug of choice it was more modafinil for work, shrooms/lsd for creative work etc.

[jacknap]

cd and maxout specifically. I have like 1 and half bottles of andro left. I don't think I want to or need to cycle anymore but if I wanted to just do a cycle for fun and enhancement would running just like 100mg for 60 days be good enough? Cuz isn't even 100mg superphysiiological anyways?

[Maxout777]

cd and maxout specifically. I have like 1 and half bottles of andro left. I don't think I want to or need to cycle anymore but if I wanted to just do a cycle for fun and enhancement would running just like 100mg for 60 days be good enough? Cuz isn't even 100mg superphysiiological anyways?

I would run 200mg a day for thirty before I did 100 for 60. But that’s just me. I don’t know if you had the same experience I did, but since I recovered, after the first few weeks of running R Andro, I start feeling like shit.

[basementdweller]

cd and maxout specifically. I have like 1 and half bottles of andro left. I don't think I want to or need to cycle anymore but if I wanted to just do a cycle for fun and enhancement would running just like 100mg for 60 days be good enough? Cuz isn't even 100mg superphysiiological anyways?

If you want to sell it, I'm going to be in toronto this month

[jacknap]

I would run 200mg a day for thirty before I did 100 for 60. But that’s just me. I don’t know if you had the same experience I did, but since I recovered, after the first few weeks of running R Andro, I start feeling like shit.

why that dose and duration in your opinion tho?

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If you want to sell it, I'm going to be in toronto this month

I want to run it probably in july. how long u staying in toronto for?

[jacknap]

tonight will be interesting as fuck. I had a fuck buddy before I crashed a year before 2016 and seeing her tonight. I asked her before she sees me to take not if she notices any differences between me then and now (besides being 3 years older probably aged a bit haha) I doubt she'll notice much of a difference but will be interesting!!! My friends at a wedding who didn't see me for a while didn't notice a difference (now that I consider myself recovered).

[jacknap]

tonight will be interesting as fuck. I had a fuck buddy before I crashed a year before 2016 and seeing her tonight. I asked her before she sees me to take not if she notices any differences between me then and now (besides being 3 years older probably aged a bit haha) I doubt she'll notice much of a difference but will be interesting!!! My friends at a wedding who didn't see me for a while didn't notice a difference (now that I consider myself recovered).

ok so we hung out all night! She had only good things to say. She said that I lost fat and I'm more lean (especially on the waist, my waist more tapered probably from the prohormones)

she also basically said my sex skills improved a lot! nothing negative then and only positive I've basically become a better person then when I was seeing her. AWESOME

she said my eyes look clearer and more resolute too. damn.

[Cdsnuts]

ok so we hung out all night! She had only good things to say. She said that I lost fat and I'm more lean (especially on the waist, my waist more tapered probably from the prohormones)

she also basically said my sex skills improved a lot! nothing negative then and only positive I've basically become a better person then when I was seeing her. AWESOME

she said my eyes look clearer and more resolute too. damn.

Congrats man. Those compliments never get old.

[jacknap]

Cdsnuts wanted your opinion on this. So the guy who I bought my 4-andro from and r-andro his paypal not working so he can't refund me (4 andro wouldnt go through) but r-andro is going through fine. Was thinking since he can't give me cash jsut to run another cycle but I don't really like using all the herbs anymore maybe like 10 of them and also I party hard. Do you think if I don't use many herbs and party hard etc. that I'll be suppressed after r-andro 8 week cycle or should it be fine?

[Cdsnuts]

Cdsnuts wanted your opinion on this. So the guy who I bought my 4-andro from and r-andro his paypal not working so he can't refund me (4 andro wouldnt go through) but r-andro is going through fine. Was thinking since he can't give me cash jsut to run another cycle but I don't really like using all the herbs anymore maybe like 10 of them and also I party hard. Do you think if I don't use many herbs and party hard etc. that I'll be suppressed after r-andro 8 week cycle or should it be fine?

I don't think I understand? Are you running the four or the R?

Why don't you like using the herbs?

[jacknap]

I don't think I understand? Are you running the four or the R?

Why don't you like using the herbs?

i'm just gunna run the r-andro if I get it. I like the herbs just money is tight so i'm sticking to my favourite ones which is about 10 of them. (the others ones I don't feel anything from) I used them while recovering of course but now that i'm recovering just sticking to ones that I actually feel a difference. so going from that to our last question you think I could get suppressed? I haven't at all so far 6 cycles deep just don't want to get cocky. (only 4andro gave me suppression that i felt)

my favs that I will probably use always money providing for ppl wondering

1) pine pollen powder/tincture
2) ashwa (always forget to use it cuz it tastes like chalk)
3) rhodiola
4) cordy
5) tongkat
6) triblus
7) mucana
8) butea
9) shizandra
10) cant remember the other one probably missed one and added one too
11) black maca gela

something like that

also CD I started a podcast so if you're interested wanna do one together? ricky heard the first one and liked it can link you. it was about game but also gunna interview musicans that i know and like too and/or anyone who i think is cool and has value to share. will just being audio probably and also chance to shoot the shit. u can vito if u dont like it or just clip parts too. i

[jacknap]

also for anyone following thread that is read to buy r-andro now could possibly ship it to you instead and just paypal me the money but I'd have to trust you as a poster I don't know a lot of the n00bs i'll see and if others vouch for you. was gunna sell to ricky but he's stocked for a while..

could use the cash and don't really want to keep doing cycles just want to build on natty but I'd rather run it then not run it and lose like 200$ cash lol naw sayn

not gunna give a discount though it's gunna be how much I paid for otherwise will run it if CD thinks i'll be fine

[freefl0w]

Hey man, how many r andro bottles do u have? Im thinking about buying it, paypal no probelm

[Cdsnuts]

i'm just gunna run the r-andro if I get it. I like the herbs just money is tight so i'm sticking to my favourite ones which is about 10 of them. (the others ones I don't feel anything from) I used them while recovering of course but now that i'm recovering just sticking to ones that I actually feel a difference. so going from that to our last question you think I could get suppressed? I haven't at all so far 6 cycles deep just don't want to get cocky. (only 4andro gave me suppression that i felt)

my favs that I will probably use always money providing for ppl wondering

1) pine pollen powder/tincture
2) ashwa (always forget to use it cuz it tastes like chalk)
3) rhodiola
4) cordy
5) tongkat
6) triblus
7) mucana
8) butea
9) shizandra
10) cant remember the other one probably missed one and added one too
11) black maca gela

something like that

also CD I started a podcast so if you're interested wanna do one together? ricky heard the first one and liked it can link you. it was about game but also gunna interview musicans that i know and like too and/or anyone who i think is cool and has value to share. will just being audio probably and also chance to shoot the shit. u can vito if u dont like it or just clip parts too. i

You'll be fine man. I haven't heard of anyone getting shut down from DHT based PH's since I've started doing this whole thing, which is going on almost a decade now already. That's not saying it's not possible, it's just saying based on my knowledge and experience, it's not likely.

Send me the link to the Pod cast, I'd like to check it out. I wouldn't be opposed to joining you on an episode or so.

[jacknap]

You'll be fine man. I haven't heard of anyone getting shut down from DHT based PH's since I've started doing this whole thing, which is going on almost a decade now already. That's not saying it's not possible, it's just saying based on my knowledge and experience, it's not likely.

Send me the link to the Pod cast, I'd like to check it out. I wouldn't be opposed to joining you on an episode or so.

i'm going to do 2 channels one is about game and one is gunna be mainstream one depending on content i'll upload to my music channel if it's not controversial and game one if it's controversial (game is primarily for alphas and aspiring alpha my music channel for everyone)

[jacknap]

CD and anyone else who thinks they have an idea

for cold showers is there even a point of doing it when it's like -10 outside? I live in toronto already cold as fuck walking to the subway station haha

cold showers in summer easy as pie but I feel like it's redundant in the winter. one thing I like about cold shower is it makes my face look great after because it tones down inflamattion but i'm pretty sure that being outside in cold does the exact same thing and it a certain point it's just too much stress on the system already

[Cdsnuts]

CD and anyone else who thinks they have an idea

for cold showers is there even a point of doing it when it's like -10 outside? I live in toronto already cold as fuck walking to the subway station haha

cold showers in summer easy as pie but I feel like it's redundant in the winter. one thing I like about cold shower is it makes my face look great after because it tones down inflamattion but i'm pretty sure that being outside in cold does the exact same thing and it a certain point it's just too much stress on the system already

Take a freezing cold shower for any length of time and see how much your cold weather tolerance goes up. You turn into a furnace....