This crashing period...

[Pageidol]

Ok, im just curious really...you guys on here, did you have this crash thing? They reckon its a 3-5 week period when these effects come in 100% proper? I was fine after saw palmetto not until taking fenugreek things went psycho which was 4 months later...

[Maxout777]

Ok, im just curious really...you guys on here, did you have this crash thing? They reckon its a 3-5 week period when these effects come in 100% proper? I was fine after saw palmetto not until taking fenugreek things went psycho which was 4 months later...

I had a steady decline while on Saw Palmetto.....took a break from it - improved a good bit over a month period (you can view my optimism on Propecia Help), and then crashed hard as hell and things went to shit until I did something about it.

[jacknap]

I took RU58841 April 24th once and full crashed June 2. So 4-5 weeks yeah.

basically 2 weeks of sides. 2 weeks of strong rebound from sides. 1 week yo-yo-yoing to sides and normal then boom. crash.

[Pageidol]

So obviously it got systematically with you. I remember i used nizoral 3 times and i was getting testicle pain and shrunken balls, those side effects only lasted about 5 days after using it, this was 2 and a half months before I crashed for good after fenugreek.

Maxout I never seemed to crash after sp, its all very strange. For 4 months after sp use i was fine apart from the nizoral blip

[jacknap]

I also used nizoral for about a year and a shampoo that had like 12 dht blockers including saw palmetto. Also minoxidil.

For sure crashed from RU58841 though as it was the only new variable and it hit me hard. The other stuff probably didn't help my case either, though.

[basementdweller]

I used fin for a month, 5 years ago and recovered fine from the sides. I also learned after inspection that a "sea vegetable" supplement I took on and off has saw palmetto in it.

It was azelaic acid that made me crash. I used it 10 days for a skin problem in the beginning of July and crashed severely 6 weeks after cessation.

[Durantia37]

I used fin for a month, 5 years ago and recovered fine from the sides. I also learned after inspection that a "sea vegetable" supplement I took on and off has saw palmetto in it.

It was azelaic acid that made me crash. I used it 10 days for a skin problem in the beginning of July and crashed severely 6 weeks after cessation.

Damn, there must be so many things that can give people "pfs." Makes me scared to ever take a medication again.

My crash story is more like Maxout's, btw. A gradual decline for a month or two, then a massive crash.

[Pageidol]

Interesting how different we all are are and how we respond differently to different things. Marvellous thing the human body but also a bitch when it goes the wrong way

[jimmyjonas]

Yes it is interesting man how these drugs effect us in different ways, at the end of the day they’re all poisons. I took fin for less than a week then boom it was like i took a sledgehammer to my balls lol and like an anesthetic shot you get from the dentist except in my junk, i stopped but things went downhill and stayed down, well that is until i got my improvements which have been very slowly but surely coming through.

[Cdsnuts]

I never crashed. Just steadily went down into hell one day at a time.

[xxLUK]

i was using minoxidil for 3 weeks, 2 weeks in i noticed feeling off and on the 3rd week i got off it. i had some yoyo feelings for a few weeks and i crashed hard, the crash was gradual and i could not pinpoint when it occurred

[ImpendingRecvry]

Interesting thread,

i don't know if i can list it as a crash, or if this is what you mean by crash, but after stopping the pill on summer of 2017 i spent 4 days unable to sleep looking up online the symptoms ( we all have been there) and then the 5th day i woke up with some sort of cold? Mind you it was the middle of the summer and i was cold, coughing and runny nose as well. This sort of cold was very very persistent. It took like a month to get better and when i did i jumped on the protocol with my water fasting.

[Pageidol]

hmm, funny you talk of flu-like symptons, they were very apparent when I was on saw palmetto, but thinking about it, I think it was more of an allergic reaction I was having to the herb, rather than a crash. I remember my throat being tight with a sniffly nose. I had aches in my nuts and brain fog but never crashed after sp.

This product guys use and rave about hcgenerate contains stinging nettle and fenugreek extract (DHT blockers). Now the reviews I read about this are fantastic. Its sported as the best herbal test boosting blend on the planet. Ive even trawled through all the reviews left on amazon for it and even the 1 star reviews, nobody mentions anything horrific, i.e hormonal crashes. This is well over 200 reviews. Yet I seemingly crash after fenugreek for 10 days, the whole things quite fucking bizarre tbh. I still wonder if im just suppressed after the massive spike in estrogen I had from the fenugreek which was very apparent. Im on the regiment regardless but I do wonder...

[ImpendingRecvry]

hmm, funny you talk of flu-like symptons, they were very apparent when I was on saw palmetto, but thinking about it, I think it was more of an allergic reaction I was having to the herb, rather than a crash. I remember my throat being tight with a sniffly nose. I had aches in my nuts and brain fog but never crashed after sp.

This product guys use and rave about hcgenerate contains stinging nettle and fenugreek extract (DHT blockers). Now the reviews I read about this are fantastic. Its sported as the best herbal test boosting blend on the planet. Ive even trawled through all the reviews left on amazon for it and even the 1 star reviews, nobody mentions anything horrific, i.e hormonal crashes. This is well over 200 reviews. Yet I seemingly crash after fenugreek for 10 days, the whole things quite fucking bizarre tbh. I still wonder if im just suppressed after the massive spike in estrogen I had from the fenugreek which was very apparent. Im on the regiment regardless but I do wonder...

This is was my case with propecia, stopped it due to sides, some sort of flue went on for a month where sides started getting worse the phycological factor (oh god i am doomed) of that time didn't help as well. I can't say i had a crash crash, but a steady decline.

I'm 6 months on the protocol and even though i can't say i'm near close to my "normal" pre fin state, mentally i am returning back to the guy i was, bacopa helps alot too. When i started feeling mental clarity i noticed that my temperature was elevated for a couple of days. The mental clarity is still here, my temparature went back to it's normal state. It seems my organism reacts on something good or bad as some sort of warning, i just didn't pay attention at it in the past.

I too believe i have high estrogen as well, due to the new found gyno and the fact that i have accumulated fat around my waist. I believe we have to keep on going, our system is trying to balance it out.

[Damn]

This is was my case with propecia, stopped it due to sides, some sort of flue went on for a month where sides started getting worse the phycological factor (oh god i am doomed) of that time didn't help as well. I can't say i had a crash crash, but a steady decline.

I'm 6 months on the protocol and even though i can't say i'm near close to my "normal" pre fin state, mentally i am returning back to the guy i was, bacopa helps alot too. When i started feeling mental clarity i noticed that my temperature was elevated for a couple of days. The mental clarity is still here, my temparature went back to it's normal state. It seems my organism reacts on something good or bad as some sort of warning, i just didn't pay attention at it in the past.

I too believe i have high estrogen as well, due to the new found gyno and the fact that i have accumulated fat around my waist. I believe we have to keep on going, our system is trying to balance it out.

I found some good ways to naturally control estrogen are: 1) with cruciferous veggies (i.e. cauliflower, broccoli and brussel sprouts). I eat a lot of riced cauliflower (in soup or with meat etc. on top) at night and in morning (sautéed with some onion in coconut oil as a hash). This helps reduce aromatization. Make sure you cook them very well to reduce negative effect on the thyroid and to ease digestion. 2) I also eat a good sized raw skin on carrot every day. There is a good amount of undigestible fiber in it that attaches to estrogen and flushes it out of the gut to minimize reuptake. There are a number of other things that are supposed to help (e.g. celery, red grapes, white mushrooms, etc.), but I have found these two the most effective to address estrogen symptoms when I get them (e.g. breast swelling & pain, water retention around waist, etc.) They are especially helpful as the testes start kicking in and producing T. I don't do pro-hormones, but may help on cycle for guys who are prone to aromatization.

[xxLUK]

Interesting thread,

i don't know if i can list it as a crash, or if this is what you mean by crash, but after stopping the pill on summer of 2017 i spent 4 days unable to sleep looking up online the symptoms ( we all have been there) and then the 5th day i woke up with some sort of cold? Mind you it was the middle of the summer and i was cold, coughing and runny nose as well. This sort of cold was very very persistent. It took like a month to get better and when i did i jumped on the protocol with my water fasting.

i literally had that also! i had a cold/stuffy nose that wouldnt go away for a month after realizing i crashed, very bizarre

[Pageidol]

I honestly drive myself mad trying to pin point in my head what actually caused my crash. It couldn’t have been sp if it was 4 months later, it must have been fenugreek which was the only think i took at that latter moment.

Sorry I know i sound like a broken record but fuck me it’s like a tape playing in my head trying to understand what actually caused it

[Cdsnuts]

I honestly drive myself mad trying to pin point in my head what actually caused my crash. It couldn’t have been sp if it was 4 months later, it must have been fenugreek which was the only think i took at that latter moment.

Sorry I know i sound like a broken record but fuck me it’s like a tape playing in my head trying to understand what actually caused it

It could have been either or regardless.

And you know the drill. You need to stop playing that fucking tape and either play nothing, or pick something else to listen to, so to speak.

[Holistic]

Never took fin pill, only sp and bunch of other natural stuff, In my head I thought that way I would dodge the fin bullet. 2.5 years forward and life got so busy I forgot to take the "hair stuff" I was not even conserned by it. A week later I found out that I could not get hard while showering, that day Started connecting the dots: the bullet got me without me even realizing.

[Cdsnuts]

Never took fin pill, only sp and bunch of other natural stuff, In my head I thought that way I would dodge the fin bullet. 2.5 years forward and life got so busy I forgot to take the "hair stuff" I was not even conserned by it. A week later I found out that I could not get hard while showering, that day Started connecting the dots: the bullet got me without me even realizing.

Did showering usually make you hard?

Jk....best jack off spot in the house.

[Holistic]

Did showering usually make you hard?

Jk....best jack off spot in the house.

Lol yeah it usually did and someday it will again.

[Cdsnuts]

Lol yeah it usually did and someday it will again.

Wow. So just the fact of being there, anticipating the stroking got you worked up?

And yeah...if it did in the past, it will again. You know what is necessary to get there.

[CSM25]

Steady decline. Removed, hellzone 100-300 days. Better later (fast etc). Yada yada yada.

1000% confidence and ability (still fucked up a lot in life tho) ---> 20 or 5% in 21 days. and 3mo in... less... and 1mo and 5mo off...
extremely strongly negative percentage? Best not to think about (for me, and also for others in similar pos'n).

I mean, how are you even supposed to accurately measure such a thing anyways? (Rhetorical).