Androland Round 2

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started my second cycle today 600mg daily. Still got the low appetite since sunday. Hopefully resolves soon so it doesn't cut into my gainzzz

slept decent last night only one 10 minute wake to piss. moving on uppp

[Cdsnuts]

started my second cycle today 600mg daily. Still got the low appetite since sunday. Hopefully resolves soon so it doesn't cut into my gainzzz

slept decent last night only one 10 minute wake to piss. moving on uppp

Like.....lol

[Maxout777]

Might wanna keep that near 400mg if you're running it solo. 600mg used to KILL my estrogen, and weeks into the cycle I would start feeling like total ass.

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Might wanna keep that near 400mg if you're running it solo. 600mg used to KILL my estrogen, and weeks into the cycle I would start feeling like total ass.

I think my estrogen is still pretty high. My face still didn't get completely normal after 1st cycle. Total ass in what way?

On my last run I felt 85-95% recovered. To the point where I partied HARD on new years lol.

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appetite back up today. almost TOO high I can't go a few hours without eating now lol.

got like a little shallow cough thing too so I probably got some kinda stomach flu or something. Not that big of a deal though.

I think I aromataze A LOT so I think this will be a better cycle. I remember the days in my first cycle i bumped to 600 like 5 times and liked it more.

[Cdsnuts]

To each their own.

I'm with Maxout on this one. That being said, if you're getting good results at 600mg and it's not making you feel like shit, then keep going.

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To each their own.

I'm with Maxout on this one. That being said, if you're getting good results at 600mg and it's not making you feel like shit, then keep going.

so far i really love it but it's only been 6 days... since u both think that i might drop back to 400 and i can save money that way too which is always good.

gunna be a tough call. I'm a pretty small guy tho 6' 167lbs so if 600mg tanks your estrogen I'd imagine it would obliterate mine too. Though I do think I aromatize A lot. my face puffyness improved a lot last cycle but than spiked up again after. maybe 25% improvement in baselne face wise tho..

maybe drop to 400 at first sign of sides? but by then it might be too late... hmm

[Cdsnuts]

so far i really love it but it's only been 6 days... since u both think that i might drop back to 400 and i can save money that way too which is always good.

gunna be a tough call. I'm a pretty small guy tho 6' 167lbs so if 600mg tanks your estrogen I'd imagine it would obliterate mine too. Though I do think I aromatize A lot. my face puffyness improved a lot last cycle but than spiked up again after. maybe 25% improvement in baselne face wise tho..

maybe drop to 400 at first sign of sides? but by then it might be too late... hmm

You can extend the cycle by staying lower for most of the cycle.

By the time you get sides, correct, it's too late to drop the dose.

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You can extend the cycle by staying lower for most of the cycle.

By the time you get sides, correct, it's too late to drop the dose.

k cool dropped down to 400 :) thanks for the forewarning maxout and cd

[Cdsnuts]

k cool dropped down to 400 :) thanks for the forewarning maxout and cd

Yeah..unfortunately that reaction is just due to this particular product, why, I have no idea.

I'm at the point now where I can only run it for a few weeks until it makes me feel shitty. So much so that I'm going to be searching for an alternative.

Never had that issue with superior products.

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have had a headache past 3 days... kinda reminds me of the headache i had before i crashed but during the testosterone surge where i felt good...


feels like my brain might be just soaking up the androgens that it's been starved of for so long cuz I also feel quite good and libido is up today. had a really nice bathmate session and bumped the time to 20 minutes. I also do a testicle massage which apparently is really good for sexual health too.

[Trump_1776]

I had some good libido boost during the first cycle, after it initially went down. Is this to be expected? What does this mean?

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I had some good libido boost during the first cycle, after it initially went down. Is this to be expected? What does this mean?

no idea but most guys experience ups and downs in symptoms. I'd imagine it's because our systems are trying to find balance and sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. eg) when we're sick we have terrible symptoms such as fatigue, stuffy nose, coughing etc. but that's actually the bodies attempt to destroy the virus or whatever is causing it ie) fatigue because energy is being realocated to fighting the virus rather and encourage you to rest.

I got pharma grade vitamin c for a really good price so gunna just gunna take 5grams in the am because from my reading vitamin c is almost always a good thing and good for the adrenals.

from my reading

1) it's great for immunity
2) good for testosteroe
3) good for lowering cortisol + adrenal health

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I know we gotta save it for pct but would it be cool to use ashwa/rhodiola once or twice a week on cycle? I appreciate the boost that both do for energy and sleep respectively.

[Cdsnuts]

I know we gotta save it for pct but would it be cool to use ashwa/rhodiola once or twice a week on cycle? I appreciate the boost that both do for energy and sleep respectively.

I wouldn't do the ashwaganda on cycle because you want to save it for afterwords. The rhodiola is okay though because that is more of a straight up adaptogen and not necessariy a T booster. Same can be said for other adaptogens. I'm sure it would be fine, but that is me just being more paranoid that I'd want it to work especially well after the cycle.

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anyone try this from liftmode? i'm really happy with their phenibut so I'd imagine their other products are the tits too... I'd imagine we should avoid until we consider ourselves recovered tho?

this one in particular looks interesting in moderation..
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[Cdsnuts]

anyone try this from liftmode? i'm really happy with their phenibut so I'd imagine their other products are the tits too... I'd imagine we should avoid until we consider ourselves recovered tho?

this one in particular looks interesting in moderation..
Buy Oleamide online (https://liftmode.com/calming/oleamide.html)

I never got much off of this.

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I never got much off of this.

interesting. it sounds powerful. if you're willing I'd like to hear your report on other products of theirs that you tried? :)

don't know if i said before but changed arginine to l-citruline and it's much better (I'm also further along in recovery too tho)

also on cycle I generally feel much better

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1545 ab gainz on cycle. I'm just gunna increase my lifts for shoulders a bit more and probably gunna keep weight i'm lifting at as it's a decently good level for my size and don't wanna risk injury by going any heavier. might want to add more in the future though not sure.

[Cdsnuts]

1545 ab gainz on cycle. I'm just gunna increase my lifts for shoulders a bit more and probably gunna keep weight i'm lifting at as it's a decently good level for my size and don't wanna risk injury by going any heavier. might want to add more in the future though not sure.

Look at them bitches!! Nice work brother.

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thanks cd.

really nice upswing this week. Averaged just one wake in 9 hours everyday and quickly go back to sleep. Wake up with diamond cutting hard erections and good libido. Hopefully this sticks with me and doesn't go away.

the one thing sexually that lags the most is response to visual stimuli. 95% of the time I'm able to have sex and get erections but for pornography (not that I watch a lot I generally avoid) i need to kinda warm myself up more. Whereas pre-pfs I would have a boner before I even saw the pornography.

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bit of a down swing past few days. libido down and had that wake half way into sleep where it was hard to fall back asleep. tired/wired feeling. so popped l-theanine which seems to do the trick for me that oh so familiar feeling.

before that though i was feeling great and to be honest i felt the best when i was doing 600mg andro that first week. goooot so aggressive like the way i used to when i was a lot younger even.

thing that's super annoying is the weird sensation in my head never goes away. all other symptoms though do fluctuate from better or worse and when it's an upswing i think everything is better face/sleep/libido/mood etc.

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down swing getting worse. sleep back to shit wake up exhausted. with those heart pains that went away.

doesn't help that my sister leaves her baby here for my parents to babysit and their crib is right next to my office... and she has another one on the way fml

I was hoping this deep into the protocol sleep issues wouldn't be a thing but if I can ever get back to normal i'll be forever greatful cuz life's a living hell at times with this condition.

edit; kinda cringe at my posts during down swing but feel better as I get my day going and cold showers suck but i feel much better after

[Cdsnuts]

down swing getting worse. sleep back to shit wake up exhausted. with those heart pains that went away.

doesn't help that my sister leaves her baby here for my parents to babysit and their crib is right next to my office... and she has another one on the way fml

I was hoping this deep into the protocol sleep issues wouldn't be a thing but if I can ever get back to normal i'll be forever greatful cuz life's a living hell at times with this condition.

edit; kinda cringe at my posts during down swing but feel better as I get my day going and cold showers suck but i feel much better after

You know the deal. That's the way it goes. Just go back and read some posts from when you were in an upswing to remind yourself.

And what do you mean "if you can ever get back to normal".....come on man. I know that's the downswing brain talking. Go read the recoveries when you're feeling like this or better yet, do a mega breathing session for an hour and then blast a cold shower for 3-5 minutes. That will DEFINITELY get your head in the right space.

As a matter of fact, I've been trying not to drink myself into oblivion on the weekends anymore. Saturday comes rolling around and me and the old lady will start knocking them back. Some times I drink just because it's the weekend.....not good or healthy. I really only want to do it anymore at parties or gatherings. It's amazing what a breathing session and a freezing cold shower will do to your thoughts.....

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You know the deal. That's the way it goes. Just go back and read some posts from when you were in an upswing to remind yourself.

And what do you mean "if you can ever get back to normal".....come on man. I know that's the downswing brain talking. Go read the recoveries when you're feeling like this or better yet, do a mega breathing session for an hour and then blast a cold shower for 3-5 minutes. That will DEFINITELY get your head in the right space.

As a matter of fact, I've been trying not to drink myself into oblivion on the weekends anymore. Saturday comes rolling around and me and the old lady will start knocking them back. Some times I drink just because it's the weekend.....not good or healthy. I really only want to do it anymore at parties or gatherings. It's amazing what a breathing session and a freezing cold shower will do to your thoughts.....

yeah when I get into a downswing i get super pessimistic. thanks CD. one thing that's really great for me is phenibut 1-2 times a week. The days I use it I'm able to sleep for like 11 hours (one or two brief wakes) but becuase of that I get like 6-7 sleep cycles and feel AMAZING. (average monophasic sleep is 5 cycles) so if I do it twice a week I get 4 extra cycles which usually patches up any down swing sleep nights.

the breathing really helped when I was getting panic attacks when i first crashed. it's more subtle now. the cold showers though are HUGE. Still super hard for me to do but I still do them and never stopped. (I used to do them before I got PFS too)

[Cdsnuts]

yeah when I get into a downswing i get super pessimistic. thanks CD. one thing that's really great for me is phenibut 1-2 times a week. The days I use it I'm able to sleep for like 11 hours (one or two brief wakes) but becuase of that I get like 6-7 sleep cycles and feel AMAZING. (average monophasic sleep is 5 cycles) so if I do it twice a week I get 4 extra cycles which usually patches up any down swing sleep nights.

the breathing really helped when I was getting panic attacks when i first crashed. it's more subtle now. the cold showers though are HUGE. Still super hard for me to do but I still do them and never stopped. (I used to do them before I got PFS too)

One thing that is amazing about the cold showers that I really love is the ability to create positive changes in the brain that carry over into EVERY other area of your life.

What I found helpful for myself was getting a water proof time that I keep in the shower. I set it for the amount of time I want to be exposed and I just DO IT, despite whatever the fuck my head is doing. I know that NO MATTER WHAT, I'm going to be in this cold water for the next minute or two, so I may as well just sack up and deal with it. Sometimes I would actually scream in anger, because I didn't feel like doing it that day for whatever reason....(this was in the earlier years)

I can tell you that EVERY single time I did it, I felt better about everything else in my life. Something so simple. That's fantastic that you stuck with it. Alot of guys don't. For me a cold shower after a breathing session is one of the most euphoric things you can naturally do.

Usually when you really don't feel like doing it is when you need to do it the most.

Just becareful with that phenibut man. I never had the ability to use it properly. (I have an addictive personality) Got myself into trouble more then once with that shit. Kratom too.

I don't fuck with it anymore because of that reason. For those who can use it properly though, it's a game changer for sure.

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originally posted this on hackstasis but for people who just post here

The main lingering symptoms I have



1) Sleep on average 90% (Typically I have 1-2 wakes and I'm able to get back to sleep after going to pee). Once in a while like once a week I'll wake up feeling tired and wired and it's a bit hard to get back to sleep.



2) Physically 90% ( My face still has water retention but some days it looks closer to normal + I'm about 8-10lbs from when I first crashed cuz I put on more mass and don't abuse coffee like I did pre-pfs). Also dark eye circles. Also got that numb feeling on my head still but it's pretty benign. Also heart flutters but I think that's cortisol stress from the often shitty sleep.



3) Sexual 66% (Can have sex consistently twice a week often more. Sometimes Erections aren't as hard as they used to be. And I can't be as much of manwhore as I used to be the girls have to be hotter and find it harder to get into older girls. Also takes a little warmup time. There have been many days though where my libido was like 100%. Especially during my first prohormone cycle and a bit into this one too. Was able to go more than one round 3x this month but only with girls I was very attracted too.



4) Mentally 97.5% (Pretty much back to normal mentally.. sometimes I have a tad of brain fog but that's almost completely gone.) Also energy is not as much as it used to but I think it's also a combo of not abusing coffee like I said for physical.



So overall 85% if u average that out but I'm thirsting for recovery so I can hit the coffee hard like I used too (with a bit more responsibility of course) and just get those diamond cutter erections/lust back because sex is extremely big part of my life and I dedicated so much time/energy getting good at getting it so it's shame to lose the ability so early in life lol.

I still do have down swings though as I say.

[mike26]

originally posted this on hackstasis but for people who just post here

The main lingering symptoms I have



1) Sleep on average 90% (Typically I have 1-2 wakes and I'm able to get back to sleep after going to pee). Once in a while like once a week I'll wake up feeling tired and wired and it's a bit hard to get back to sleep.



2) Physically 90% ( My face still has water retention but some days it looks closer to normal + I'm about 8-10lbs from when I first crashed cuz I put on more mass and don't abuse coffee like I did pre-pfs). Also dark eye circles. Also got that numb feeling on my head still but it's pretty benign. Also heart flutters but I think that's cortisol stress from the often shitty sleep.



3) Sexual 66% (Can have sex consistently twice a week often more. Sometimes Erections aren't as hard as they used to be. And I can't be as much of manwhore as I used to be the girls have to be hotter and find it harder to get into older girls. Also takes a little warmup time. There have been many days though where my libido was like 100%. Especially during my first prohormone cycle and a bit into this one too. Was able to go more than one round 3x this month but only with girls I was very attracted too.



4) Mentally 97.5% (Pretty much back to normal mentally.. sometimes I have a tad of brain fog but that's almost completely gone.) Also energy is not as much as it used to but I think it's also a combo of not abusing coffee like I said for physical.



So overall 85% if u average that out but I'm thirsting for recovery so I can hit the coffee hard like I used too (with a bit more responsibility of course) and just get those diamond cutter erections/lust back because sex is extremely big part of my life and I dedicated so much time/energy getting good at getting it so it's shame to lose the ability so early in life lol.

I still do have down swings though as I say.

Wow this really gives me encouragement.

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very nice deeeeep sleep last night. slept straight 7 hours. woke up to pee and then slept another 2 hours. (I used to sleep 9 hours of sleep daily yes I know excessive long sleeper haha)

also woke up with really good libido reminds me what a beast I was haha

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one thing that I have that seems to go away so not too worried about but I have a bit of a sting in my lower back like I pinched something.

I had it before like 2-3 years ago and it goes away if I left less weigh / recover from yoga.

so thinking of dropping the weight a little bit so hopefully it goes away. hope it's not anything to serious. not the worst thing in the world but sting is annoying. I haven't been doing foam rolling cuz I figured yoga would be enough.

[Cdsnuts]

very nice deeeeep sleep last night. slept straight 7 hours. woke up to pee and then slept another 2 hours. (I used to sleep 9 hours of sleep daily yes I know excessive long sleeper haha)

also woke up with really good libido reminds me what a beast I was haha

Sleep requirements differ by person. Some people naturally require less then others.

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Sleep requirements differ by person. Some people naturally require less then others.

yeah wish I had those genes that goes through sleep cycles uber fast.

another fantastic night of sleep last night.

was with a girl last night and she was amused by how delighted I was when I yawned. PFS people who recover are so thankful for drowsiness when it comes back haha

[Cdsnuts]

yeah wish I had those genes that goes through sleep cycles uber fast.

another fantastic night of sleep last night.

was with a girl last night and she was amused by how delighted I was when I yawned. PFS people who recover are so thankful for drowsiness when it comes back hahaAnd to this day I still think it's one of the sweetest feelings a human being can feel... I remember when it started coming back being surprised at how drug like it actually felt

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lol Bill Burr on Propecia right on

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lower back pain completely gone. day off did me good.

just did yoga again. gunna do same thing for monday and should be back at it friday. think i'm gunna lower my lifts by 10-50 pounds on squats and deads cuz I think i'm near my limit for my joints.

always good to take a week off for close calls. lose one week for a lifetime rather than push on and be out for months

[Damn]

lower back pain completely gone. day off did me good.

just did yoga again. gunna do same thing for monday and should be back at it friday. think i'm gunna lower my lifts by 10-50 pounds on squats and deads cuz I think i'm near my limit for my joints.

always good to take a week off for close calls. lose one week for a lifetime rather than push on and be out for months

I have been doing this 1 or 2 times a day for a few months...Back has never felt better.

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I have been doing this 1 or 2 times a day for a few months...Back has never felt better.

Powerful Posture and Pain Relief: 12 minutes of Foundation Training - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BOTvaRaDjI)

yeah all these moves are pretty much in the yoga that i do. thanks!

[Pageidol]

Your back ache, is it back pumps?

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what's back pumps? back is fine now. day off served me well. probably just muscle strain. lowering squats and deads by 20lbs should do the trick.

i want to lose 5-10lbs so i can get my chiseled jaw back (though this might be due to water retention as well). What's the most aggressive/healthy weight loss goal. 2 pounds a week? currently 171pounds wanna drop to like 160. my face looked excellent when i weighed 158

[Cdsnuts]

what's back pumps? back is fine now. day off served me well. probably just muscle strain. lowering squats and deads by 20lbs should do the trick.

i want to lose 5-10lbs so i can get my chiseled jaw back (though this might be due to water retention as well). What's the most aggressive/healthy weight loss goal. 2 pounds a week? currently 171pounds wanna drop to like 160. my face looked excellent when i weighed 158

Back pumps are typically induced by muscles locking up in the lower back while running certain prohormones. Typically a non issue with the PH's recommended here.

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nice sleep upswing.. I've had sex 5 nights in a row and one of the ladies said 'i'm the greatest lover she ever had' PFS or not so that was nice lol. Still not completely normal but very close. During upswings full recovery feels within reach.

only thing that's extremely stubborn is that numb head feeling. I realize when I get that pumping feeling in my head it might actually be manifesting in my jaw.. hard to say what it is maybe the initial crash gave me some sorta trauma which is making me unconsciousslessly clench part of my jaw or less dopamine in the brain to keep it in place. who knows. If I get everything back and still have that though I'd say Im better off than before cuz of all the new health changes I made from the protocol

[Cdsnuts]

nice sleep upswing.. I've had sex 5 nights in a row and one of the ladies said 'i'm the greatest lover she ever had' PFS or not so that was nice lol. Still not completely normal but very close. During upswings full recovery feels within reach.

only thing that's extremely stubborn is that numb head feeling. I realize when I get that pumping feeling in my head it might actually be manifesting in my jaw.. hard to say what it is maybe the initial crash gave me some sorta trauma which is making me unconsciousslessly clench part of my jaw or less dopamine in the brain to keep it in place. who knows. If I get everything back and still have that though I'd say Im better off than before cuz of all the new health changes I made from the protocol

You'll get it all back......for sure.

Where do you pull the chicks from? Do you use online sources such as tinder, etc.?

Also, where do you bring em? You still live at home, no?

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You'll get it all back......for sure.

Where do you pull the chicks from? Do you use online sources such as tinder, etc.?

Also, where do you bring em? You still live at home, no?

I just pull when no one is home or go to their place.

where i meet them depends on season in winter mostly online stuff and in spring clubs/in the day. I prefer day stuff but it's cold as fuck in Toronto so it's nice the weather is coming around and get to walk around. Girls in booty shorts and short skirts mmyeah lol.

sleep has improved but libido is lowish no morning wood past few days.

I think I miiiight be around the corner for recovery soon though I hope. maybe 1-3 more months.

my mood has improved so much too. experimented with some cardio in the forest by my house and I think it might be a true mood booster.. gunna try again today

[Cdsnuts]

I just pull when no one is home or go to their place.

where i meet them depends on season in winter mostly online stuff and in spring clubs/in the day. I prefer day stuff but it's cold as fuck in Toronto so it's nice the weather is coming around and get to walk around. Girls in booty shorts and short skirts mmyeah lol.

sleep has improved but libido is lowish no morning wood past few days.

I think I miiiight be around the corner for recovery soon though I hope. maybe 1-3 more months.

my mood has improved so much too. experimented with some cardio in the forest by my house and I think it might be a true mood booster.. gunna try again today

Seeing as I'm single now, I'm going to try some online apps once I get my bachelor pad set up. Looking forward to it. I've never been able to use those apps because I've been in a relationship, and I'm not a cheater. Some guys don't give AF....lol.

I'm assuming by cardio you're talking about HIIT?

Yeah, forrests, Oceans, etc are all loaded with positive ions. Great for the whole system. Nothing like taking in a nice deep breath in the forrest.....it's so invigorating, it's intoxicating.

I'm going to be doing some experimentation with grounding, which is a way to get those positively charged particles evened out in the system. There is a reason why you feel so good when you come home from a day at the beach. Not only are you getting jacked with vitamin D, but your barefoot on the earth, "grounding" yourself and balancing your bodies charge.

I've been doing alot of researching on it lately and the science behind it is solid.

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Seeing as I'm single now, I'm going to try some online apps once I get my bachelor pad set up. Looking forward to it. I've never been able to use those apps because I've been in a relationship, and I'm not a cheater. Some guys don't give AF....lol.

I'm assuming by cardio you're talking about HIIT?

Yeah, forrests, Oceans, etc are all loaded with positive ions. Great for the whole system. Nothing like taking in a nice deep breath in the forrest.....it's so invigorating, it's intoxicating.

I'm going to be doing some experimentation with grounding, which is a way to get those positively charged particles evened out in the system. There is a reason why you feel so good when you come home from a day at the beach. Not only are you getting jacked with vitamin D, but your barefoot on the earth, "grounding" yourself and balancing your bodies charge.

I've been doing alot of researching on it lately and the science behind it is solid.

tinder bumble okc badoo and pof are the best ones in that order imo.

I use a grounding pad I got from mercola. Used it before pfs too. I do an hour of grounding before bed while playing fifa with blue blockers on + comedy podcast. Been my bed time ritual of mine for years :)

[Cdsnuts]

tinder bumble okc badoo and pof are the best ones in that order imo.

I use a grounding pad I got from mercola. Used it before pfs too. I do an hour of grounding before bed while playing fifa with blue blockers on + comedy podcast. Been my bed time ritual of mine for years :)

How do you like the grounding pad?

And thanks for the recommendations.....lol

[DrivenToRecover]

Seeing as I'm single now, I'm going to try some online apps once I get my bachelor pad set up. Looking forward to it. I've never been able to use those apps because I've been in a relationship, and I'm not a cheater. Some guys don't give AF....lol.

I'm assuming by cardio you're talking about HIIT?

Yeah, forrests, Oceans, etc are all loaded with positive ions. Great for the whole system. Nothing like taking in a nice deep breath in the forrest.....it's so invigorating, it's intoxicating.

I'm going to be doing some experimentation with grounding, which is a way to get those positively charged particles evened out in the system. There is a reason why you feel so good when you come home from a day at the beach. Not only are you getting jacked with vitamin D, but your barefoot on the earth, "grounding" yourself and balancing your bodies charge.

I've been doing alot of researching on it lately and the science behind it is solid.

Are you on to Jack Kruse's stuff?

[Cdsnuts]

Are you on to Jack Kruse's stuff?

Never heard of him.

[DrivenToRecover]

Never heard of him.

Worth researching imo. I'd be curious to hear your opinion on some of his work. He's a neurosurgeon that's also into alternative health stuff as well. He discusses how our body runs off our engine plus our fuel. The fuel being food, and the main engine being our mitochondria.

He basically argues that we focus too much on optimizing our fuel (food) and not enough on optomizing mitochondrial health...That the perfect fuel in a shitty engine gets you nowhere. I've definitely connected with a good bit of what he says...I can rememer being a kid with boundless energy eating peanut butter sandwitches and doritos all day. Whereas now, I eat obsessively clean but with much lower energy. Obviously the fuel isn't the problem.

With pfs, it seems very logical that something as basic as optomizing energy function in every cell would be critically important. Especially for something where the body is ultimately healing itself.

Anyway, some of his main things that we need to optomize for our mitocondrial health are:

Optomizing circadian rythm/light exposure, Eliminating artificial blue light, Drinking the right kind of water, DHA, Cold exposure, Avoidance of EMF's, ect

[Cdsnuts]

Worth researching imo. I'd be curious to hear your opinion on some of his work. He's a neurosurgeon that's also into alternative health stuff as well. He discusses how our body runs off our engine plus our fuel. The fuel being food, and the main engine being our mitochondria.

He basically argues that we focus too much on optimizing our fuel (food) and not enough on optomizing mitochondrial health...That the perfect fuel in a shitty engine gets you nowhere. I've definitely connected with a good bit of what he says...I can rememer being a kid with boundless energy eating peanut butter sandwitches and doritos all day. Whereas now, I eat obsessively clean but with much lower energy. Obviously the fuel isn't the problem.

With pfs, it seems very logical that something as basic as optomizing energy function in every cell would be critically important. Especially for something where the body is ultimately healing itself.

Anyway, some of his main things that we need to optomize for our mitocondrial health are:

Optomizing circadian rythm/light exposure, Eliminating artificial blue light, Drinking the right kind of water, DHA, Cold exposure, Avoidance of EMF's, ect

I did use a Q-link, and still do when I'm sitting at my computer for long stretches.

Let me know if you guys think I should include it in my site.

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How do you like the grounding pad?

And thanks for the recommendations.....lol

I definitely notice a difference. It's kinda like it saps away cortisol and makes sleep a bit deeper

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Worth researching imo. I'd be curious to hear your opinion on some of his work. He's a neurosurgeon that's also into alternative health stuff as well. He discusses how our body runs off our engine plus our fuel. The fuel being food, and the main engine being our mitochondria.

He basically argues that we focus too much on optimizing our fuel (food) and not enough on optomizing mitochondrial health...That the perfect fuel in a shitty engine gets you nowhere. I've definitely connected with a good bit of what he says...I can rememer being a kid with boundless energy eating peanut butter sandwitches and doritos all day. Whereas now, I eat obsessively clean but with much lower energy. Obviously the fuel isn't the problem.

With pfs, it seems very logical that something as basic as optomizing energy function in every cell would be critically important. Especially for something where the body is ultimately healing itself.

Anyway, some of his main things that we need to optomize for our mitocondrial health are:

Optomizing circadian rythm/light exposure, Eliminating artificial blue light, Drinking the right kind of water, DHA, Cold exposure, Avoidance of EMF's, ect

there's a lot of research dollars going into mitochondria now. Dave Asprey is big on this too and has an excellent podcast.

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I definitely notice a difference. It's kinda like it saps away cortisol and makes sleep a bit deeper

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there's a lot of research dollars going into mitochondria now. Dave Asprey is big on this too and has an excellent podcast.

Okay...you're the second person I talked to that has one and has said it improves the quality of their sleep. I think it would be worth it for this reason alone. I'm sleeping well now, but if there is one thing I learned through all of this, is you don't know what you don't know.....you know? Lol.

I maybe able to sleep even better.

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Okay...you're the second person I talked to that has one and has said it improves the quality of their sleep. I think it would be worth it for this reason alone. I'm sleeping well now, but if there is one thing I learned through all of this, is you don't know what you don't know.....you know? Lol.

I maybe able to sleep even better.


yup even pre pfs when i used phenibut it made my sleep even DEEPER and the next day was phenomenal. performance enhancer in a way. same kinda deal with grounding pad. always been into optimization so the protocol wasn't too hard. hardest part was the fast for sure though but keeping my mind busy helped a lot. (though i know rest is optimal I have a restless mind)

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yup even pre pfs when i used phenibut it made my sleep even DEEPER and the next day was phenomenal. performance enhancer in a way. same kinda deal with grounding pad. always been into optimization so the protocol wasn't too hard. hardest part was the fast for sure though but keeping my mind busy helped a lot. (though i know rest is optimal I have a restless mind)

What is the make and brand of your mat?

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What is the make and brand of your mat?

i got mine from mercola.com

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i got mine from mercola.com

You use it nightly?

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You use it nightly?

yeah, unless I get home late and gotta rush to bed for sleep. I'd say like 80% of the time.

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yeah, unless I get home late and gotta rush to bed for sleep. I'd say like 80% of the time.

I like the idea of having one. Although now that summer is around the corner, I'll be getting plenty grounded for the next four months or so.

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I like the idea of having one. Although now that summer is around the corner, I'll be getting plenty grounded for the next four months or so.

grounding is most useful before bed tho I find no? helps lower inflamattion/destress before bed. You're really gunna go out in the dirt before bed? :P

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The sleep seems to be a strange one, for some it seems to be the first thing to come back and for others the last. Tempted to make a thread with regards to this

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I added taurine to my sleep stack and slept amazing the last two nights. Will make a post if results continue

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The sleep seems to be a strange one, for some it seems to be the first thing to come back and for others the last. Tempted to make a thread with regards to this

really? I feel like most people had theirs fixed way faster than mine.

tried glycine 20 grams and don't think it really helped. taurine didn't do anything for me either. really really strange.

I think andro helped me the most besides phen but not on cycle currently.

I still go 6 grams of glycine daily as that's the protocol but don't think i'm gunna keep doing 20 grams when I don't notice a difference and money is tight enough as it is.

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I dont thinks its the usual outcome but i have come across the ODD guy who got sleeo bk after everything else but I wouldn’t worry thats u mate, it’s certainly a very common denominator with all this, im pretty confident your sleeping will come good pretty sharpish, its already improved alot hasnt it?

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Edit sleep usually returns pretty sharpish mate so don’t worry bout it

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really? I feel like most people had theirs fixed way faster than mine.

tried glycine 20 grams and don't think it really helped. taurine didn't do anything for me either. really really strange.

I think andro helped me the most besides phen but not on cycle currently.

I still go 6 grams of glycine daily as that's the protocol but don't think i'm gunna keep doing 20 grams when I don't notice a difference and money is tight enough as it is.

I've read of guys going up to 60g of glycine at one shot.....might be worth a try to see.

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I've read of guys going up to 60g of glycine at one shot.....might be worth a try to see.

haha I'll give it a try! the amount of water I'll have to drink to get that down the hatch tho might get me waking up to piss a lot...

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haha I'll give it a try! the amount of water I'll have to drink to get that down the hatch tho might get me waking up to piss a lot...

Really? With 20 grams, it only takes me a mouth full. It comes out to be about a little more then half a shot glass of sand......lol

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Really? With 20 grams, it only takes me a mouth full. It comes out to be about a little more then half a shot glass of sand......lol

true. i usually swish like 10 grams at a time but could probably maneuver 20 at a time.

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true. i usually swish like 10 grams at a time but could probably maneuver 20 at a time.

From my days of dumping kratom powder down my gullet, 20mg's of sugar is nothing...lol

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From my days of dumping kratom powder down my gullet, 20mg's of sugar is nothing...lol

miligrams or grams? completely different lol

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miligrams or grams? completely different lol

My bad....GRAMS. lol