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Moonman
03-31-2018, 03:28 PM
I while back I had saved it as below...but I have a few questions to iron out before I start...
-Are the supplements listed below to be taken daily, without every cycling off for a bit?
-No one has done a liver cleanse at any point in this protocol? No coffee enemas every now and again?

If anyone can update me on this protocol or post links to updates that'd be cool. I think at one point I read you guys added in cold showers, meditation, and brushing?

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Diet and Exercise:
Water Fasting or Juicing. Try two weeks before starting any of the items below…
If this is too hard, try Intermittent fasting. A good book to read is "Engineering the Alpha Male".
Eat a Paleo diet and carb back load at night depending on your exercise plan
50 Foods that boost testosterone naturally: 30 Foods that Boost Testosterone Levels Naturally | Anabolic Men (http://anabolicmen.com/50-foods-that-boost-testosterone-levels/)
Avoid gluten, sugar and alcohol
Lift heavy weights three times per week
Do HIIT once per week at first, then go to twice per week
Whey Protein (1 gram per pound of body weight) This includes BCAA's

Supplements:
B complex (B2, B3, B6 and B12) I take the sublingual dissolving B12
Magnesium (Anxiety) (powder which dissolves in water is best)
Omega3's (Inflammation) 5grams daily, 3grams AM and 2grams PM (Get high quality with balanced DHA/EPA)
Zinc
Selenium
Rhodiola (fatigue)
Resveratrol
CoQ10
D3 (5000 to 10000 iu) daily
5HTP (mood)
L-Tryptophan (sleep)
Calcium D-Glucarate (removes excess estrogen)


Cycle (Prohormones) and T-Boosters 6 weeks

PHASE I: Prohormones:
Alpha Hard (DHT -This is a replacement for CDNuts AndroHard which is no longer available)
http://www.forerunnerlabs.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=7275
4x in the AM and 4x in the PM (directions say 3x twice daily, but this is underdosed compared to AndroHard)
HGHup
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/app/hghup.html
Promotes generation of 5ar and Androgen Receptors

Andro Factory Prohormone Stack (DHEA)
https://www.androfactory.com/product-p/bulk-up-lean-cut-focus.htm
Focus 1x daily
LeanCut 1x daily
BulkUp 3x daily (works best after you already have 60 days of workouts to add mass)

All of the AndroFactory items require 5ar in order to convert to downstream hormones because they are DHEA prohormones. Personally, I would recommend cycling Alpha Hard first, then PCT before using these because of our 5ar and Androgen receptor issues. These are designed for a serious weightlifting program and healthy diet for bodybuilding.

Natural T-Boosters:
These should be rotated daily to prevent the body from building a tolerance.
Tribulus Terrestris
Mucuna Pruriens
Tongkat Ali (LJ 100)
D-Aspartic Acid
Horny Goat Weed
Maca Root


PHASE II: PCT 4 weeks
The PCT stack I bought was recommended by CDNuts:
Wicked Supplements.com (Australia)

Note: Use an Aromatase Inhibitor during both phases to control estrogen.
Options:
Calcium D-Glucarate 2x a week
DIM 1x week
EstroX
Anastrazole (prescription)
Letrozole (prescription)


It appears the way I wrote it up was not clear on cycles or you wouldn't have asked this question....

1) AlphaHard+Tboosting+Prohormones+HGHup+AI are all in the same cycle

2) PCT+Tboosting+AI are all in the post cycle therapy (even if you dropped Tboosting, look at the ingredients in your PCT, there are already Tboosters incorporated in them). Obviously, the level of your T should be the guide to boost more or less.

Confusion happens because in the bodybuilding world, they are known to use STEROIDS which REQUIRE PCT.

The items listed in PFS protocol are PROHORMONES which are NON-methylated and do NOT impose the same tax burden on the liver as steroids or other prohormones. Additionally, Estrogen increases are not the same as compared to levels from TRT or Steroids. So it makes sense that CDNuts only used Calcium D-Glucarate. FYI, Broccoli is also an estrogen mopper.

If you get labs done, the important things to track are the Estrogen to Testosterone RATIO.
ie;
If T is low and E is mid range, the ratio is OUT of whack. People think their E is ok and aren't worried about it on labs but fail to realize that low T with normal E means the ratio is wacked.

Fausto Soares
03-31-2018, 05:28 PM
Today CDNUTS consider the herbs rotation as a good PCT ( after R-andro cycle), so, there is no need to use anything more than herbs. If DHT prohormone cause some supression, it is not so much, and herbs rotation fix it.

The recommended prohormone is R-andro from IML. Even prohormone is not necessary for the cure.

jacknap
03-31-2018, 06:33 PM
there's a lot of things that u listed there that aren't on protocol. read total male optimization site that's like 95% of the protocol only thing that isn't there is prohormones cycling which is in the sticky here. that's it.

Moonman
03-31-2018, 07:11 PM
Today CDNUTS consider the herbs rotation as a good PCT ( after R-andro cycle), so, there is no need to use anything more than herbs. If DHT prohormone cause some supression, it is not so much, and herbs rotation fix it.

The recommended prohormone is R-andro from IML. Even prohormone is not necessary for the cure.

And the herbs are rotated even while on R-Andro, correct?

Fausto Soares
03-31-2018, 09:48 PM
And the herbs are rotated even while on R-Andro, correct?

No, there is no need, just simple like below:

1-R-andro Cycle

2-Herbs Cycle


I would recommend (and CDNUTS too) rotate the herbs at first for at least 6 months before to jump on R-andro, this way your androgen receptors will be more "calibrated" to receive better the DHT.

Cdsnuts
04-01-2018, 08:14 AM
And the herbs are rotated even while on R-Andro, correct?

The whole protocol is listed on the site in my signature. Read it from the first page to the last. Then read the sticky section here. All of your questions will be answered.