Just come out of hospital...please help

[Pageidol]

Hiya guys look im in big trouble. I was doing really good. Ive now got massive problems! and im suicidal. I began taking magnesium everynight before bed and Great Lakes gelatin i think it is...for gut health. For 2 months. I just need to point out that this gelatine contains all kinds of amino acids that fuck with neurosteroids like glycine and l-glutamine. Alongside magnesium they affect nmda receptors along with gaba, serotonin and everything. Magnesium can upregulate gaba, glycine can increase serotonin. L-glutamine brain damage

Well over the last few weeks I began experiencing alot of problems climaxing which I have experienced in the past from ssris which got slowly worse(serotonin?) I then began slurring words, struggling to talk, dilated pupils, appetite gone, racing pulse...this then turned into massive panic attacks starting a week ago, massive parathesia in my legs, suicidal ideation 5 days with no sleep, heart rate was beating out my chest. Everytime i tried sleeping a lighting bolt would wake me up I spent 3 days in hospital.

These symptoms mirrored benzo withdrawal...identical! My dicks completely numb. Im fucking terrified. Im reading up on all these amino acids how they affect nmda receptors, neurotoxicity, excitory, gaba down regulation, up regulation, im reading benzo withdrawal, mdma damage, serotonin syndrome. I was doing great before supplementing magnesium oxide and this great lakes gelatin. Ive been reading about magnesium being a cns depressant.

Guys im fukin terrified. What the fuck have these supplements done to me?? I hope to god it’s transient but now I feel totally fucked and whatever issues I had from dht inhibition are completely blown out of the water with this.

Please help me. My dicks completely numb, ive never never had this before. If im truly fucked now, thats it, i was on the road out. Please tell me its transient or whatever. It mirrored identical to benzo withdrawal what happened to me.

[Maxout777]

Hiya guys look im in big trouble. I was doing really good. Ive now got massive problems! and im suicidal. I began taking magnesium everynight before bed and Great Lakes gelatin i think it is...for gut health. For 2 months. I just need to point out that this gelatine contains all kinds of amino acids that fuck with neurosteroids like glycine and l-glutamine. Alongside magnesium they affect nmda receptors along with gaba, serotonin and everything. Magnesium can upregulate gaba, glycine can increase serotonin. L-glutamine brain damage

Well over the last few weeks I began experiencing alot of problems climaxing which I have experienced in the past from ssris which got slowly worse(serotonin?) I then began slurring words, struggling to talk, dilated pupils, appetite gone, racing pulse...this then turned into massive panic attacks starting a week ago, massive parathesia in my legs, suicidal ideation 5 days with no sleep, heart rate was beating out my chest. Everytime i tried sleeping a lighting bolt would wake me up I spent 3 days in hospital.

These symptoms mirrored benzo withdrawal...identical! My dicks completely numb. Im fucking terrified. Im reading up on all these amino acids how they affect nmda receptors, neurotoxicity, excitory, gaba down regulation, up regulation, im reading benzo withdrawal, mdma damage, serotonin syndrome. I was doing great before supplementing magnesium oxide and this great lakes gelatin. Ive been reading about magnesium being a cns depressant.

Guys im fukin terrified. What the fuck have these supplements done to me?? I hope to god it’s transient but now I feel totally fucked and whatever issues I had from dht inhibition are completely blown out of the water with this.

Please help me. My dicks completely numb, ive never never had this before. If im truly fucked now, thats it, i was on the road out. Please tell me its transient or whatever. It mirrored identical to benzo withdrawal what happened to me.

It's most likely transient, but if you want to, fast.....for a week. Let your body reset itself.

This is why when things are working for people I tell them to leave things alone. There's no reason to mess with what is working. People on Hack Stasis do this all the time, jump on ARL, like how it's working, then do hydrogen water and completely reset themselves.

I understand the need for experimentation, but this is usually the outcome. Once you find what is working.....STICK WITH IT.

[Pageidol]

This is absolutely horrendous, maxout i hope it is transient.
I feel like ive got fukin brain damage or something. Last two weeks I spent with dilated pupils. Didn’t realise. I only bought magnesium and gelatin as id read on here it was good for sleep/gut health. I was in hospital with absolutely horrendous things happening. Im reading some pretty terrifying stuff on the web from ppl taking nootropics. Glycine boosting serotonin, glutamine destroying ppls brains, aspartic, magnesium blocking nmda, affecting gaba. Im so angry with myself. I can’t talk properly, think. The symptoms i had in hospital were major parathesia in my legs, my heart was irratic for easy 5 days straight, vertigo when lying down, 5 nights no sleep, no appetite, classic benzo withdrawal and obviously magnesium antagonistic to nmda causing gaba up regulation then the withdrawal. I don’t know none of this is normal im like 1000 times worst. I feel really poorly. Ive stopped taking the gelatin stuff as of two days ago but im really bad shape. Im terrified im now truly fucked. I was on the road out and now this

[Pageidol]

My head is absolutely fried guys, my appetite is completely gone, im terrified. I stopped taking gelatin supplement two days hoping to god thess affects wear off whatever is the cause...brain damage? Ex toxicity. I just thought they were good for sleep/gut health this is a nightmare

[Lakehouse99]

My head is absolutely fried guys, my appetite is completely gone, im terrified. I stopped taking gelatin supplement two days hoping to god thess affects wear off whatever is the cause...brain damage? Ex toxicity. I just thought they were good for sleep/gut health this is a nightmare

stop overthinking it and let it come back to normal. take a week off and just watch porn all day (kidding)

[zardoz]

My head is absolutely fried guys, my appetite is completely gone, im terrified. I stopped taking gelatin supplement two days hoping to god thess affects wear off whatever is the cause...brain damage? Ex toxicity. I just thought they were good for sleep/gut health this is a nightmare

I had slurred speech, racing heart, panic attacks, numb orgasm and appetite loss when I was at my worst.
Cleanse, dude. ONLY water as long as you can. Take a week off work, stay inactive and starve it out. It got me past it.
You need to stop Googling this shit as well. Just take a week safe in the knowledge that nothing that can make this worse is going to enter your body.

[Fausto Soares]

Hi bro,

Cut the supps.....magnesium supplement can give lethargy, numb dick for those who are sensitive, Magnesium chloride gives me lethargy, numb dick, low speed thinking even in low dosages....


The gelatin can decrease a lot serotonin, stop it immediatly, bone broth can do the same to serotonin, it may explain your bad mood.

[RickTheRuler]

I believe this is transient & you’ll get better. take zardos advice ^

That being said, watch out with the claims that we are throwing around here about certain products. It can scare people. These are products that CD recommends on TMO.

Guaranteed if I saw this 2-3 months ago I would’ve freaked out. I apply the Magnesium oil for sleep & I also take one orally in the A.M. I also take the Amino Acids & Glycine. I don’t seem to have these issues.. let’s just do a better job in that regards. I know we are all different. But we all will get there.




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[Pageidol]

I took the magnesium for 7 weeks, and just stopped the gelatin as off 3 days ago. Im really in a bad way. I mean i was in hospital with symptoms mirroring benzo withdrawal....and those guys take years to recover if at all. Im absolutely terrified i was on my way out. Im considering taking my life, I feel absolutely dreadful about this, I could have life long issues now. This is absolutely horrendous. I feel brain damaged and my dick is completely numb, I slowly lost sensivity the longer i took magnesium. Wtf have i gone and done to myself. I just didn’t think. I didn’t think magnesium or gelatin with all those amino acids could do this.

[Pageidol]

Im experiencing terrible de realisations and de personalisation, massive brain fog, slurred speach, no motivation, no sleep, no appetite

[Pageidol]

Been doing some more research. Alot of these aminos and magnesium are nmda antognists which means gaba downregulates so it explains the horrific symptoms after quitting. Now benzos work directly on gaba which might explain why there really bad withdrawals. Im praying that because ive indirectly lowered gaba these withdrawals wont last as long. As i sit here ive got pins n needles in my legs massive anxiety and racing pulse.

My penis is completely numb which is horrendous and I feel it’s serotonin and dopamine related. Im sort of worried im stuck like this.

How fast does gaba upregulate?
With it not being lowered directly.

I didn’t know what i was doing. Just took gelatine as it was good for gut health and magnesium for sleep, I didn’t even need them.

[Maxout777]

You're not stuck like this man......RELAX. Posting every few hours and researching more and more isn't going to do anything to help your situation. Unfortunately, you just have to ride it out my friend. There will be better days ahead.

And again, I'll say it - fast if you need to. Nothing helps receptors and downregulation like fasting.

[Lakehouse99]

I took the magnesium for 7 weeks, and just stopped the gelatin as off 3 days ago. Im really in a bad way. I mean i was in hospital with symptoms mirroring benzo withdrawal....and those guys take years to recover if at all. Im absolutely terrified i was on my way out. Im considering taking my life, I feel absolutely dreadful about this, I could have life long issues now. This is absolutely horrendous. I feel brain damaged and my dick is completely numb, I slowly lost sensivity the longer i took magnesium. Wtf have i gone and done to myself. I just didn’t think. I didn’t think magnesium or gelatin with all those amino acids could do this.


dude just chill out.

i have brain fog, complete emotional blunting, and derealization. i dont feel like taking my life

my derealization stopped after i quit researching and panicking all the time. i bet it comes back if i freak out like you do

[Pageidol]

I think these withdrawals may be slowly fading but Christ my genitals are completely anaesthesed, I simply didn’t have this issue prior, i was on the way out its happened over the last two weeks with everything else. Im convinced its serotonin/dopamine/gaba related but Christ I can’t handle it. This better be transient.

[Durantia37]

Is that the only thing you changed in your protocol? You didn't drink, get high, take a pharm or any other supplement? I cannot conceive of gelatin or magnesium crashing someone that hard. I've taken them both liberally and regularly when I was in ridiculously delicate positions with no negative effects whatsoever.

[Pageidol]

Yeah literally i was on my way out. Began taking gelatin and magnesium for like 2 months. First i noticed feeling very lethargic and a very tight chest at night which I now understand is central nervous system depression...magnesium agonist of gaba? I then started having dilated pupils.

Im stopped em and began experiencing horrific benzo like withdrawals, pins and needles in my legs, arms major heartbeat, slurred speach, massive brain fog, appetite wiped out, everything time I tried to sleep I would experience vertigo and be jolted bk awake. Glycine ive read in high doses can fuck up neurotransmitters and god knows what else. Ive never experienced anything like this before.

My dick is completely numb lifeless, completely disconnected. Im fukin terrified tbh. Im lying in bed looking at my wrists and im this close. Im hoping to god this temporary. Whatever issues i had are nothing compared to this.

[Pageidol]

Glycine stimulates the release of labeled acetylcholine but not dopamine nor glutamate from superfused rat striatal tissue. - PubMed - NCBI (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17707353/)

So everytime i took glycine in gelatin I would seem to get almost viagra stimulated erections, and when i didn’t the previous night it’s completely dead. This is the reason. The rats never recovered after glycine treatment. So yeah im in big trouble

[Pageidol]

Im trying to be positive and think whatever has gone on in my brain or whatever its transient but obv im a Little alarmed reading that study and i seemed to respond with regards to erections the same way. Thing is if that is indeed what has happened theres not alot that’s gonna save me

[Maxout777]

Glycine stimulates the release of labeled acetylcholine but not dopamine nor glutamate from superfused rat striatal tissue. - PubMed - NCBI (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17707353/)

So everytime i took glycine in gelatin I would seem to get almost viagra stimulated erections, and when i didn’t the previous night it’s completely dead. This is the reason. The rats never recovered after glycine treatment. So yeah im in big trouble

Dude, for the love of God. Get off the internet for like two weeks and just live, maybe fast. You're ignoring all the advice given in this thread anyway. I've literally stated this three times now.

You're going to be fine.....RELAX.

[jacknap]

hey my crash was like this as well. 5 nights no sleep. zero libido. got convulsions too. my doctor said it was related to nmda.

my sleep is still fucked right now (down swing) but mentaly i'm back to normal and I can fuck at least 3 times a week like a champ now.

think you'll be fine brethrin. i'm the same way when shit hits the fan so I can empathize but I remember you were panicking about fenugreek or whatever you took destroying leydig cells with the research. You can probably research that vitamin c destroys something permanently on the web too if you look hard enough. we're with you dawg

[Pageidol]

Thanks for the support guys

How many of you take gelatine or glycine? Magnesium and no problems?

[Pageidol]

Well since ive stopped the racing heart has stopped and the restless legs. But like i said im pretty alarmed about the dead dick that i didnt have and like i said when i was taking it i would have almost viagra induces erections just like that rat study and now its like my body wont produce nitirc oxide, pretty scary tbh

[jacknap]

I take both glycine and bonebroth/collagen in my coffee. don't really notice any negative or positive benefits. perhaps skin/hair benefits though.

[Benq123]

I also take magnesium and glycine/bone broth with no negative effects.

[Pageidol]

I was taking 3g per day, which is how much was in the gelatin daily dose

[jacknap]

I was taking 3g per day, which is how much was in the gelatin daily dose

I take 7 grams of glycine at night and 11 grams of collagen or brone broth in the morning with mah coffee

[Pageidol]

Well it turns out glycine is a cns depressant which when accomulated in high doses can damage nerves through its increasing raising levels off glutamate and causing brain damage as it’s highly excitory. Hyperglycemia can cause cognitive issues.

When i came off gelatin I experienced major parathesia in my legs and arms along with major panic attacks blurred vision and major brain fog.

Right now I have parathesia in my genitals and a weak bladder. My gonads are full of pins n needles and is completely numb. I think my nervous system has been damaged. I didn’t even need to take gelatin, i was on the way out. I saw ppl using it on here thought id try it out.

I really now think im truly fucked. I didn’t have any of these problems before. I don’t know how to proceed now. Im broken.

Do damaged nerves heal, i donr think they do in the cns. I was virtually there and now i feel its all over. My genitals are lifeless full of pins n needles wtf?

[Pageidol]

Is this reversible? Penis parathesia? This is dreadful, this is after major parathesia in my arms and legs, my fucking nerves are fried, im seriously gonna right a goodbye note, this is ridiculous, i was on the way out. This is once I withdraw glycine as part of gelatin supplement. I seriously cannot handle if my genitals have been permanently damaged by this

[Pageidol]

guys im finished, ive got parethesia in my genitals and everything is numb. Glycine-glutamate-ammonia...seriously excitotoxic nerve damage. My nerves are damaged. I can’t feel a damn thing. I was on the way out and now im completely fucked. Im writing a note right now. My nerves aren’t going to heal, nothing in the world can fix this 😞

[biatch]

guys im finished, ive got parethesia in my genitals and everything is numb. Glycine-glutamate-ammonia...seriously excitotoxic nerve damage. My nerves are damaged. I can’t feel a damn thing. I was on the way out and now im completely fucked. Im writing a note right now. My nerves aren’t going to heal, nothing in the world can fix this ��

Hey my friend.
You just crashed hard, what you feel is the crash effect.. I know it very well and it scares you as hell, sure.
But give time, I know it is a shit situation and you would like to die, but you will recover, slowly but you will.
And do not mess your self with other supplemets that you even dont know what you are talking about.
Just stop for a while and let your system comes out from this situation.

[Pageidol]

Mate this isn’t a crash, this is from taking gelatin which has glycine and also glutamic acid which damages nerves, ive taken it for over 2 months im fucked. Ive got neuropathy, pins n needles in my genitals, legs and arms, my sweat smelt of ammonia whilst i was taking it...this isn’t good at all

[biatch]

Mate this isn’t a crash, this is from taking gelatin which has glycine and also glutamic acid which damages nerves, ive taken it for over 2 months im fucked. Ive got neuropathy, pins n needles in my genitals, legs and arms, my sweat smelt of ammonia whilst i was taking it...this isn’t good at all

Man, I have had neuropathy, pins n needles in my genitals, legs and arms from such a long time.
And it was much much worst before, so it can be healed.
By the way, you did it, so no way to look back.
I would stay far away from other supplements you don't know and that are out of the protocol, so to avoid other issues.
Get back to the protocol and that's it, no other things more to say.
Nobody knows how your body will react, so the only way to go is to try to give him the best and it seems the best can be the protocol.

[Pageidol]

I thought it was good for gut health

[biatch]

I thought it was good for gut health

That's fine, you did.
Now do not get out from the line of the protocol that others before you have already tested.
If you keep staying in the protocol, you won't be harm.

[Pageidol]

My sweat was smelling of ammonia, I think it’s more related to the glutamate build up which can cause nerve damage. Im displaying all symptoms of autonamtic nerve dysfunction here

[biatch]

My sweat was smelling of ammonia, I think it’s more related to the glutamate build up which can cause nerve damage. Im displaying all symptoms of autonamtic nerve dysfunction here

Everyone got issue with so many parts of the body in PFS and many have recovered.
So, just try to stay calm and wait.

[Maxout777]

My sweat was smelling of ammonia, I think it’s more related to the glutamate build up which can cause nerve damage. Im displaying all symptoms of autonamtic nerve dysfunction here

I had ammonia smelling sweat as well in early crash and my sweat smells normal now. Dude, for the love of God give it some time, man.

[jacknap]

still think you're freaking out about it and doubt you got perma nerve damage. did you get diagnosed by a doctor about this?

when I first crashed I had the exact same shit and pins/needles (later I found it it was just from overworking out my legs + not sleeping enough)

I also thought I had this in my hands because lack of sleeping and chronically texting bitches thought I had carpal tunnel (it's normal

my dick still feels numb sometimes but sometimes it doesn't.

I also had convulsions 2 nights and I couldn't speak and thought I had a stroke. Be diligent on the rest of the protocol and try to do some relaxing shit meanwhile. meditate, nap, listen to comedy etc. 9 times outta ten it's nothing and just anxiety

[Pageidol]

Alright mate, these symptoms developed whilst taking this Great Lakes product. Literally it was progressive. Began developing really bad brain fog, struggling to cum, losing sensitivity massive fatigue didn’t put two n two together. Last two were i ended up in hospital with major parathesia in my arms and legs and genitals. As soon ad I stopped it the parathesia left my arms n legs but had stayed with my genitals. They are literally numb, not only that my vision is affected, my bladder I can’t feel if i need a piss or not, my appetite is wiped.
Ive read that glutamate acid when evalated can cause so much damage to nerves and the brain. Ive got every symptom of auntomatic nerve damage/dysfunction, symptoms I simply did not have two months back. Im in a really really bad place because i was coming right.

This has fucked me up faaar worse than anything else. I was coming back, im really really in a bad space. Ive got suicidal ideation really really bad. To think that I didn’t even need this aswell. Cost me £20 off amazon and im completely fucked.

[jacknap]

Alright mate, these symptoms developed whilst taking this Great Lakes product. Literally it was progressive. Began developing really bad brain fog, struggling to cum, losing sensitivity massive fatigue didn’t put two n two together. Last two were i ended up in hospital with major parathesia in my arms and legs and genitals. As soon ad I stopped it the parathesia left my arms n legs but had stayed with my genitals. They are literally numb, not only that my vision is affected, my bladder I can’t feel if i need a piss or not, my appetite is wiped.
Ive read that glutamate acid when evalated can cause so much damage to nerves and the brain. Ive got every symptom of auntomatic nerve damage/dysfunction, symptoms I simply did not have two months back. Im in a really really bad place because i was coming right.

This has fucked me up faaar worse than anything else. I was coming back, im really really in a bad space. Ive got suicidal ideation really really bad. To think that I didn’t even need this aswell. Cost me £20 off amazon and im completely fucked.

I had all those symptoms when I first crashed and all for the most part recovered. Still feel sorta numb on the penis sometimes but also sometimes not. keep us posted. what did the doctor say though?

[Pageidol]

Doctors just was like whatever...need to see a neurologist.
Glutamate...Excitotoxicity - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity)

And with regards to these fukin horrendous symptoms...depend on the nerves affected. They might include:

Dizziness and fainting when standing, caused by a sudden drop in blood pressure (orthostatic hypertension).
Urinary problems, such as difficulty starting urination, incontinence, difficulty sensing a full bladder and inability to completely empty the bladder, which can lead to urinary tract infections.
Sexual difficulties, including problems achieving or maintaining an erection (erectile dysfunction) or ejaculation problems in men. In women, problems include vaginal dryness, low libido and difficulty reaching orgasm.
Difficulty digesting food, such as feeling full after a few bites of food, loss of appetite, diarrhea, constipation, abdominal bloating, nausea, vomiting, difficulty swallowing and heartburn, all due to changes in digestive function.
Inability to recognize low blood sugar (hypoglycemia), because the warning signals, such as getting shaky, aren't there.
Sweating abnormalities, such as sweating too much or too little, which affect the ability to regulate body temperature.
Sluggish pupil reaction, making it difficult to adjust from light to dark and seeing well when driving at night.
Exercise intolerance, which can occur if your heart rate stays the same instead of adjusting to your activity level.

[jacknap]

Doctors just was like whatever...need to see a neurologist.
Glutamate...Excitotoxicity - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity)

And with regards to these fukin horrendous symptoms...depend on the nerves affected. They might include:

Dizziness and fainting when standing, caused by a sudden drop in blood pressure (orthostatic hypertension).
Urinary problems, such as difficulty starting urination, incontinence, difficulty sensing a full bladder and inability to completely empty the bladder, which can lead to urinary tract infections.
Sexual difficulties, including problems achieving or maintaining an erection (erectile dysfunction) or ejaculation problems in men. In women, problems include vaginal dryness, low libido and difficulty reaching orgasm.
Difficulty digesting food, such as feeling full after a few bites of food, loss of appetite, diarrhea, constipation, abdominal bloating, nausea, vomiting, difficulty swallowing and heartburn, all due to changes in digestive function.
Inability to recognize low blood sugar (hypoglycemia), because the warning signals, such as getting shaky, aren't there.
Sweating abnormalities, such as sweating too much or too little, which affect the ability to regulate body temperature.
Sluggish pupil reaction, making it difficult to adjust from light to dark and seeing well when driving at night.
Exercise intolerance, which can occur if your heart rate stays the same instead of adjusting to your activity level.

how can they diagnose this though? cause when I crashed and I experienced the same symptoms they did a cat scan and spinal tap and found nothing. I still think to this day if I just took phenibut it would have stopped it. or if I got a benzo

[Pageidol]

You know when you know your body well enough, yeah i had side effects from fenugreek and saw palmetto...

This is summit else, ive got bad bladder problems, ive had all of this parathesia, my stomach is fucked up, my dick is completely numb i got fukin feel anything, and ive taken a nerve toxin for 2 fukin months, why did I fukin do this, i didnt even need it i was on the fukin way out....im worse off than heroin addicts, alcoholics and pfs guys, this good be permanent and i was fukin there....this is absolutely fucked. I i didnt even need it!! Twenty pound gelatiin supplement fucked for life. I really cant cope if ive caused nerve damage, ive always been so healthy minded so now that i was virtually there and potentially done this...I really want to escape, only thing holding me back is my poor old man.

4 year off suffering and now this....i could easily be fucked now for life, cant handle it

[Pageidol]

You guys need to know i was virtually recovered and this fuking stuff, christ.

You guys imagine recovering and then a month later having your cock blown off, this is what its like

[jacknap]

why do you think the collagen and glycine did you in? I thought the stuff was supposed to promote sleep

[Pageidol]

The more I research into whaf the fuck is happening to me, im coming up with l-glutamate causing nerve damage. Sat here now with pain in my genitals, not much fun.

Must be the most unlucky fucker on the planet to almost recover and now this. I read about the gelatin on here ironically and im fukin destroyed

[Lakehouse99]

i guess all you can do now is the protocol lol

[biatch]

You know when you know your body well enough, yeah i had side effects from fenugreek and saw palmetto...

This is summit else, ive got bad bladder problems, ive had all of this parathesia, my stomach is fucked up, my dick is completely numb i got fukin feel anything, and ive taken a nerve toxin for 2 fukin months, why did I fukin do this, i didnt even need it i was on the fukin way out....im worse off than heroin addicts, alcoholics and pfs guys, this good be permanent and i was fukin there....this is absolutely fucked. I i didnt even need it!! Twenty pound gelatiin supplement fucked for life. I really cant cope if ive caused nerve damage, ive always been so healthy minded so now that i was virtually there and potentially done this...I really want to escape, only thing holding me back is my poor old man.

4 year off suffering and now this....i could easily be fucked now for life, cant handle it

Yo boy, I was recovered also after 10 years of suffering and then I used for just 3 days a pro-hormones that fucked me up and put me back to the bottom.. so, or you suicide yourself or you keep staying alive and try to get better. No other ways.
I feel sorry for you as I do feel sorry for myself.

[DrivenToRecover]

Just to add in my two cents.. I spent a year recovering only to accidentally touch a broken finasteride pill, and recrash myself...So what did I do? I kept on with the protocol and now I'm here feeling better than I did before that happened.

I believe that you've somehow had a setback, but its reallyyy unlikely that something natual to the body like magnesium, or some amino acids would cause something permanently unfixable. I say that to make you optomistic, not call BS on anything you said.

[jacknap]

I had the same things that you're having now in my initial crash. the body is quite resilient you can likely recover from this as well. my functiona medicine doctor though I had nmda malfunction at the receptors which I think is same as excitotoxicity right? though i'm not 100% there are days on protocol i'm like 95% after a year so something to look forward too.

[Pageidol]

I get what ya saying mate but if ive got nerve damage (pins n needles in my genitals 24/7) i am fucked for life. Im fukin suicidal. I was on the mend and some godamn Great Lakes collagen supplement has completely fried my cns system....glycine...glutamate cause exitoxicity. I am absolutely terrified right now. Ive already tried to cut my wrist...i was on the way out....this is horrendous. I didn’t even need it! This is fukin nutts How can a gelatine supplement destroy someone’s cns system...well glycine is a major inhibitor on the cns system and in yhe the presence of glutamate acid can cause major cell death switching to excitory properties. I didn’t even need it. Ive taken it for 2 months jesus christ. Ive read that damn used it and ordered some. I was doing so fukin well. Im worse of than benzo addicts, coke addicts m, pfs guys, ssri guys this is unamagenable! Ive got bladder incontinant issues...ive already told my dad i want out, im in real bad place

[Pageidol]

Alot of these amino acids are neuro transmitters i had no fukin idea. I thought it was good for gut health. Wtf have I done to myself now....im absolutely distressed territfied you name it. I cant cope... i was on the way out. I should of just stuck to the regimen but saw that damn used it in his recovery and thought ill get some of that. Some guys here take glycine with no adverse reaction. What the hell has happened to me. For a health conscious guy to end up like this is too much, to maybe face penile prothesis in the future because i might never be able to even masturbate again like I could only two months ago.

I cant handle it.... i was in hospital with major parathesia in my legs and arms and a massive elavated pulse. My dick is completely numb with now brain connection at all. This isn’t straightforward anymore for me that just had to follow the regimen. Ive now got majorissures with my nervous system. I need to get out of this mess, ive got massive suicidal ideation.

I love you guys, and the regimen was working for me. I should have never taken this product... must be the most unluckiest bloke on the planet to be destroyed far worse from a fukin gelatine supplement. This is dreadful

[Lakehouse99]

it could be worse man, you could be losing your hair :D

[Maxout777]

Dude, if you're cutting your wrists and wanting out .... Seek help. This is no joking manner.

[basementdweller]

Alot of these amino acids are neuro transmitters i had no fukin idea. I thought it was good for gut health. Wtf have I done to myself now....im absolutely distressed territfied you name it. I cant cope... i was on the way out. I should of just stuck to the regimen but saw that damn used it in his recovery and thought ill get some of that. Some guys here take glycine with no adverse reaction. What the hell has happened to me. For a health conscious guy to end up like this is too much, to maybe face penile prothesis in the future because i might never be able to even masturbate again like I could only two months ago.

I cant handle it.... i was in hospital with major parathesia in my legs and arms and a massive elavated pulse. My dick is completely numb with now brain connection at all. This isn’t straightforward anymore for me that just had to follow the regimen. Ive now got majorissures with my nervous system. I need to get out of this mess, ive got massive suicidal ideation.

I love you guys, and the regimen was working for me. I should have never taken this product... must be the most unluckiest bloke on the planet to be destroyed far worse from a fukin gelatine supplement. This is dreadful

buddy, if you haven't seen a neurologist yet, get in asap. You're suicidal, you can get that stuff fast tracked if you go into emerg, that's what I did... Took me 3 times and spent a week in the psych ward but I got the tests I needed and they found something too. Don't worry about the protocol right now, you need medical treatment.

[jacknap]

buddy, if you haven't seen a neurologist yet, get in asap. You're suicidal, you can get that stuff fast tracked if you go into emerg, that's what I did... Took me 3 times and spent a week in the psych ward but I got the tests I needed and they found something too. Don't worry about the protocol right now, you need medical treatment.

+1 couldn't have said it better myself

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so it was the combo of using glycine with collagen at the same time you think? or glycine + collagen + magnesium same time?

those are basically part of the protocol though collagen is more a recent addition

i'm not fucking with you what you said in your first post here is exactly what I had when I first crashed and I think I fucked up my NMDA receptors too. my doctor even said that and was one of the only useful ones. cuz i was doing phenibut + modafinil so I was alternating my system from chill to stimulated too fast + ru58841 fucking up neurosteroids and taking collagen daily I think I did the same thing. I'm not fully recovered but life is livable.

took about 2 months to get out of the hardest part but each week was a bit better. i used valium for the first 2-4 weeks


I don't get why magnesium / glycine would cause excitotoxicity though. I thought they were both gaba promoting?

[jacknap]

if I experienced glutamate excitoxicity they would've picked it up in cat scan or spinal tap right or no?

I have no idea. did they do a ct or mri on you?

[Pageidol]

I think its either elavated glycine ir glutamate. Either way my life’s destroyed. Im not being biased here. My bladder isn’t working properly, my genitals are completely numb, wont work at all, im cold, ive stopped sweating and my pallet is completely dry all pointing too motor neuropathy. Its irreversible damage. 2 months of taking Great Lakes gelatine. I can’t cope.

Guys i was virtually there

[Pageidol]

Guys glycine in high amounts can cause massive nerve damage. Ive got every symptom from it this automatic neuropathy...how do I come bk from this?

[Maxout777]

I took 10g of glycine nightly for almost six months, man. Didn't affect me in the least. Not saying it hasn't harmed you, but I don't believe it is nerve damage. FAST.

[Pageidol]

I don’t think my kidneys worked properly at filtering out any excess or whatever has caused this.

This is terrifying. I was fine two months ago. The symptoms i had the last two weeks on that supplement were dilated pupils, major pins and needles in my arms and legs, slurred speach, cognitive issues, couldn’t eat a damn thing, and no sleep for days, my genitals are completely utterly aneathtised, this is absolutely horrendous. Ive got bladder incontinent issues, I feel cold all the time and im constantly dehydrated no matter how much I drink.

What the hell has happened to me. Its altho my autonamtic nervous system is completely fried. Alot of these amino acids act as neurotransmitters.

Honestly this is so bad. I didn’t even need this supplement cost me £20. Im absolutely devastated.

From what I can ascertain on the web, once the cns is compromised, damage is done especially with regards to neurons.

I don’t know how i can have the life i wanted now. Ive actually done this to myself by taking something that someone else had taking on here and thought it Great for gut health.

I can’t survive with this, this is insane.

[jacknap]

you don't know that for sure so you gotta just hold on and you're probably wrong. people have experienced the same symptoms before and have recovered from it. and people from benzo withdrawals do recover. the brain chemistry gets restored and there's also neuroplasticity.

you're thoughts are your own worst enemy right now and it's compounded by the shitty brain chemistry. I'm the same way during down swings. Remember when you were freaking out about the leydig cells in the testes from fenugreek and now you're saying you were nearly recovered. so you were wrong then and could be wrong again now. So don't do something stupid now because of a hypothesis you made. You don't know for sure anything. Neither do doctors. So ride it out dawg

Will Benzo Withdrawal Symptoms Ever Go Away? | Powers Benzo Coaching - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxhFl0TtDoM)

[basementdweller]

Most people recover from benzo addiction. That being said, I genuinely think you should get a script for something to calm you down until you stabilize. Are you really willing to go the route you're talking about before even knowing what's wrong with you, it maybe something that a doctor can actually address.

We're talking about collagen here, you believe recovery from fin is possible, why would you think recovery from a dietary supplement isn't? Stop self-diagnosing and GET MEDICAL HELP

[Pageidol]

I appreciate all the support guys. I don’t know for sure whats wrong but everything is coming back as autonamtic neuropathy. I literally have every symptom and with regards to this dietary supplement..these amino acids work like neurotransmitters plus i must have been high in at least one of them to put me in hospital...I suppose it doesn’t take much if a buildup on one amino acid/chemical in the body to start fukin things up and i know excitocixity is very real, with particular amino acids.

I should have been so much vigilant with introducing anything to my body, read up on these amino or whatever but I just took it for what it was a collagen joint care supplement that id read was good for gut health.

I must be the most unluckiest bloke on the planet if a £20 dietry supplement has completely incapacitated me. I couldn’t stand it, for someone thats been eating living so well and coming bk to normal to be fucked for life now is too hard to bear. If I simply hadn’t of read that sentence on here where it was in damns recovery I wanted have even got it....if this has destroyed my body this gelatin....i am so fukin unlucky its unamaginable. Why didn’t I just keep things simple?!?!? Why?!?! I really just didn’t need it. This is right now a 24/7 nightmare

If my nerves are fried im fucked for life. I might never be able to have children, masturbate ever again, cry, woman...even i ended up having a prosthetic penis pump fitted, i wouldnt be able to cum. This is terrifying

Why did I have to buy this...why?!!!




Causes
Autonomic neuropathy is a group of symptoms. It is not a specific disease. There are many causes.

Autonomic neuropathy involves damage to the nerves that carry information from the brain and spinal cord. The information is then carried to the heart, blood vessels, bladder, intestines, sweat glands, and pupils.

Autonomic neuropathy may be seen with:

Alcohol abuse
Diabetes (diabetic neuropathy)
Disorders involving scarring of tissues around the nerves
Guillain Barré syndrome or other diseases that inflame nerves
HIV/AIDS
Inherited nerve disorders
Multiple sclerosis
Parkinson disease
Spinal cord injury
Surgery or injury involving the nerves
Symptoms
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Symptoms has been expanded.
Symptoms vary, depending on the nerves affected. They usually develop slowly over years.

Stomach and intestine symptoms may include:

Constipation (hard stools)
Diarrhea (loose stools)
Feeling full after only a few bites (early satiety)
Nausea after eating
Problems controlling bowel movements
Swallowing problems
Swollen abdomen
Vomiting of undigested food
Heart and lungs symptoms may include:

Abnormal heart rate or rhythm
Blood pressure changes with position that causes dizziness when standing
High blood pressure
Shortness of breath with activity or exercise
Bladder symptoms may include:

Difficulty beginning to urinate
Feeling of incomplete bladder emptying
Leaking urine
Other symptoms may include:

Sweating too much or not enough
Heat intolerance brought on with activity and exercise
Sexual problems, including erection problems in men and vaginal dryness and orgasm difficulties in women
Small pupil in one eye
Weight loss without trying







Causes
Autonomic neuropathy is a group of symptoms. It is not a specific disease. There are many causes.

Autonomic neuropathy involves damage to the nerves that carry information from the brain and spinal cord. The information is then carried to the heart, blood vessels, bladder, intestines, sweat glands, and pupils.

Autonomic neuropathy may be seen with:

Alcohol abuse
Diabetes (diabetic neuropathy)
Disorders involving scarring of tissues around the nerves
Guillain Barré syndrome or other diseases that inflame nerves
HIV/AIDS
Inherited nerve disorders
Multiple sclerosis
Parkinson disease
Spinal cord injury
Surgery or injury involving the nerves
Symptoms
Collapse Section
Symptoms has been expanded.
Symptoms vary, depending on the nerves affected. They usually develop slowly over years.

Stomach and intestine symptoms may include:

Constipation (hard stools)
Diarrhea (loose stools)
Feeling full after only a few bites (early satiety)
Nausea after eating
Problems controlling bowel movements
Swallowing problems
Swollen abdomen
Vomiting of undigested food
Heart and lungs symptoms may include:

Abnormal heart rate or rhythm
Blood pressure changes with position that causes dizziness when standing
High blood pressure
Shortness of breath with activity or exercise
Bladder symptoms may include:

Difficulty beginning to urinate
Feeling of incomplete bladder emptying
Leaking urine
Other symptoms may include:

Sweating too much or not enough
Heat intolerance brought on with activity and exercise
Sexual problems, including erection problems in men and vaginal dryness and orgasm difficulties in women
Small pupil in one eye
Weight loss without trying

[jacknap]

^ k look at those clusters of symptoms for other diseases. there's probably a dozen more

this is why people say to be careful with self-diagnosis

I think it can be useful to research though cuz no one is going to care about yourself as much as you and that's how we found this place but gotta also try to remain centered and humble because you could be wrong and dont wanna make yourself in a worse position by self-harming / sabotaging yourself with anxiety

I had similar freak outs over milk thistle/breaking my penis/skullcap during the protocol and i'm fine now (just still recovering from some sides from the initial crash)

[RickTheRuler]

Listen dude, I know everything is hell for you right now..When all hell breaks loose, just get on protocol. This thing is very simple but hard. The hard part is not second guessing and being consistent through ups and downs. The simple part is just getting the main parts dialed in. (Diet, exercise,herbs)

What your going through is real, but the analysis paralysis compounds things.

The other day when I was hanging out with friends I had a bit of social anxiety cause this would be the first of many times where I would say no to a drink & certain foods. I was gonna be “that guy” for the first time. I just turned 23 and I live in New York City, imagine that, so many girls and so many different foods I’m missing out on while being sober and staying away from weed & booze.

I believe we have a legitimate condition that does give us mental things... but the stress also comes from your drastic lifestyle change & bringing that into social situations..constantly comparing your situation to a normal person. You’re at a social place & you see everyone is at their regular 100% baseline & here you are. It’s lonely and you kind of feel left out. ...but then after turning them down, (there was some pushback “wtf Rick?” “Oh look at this guy” “aww man he’s sober now” but I never backed down) it was all good after & real chill. They respected it... It put me at ease. Then I realized that no one really gives a fuck anyway.

Talking about gaba & this & that (all the sciencey breaking things down endocrinology talk that i despise in forums) shows that just like me, & many of us, your a thinker. This is a blessing because it means we are smart & analytical but also a curse when your in a situation like yours cause your mind is racing & you just want it to stop

When nothing makes sense, just get on protocol.
Do a reset & fast if need be.

Don’t worry & just live. In my uncomfortable moments i like to just observe my thoughts like a spectator in the 3rd person. I know they are not mine. It’s pretty cool & there’s a method to my own madness in this regard . ...That works for me. & it makes the whole experience interesting & you learn a lot about yourself.. this is sometimes my alternative to meditation & wim hof cause these days I’m just too busy. In your case your feeling all this shit, just try your best to look at yourself in 3rd person, know that these thought patterns and behaviors is Not you.. & just observe it.

Sometimes recovery can seem impossible to our minds because its fairly simple & we believe that we need this super calculated approach like we’re solving the DaVinci Code . “You mean if i eat right, exercise, rotate herbs & take cold showers I will be cured?”. people think that it has to be this extremely complicated intellectual strategy that gets thrown out in other forums to get better. nope. Just do it. & live life. Forget about it all.

Based on looking at a lot of the threads here,
I was generally worried about not being 100% organic . Truthfully I’m like 25% organic.. I eat Paleo & I don’t care about portions. Sometimes I eat a ton of fruit, ton of nuts, drink a ton of organic kefir that store bought.. I’m not here calculating all the time. I’m simply just eating what I’m supposed to eat under the guidelines. Our body loves it all anyway so why make it more complicated.

The people that are taking a bit longer to recover is because of two things

A. Their body is moving at their own pace. This thing is generally a 6 month to 3.5 year process to full recovery (I’m including the 3-6 months your supposed to stay on protocol after your symptoms are generally gone)

B. The setbacks from getting off protocol. In Driven’s case he took fin after a year of recovering, people have relapses, drink, do drugs, take Pharma etc. CD had setbacks of his own plus he was winging it with a lot of these pieces which shows why it took him 5 years.

C. Starting from a very very low baseline.

Reason B is also a reason why we(mostly I) have to stop comparing to other people’s timelines. You don’t know other people’s journey.

FAST & then get on it..

I worry less now cause I know I’m doing the 2 month herbal rotation & 6 weeks Andro for the rest of my life with the diet..So all this is just a matter of time when the main Pillars are dialed in. I think this whole thing is also easier when you plan on making it a generally permanent change even after recovery. When you see yourself doing this past 100% the whole thing does not seem like an ordeal. “Okay 1 more year till I can have cake” VS “I’m never having cake again”. The first thought process sounds like a damn prison sentence.


Sorry for the long post. I just know where you are & I’m trying to give you multiple perspectives based on my experiences so far. I’m 3-4 months in after my fast. I am better than before definitely by sticking to the main points. Only thing I’m not consistent with is wim hof & mediation.






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[Pageidol]

Rick thanks man I appreciate the positivity there, in fact its what’s keeping it together for me. The mind is a powerful thing, and with regards to me when summit goes wrong ill throw everything at it in a manic fashion which ultimately backfires and I think this is relavant in this case and past experiences.

What I believe is that pfs is totally recoverable...i base that on the fact i was virtually there even having taking hcgenerate this april( couldn’t resist after reading reviews) (contains fenugreek and stinging nettle) and having a bad reaction which didn’t last long....the results the regimen had given me along with the regimen i was still following allowed to just reach baseline fairly quickly and it was a beautiful baseline.

This right now is entirely different and thats why im really struggling. Ultimately this great lakes collagen supplement is an abundance of amino acids that all affect the nervous syst....and ive strongly got symptoms of neuropathy..and yes im terrified...and yes if indeed this is the case it’s irreversible...which leads to the atmosphere of past posts with this.

I believe because I didn’t follow and keep the protocol simple, i am now deeling with symptoms beyond a recovery( fried nervous symptoms) and its this which is troubling me so much. I have never in 4 years experienced anything like this....and tbh its cruel. To go from virtually there take sumnit you think is great for gut health, to end up 1000x worst than anything prior...ive never in my life had pins and needles all over my body and in my genitals exposing complete anaesthesia post supplement.

I hope to god all this is temporary( i was on the verge of posting in the recovery section) but if this is permanent ((autonamtic neuropathy) ironically it was a post on here that led me to buy it. 😞

[Pageidol]

Collagen Hydrolysate Single Can (https://greatlakesgelatin.com/storefront/hydrolysate-single-can.html)

[Pageidol]

I seriously thank you guys for all your support but obviously im still fukin terrified right now. With regards to fenugreek yeah I freaked out but this time round ive got major physical symptoms... wm

[Lakehouse99]

Guys glycine in high amounts can cause massive nerve damage. Ive got every symptom from it this automatic neuropathy...how do I come bk from this?

honestly man, step 1 would be to stop freaking out.

accept what happened, and start working towards recovery

[Pageidol]

Just been re- reading the instructions on the packaging says take it with meals, i was taking it on its own before bed...do you think that’s the reason.... i mean theres still food in my stomach?

[zardoz]

Just been re- reading the instructions on the packaging says take it with meals, i was taking it on its own before bed...do you think that’s the reason.... i mean theres still food in my stomach?

I imagine they recommend taking them with food to reduce indigestion.

Dude, I'm going to repeat what I said before and tell you to cleanse. Your current mindset is going to drive you crazy. A few days on water the only thoughts in your head are going to be how fucking hungry you are. I've self diagnosed myself with autoimmune diseases, yeast infection, nerve damage and testicular cancer based purely off of my symptoms, stuff I've taken and bullshit on the internet.

Cleanse, dude. If things are as bad as you say they are then what do you have to lose?

[Pageidol]

I was taking magnesium and gelatine both before bed for two months.

Do you honestly think that these can cause permanent nerve damage after two months chronic use?

I suppose no one can really answer that, any chem body altering shit going into the body can cause destruction....but if ive got neuropathy im fucked arent i?

Trying to stay positive

[Pageidol]

What im trying to say is if im fucked id rather go out on style, car crash or heroin overdose or someshit.

I had really some great plans for my life. I just feel that obvs if im permanently fucked I wouldn’t want to kill myself but wouldn’t want to live like this. Fancy the idea of almost recovering after 4 years then taking summit you thinks beneficial and being fucked for life. I couldn’t bear it. Im a Little alarmed still i didnt take this with a meal and thats the reason as with magnesium

[Pageidol]

I dunno if taking it on its own has caused this not in a meal

[Damn]

I was taking magnesium and gelatine both before bed for two months.

Do you honestly think that these can cause permanent nerve damage after two months chronic use?

I suppose no one can really answer that, any chem body altering shit going into the body can cause destruction....but if ive got neuropathy im fucked arent i?

Trying to stay positive

Hey bud...I have been taking two heaping TBS of GL Collagen with my goat milk kefir for over a year and a half...I am sure you will be fine. The stress is what is fucking with you...Believe me on this one...You have to relax.

[Pageidol]

Alright dude, i was taking 1 tablespoon before bed every night...on its own. Ive got all the major symptoms off autonamtic dysfunction....nerve damage. I shouldn’t have ordered anything else and kept it straightforward. Thing is i haven’t seen a specialist yet, although by regarding all these issues is looking that way. I could literally lose everything over this. I feel completely handicapped. I can’t seem to cry, sweat, produce any saliva in my mouth, bladder issues, stomach issues, can’t sleep without experiencing vertigo, cognitive problems, completely dead genitals, low blood pressure. This is really really bad....and nerve damage is irreversible in this regard.

I honestly cannot believe what I have done. Thing is with me im hyper sensitive and should of just kept everything simple. I honestly cannot contain the anger at myself. I didn’t need to use it at all i was virtually there. I wish I dropped once I noticed symptoms coming in but I didn’t put two n two together.

[Durantia37]

You need to start fasting ASAP. Like tonight. For as long as possible. And then re-start the protocol you were doing before things went south. That's the only option you have. Don't get on pharms like some people here have suggested. Personally I would say don't even bother with therapy. Pull yourself together, fast, and re-start.

Like DrivenToRecover, I got majorly fucked by something really minuscule after a year of steady improvement. I set myself back a good four months, but at the time I thought it was 12 months. I did another two week juice fast and re-started, and now, six months later, I'm much better than I've ever been. It's the worst feeling ever to get set back like that, but you just have to take it on the chin and keep going.

[Pageidol]

I understand guys im bk on the fast, but if i have nerve damage im seriously fucked for ever??? And nothing in the world will save me apart from a penile implant autonamtic neuropathy is irreversible nerve damage. Ive hold every symptom of it from ending up with major cns toxicity symptoms on that product.

[Maxout777]

You don't have irreversible nerve damage. Follow Durantia37 and his advice on this....you've had a hiccup that's mimicing a stroke.

[Lakehouse99]

I understand guys im bk on the fast, but if i have nerve damage im seriously fucked for ever??? And nothing in the world will save me apart from a penile implant autonamtic neuropathy is irreversible nerve damage. Ive hold every symptom of it from ending up with major cns toxicity symptoms on that product.

LMAO you ask questions that would require a time machine in order to be answered

[jacknap]

I checked my whey protein and it has 4.5 grams of glutamic acid per serving

I also have 11 grams of bone broth / collagen a day

1 gram of magnesium

and 7-10grams of glycine at night

you sure it's just not a downswing to which u got curious and read the worst possible reason for your symptoms? then your panic compounded the downswing?

hmm

[Pageidol]

Wish to god id researched before what I was buying. It contains a trillion other things too, seriously ive got autonamtic dysfunction, all of it my nerves are fukin fried for life.

I tried a suicidal attempt already this isn’t in my head...why why why did I not research

[road to recover]

no offence man but you need to try and relax or post elsewhere, this the kind of thread which is more suited to PH.

[tallstraw]

Do you guys ever think your heads contribute to your symptoms psychosomatically, and you manifest some of the issues. I dont doubt the problems are real, its well documented. But when I read these posts, a lot of times it just alludes to your mental state being fixed, which really helps more than the other physical symptoms you treat.

[Jado]

Hey man, don't let your mind get the best of you. I seriously doubt your autonomic nervous system is damaged, "forever". I'm sure things will get better with time. Jump back on the protocol and if needed take something for anxiety, until you get through this in initial reaction. Just remain positive. Our bodies are very capable of recovering from a myriad of issues - I'm sure you will get through this, just hang in there.

[Lakehouse99]

no offence man but you need to try and relax or post elsewhere, this the kind of thread which is more suited to PH.

I agree. Where's CDSnuts?


Do you guys ever think your heads contribute to your symptoms psychosomatically, and you manifest some of the issues. I dont doubt the problems are real, its well documented. But when I read these posts, a lot of times it just alludes to your mental state being fixed, which really helps more than the other physical symptoms you treat.



100% true. my derealization is 90% gone when I don't think about it. funny how that works

[Pageidol]

Just seen a specialist, been diagnosed with indeed autonamtic dysfunction from suspected toxicity....😔

[jacknap]

Just seen a specialist, been diagnosed with indeed autonamtic dysfunction from suspected toxicity....��

how is it diagnosed just from symptoms or is it actually taken from data in the blood or something

[Cdsnuts]

Is that the only thing you changed in your protocol? You didn't drink, get high, take a pharm or any other supplement? I cannot conceive of gelatin or magnesium crashing someone that hard. I've taken them both liberally and regularly when I was in ridiculously delicate positions with no negative effects whatsoever.

Agreed.

They are rather innocuous, and when dosed properly, natural food based products.

Page....how high were you dosing them?

[Pageidol]

Yeah the tests are sort of vague but quite numerous and comprehensive. In essance they ran tests on bladder function, tilt table tests, blood sugar, blood pressure, ocular examinations, and symptomatic symptoms.

The only way I know if im hungry is if i start shaking from low blood sugar, ive got incontenant issues with my bladder, post urinary, my dick will never work again, cant feel a thing, my pupils are constantly dilated, I can’t sweat, ive got cuts on my hands that wont heal or clot, my sleep is completely gone, my joints are painful and my bp is low, wheezing chest....guys ive let everyone on here down, im so sorry, I didn’t dose the gelatine properly, took a heaped tablespoon neat before bed, effects came on quick, didn’t realise till I ended up in hospital with massive issues.

Ive really let you all down, i worked so hard for a year and was virtually recovered. Didn’t even need it, just read one sentence on here with regards to it being good for gut health, I didn’t research nor follow instructions on ir properly, didn’t even need it.

I was on the verge of posting recovery. Im absolutely devastated. I just cannot believe what’s happened, my fukin stupid self. Honestly thought it was harmless. Im self harming over this because its so traumatic.

Guys my life now. Ive got plans to just grab my boat and sail out into the ocean. I love this site and you guys but seriously I don’t know how to proceed. Facing a life stuck on drugs for various ailments then the impotence. I even remember getting the gelatine instead of bone broth cause it was cheaper, this is fucked.

Just keep it simple, christ ive fucked up

[CSM25]

I hope you get better again, know this isn't that useful a post.....
Myb hiding some other aspect not judging............
took mg years and years.
gelatin messes me up too. but not crash.

i ate 1500 cals of chocolate yesterday no crash. last yr ya that would be a terrible idea.

I don't know what to say. Maybe it's psychological...... no I mean, maybe it's something else.

Can you fast again? last week had pizza and def does not agree with me (in 100% health it wouldn't, I am gluten and lactose intolerant... ate tons as a kid tho).
I fasted sat -->monday, with water. And ate 500cals tuesday. 3000 cals one day this wk and was fine. Maybe something else to try in terms of pfs altogether?

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YOU DIDN'T LET OTHERS DOWN, mate. You need to focus on your health and don't feel guilty. And try again. THERE's almost no chance you will be ruined/ have to start from scratch.

Sometimes it's something else. My bones in my hand (fighting, anger, overtraining).
My wheezing (asthma, forest fires).

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Do not sail out into the ocean.

IT's never over/ the end... unless you believe it to be. I talked to guys that are 100 lb underweight for 6-10 yrs, getting better. Finally they can gain weight and intend to fast. SO do not do anything rash. I DID last yr, deeply regret it.

IF you sail into the ocean, I will burn the ocean down. JK of c.

[CSM25]

I had mood and focus issues (basically) and PFS, it was very very bad. It's not over. I did think it was but I was wrong, man.
Major fasting and then much of what's on SS and also HS saved my life.
Regardless of how you feel, it isn't the way you will feel forever

that hair test 500 days ago... would be very toxic I think.

I am great friends with a kid... both his parents passed away. very very bad state of depression but he kept trying and now is getting better with ARL/TEI. I believe it can cure a lot of ppl with similar post drug disorders. I will go on it. As good as fasting for a lot of people, but of course the worse the state someone is in, the harder it may be to fast initially (but not forever).
Same with ARL/TEI (structured supplements that fix thyroid, digestion, etc, over time - like 4-7 or so per person).

I thought maybe it was hard to get it here, but in reality it does have practicioners in CDA and the USA and Europe, and probably Asia and elsewhere. I can use CDA or US services (it's prudent, to keep it consistent). During that, I won't take anything else (or near nothing else, minus inhalers).

[Damn]

Yeah the tests are sort of vague but quite numerous and comprehensive. In essance they ran tests on bladder function, tilt table tests, blood sugar, blood pressure, ocular examinations, and symptomatic symptoms.

The only way I know if im hungry is if i start shaking from low blood sugar, ive got incontenant issues with my bladder, post urinary, my dick will never work again, cant feel a thing, my pupils are constantly dilated, I can’t sweat, ive got cuts on my hands that wont heal or clot, my sleep is completely gone, my joints are painful and my bp is low, wheezing chest....guys ive let everyone on here down, im so sorry, I didn’t dose the gelatine properly, took a heaped tablespoon neat before bed, effects came on quick, didn’t realise till I ended up in hospital with massive issues.

Ive really let you all down, i worked so hard for a year and was virtually recovered. Didn’t even need it, just read one sentence on here with regards to it being good for gut health, I didn’t research nor follow instructions on ir properly, didn’t even need it.

I was on the verge of posting recovery. Im absolutely devastated. I just cannot believe what’s happened, my fukin stupid self. Honestly thought it was harmless. Im self harming over this because its so traumatic.

Guys my life now. Ive got plans to just grab my boat and sail out into the ocean. I love this site and you guys but seriously I don’t know how to proceed. Facing a life stuck on drugs for various ailments then the impotence. I even remember getting the gelatine instead of bone broth cause it was cheaper, this is fucked.

Just keep it simple, christ ive fucked up

Pageidol, You're a big boy so I'm not gonna patronize you. I understand when shit starts going fucking sideways it is easy to get panicked (we have all been there...many, many times), but you have to take control of yourself. I have not seen one thing you have listed that cannot also be caused by stress. Stress fucks with the ANS more than anything and can cause very serious dysfunction. The thing is, it is controllable and it is reversible over time, but you have to control the stress to get there. Millions of people take collagen every day. Millions of people take magnesium every day. Millions of people take both...fuck, everybody who eats meat and salad for dinner is getting glycine & magnesium. The difference is they are not looking for every potential symptom and then freaking the fuck out when something seems off. Spend some time researching what stress can do to your ANS and the issues it can cause. I also have had a huge stress related setback recently (frankly, not incredibly far off from what you're describing), but my approach was to avoid all the research, not let myself panic & obsess (which is what triggered it to begin with) and a couple weeks later I am already turning the corner.

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Guys thanks for all your support, i just had another doctor visit me (im in the hospital) he was saying how he thinks that my nerves arent damged but could be just somewhat inflamed which gives me some hope at least.

At the end of the day i was only taking 1 tablespoon at night, but on its own not with food and i think thats probably the issue and that and im hypersensitive.

Could any of you guys ever imagine such a thing from such a supplement?

I suppose its only equivalent to guys taking glycine in pill form at night but all the other crap in there. I was so fukin careless. Im very intelligent but im naive as fuck and have no common sense whatsoever

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But taking it on an empy stomach high dose surely isn’t good 3 weeks straight and parathesia in my genitals and the numbness isn’t good. Im hoping to god here for a miracle and it is possible it’s just nerve inflammation or transient been of it 2 weeks

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one thing that helped me during the fast was distracting my mind. if you ever feel like self-harming try doing something that makes you forget about stuff. for me it depends on my mood but fifa/comedy podcasts/music etc. helps distract me.

sometimes you just gotta let time pass

and yes being smart sometimes you're your own worst enemy.

I have a friend who's super smart and he always comes up with very sophisticated reasons not to do things sometimes but really it's anxiety/lack of energy etc.

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one thing that helped me during the fast was distracting my mind. if you ever feel like self-harming try doing something that makes you forget about stuff. for me it depends on my mood but fifa/comedy podcasts/music etc. helps distract me.

sometimes you just gotta let time pass

and yes being smart sometimes you're your own worst enemy.

I have a friend who's super smart and he always comes up with very sophisticated reasons not to do things sometimes but really it's anxiety/lack of energy etc.

We are all our own worst enemies. I self sabotaged for years before making it through.

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But taking it on an empy stomach high dose surely isn’t good 3 weeks straight and parathesia in my genitals and the numbness isn’t good. Im hoping to god here for a miracle and it is possible it’s just nerve inflammation or transient been of it 2 weeks

I have been off of the forums for a while now. I am still unwell but have had upswings on the protocol. Currently not doing too good. I will update soon after another fast.

I saw your thread and wanted to send you some support. I got fucked from Saw Palmetto and I am from the UK too.

I have been unwell for some time now and had a lot of issues with sleep. I took the same brand of Gelatin (Great Lakes I believe?) sometime last year. Initially it helped me sleep for the first few days, then like you I had a severe adverse reaction to it. My insomnia got worse than ever and I could not sleep at all for over a week. It took a while to get back to some sort of normality. It was incredibly excitatory for me. Not in a good way. I had an even more numb dick from it and I would have this thing where after a night of no sleep I could pretty much piss myself and not realise. Bad times.

I still have a list of symptoms including the genital anethesia that you describe. I had this numbness from the SP too. I dont know whats caused what. All I know is that looking into the whys, where for's and how's is possibly the worst thing you can do. I see how panicked you are and it reminds me of when I first crashed on Saw palmetto. It is fucking scary shit. I am still very unwell but I keep fighting.

What options have you got? You have taken a fall. Pick yourself up, brush yourself off and carry on. Ive had numerous moments where I have thought of ending it. I have written suicide notes. Takes a lot to admit those things because on the outside I try to remain consistently positive. In fact, I created this account on here when I was at one of my darkest points, hence the ''lookingforhelp''. Wish I could change it. I think the help I was looking for was someone to reach out to and talk to.

Anyway, I guess what I am trying to say is just dont stop fighting. I now sleep better than I have through out this whole illness. I still have bad nights but they are better than chronic insomnia for weeks on end. Things can get better. I am still thin and find it hard to put on weight and muscle. I was doing better in all aspects then got food poisoned and got set back a lot.

I wont stop fighting though. Now I can see people have recovered from this on this site and for example hackstasis it gives me hope. If they have why cant I? Shit man, you said you were nearly recovered and I bet you never thought you could when you first crashed from 5 alpha reductase inhibitors. I got stuck in the dark days of PH. I wasn't even a member but the fucking doom from all these horror stories will just fuck with your head.

We are all in this together. If you ever want to talk I'm here. Hope you start to feel better soon.

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IT HURTS YOU GUYS bc you are sensitive to NDMA, you need anti-NDMA (i.e. NDMA antagonism). My intelligence is not best spent here, so learn on own. COLLAGEN/ etc. ALSO they're hard on the digestion of many people with or without PFS. Collagen and gelatin and even whey.

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IT HURTS YOU GUYS bc you are sensitive to NDMA, you need anti-NDMA (i.e. NDMA antagonism). My intelligence is not best spent here, so learn on own. COLLAGEN/ etc. ALSO they're hard on the digestion of many people with or without PFS. Collagen and gelatin and even whey.

makes sense cause you're essentially eating up powderized bones lol. regardless I have it in my coffee everyday. for me I like the skin/hair benefits. the rare amino acids. and the texture it adds to my coffee and appetite blunting.

I think it maybe should be consumed in the morning because it starts excitatory and then converts more to gaba as the day goes on. glycine ->glutamate-> gaba conversion. I THINK could be wrong lol. I tried stop taking it and don't notice any positive benefits of stopping.

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YEAH no, it doesn't hurt every single person. IHatefin likes it... I tried and tried ... thought maybe it hurts maybe it's just digestion. BUT I personally am better without it.
This may change in the future who knows? At the same time NDMA antagonists make me feel better in general and they did at times help PFS.

Yeah man, tried in coffee for sure. That might mean for you, you actually benefit from some slight glutamate and gaba activity. If it doesn't hurt** no harm of course.
(If it doesn't benefit... possibly a waste of time, but you seem to know what's happenin'). It should be cool, man.

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YEAH no, it doesn't hurt every single person. IHatefin likes it... I tried and tried ... thought maybe it hurts maybe it's just digestion. BUT I personally am better without it.
This may change in the future who knows? At the same time NDMA antagonists make me feel better in general and they did at times help PFS.

Yeah man, tried in coffee for sure. That might mean for you, you actually benefit from some slight glutamate and gaba activity. If it doesn't hurt** no harm of course.
(If it doesn't benefit... possibly a waste of time, but you seem to know what's happenin'). It should be cool, man.

it's definitely great for my skin and hair. hair grows so fast ever since i started taking it

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NICE. I will keep in mind... maybe A TINY amount doesn't hurt my digestion etc. But I tried like 4-5 times. Later it could be fine.
Used to use Super Collagen C (some name like that)... it was very expensive to import and it may have helped shedding, but was kind of harsh on digestion, plus it had a ton of vitamin C, and I figured it was a waste to use alongside a medication (that does not work in acidic environments). I.E. Super Collagen C would eliminate it quicker.That was like 3-4 yrs ago tho.

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NICE. I will keep in mind... maybe A TINY amount doesn't hurt my digestion etc. But I tried like 4-5 times. Later it could be fine.
Used to use Super Collagen C (some name like that)... it was very expensive to import and it may have helped shedding, but was kind of harsh on digestion, plus it had a ton of vitamin C, and I figured it was a waste to use alongside a medication (that does not work in acidic environments). I.E. Super Collagen C would eliminate it quicker.That was like 3-4 yrs ago tho.

organika I use. organic cows. grass fed. they also have a bone broth. So I get the pure bone broth when they have that available. Tastes amazing.

That one sounds super extracted so maybe that's why. Perhaps if you try just a pure collagen not extracted and whatever it might be easier.

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NICE!!! Maybe that's why. Bone broth was pretty good (recent like 7mo ago maybe) homemade. Yeah true, it could be a very extracted thing, the one I had before. But ALso great Lakes Collagen and Gelatin hurt my stomach but temporarily of course. I'm sure it'd be safe now just not ideal. And yes bone broth works well.... it's really hard to make that everyday I think.

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Any updates on pageidol

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Wonder what happens to him

I did the same but worse taking seroquel.much much worse

That's On me not anyone here

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no offence man but you need to try and relax or post elsewhere, this the kind of thread which is more suited to PH.

Fuck sale that's me five years ago he irony

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it's definitely great for my skin and hair. hair grows so fast ever since i started taking it

I'll take a shit e On you have you ducking noise shaggingbcuny

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organika I use. organic cows. grass fed. they also have a bone broth. So I get the pure bone broth when they have that available. Tastes amazing.

That one sounds super extracted so maybe that's why. Perhaps if you try just a pure collagen not extracted and whatever it might be easier.
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Shut up cunt I'll shit e in your mouth f nt