Pumpkin Seeds?

[Who Dat]

Has anyone had issues with pumpkin seeds? I was doing pretty well for quite some time and then suddenly started to feel really crappy again for the last couple months - muscle and joint soreness, extreme fatigue and weakness, brain fog, vision issues, gut issues, etc. I assumed it was just a downswing but it just kept getting worse. I could not for the life of me figure out what was wrong. For some reason I was Googling pumpkin seeds today and it appears they are a pretty serious 5AR inhibitor - they are actually recommended as a natural cure for BPH. I have been eating a couple handfuls a day of pumpkin seeds for the last two months since they were recommended as a testosterone booster - WTF?. Don't know if it's just a coincidence. Anyone else have any good or bad experiences with them?

[Durantia37]

Yeah I've always heard they're a 5-ARI. I'd drop them immediately.

[LetsGo]

Avoid pumpkin seeds. For a better choice, replace them with a small handful of walnuts per day. Walnuts are very healthy (in moderation), and they don’t suppress 5ar.

[Who Dat]

Yeah - Done. Just hoping I bounce back - Fin messed me up good after only two weeks.

[Benq123]

I'd like to hear more opinions on this.
So many foods contain natural 5 ar reductase, I feel like we'd drive ourselves crazy trying to avoid them all.

[Marquis]

I'd like to hear more opinions on this.
So many foods contain natural 5 ar reductase, I feel like we'd drive ourselves crazy trying to avoid them all.

Far too many to realistically avoid. I think it's best not to stress about most of them as they tend to be very mild and don't seem to prevent people's recoveries here, and as some of them are very healthful foods (eg. coconut oil) the trade-off is probably worth it. The main significant ones I'd heard of that seem to be worth taking the trouble to avoid are fenugreek, soy products, reishi mushroom, rosemary oil (concentrated essential OIL used as a supplement or topical - don't worry about avoiding the herb), nettle root and obviously saw palmetto. These are things you're unlikely to be consuming in any significant quantities on a paleo diet anyway. If you hear of a certain foodstuff or herb outside of the protocol increasing testosterone, it's worth doing a little research, as sometimes the mechanism of raising testosterone is by inhibiting its conversion to DHT via 5-ar - this is the case with nettle root.

[Bankai9000]

From my understanding is that 5ar inhibs are neccessary for our recoveries. As most foods contains some 5ar inhibitors, like Marquis said they give us more positive than negatives. It helps our bodies bounce back a little more so long the dose is weak. I thought that that's a lot of the herb protocol is about. Adaptogens to help us get our receptors back, raise test & lower estrogen naturally and do 1-2 (weak) 5ar hits a week so we get better and better.
That's why rotating absolutely anything on PFS seems to be crucial. Our bodies are "weak" and throwing to much of anything at it seems to make us unbalanced(or dependent on sth) way easier than a normal body. At least in the beginning.

But y pumpkin seeds are literally sold as hairloss/prostate treatment. 1x a week probably better then noone, but daily might lead to issues.

I still wonder about nettle root tho, most of our symptoms get treated by it when it comes to general health concerns(in a healthy body). Doesn't it act different than saw palmetto or so?(Haven't read much into specific differences yet). Wouldn't cycling it like Lion's mane(or other mushrooms) have some benefits? Or is it too potent?

[Benq123]

From my understanding is that 5ar inhibs are neccessary for our recoveries. As most foods contains some 5ar inhibitors, like Marquis said they give us more positive than negatives. It helps our bodies bounce back a little more so long the dose is weak. I thought that that's a lot of the herb protocol is about. Adaptogens to help us get our receptors back, raise test & lower estrogen naturally and do 1-2 (weak) 5ar hits a week so we get better and better.
That's why rotating absolutely anything on PFS seems to be crucial. Our bodies are "weak" and throwing to much of anything at it seems to make us unbalanced(or dependent on sth) way easier than a normal body. At least in the beginning.

But y pumpkin seeds are literally sold as hairloss/prostate treatment. 1x a week probably better then noone, but daily might lead to issues.

I still wonder about nettle root tho, most of our symptoms get treated by it when it comes to general health concerns(in a healthy body). Doesn't it act different than saw palmetto or so?(Haven't read much into specific differences yet). Wouldn't cycling it like Lion's mane(or other mushrooms) have some benefits? Or is it too potent?

If you look at chi's post in the recovery section, sounds like he had nettle leaf tea pretty much daily, not sure if that's the same as root though..

[Who Dat]

Far too many to realistically avoid. I think it's best not to stress about most of them as they tend to be very mild and don't seem to prevent people's recoveries here, and as some of them are very healthful foods (eg. coconut oil) the trade-off is probably worth it. The main significant ones I'd heard of that seem to be worth taking the trouble to avoid are fenugreek, soy products, reishi mushroom, rosemary oil (concentrated essential OIL used as a supplement or topical - don't worry about avoiding the herb), nettle root and obviously saw palmetto. These are things you're unlikely to be consuming in any significant quantities on a paleo diet anyway. If you hear of a certain foodstuff or herb outside of the protocol increasing testosterone, it's worth doing a little research, as sometimes the mechanism of raising testosterone is by inhibiting its conversion to DHT via 5-ar - this is the case with nettle root.

I agree - many extremely healthy foods, minerals and herbs do. I would consider adding pumpkin seeds to your avoid list though - I found double blind placebo controlled studies where pumpkin seed oil has been proven to shrink prostates and grow back hair. May not have the same effect when eaten in its whole food form - many don't - but I will be passing on this one. I will see if I improve off of them and let you guys know. Thanks.

[Cdsnuts]

From my understanding is that 5ar inhibs are neccessary for our recoveries. As most foods contains some 5ar inhibitors, like Marquis said they give us more positive than negatives. It helps our bodies bounce back a little more so long the dose is weak. I thought that that's a lot of the herb protocol is about. Adaptogens to help us get our receptors back, raise test & lower estrogen naturally and do 1-2 (weak) 5ar hits a week so we get better and better.
That's why rotating absolutely anything on PFS seems to be crucial. Our bodies are "weak" and throwing to much of anything at it seems to make us unbalanced(or dependent on sth) way easier than a normal body. At least in the beginning.

But y pumpkin seeds are literally sold as hairloss/prostate treatment. 1x a week probably better then noone, but daily might lead to issues.

I still wonder about nettle root tho, most of our symptoms get treated by it when it comes to general health concerns(in a healthy body). Doesn't it act different than saw palmetto or so?(Haven't read much into specific differences yet). Wouldn't cycling it like Lion's mane(or other mushrooms) have some benefits? Or is it too potent?

Did you write that 5ar inhibitors are necessary for recovery? If so, that's not the case......at all.

[Danny72]

Pumpkin seeds are full of zinc, and zinc pulls out copper from your tissues into your bloodstream, that is why you feel bad. I had the same. Eating oysters and beef will have the same affect. This is a good thing as you want copper out. I am busy now for 3 years detoxing to get the copper out. Extreme copper toxicity has been the cause for my PFS, and will turn out to be for many of us. I was already born high in copper and finasteride (and lifestyle) even increased it more, untill i was completly full and eventually crashed. Get your zinc and b-vitamins up, and your copper down, this will cure you in the end. It sounds simple but it is a hellish road, and there is no other option. Dont fast or juice feast, you gotto get meat (protein) in your system. You will feel worse before you feel better, no doubt about it. Google copper toxicity, without even meeting or talking to him, dr wilson sites saved my life. I will do my story when i am feeling better, as i am still in the detox process, but i am getting there.

So yes, pumpkin seeds are good for you (us)... :-)

[Danny72]

And please read into it and dont run off and buy zinc and b-complex supplements, as it is not that simple. Getting copper out is a very complex process, but it is doable.

[Bankai9000]

Very interesting points there Danny.
I suspected this was the reason for my crash aswell. And now its the only thing that scares me since most ppl seem to crash again with copper toxicity. I tried reading into it and watching the yt vids.
I've absolute extreme chocolate(copper?) cravings sometimes now. Low in blood high in tissues? But I don't understand what hackstasis says about it and I dont really get what to do from the yt vids.
If ya'd like to guide me into a direction with it via skype (Bankai9000) I'd highly appreciate it.

[Danny72]

Best to see a local naturopath who know about copper toxicity. I have been eating only vegetables and meat for over 3 years, doing coffee enemas for liver support (works really well, every time i literally see the copper coming out), and doing slow walking and earthing to calm my adrenals so they signal the liver to make ceruplasmin to carry the copper out. Also the earthing is balancing me somehow, sounds wierd, but like many i am feeling best barefooted on the beach. I sleep with an earthing-mat for my feet. Sounds quaky i know, but really helps. Also i eat a lot of organic butter from which the body makes ceruplasmin to carry copper out. Eat beef and chicken also, very importent. Your body needs animalprotein to detox this poison. The last year i have been using zinc and methylated b vitamins for detoxing, i use them now also. The first 2 years i was very toxic that only my diet would cause copper dumping. You have to remember that it is very important that your adrenals, liver and digestion are in optimal shape, otherwise this wont work. And do not eat any sugar, gluten, wheat. Only veggies and beef/chicken. This is no fun but you will get used to it. When copper is coming out, you will be getting constipation. Best you can do is to do a water enema, there is no other way. Our bodies where not programmed to deal with these amounts of copper, so you need desperate measures. After water enema i do 2 or 3 coffee enemas (arabica beans) to clean the liver, as much copper will stick to liver, this really helps and makes detoxing quicker, though i have been detoxing for 3 years. This is in short what i am doing but there is way more to it so read the sites i mentioned.

Also very important to keep your stress levels down. Anything that excites (sugar, licorice or whatever substance) will make you worse.

And never buy normal b complex vitamins, as many of us have this mthfr mutation (look it up), so buy the methylated vitamins. I have read on other forum that people were getting much worse from methylated b vitamins, but this is just what you want, it is working, if your detox organs are in shape. So best to begin with food and see how your body reacts. You will feel worse before better, never give up.

[RickTheRuler]

Best to see a local naturopath who know about copper toxicity. I have been eating only vegetables and meat for over 3 years, doing coffee enemas for liver support (works really well, every time i literally see the copper coming out), and doing slow walking and earthing to calm my adrenals so they signal the liver to make ceruplasmin to carry the copper out. Also the earthing is balancing me somehow, sounds wierd, but like many i am feeling best barefooted on the beach. I sleep with an earthing-mat for my feet. Sounds quaky i know, but really helps. Also i eat a lot of organic butter from which the body makes ceruplasmin to carry copper out. Eat beef and chicken also, very importent. Your body needs animalprotein to detox this poison. The last year i have been using zinc and methylated b vitamins for detoxing, i use them now also. The first 2 years i was very toxic that only my diet would cause copper dumping. You have to remember that it is very important that your adrenals, liver and digestion are in optimal shape, otherwise this wont work. And do not eat any sugar, gluten, wheat. Only veggies and beef/chicken. This is no fun but you will get used to it. When copper is coming out, you will be getting constipation. Best you can do is to do a water enema, there is no other way. Our bodies where not programmed to deal with these amounts of copper, so you need desperate measures. After water enema i do 2 or 3 coffee enemas (arabica beans) to clean the liver, as much copper will stick to liver, this really helps and makes detoxing quicker, though i have been detoxing for 3 years. This is in short what i am doing but there is way more to it so read the sites i mentioned.

Also very important to keep your stress levels down. Anything that excites (sugar, licorice or whatever substance) will make you worse.

And never buy normal b complex vitamins, as many of us have this mthfr mutation (look it up), so buy the methylated vitamins. I have read on other forum that people were getting much worse from methylated b vitamins, but this is just what you want, it is working, if your detox organs are in shape. So best to begin with food and see how your body reacts. You will feel worse before better, never give up.

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[Cdsnuts]

Pumpkin seeds are full of zinc, and zinc pulls out copper from your tissues into your bloodstream, that is why you feel bad. I had the same. Eating oysters and beef will have the same affect. This is a good thing as you want copper out. I am busy now for 3 years detoxing to get the copper out. Extreme copper toxicity has been the cause for my PFS, and will turn out to be for many of us. I was already born high in copper and finasteride (and lifestyle) even increased it more, untill i was completly full and eventually crashed. Get your zinc and b-vitamins up, and your copper down, this will cure you in the end. It sounds simple but it is a hellish road, and there is no other option. Dont fast or juice feast, you gotto get meat (protein) in your system. You will feel worse before you feel better, no doubt about it. Google copper toxicity, without even meeting or talking to him, dr wilson sites saved my life. I will do my story when i am feeling better, as i am still in the detox process, but i am getting there.

So yes, pumpkin seeds are good for you (us)... :-)

I'm pretty sure the cause of your PFS is Finasteride or something in the same class of drugs. Hence "post finasteride syndrom."

Everything is very easily explained by 5ar inhibition.....The copper theory may hold some weight in some small aspects, but the cause of it all is shutting down this enzyme.

I can tell you're a Hackstasis guy, correct? I'm not to keen on you telling people not to fast or juice feast as it goes directly against what we do on this site. Seeing as this site is for the sole purpose of helping guys that are on this protocol, maybe this discussion would be best had over at hackstasis. Anyone interested in this avenue can very simply go over there and check it out. And you're incorrect when you say there is no other option. We have pages of recovery's that say otherwise my friend. I personally never bothered to look into copper balance etc because here we treat the body as a whole. When you holistically treat yourself, things that are out of balance come back into balance.

There are alot of theories floating around over there, and that's all well and good. But from my point of view, we've got it put to bed over here. Some guys just don't have the will or desire to do what has to be done is what it boils down to. If you've been doing what you're doing for three years already and haven't recovered, I would maybe give another look at the theory in general. If you were to go 100% on TMO, you would be pretty damn near super human by three years time.

I agree with many of the other things your saying especially the grounding practice, but again, the direction of this conversation is going in would be best had somewhere else. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there isn't other ways to recover, I'm just saying I haven't found one yet.

Maybe when they start racking up the recoveries over there it would be something to look into, but until then, we know what works, we have recoveries coming in at a relatively steady pace for the guys that gave it 100% effort and time, and it's been proven many, many times over. If they figure out something over there that cures guys at half the time the TMO protocol does, then buy all means my hats off to you guys. Until then, it's just alot of scientific talk without alot of results.

[Danny72]

I am a hackstasis member, but i never post. I should not have said there is no other option, maybe there is, for others. So i am sorry i said that. Just for me, and what i am doing, this works. I used this poison for nine years and was already copper toxic to begin with, probably from birth. I always had this wierd aversion at eating red meat, and after and during my finasteride use this only got worse. Eating a hamburger would make me sick. I know that three years is a long time but the copper is still coming out. Few weeks ago i went to the dokter with a stool-sample for analysis, and still full of copper. Even the dokter cant believe this, and wont support the methods i use cause of his medical ethics, but also acknowledge that this is not supposed to be in my body, and i should continue until its gone. When i first had these copper dumps i could have never imagined this would take more than 3 years, as they were very intense, but they still do. It is unbelievable how much toxins a body can store. I am much and much better now, and i believe almost there. Look also into copper personalities. It really excists. Google it. Many people on PFS-forums are creative, artistic people. Busy with music, designing, comedy, performing, writing etc. These are all high copper personality treats. But when it gets too high it means trouble, and that is what finasteride has done to me, along with genetics and lifestyle (hard partying...). But again, you were right, i can only speak for myself. But if anyone recognises anything in my story they have a clou where to look. I will stop posting now and wish all of you good luck with your protocol, all the best! Sorry for my english, i am from The Netherlands

[Cdsnuts]

I am a hackstasis member, but i never post. I should not have said there is no other option, maybe there is, for others. So i am sorry i said that. Just for me, and what i am doing, this works. I used this poison for nine years and was already copper toxic to begin with, probably from birth. I always had this wierd aversion at eating red meat, and after and during my finasteride use this only got worse. Eating a hamburger would make me sick. I know that three years is a long time but the copper is still coming out. Few weeks ago i went to the dokter with a stool-sample for analysis, and still full of copper. Even the dokter cant believe this, and wont support the methods i use cause of his medical ethics, but also acknowledge that this is not supposed to be in my body, and i should continue until its gone. When i first had these copper dumps i could have never imagined this would take more than 3 years, as they were very intense, but they still do. It is unbelievable how much toxins a body can store. I am much and much better now, and i believe almost there. Look also into copper personalities. It really excists. Google it. Many people on PFS-forums are creative, artistic people. Busy with music, designing, comedy, performing, writing etc. These are all high copper personality treats. But when it gets too high it means trouble, and that is what finasteride has done to me, along with genetics and lifestyle (hard partying...). But again, you were right, i can only speak for myself. But if anyone recognises anything in my story they have a clou where to look. I will stop posting now and wish all of you good luck with your protocol, all the best! Sorry for my english, i am from The Netherlands

Sounds like you would benefit from a cleanse.....

I'm not trying to chase anyone away, I'm just saying on this board, we discuss this protocol. The guys that stick to it, heal. It's very simple.

In regards to "copper personalities" What happens when they get rid of the excess copper? Their personalities change?

[Danny72]

I am doing nothing but cleansing. Eating very clean (meat and veggies) and 2 sets of enemas per day in the morning and afternoon, and they work, as the poison is coming out. But i have to be very strict in my protocol, otherwise it wont work.

[RickTheRuler]

the guys who don’t go 100%, is it that they don’t recover at all? Or just all the processes that goes on in recovery are less efficient & takes longer than your standard timeline to reach full recovery? All the things we do seem to just expedite what the body naturally does

I know in your case CD you was experimenting so it’s not like you was on TMO from day one.. but you had a 5 year recovery period, all your experimenting is not considered “100%”, I guess that’s why it took that long. But the moment you decided to make a change & go fast, then your process began. I don’t Medan mentally either, biologically healing mode started. It was gonna take however long it took based on what you were doing.

I told you this before man, but your story is such a testament of pure will & intelligence.. it all sucks when this thing first goes down as we all know, but when you have no rational path out, it’s like solving the most complicated puzzle ever.. you get why people wanna jump out the damn window. Imagine it being 1998 getting hit with this...

dude you had to be so stressed when you was 25,26,27 etc.., there was NOTHING you could do but figure it out on your own.. & the only place you went to was a shit show.. many of us here have this forum & protocol to go to, & if you look at old messages you STILL see guys like myself and jacknap cave in to the downswings, especially early in our process, despite having guys here who recovered, despite the positive support..I’m like trying to really put myself in your shoes in the 2000s... it gives me chills to even think about..I may be overdramatizing it but it’s super fascinating to me. Cause I thought I had amazing iron will, but there’s levels to this I guess.. damn.


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[Cdsnuts]

I am doing nothing but cleansing. Eating very clean (meat and veggies) and 2 sets of enemas per day in the morning and afternoon, and they work, as the poison is coming out. But i have to be very strict in my protocol, otherwise it wont work.

Eating meat and veggies isnt' cleansing. Cleansing, is cleansing. Juice feast or water fast.

[Danny72]

I tried only juicing but than no copper is coming out. Copper needs animalprotein to be transported out of the body. For me it works, see it everyday. And if i fast i stop my body from starting to detox, obviously because the lack of nutrients. But i do feel better though, but only because the detox stops so no copper dumps in my blood. This is my experienc ofcourse.

[Cdsnuts]

I tried only juicing but than no copper is coming out. Copper needs animalprotein to be transported out of the body. For me it works, see it everyday. And if i fast i stop my body from starting to detox, obviously because the lack of nutrients. But i do feel better though, but only because the detox stops so no copper dumps in my blood. This is my experienc ofcourse.

My man.....The ONLY way to properly detox is a water fast or juice feast. It is the king of detoxification. I'm not sure why you think fasting stops your body from detoxing? This goes against all research and more importantly, personal experience from everyone who has recovered. It is simply, incorrect.

I think maybe instead of being so focused on this copper issue you actually give the protocol a shot, 100% and prove it to yourself.

You are following the recoveries here, correct? We don't focus on copper here, we focus on holistically healing the body.

Again, if this is what you prefer to do, then hackstasis is your place. Here we work on recovering, nothing more, nothing less.

And i'll say it again....if you were to be doing the regimen all in for the past three years, you would most likely have been recovered by now. So apparently what ever it is your focusing on isn't giving you the results you need.

[Danny72]

Doing coffee enemas and fasting then nothing comes out. Doing coffee enemas and eating veggies and meat, than tons of copper comes out. If all my other detox organs are working, adrenals, liver, digestion. I see it every day. It sounds gross, but look in my toilet and you will see that this certainly is cleansing, the dokter even calls it extreme. It is what it is. I am not lying. Coffee enemas are a sure way to see if a detox is working. This is my experience, maybe i have different form of pfs. Who knows.

[Cdsnuts]

Doing coffee enemas and fasting then nothing comes out. Doing coffee enemas and eating veggies and meat, than tons of copper comes out. If all my other detox organs are working, adrenals, liver, digestion. I see it every day. It sounds gross, but look in my toilet and you will see that this certainly is cleansing, the dokter even calls it extreme. It is what it is. I am not lying. Coffee enemas are a sure way to see if a detox is working. This is my experience, maybe i have different form of pfs. Who knows.

Who knows? Well, I have a pretty good idea.

You need to do some research on water fasting. You're not going to cleanse 100% if you're using your digestive system, or adding things into your system, such as coffee enemas. This is simply scientific fact.

I'll say it for the last time, if this is the route you want to take, by all means, that's your decision, but there is no sense in you staying here arguing something that I know to be true. It's a complete waste of time.

There are plenty of guys over at Hackstasis that love going back and forth about stuff like this. Here that's not necessary. We know what works, and that's what we discuss here. If that's not what you want to do, then Hackstasis is your place my man.

I'm well beyond the point of spending time taking about theories. Results is what we are after, and that's what we get. There is no guessing necessary here.

[Danny72]

I am not guessing, i am seeing results, that is a fact. And i just wanted to help, as i know what kind of hell it is to live like this. But it is ok to disagree, i respect everybodys view and opinion. This is not an easy subject. I will leave it at this and wish you all the best.

[Cdsnuts]

I am not guessing, i am seeing results, that is a fact. And i just wanted to help, as i know what kind of hell it is to live like this. But it is ok to disagree, i respect everybodys view and opinion. This is not an easy subject. I will leave it at this and wish you all the best.

You should be well out of hell by three years time. If not, you need to re-evaluate what you're doing.

[Danny72]

As said before, i never thought this was going to take more than 3 years, when i first saw the copper come out. But it does. And it is still coming out. And with that also my symptoms are disappearing/lessening. So yes, i will continue, even my childhood OCD-symptoms are disappearing right now. Very wierd (but very happy) to notice, cause i had these as long as i can remember. Also varicose veins are getting less and less. Like other symptoms, i have had these before fin use. Many other typical severe pfs-symptoms already have disappeared. I sometimes read about former pfs-patients claiming that they feel better than they ever did before, and now i can see why. I think it is great that you are helping people back on their feet with your protocol, and i hope you understand that i have to stick to mine, as i am getting there. I guess it also depends on severity and genetics. Good luck to all.

[Who Dat]

Has anyone had issues with pumpkin seeds? I was doing pretty well for quite some time and then suddenly started to feel really crappy again for the last couple months - muscle and joint soreness, extreme fatigue and weakness, brain fog, vision issues, gut issues, etc. I assumed it was just a downswing but it just kept getting worse. I could not for the life of me figure out what was wrong. For some reason I was Googling pumpkin seeds today and it appears they are a pretty serious 5AR inhibitor - they are actually recommended as a natural cure for BPH. I have been eating a couple handfuls a day of pumpkin seeds for the last two months since they were recommended as a testosterone booster - WTF?. Don't know if it's just a coincidence. Anyone else have any good or bad experiences with them?

As a follow up, one week after chucking the pumpkin seeds I am in worse downswing since original crash - pretty much all original symptoms although not quite as severe. Don't know if it's just coincidence or not, but I would consider avoiding eating any volume of these with any consistency.

[Cdsnuts]

As said before, i never thought this was going to take more than 3 years, when i first saw the copper come out. But it does. And it is still coming out. And with that also my symptoms are disappearing/lessening. So yes, i will continue, even my childhood OCD-symptoms are disappearing right now. Very wierd (but very happy) to notice, cause i had these as long as i can remember. Also varicose veins are getting less and less. Like other symptoms, i have had these before fin use. Many other typical severe pfs-symptoms already have disappeared. I sometimes read about former pfs-patients claiming that they feel better than they ever did before, and now i can see why. I think it is great that you are helping people back on their feet with your protocol, and i hope you understand that i have to stick to mine, as i am getting there. I guess it also depends on severity and genetics. Good luck to all.

Dude....you do you. I have nothing against anyone who is doing anything to try and better their situation. I told you my original issues with your post, so that's water under the bridge. You know what this forum is for, so we should be on the same page there.

I'm just stating that if you're dealing with PFS, most guys who are serious with the protocol are recovered in anywhere from 6mos - 2yrs. And again, you are more then welcome to be here, I just think that hackstasis is where you would find guys doing similiar things and would be able to discuss your experiences with people who are in the same boat as you.

And you are correct. The severity of their symptoms is determined in large part by genetics, along with a few other variables. But that being said, even the worst cases are pretty leveled out by that window of time.

[Cdsnuts]

As a follow up, one week after chucking the pumpkin seeds I am in worse downswing since original crash - pretty much all original symptoms although not quite as severe. Don't know if it's just coincidence or not, but I would consider avoiding eating any volume of these with any consistency.

How many damn pumpkin seeds were you eating?

[Who Dat]

How many damn pumpkin seeds were you eating?

Just a couple handfuls a day for the last couple months. Could just be a down swing, but by far the worst I’ve had. Sucks.

[Cdsnuts]

Just a couple handfuls a day for the last couple months. Could just be a down swing, but by far the worst I’ve had. Sucks.

I've eaten that many before without issue. I go in spurts when it comes to nuts and seeds. Like i'll get on a kick with brazil nuts, then almonds, sunflower seeds, etc.

I'm pretty sure it's just a downswing. But if it's going to help you mentally, which is a huge part of this, leave them out. I don't think they're connected though, honestly.