I'm brand new here and could use some help...

[NotGud]

So I looked over the protocol and I gotta say... It's a bit intense but I think it's manageable... If I wasn't so fucking broke lol can someone please help me figure out the cheapest course of action and find out what supplements to prioritize over others? Thanks in advanced... I'm not good at being healthy hah

[NotGud]

Anyone? I'm in serious need of help with this... I'm on a ridiculously tight budget since I moved to a new city and could use any help/advice as to what is absolutely crucial to the regiment so I can make sure I budget for it

[Bankai9000]

1. Drive to an electronic store, buy a blender for 30-50bucks and a nut milk bag.
14 days juice feast and read the protocol daily
Meditating, cold showers, skinbrushing and trying to relax should be your focus. These are the keythings and are free. Daily.
2. Read how to break a fast, do it.
3. Start paelo and introduce exercise
4. Keep it up
5. Put money to the side and order herbs when you can, they will last forever if you order 7 man. Read about the benefits anywhere if you're not convinced. Or read into anything if you aren't. It will put your mind at ease.

Bankai9000 my skype if you ever need someone to talk to.
edit: if you're lazy you're fkd, simple as that

[NotGud]

Thanks for the advice and reaching out man. It's nice to have someone offer up some help/advice. I'll buy a blender when I get paid next and start there. Wouldn't say I'm lazy but this condition definitely doesn't help with motivation. My t is low and clomid is only helping so much... Do you know if the protocol can help with hypogonadism? I've got secondary, so my boys should work properly, I just need the signal to be sent.

I also already have trib and maca but I'm not sure about starting a cycle while I'm on clomid.

[Samsemilia]

You are not producing testosteron because estrogen is high i would guess, it blocks your own production. This was the case with me, get dht up over months with herbs/weightlifting/diet/sprints/sleep this gets estrogen down and removes the blockade. I would not go the "easy" route with clomid.

[NotGud]

I would eventually like to work towards stopping the clomid but right now, it's a necessity to function. Once I get about a month in to the protocol I'll taper off.

[Samsemilia]

You got this! I would choose creatine, pine pollen, tongkat, tribulus, butea, cordyceps on a budget.
I would also test estrogen after stopping clomid. Mine was 3x over range with lowish test, 6 weeks later just with 10g creatine and lifting went down to lower end of scale. From there i had first real improvement.

[Cdsnuts]

Thanks for the advice and reaching out man. It's nice to have someone offer up some help/advice. I'll buy a blender when I get paid next and start there. Wouldn't say I'm lazy but this condition definitely doesn't help with motivation. My t is low and clomid is only helping so much... Do you know if the protocol can help with hypogonadism? I've got secondary, so my boys should work properly, I just need the signal to be sent.

I also already have trib and maca but I'm not sure about starting a cycle while I'm on clomid.

Brother....listen...we've all been there. Some worse then others, but no one is going to spoon feed you here. It's clear from the questions your asking you haven't read through the site front to back or even through the stickies in this section.

EVERYTHING you need is here and at TMO. All of it.

Before we go any further, you need to do a bit of reading. Then there are plenty of guys here that are willing to help you. You have to be willing to help yourself first.

Get on it....and while you're at it, get off the garbage. There's no need for that anymore. You wanna get better? The time is now.

[Cdsnuts]

1. Drive to an electronic store, buy a blender for 30-50bucks and a nut milk bag.
14 days juice feast and read the protocol daily
Meditating, cold showers, skinbrushing and trying to relax should be your focus. These are the keythings and are free. Daily.
2. Read how to break a fast, do it.
3. Start paelo and introduce exercise
4. Keep it up
5. Put money to the side and order herbs when you can, they will last forever if you order 7 man. Read about the benefits anywhere if you're not convinced. Or read into anything if you aren't. It will put your mind at ease.

Bankai9000 my skype if you ever need someone to talk to.
edit: if you're lazy you're fkd, simple as that

I appreciate the enthusiasm and willingness to help, but you yourself just started this and I think you should probably hold off on giving others advice until you get a few months under your own belt first.

A regular blender is not going to do the job. You need a powerful one that will masticate greens. Most store bought blenders are not up to the job. See the website.

As a matter of fact, all new guys should read ALL the stickies (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=47) in this section and then read the WHOLE website, front to back. And then read it again......and then again.......and then one more time.

Once all of the fundamentals have been answered, which they will by this time, you may have a few questions. At this point feel free to ask.

I did like your last comment though. Lazy doesn't bode well for recovery.....ever.

[Cdsnuts]

So I looked over the protocol and I gotta say... It's a bit intense but I think it's manageable... If I wasn't so fucking broke lol can someone please help me figure out the cheapest course of action and find out what supplements to prioritize over others? Thanks in advanced... I'm not good at being healthy hah

I think living a life as a shell of a man is way more intense then anything on this website. But then again, that's me, my mindset. Everyone has a different one. That's what makes the world go around. That's also why many men fail at this. Some guys just can't hack it....bottom line. Like anything else in life really.

Also like other things in life, you get back what you put in. I'm sure if you talked to many of the guys that started this, in the beginning it was overwhelming. But once they recover, they will ALL tell you it was more then worth the struggle. You see, while this is a way out for PFS sufferers, the website is going to be marketed to guys who want to be more then mediocre....normal. This is for the guys that want to be better then that. The guys that want to have a leg up on life. Guys who want to fully embrace their manhood and all of the things that encompasses.

So if you don't have that mindset, or being average is keeping you content, then this may not be for you. Because when done right, when you come out the other side, you are more then most men who spend their lives walking around in a comfortable, but slightly discontented state.

Either way it's up to you.

[DKnighten]

CD. You went through PFS for years trying things until you finally landed on what was most effective. You never once tried hormone drugs like Clomid, Amridex, nothing? I imagine you spent a lot of money seeing doctors at first, just trying to get somewhat of a picture. At what point did you realize that the real way out would be the holistic way?

If this is already answered by you on the Forum, I apologize. I just know a system like TMO wasn't put together overnight and you had to have tried all sorts of shit..just very curious!

Thanks man.

[NotGud]

I understand that clomid isnt a permanent answer but the second I stop taking it my beard starts falling out and I start to feel like I'm dying. I know the protocol works and I'm not doubting it, I just don't see myself starting without clomid. I think I need to get started then ween off. I'm going to start a water fast this weekend and go from there.

BTW, thanks for the responses CD, I'm not questioning the protocol or doubting it... Just worried about stopping medication that is having positive effects for me

[Bankai9000]

I appreciate the enthusiasm and willingness to help, but you yourself just started this and I think you should probably hold off on giving others advice until you get a few months under your own belt first.

A regular blender is not going to do the job. You need a powerful one that will masticate greens. Most store bought blenders are not up to the job. See the website.

As a matter of fact, all new guys should read ALL the stickies (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=47) in this section and then read the WHOLE website, front to back. And then read it again......and then again.......and then one more time.

Once all of the fundamentals have been answered, which they will by this time, you may have a few questions. At this point feel free to ask.

I did like your last comment though. Lazy doesn't bode well for recovery.....ever.

Agree. Just remembered there how bad the first days were, and how desperate I was not only for help/guidance but just anyone to talk to.
Now over a month later all of this seems clear and "easy" to follow, but back then I wanted to ask 1000 questions about things that were written out anyway. Especially in this state of shock, fear, insomnia and adrenaline/cortisol overload.

[Maxout777]

I understand that clomid isnt a permanent answer but the second I stop taking it my beard starts falling out and I start to feel like I'm dying. I know the protocol works and I'm not doubting it, I just don't see myself starting without clomid. I think I need to get started then ween off. I'm going to start a water fast this weekend and go from there.

BTW, thanks for the responses CD, I'm not questioning the protocol or doubting it... Just worried about stopping medication that is having positive effects for me

For the love of God, don’t water fast on clomid. Total waste of time, and also probably dangerous.

Unfortunately the only way to get better is kick off the training wheels. You may fall, and it may suck, but you’ll pick yourself back up and ride the fuck out of that bike in no time.

[NotGud]

For the love of God, don’t water fast on clomid. Total waste of time, and also probably dangerous.

Unfortunately the only way to get better is kick off the training wheels. You may fall, and it may suck, but you’ll pick yourself back up and ride the fuck out of that bike in no time.

Dude, I'm just worried I'm going to have a fucking bald face and lose all my body hair if I stop. Will the other supps help maintain? Would they be safe to take during a water fast?

[Cdsnuts]

Dude, I'm just worried I'm going to have a fucking bald face and lose all my body hair if I stop. Will the other supps help maintain? Would they be safe to take during a water fast?

DO NOT water fast on any pharmaceutical drug......EVER.

Listen, you have to follow the instructions as they are written out. You're situation is NOT UNIQUE. Every guy that comes here fucked up and scared thinks they are in some special circumstance.....they're not, for the most part.

You guys have the blueprint for success right in front of you and many of you still think you can just pick and choose which parts you want to do.....it doesn't work that way.

Not to sound like a cocky prick, but you guys don't know how lucky you are to have what you have at this point in time. You have the answer right in front of you. JUST DO IT. No tweaks, no alterations, just follow instructions as they are. They are the way they are for a reason.

And let me see....on one hand you have a bald face and loose all your body hair (which is temporary, btw) but will be on your way to recovery....on the other hand you have hair on your face and head but your dick is dead and you feel like death indefinitely.......I don't know, to me it's a no fucking brainer.

Come on man....really?

[Cdsnuts]

CD. You went through PFS for years trying things until you finally landed on what was most effective. You never once tried hormone drugs like Clomid, Amridex, nothing? I imagine you spent a lot of money seeing doctors at first, just trying to get somewhat of a picture. At what point did you realize that the real way out would be the holistic way?

If this is already answered by you on the Forum, I apologize. I just know a system like TMO wasn't put together overnight and you had to have tried all sorts of shit..just very curious!

Thanks man.

I spent tens of thousands of dollars not just on Doctors, but on all types of homeopaths, naturopathic doctors, etc. I took every supp, med. procedure that I could find. I spent alot of time and money to learn that none of it was the right answer. But at least that was something.

And no, I never tried the hormonal route because everything I read on every post (on PH) was just a dead end. And I read EVERY post on that wretched site. And intuitively it just didn't feel like the right answer. I had one doctor put me on androgel for a month and my testosterone was up over a thousand and I still couldn't get it up. I could "feel" that is was more then just hormonal. But you try and tell any doctor that you know something based on "feel" and they'll just laugh you out of their office as they continue to look at their lab results. Well I can tell you my feel is more accurate then their tests and drugs hands fucking down. Call it knowing your body....call it....shit, I don't know what to call it, but I just "knew" it was more then they knew what to do with. And that was a horrible, lonely feeling.

Once I realized I was on my own, and after an unhealthy amount of obsessive research, I went down the fasting/raw food route. The good things started happening from that point on. That's the short version.

I know I would have been healed sooner had I not veered down so many dead end streets, but there was no way I knew it was a dead end unless I went down it. Nobody else was.

This is why I get so pissed at some of these guys that come here and think they can short cut this and that and pick and choose.....I ALREADY TRIED THAT. The regimen that you guys have here is the culmination of all that time and money and work. It's been distilled down as much as, IMO, it can possibly be.

[Benq123]

I spent tens of thousands of dollars not just on Doctors, but on all types of homeopaths, naturopathic doctors, etc. I took every supp, med. procedure that I could find. I spent alot of time and money to learn that none of it was the right answer. But at least that was something.

And no, I never tried the hormonal route because everything I read on every post (on PH) was just a dead end. And I read EVERY post on that wretched site. And intuitively it just didn't feel like the right answer. I had one doctor put me on androgel for a month and my testosterone was up over a thousand and I still couldn't get it up. I could "feel" that is was more then just hormonal. But you try and tell any doctor that you know something based on "feel" and they'll just laugh you out of their office as they continue to look at their lab results. Well I can tell you my feel is more accurate then their tests and drugs hands fucking down. Call it knowing your body....call it....shit, I don't know what to call it, but I just "knew" it was more then they knew what to do with. And that was a horrible, lonely feeling.

Once I realized I was on my own, and after an unhealthy amount of obsessive research, I went down the fasting/raw food route. The good things started happening from that point on. That's the short version.

I know I would have been healed sooner had I not veered down so many dead end streets, but there was no way I knew it was a dead end unless I went down it. Nobody else was.

This is why I get so pissed at some of these guys that come here and think they can short cut this and that and pick and choose.....I ALREADY TRIED THAT. The regimen that you guys have here is the culmination of all that time and money and work. It's been distilled down as much as, IMO, it can possibly be.

Damn, very inspiring, thanks for writing that.

[NotGud]

Sorry, I'm really not trying to pick and choose... I'm just literally flat broke and some supplements are very expensive. I understand that I need to just make it work but it's hard when money is tight.

[DKnighten]

I spent tens of thousands of dollars not just on Doctors, but on all types of homeopaths, naturopathic doctors, etc. I took every supp, med. procedure that I could find. I spent alot of time and money to learn that none of it was the right answer. But at least that was something.

And no, I never tried the hormonal route because everything I read on every post (on PH) was just a dead end. And I read EVERY post on that wretched site. And intuitively it just didn't feel like the right answer. I had one doctor put me on androgel for a month and my testosterone was up over a thousand and I still couldn't get it up. I could "feel" that is was more then just hormonal. But you try and tell any doctor that you know something based on "feel" and they'll just laugh you out of their office as they continue to look at their lab results. Well I can tell you my feel is more accurate then their tests and drugs hands fucking down. Call it knowing your body....call it....shit, I don't know what to call it, but I just "knew" it was more then they knew what to do with. And that was a horrible, lonely feeling.

Once I realized I was on my own, and after an unhealthy amount of obsessive research, I went down the fasting/raw food route. The good things started happening from that point on. That's the short version.

I know I would have been healed sooner had I not veered down so many dead end streets, but there was no way I knew it was a dead end unless I went down it. Nobody else was.

This is why I get so pissed at some of these guys that come here and think they can short cut this and that and pick and choose.....I ALREADY TRIED THAT. The regimen that you guys have here is the culmination of all that time and money and work. It's been distilled down as much as, IMO, it can possibly be.

The most lonely and isolating feeling throughout this has been just that - seeing doctors and them not really knowing what to do besides suggest drugs that I know damn well I should not be taking at 25.. same thing with family, they think between stress and stopping lifting weights, my hormones have become unbalanced. The isolation this shit causes man, it can't be understood unless you go through it. Thanks for that.

Thanks for the response.

[Cdsnuts]

Sorry, I'm really not trying to pick and choose... I'm just literally flat broke and some supplements are very expensive. I understand that I need to just make it work but it's hard when money is tight.

How old are you? You got a credit card? If so, use it. Believe me when I tell you there is no price for good health. I was making very good money when I got hit with this shit and I could have cared less. It really put things in perspective for me. Without good health, NOTHING is worth anything.

Yeah, this whole thing isn't cheap, that's for sure. But like I say on the site, start with a seven herb cycle, go from there.

If you have to, beg, borrow, ask your parents for help.....do what you need to do.