Another PFS victim from 1mg finasteride (once)

[Yus]

Hi guys, i've been on propeciahelp but decided to move on here considering the chaos and negativity there is there.

It's been 35 days since my crash, a little about the backstory: I'm a norwood 1.5 (so much for being vain huh?), and decided to get on finasteride, which was obviously a stupid mistake, but no point looking back now. I took 1 mg finasteride and thought to myself, there's no way for sides right? Immediately 15 minutes after i felt a tingling sensation in my genitals, and a discomfort in my anus region, dick went a bit numb and i thought ok, it'll pass. Went to bed, bam. Sides were gone for 2 days.

So, 2 days after, i'm chilling as i always do late at night playing video games and eating unhealthy, i decided to grab a big fat plate of pasta and ketchup, and 4 hours later. My crash started and the world fell apart, the first thing occuring was the panic attack, slowly followed by temperatures changes in my body, cold flashes, hot flashes, numbness in certain parts of my body, nerve pain, muscle spasms, muscle pain, fatigue, derealization, everything. You name it.

Throughout these 5 weeks, my body has gone through a lot, and this whole experience has been metaphysical, many nights where my hormones would start to play up, i'd experience thoughts and physical feelings that just seemed, really messed up.

Thankfully, i'm doing better now, but i'm still far from recovered.

The sides i'm currently dealing with are:
Nerve damage, the time i took Finasteride my motor nerves/sensory nerves were damaged, i had to manually pour water on my prostate to trigger my urination (i couldn't feel it) (Improved)

Same with my stool, i was constipated for 3 days, and the time i had to go, my body couldn't register it, it felt like something moving in my body with no sensation. (Improved)

Body sensitivity, i couldn't feel heat or cold or friction on my skin (Getting better, but not a it used to be)

My taste buds were completely MESSED UP, everything tasted different and of less, but thank god this is improving too.

The many weeks after my crash i would be sleeping in a zombie-like state, where my thoughts in my head would suddenly turn to dreams (I'd constantly wake up 6-7 times during a night's sleep, and each time i'd have a different dream). Many of my dreams were about someone dying in a very horror-ish way.

My scalp was numb for weeks, but the feeling is returning (although i don't feel any itch, as you'd normally do)

My skin is smooth, this applies to my face aswell, when i shave. I do not experience ANY itch, burns, NOTHING. It's smooth, and i've no idea if this is due to DHT, or downregulating of AR.

The worst side effects i'm experiencing right now is a 24/7 (brainfog), although this is not the typical PFS brainfog, this is more of a lightheadedness, and a slight dissociation. Sadly i don't remember if i had this the first weeks, because i was much more worried about everything else going on, but i'm suspecing it could be due to my thyroid T3/T4 levels being out of whack, or possibly the psychological toll of my crash, resulting in a long-lasting mechanism of defense?

And the other one is, sexual.. I have very little libido, (do have at night time), and minimal sensitivity down there.

I have't been able to get a full blood check-up yet, but will be calling on monday, all the doctors here are on vacation.

It's sad that many of us had to go through shit, many more than others, i do consider myself more lucky than others, although it' still a shit experience. I'm glad to see so many people recovering from this, you guys are amazing being able to endure it for years, and i hope to be one of them sooner or later. I'm not really depressed, or suffering from anhedonia. I can have fun, but i wan't to be myself 100%. I hope you guys can help me, i know this is no life to live forever, and the only option is recovering.

Regards!

[jacknap]

totalmaleoptimization read the website CD made

you caught it early so can probably bounce back super fast if you hop on the protocol! I'd recommend even a 5 day water fast read all about the fasting whilst you do it and that made even recover you right there

[Yus]

totalmaleoptimization read the website CD made

you caught it early so can probably bounce back super fast if you hop on the protocol! I'd recommend even a 5 day water fast read all about the fasting whilst you do it and that made even recover you right there

Thank you Jacnap, congratulations on your recovery. I've tried to stay on my own clean diet for a month, and although i've seen improvements, my sexual sides are still very off. I'll try to look at CDnuts protocol, it looks extreme with the water fast, but whatever it takes.

[Bankai9000]

I saw your posts on PPH, I still went there veeery rarely to checkout experiences about certain micronutrients and stumbled upon your post. Actually the only one I read during the last month, and I was pretty stocked how you handled everything man.
Wouldn't say you've been that "lucky". You've done the right steps right from the start, which probably kicked and allowed your body to heal itself to such a degree.

Keep it up and do the protocol, it'sa good place here man. You've already done a lot which helped you on your own, just keep going and add stuff thats written out here! :D

[Yus]

Hey man, thank you. I try to stay optimistic. I think my case is mostly nerves that has been fucked, sensory nerves right now mostly. I pray to god that they'll recover and aren't permanently damaged. Every day i just hope to see a slight improvement in taste, it seems like a very very improvement, but sometimes it's pretty hard to handle.

[Maxout777]

Hey man, thank you. I try to stay optimistic. I think my case is mostly nerves that has been fucked, sensory nerves right now mostly. I pray to god that they'll recover and aren't permanently damaged. Every day i just hope to see a slight improvement in taste, it seems like a very very improvement, but sometimes it's pretty hard to handle.

Your nerves aren’t screwed up. You’ve got a systemic issue that is causing all systems to suffer.

[Yus]

Your nerves aren’t screwed up. You’ve got a systemic issue that is causing all systems to suffer.

Hey man, most likely you're right, i'm no expert whatsoever. I have been doing my own thing and slowly recovering in some aspects, or god knows if it's natural, but it doesn't seem to be enough. I'll be going under the protocol when my study starts (few weeks), since i have no money. Going to be great going to school with 5% libido and a limp dick, thank you Merck.

[Bankai9000]

Hey guys, i'm not sure if i should be posting it here, if i shouldn't then i apologize.

I'd like to hear if anyone has experienced an alteration in their taste buds? (less taste), that has improved? Would give me tremendous hope, thank you.


Regards

Not taste buds, but I had no feeling on my WHOLE skin for awhile. ANYWHERE. I wouldn't get sore after doing heavy squats and deadlifts. My skin was covered in bedsheet markers/dents for 2 hours after waking up. I had extreme blurry vision. Tinnitus.
It's really not something you like to hear in the beginning, ahaha I remember how I hated it XD. BUT as Maxout says you won't gonna fix specific symptoms since it's a systemic issue^^. You can read into stuff how to focus on liver/kidney/gallbladder health, cortisol, fight/flight, parasympathetic nervous-system. You probably will find one of these things not working right altering the taste of stuff.

[Yus]

Not taste buds, but I had no feeling on my WHOLE skin for awhile. ANYWHERE. I wouldn't get sore after doing heavy squats and deadlifts. My skin was covered in bedsheet markers/dents for 2 hours after waking up. I had extreme blurry vision. Tinnitus.
It's really not something you like to hear in the beginning, ahaha I remember how I hated it XD. BUT as Maxout says you won't gonna fix specific symptoms since it's a systemic issue^^. You can read into stuff how to focus on liver/kidney/gallbladder health, cortisol, fight/flight, parasympathetic nervous-system. You probably will find one of these things not working right altering the taste of stuff.

I experienced the whole skin feeling awell, and the muscle soreness started coming back with a slight fatique, but it's not that bad, can still exercise. And i have the skin dentures aswell after sleeping! Jesus christ haha, they seem to be fading away faster than before though.

I'll look in to it thanks!

[Cdsnuts]

Hi guys, i've been on propeciahelp but decided to move on here considering the chaos and negativity there is there.

It's been 35 days since my crash, a little about the backstory: I'm a norwood 1.5 (so much for being vain huh?), and decided to get on finasteride, which was obviously a stupid mistake, but no point looking back now. I took 1 mg finasteride and thought to myself, there's no way for sides right? Immediately 15 minutes after i felt a tingling sensation in my genitals, and a discomfort in my anus region, dick went a bit numb and i thought ok, it'll pass. Went to bed, bam. Sides were gone for 2 days.

So, 2 days after, i'm chilling as i always do late at night playing video games and eating unhealthy, i decided to grab a big fat plate of pasta and ketchup, and 4 hours later. My crash started and the world fell apart, the first thing occuring was the panic attack, slowly followed by temperatures changes in my body, cold flashes, hot flashes, numbness in certain parts of my body, nerve pain, muscle spasms, muscle pain, fatigue, derealization, everything. You name it.

Throughout these 5 weeks, my body has gone through a lot, and this whole experience has been metaphysical, many nights where my hormones would start to play up, i'd experience thoughts and physical feelings that just seemed, really messed up.

Thankfully, i'm doing better now, but i'm still far from recovered.

The sides i'm currently dealing with are:
Nerve damage, the time i took Finasteride my motor nerves/sensory nerves were damaged, i had to manually pour water on my prostate to trigger my urination (i couldn't feel it) (Improved)

Same with my stool, i was constipated for 3 days, and the time i had to go, my body couldn't register it, it felt like something moving in my body with no sensation. (Improved)

Body sensitivity, i couldn't feel heat or cold or friction on my skin (Getting better, but not a it used to be)

My taste buds were completely MESSED UP, everything tasted different and of less, but thank god this is improving too.

The many weeks after my crash i would be sleeping in a zombie-like state, where my thoughts in my head would suddenly turn to dreams (I'd constantly wake up 6-7 times during a night's sleep, and each time i'd have a different dream). Many of my dreams were about someone dying in a very horror-ish way.

My scalp was numb for weeks, but the feeling is returning (although i don't feel any itch, as you'd normally do)

My skin is smooth, this applies to my face aswell, when i shave. I do not experience ANY itch, burns, NOTHING. It's smooth, and i've no idea if this is due to DHT, or downregulating of AR.

The worst side effects i'm experiencing right now is a 24/7 (brainfog), although this is not the typical PFS brainfog, this is more of a lightheadedness, and a slight dissociation. Sadly i don't remember if i had this the first weeks, because i was much more worried about everything else going on, but i'm suspecing it could be due to my thyroid T3/T4 levels being out of whack, or possibly the psychological toll of my crash, resulting in a long-lasting mechanism of defense?

And the other one is, sexual.. I have very little libido, (do have at night time), and minimal sensitivity down there.

I have't been able to get a full blood check-up yet, but will be calling on monday, all the doctors here are on vacation.

It's sad that many of us had to go through shit, many more than others, i do consider myself more lucky than others, although it' still a shit experience. I'm glad to see so many people recovering from this, you guys are amazing being able to endure it for years, and i hope to be one of them sooner or later. I'm not really depressed, or suffering from anhedonia. I can have fun, but i wan't to be myself 100%. I hope you guys can help me, i know this is no life to live forever, and the only option is recovering.

Regards!

Welcome.

Everything you need to get yourself sorted out is here.

Use the board for your reference.

Good luck.

[Yus]

Thank you, i apologise for listing my sides, i know everyone got their shit, and it isn't a necessity for people to know.

[Cdsnuts]

Thank you, i apologise for listing my sides, i know everyone got their shit, and it isn't a necessity for people to know.

No apology necessary. You'll get a "feel" for the forum as you read through it.

Here we focus on solutions, not problems. But more importantly, we get results. This is all that matters.

[Yus]

No apology necessary. You'll get a "feel" for the forum as you read through it.

Here we focus on solutions, not problems. But more importantly, we get results. This is all that matters.

CDnuts, I've gone through your protocol and showed it to my brother, he's been through some sad stuff for 5 years aswell due to an injection given at a hospital, It's funny to see few of his lifestyle changes being a part of your protocol haha, that's reassuring.

But i think it's time for me to soon go 100% in, i have a question regarding the water fast, how long should i keep going, I've seen you recommend a whole month, but as a person who hasn't ever fasted, would a week initially be alright? I feel a water fast would be extremely beneficial for me in my case, as my brain and body literally feels inflamed.

[Cdsnuts]

CDnuts, I've gone through your protocol and showed it to my brother, he's been through some sad stuff for 5 years aswell due to an injection given at a hospital, It's funny to see few of his lifestyle changes being a part of your protocol haha, that's reassuring.

But i think it's time for me to soon go 100% in, i have a question regarding the water fast, how long should i keep going, I've seen you recommend a whole month, but as a person who hasn't ever fasted, would a week initially be alright? I feel a water fast would be extremely beneficial for me in my case, as my brain and body literally feels inflamed.

Actually, if you can swing it, two weeks in the best bet, but a week for those who are scared or nervous to do so. It's better then nothing and you will get benefits from it.

[CSM25]

Fast --> detox, set your nervous and endocrine system and brain to start rebuilding and healing.
I had like 4-5 vision symptoms alone. So brain/mental? A ton. Dissociation brain fog depression ? well reading and writing like 1000-10000 words a day to zero. extremely active, to believing suicide was the only way out.

you can get healthier than you ever imagined and closer to your goals. mental state and mental health is most crucial. if i was suicidal, i think outside of serious hardcore psyche drugs , water fasting was the only thing I could do that would make sense. Most people who didn't get too much better didn't fast nor workout, eat well, avoid bad foods, live healthily nearly enough, I believe. Write a plan/ copy a plan and stick to it. daily 90days, then a year you look at it 5mins 10mins eventually 2mins, then its just internalized.

Fasting saved my life. And I believe it could help TONS of post drug syndromes I think, and there's some evidence to show that. There are docs studying and showing the world water fasting's power now (like in Toronto, Canada).

I'd be dead, and lived a year of severe trauma, instead of fixing most of that in a month like I did the following January. (wasn't lazy, was scolded' prevented had to move cross country, no one tried to understand. ill never forgive them for that. i forgive me because im free again). I had 40+ symptoms including suicidal 247 (with a disorder most likely that is 30-40% suicide rate anyways). things were dire for very specific biological reasons that I will not get into here.

Now super healthy again. got a family doctor after 2 yrs. dont need one but did it for adhd, like i did in my old city.
Labs this and that didn't help a very similar condition earlier in life, and it certainly didnt this time either (this time was far worse in many ways. both quite bad/dangerous). I told like 40-50 people what to do. If digestion sleep etc is there at all. you can see straight, arent gaining or losing 20-40lb, arent sleepless a year... fasting shd be quite doable.

various medical professionals and pharma workers (research phd's , md's) that i personally know who went to the best schools in the world and know me some of them my entire life... ---> were of little use. like other medical issues i have, you're on your own (but w aid of this forum). stick to the plan. fast... fast LONG, you're half way(+) there then post careful refeed.

he didn't help me. i helped me. i fasted and worked off 70-100lb in my midteens. ive fasted off addictions etc. leaner and leaner every year to a horrifying health state, to literally fitter than people should be who don't have perfect genetics and or steroids, trainers, etc. i was bedridden the better part of a year. felt my face was ruined. im 8-10 percent bodyfat at 172 to near 200lb, and doing 280-500 reps everyday. i worked out 0 x in 2017, well over 330 last year. i couldnt walk or shower most of the first 20-30 days.

had burning urology pain, impaired night vision, couldn't look at something without LAGGING vision and migraines and extreme astigmatism. I fasted well over 80days and well over 43 straight ish, for sure 25-30, then for sure 14, 16, 10 a few times, etc. (first long fast blew those out of the water, but the other ones did lean me up, relieve liver pain, help me in subsequent steps).

I did much of TMO but not all, and did other things. If my brain fog and functioning wasnt so impaired id probably have easily read TMO to be honest. i was well beyond half cured when I did and found I was doing most of it. If you do that, do it all tho. I did ALL of other protocols. I did use prohormones, carb backloading, sun, pct, herb cycling, avoidance of certain compounds, no drinks no gluten no dairy etc etc.

maybe you can do fasted training 20-22hours daily or so, to increase GH, maximize Test, and also: decrease insulin resistance. cold showers... perfect diet. baby steps if needed, but i think that's a waste of time. carb backload, all that. all of TMO. tell your brother some of this above too perhaps.

my mom was fit at times. like when i got into fitness as a teen. sedintary too many carbs recent yrs.
intermittent fasting she's on lower dose thyroid medicine may reduce that and possibly something else, has lost weight, some other hormones improved i forget what she said, i dont talk to family all that much.

I crashed in mexico... laid twice hurt a lot but pain etc got worse as did cognition severely, weeks later back in canada.
lots of girls attracted last year all of it, but i only went out with a couple, i was pretty agitated last year to be honest. and i had some business to attend to. went out with 8 rejected many in recent 8-10weeks. i even reject friendships now. im back and been back over a yr. you could be quickly back to your life. GL. made more money than i ever have. and got my life on track. to what it was except better despite the bad that's occurred. and not compromises. discipline>all.

im sure two weeks fasting would help. i did them all unsupervised tho first ones my parents were around/ i practically hid it and told them what they wanted to hear. family wont understand, and im not looking for reconciliation, just results.
fitness, in some ways looks (aesthetics), finances, career, disorders, "being an adult", have all improved dramatically post post fin syndrome (or nearly. often feel cured but a tiny bit more i can edge off. i wont crash because i havent. i maintain a rigid strict daily regimen), asthma (inhaler 3-4x in 14++ months down from 2-3x a day easily), bipolar/adhd improved.
bullet journal/ plan your steps and future.

[DKnighten]

Actually, if you can swing it, two weeks in the best bet, but a week for those who are scared or nervous to do so. It's better then nothing and you will get benefits from it.

I'm in this same boat. The clinics aren't an option for me at the moment (and I have looked into it a lot). But I plan on doing the clinic fast at some point. I'm just scared about doing it at home/during school. Is there a best way to prep my body for the fast? I have only done 24 hours fasting at the moment.

[CSM25]

Sure not advised. But I did days and days, weeks and weeks and over a month at times at home. Sometimes with family around. Now that im better alone at my condo. 24hrs-72hrs all the time without supervision teens and 20s. (but i am kinda crazy, so I am low inhibition and not risk adverse - basically I don't give a fuck). 24hrs... not gonna do anything. If you've ever been in a coma or blacked out or flew anywhere far away... surely you've gone 24hrs w/o food and literally nothing happened. I did multiple degrees fasted all the time. I only like dinner anyways.

[Yus]

Hey CSM25, damn that's a lot to digest, you sound like you've literally been through hell... And i truly respect the efforts you put in to your recovery, i'll be trying an extended fast next week, i'm just worried because my bodyfat is literally 7-8% as now.

Sorry for asking, did you recover your facial sides?

[CSM25]

ive been thru more than most can imagine. that wasn't even 5-10%.

[CSM25]

1. Re: You're already super leanness:

-I see. This is different then. I know someone who is like 6'6 or even taller and was like 120lb. And they had to do a lot of extra work, in order to tolerate food, and then gain 30lb or so, and then fast like 28-35 days or some large number.
-They are glad they did this. What that was exactly, is difficult to recall but on their log on the other site.
-People who are signif. taller than me and or are extremely lean already/skinny, I don't know. I think gaining weight then fasting may be ideal. It's hard when food causes such issues. Maybe raw vegan 1-2 years like Japanther and some others is a viable option? along with the rest of protocol here or elsewhere (H/S obviously not some crazy PH or SolvePfs thing).
-Sorry that may not sound super helpful, but the info is out there.

2.Re: Facial Side Effects.

Maybe 5.5/6 to 6.5/7. at times 7/7 face side fx gone. unless i had 6 then 6 gone. (do you really expect me to remember everything??)

Been like that since last may or even earlier, maybe june july when I was leaner because I gained 20lb on Randro and 4andro. like 10-14lb in 8 to ten weeks easily (not really easily, it was tough eating and working out all the time).
-My jaw and stuff didn't change size nor did bones or if they did they came back doubt they did change tho.

46mm+ wrists, big chest and back, and jaw before and after fin.

Like yellowing, random spots, some other things. Often feel 7/7 gone.
-best friends tell me you still look like a young fresh faced colleged aged kid (also i dont know why you went crazy/depressed over this). Also, I get ID's often (well not often I usually don't drink. Kind of hate it).

Like sometimes seems recovered sometimes less so. But I did hookup with 8 women in recent 2-3months. They were all pretty good looking. Working on potential relationship maybe, I don't know. I'm not good with LTR's and such. Mostly look the same ish but a bit older, however, one affect remains there. Tiny bit of facial fat loss around eyes, only when smiling very wide. Not doing that, I look the same. Lots of women and guys are attracted to me.

However, I'm super busy, and I can mess up a lot of business, etc endeavors if I get off track/ distracted. So mostly, I keep to myself. Or I try to. I drank 13 shots met two groups of people yesterday and a girl (zero drinks with her). And did 410 reps this morning, 100 dips straight, 150 pushups (2 sets), weights, sports rehab, walked several miles, etc. After that just work.

At the time, it was hell lots I've been thru. In the end it made me stronger and at times a lot more pissed off. I have some age related and stimulant related eyebrow and eye lash thinning and who knows, maybe Im hyper then hypo thyroid or more likely for whatever reason fast metabolism then slow metabolism (speculation), I hope to fix that with TEI. Which I'll also take for asthma, mood, and maybe just maybe ADHD (helped all those and PFS but I can't say that it helped ADHD. It did not hurt it, but if it did help that it would take some time. Some things don't change, but I'm fine with it. ADHD is way better than most those things). Plus I literally have to plan every single day, week, maybe month, and year eventually. Maybe someday I'll be able to plan 6mo or 1.5yrs at a time.. but that's a tall order.

(I know eye brows and eye lashes were medication related, but not fin, seeing as tho I could rub them a tiny bit and they'd fall out when on stims or on an anticonvulsant).

[Yus]

Thanks for the reply, you sound like a boss! I do have eye lashes that has been fucked (looks like spidery legs), along with hair on my arms that seem to point upwards as if i've been electrocuted, my skin all over my body has become stretchy as if i used to weigh 150kg and dropped down to 75kg, bulging and prominent veins all over my body... My nasolabial folds are terrible, deep lines under my eyes and yeah shoot, i thought i'd save my hair, but that's not the case, i don't see how you recover from physical changes, but fuck me i want to. Money is tight right now, and i want to start on a protocol ASAP before things worsen.

I thought about upping my weight and body fat percentage, and then doing a water fast as you mentioned, i just need to figure out how to gain it in a steady pace.

[mcbbould]

I have the exact same vision/derealization symptoms from two pills

[Yus]

I have the exact same vision/derealization symptoms from two pills

How long has it been? Mine has improved by quite a lot, but not feeling exactly as i did before..

Mostly suffering from a lot of confusion/memory issues, libido loss and dick feeling a bit off..

Oh, and i'm down to 3.5-4.5% bodyfat, pretty good shit. Can't even do a water fast before i chub it up.

[mcbbould]

It’s been 1.5 years for me. I’ve done fasting an eaten really well, but not herb cycling. I’m starting that soon

[Bankai9000]

It’s been 1.5 years for me. I’ve done fasting an eaten really well, but not herb cycling. I’m starting that soon

how long did u fast?

[Benq123]

How long has it been? Mine has improved by quite a lot, but not feeling exactly as i did before..

Mostly suffering from a lot of confusion/memory issues, libido loss and dick feeling a bit off..

Oh, and i'm down to 3.5-4.5% bodyfat, pretty good shit. Can't even do a water fast before i chub it up.

If you truly are 3.5-4.5% body fat I wouldn't say that's a good thing for health, way too low

[mcbbould]

Only three days and then went on a super restricted diet of 200-300 cal of veggies/protein a day for 3 weeks. I went from 167-145. This happened when I first crashed. I got in great shape but didn’t help the perceptual/visual issues at all.

[jacknap]

If you truly are 3.5-4.5% body fat I wouldn't say that's a good thing for health, way too low

I'd imagine sweet spot varies. I think africans can do with lower like 8% and northern euros higher for the winters? I wonder what mine is. My top 4 abs are always visible and I can get the bottom 2 to shop with like 2-3 days of diligence. Barely makes a difference with girls so I don't bother that much anymore.

[Yus]

I'd imagine sweet spot varies. I think africans can do with lower like 8% and northern euros higher for the winters? I wonder what mine is. My top 4 abs are always visible and I can get the bottom 2 to shop with like 2-3 days of diligence. Barely makes a difference with girls so I don't bother that much anymore.

Got my bodyfat at 7% with a pretty high accuracy 1.5 years ago, did the test again and averaged between 3.5-4.5%

My packs are bulging out like my veins, and i'm currently 69kg, gained 5.5kg since my crash standing at 185...

I'm not complaining but i already had had a very slim face and chiselled cheekbones, but my skin started to sag out so it looks like i've aged 1-2 years during a short amount of time, not to mention my cheekbones losing it's jag.

First world war problems, i know. I don't mind it, just writin' down a few stats.

[Hulk Smash]

Got my bodyfat at 7% with a pretty high accuracy 1.5 years ago, did the test again and averaged between 3.5-4.5%

My packs are bulging out like my veins, and i'm currently 69kg, gained 5.5kg since my crash standing at 185...

I'm not complaining but i already had had a very slim face and chiselled cheekbones, but my skin started to sag out so it looks like i've aged 1-2 years during a short amount of time, not to mention my cheekbones losing it's jag.

First world war problems, i know. I don't mind it, just writin' down a few stats.

"Cheekbones losing its jag"
Do you mean losing their definition?
Also your skin is sagging?
Do you have bone pain or bone tenderness when pressing or squeezing the bone?

[Yus]

"Cheekbones losing its jag"
Do you mean losing their definition?
Also your skin is sagging?
Do you have bone pain or bone tenderness when pressing or squeezing the bone?

Yes
Yes
And yes, but it's getting better, there were a couple of exercises i couldn't do at the gym, but it's got better.

[Yus]

"Cheekbones losing its jag"
Do you mean losing their definition?
Also your skin is sagging?
Do you have bone pain or bone tenderness when pressing or squeezing the bone?

How're you doing these days by the way? Saw your thread, hope you got some good news to bless upon us :)

[Yus]

Hey guys, it's been a bit more than 4 months since my crash, and i'm doing better.

My derealization is gone, depression is mild, but still there. I haven't the full protocol yet, had to exclude the water & juice fast, and herbs, but looking forward to get on it soon for the last big push.
Skin still looks pretty bad, extreme wrinkles on my hands, feet & below my biceps, still getting pretty bad dentures upon waking up.
Sexual sides are much better, only thing lacking is libido.

Wish ya all a blessed week

[Yus]

It's been around 6-7 months since fin, luckily i've dodged a worsening in sides, all i'm left with is nerves being out of whack during night time, skin issues and very slight fog in mental clarity.

Has anyone had an experience in nerves throughout your body suddenly hurting like shit? I've been doing everything on the website with the exception of rotating herbs, libido and erections are no problem, but the nerves and skin, ahhhh, it's crazy.

[JoeP26]

It's been around 6-7 months since fin, luckily i've dodged a worsening in sides, all i'm left with is nerves being out of whack during night time, skin issues and very slight fog in mental clarity.

Has anyone had an experience in nerves throughout your body suddenly hurting like shit? I've been doing everything on the website with the exception of rotating herbs, libido and erections are no problem, but the nerves and skin, ahhhh, it's crazy.

Yep. I've got bad nerve issues too. My genitals have this sensation where it feels like they're being sucked into my body and throbbing. The outer facing areas of skin (where most body hair grows) all burns like I was in the sun all day without sunscreen. It was much worse at the beginning. I'm not quite sure what can be done about it other than just giving it time. You could try soaking for an hour in Epsom salt baths to sooth it. Those help me a bit.

[Yus]

Yep. I've got bad nerve issues too. My genitals have this sensation where it feels like they're being sucked into my body and throbbing. The outer facing areas of skin (where most body hair grows) all burns like I was in the sun all day without sunscreen. It was much worse at the beginning. I'm not quite sure what can be done about it other than just giving it time. You could try soaking for an hour in Epsom salt baths to sooth it. Those help me a bit.


Don't have a bath tub sadly, but i'm drinking water with spoons of Epsom salt

[Cdsnuts]

Don't have a bath tub sadly, but i'm drinking water with spoons of Epsom salt

Becareful not to give yourself the runs doing this.

[Yus]

Becareful not to give yourself the runs doing this.

Did that during my liver flush, set me back a bit

[JoeP26]

Did that during my liver flush, set me back a bit

Epsom salt is basically pure magnesium sulfate.They say to do this because it "increases liver bile production to push stones out of the ducts" but regular sodium chloride can do this as well. Magnesium in high doses causes diarrhea, fever, flushing, and can affect the nervous system + brain negatively while processing it. If you want do the liver flush, mix in a teaspoon or two of all natural sea salt with a liter of water instead of the epsom salt and sip on that at night time (between 6-8pm) before doing the grapefruit and olive oil mixture at bedtime. That's worked better for me, produced more liver bile, reduced diarrhea, and didn't make me sicker.

[Yus]

Epsom salt is basically pure magnesium sulfate.They say to do this because it "increases liver bile production to push stones out of the ducts" but regular sodium chloride can do this as well. Magnesium in high doses causes diarrhea, fever, flushing, and can affect the nervous system + brain negatively while processing it. If you want do the liver flush, mix in a teaspoon or two of all natural sea salt with a liter of water instead of the epsom salt and sip on that at night time (between 6-8pm) before doing the grapefruit and olive oil mixture at bedtime. That's worked better for me, produced more liver bile, reduced diarrhea, and didn't make me sicker.


Thanks for the info - I won't be doing a liver flush in the far future though, just having a glass of water with Epsom salt once in a while, my nervous system completely fried after fin, hasn't completely recovered yet, and don't want aggravate my body for a while, i'm 7 months post and i still can't handle any gluten whatsoever, feeling a relapse in symptoms after small doses, which is completely absurd.

[Outlaw]

Long time since your last post but how you holding up Yus?