First Androhard Cycle [Archive]

Atticas

10-24-2019, 08:24 PM

Alright, so I'm finally caving.

Bout to go through with my first full fledge prohormone cycle.

For quick notes on my story:
> Took 2 1/4 size finasteride pills and immediately noticed bad signs
> Got off it and developed almost every bad symptom of PFS you could get except erectile dysfunction (eye bags, loose skin around face, muscle degeneration, horrible sleep, depression, suicidal thoughts)
> That was 5 years ago
> Since then, gotten much better - started cycling CDN's herb list (most of them) on and off since about 2 years ago
> Been back in the gym, getting bigger, been going out being more social, depression usually entirely gone

So anyways, I had this stance against prohormones and steroids forever cuz I wanted to try and stay "natural", but honestly, after 5 years, f*ck this. All I mostly have left is the bad eye bags, my balls are still shriveled up most of the time, and my energy levels just don't seem as up as I'd expect them to be.

So here's to trying to finally rid myself of everything once and for all! Today's gonna be my first day, so I'll be updating this shortly. See ya then!

Atticas

10-25-2019, 01:09 AM

Ok so... upon trying to gage how this bottle squirts and what a full size pump is supposed to look like, I'm pretty sure I took like 8 pumps worth or so first shot lol

At first, really didn't feel any different - Went to the gym though and had a great workout... seemed possibly a little bit stronger than normal (got slightly higher numbers and good reps).

Right now as I'm sitting here post-gym though, MAN did I just feel some aggression go through me lmao Idk if these kinda things are supposed to hit you in waves or what, but it's kind of fun.

Anyways, I'll be really excited to see how I sleep tonight on this stuff. I sleep pretty well now but from what I've read, this stuff can make you go out pretty hard

Meegs

10-25-2019, 09:55 AM

Atticas

10-26-2019, 09:27 AM

Ok, so not so much to report on day 2. Took 8 pumps upon waking and now just took another 8 before bed.

I took a rest day from the gym today and also had work off, so I pretty much just relaxed and watched a ton of Blacklist.

Was really excited to see if I slept way better on this stuff than normal, but I woke up multiple times due to stuff outside and my roommate. Hopefully tonight goes better.

Atticas

10-27-2019, 05:41 AM

Day 3:

Slept well - just made myself wake up to early to stream.

GREAT pump in the gym today.

Libido is meh - hasn't been real crazy at all since being on - feels about the same tbh

Everything other than my pump and energy has seemed the same - however I will say I noticed a few times my dick seemed like it was going back to a normal flaccid feel like it used to 5 years ago... so we'll see what becomes of that.

See ya tomorrow!

Atticas

10-28-2019, 07:09 PM

Day 4 (Making this today since I missed yesterday)

Good sleep! Didn't work out, so nothing to report there.

Libido still meh - got urges to look at porn but that's not much imo.

One thing I have noticed on this stuff is that when I take caffeine, I don't have that horrible crash at the end of the day like I would before - so that's been pretty coo.

Balls still shriveled. Dark eye circles still there. Hopefully things keep getting better here soon to come tho

Atticas

10-29-2019, 09:16 AM

Day 5

Slept like a rock until waking myself up a bit early

Libido was pretty chill today until this chick started talking me up on snap about wanting to phuk lol

Eyes still the same - to my surprise though, my balls are hanging a bit lower and moving today! So there's something!

MY BOYS ARE MOVIN' BOYS!!! THEY'RE MOVIN!!!

Benq123

10-29-2019, 03:55 PM

Grats on your boys moving :D haha
Keep us posted, I haven't took the dive into pro hormones yet either but at some point I likely will.

Atticas

10-30-2019, 09:15 AM

Day 6

Ok, so I'll be honest... I didn't know if I was seeing as much of a change as I wanted to at first with the AndroHard, so like the last 2-3 days I've been taking around 10 pumps in the morning and 10 at night (the maximum recommended)

INSANELY good feelings workouts - No big comedown after taking my caffeine - and pretty decently sharp wit-wise.

Balls shriveled back up - eyes still the same... but still givin it time.

OH, and btw, for those who worry about this kinda thing, I actually don't seem to be losing any more hair than I normally would! So no worries there

The Goat

10-31-2019, 06:07 AM

Nice. I am following your log!

Atticas

11-01-2019, 08:10 AM

Day 7 from yesterday

Felt GREAT at work - took caffeine after taking 8 pumps I wanna say

Wanted to try calming down a bit on the pumps cuz I think it was the day before... I had insane energy but I also had a weird tightness in my chest that freaked me out, so I dialed back a bit.

Anyway, got decent sleep - nothing much new to report here.

- - - Updated - - -

Day 8

Took 8 pumps again morning and night.

Had off and on sleep last night - kept waking up randomly... but what sleep I did get felt GREAT.

Also, really noticing some nice bulge in my arms these last couple days. This stuff certainly is legit. Hoping to take advantage of the extra help with muscle mass while I'm bulking here.

Hopefully will get some better sleep tonight.

See ya tomorrow!

tallstraw

11-01-2019, 09:20 AM

dang, I didn't think you would see much in the way of ball shrinkage with this. What is the normal dose, comparatively to what you are taking?

Atticas

11-01-2019, 04:40 PM

dang, I didn't think you would see much in the way of ball shrinkage with this. What is the normal dose, comparatively to what you are taking?

The recommended amount on the tube is like 6-10 pumps day and night.

I thought I saw somewhere CDN had mentioned taking just 4 pumps when going on first cycle but I kind of f*cked that up from the get-go so I just have been staying with the higher doses (8-10)

And yea, honestly I only saw my balls go down for like maybe a day and now they mostly stay shriveled still - but they were like that before I went on this cycle.

Atticas

11-02-2019, 06:52 PM

Day 9 (from yesterday)

Might have finally felt some of that lethargy some of the other members have said to experience from DHT prominent prohormones

I was feeling sluggish at work about until I took caffeine, and even then, wasn't quite feeling the strong energy I've been feeling the last couple days

Might take a day or 2 off the caffeine and see how things go

BTW, I gotta say, the whole feeling of feeling "sharp" mentally that CDN spoke about really is a thing on this stuff - I feel like I've barely ever been at a loss for words on this stuff, and can put together thoughts into speech much clearer than I could have before

Samsemilia

11-03-2019, 10:17 AM

Nice thread!

Did you used creatine before your andro cycle and if yes how does it compare?

Atticas

11-03-2019, 11:02 AM

Nice thread!

Did you used creatine before your andro cycle and if yes how does it compare?

I used creatine for a while pretty consistently but fell off

This is a whole different breed from creatine though, I can tell you that lol

- - - Updated - - -

Day 10

Slept good!

Missed gym, so that sucked

Certainly been seeing more aggression off this stuff - reminding myself that it's likely the prohormones lol

Today I was trying to edit a video and I was getting like OVERLY mad at my computer and what not for having small issues - went to the grocery store and calmed completely down

Anyways, nothing real eventful to talk about today. Till tomorrow!

Atticas

11-04-2019, 10:19 AM

Day 11

Been feeling like a stud at work

Mental clarity is THERE, and girls were looking at me tonight at work, smiling hard and what not. Got a girl's number tonight and we're looking to hang out Friday now.

My energy still feels great - although maybe diminishing just a little... but that might be related to my tolerance with caffeine going up again, and also taking caffeine too early in the day

Sleep, even though only 6 hours, felt good and I didn't feel destroyed by missing the normal extra hour.

Till tomorrow!

Atticas

11-05-2019, 10:10 AM

Day 12

A little weary on energy today, but again, I think that's due to my high tolerance to caffeine, so I may just need to chill out with that for a bit

Great mental clarity today - slept like a rock

Atticas

11-06-2019, 09:33 PM

Day 13

Lethargy as HELLLL

Didn't take my caffeine - got some good editing done but I lost so much motivation towards the end of the day. Skipped gym. Went to sleep. Slept like a rock though! lol

xxaleksi

11-07-2019, 11:29 AM

Atticas

11-08-2019, 06:19 AM

Are you still doing 8 pumps morning and night? I'd drop the dose tbh. That's like 800mg of both androsterone and epi andro if I'm not mistaken. I do 4 pumps in the morning and another 4 at night which is 400mg of both.

Anyway just keep going, you may not notice anything special on cycle but your baseline will improve after you get off it

I've been doing 10 pumps day and night now actually. Been switching it between 8 and 10 really.

- - - Updated - - -

Day 14

More editing - nothing real exciting to report about this day as I was mostly in the house sitting on my ass lol

Atticas

11-08-2019, 06:22 AM

Day 15

Decent energy at work! On day 3 of no-caffeine so it still had its rough moments - but overall still probably better than a day with no prohormones lol

AND HOLY SHIT

MY RIGHT BALLSACK KEEPS ACHING

Like I imagine this is the pain some guys claimed to experience when they first took Finasteride/Propecia... so maybe it's a good sign? Maybe damage is being reversed? Idk, but man it started like 9-10 hours ago and has been coming back sporadically

Anyways, gonna meet up with this girl in about an hour and a half and hopefully can fit some gym in before bed as well. Update you guys again tomorrow!

Karlucchi

11-08-2019, 11:54 AM

xxaleksi

11-08-2019, 12:05 PM

Just a heads up, I think they changed the concentration of the AndroHard. The first bottle I purchased said 2-4 pumps for 1 dose on the label and the lotion was much more white. The newest bottle I have has the dose being 6-10 pumps and the lotion is more clear. I think they diluted the ingredients but I'm not sure.

Damn I didn't even notice that. I bought two bottles a month ago, and I just checked, one of them suggests 2-4 pumps and the other 6-10. Thanks for posting that.

Atticas

11-09-2019, 08:52 AM

Day 16

Got like 5 hours of sleep.... decided I was gonna break my no-caffeine streak and take 300mg today so I'd have more energy at work.

Took the normal 10 pumps again today before taking the caffeine - felt ok at first at work but felt AMAZING after taking the caffeine

Got in a great arm workout today too and overall just feeling good at the moment.

Gonna try and get a good, deep 7 1/2 - 8 hours of sleep today and will report back tomorrow.

Atticas

11-12-2019, 07:24 AM

Day 17

Nothing much to report here. Worked all day - no workout - bleh

Day 18

Decent energy at work - GREAT workout at the end of the day - other than that - nothing new to report

Day 19

TODAY lol I've been a bit behind on these, I know...

Anyways, nothing much to report today either unfortunately. I saw my balls hanging low once again! But other than that, I've just been trapped at work this week a lot and so I can't really speak for feeling too different from how I've been feeling.

Mental clarity still feels much better, sleep like a rock, and always seem to have more energy than I used to before this cycle - that being said, today I felt dead around the last hour of my work - but that could also just be because I've been there 5 nights straight now and it's an incredibly boring job. Plus I took my caffeine early in the day.

Anyways, hopefully I'll have some more exciting news to come, especially once I finally get some days off here

Atticas

11-13-2019, 09:48 AM

Day 20

Experiencing a bunch of.... itchy head today?

Also, energy was great again today. FINALLY got myself a good 8 hours of sleep - went out like a rock, then took 300mg of caffeine and the day flew by

Gonna get only like 6 hours again today, but then I'll be off work for 5 days straight and can really see just how good my sleep will be again

Till tomorrow!

Samsemilia

11-13-2019, 01:46 PM

Atticas

11-14-2019, 05:46 AM

Keep it up! How is your gut and digestion can you eat whatever?

I don't think I've had any different problems eating whatever I want.

That being said, I have a bunch of food allergies and intolerances, so I'm normally on a paleo-style diet year round anyway.

I eat eggs, fruits, rice, fish, juice, organic bars, chicken, these turkey pepperoni things, and these tortilla-alternative chips mostly now. I obviously can have other foods, but this is just like my normal routine.

That also being said, I have avoided drinking out of fear of what this plus alcohol could do to my liver/body.... so no results from testing that yet. I may try drinking a littttle this weekend, but I wouldn't wanna get anywhere near dangerous territory

Atticas

11-14-2019, 05:49 AM

Day 21

Wow! Been 3 weeks already? Huh...

Anyways, another fairly boring day at work. Mental clarity was good though - could fire off in witty ways in conversation and also was storming through ideas for my YouTube again, which is pretty much what I'm used to doing with some of my spare time staring at the floor.

Gonna have 5 days off finally now though, so I'll get more of a chance to see what some quality sleep will do me on this stuff, plus really focus on getting in all my calories/macros for my bulk ; )

Update you guys tomorrow!

Atticas

11-15-2019, 08:11 PM

Day 22

Got about 8 hours of GREAT sleep. Woke up once in between, but was out like a light once I drifted off.

Watched a ton of blacklist and ran some errands - then hit gym. Dear diary lol not a super eventful day, but the sleep thing and the good workout were nice

Till tomorrow!

Atticas

11-17-2019, 03:23 AM

Day 23

Got some great editing done - ideas were firing - and finally forced myself to go do a leg day (which I'd been skipping out on for like a week or so)

Great sleep again, but with interruptions from my roommate and his gf. Either way, felt great after I got around a total of 7-8 hours in.

slader1

11-17-2019, 01:48 PM

Damn I didn't even notice that. I bought two bottles a month ago, and I just checked, one of them suggests 2-4 pumps and the other 6-10. Thanks for posting that.

I checked with the company and was told that the first labelling was a misprint- that the correct dosage has always been 6-8 pumps. I was also informed that the new bottles contain *none* of the 4-dhea as listed on the bottle. That is, apparently, also a misprint.

So, to clarify, the new bottle has the correct dosage instructions, but the wrong ingredients. The old product has the correct ingredients, but wrong dosages.

Cdsnuts

11-17-2019, 03:38 PM

Good log.

My guess is you'll be looking forward to your next cycle after this for sure......Especially once you see the positives that stick. You'll also get better feel for the cycle of the healing process in general. First time cycle's always seem to "get it" after their first one.

xxaleksi

11-19-2019, 07:55 AM

I checked with the company and was told that the first labelling was a misprint- that the correct dosage has always been 6-8 pumps. I was also informed that the new bottles contain *none* of the 4-dhea as listed on the bottle. That is, apparently, also a misprint.

So, to clarify, the new bottle has the correct dosage instructions, but the wrong ingredients. The old product has the correct ingredients, but wrong dosages.

Thanks for the clarification. It's weird though, Trump_1776 on hackstasis said he also contacted Muscle Gelz and they told him that AndroHard has contained 4-DHEA for a while now.

Conflicting stuff man, probably gonna hold off my next cycle till this gets figured out.

slader1

11-19-2019, 05:49 PM

Thanks for the clarification. It's weird though, Trump_1776 on hackstasis said he also contacted Muscle Gelz and they told him that AndroHard has contained 4-DHEA for a while now.

Conflicting stuff man, probably gonna hold off my next cycle till this gets figured out.

I asked about that, and I was told that was a mistake made by the producer. Apparently it has never contained the 4-dhea, that was supposed to be the ingredients for a new product.

This is part of the email interaction I had with preston, the musclegelz sales rep.

"Preston,

Okay thanks. And just to clarify- androhard contains no 4-andro or 4-dhea in it?

That is important because 4-dhea is known to aromatize.

Thanks,
Slade R"

"That’s correct no 4 Andro, I swear. We thought about adding it in and our web developer went ahead and added it in there and we didn’t even know it!

We are going to do a separate 4 Andro 1 Andro product mix called Gear in the future.

Hope this helps resolve all the confusion :)

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Thanks!

Preston "

xxaleksi

11-20-2019, 04:20 AM

I asked about that, and I was told that was a mistake made by the producer. Apparently it has never contained the 4-dhea, that was supposed to be the ingredients for a new product.

This is part of the email interaction I had with preston, the musclegelz sales rep.

"Preston,

Okay thanks. And just to clarify- androhard contains no 4-andro or 4-dhea in it?

That is important because 4-dhea is known to aromatize.

Thanks,
Slade R"

"That’s correct no 4 Andro, I swear. We thought about adding it in and our web developer went ahead and added it in there and we didn’t even know it!

We are going to do a separate 4 Andro 1 Andro product mix called Gear in the future.

Hope this helps resolve all the confusion :)

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Thanks!

Preston "

Thanks for that man. Was considering contacting the company myself, but this explains a lot.

Atticas

11-20-2019, 05:38 PM

I checked with the company and was told that the first labelling was a misprint- that the correct dosage has always been 6-8 pumps. I was also informed that the new bottles contain *none* of the 4-dhea as listed on the bottle. That is, apparently, also a misprint.

So, to clarify, the new bottle has the correct dosage instructions, but the wrong ingredients. The old product has the correct ingredients, but wrong dosages.

Wait, so am I taking any of the wrong stuff then? or am I good?

This sucks if I'm missing out on any solid effects I should be getting otherwise

Atticas

11-20-2019, 05:42 PM

Day 24 + 25

Spent both days mostly kept up in my room editing. Finally posted two videos for my channel though, and it was good stuff so that's extra revenue coming my way.

Day 26

Went back into work - low energy - the lethargy feeling some users report I guess could describe it.

That being said though, I also got only like 4-5ish hours of sleep, so I'm sure that didn't help.

Gonna take another break from caffeine as I think my tolerance is just too high rn and I should probably take like a solid month off of it - don't wanna mess with the good energy I've been getting from this so far

Also, day 4 no fap if anyone cares LOL Gonna try and hold off for a while out of just wanting to better myself and to see what possible benefits I may feel from it

slader1

11-20-2019, 06:01 PM

It looks like your good. How many pumps did you say you're doing? I did 4 pumps twice daily and it hit me like a ton of bricks.

Atticas

11-21-2019, 01:57 AM

It looks like your good. How many pumps did you say you're doing? I did 4 pumps twice daily and it hit me like a ton of bricks.
I’ve been doing 10, twice a day

Atticas

11-23-2019, 09:22 PM

Day 27

Got like 4-5 hours of sleep - first day off caffeine - felt like absolute trash

Went to work but called out early, went home and got some better sleep

Day 28

After some better sleep, felt much better at work

Normal-ish energy throughout the day, and got a good workout in

Day 29

Stuck at work - normal day mostly

ALTHOUGH, I was on day 6 no fap alongside being on day 3 without caffeine, and day 29 on this stuff.....

AND MAN, was I gettin boners at work. I had to chill out for a couple minutes and just hope no one was gonna call me over for help (which happens often at my work)

Slept great as well

Atticas

11-26-2019, 10:58 PM

Day 30

Day off - chilled, got a workout in I believe - feeling aight

Day 31 - 32

Stuck at work these days.

Energy starting to feel better as I was approaching day 4-5 no caffeine, as well as day 8-9 no fap.

If I think of something too hot with a girl, I'll likely get a boner at work lol gotta chill with that

Mental clarity getting better as well - it was down a little bit since I was missing out on sleep, but recovering well I believe.

Still taking the 10 pumps per day - doesn't feel as strong as it was when I first started taking it - kind of sad, but I'm still gonna ride this out till about a 2nd month's worth (the whole bottle) before I stop

Atticas

11-28-2019, 09:29 AM

Day 33

Finally got off work

Got in a gooooood back workout and did almost nothing productive all day lol got some great sleep this day too though.

Day 10 no fap - libido not too strong - know a girl I could hit up for almost immediate sex but just don't feel like it honestly - Wanna relax

Bankai9000

11-28-2019, 11:22 AM

the only time I managed to do 10 days nofap was when my dick was physically unable to get errect XD, so respect and good job for keeping it all together, no caff, no fap etc.
and good log, know that many don't comment, but probably everyone reads^^

Atticas

11-30-2019, 03:31 AM

Atticas

11-30-2019, 03:34 AM

Day 34

Finally took some caffeine after like 7-8 days of no caffeine - seemed to have like absolutely no effect. That being said, I only took 200mg so maybe I just gotta take more at this point. I'm 6'1, near 200lbs, so probably not a bad idea.

Also, it was Thanksgiving - no workout - just ate and got fat. Yay.

Day 35

Took 300mg this day. Still didn't seem to do much for me.

Did most nothing all day. Enjoying my last days off before going back to work.

Also, rip my no fap streak :'' (

Was a strong 12 days.

Sleep and energy during the day still going well

Atticas

12-02-2019, 05:00 PM

Day 36

I uhhh.... discovered Grand Theft Auto 5. Played it all day. All day. Complete degenerate. Energy and sleep were good

Day 37

Ok, so this was something different - It was my friend's 32nd birthday, and so I finally drank for the first time since getting on this stuff.

Told myself I was gonna have like 2 drinks, which of course, never happens - Ended up getting literal black-out drunk.

The good news = I survived obviously as of writing this!

Woke up in some girl's bed that I had just met that night. Felt like absolute trash from the hangover

Day 38

Full on recovery mode from the night before. Had to go back to work.

First few hours of the night, I felt like absolute trash. Not even this stuff could save me from this hangover lol but I recovered later into the night.

Slept G R E A T

xxaleksi

12-06-2019, 05:39 AM

I'm considering doing another cycle of androhard soon too but I'm a bit hesitant due to the recent label changes. I have two old bottles (probably two weeks worth of gel left in both) and the new bottle when they updated it. And yeah the new version does look a lot more watery. It kinda worries me that they've changed the ingredients somehow even though the ingredients label hasn't changed. Also, I emailed Muscle Gelz and they told me 12 pumps equals 100mg of Andro/Epiandro, which is confusing since I've read on multiple forums that ONE pump equals 50mg of both. The guy told me the dosing has always been 12 pumps = 100mg.

All this conflicting info makes me gun shy to do another cycle. Might just do a short cycle of the old product I have left. Or could just do the rest of my recovery natty but I'm out of pine pollen powder and can't get any more for a few weeks to a month, so this seems like the perfect opportunity to do a small cycle.

Sorry for hijacking your thread btw lol

markuss

12-11-2019, 01:04 PM

Are the pumps for androhard very small? I’m starting my cycle and each pump seems like a very small dosage, maybe the pump isn’t working right

Atticas

12-15-2019, 07:49 AM

Are the pumps for androhard very small? I’m starting my cycle and each pump seems like a very small dosage, maybe the pump isn’t working right

The pumps look really small, but the recommended dosage is like 6-10, twice a day, so you're likely getting more than enough as long as you follow that - don't worry.

Atticas

12-15-2019, 07:55 AM

My bad for not writing on here for quite some time.

Probably on like... day 46?

Honestly, at this point, I've kind of lost motivation.

Haven't been feeling much different - maybe it's just that I'm so used to how I feel now on this stuff, or that I'm just not experiencing many new things, but I felt like I'd just be repeating some of the same stuff here.

My eyebags are still very present, testicles still shrunken - but of course energy and sleep are still pretty good. Laying off caffeine now probably for a month or more, cuz my body has just NOT been responding that well to it lately... either because my tolerance is too high or because of the prohormones just already doing everything it's doing to my system.

To be honest, I kinda can't wait to be off this stuff in 2 weeks or so just to see how my body will respond to coming down and the Andro being replaced with herbs again.

Just ordered some Stag Swag and Mushroom Tincture to add to my collection of like.... 14 herbs or so in the kitchen, so I'm really, really hoping to see some new developments take place once I'm in post-cycle.

Anyways, if you guys want me to keep updating this for the next 2 weeks, let me know. Can't promise you any exciting new developments, but hey - this was worth a shot in my book