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xxiv
02-15-2013, 07:28 PM
will you pct after the osta or bridge?

Scope75
02-15-2013, 10:29 PM
will you pct after the osta or bridge?

Fuck Yeah I'll pct!!!
I'm 27 and won't skimp out on any aspect of a cycle no matter how mild it may be.
PCT will be torem, and natty products.
Not sure on my weight right now hopeing its 210 or more but ill know in the am when I do my weekly weigh in.
Would be nice to end mass and osta at around 220@12%.

Scope75
02-16-2013, 08:39 AM
.5ml or 12.5mg of Skyward Reasearch Osta down the hatch.
Started it this morning because today is kind of the start of my week as far as training and things go.

First thing I noticed is Osta taste like a Bag of Buttholes!! Lol

Scope75
02-16-2013, 08:49 AM
This week 208
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/CA901581-622E-4FB9-B669-4E006BFED52A-21268-0000139455285F17_zpsa3495918.jpg

Last week 210
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/09B82A0A-4B75-4C2C-9FCA-EB2AE3FEC71F-10945-00000B3C703A0718_zps8c4a9ddb.jpg

Not to happy with the 2 pound drop but it is what it is.
I'll eat extra carbs tonight and next week cals will be raised too.

Scope75
02-16-2013, 12:19 PM
How I looked at the start start of Carb Nite Solution.....
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/79DD2DEB-36A5-470E-B4A2-3A7976DDA329-40446-00001D5B1EC590B1_zps9039621f.jpg

This morning 4 weeks later....
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/CA901581-622E-4FB9-B669-4E006BFED52A-21268-0000139455285F17_zpsa3495918.jpg

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No cardio and just got back on my feet again 10-14 days ago.

Scope75
02-16-2013, 08:06 PM
Some of tonight's Madness!!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/35CE21FF-99A3-44A8-B5ED-08347102DACD-21268-00001402F5CE38B4_zpsba0fa822.jpg

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Did someone say SUSHI???
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/4B0DB66D-927E-4BB7-8282-B3DFD0095291-21268-0000140BF7D40498_zps2f194d3b.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/F851F23C-7238-4F8B-B616-1E9C05F3A3A7-21268-0000140BEF54FFCA_zps7b8aaa3f.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/1A18A27D-9BDB-42DB-A76C-0F544229EC5D-21268-0000140BE8C57388_zps732cf351.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/9773EB49-B21C-4263-9AF4-84199A1E06A8-21268-0000140BE3B15C73_zpsefb5f4c6.jpg
This is how I fucking get down on a CarbNite/Refeed!!!

Scope75
02-17-2013, 08:57 AM
Ate a ton of carbs and I put on 12 pounds yeasterday!!!
208 to 220.5 and I don't feel crazy bloated of uncomfortable.
Time to pound water and get flushed out.

h2s
02-17-2013, 11:50 AM
Ate a ton of carbs and I put on 12 pounds yeasterday!!!
208 to 220.5 and I don't feel crazy bloated of uncomfortable.
Time to pound water and get flushed out.

Uh, holy shit.

Also that sushi looks awesome.

Scope75
02-17-2013, 03:03 PM
Uh, holy shit.

Also that sushi looks awesome.

Yeah I woke up SWOLE!!! Lol

I haven't had sushi in like 10 months and those 4 rolls went down oh so smooh. It'll be in most of my CarbNites from now on.

Oh and wait until I get sushi from Pink Godzilla in Santa Cruz...
Now that shit is amazing!!!

DJM
02-17-2013, 03:39 PM
sushi buffet around here, really good, but there calmar is unreal so i never down that much sushi

12lbs jesus

DJM
02-17-2013, 03:53 PM
sushi buffet around here, really good, but there calmar is unreal so i never down that much sushi

12lbs jesus

Bucks
02-17-2013, 04:04 PM
Ate a ton of carbs and I put on 12 pounds yeasterday!!!
208 to 220.5 and I don't feel crazy bloated of uncomfortable.
Time to pound water and get flushed out.

Man that's crazy! What do you think your carb count was ? I'm thinking of trying one of these to change up my diet as I'm always keeping carbs low with a medium carb day per week . I hate carb bloat though.

Scope75
02-17-2013, 05:19 PM
sushi buffet around here, really good, but there calmar is unreal so i never down that much sushi

12lbs jesus

I won't even go into a sushi buffet place... That might get ugly.

I don't even know where that 12 pounds really went either because I feel great today.
Coffee and water has me pretty flushed out and I'll be down a good amount tomorrow morning but I won't weigh myself.

Scope75
02-17-2013, 05:31 PM
Man that's crazy! What do you think your carb count was ? I'm thinking of trying one of these to change up my diet as I'm always keeping carbs low with a medium carb day per week . I hate carb bloat though.

I don't even count anymore but if I had to guess I probably ate around 1500g of carbs last night.
If I keep everything pretty gluten free I don't bloat much at all.
Here's how I looked this morning at 220. That wieght is after pissing all night, a few shits, and then the morning piss and shit.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/9B1FC61B-7C2A-4D31-A3A8-BF9CCF39679C-21268-000014A3DFA0FF10_zpsf81154f0.jpg

Scope75
02-17-2013, 05:39 PM
Oh and its day 2 of osta and I now dose it with pre workout powder in my mouth because that shit is nasty and lingers for a good while.
That shouldn't effect it any right??

VayneZ
02-17-2013, 06:01 PM
Dude, You are looking awesome man! Wow!

And jeezzz, my stomach is growwllliinngg and looking at those sushi's.... Why do you do this to us man?! :(

But really man, just looking at those results, I gotta keep this carbnite, see where it takes me

Scope75
02-17-2013, 06:16 PM
Dude, You are looking awesome man! Wow!

And jeezzz, my stomach is growwllliinngg and looking at those sushi's.... Why do you do this to us man?! :(

But really man, just looking at those results, I gotta keep this carbnite, see where it takes me
Thanks bro and if anyone says CarbNite or Back Loading doesn't work I'm living breathing proof it does. Lol I highly recommend anyone looking to drop mostly BF get on this diet.

In 4 weeks I'll fully deplete and cut water the last week for an epic update pic.

Scope75
02-17-2013, 06:24 PM
Current pic of the wheels.

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/A359EAD0-AEA6-44BE-AF3A-651EA391F249-21268-0000142C101D8DD5_zps980fd87c.jpg

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/FFCBC829-85E9-478E-8835-BBED2DD7FF39-21268-0000142D05E47C8D_zps44be0824.jpg

Pics are first thing in the morning fresh and full depleted Saturday.

O_RYAN_007
02-17-2013, 07:06 PM
Ate a ton of carbs and I put on 12 pounds yeasterday!!!
208 to 220.5 and I don't feel crazy bloated of uncomfortable.
Time to pound water and get flushed out.

Thats fucken insane major!

VayneZ
02-18-2013, 07:13 AM
You got me hooked on this amazing ride bro. I owe ya big time! Carbnite ownes!!!

Btw, what happened to your legs dude?! They just mutated and became extremly veiny and swollen :p

NICE!!!! Man, you are heading in the right direction in a very awesome way!!!

Scope75
02-18-2013, 07:42 AM
You got me hooked on this amazing ride bro. I owe ya big time! Carbnite ownes!!!

Btw, what happened to your legs dude?! They just mutated and became extremly veiny and swollen :p

NICE!!!! Man, you are heading in the right direction in a very awesome way!!!

Hahaha...
Yeah CarbNite is working great for me and following it is so easy for me to do. I kick myself everyday for not starting this shit earlier. Lol

Legs are my favorite and everyday is a squat or dead lift day. Everyday!!!
Lighter weights lots of fucking reps... For now until my leg is 6-8 weeks out of the boot then I'll take my lifts up a notch.

Thanks a again man and shit is looking good for 2013!!!

Scope75
02-18-2013, 09:00 AM
Here's the back/side of a leg. Hard for me to get a good angle and pic, and I'll try and get someone to take pics for me soon.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/87C97F0C-44AD-4F3F-8CA7-F0CFBBEDAFE2-21268-0000155C3584ECD0_zpsd1889406.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/90C45829-C6D9-4BE9-B342-DD36CDA599A2-21268-0000155C30FF3F90_zpsa14db51a.jpg

xxiv
02-18-2013, 11:24 AM
Hahaha...
Yeah CarbNite is working great for me and following it is so easy for me to do. I kick myself everyday for not starting this shit earlier. Lol


so how exactly does it work? Your progress is pretty fucking profound, I gotta try this too.

Scope75
02-18-2013, 11:50 AM
so how exactly does it work? Your progress is pretty fucking profound, I gotta try this too.

No carbs for 6.5 days and then you load carbs for 6-8hrs leading up to your bed time.
Its simple as fuck and you reay can't go wrong if you don't eat any carbs and keep the fats high.

VayneZ
02-18-2013, 04:21 PM
so how exactly does it work? Your progress is pretty fucking profound, I gotta try this too.

DO IT!!! (peer pressure! HEAVYYYYY peer pressure :mad:)

Scope75
02-18-2013, 04:32 PM
DO IT!!! (peer pressure! HEAVYYYYY peer pressure :mad:)
What he said. Lol

If your looking to recomp or drop BF I'd try out Carb Nite Solution or a variation of it. There really is nothing to lose (other than fat) by trying it out. Give it 4 weeks and if your not happy drop it and go back to your regular diet.
After eating like this for a month I don't plan on ever eating different unless I have to.

xxiv
02-18-2013, 07:19 PM
so the diet consists of meats and low carb veggies and thats pretty much it? is the an amount you try to stay under?

Scope75
02-18-2013, 08:51 PM
As little carbs as possible is best but keep it under 30 a day and never more than 10g at a time.
Lots of saturated fats and meat.

Here's how I eat all the time.
Pound of bacon 6-8 whole eggs the fried cheese is a treat and not a part of a normal meal.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/82438002-26EB-43DF-9887-DA0B253C16A1-21268-0000153927FDE727_zps11693e9b.jpg

1.25# of beef, .5# bacon, and a bunch of spinach
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/F921C4FF-3997-4315-B7FB-8E99254438A3-14988-00000DDEC44C9788_zps50e0821f.jpg

O_RYAN_007
02-18-2013, 08:59 PM
How's the strength with this diet? Has it gone down any? The veins look great brother!

Scope75
02-18-2013, 10:04 PM
How's the strength with this diet? Has it gone down any? The veins look great brother!

I started light and was out for a month but strength is there just letting the leg heal good and strong.
I've never felt this good in my life!!!

I sound like I'm pimping this diet but I seriously enjoy eating like this and 1 CarbNite a week is perfect for me and my lifestyle.

Scope75
02-18-2013, 10:20 PM
Fucking killed deads today!!!!
Here's how it went down...
155x20
185x20
225x20
275x5
315 4x5

Pulling 315 today is a big step forward for me, and to have it feel the way it felt in my hands was even better because I never struggled for a single rep. Last week I was just doing reps of 225.

Oh, and it means I'll hit 275-315 on squats Wednesday!!!

Scope75
02-18-2013, 10:24 PM
Tonight's Post Workout Dinner!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/37AE238B-CB0B-4187-99AF-4E804F54E865-25407-000016F0C99AB8BD_zpsbf31d6bf.jpg

Cooked to perfection!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/616A29C5-80E5-46A9-839C-6A1202E12B24-25407-000016F0CE3C8EF2_zps2abbc5eb.jpg

O_RYAN_007
02-18-2013, 10:31 PM
I started light and was out for a month but strength is there just letting the leg heal good and strong.
I've never felt this good in my life!!!

I sound like I'm pimping this diet but I seriously enjoy eating like this and 1 CarbNite a week is perfect for me and my lifestyle.

I like the way this sounds, I gave the keto a chance a while back, but didn't really dig it that much... I just don't think I ate enough fats though. But now with all the grassfed organic ground beef I eat, coupled with all the organic whole eggs, organic cheese, and organic butter, I think i got the fats down. I may give this a try sometime in the summer.

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I started light and was out for a month but strength is there just letting the leg heal good and strong.
I've never felt this good in my life!!!

I sound like I'm pimping this diet but I seriously enjoy eating like this and 1 CarbNite a week is perfect for me and my lifestyle.

I like the way this sounds, I gave the keto a chance a while back, but didn't really dig it that much... I just don't think I ate enough fats though. But now with all the grassfed organic ground beef I eat, coupled with all the organic whole eggs, organic cheese, and organic butter, I think i got the fats down. I may give this a try sometime in the summer.

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Fucking killed deads today!!!!
Here's how it went down...
155x20
185x20
225x20
275x5
315 4x5

Pulling 315 today is a big step forward for me, and to have it feel the way it felt in my hands was even better because I never struggled for a single rep. Last week I was just doing reps of 225.

Oh, and it means I'll hit 275-315 on squats Wednesday!!!

You pulling conventional or sumo?

Scope75
02-18-2013, 10:56 PM
Bro...
If your eating all that good stuff now jump in this diet. All you'd need to do is have a CarbNite every 6-8 days and eat less than 30g carbs a day. I was keto and a bunch of other low carb protocols and I never enjoyed them much but this CarbNite diet rocks.
I'm putting on pounds and leaning out while on 8 caps of AndroMass and I just started Osta at 12.5mg.

I'm pulling conventional.

I finished the workout with wide grip pull-ups
BW 5x8

Sorrow
02-19-2013, 07:25 AM
Hell yeah! Nice work on the deads, and more great food!

Scope75
02-19-2013, 10:13 PM
Ready for today's episode of Crazy Ass Meals!!!
Fuck chicken fried steak.... I do Bacon Fried Ribeye!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/9D7C5526-CA29-4C53-9CD5-3F578A35D7FF-26694-00001834F77BF861_zps6b482b3e.jpg
Oh yeah!!! Soak up that bacon fat...
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/5FA39F88-3B25-41C9-B502-5B3526917FC4-26694-00001834FD3E49D0_zps1de473bd.jpg
6oz Ribeye
.6lbs Bacon
6 whole eggs with 3tbs HWC cooked in bacon fat
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/9983DD64-86B7-4E4E-A358-E90493495761-26694-00001835025DD809_zps6a7ee684.jpg

O_RYAN_007
02-20-2013, 06:35 AM
Bro...
If your eating all that good stuff now jump in this diet. All you'd need to do is have a CarbNite every 6-8 days and eat less than 30g carbs a day. I was keto and a bunch of other low carb protocols and I never enjoyed them much but this CarbNite diet rocks.
I'm putting on pounds and leaning out while on 8 caps of AndroMass and I just started Osta at 12.5mg.

I'm pulling conventional.

I finished the workout with wide grip pull-ups
BW 5x8


Sounds like i WILL give this a go... As I jump on Carbnite I'll be hitting you up for advice.

Scope75
02-20-2013, 07:15 AM
Sounds like i WILL give this a go... As I jump on Carbnite I'll be hitting you up for advice.

Nice....
You'll like this diet, and its so simple and works well if you keep it simple.
No carbs 6.5 days then carb up for 6-8hrs leading to bed. Done deal. Lol

Scope75
02-20-2013, 01:34 PM
Lunch
1.4 pounds of turkey breast cubed
5-6tbs CO
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/E32F78A6-61DF-4BC8-83E1-8785FF211B71-27236-000018F50E1391F8_zps4aead40f.jpg
Damn microwave took a shit, so the blow torch was brought out. 8)
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/F2F1A99B-369D-4EF6-BA92-B5E024E0E787-27236-000018F519571269_zpsc35f7d15.jpg

DJM
02-20-2013, 02:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M5LCPdzsC8

Scope75
02-20-2013, 02:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M5LCPdzsC8

I fucking love that clip and episode!!

Scope75
02-20-2013, 03:15 PM
Had to post that video in my log on the DH forum...
Clip should get some laughs.

DJ thanks for posting that!!

Scope75
02-20-2013, 09:26 PM
SQUAT DAY!!!!!

Fucking killed it today and it felt Great.....
135x20
185x20
225x20
275 5x5
315x2

OHP
5x10

Done

Felt really strong today and I'm 4 days no carb!!!
As soon as I do a set a switch is flipped and on the 3 set of 275 if just felt like 225 so I had to try out 315 and those 2 reps where legit no half ass bullshit parallel or more on all reps done.

Scope75
02-20-2013, 09:31 PM
Dinner Time!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/60B07F52-DB8E-4B0F-8B84-42447E1BFDD8-27236-00001961AF37D203_zpsec2aad04.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/EF7EE1FE-72EF-4ED2-A418-264578296A29-27236-000019635C6885BE_zpsf0f9e41d.jpg

Scope75
02-21-2013, 08:29 AM
Started Osta this past Saturday and I'm starting to get headaches. Got one last night while squating and again this morning while squating light.

What causes these headaches?
Dosing right now is 12.5mg every morning.

Scope75
02-21-2013, 02:09 PM
First meal...
6-7tbs CO
2 cans of full fat wild planet tuna

CO and hot sauce mixed and mashed together.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/51B5F77A-C19D-40A4-9B69-A8130426BCB4-28720-00001A15D2F958D6_zpsa24a812e.jpg
The above with the tuna added
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/620997DF-8C0B-448F-8123-59DB00FB318F-28720-00001A15D80ADE5E_zps0ccb2361.jpg
Mashed together ready to eat.. This is a killer combo
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/A5F7C203-4E0F-4A3C-8589-C35CB4242579-28720-00001A15DC54036F_zpsc0bc7c0b.jpg
Also just ate 1-2tbs CO while making this meal.

nate3993
02-21-2013, 02:19 PM
LOVE wild planet tuna. small fish who have less mercury, no bpa in the can. how awesome is that. saw it on the john meadows vid, and then costco started selling it. leagues and leagues above regular canned tuna. it's almost like eating a different fish taste wise. amazing how much omega's are in it too.

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what's co?

Scope75
02-21-2013, 02:31 PM
LOVE wild planet tuna. small fish who have less mercury, no bpa in the can. how awesome is that. saw it on the john meadows vid, and then costco started selling it. leagues and leagues above regular canned tuna. it's almost like eating a different fish taste wise. amazing how much omega's are in it too.

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what's co?

The Meadows video and Costco stocking it are why I eat it too.

CO is Coconut Oil

nate3993
02-21-2013, 02:48 PM
really? coconut oil and fish? seems like a salty, sweet thing going on. not sure i'd like it.

Scope75
02-21-2013, 04:03 PM
really? coconut oil and fish? seems like a salty, sweet thing going on. not sure i'd like it.

IMO its fucking killer!!!
The coconut isn't strong if that's what your thinking. I can eat CO with a spoon and I hate coconut. Lol
I've never liked just coconut but CO is on point. I fry everything in CO, Butter, or Bacon fat.

nate3993
02-21-2013, 05:51 PM
I like coconut oil with like pancakes. Or something like that. Maybe I should try it with the fish then.

Scope75
02-21-2013, 05:55 PM
Think tropical food...
Fish and coconut are a great match.
Trust me.

Scope75
02-21-2013, 06:05 PM
Heated CO, dark cocoa powder, 1tbs HWC, 2-3tbs PB, and sweetened with stevia.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/8AE8066F-DD51-4568-9431-F7EF268255EF-10628-0000094FFB00DE5B_zps285a9d07.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/F491EBDF-74B5-4AB5-94A7-0FE11449C1E6-10945-0000099C3CDA4B69_zpse043d84e.jpg

Scope75
02-21-2013, 09:24 PM
Tonight's grub!!
8 eggs+3tbs HWC then topped with CO after I cooked them.
.5# bacon
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/03066596-2C7B-480D-AF92-305AD0B224A8-29141-00001A99B9EB3227_zps50a75e98.jpg

O_RYAN_007
02-21-2013, 09:29 PM
hwc?

Scope75
02-21-2013, 09:32 PM
Heavy Whipping Cream

Scope75
02-21-2013, 09:38 PM
Here's how I looked Monday morning after a shit load of carbs Saturday night...
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/05593D4D-1D0C-4200-9228-350A26AE455D-29141-00001AA5FB57CAED_zpsdc8e28ae.jpg

This is how I looked yesterday morning..
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/C780867E-444A-4A1B-A2B1-7F25EF8AB620-29141-00001AA6156AD684_zps231691c1.jpg

Both pics I think I'm slightly tightening my abs (or lack there of.. lol) but not a full on flex.

Edit....
This morning. Friday
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/B8811B16-3B80-4111-AA52-D36E26FDE4FA-29573-00001B0454BB066B_zps54db4097.jpg

Scope75
02-22-2013, 08:50 AM
Feeling real good this morning!!!

Have a massage today at 6pm then dinner and then some research with some Depa. Lol
Should make for a great evening/night!!

Scope75
02-22-2013, 05:13 PM
Fucking headaches are killer!!!
They pound with my heart and it feels pretty shitty. Hope this passes in a couple days or I'll be dropping the Osta, because its not worth the headaches.

VayneZ
02-22-2013, 06:46 PM
Dude you're swole man! After the carbnite! I see how a few days laster, Friday, you seem to have tighten more, kinda like I'm experienced as well. But bro, looking AWESOME!!!

Scope75
02-23-2013, 09:20 AM
210 pounds today!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/7038B0CB-40BE-430D-837A-1EAAFD9B6765-30529-00001BED7CA51FFE_zps10fc0f94.jpg

Last Saturday 208
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/CA901581-622E-4FB9-B669-4E006BFED52A-21268-0000139455285F17_zpsa3495918.jpg

Scope75
02-23-2013, 09:43 AM
Last night I started the evening off with a massage, then oysters, then a nice steak dinner with double veggies.
No research with depa because it was late and I was tired. I still got the job done, so no big deal.

Scope75
02-23-2013, 10:37 AM
Check this out.....

Mid December I looked like this at 190,
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/309CCAF3-C96C-48FA-BC86-995ACD404BB3-853-0000011D859067AF_zps4460e123.jpg

And this is me today 20 pounds heavier!!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/66783D52-F42D-4A4C-9105-FC03C0125827-30529-00001BFE884C9F34_zpsbc014c71.jpg

Scope75
02-23-2013, 10:47 AM
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/1264111D-20CF-4800-B9A8-5A5F323D28F7-30529-00001BFE8F86AA6A_zpse5887e84.jpg

DJM
02-23-2013, 12:14 PM
nice imorovements

proof diet is everything

Scope75
02-23-2013, 12:59 PM
nice imorovements

proof diet is everything

Thanks...
Need to start killing chest in a bad way but it'll come around.

Diet is everything!!!
I never cheat threw out the week and I know in about 4 more weeks of strict CarbNite I'll be lean enough to start having back to back CarbNites!!! That right there is going to make life even better. Lol

Writing this as I'm eating a pound of bacon and about to go carb shopping.
Some of tonight's treats!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/AA714D11-8865-485A-8395-675F12B9565C-30529-00001C20823AC077_zpsbe32b61e.jpg

Scope75
02-23-2013, 03:48 PM
More fuel!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/37280DDD-B519-436D-92E3-C41682D9E654-30932-00001C289DA14113_zpsfcd11b53.jpg

VayneZ
02-23-2013, 05:32 PM
ehhh, I'm just sayin'.... just sayin' here...... What in the name of )*@)&@$() am I seeing?!

Bro, I am just speechless over your progress! I just don't have the words to express how amazed I am. You're an inspiration to me bro!

(but not cool, showing especially ME those sweets.... :( :mad: )!

Scope75
02-23-2013, 09:37 PM
How a bacon waffle pizza is made!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/B95CBAB7-48C8-47E3-A44D-E24A2D7ADCF1-31122-00001C6FA83167E1_zps61fa621e.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/E7185F13-FCED-48FA-BEA6-12109F725ECA-31122-00001C6FB0B90014_zps53130616.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/C1FB6A16-9BD9-4E1A-9489-DD084FBACFF4-31176-00001C71A1687B9E_zps5a030207.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/639C1A17-0942-41F8-B4F4-C64BCEA9D4CA-31176-00001C721FEFE6B5_zpsc30ccb6a.jpg

h2s
02-23-2013, 09:38 PM
Haha crazy meal

Scope75
02-23-2013, 09:46 PM
ehhh, I'm just sayin'.... just sayin' here...... What in the name of )*@)&@$() am I seeing?!

Bro, I am just speechless over your progress! I just don't have the words to express how amazed I am. You're an inspiration to me bro!

(but not cool, showing especially ME those sweets.... :( :mad: )!
Thanks bro.
What your seeing is Carb Nite Solution working, and with some AndroMass and Iron thrown in the mix I'm adding some LBM.
Love the diet and the way I'm feeling so things are going pretty well in my neck of the woods.

If I was a little crazy I'd run some Trenazone along with AM but I'm enjoying this ride to much.

- - - Updated - - -


Haha crazy meal

Only 1 day a week so I need to make it memorable. Lol
I'm about 700g carb down and 800-1300g to go.

VayneZ
02-24-2013, 07:13 AM
I like your attitude bro, on not using more hormones at the point you're at! More people should have that mindset! As long as your seeing mad results (as in your case), just stick to THAT! for now.

Dude that Pizza waffle..... I'm crashing at your cribb next year dude! Just to enjoy a breakfast like that!!!

How was CarbNite??? You made it to 2k's????????

Scope75
02-24-2013, 09:25 AM
I like your attitude bro, on not using more hormones at the point you're at! More people should have that mindset! As long as your seeing mad results (as in your case), just stick to THAT! for now.

Dude that Pizza waffle..... I'm crashing at your cribb next year dude! Just to enjoy a breakfast like that!!!

How was CarbNite??? You made it to 2k's????????

Thanks man, and yeah I just opened my last AndroMass, so in about 3 weeks I'll be on just Osta@12.5mg.
This week I plan to add 1k cals to my diet on M/W/F to see if I can add some more mass.

Carbs at breakfast!!! What????
Not at my place carbs are backloaded only. Lol

I didn't get the 2k grams of carbs, but I did hit 1200-1400 then my ass fell asleep and woke up at 1am and said fuck it 1200 will have to do. The way the night went and the carbs consumed I still look ok today and not bloated bad. I'll also be depleted quick this week so fat burning will start even earlier this week.

I looking to see some big changes this week and I'm going to work harder than last week and make it happen no matter what!!!

Sorrow
02-24-2013, 04:07 PM
great progress!
And damn it man! I already fiend for Bacon.. now theres like 50 more ways to eat it thanks to you! lol All looks great too!

VayneZ
02-24-2013, 06:08 PM
Thanks man, and yeah I just opened my last AndroMass, so in about 3 weeks I'll be on just Osta@12.5mg.
This week I plan to add 1k cals to my diet on M/W/F to see if I can add some more mass.

Carbs at breakfast!!! What????
Not at my place carbs are backloaded only. Lol

I didn't get the 2k grams of carbs, but I did hit 1200-1400 then my ass fell asleep and woke up at 1am and said fuck it 1200 will have to do. The way the night went and the carbs consumed I still look ok today and not bloated bad. I'll also be depleted quick this week so fat burning will start even earlier this week.

I looking to see some big changes this week and I'm going to work harder than last week and make it happen no matter what!!!

HAhahaha!!! That's right! Man I spoke complete madness right there! Carbs start in the PM!!! We'll go do cardio in the morning and chill and then we GORGEEEE!!!

You fell asleep because of the overload of ze sensimilla's??? Man that's something I know would work awesome, Eating a whole space Cake for carbNite, and then... KEEP eating!!! maannn I can tell you stories back in the days!!!! But never did it for CarbNite though! With your amazing chef abilities, I'm sure you would be creative!

And looking forward to see how you progress through the week bro. Tomorrow at Noon, I start eating carbs, after 6.5 days carbless... dude I'm psyched!

Scope75
02-24-2013, 06:39 PM
great progress!
And damn it man! I already fiend for Bacon.. now theres like 50 more ways to eat it thanks to you! lol All looks great too!
Bacon is a very versatile meat, and it makes just about everything better. Lol

Scope75
02-24-2013, 06:46 PM
1.5 pound ahi tuna steak cooked with bacon, and spinach cooked with bacon.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/AFCEE495-7C23-4080-915B-A1B9C46F3B51-31613-00001D0D5080A68E_zps534a4ea0.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/6DAE7249-FB83-459F-9072-724283C70B96-31613-00001D0D5604327B_zpsfcc6e738.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/B2CFAD98-3B67-4508-9E35-D20FF45CD194-31613-00001D0DF0A84CCB_zpse1f16a39.jpg

Scope75
02-25-2013, 06:07 PM
Woke up Sunday morning at 222 so I gained 12 pounds on my CN.
For shits and giggles I jumped onnthe scale this morning and I was 218.

Scope75
02-25-2013, 10:17 PM
Dinner Time!!!!
1.5lbs ahi tuna
1lbs bacon
.5lbs spinach
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/38D368DE-6FED-4383-AC33-9783C9E059DF-32710-00001E1CA7037E4B_zpscc6437d5.jpg
This piece was way better because I figured out the temp and cook time yesterday. Plus I cooked it in way more bacon fat and had a full pound of bacon instead of half a pound. Lol

Scope75
02-25-2013, 10:22 PM
Well today was deads and here's how it played out.

155 5x20
185 5x12
225 5x5
275x5
315x5
335x1
365x1
385x1
405x1x2
315 2x5

1 pulled 405 twice but I'll call it 2 separate sets since I took a several seconds between reps.

Finished up with some pull downs and I was toast after that!!

405 felt good and I just got set up and lifted it. Only used chalk on 405 because my hands where sweating like a virgin in a whore house. Have more in the tank and WILL hit 425 next week.

O_RYAN_007
02-25-2013, 10:35 PM
Great looking dead session brother, and I know you will hit 425! Today I hit and all time best Sumo DL off the ground @ 515#s! I went for 545, but only got it 3 inches off the floor. I've been following you thread, keep up the good work buddy!

Scope75
02-25-2013, 10:47 PM
Great looking dead session brother, and I know you will hit 425! Today I hit and all time best Sumo DL off the ground @ 515#s! I went for 545, but only got it 3 inches off the floor. I've been following you thread, keep up the good work buddy!

Thanks and congrats to you on your 515.
This week is gonna be a good one and I'm looking forward to squats on Wednesday!!!

O_RYAN_007
02-25-2013, 10:56 PM
Squat day/dead day=Best day!

Scope75
02-25-2013, 11:07 PM
Squat day/dead day=Best day!

Couldn't agree more...

To start every CarbNite I hit squats and deads back to back and that make the carbs taste better lol

Scope75
02-25-2013, 11:24 PM
Pic from right after I pulled 405!!!
Felt to jacked not to take a pic.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/26B867A0-1FAC-4F64-B097-7A2E59E239C6-32710-00001E35F9E358F5_zps3c73fdc5.jpg

Scope75
02-26-2013, 01:35 PM
First meal of the day.
1.5 pounds of turkey breast fried in 2-3tbs Kerrygold garlic herb butter
6 eggs+2tbs HWC then cooked in 1tbs KG herb butter.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/F02F61D5-F7B7-41AD-95F8-2D557E5CF868-33429-00001ECC468D3795_zps105d6134.jpg

VayneZ
02-26-2013, 01:51 PM
Woke up Sunday morning at 222 so I gained 12 pounds on my CN.
For shits and giggles I jumped onnthe scale this morning and I was 218.

You have already become a thermogenic fatburning machine! Nice!

And look at those veins bro!! after your deads! SICK!!!

Scope75
02-26-2013, 01:58 PM
You have already become a thermogenic fatburning machine! Nice!

And look at those veins bro!! after your deads! SICK!!!

I sure have and all while adding LBM to my frame. Not sure I can even ask for more. Lol

After pulling 405 I felt like my muscles where about to pop!!!

Scope75
02-26-2013, 02:05 PM
Here's a great low carb/cal drink.

Blended iced cocoa coffee with 3-4tbs HWC
30oz coffee, a bunch of ice, 3tbs cocoa, 3-4tbs HWC, and stevia to taste. Blend it up and enjoy!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/213135B4-817D-48DA-AFF1-BC2E837186DA-33429-00001ECC4C70EF34_zps8b13c112.jpg

Scope75
02-26-2013, 08:45 PM
Dinner time.
6 eggs
1lbs bacon
.5lbs spinach
1-2 cups mushrooms
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/971384F9-DA67-46B9-8C3A-487BC25B8948-33775-00001F22867E1490_zps69f1b582.jpg

VayneZ eat meals like this during the week

CarbNites should be like this...
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/89F33682-3411-4AE6-9912-F42C68A37AB8-30932-00001C260FF40492_zpsbadc464b.jpg

I try and stay as gluten free as possible.

Scope75
02-27-2013, 05:15 PM
Since I've added in around 700 extra cals to my diet I've started to spill over. Those extra cals have been cut out today and won't come back until I can use them.
Plus side I'm hopeing the 3 days of extra cals bumped up my metabolism and it'll be on high for the rest of the week.

Scope75
02-27-2013, 08:35 PM
Well the Osta headaches have stopped... Thank god!!! Those fucking headaches sucked ass.

Squat day!!!
185 5x12
225 6x10
275 11x6
That's that. Lol
Dinner will be beef and bacon.

Oh and I'll cut hose extra cals out tomorrow, because I e alresdy ate a bunch today and still need to eat dinner.
Shit who knows I may just leave them for the week and have a tamer CarbNite Sunday.

O_RYAN_007
02-27-2013, 09:23 PM
Well the Osta headaches have stopped... Thank god!!! Those fucking headaches sucked ass.

Squat day!!!
185 5x12
225 6x10
275 11x6
That's that. Lol
Dinner will be beef and bacon.

Oh and I'll cut hose extra cals out tomorrow, because I e alresdy ate a bunch today and still need to eat dinner.
Shit who knows I may just leave them for the week and have a tamer CarbNite Sunday.

How's the osta treating you?

Scope75
02-27-2013, 10:58 PM
Since the headaches are gone it going ok, I've only been on it for 10 days so this coming week I should be able to judge it better.
As of right now I'm feeling great, positive attitude, lots of endurance, and strentgh is going threw the roof.
I've never felt this strong before and I know that's the AndroMass and CarbNite diet at work. This AndroMass, Osta, and CarbNite diet combo should really shine next week.

O_RYAN_007
02-27-2013, 11:20 PM
Nice! MASS strength didn't really hit for me until I upped the dosage to 9 caps.day at wk 4or5

Scope75
02-27-2013, 11:31 PM
Nice! MASS strength didn't really hit for me until I upped the dosage to 9 caps.day at wk 4or5

I upped it to 8 around week 4-5 and that's when it got fun.
I'm half way threw my last bottle and when that run out I'll start using some dermacrine topical while I finish off the Osta.

markam
02-28-2013, 05:08 AM
I upped it to 8 around week 4-5 and that's when it got fun.
I'm half way threw my last bottle and when that run out I'll start using some dermacrine topical while I finish off the Osta.

Some great info in this log, kudos.

It's said that Dermacrine takes a couple of weeks to kick in so you may want to overlap it with the last 10-14 days of Andromass, but maybe this is only at the cycle, not when you've already been 'on'. IDK, but I'd start Dermacrine early if you have enough.

What do you think of using this stuff on Carb night? It's very quickly absorbed with no gastric distress, not high G.I. though, but as you're doing keto it would still cause a insulin spike, and it's made out of rice. This is the formula:

Serving Size: grams (1 scoop)
Servings per Container: 48


Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Calories 168 **
Calories from Fat 29 **
Total Fat 3 g 4.8%
Saturated Fat 0 g 0%
Cholesterol 0 mg 0%
Sodium 6.6 mg 0%
Total Carbohydrate 36 g 12%
Sugars 5 g
Protein 0 g 0%
Enymic Engineered Rice Syrup Solids 36 g


* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet.
** Percent Daily Values not established.

INGREDIENTS: Rice Syrup Solids, MCT Oil, Natural and artificial flavor and color, Malic Acid, sucralose, Silica Dioxide, Amylase, Hemi Amylase, Acesulfame K, Cellulase, Bromelain

IMO it would work very well, so I'll incorporate it into my reefed. Actually I'm tempted to try just using it, maybe 10 servings, 360gm Carbs and 1680 calories.

Scope75
02-28-2013, 07:40 AM
I planned to start it the last week of AM just for the fact it might take 7-14 days to kick in. I'm also not sure if that wil matter since I'm alresdy on something else.

What is that product you posted??
I personally wouldn't use it because its loaded with fillers, a d i'm not sure what kind of fat is in it either.

markam
02-28-2013, 07:53 AM
I planned to start it the last week of AM just for the fact it might take 7-14 days to kick in. I'm also not sure if that wil matter since I'm alresdy on something else.

What is that product you posted??
I personally wouldn't use it because its loaded with fillers, a d i'm not sure what kind of fat is in it either.

Why do you say fillers? there's no maltodextrin. The Amylase, Hemi Amylase and Bromelain are to help with digestion and the fat is MCT probably from coconut oil.

VayneZ
02-28-2013, 08:13 AM
Interested in this as well! What product is it Mark?

markam
02-28-2013, 12:27 PM
ALRI Chain'd Reaction (48 servings): Discount Chain'd Reaction Supplements (http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/alri/chain-d-reaction-48-servings.html)

I didn't mention it was by Alri because some people are so biased against them.
I've recently bought some for £23 which is a damn good deal. Been using the stuff mainly Intra workout with
Bcaas for a few years and I strongly rate it. Very quickly absorbed and no stomach issues, also pumps are excellent when used pre and Intra.

On UD2 Lyle McDonald mentioned leaving the hi gi carbs towards the end of the refeed, also, refeed day is a very good time to load Creatine. I mentioned the other day he also suggests a hi rep full body workout before the refeed, and then heavy squats, dreads, etc the next day. But by the results you guys are already getting, it can't get that much better, surely.

These logs, (Scope, VayneZ) have motivated me to do UD2 again, kudos to you guys!

Scope75
02-28-2013, 03:49 PM
What was the reason for high GI at the end and not to start??

Glad this log has motivated you to make some changes and that's all the more reason for me to keep it up.

VayneZ
02-28-2013, 04:31 PM
Scope motivated me BIG time Mark !!! :p

But honestly a LOT of people on this board, contributed certain details to my drive that allowed me to be in the BEST shape of my life, while continuing to break plateau's even hormone free! If I run that AB/AH/Mechabol cycle the end of this summer, with the results I keep seeing, and the adjustments I keep making as I continue learning..... wow! I can't imagine where I'll be!!!

And thanks to you too Mark, for your advises! I think we all help each other here in some way or the other! :)

markam
02-28-2013, 06:10 PM
What was the reason for high GI at the end and not to start??

Glad this log has motivated you to make some changes and that's all the more reason for me to keep it up.

Maybe they high GI at the end was to get an increased insulin response, idk. It may have been a previous protocol.

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I think it was from a previous incarnation of this type of diet. He now says to start with high gi carbs and then starchy carbs, but as long as you're getting enough carbs it doesn't really matter. If you haven't read UD2 (I will read it again), it's well worth reading. I think if you google 'lyle mcdonald ud2 pdf' you may find further info.

On a side note, 3 days after cutting the carbs I have so much more energy. This shit works good!

markam
02-28-2013, 06:14 PM
Scope motivated me BIG time Mark !!! :p

But honestly a LOT of people on this board, contributed certain details to my drive that allowed me to be in the BEST shape of my life, while continuing to break plateau's even hormone free! If I run that AB/AH/Mechabol cycle the end of this summer, with the results I keep seeing, and the adjustments I keep making as I continue learning..... wow! I can't imagine where I'll be!!!

And thanks to you too Mark, for your advises! I think we all help each other here in some way or the other! :)

Yep, this is a good place. I learnt a lot from the PP forum and now SwoleSource. Never stop learning.

Scope75
02-28-2013, 07:30 PM
This place is packed with knowledge and I was a reader on the PP forum and now SwoleSource.com I stepped it up and made a log. Lol

Keep it up guys!!!
2013 and beyond....

Scope75
03-01-2013, 08:50 AM
Well I moved yesterday. Lol
Bought the HOME I grew up in and its nice that its already more than a house to me.
The iron
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/0BDA043F-6DA4-4A58-8BA5-D104FDAFF90E-35953-0000214BD23A31AF_zpsccd7c992.jpg
All of my gym loaded up
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/21DD0719-72DC-4055-9EFA-4F6C077F1702-35953-0000214D537AE176_zps801e5433.jpg
The new gym!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/BD22C29A-65BF-4C23-9E1A-C1F10D96E799-36308-00002198FBD74A99_zps5ab993f7.jpg
Lots of space for new equipment!!!

VayneZ
03-01-2013, 04:31 PM
So that's how training base where I will spend my next vacation looks like :p

Next stop, Scope's cribb YEAH! ala fightclub style bro!

''First rule of Scope's dungeon is, you do not talk about Scope's dungeon... Second rule of Scope's dungeon is ........... '' :cool:

Scope75
03-01-2013, 04:41 PM
You must be high to enter. Lol

Come on threw. I'd take a few days off and show you the lay of the land around here.

Sorrow
03-01-2013, 07:24 PM
This place is packed with knowledge and I was a reader on the PP forum and now SwoleSource.com I stepped it up and made a log. Lol

Keep it up guys!!!
2013 and beyond....

Glad you did! Been a great log man. You've made progress and it should be showed off! Along with some insanely good looking food!
And love the iron man! Next time I feel the urge for a west coast pop I'll have to find your place! Only going as far as colorado this year though.

Scope75
03-02-2013, 10:03 AM
Went out last night with a lady friend and watched Carlos Mencia at the San Jose Improv.
Got to go back stage and meet and take a picture with him and when we walked in he said "oh, the workout people!!" And started joking around with us and even flexed his arms on us. Lol
We had a table that touched the stage and it the whole show was laughs from start to finish.
As me and my date went to leave Mencia grab us both and thanked us for and laughing out asses off, and I thought that was pretty cool.

Scope75
03-02-2013, 10:49 AM
Here's the pic we took with Mencia last night.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/88C7E453-C23C-4AB4-AC50-80B7ADF799EF-37175-0000226CEC8441E2_zps0dca08b5.jpg

O_RYAN_007
03-02-2013, 11:11 AM
Went out last night with a lady friend and watched Carlos Mencia at the San Jose Improv.
Got to go back stage and meet and take a picture with him and when we walked in he said "oh, the workout people!!" And started joking around with us and even flexed his arms on us. Lol
We had a table that touched the stage and it the whole show was laughs from start to finish.
As me and my date went to leave Mencia grab us both and thanked us for and laughing out asses off, and I thought that was pretty cool.

The dude is funny as shit, I've seen him in South TX a couple times.

Scope75
03-02-2013, 11:31 AM
I'll be going to see David Spade in a few weeks then Joe Rogan on 4/19.
I'm on the six pack by laughter program, and I'm expecting good results. Lol

O_RYAN_007
03-02-2013, 11:43 AM
I'll be going to see David Spade in a few weeks then Joe Rogan on 4/19.
I'm on the six pack by laughter program, and I'm expecting good results. Lol

I wanna see Nick Swardson, he's hilarious!

DJM
03-02-2013, 12:09 PM
I wanna see Nick Swardson, he's hilarious!

youtube 'top meth'
hes always awesome in his movie cameos lol

Scope75
03-02-2013, 01:19 PM
Bobby lee and Jo coy will be there soon too.
Guess I'm getting into comedy shows for 2013. Lol

Scope75
03-03-2013, 11:10 AM
Well I tipped the scales at 216.2 today and that's 6 pounds in 8 days.
Today 216
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/CAE1C993-0F38-4804-B561-0BE08DD3E973-37657-000022F61B201A4F_zps7d8ee62d.jpg

Last Saturday 210...
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/7038B0CB-40BE-430D-837A-1EAAFD9B6765-30529-00001BED7CA51FFE_zps10fc0f94.jpg

Scope75
03-04-2013, 10:09 AM
Woke up this morning cleared out the pipes then jumped onnthe scale....

227.5
Put on 11.5 pounds yesterday.
This week and the next 3 will be all about leaning out.

markam
03-04-2013, 10:29 AM
Woke up this morning cleared out the pipes then jumped onnthe scale....

227.5
Put on 11.5 pounds yesterday.
This week and the next 3 will be all about leaning out.

Impressive. How many gms of carbs?

So how will you modify your carb up while leaning?

I did my first carbup after doing Keto for about two weeks. The Alri rice syrup shake made it easier to get the calories in with out to much overall bloating. I also had caramel rice cakes, marshmallows, bagel, and later sweet potato and porridge before bed. Got in about 700gms. Next time I might stick with white rice and sweet potato as I feel I may get better results. I'll also use the Alri rice drink to help increase calories without bloating. Will shoot for 1000 gms.

Scope75
03-04-2013, 10:57 AM
I don't really count last night but I know I got in over 1200g carbs. I pounded 600g in the first 6 minutes. Lol I started my carbs intra workout because I was toasted and tanked. Now that I think about it I had to be over 1500g.
These next 3 weeks the plan is to just eat 2 big meals of 1200-1500 cals each and that's 500-1k less cals than I've been eating. All snacks and extra CO will be cut out to get the cals down. I'll see how it goes this week then adjust from there.

Really like this diet because if you screw up or get fat you don't have to change much to reverse the damage.
Not that I feel I've gained much fat but its nice to know if you do its quick to get it off.


For the modding of CNS I'll either do back to back CNs but tamer or add a backload of 300g on Wednesday after deads.

Scope75
03-04-2013, 11:13 AM
Here's what I ate yesterday. Didn't finish all of it but I also ate other stuff too. Lots of carbs!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/F94F42EC-E9EB-4B41-A4E1-90C7FC7B220A-37975-0000233A62BFE696_zps1ed2ee49.jpg
Ate all of these thou.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/49B95E89-F82F-4FE2-AA90-45993DA80E32-37691-00002334A4BA2BAF_zpse02d3482.jpg
Killed this like nothing. Was killer.. Bacon avocado pepper jack blue cheese and that bun was really good.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/5435A18F-771A-41DC-92CE-E410BC19744C-38337-000023912A99A688_zps6949d268.jpg
I swear this piece was around 1-1.5 pounds!! Ate the cake but couldn't stomach the sweet frosting.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/375B8800-C714-4EA8-B041-8F93EDC1191C-38337-0000239142937941_zps00004db4.jpg

markam
03-04-2013, 11:43 AM
So you're still having some fat on your carb up (beef, avocado, cheese, etc). I kept it pretty much fat free as that's what they recommend on UD2, but hey, you're getting great results. Anyway, you're not doing that particular diet, but it's pretty similar.

Scope75
03-04-2013, 12:04 PM
I'm low/no fat to start then the night just gets fattier. Lol
I kicked the night off with around 600g carbs no fat and HIGH GI.
The refeeds aren't where the progress is made its what you do during the week.
I'll be cutting cals this week but will still have a big ass refeed on Saturday. I should see some real leaning out these next few weeks.

markam
03-04-2013, 12:09 PM
Excuse me for not going back over the 624 posts, LOL, but is this a specific diet or your take on UD2?

Scope75
03-04-2013, 12:22 PM
Excuse me for not going back over the 624 posts, LOL, but is this a specific diet or your take on UD2?

This is Kiefer's Carb Nite Solution.
I'm pretty much no carb threw out the week and my diet is high fats and protein is around or just over my BW in grams.

VayneZ
03-04-2013, 04:50 PM
Dude, you look swole in the pic with Carlos man, and SOLID progress. Now YOUR belly has gone hahaaha!!!!

When I get my ephedra's I'll pretty much do something similar to your plan (seems our way of nutrition in life is very very close). I'll be downing my cals a bit during the week, and actually stretch out my NO carb days to around 9 or 10 days, and then refeed.

I'll first try my refeeds basically the same as usual, and if I see progress, I'll keep it up. If I come to a plateau, I'll drop the cals from carbs on my CN's.

But that's how ''I'' would do it anyways.

How much are you planning on cutting down towards??? around what % bf?

Scope75
03-04-2013, 06:23 PM
Don't stretch your time between CNs past 7 days. You won't be doing yourself any good going longer without carbs.

Your hormones start to drop off after 4-5 days so 7-8 days is the max I'd go.

Also your CarbNite isn't what will make you fat or slow you down its what you do during the week on your ULC days that matters the most.

My goal is to be 225@10%bf, but these next 3 weeks I'll just be tring to lose as much fat as possible while staying over 205.

VayneZ
03-04-2013, 08:37 PM
Scope, thanks bro! Again you have prevented me from heading toward failure! And bro, 225 @ 10%bf is CRAZY! how tall are you???

Scope75
03-04-2013, 10:29 PM
Scope, thanks bro! Again you have prevented me from heading toward failure! And bro, 225 @ 10%bf is CRAZY! how tall are you???
No problem
Just looking out and passing on what I've learned so far.

I'm 6 foot..

Need to really work on my chest and get it leaned and filled out. Have a bit of loose skin from being so fat for so long.

This is at 216# on Sunday morning.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/2591611F-909F-44A1-AC9D-4E86FA8B1636-37657-000022F6412ECF45_zps5e388dfc.jpg

VayneZ
03-05-2013, 11:33 AM
Dude you are a machine! Looking SICK man! Can't wait to see you get ripped with all the size you've attained.

I feel you on the chest. I personally hated my shoulders and triceps... because they were always weak in comparison to my overall physique. That's why I chose to work them out after the weekend (which I rest through), and also have my refeeds on Mondays. I believe that they have grown a lot compared to 2012. Def gonna keep this set of routine until I feel that they have measured up to my chest and back completely

longBallLima
03-05-2013, 11:34 AM
looking great, brother!

Scope75
03-05-2013, 12:10 PM
Thanks...
This week is my first week that I'm trying to just lean out so it would be interesting to see how that goes.

Yesterday I ate more than I planned but I also worked my ass off in the gym and my body was just telling me to eat so I did.
Today cals will be dropped for sure because its not a heavy or taxing workout day.
I'm only eating 2-3 cans tuna and CO for my first meal and post workout meal is 1.25# beef and .5# bacon every day this week.

Scope75
03-05-2013, 10:44 PM
Got my lifting done then I threw this together real quick.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/598ECC25-B9EF-490A-B3C6-E219F1AB31CF-40094-00002592D912D05E_zps5b9b86ff.jpg
Now this is a plate of FOOD!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/F4DF2429-BCA0-4BA5-820A-9E2C91524AFD-40094-00002592E4D9C29A_zps843574fc.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/5C8DDA9A-0861-4091-8FA5-2BEE9340DFEA-40094-00002592E92D00B1_zps9562e967.jpg
I'll post this weeks workouts in a few but its just been a shit load of squats. Lol

Scope75
03-05-2013, 10:59 PM
Squats, Squats and more Squats is all I've really done this week.
Only other things have been reverse hypers, and OHP.
Monday morning I did a a shit load of reps with 185
Monday evening
185x12
225 5x8
225 6x10
275 6x5

This morning
225 2x8
225 4x10

OHP 5x15
RH 5x15

Food has been
Tuna, CO, Beef, and Bacon.


Tuesday Evening workout went like this and was worked as a circuit. Started with OHP and ended with squats was 1 set.
OHP 100 5x15
RH BW 5x15
BB curls 65 5x20
Hammer curls 25s 5x20 10 each arm
Squats 225 5x10

After that was finished you guessed it more...
Squats
275 5x5

Pounded 60g hydro whey and 6g leucine

Scope75
03-06-2013, 12:37 PM
AM workout
Did this as a circuit and it was completed in 30 minutes or less.
RH 6x15
DL 225 6x10
Squats 225 6x5

PM workout will be more deads, pull-ups, rows, and probably some OHP.

Bucks
03-06-2013, 03:16 PM
Got my lifting done then I threw this together real quick.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/598ECC25-B9EF-490A-B3C6-E219F1AB31CF-40094-00002592D912D05E_zps5b9b86ff.jpg
Now this is a plate of FOOD!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/F4DF2429-BCA0-4BA5-820A-9E2C91524AFD-40094-00002592E4D9C29A_zps843574fc.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/5C8DDA9A-0861-4091-8FA5-2BEE9340DFEA-40094-00002592E92D00B1_zps9562e967.jpg
I'll post this weeks workouts in a few but its just been a shit load of squats. Lol

I'm sitting in a plane looking at this eating a bag of peanuts saying "Fuck you" !

Looks good man .

Scope75
03-06-2013, 04:11 PM
Guess your not in first class. Lol

Scope75
03-06-2013, 04:30 PM
These places will be getting some business from me soon...
CarbNite Goodies!!

Gayles Bakery | Voted Best Bakery In Santa CruzGayles Bakery (http://www.gaylesbakery.com/)

Pacific Cookie Company - Gourmet Cookie Gift Baskets and Boxes, Bulk Cookies for the Holidays (http://www.pacificcookie.com/retail_store.aspx)

This place looks good too and I'll be placing an order this week.

The Protein Bakery | Original creators of delicious protein-packed, fresh baked goodness! (http://www.proteinbakery.com/)

Bucks
03-06-2013, 10:49 PM
Guess your not in first class. Lol

The food is like shit in any class. The only good food is the alcohol!

Scope75
03-06-2013, 11:21 PM
The food is like shit in any class. The only good food is the alcohol!

Looks good in the movies. Lol

Scope75
03-07-2013, 11:17 PM
Dinner...
Elk Chop with blackberry sauce
16oz ribeye with roasted garlic, onions, mushrooms, garlic butter, and blue cheese on top.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/54E3C338-634A-48CC-BA53-71130463FC6B-41984-000027C111260AFB_zpscce3ca26.jpg

Scope75
03-09-2013, 12:16 PM
CarbNite Bitches!!!!

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/FEE46753-A878-415E-8640-CBFC31E5BD13-42981-000028F030717CB6_zpsa23a80c4.jpg

Can't wait for these!!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/825FE201-764A-47BD-A1CC-A4BF3029592F-42981-000028F0388BF296_zpsc88c8657.jpg

Scope75
03-09-2013, 12:23 PM
This week I tipped the scales at 216.6!!!!!
That's .4 pounds gained from last week.
Maybe I'm not depleted?? Lol;)

Today 216.6
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/707B9CD7-E3CE-4FF2-9B3B-ACC1D8B63EBB-42945-000028E55EC85BEF_zps5135af0e.jpg

Last week 216.2
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/2CCA8389-C43F-4B69-B1ED-BBE1807E1F3D-37657-000022F645F34DE0_zps6aa35596.jpg

Fucking legs are starting to take off and GROW!!!

Scope75
03-09-2013, 01:26 PM
Did some CN prepping.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/CB05F485-9E36-45C2-A4FA-0A4A2547A20F-43080-0000290CFB1F5D23_zps377618eb.jpg

Scope75
03-09-2013, 02:13 PM
Post Workout Shake!!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/9B190F75-5F39-4943-A3C7-9DE67F70961B-43147-0000291D98FFA6F0_zps1f0af6cd.jpg

VayneZ
03-09-2013, 08:14 PM
Dude, madness, just madness.....

Tomorrow you'll be 230!!!! lol

Dude you look way more build then last week. Scope, hands down, you the man kid! :cool:

AND WOW AT THE CARBNITE AMOUNT OF SUGARS!!! I feel inspired now for Monday....................

Scope75
03-11-2013, 10:01 AM
Jumped on the scale first thing this morning and I was 228.6.....
I had to of been 230+ yesterday!!!

This week I'll be tweaking my diet and will actually lower my cals.

Scope75
03-11-2013, 11:43 AM
Did a little CarbNite shopping last night and picked up all this.
Not sure why because I have a doughnut eating competion this weekend and my CarbNite will be based around doughnuts.
My goal is to eat 24 doughnuts in the 2hr window we are allowed to eat them.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/A8BC27A6-B105-417C-A4D6-13B6CA3B784B-43586-00002A367600BD1B_zps3368900a.jpg

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/2647F7FC-4ED1-4E33-A416-D2997E62461E-43586-00002A53A0255B46_zps02225c4c.jpg

Also this is more how I'll be eating this week.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/E5CC2D0A-74E1-433B-AE70-4F372FB1C175-43586-00002A27C76628FA_zps326a06b9.jpg

Scope75
03-11-2013, 01:29 PM
Well this week I'll be tracking my cals because
1. I've never really tracked cals before
2. I don't want to eat over 2800 cals this week
3. I need to lean the fuck out. Lol

First meal of the day was
80g protein
100g fat
1220 cals

1580cals to go and that's just about perfect for 1.25lbs of ground beef and .5lbs of bacon that I'll have for dinner.

DJM
03-11-2013, 02:37 PM
do you think that if your carb choices were of better quality you could lean out without the reduction in calories?

markam
03-11-2013, 03:25 PM
I did my carb up yesterday with mostly low gi carbs. Lots of basmati rice, sweet potato, Alri rice syrup low g.i. Shake. A few oat biscuits, rice cakes and a couple marshmallows:)

Best carb up I've ever done. Too much sugar gives me inflammatory issues, and sweet potato is said to be a anti-inflammatory food.
Lyle says it doesn't matter what type of carbs as long as you get enough.

Scope75
03-11-2013, 04:14 PM
do you think that if your carb choices were of better quality you could lean out without the reduction in calories?
I'm pretty sure it would help and I'll be cleaning things up in a couple weeks because this type of eating gets old.
Only reason I'm eating all these shitty carbs is I haven't had them in YEARS...
This is kind of my make up time to eat all the shitty carbs I didn't eat.

After this weekends doughnut comp I'll be eating white rice, potatoes sweet/white/red, and just keep things a lot cleaner, but I'll always keep some dirty shit in the mix.

Scope75
03-11-2013, 04:35 PM
I did my carb up yesterday with mostly low gi carbs. Lots of basmati rice, sweet potato, Alri rice syrup low g.i. Shake. A few oat biscuits, rice cakes and a couple marshmallows:)

Best carb up I've ever done. Too much sugar gives me inflammatory issues, and sweet potato is said to be a anti-inflammatory food.
Lyle says it doesn't matter what type of carbs as long as you get enough.

Haven't tried low GI carbs on my CarbNite because that goes against what the Carb Night Solution/Kiefer recommends.

I have the renegade diet ebook (haven't read it yet)and I guess I should get the ud2 book to get a better understanding of where your coming from because we are pretty much on the same sort of diet but we go about are refeeds differently.

markam
03-11-2013, 05:49 PM
Haven't tried low GI carbs on my CarbNite because that goes against what the Carb Night Solution/Kiefer recommends.

I have the renegade diet ebook (haven't read it yet)and I guess I should get the ud2 book to get a better understanding of where your coming from because we are pretty much on the same sort of diet but we go about are refeeds differently.

Google 'Lyle McDonald UD2 pdf' and you'll find it:) It's a while since I read it thoroughly, and I've probably tweaked things to suit me, rather than following it religiously. As they say that it takes a while for the body to switch from fats to carbs for energy, you can eat a shedload of carbs and burn existing bodyfat providing your fat intake is low enough. I like to have a few treats (because I can), but the vast majority of carbs will be from sweet potato, basmati rice, oats, beetroot, carrots. (Sweet potato is low g.i. and Basmati is medium g.i)

Scope75
03-11-2013, 06:01 PM
The way your eating right now is how I plan to do things after my first 8 weeks is up.
I won't be eating low GI carbs but I'll switch out the fatty junk carbs for the hi GI versions of your clean carbs.
Sweet potatoes are low GI but I over bake and process them so that makes them med/hi Gi after.
I was looking and some Asian rice based products and they pack a carb load like no other. Little thin ass rice paper is about. 40g carbs each.

Why does Lyle recommend lo GI carbs over the hi GI carbs??
Seems like your end up haveing 1 long spike instead of multiple spikes threw out the night like you would with hi GI and fast clearing carbs.

markam
03-11-2013, 06:33 PM
No, Lyle doesn't recommend lo GI over high GI carbs, just said that as long as you eat enough carbs it doesn't really matter. It's just a lot easier to get a lot of calories in quickly if you're eating lot's of sugar. When I did this recently I suffered with joint pain, but everyone will react differently, it's just less sugar is best for me, (I'll still have a bowl of curious cinnamons, though:))

The Alri drink I mentioned is very fast absorbing, and I got 130gms carbs from my post workout shake, which I'll up to 200gms next time. Ridiculous pump, and I didn't get the dizziness from the sugar high/crash. There's also another carb drink I will try that was formulated by Matt Pearson; Glycomyx, and it contains blue sweet potatoes and some other stuff, but maybe has a little too much fibre for carb night, we'll see.

VayneZ
03-11-2013, 07:38 PM
I'm following this conversation :)

Scope75
03-11-2013, 08:22 PM
Deadlift Day!!!!
Warmed up by doing some pull-ups and reverse hypers then got to lifting
225 6x10
275 8x5
315 5x5

Did a bunch of pull-ups all threw out the workout and I know I did at least 60.

- - - Updated - - -

Food....
First meal was 1220 cals
Post workout shake was 145 cals
Dinner will be 1320 cals
that puts me right 2700 cals

Scope75
03-11-2013, 09:13 PM
Dinner
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/1CD2A035-3B9C-42F6-807B-F193D1FB0491-43586-00002B43D5B3D32B_zpsadf1444f.jpg

Scope75
03-11-2013, 09:38 PM
Here's the plan for the rest of the week.....

I have a feeling this week is going to be a good one!!!!
Tomorrow I plan to drop the cals more since its not a big lifting day.
Thinking 2300 cals tomorrow then back to 2800 for Wednesday then Thursday and Friday will be 2300 cal days.
Back half of the week will be lower fat because my CN will be DIRTY as HELL!!
Then Saturday I'll have eat about 1k cals and then I'll start my CN around 2-4pm and end it at 10-12.

Scope75
03-12-2013, 01:21 PM
My LOW cal lunch!!!
1lbs shrimp
.5lbs bacon
Half bag veggies

Cooked bacon then added shrimp
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/05B4721C-3613-4CF5-920F-3E484C75A3C3-45586-00002BFD33621D17_zps423c856e.jpg

Removed some shrimp to make tossing the salad in easier. Lol
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/6911313D-276E-4B0A-B9BB-2CF4FE621ED5-45586-00002BFD39CA1D07_zpsfba71138.jpg

Finished product!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/CCF48FD1-A5FF-4EFE-8CC9-F428CCD0E0FF-45586-00002BFD3E4C23B7_zps61788600.jpg

Coolazice
03-12-2013, 01:45 PM
Whoever decided to call this food-porn wasn't exaggerating much. Some of these meals are making me drool and lust for them like they were a sexy 20 year old woman. :D :confused: :o :eek: :(

Scope75
03-12-2013, 02:27 PM
You don't have to tell me about it. Lol
My mouth and jaw do the strangest shit while I'm cooking because it smells so fucking good I don't know what to do!
That meal right there is only 760 cals... Ate about 1.5hrs ago and I'm still full.
Tonight's meal will be a killer ass meal with 2-3 chicken breast.

Coolazice
03-12-2013, 02:32 PM
You don't have to tell me about it. Lol
My mouth and jaw do the strangest shit while I'm cooking because it smells so fucking good I don't know what to do!
That meal right there is only 760 cals... Ate about 1.5hrs ago and I'm still full.
Tonight's meal will be a killer ass meal with 2-3 chicken breast.

Thanks for the warning! I'll have to try and remember to not catch up on your thread til I'm good and full from eating my own dinner here. ;)

Scope75
03-12-2013, 02:45 PM
Either that or get ready to eat another meal. Lol

I have 1540 cals to play around with for dinner so that should tell you it'll be a good one.

Coolazice
03-12-2013, 02:47 PM
Either that or get ready to eat another meal. Lol

I have 1540 cals to play around with for dinner so that should tell you it'll be a good one.

LOL. I'm sure it will be good. I'm a picky eater and a lot of the food in this thread had looked pretty good!

Scope75
03-12-2013, 03:01 PM
I mean who doesn't like beef, bacon, and other stuff cooked with beef and bacon. Lol

Scope75
03-12-2013, 03:05 PM
do you think that if your carb choices were of better quality you could lean out without the reduction in calories?
This post has got me thinking more about cleaner refeeds and I'm going to back out of the doughnut challenge and clean up this weeks refeed. It'll be based on rice products and the dirtiest it'll get is waffles and Rice Krispie treats.

I can eat doughnuts anytime and right now isn't the time and I need to focus on leaning out.

Coolazice
03-12-2013, 03:13 PM
I mean who doesn't like beef, bacon, and other stuff cooked with beef and bacon. Lol

Ummm... silly vegans and vegetarians? I went back through the last 7 or 8 pages with my gf to show her some of your meals and now she's craving some bacon too. lol

Scope75
03-12-2013, 03:44 PM
Lol..
Good thing DJ is eating meat again.

Bacon its the American afrodisiac!!!

DJM
03-12-2013, 03:46 PM
not a fan of porc

Scope75
03-12-2013, 04:01 PM
Not even Canadian bacon??

Scope75
03-12-2013, 08:17 PM
Dinner waiting to be cooked...
26oz chicken breast
8oz bacon
2 pounds/1140cals of pure business!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/D1BE8765-D563-49AD-958E-7E5D48F45CB7-45586-00002C6C4FE3AA21_zpsebcc3899.jpg

Broccoli will be used as a filler..

Coolazice
03-12-2013, 08:21 PM
I knew I shouldn't have looked. Back to the fridge I go. :(

Scope75
03-12-2013, 08:25 PM
I knew I shouldn't have looked. Back to the fridge I go. :(
Have it all ready but I don't even want to cook it.
Its 730 here and I'm still fucking full from that 800 cal shrimp/bacon salad I had for lunch 8hrs ago.
Shrimp is a real satisfying food more me.

Coolazice
03-12-2013, 08:30 PM
Have it all ready but I don't even want to cook it.
Its 730 here and I'm still fucking full from that 800 cal shrimp/bacon salad I had for lunch 8hrs ago.
Shrimp is a real satisfying food more me.

I'm sure you'll find a way to get some, if not all of that down... I know I would.

Scope75
03-12-2013, 08:43 PM
Oh you already know I'm going to kill that plate as soon as its finished. Just started to heat the pan and my mouth is already going crazy..
It's like I tweak when I'm about to eat.

Scope75
03-12-2013, 09:30 PM
No room for broccoli but I had to throw some mix veggies in there to soak up the fat.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/BF5AE76B-6479-4430-AB5E-A70883C28241-45586-00002C8696470383_zps1e4cc479.jpg

This is one of the best tasting meals I've made myself in a few weeks.

Coolazice
03-12-2013, 09:48 PM
Oh you already know I'm going to kill that plate as soon as its finished. Just started to heat the pan and my mouth is already going crazy..
It's like I tweak when I'm about to eat.

I'm sure you will! I think it would be like a primal instinct to inhale that food just from the sight and smell of it regardless of what you ate earlier. Just looking at the pic is making me salivate a bit.

Scope75
03-12-2013, 10:21 PM
Oh that plate was clean as possible without using hot water and soap.

Scope75
03-13-2013, 01:01 PM
Lunch time!!!
22oz chicken
8oz bacon
Bunch of broccoli
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/B0911E92-DB99-40DC-A827-263B48EF9DEF-45586-00002D095125E91D_zps09c87378.jpg

I swear there's stuff under the bacon!!!

Coolazice
03-13-2013, 01:15 PM
569

http://writemindset.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/leopard-drool.png

Scope75
03-13-2013, 02:17 PM
Its offical...
I must be packing on some mass because today I've made 3 stops for parts and supplies and each time I've had someone ask me what I'm doing and taking. Lol

My answer is eat big and lift as heavy as you can.

Scope75
03-14-2013, 11:34 AM
Crashed out like a rock last night and woke up feeling GREAT, but it looks like some stole my muscles.
I'm flat as fuck....

Scope75
03-14-2013, 02:34 PM
Why you need to CarbNite for 6-8hrs and why you need high GI carbs..
How Long Of A Carb Nite Do You Need? The #1 Mistake To Avoid - YouTube (http://youtu.be/jDAk2PgE52E)

Glycemic Index: The Low vs High Debate - YouTube (http://youtu.be/bwmFF8-bimg)

Here's a video on low fat CarbNites and how I'll be doing mine for the next couple weeks.
How To Keep Those Pounds Falling Off While On A Low Fat Carb Nite - YouTube (http://youtu.be/WuaXYOZhzSU)

markam
03-14-2013, 03:27 PM
Why you need to CarbNite for 6-8hrs and why you need high GI carbs..
How Long Of A Carb Nite Do You Need? The #1 Mistake To Avoid - YouTube (http://youtu.be/jDAk2PgE52E)

Glycemic Index: The Low vs High Debate - YouTube (http://youtu.be/bwmFF8-bimg)

Here's a video on low fat CarbNites and how I'll be doing mine for the next couple weeks.
How To Keep Those Pounds Falling Off While On A Low Fat Carb Nite - YouTube (http://youtu.be/WuaXYOZhzSU)

I'll be watching those when I get home from work. One point I haven't seen mentioned is that people may respond differently depending on their age. Also, I'm curious about the effect of consuming 500gms of liquid carbs post workout, what's the max you or VayneZ have done, post workout 15, minute window?

Scope75
03-14-2013, 03:43 PM
Kiefer has a shit ton of videos and lots of good info in them.

I'm 27, how old are you??

I don't don't drink any of my carbs.
My CarbNite is for enjoying carbs not drinking them. Lol

This weekend my refeed is going to be pretty sane and I plan to do something like this.
3pm 1box cereal
4pm Some jelly beans
5pm Sushi or another lean and carb loaded meal
6pm Fat free fro yo
7-8 I'll keep it fat free but not sure what. Maybe rice or some waffles
9-10 Right before bed 1 pan of Rice Krispie treats.

That's a super low fat CN and it looks super tasty to me.
If all goes as plan Ed this will be one of my smallest CarbNites also. I'm after maximum fatloss right now and that's why I've changed things up.

VayneZ
03-14-2013, 03:52 PM
This is awesome info!

How many times a week does Kiefer recommend carbnite? only once a week? or more?

VayneZ
03-14-2013, 03:54 PM
I'll be watching those when I get home from work. One point I haven't seen mentioned is that people may respond differently depending on their age. Also, I'm curious about the effect of consuming 500gms of liquid carbs post workout, what's the max you or VayneZ have done, post workout 15, minute window?

I've stopped eating carbs post workout since I've read Eric's post about our body's ability to absorb more amino's after intense workouts. So if it's CB, and I workout in the afternoon, I'll start my carbs at least 1 hour AFTER my post-workout protein/fat shake.

VayneZ
03-14-2013, 03:57 PM
Kiefer has a shit ton of videos and lots of good info in them.

I'm 27, how old are you??

I don't don't drink any of my carbs.
My CarbNite is for enjoying carbs not drinking them. Lol

This weekend my refeed is going to be pretty sane and I plan to do something like this.
3pm 1box cereal
4pm Some jelly beans
5pm Sushi or another lean and carb loaded meal
6pm Fat free fro yo
7-8 I'll keep it fat free but not sure what. Maybe rice or some waffles
9-10 Right before bed 1 pan of Rice Krispie treats.

That's a super low fat CN and it looks super tasty to me.
If all goes as plan Ed this will be one of my smallest CarbNites also. I'm after maximum fatloss right now and that's why I've changed things up.

bro, you eat like every hour! HOW DO YOU DO IT?!?!?!!? ok yeah, I remember you have way more room in your stomach then I do :p lol

Sounds like a legit plan bro!

Scope75
03-14-2013, 04:05 PM
That's just my plan and things will change. Like I just realized I only have 1hr for sushi when I'll eat that over 2hrs but I'll start at 5.
I kind of graze on stuff instead of gorge and stuff myself, but I end up eating the whole 8hrs.

DJM
03-14-2013, 04:06 PM
yeah im pretty stunned

im 220 and would be sick, unless i had weed all day

the pics of a pound of this n that, fuck me i wouldnt get through the dish

Scope75
03-14-2013, 04:07 PM
I've stopped eating carbs post workout since I've read Eric's post about our body's ability to absorb more amino's after intense workouts. So if it's CB, and I workout in the afternoon, I'll start my carbs at least 1 hour AFTER my post-workout protein/fat shake.

That's how and when I start my carbs too.

Scope75
03-14-2013, 04:12 PM
yeah im pretty stunned

im 220 and would be sick, unless i had weed all day

the pics of a pound of this n that, fuck me i wouldnt get through the dish
I'm HIGH as fuck during my CarbNites and that for sures helps.

The only meals I'm not high or don't smoke before are my lunches/first meal of the day.
I stay sober during work.

I've always had a crazy ability to pack away food but the longer I'm on this diet its just getting harder and harder because my meals are cal dense and don't take up all that much room.

DJM
03-14-2013, 04:17 PM
ahhhh ok
i see it now

nate3993
03-14-2013, 04:20 PM
more people need to utilize weed with bodybuilding. that was actually why i started smoking. to get in extra calories

Coolazice
03-14-2013, 04:25 PM
more people need to utilize weed with bodybuilding. that was actually why i started smoking. to get in extra calories

Too many companies test for it nowadays.

Scope75
03-14-2013, 04:49 PM
ahhhh ok
i see it now

I'm a BIG supporter of PROP 215!!!

My meals threw out the week are easy to eat sober, but when my CarbNite rolls around that's a whole different story.

Scope75
03-14-2013, 04:53 PM
more people need to utilize weed with bodybuilding. that was actually why i started smoking. to get in extra calories
I don't need it to eat but it helps.
I have to smoke before I lift or I won't lift. Lol I don't know why that is but that's the way I work. Without I have not focus or drive to get anything done in the gym.


Too many companies test for it nowadays.
Self Employed FTMFW!!!

Scope75
03-14-2013, 09:54 PM
Damn good meal!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/C5D5FF71-AF1E-4EB1-A959-40E3F83E60FC-47109-00002EB66FDF09A3_zps2e655cc8.jpg

Beef, broccoli, and spinach.
Spicy avocado sauce from pollo loco.

weekend
03-14-2013, 10:30 PM
Damn good meal!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/C5D5FF71-AF1E-4EB1-A959-40E3F83E60FC-47109-00002EB66FDF09A3_zps2e655cc8.jpg

Beef, broccoli, and spinach.
Spicy avocado sauce from pollo loco.

fuck this looks good

Scope75
03-14-2013, 10:46 PM
My pre dinner supp makes it even better.

weekend
03-15-2013, 12:37 AM
so hard for me to not eat carbs when im baked. lol

Scope75
03-15-2013, 05:18 AM
so hard for me to not eat carbs when im baked. lol

I very rarely get the munchies and if I did it would be bad...
Why, because I have a shit load of fucking carbs in my house.
Only way I get the munchies is if I take a little break from the smoke and then start back up. Once I restart its munchie madness.

VayneZ
03-15-2013, 07:32 AM
Scope we have so much in common my friend.

Ever since I started working out with 2 crazy cubans in Little Havana, Central Miami, they got me in that game! I was a pothead for a few years already before that. Dedicated bodybuilder, competed twice in Aruba, but I would NEVER workout high!

These 2 cubans (one was a model, the other was a Central Florida Powerlifting champion), they were THE most hardcore brothers I ever trained with, and they took me under their wings so to speak.

They used to pick me up, and have a superpump shake ready for me, and a big ass spliff to smoke. They would say: ''this is your pre-workout soldier''. And as we drove to the gym we would get mad high and adrenaline would be off the roof.

I remember the first time I worked out stoned! Could not believe I only had two sets done, and that I was still at my first exercise LOL!!!!! And THE SORENESS OMG!!!!!!

But that was just the first time.... after that I got hooked.... could NOT workout, could NOT cardio even, if I was not mad stoned! I had to sell drugs to even some of my college professors, every kind of drug, you name it! To be able to afford all the weed I was smoking for those 3 years! Not to mention the mushrooms, LSD and Mescaline trips I would often do on weekends with crazy girls :p

But yeah then circumstances changed drastically when I came back to the Island. Sometimes I really miss it though! But with my lifestyle now, it would be impossible. You have to really have ''the lifestyle'' to be able to live like you do (or that I used to do). Living on the beach, my own apartment, my own rules... man... awesome experience!!!

So I feel what you're saying bro! Been there for awhile

Scope75
03-15-2013, 08:07 AM
I've never been able to train with some bad mofos but I can imagine how good it must be.

Yeah I'm just like you use to be. Can't lift or do cardio without the herb and any other time of the day I could care less if I'm high or not. Herb and coffee is my pre workout now and its carb free to boot. Lol

Don't live on the beach but its close by, but I do have a house with NO TV, Internet, and a lot of other comfort items.
What it does have is a fridge stocked with food, a bed, and my IRON.
All I do at home is EAT, SLEEP, LIFT, and repeat!!

VayneZ
03-15-2013, 08:24 AM
C'est la vie my friend :)

Scope75
03-15-2013, 10:47 AM
Well today I'm going to keep the fats to the bare minimum and let my body fat be its sole source of fuel...
Hope it works like I think it should.

Scope75
03-15-2013, 11:22 AM
Oh and my parents and local family think I'm nuts for living the way I am right now.
I don't even have a couch or a set of dishes.. I use and wash the same plate and fork every meal.
The thing is I have the money to furnish my house, but I'm choosing to live with the minimum and they just don't understand that. Not sure how long I'll keep things this way but it'll be for all of 2013 at least.

Fat Bill Dwyer
03-15-2013, 11:31 AM
Love your log, love the food porn.
You make the minimalistic life sound pretty great.

Now if I could just convince my wife to sleep on a cot...

Scope75
03-15-2013, 11:37 AM
Love your log, love the food porn.
You make the minimalistic life sound pretty great.

Now if I could just convince my wife to sleep on a cot...

I'm loving it right now. I'm surrounded by everything I need and that's it.
The first weel I was going to stay at my house all I took was a sleeping bag and cot to sleep on. Luckily I spent that first week at a girls house. Lol

I even wash my clothes at work because I don't have a washer and dryer.

Fat Bill Dwyer
03-15-2013, 11:56 AM
I even wash my clothes at work because I don't have a washer and dryer.

Haha! yeah!

Scope75
03-15-2013, 01:58 PM
I eat like a King thou!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/1DA49A02-9C0A-4D54-8F96-7DB7CB657A24-47109-00002F7D2C727BF0_zps7a7f3d96.jpg

Scope75
03-15-2013, 05:43 PM
This is from September 2012... Pt 1. Meadows interviews Kiefer via mountain dog
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JOHN: I am extremely excited to announce that this month we have the creator of the very famous and successful carb-backloading style of eating, John "dangerously hardcore" Kiefer! Kiefer, tell us a little bit about yourself, your roots, and what you are passionate about!

DH: Hey John, thanks for taking the time to do this interview with me. I had a lot of fun on our radio interview last month, as I don't get to talk to many people with such a deep knowledge of training and diet. Now, you can say I'm a bit of geek, as I've got a masters in physics and engineered software for over a decade before quitting to spend all my time on my passion, which is improving human performance. To be clear, not just performance at sports, as I'm currently known for, but performance at life. Everyone should be healthy, strong and, well, a bad ass everyday day of their life. So a few years ago I dropped a lucrative career to get what I've learned out there to the public. Since I grew up as a fat kid, I always wanted to figure out how to look like the guys on the magazines and after every single diet disappointed me, I hit the research journals and read...and read. After a dozen or so years of researching and experimenting I wrote my first book, The Carb Nite Solution, but I didn't know anything about marketing or how to get myself out there, so I shelved it. Then a few years ago and even more reading, learning and experimenting, I gave it another run and wrote Carb Back-Loading, which, in my eyes, is a revolution in the diet world. But, to be honest, the only reason anybody knows who I am is because the diet just plain works and it's stupid-simple to apply.


JOHN: I actually purchased it myself, when I read something along the lines that there is a major focus on nutrition around training. I absolutely loved it! I think that periworkout nutrition is 80% of the ballgame. Can you tell us a little bit about eating around training, and about why it's so important?

DH: Where to even begin. I remember when I was a newbie and had some weird vision of my time in the gym, that every rep of every set triggered growth. Now I understand that every one of those reps sparked destruction, it's only that the workout opens an anabolic window when it's finished. Because of the catabolic behavior of training that proceeds the anabolic environment, you want to introduce nutrients through the entire process (during in some cases, and after always) to prevent catabolism and fuel anabolism, respectively. Plus, heavy training creates unique metabolic scenarios that we can take advantage of. For one, post-training, it's nearly impossible to trigger fat storage; another is the cellular reactions training triggers that allow muscle cells to soak up carbs but leaves fat cells impaired to do so. There's also the hormetic free-radical response which is a major growth trigger and one you can finely tune with nutrition. And there's heightened mTOR activation, which is another nutrient-modulated growth pathway...and the list goes on. I could probably fill this entire interview with just each of the individual reactions that take place when you train and the arrangement of food to conduct a symphony of growth. Which, oddly enough from our discussions, you've already seemed to have pretty well tuned, science be damned. I almost want to ask one more time how the hell you came so close--as close as person could possibly get without well-controlled studies--to what I consider the perfect diet. But this is your interview...


JOHN: HA! I did exactly what I am doing now. I found people smarter than me (like you), and learned from them. I had Dr. Eric Serrano mentor me for years and years, and I learned from many others along the way. Tim Patterson (owner of Biotest) is somebody who has opened my mind alot to in recent past. I did quite a bit of reading and writing, and seeing and experimenting in the trenches always provided clues if I just paid attention. Many times I would figure something out, then go back and try to find how it could work via scientfic text. Sometimes it would back me up, sometimes it would say I was dead wrong. So finding people like you, and learning, was and always will be something I strive to do.

I really like the way you put training into context using the word "destruction" and this leading to a window. I call this creating "opportunities". The more opportunities you can create, the more potential you have to grow muscle.

In your opinion, what are the key elements, techniques, etc, with training that create this environment. Can I go run a mile and create this? Do I need to do a heavy single? Something in between?

DH: I feel like you're giving me the opportunity to rant here, but I'll refrain, at least a little. Cardio is absolutely your worst exercise modality for creating the optimized anabolic window for growth. Not that it can't trigger growth with the right supplementation (such as loading with leucine immediately after), but it's not going to spark actual hypertrophy; in fact, it makes muscle cells smaller and more compact and ultimately limits growth. For the ideal environment--and I'm speaking purely about anabolic and hypertrophic signaling--you need at least a heavy load that's less than a 10-rep max and that load needs to be taken to failure for at least 1 set on upper body movements and 3 sets on lower body movements (and I can't explain why there's that difference, but the research confirms this discrepancy). As an example, if you're 6-rep max for bench is 315, you'd need to do at least one set of bench in that workout with 315 taken to failure (which should be 5-7 reps depending on how your body "feels" that day).


JOHN: Now this is why you are one of my favorites. Talk a little bit more about muscle cells getting smaller.

DH: Sure. It's an interesting phenomenon and considered a bit of a paradox. The size a muscle cell can ultimately obtain is based on the nuclei density which is also related to mitochondrial density. In essence, the muscle needs to increase in oxidative capacity--i.e. increase the anaerobic threshold of the muscle--to obtain maximum size. Standard hypertrophy training, however, actually decreases muscle cell nuclei concentration (resulting in about 40 nuclei per muscle cell) as it increases the cell size. Sprint-endurance training, however, increases the number of muscle cell nuclei (resulting in 60 nuclei per cell on average) but at the same time makes muscle cells smaller and more compact rather than increasing size as hypertrophy training does. It takes particular combinations of the two, or correct staging of sprint-endurance training with resistance training to force muscle to increase in both size and potential.


JOHN: Variation in program reps and design. I like what I am hearing.

In order to repair or even prevent the destruction that you mention, what is the best way to do this nutritionally?

DH: There are four things that are critical: Fish-oil supplementation throughout the day and regularly, as this keeps cells at maximum anabolic efficiency, simply because they're healthier when long-chain omega-3s (in fish oil) become incorporated into the cellular membrane. After training (and possibly during) the key trifecta is whey or casein hydrolysates, creatine and leucine. This prevents or attenuates damage intra-workout and triggers massive growth signals post-workout. I would be remiss to ignore a longer-acting support protein for that growth spike, like whey isolate or a mix of whey isolate and micellar casein. Although hydrolysates and leucine trigger growth, the amino-acid spike they provide is too short-lived to actually support the growth, so you need another, slower absorbing protein in the mix.


JOHN: I have always read that including some saturated fat in your diet also actually helped with the Omega 3 retention in tissue, any thoughts on that?

DH: I've read that before, but I think it's a bit of trick question here because it depends on the source of omega 3. If you're getting omega 3 from plant sources, it's primarily alpha-linolenic acid which needs to be converted into EPA and DHA for full effectiveness. The problem, however, is that the enzymes needed to make these conversion may shift alpha-linolenic acid into several different end products, like saturated and mono-unsaturated fats, plus these enzymes are limited, so if you don't get enough saturated fat--which is necessary for cell-membrane structure and hormone production--the body will "waste" some of the alpha-linolenic acid by converting it into less functional derivatives instead the key factors EPA and DHA. That's why I always recommend supplementing with fish oil because of the high amount of EPA and DHA rather than putting the burden on your system to make it from a raw material. But...saturated fat is a key component to health and energy production, so it should be included in the diet regardless.


JOHN: What if we are still sore in a particular bodypart? Is it ok to train a sore muscle if our goal is hypertrohy?

DH: For hypertrophy, there's no need to skip a bodypart because of 2 or 3 day DOMS (or even over a week in some cases). That type of soreness is caused by nuclei damage in skeletal muscle cells that allow calcium to leak into the surrounding tissue. This is normal and the body adapts to create protective proteins to protect against damage in subsequent sessions. If you're sore for days after every workout, then you're not meeting minimum protein needs necessary for repair and growth (I think baseline protein-turnover rates are 0.8g/kg of body mass...that's the minimum necessary to prevent wasting). The real thing to worry about and not over-stress, is the nervous system. Muscle tissue is always recovered within 36 hours and ready for more training despite the DOMS...the nervous system, however, can take over 7 days to recover is overtaxed.


JOHN: What are your thoughts on reviving a burned out CNS. I have always thought shorter more frequent workouts seemed to do a nice job, especially when the training was more "explosive" in nature, and not so much "grinding" in nature.

DH: I'm in total agreement with you here. Although a lot of people aren't fans of the idea of a burned out CNS, it's clearly a real phenomenon as demonstrated by the research. I actually created and released a free template of my Shockwave training that was designed exactly for such a scenario. I dug through the research to find something that I could use even when I felt burned out instead of taking a week or two off. No because I'm some masochistic freak, but because I love going to the gym, I love the feeling of a good pump and I need some opportunity to make my body do meaningful work after my mind's work forced it to sit most of the day. Two concepts I developed from the research are Partitioned Set Ramping (PSR) and Self-Modulated Progression (SMP). PSR, simply, is using lighter loads at the beginning of the set of an exercise and developing force through acceleration then moving up until you're generating force through increased load. This has been shown to "wake-up" the nervous system and can allow for greater power production throughout the workout (and I'm starting to lean toward the idea that the most important factor for hypertrophy is riding the edge of constant peak power production (CP3). The nice thing about PSR sets is that your nervous system will tell you when it's had enough since you simply can no longer accelerate the load at some point. And if it's not truly exhausted, this kind of scheme wakes if up and actually energizes the remaining workout. SMP, on the other hand, is almost a throwback to the Weider Principle days. At its heart is "listen to your body". We've come to the point of believing that if the training templates says you've got to hit your 3 rep-max on squats on Monday of next week and it should be 25 lbs more than your 3-rep max that you hit 2 weeks ago, and if you don't, you somehow failed. The body isn't always in prime condition for maximum effort. Research has shown that strength athletes progress faster by training to the max of how they feel rather than the prescribed max on their templates. The two principles together, PSR sets plus SMP can help to both avoid CNS burnout and recover more quickly from it by allowing the CNS to activate without getting taxed.


JOHN: This is why I love accommodating resistance. You can train this explosiveness so well. Many times as you go up in weight via chains, the weight actually feels lighter as your nervous seems to start hitting on all cylinders. Training with bands seems a bit more complex though. I had very good success with some banded work on the leg press, bench, etc, but after 4 to 6 weeks, the gains would rapidly disappear. It appeared to me the eccentric overload was just too much to handle for over a month or so. Do you have any thoughts on eccentric loading and overtraining?

DH: I do. Eccentric overload has been shown to be great for hypertrophy gains, but that surprisingly doesn't carry over to strength very well. The reasons, as far as I can tell from the research, haven't been fully elucidated yet, but I would venture to say that three factors come into play. First, eccentric loading causes far greater damage to muscle cells which elicits growth, but doesn't allow for massive strength gains, but I would bet there's an upper limit to how long we can utilize this over-damage-for-growth principle before it stalls; Second, eccentric overload is harsh on the nervous system and there's only so long you can abuse the CNS before it says, "enough," and stops you from fully contracting muscles with each rep which is obviously going to slow down hypertrophy and strength gains; Third, eccentric overload can decrease GLUT4 and 12 efficiency and translocation, making it harder to transport glucose into cells which can decrease performance during training and prevent effective glycogen repletion after training. This detrimental effect would take some time to notice, say a month or two as the deficit accumulates. This matches with your observations nicely. But what do I know?

Scope75
03-15-2013, 05:46 PM
This is from September 2012... Pt 2. Meadows interviews Kiefer via mountain dog
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JOHN: John we left off talking about how eccentric overload can be a double edge sword, and can actually decrease glut-4 translocation if you overdo it. How about concentric loading? I don't know that I have an opinion on this yet, so I am open to you swaying me! Here is an example of something I love doing. Grab a rope with one hand, and pull a sled simulating a low row. You can "explode" and then as the weight comes to the end of a slide, just step back and repeat. There is no eccentric element at all. I think of it in terms that I am adding to the workload, without killing CNS. I have not built this into any of my programs yet though, as I haven't done it for a long enough period of time, to see a long term effect.

DH: This is an interesting question and one I thought a lot about just over a year ago and that's when someone introduced me to exactly what you're describing! I think this type of training makes a nice adjunct, but since learning about it, I'm not really sure of its place. The eccentric portion of training triggers most of your inflammatory damage (that also sparks growth), so when someone's beaten the hell out of their muscles or getting an abnormal frequency and intensity of the DOMS, then this concentric-only training is awesome and I can see a use. And like we discussed, it does initiate non-insulin mediated GLUT translocation, so it could be used with carb-manipulating protocols like CBL and the Mountain Dog brand of contest prep dieting. I'm not sold, however, on the claims I've heard of allowing CNS recovery. I think it's the intrinsic methodology and not the concentric isolation, as using a sled in this manner is normally done with higher reps and lower weight than you could handle for a really big pull. Essentially, your muscles tire from an energy systems-standpoint (buildup of proton donors) and not because you're really working the CNS. So, the CNS recovers, but only because you're simply using a load that burns you out before hitting the extremes of CNS activation. If you look at an activity like say pulling a semi truck with a rope, so you're just pulling hand over hand and not moving your feet, the CNS impact would be massive even though this is also concentric only. So, I guess what I'm saying in a long-ass way is, the jury's out, but it's still awesome to have a method of concentric-only training.

JOHN: We'll see where that one heads in the future. You mentioned the inflammatory process. This caught my eye, because for so many years, I think I was completely wrong about inflammation and soreness. I always wore my soreness like a badge of courage. The sorer I got, the better I thought I was doing. I did make progress, nice and steady progress. When I started really hammering pre, intra, and post workout nutrition, the soreness evaporated. At first I thought, oh man, I must not be training hard enough. As the soreness vanished, I was able to increase my frequency of training though. Gains tremendously accelerated. Now the best thing I can hear from a client is this, "John what am I doing wrong, I am not sore anymore?". With the tremendous amount of importance you place on nutrition around training, I am guessing you are hearing the same thing?

DH: I'm saying almost exactly the same thing. The studies on DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) always intrigued me because, although the soreness can last a few days, biochemically, muscle respond just as they do when there's no DOMS within 48 hours. The research also shows that you should also really only experience the DOMS once or twice (assuming you continue your training regimen), but I was like you, experiencing them regularly but still gaining. As I progressed and started including higher quality protein powders--gave up crap like Muscle Milk and Designer Whey--I noticed it stopped. What I later found out is that eccentric loading, in particular, triggers damage in skeletal muscle mitochondria which can cause calcium ion leakage. It's these ions that make you sore the next day. It happens pretty much every time you train heavy. But this also triggers several protective responses like the heat shock factor cycle. Your body actually builds up proteins to protect against residual damage, but it needs adequate vitamin and protein supplies to do so effectively. The bottom line, if you're getting the DOMS on a regular basis, your nutrition sucks.

JOHN: How did we go so wrong on this?

DH: I just think it's the nature of the beast. People who train seriously don't mind punishing themselves; it's like a badge of honor, as you said. I mean, just look at CrossFit: they've gone so far as to actually praise injury in lieu of results. So being sore for a few days, psychologically, gives you bragging rights about how much of a badass you are, so you start to expect it. When it goes away, you think you're not working hard enough, so you do stupid shit to make it happen again, just so you can feel like you succeeded. It's probably the only thing in life where success is measured in consistency of pain.

JOHN: So where do we draw the line with training. How much inflammation do we really need to trigger growth?

DH: Damn, you're pulling out the big guns here. I can't tell you for sure, but the answer's not much. Like I touched on before, inflammation is hormetic, a little bit triggers growth and too much pushes the needle the other direction into muscle breakdown. For example, that's one reason NOS supplements "might" work, because they increase levels of intramuscular nitric oxide which is an inflammatory (and is produced every time we train anyway). But what seems to be the case is that you only need to allow the inflammation response to last through your training, after which, you should be doing what you can to curb it. That's one reason carbs post-training can be a growth potentiator. The insulin release works as an anti-inflammatory. That would also explain (and I'm extrapolating here) the probable cause of stymied muscle growth while taking NSAIDS like acetaminophen (Tylenol) and ibuprofen (Advil), because they don't allow you to get the full hormetic response during the training session.

JOHN: Yes, and the way I approach it, is to curb the inflammation to a degree while training via carbs to drive insulin. I liken this to digging a ditch. I only want to dig it a foot deep. Then as I add dirt (protein synthesis, I quickly fill up the 1 foot and add to what there was orginially if I continue to add. Now if I were to dig it 10 feet deep during the session, I have to fill that up just to get back to status quo, let along beat where I started. That whole skeletal muscle turnover rate thing is a doozy.

Also, I believe excess inflammation can actually decrease insulin sensitivity and cause other issues - can you expound on this?

DH: I wish I could be technical on this one, but they've seen in studies that chronic inflammatory response (which can be from stress or over-productions of the bio-active omega-6 fatty acids like (arachidonic acid) cause cellular dysfunction at the membrane level, which itself could explain everything since insulin's only interaction with a cell is by stimulating GLUT4 and GLUT12 response through the cellular goo. This is something that I'm now going to have to put on my plate to research, because I hate not having a more detailed answer.

JOHN: Haha! Ok, we will look for a full report soon!

Ok, so here is something that I love arguing about with people. In bodybuilding, popular dogma has always been that in order to gain muscle at the absolute fastest rate, you have to get borderline fat, and basically eat everything in sight and do a "bulk up". I am 100% against this idea. I say to stay within 10% bodyfat generally speaking (sure some can get away with more), as I believe once you get too fat, fat cells in themselves can lessen insulin sensitivity (cytokines etc)...so the more fat you accumulate, the worse this happens, and the SLOWER the rate of growth. Building muscle at the fastest rate would mean to manage insulin sensitivity to a degree, and yes not be ripped, but again, decently lean. Please tell me if I am full of crap or if there might be something to what I am saying!

DH: I'm with you 100% on this one. I used to believe that gaining required bulking up, just like everyone else, but it doesn't. This is what my MTR concept is based on, Modulated Tissue Response. If you know what you're doing with food and supplements, you can continuously give your muscles the signal to grow while keep your fat cells at least at bay and if you spend enough time experimenting with yourself, and depending on how fat you are to begin with, you can drop fat and gain muscle at the same time. And like you said, as you start pushing the limits of what your fat cells can store, they release more and more inflammatory agents like tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF-alpha), angiopoietin-like protein 2 (Angplt2), and can trigger macrophage activity that is related to even more inflammatory factors (a subset of the interleukin family, C-reative protein and so on), all of which mess with insulin sensitivity (like I said above, I can't explain the exact mechanism) and stymies growth of all cells, including muscle cells. Getting fatter means slowing growth. And you're absolutely correct, manipulating nutrient timing to keep insulin sensitivity at its peak is the fastest road to growth, which means avoiding getting fat and choosing the right time to ingest carbs.

JOHN: The other thing about getting too fat, is that it is going to require some major suffering to get down and look right, in which I think you will probably burn muscle off, and man it's hard enough to build muscle, so I sure as heck don't want to be a cardio bunny eating tuna and lettuce for months on end due to risk of eating muscle.

Ok, so here is another one for you. People talk about the post competition "rebound". You just had a long diet and your muscle cells will just soak up and all food you throw at it, so pig out! Isn’t is also true that your fat cells will also soak up stuff and grow if you overdue it, and you might actually create some NEW fat cells?

DH: If you prep carefully, the rebound should only serve to tighten you up. Most of my clients (especially females for some reason), will Carb Back-Load after coming off of a competition (and do they back-load: there's nothing like seeing a 5'2", 120 lb girl putting down a 16 inch pizza who is then ready for dessert shortly after), and lean down! They normally drop another 2 lbs of scale weight. It's because by prepping correctly, they don't end up in metabolic derrangement but metabolic overdrive.

With classic prep protocols (such as hours of cardio, starvation and over-exertion), people come off of a show with a devastated metabolism, increased glucose sensitivity in pancreatic beta cells and monstrous cortisol levels. The minute they start binging, cortisol levels are up and insulin levels get extremely high and this combination can cause pre-adipocytes to mature into full-blown fat storage units even if the surrounding fat cells aren't full yet! This, coupled with LPL (lipoprotein lipase which draws fat into cells) suppression in muscle tissue and amplified levels in fat cells means your body becomes a turbocharged fat-storing machine. Even in short time, you've drastically increased your potential to store fat. This is why so many woman who compete blow up and can never recover their previous stage shape because of the damage they do in as little as a few weeks. Fat cells can spring into existence at any time, but they take about 10 years to die. Can you say disaster?

JOHN: Ok. let's wrap this one up with some fun stuff.

1) What are your 5 favorite and tastiest foods to backload with?
5) Pizza
4) Cookie dough cookie sandwiches (smash raw chocolate chip cookie dough between two sugar cookies)
3) Fresh from the fryer raised-sugar coated donuts.
2) Coconut Gelato
1) Cherry turnovers

2) Favorite movie?
This is a tough one. It's a toss-up between Snatch, Real Genius, and Hitman.

3) Favorite book in regards to nutrition?
At least this one's a no brainer: Carb Back-Loading, of course.

4) Favorite comic book character if you’re weird like me into that kind of stuff?
Colossus from the old-school X-men comics (not the new-aged cream-puff from the movies).

JOHN: I just added a slide to my EliteFTS training presentation with a picture of the old Colossus today! Ha!

5) What is the first thing that comes to your mind when I say Eva Mendes?
That scene from the movie "The Other Guys" when Will Ferrell says, "I think to myself, 'Who would roast a dog's asshole and feed it to someone, You would.'" That scene, unfortunately, ruined my association of hotness with Eva Mendes and replaced it with hilarity.

JOHN: My image of her is an opening scene with Joaquin Phoenix from the movie “We Own the Night.” Watch it and the association of hotness will come right back guaranteed.

6) What is the worst trend in the fitness industry today in terms of nutrition?
Non-experienced people popping up as internet gurus because of their own personal success without any background knowledge or without having worked with people. This internet celebrity gives them the hubris to make shit up about nutrition and people think its fact. It helps no one.

JOHN: I’ll never forget the first time Dave Tate told me that many authors have never even trained one client. I thought wow, people writing books on fitness and having 0 experience. Scary.

7) Same question as above in terms of diet?
I'll be honest; it's the splintering and rebranding of so many concepts into kitschy names because everyone wants to be known for inventing something. It makes it hard for people to tell the difference between crap and cream and makes it easy for the old-guard to defame useful, powerful diets (like paleo or ketogenic diets) as fads. There are only a few types of basic diets as far as health and performance go and everything else is a shiny turd.

JOHN: Well once again, thank you DH for all your time and knowledge. I know our audience will absolutely love the information you have shared, and on a personal level, this has been awesome for me as well to hear your thoughts.

To all the readers out there, I have personally purchased the carb back-loading manual, and it was well worth the money, in fact, it's a steal for the price. I encourage you to pick it up as it is jam packed full of awesome information.

DH, what is the easiest way for people to do this?

DH: They can go to CarbBackLoading.com to purchase the book, or if they want a preview, they can download the first five chapters by visiting DangerouslyHardcore.com. Basically, the free download is a quick synopsis of what's the book can do for you!

Scope75
03-16-2013, 09:16 AM
Weekly update!!!

Well last week I was 216.6 and I was eating lots o food.
This week I'm 215.8 and that's with me cutting the shit out of cals. Lol
So after a week of lowered cals I'm down .8 pounds....
I'm super happy to not be dropping pounds and pounds while still leaning out slowly. I was hesitant to weigh myself this morning in fear of seeing the number on the scale drop below 212-214.

Today 215.8
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/581A305E-A5C4-4082-A5A6-EF67894D9297-141-00000095956D90AA_zps55a899c6.jpg

Last week 216.6
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/707B9CD7-E3CE-4FF2-9B3B-ACC1D8B63EBB-42945-000028E55EC85BEF_zps5135af0e.jpg

Scope75
03-16-2013, 03:53 PM
Just finished a box of these Marshmellow Pebbles...
244g to start things off.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/C665FB8C-99C6-4BE5-AC9F-456790F9C48E-141-000000E8B62E028A_zpsc2b0e200.jpg
Also had a 2 MJ PB cookies, and 2 fat bowls of Incredible Hulk!!!

Scope75
03-16-2013, 03:57 PM
Tonight's Sushi
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/23CB62E5-92B7-4620-85D2-56EFD427C72B-141-000000ED5764F041_zpsa0571ca3.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/20D142D7-1F29-485B-A3E3-6E680EE11937-141-000000ED5C8203E5_zpsb68c008b.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/FC64226C-8E4B-4130-AE2A-283DE77E20FD-141-000000ED625E8D8D_zps08971ade.jpg

Scope75
03-16-2013, 04:08 PM
Tonight's Doughnuts!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/9754632A-92CF-41E3-8F8C-C086DEAE5DB5-141-000000F40F754859_zps4d0fd144.jpg

Yeah, yeah I know....
My cleaner/low fat CarbNite went out the window.
I drove past the doughnut shop made it one block flipped a bitch and picked up what you see in the pic.

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 04:14 PM
I really need to quit checking your updates on Saturdays.

Scope75
03-16-2013, 04:19 PM
I really need to quit checking your updates on Saturdays.

Haha...
Gotta love CarbNites!!!

This is by far the funest eat diet I've ever been on.
I know I could do all this on a traditional BB type diet but they aren't any fun, and you have to dial things in. With this diet I eat what I like and love then get to pig out on carbs every weekend.

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 04:24 PM
Haha...
Gotta love CarbNites!!!

This is by far the funest eat diet I've ever been on.
I know I could do all this on a traditional BB type diet but they aren't any fun, and you have to dial things in. With this diet I eat what I like and love then get to pig out on carbs every weekend.

Looks like a cool diet. If I was single I would definitely try and run it for a while.

Scope75
03-16-2013, 04:30 PM
Looks like a cool diet. If I was single I would definitely try and run it for a while.
Yes being single and living solo for sure makes things way easier. 3-4 days ULC and I don't want to be around anyone and I like bein alone/no family or friends around on my CarbNites because I feel like a fucking hog eating all this food. I do want to CN at a buffet one night and just stay in that bitch for 8-10 hours and eat until I pop or shit my pants. Lol

Scope75
03-16-2013, 04:34 PM
This is going to be a good CN...

Just took a MASSIVE SHIT and I feel like I haven't even aTE yet and I'm half way threw that sushi. Lol

Gonna smoke a little more hulk, chill out, and then get back to the food in 30 minutes.

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 04:38 PM
Yes being single and living solo for sure makes things way easier. 3-4 days ULC and I don't want to be around anyone and I like bein alone/no family or friends around on my CarbNites because I feel like a fucking hog eating all this food. I do want to CN at a buffet one night and just stay in that bitch for 8-10 hours and eat until I pop or shit my pants. Lol

Ha ha... go for it! We want a detailed log of food ate along with pics.... especially when you get escorted out of the place for wiping the place out of food. ;)

Scope75
03-16-2013, 04:45 PM
Ha ha... go for it! We want a detailed log of food ate along with pics.... especially when you get escorted out of the place for wiping the place out of food. ;)

Oh it's going to be well documented..
Maybe a live feed... Lol

The plan is to kill the Wynn buffet in Las Vegas during Olympia weekend...
I want to walk in there with shorts, flip flops, a wife beater, and fucking JACKED.
By then I hope to be 225-230 so I should be able to est even more than I can now.

Scope75
03-16-2013, 04:50 PM
These drinks help out in a BIG way on a CarbNite!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/8B93C6CC-FDCD-474C-BB4E-7EAABA2585B5-141-0000010484BA55B1_zps54d7e9d5.jpg
Hell they are good anyday but I can only drink them on CarbNites.

Scope75
03-16-2013, 05:46 PM
Snacking on some of these DarkSide Skittles.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/96BE7F06-7E1F-4C66-A9D6-5387A79229D5-141-00000114E9AB9053_zps0302d0bf.jpg
Not as good as the orginals....
Good thing I have those too. With green apple!!!
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/C3541E28-F18D-4C5D-85AB-786EB158DD89-141-00000115FB4399D0_zpsa6f82297.jpg

markam
03-16-2013, 09:40 PM
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/C3541E28-F18D-4C5D-85AB-786EB158DD89-141-00000115FB4399D0_zpsa6f82297.jpg

You sure?

Skittles’ ingredients are: Sugar, corn syrup, hydrogenated palm kernel oil, apple juice from concentrate, less than 2% - citric acid, dextrin, modified corn starch, natural and artificial flavors, coloring (includes yellow 6 lake, red 40 lake, yellow 5 lake, blue 2 lake, yellow 5, red 40, yellow 6, blue 1 lake, blue 1), ascorbic acid (vitamin c).

weekend
03-16-2013, 09:52 PM
Just finished a box of these Marshmellow Pebbles...
244g to start things off.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/C665FB8C-99C6-4BE5-AC9F-456790F9C48E-141-000000E8B62E028A_zpsc2b0e200.jpg
Also had a 2 MJ PB cookies, and 2 fat bowls of Incredible Hulk!!!

this is 244 g carbs?? i'd be surprised

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 10:59 PM
this is 244 g carbs?? i'd be surprised

The whole box probably was... not just that little bowl.

weekend
03-16-2013, 11:08 PM
ah i missed that box part. haha a whole box of cereal is hard to eat.. i suck at eating large amounts of carbs...

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 11:15 PM
ah i missed that box part. haha a whole box of cereal is hard to eat.. i suck at eating large amounts of carbs...

I'd have a hard time doing it too. I guess when you abstain for 6.5 days the cravings kinda take over and you become an eating machine. The weed probably helps too. lol

Scope75
03-17-2013, 01:21 AM
The whole box probably was... not just that little bowl.
Correct


ah i missed that box part. haha a whole box of cereal is hard to eat.. i suck at eating large amounts of carbs...
Not all that hard and just eat 3 bowls back to back to back and then chill for 45 minutes. Lol


I'd have a hard time doing it too. I guess when you abstain for 6.5 days the cravings kinda take over and you become an eating machine. The weed probably helps too. lol
Correct and bolded is a good supp for CarbNites.

Scope75
03-17-2013, 01:23 AM
The transformation on a CarbNite....
Saturday morning
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/581A305E-A5C4-4082-A5A6-EF67894D9297-141-00000095956D90AA_zps55a899c6.jpg
Saturday night
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/46BC014B-3023-4C4E-9314-7357027020BA-441-0000008FDC2CE170_zps22702545.jpg
Flexing the FAB
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/924CF06D-F845-48D5-A6A4-4CA5CE63676A-441-0000008FE20FA4E5_zps072eeaec.jpg
FAB= Fat AB lol

weekend
03-17-2013, 01:41 AM
cool vascularity increase! you are pretty low sodium on the carbnites right because your carbless foods always look salty...

so the increase is just from the carbs?

nice saturday morning finally showing a little ab definition. keep it up.

Scope75
03-17-2013, 08:36 AM
My carbless foods are only salted by bacon or sea salt when there's no bacon in the mix.
My veins just disappeared this week and I'm sure its because of the heat and not drinking enough water this past week.

I just jumped on the scale and I'm 230.6 so that's a 15lbs gain from last night.
This is after 2 pisses and a shit.

h2s
03-17-2013, 08:52 AM
Carbs generally seem to increase vascularity when going from a low carb state to carb administration. I see this even on a smaller level when just taking carbs pre-wo.

Scope75
03-17-2013, 09:25 AM
Carbs generally seem to increase vascularity when going from a low carb state to carb administration. I see this even on a smaller level when just taking carbs pre-wo.

I usually looked jacked during my refeeds but not this weekend. My legs looked crazy thou. Lol

- - - Updated - - -

Sunday 230.6
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/80CA9D60-0885-4B90-B3E9-840B9BFDAD27-441-000000AC09EBB031_zpsc88955d9.jpg

Stomach feels way better than last night and I feel pretty normal right now.

Gonna hit squats here in a while.

Scope75
03-17-2013, 09:29 AM
Oh and last night I was thinking what the hell should I do with these left over doughnuts because I only ate 3-4.
I'm going to load up all my left overs and give them to a homeless or needy person. I gave a guy 5 bucks yesterday and I was pisses I didn't give him my doughnuts instead so I'll be going back to his spot and hooking him up fat...
Doughnuts, Sushi, cookies, and cupcakes.

Scope75
03-17-2013, 02:31 PM
Yesterday was my last day on AndroMass, so this week will be a test to see if I can maintain the mass gained while completely ULC.
So this coming week will NOT be lower cals. They are going back up to 3-3.5k a day. My diet this week will be Beef, Bacon, Butter, Chicken, Tuna and Coconut Oil. Veggies will be added to soak up the fat.

VayneZ
03-17-2013, 05:38 PM
What are you running for PCT??

VayneZ
03-17-2013, 05:42 PM
Dude, that bowl of those marshmellow pebbles!!! ahhhh I so want to eat my box RIGHT NOW!!!

I'm doing tomorrow ULC (yup, extending my carb day for Tuesday), for the reason that tomorrow is a national holiday on the Island. Stupid gym is closed! So I'll do delts and tri's Tuesday, so I'll do Carb Nite also Tuesday. I'll be then carb depleted for 7.5 days.... first time I'm holding it this long!

And btw Scope, you're the man! You're the man! SICK how amazing you are transforming in those pics!!!!!

Bucks
03-17-2013, 06:26 PM
I don't know how the fuck you can get all that down man. I tried last weekend couldn't even get to 300g in 2 hrs. Of coarse I have only been eating a max of 200g per day for over a year now of complex carbs.

Trying again tonight for 400-500g . It is cool to eat stuff I have not had in years and not feel so guilty. All my stuff is low fat simple carbs to drive the sugar spike.

It's been time for a change up in my diet and since I'm mid cycle it shouldn't hurt anything.

Scope75
03-18-2013, 07:24 AM
What are you running for PCT??

No PCT yet.
I'm still on 12.5mg Osta and 5 pumps dermacrine.
As soon as the Osta is done I'll start my PCT up.
Torem and PP TRS.. Have other natty products I'll be using also.

Scope75
03-18-2013, 07:31 AM
VayneZ that extra day isn't a problem and you don't have to workout before your CN so if you wanted to do it today it would be fine.

Can't wait to see where I'll be in a few more weeks..

Bucks
It's no cake walk getting the amount of food down that I do. I eat 8hrs straight and I put on 10-15 pounds every refeed.

VayneZ
03-18-2013, 09:43 AM
VayneZ that extra day isn't a problem and you don't have to workout before your CN so if you wanted to do it today it would be fine.

Can't wait to see where I'll be in a few more weeks..

Bucks
It's no cake walk getting the amount of food down that I do. I eat 8hrs straight and I put on 10-15 pounds every refeed.

I sometimes train a crew of 4 or 5 peepz on leg day. Some of them are REALLY hardcore yet I kill them suckaz! And When they're almost about to die, I scream at them: ''YOU THINK THIS IS HELL!?!?! WAIT TILL YOU NAIL 1.5k + OF CARBS IN AN 8 HOUR SESSION!! THAT! IS HELL!!!! LEG DAY IS EASY! TRAIN! :mad: ''

Scope75
03-18-2013, 09:44 AM
Last nights dinner.
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/8B901711-7E74-43FE-9B58-9B3C32B22B62-441-00000150F44DF1F7_zps16624b0a.jpg
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/C0EAEAD1-D3DA-4DF2-B6C3-E8A1CD15F15E-441-00000150F8F2CCA4_zps7fd4482b.jpg

Yeah I liked those Marshmellow Pebbles..
http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s408/scope75/D40AF8C4-F915-45A0-84DA-9E9A22B126BE-441-00000151039D624E_zps179e06a6.jpg

Scope75
03-18-2013, 09:48 AM
I sometimes train a crew of 4 or 5 peepz on leg day. Some of them are REALLY hardcore yet I kill them suckaz! And When they're almost about to die, I scream at them: ''YOU THINK THIS IS HELL!?!?! WAIT TILL YOU NAIL 1.5k + OF CARBS IN AN 8 HOUR SESSION!! THAT! IS HELL!!!! LEG DAY IS EASY! TRAIN! :mad: ''

I agree...
Training is the easy part. These massive refeeds are where you really do work. Lol
What do you have lined up for your refeed this week??