Why Ultra Hard (iconic formulation) now instead of andro hard (musclegelz)?

[stopfin]

Why - all of a sudden - is ultra hard now the recommended product instead of andro hard as per cycling prohormones?

[xxaleksi]

Why - all of a sudden - is ultra hard now the recommended product instead of andro hard as per cycling prohormones?
The formula in androhard was changed in September 2019 and the new stuff is extremely underdosed. I've ran both versions and the new androhard does nothing for me.

To put things in perspective:

To get 100mg of the active ingredients with the old AH, you'd only need one pump.

To get 100mg of the active ingredients with the new AH, you'd need TWELVE pumps.

At least that's what Muscle Gelz told me via email.

[stopfin]

The formula in androhard was changed in September 2019 and the new stuff is extremely underdosed. I've ran both versions and the new androhard does nothing for me.

To put things in perspective:

To get 100mg of the active ingredients with the old AH, you'd only need one pump.

To get 100mg of the active ingredients with the new AH, you'd need TWELVE pumps.

At least that's what Muscle Gelz told me via email.


thanks for your explanation.. do you have the formula of the andro hard concerning how much epi andro and andro is in there? it it the same ratio as the ultra hard has?

[xxaleksi]

thanks for your explanation.. do you have the formula of the andro hard concerning how much epi andro and andro is in there? it it the same ratio as the ultra hard has?
Andro hard has 100mg of andro and 100mg of epi.

Ultra hard has 125 of andro and 375 of epi

[stopfin]

ok got it.. thanks. when I was asking them 2 months ago about a change in their product the guy answering my mail said he doesn't know what I'm talking about haha

[stopfin]

Cdsnuts which product did you use during your recovery and which ingredients did this one have?

[stopfin]

is this ultra hard really the correct prohormone product for pfs guys with GABA issues like insomnia, considering it has 375mg of epiandrosterone and 125 androsterone and first one (epi) seems to be some type of GABA antagonist??

Epiandrosterone | C19H30O2 - PubChem (https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Epiandrosterone)

[Mineiro-up]

The formula in androhard was changed in September 2019 and the new stuff is extremely underdosed.
At least that's what Muscle Gelz told me via email.

Why would they do an update 10 times weaker than the latest? Im not telling its a lie, but it doesnt make any sence...in ALL fields.

[Mineiro-up]

I have run 2 cycles of AH (New one) and It didnt seem much effect on me, but on both I didnt ran super over dosed. I intent tô do It around december, like ... 20 pumps a day.

[delsolrob]

Why would they do an update 10 times weaker than the latest? Im not telling its a lie, but it doesnt make any sence...in ALL fields.

I doubt it's 10x weaker, but even at the old profile I thought it was under-dosed

probably reason for lowing dose: rising costs of raw materials - and the fact that China is the source of 99% of all raws and banned Androsterone production. At this time there is a finite amount of androsterone raws available on the market..until another source/country starts pumping out steroid raws in volume, reasonable costs, and high quality.

[stopfin]

I doubt it's 10x weaker, but even at the old profile I thought it was under-dosed

probably reason for lowing dose: rising costs of raw materials - and the fact that China is the source of 99% of all raws and banned Androsterone production. At this time there is a finite amount of androsterone raws available on the market..until another source/country starts pumping out steroid raws in volume, reasonable costs, and high quality.


they told me via mail that the actual andro hard has 50mg epi and 50mg andro per dose..

do you have an idea about the ultra hard and its 375mg of epi androsterone concerning the effect on GABA? I've read somewhere else that epi is Gaba antagonist. maybe that's why my insomnia got even worse on it

[Cdsnuts]

I have run 2 cycles of AH (New one) and It didnt seem much effect on me, but on both I didnt ran super over dosed. I intent tô do It around december, like ... 20 pumps a day.

I'll say this again, as I've said many times before....Using prohormones are only one part of a very large puzzle. You're not going to finish it with PH's alone. You HAVE to make sure that you're doing ALL of the protocol for the prohormones to even help you in the slightest bit.