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BBG
01-09-2013, 09:33 PM
Who here has used insulin? How did you dose it, how were your results... etc.

burlyman30
01-09-2013, 09:35 PM
Who here has used insulin? How did you dose it, how were your results... etc.

Did someone call? Lol

I'll have to think back 22 years and get back to you.

BBG
01-09-2013, 09:37 PM
Did someone call? I'll have to think back 22 years and get back to you.

Tell me about that time you and Milos drank protein shakes at Muscle Beach, theorizing about insulin and its usage in bodybuilding :)

burlyman30
01-09-2013, 09:41 PM
Tell me about that time you and Milos drank protein shakes at Muscle Beach, theorizing about insulin and its usage in bodybuilding :)

Lol. Punk.

I do know that I used it in the off season for appetite stimulation. I'll get a hold of my diabetic buddy that taught me everything I needed to know to do it without dying. He might remember my dosage protocol.

BBG
01-09-2013, 09:46 PM
Lol. Punk.

I do know that I used it in the off season for appetite stimulation. I'll get a hold of my diabetic buddy that taught me everything I needed to know to do it without dying. He might remember my dosage protocol.

Yeah you know I'm just messing around. I'd like to hear how you dosed it, though. I don't know many guys who use or have used it.

burlyman30
01-12-2013, 02:49 AM
Ok... I think I have an answer for you on dosing. I started slowly, since you are not always sure how you will react to a specific dose. I probably started at 4 to 6 IUs to assess tolerance and made sure that I had food close by in case the blood sugar plummeted too fast. Talking with my friend, I think I went up to 10, and maybe as high as 12 IUs.

It worked. It made me very hungry, within just a few minutes. I never injected without food around. Except for once, which was a horrible experience. I THOUGHT there was food around, but the restaurant had closed down and there was nothing else near by. Learned my lesson that day. Let's just say that the people I was with, never hung around me after that. :D

h2s
01-12-2013, 01:20 PM
I am not an insulin user and don't plan to be. However I recommend anyone going down that path have glucose tabs and/or soda within reach. Not sure how many of you are PHF guys, but recently mikern who is a professional in the health industry detailed a close call he had, and this is someone with a better than amateur understanding of insulin in the body. Be prepared and don't be regretful.

BBG
01-12-2013, 01:33 PM
I want to start it up once I'm a few weeks into Trest, or more probably around PCT time.

I've seen reports from reputable guys saying that they actually gained more strength and weight in PCT than on cycle with slin during PCT.

burlyman30
01-12-2013, 03:48 PM
Be prepared and don't be regretful.

Insulin is a compound where, if you do it wrong, you may never wake up in order to be regretful.

BBG
01-12-2013, 04:14 PM
Insulin is a compound where, if you do it wrong, you may never wake up in order to be regretful.

I take my post back.

And I agree with you, it is pretty dangerous and should only be used by those responsible enough and at a level where they really can benefit from it.

Infamy
01-12-2013, 05:12 PM
I've never used it but have a load of humalog in the fridge. To be frank, I probably never will use it because I don't think the reward is worth the risk. Plus my understanding of insulin is that is will pack on weight, but a hell of a lot of fat.

If anyone knows someone who has developed type 1 diabetes will notice how they get fatter once they start the insulin - its not a coincidence.

But going back to the question at hand, I agree with burly, start low. I'd probably start with just 2iu post workout and work up slowly.

I would also have 50g of maltodextrin dissolved in water ready before injecting. I would also inject at home with a friend who is watching you close st hand. Have glucose tabs close at hand too.

So here is how i would do it. Shoot the insulin, drink a protein with high sugar drink straight after. If you start to feel light headed or strange then start chugging down that ready mixed maltodextrin drink and keep going till you stop feeling light headed. Bear in mind that a hypoglycemic coma kicks in real quickly and you get very little chance to react before it happens.

If you can get it, keep a glucagon injection pen on hand with your friend for emergencies.

Before you use insulin consider this though, if you have normal blood sugar regulation, if you drink a high sugar drink your body will naturally release insulin directly in relation to the amount of sugar ingested. But, and here is the key point, if done in this way your body will always be able to cope and you will not slip into a hypoglycemic coma.

So ask yourself this, if you can get a big insulin release safely simply by just drinking a large sugary drink, then is it really worth using insulin?

BBG
01-12-2013, 05:30 PM
I think there are two key strategies with insulin.

1: Using supraphysiological amounts of exogenous insulin with a lot of carbohydrates for maximal mass gains. 10gram per iu for this protocol, or more.

2: Using just physiological (1-2iu doses) or just over that (3-5iu) and trying to mimic a fasted glucose blood level to minimize fat gain (and possibly help with losing fat). In this protocol, you would use 3-7iu per gram, depending on the individual response.

dacookiemonsta
01-14-2013, 09:49 PM
I've never used it but have a load of humalog in the fridge. To be frank, I probably never will use it because I don't think the reward is worth the risk. Plus my understanding of insulin is that is will pack on weight, but a hell of a lot of fat.

If anyone knows someone who has developed type 1 diabetes will notice how they get fatter once they start the insulin - its not a coincidence.

But going back to the question at hand, I agree with burly, start low. I'd probably start with just 2iu post workout and work up slowly.

I would also have 50g of maltodextrin dissolved in water ready before injecting. I would also inject at home with a friend who is watching you close st hand. Have glucose tabs close at hand too.

So here is how i would do it. Shoot the insulin, drink a protein with high sugar drink straight after. If you start to feel light headed or strange then start chugging down that ready mixed maltodextrin drink and keep going till you stop feeling light headed. Bear in mind that a hypoglycemic coma kicks in real quickly and you get very little chance to react before it happens.

If you can get it, keep a glucagon injection pen on hand with your friend for emergencies.

Before you use insulin consider this though, if you have normal blood sugar regulation, if you drink a high sugar drink your body will naturally release insulin directly in relation to the amount of sugar ingested. But, and here is the key point, if done in this way your body will always be able to cope and you will not slip into a hypoglycemic coma.

So ask yourself this, if you can get a big insulin release safely simply by just drinking a large sugary drink, then is it really worth using insulin?

He's still young but my body who was diagnosed with type 1 was at around 170 and 2 years later is still around 170 lbs. He really doesn't have a hard time managing it but he exercises and eats the way he was told to.

But he could always be the exception... It really just doesn't effect his day to day life that much other than the healthier lifestyle choices.

burlyman30
01-14-2013, 11:30 PM
He's still young but my body who was diagnosed with type 1 was at around 170 and 2 years later is still around 170 lbs. He really doesn't have a hard time managing it but he exercises and eats the way he was told to.

But he could always be the exception... It really just doesn't effect his day to day life that much other than the healthier lifestyle choices.

Some guys are able to keep their levels balanced better than others. My bro in law gets a little fatter every year since he was diagnosed 30 years ago. He has a hard time keeping levels balanced all the time, is inactive, and drinks too much.

On the flip side, my friend has maintained his levels very well, exercises regularly, and drinks only lightly on rare occasions. He has a layer of puffy fat on him that he can never get rid of, but overall, he is in great shape and great health. He's maintained this for 25 years.

BigCLS
01-15-2013, 06:37 AM
Id recommend you writing something on your arm the first few times you do it, or when you up your dose as you become more advanced. Ive seen, and heard of guys doing this as a form of CYA just in case you cant make it to your glucose tabs, or a soda so if someone (medics) are able to find you in time they already have a head start. Sorry if that sounds to finite, but you need to be prepared if that situation arises.

Also their is extensive information on Dats forum regarding insulin usage.

markam
01-15-2013, 07:11 AM
Id recommend you writing something on your arm the first few times you do it, or when you up your dose as you become more advanced. Ive seen, and heard of guys doing this as a form of CYA just in case you cant make it to your glucose tabs, or a soda so if someone (medics) are able to find you in time they already have a head start. Sorry if that sounds to finite, but you need to be prepared if that situation arises.

Also their is extensive information on Dats forum regarding insulin usage.

Although using Insulin is something I'd never dabble with, that was excellent advice and may save a life.

h2s
01-15-2013, 07:16 AM
Although using Insulin is something I'd never dabble with, that was excellent advice and may save a life.

The only thing odd to me is how it would work out. If doing preworkout slin, are you going to workout with "insulin user" written across you arm? Or if you are home, will anyone even notice if you had an issue? (Assuming only one home)?

markam
01-15-2013, 07:54 AM
The only thing odd to me is how it would work out. If doing preworkout slin, are you going to workout with "insulin user" written across you arm? Or if you are home, will anyone even notice if you had an issue? (Assuming only one home)?

Maybe use magic ink that you have to shine a UV light on to see it. Ok, maybe not the best idea.

BigCLS
01-15-2013, 10:11 AM
The only thing odd to me is how it would work out. If doing preworkout slin, are you going to workout with "insulin user" written across you arm? Or if you are home, will anyone even notice if you had an issue? (Assuming only one home)?

This is not for every time use, but for first timers, and if your experimenting with your dose.

Write it on the inside of your bicep, or wear a long sleeve shirt the day you decide to do it.

If you become unresponsive ..more than likely the medics will expose you, and hopefully someone will see insulin, and how many iu's you used. Then your current state of unresponsiveness can be addressed properly.

Or have some hack medic not realize you went hypo, and address your unresponsiveness differently.

Its better than fishing in the dark.



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BBG
01-15-2013, 12:54 PM
Screw using insulin preworkout. Imagine if you go hypo in the middle of a lift...

h2s
01-15-2013, 07:38 PM
Screw using insulin preworkout. Imagine if you go hypo in the middle of a lift...

Preworkout insulin is extremely common.

BBG
01-15-2013, 08:37 PM
Preworkout insulin is extremely common.

Yeah but I still wouldn't do it.

Jorsn
01-16-2013, 02:54 AM
Get one of those wristbands like the yellow Live Strong bands except it says "insulin pump" or "diabetic". I've seen people wearing them before.

Scope75
01-16-2013, 09:14 AM
Get one of those wristbands like the yellow Live Strong bands except it says "insulin pump" or "diabetic". I've seen people wearing them before.
That's a great idea, and will keep from letting everyone know.

Eden
01-16-2013, 06:42 PM
Most people I've heard from is Workout - 20 min cardio - 10 IU Humalog, 5 minutes later 70-100g simple carbs, 50-70g protein, 10g creatine, 10g Glutamine.

I know a guy who uses Humalin R, I think he waits a tad longer than 5 minutes post injection to take his shake. From what I understand it helps them get a more full look, the diet is changed too so that gaining fat is harder due to the macros.

Rulk
01-23-2013, 07:36 PM
The risk to reward percentage is too much imo. I'd max out on aas before even entertaining the thought of trying slin. If you have a family history of diabetes, I would most definitely stay away from slin. Just my 2 cents.

nate3993
01-25-2013, 10:04 PM
dam. 10 iu though. that just seems like such a high dose to start at. look at this md article. mr olympia stack


Muscular Development October 2010 By. Dan Gwartney, M.D.

Weeks 16-9:
Anabolics:
Test E - 1600mg/wk
Nandrolone Decanote- 600mg/wk
Tren A - 150mg/wk
Oxandrolone - 20mg/day
HCG - 400iu/wk
hgh - 6iu/day
IGF1 - 80mcg/every other day
Insulin - 6 to 10 iu post workout

Fat Reduction:
Ephedrine/Caffine - 50/400 mg /day
Armour Thyroid Extract - 1.5grains/day
Arimidex - 0.5mg/every other day
Teslac: 50mg/day

Adjunct Drugs:
finastride-2mgs/day
lisinopril - 5mg/day

Weeks 8-3
Test E - 600mgs/wk
Tren A - 150mg/wk
Methenolone enathate - 600mg/wk
stanozolo tabs- 40mg/day
anadriol oral - 240mg/day
hcg - 250iu/wk
hgh: 4iu/day
igf1 - 80mcg/day
insulin 6iu with meal after morning cardio
insulin 6 iu with post workout

Fatloss:
Ephedrine/caffeine - 75/500
Clen - 2tabs/"on day" (2on2off cycle)
armour tyroid extract: 1.25 grains/day
cytomel: 25mcg/day
arimidex: 1mg/day alternate w/ .5mg/day
teslac: 100mgs/day

ajd drugs:
lisinopril 10mgs/day
viagra as needed

week2 - day 4
test e - 200mg (week 2 only)
tren A - 150mg (week 2 only)
win V inject - 100mg/day
methenolone enanthate - 600mg/wk
winstrol oral - 80mg/day
oxandrolone - 20mgs/day
hgh - 3iu/day
insulin: 4 iu with morning meal after cardio
insulin: 4 iu post wokrout

Fatloss
Eph/caf - 75/500 mg/day
clen: 3tabs/day
armour thyroid ext: 1 grain/day
cytomel: 50mcg/day
Arimidex: 1mg/day
teslac 150mg/day

adj drugs
lisinopril: 12.5mg/day

Day 3-0
primo A oral - 250mg/day
winstrol v orial - 50mgs/day
hgh: 2iu/day

Fatloss:
ephedrine/caffine - 50/200 mg/day
clen - 4 tabs/day
arimidex 1mg/day
teslac 150mg/day
cytomel: 100 mcg/day

waterloss
aldactone: 100mg/day
dyazide: 1tab pm (day 1) 1 tab am (day 2)

Site Enhancement;
generally discouraged, use not uncommon

Eden
01-25-2013, 11:09 PM
They didn't start at 10IU, usually it's around 3IU doses for a week, 5IU doses for a week, 7IU doses for a week, 10IU.

Also on the idea of 1.6g Test E a week, I mean that's kinda ridiculous, if you get a 300mg/ml that's like almost 5ml per week, so you would go through a vial every two weeks? It seems that at that level you would just start seeing no more results and a TON of side-effects. Anyone been near there who can confirm?

burlyman30
01-25-2013, 11:24 PM
They didn't start at 10IU, usually it's around 3IU doses for a week, 5IU doses for a week, 7IU doses for a week, 10IU.

Also on the idea of 1.6g Test E a week, I mean that's kinda ridiculous, if you get a 300mg/ml that's like almost 5ml per week, so you would go through a vial every two weeks? It seems that at that level you would just start seeing no more results and a TON of side-effects. Anyone been near there who can confirm?

Agree with all of this. To think a pro was doing 1600mg a week of test while never exceeding 150/wk of tren or 20mg of anavar borders on ridiculous.

h2s
01-26-2013, 02:31 PM
The risk to reward percentage is too much imo. I'd max out on aas before even entertaining the thought of trying slin. If you have a family history of diabetes, I would most definitely stay away from slin. Just my 2 cents.

You can't develop diabetes from insulin usage.

nate3993
01-26-2013, 02:56 PM
You can't develop diabetes from insulin usage.

But can't over use of slin make ur pancreas unable to produce it?

burlyman30
01-26-2013, 07:39 PM
But can't over use of slin make ur pancreas unable to produce it?

It would likely kill you first. Keep in mind that type II diabetics use insulin to assist the pancreas, but don't shut it down.

Matt Porter
02-03-2013, 05:18 AM
First off- insulin has the misconception of increasing hunger, which is opposite as it INCREASES leptin levels (fed signal) and decreases NeuroPeptide-Y (NPY) which is a powerhouse in hunger stimulus.

Now...when blood sugar drops LOW -- you will get hungry or defense mechanisms kick in for craving sugar.

Insulin results....its different for everyone just like anything. I personally do not EXPLODE on it, but I also have just toyed around with it at 8-10-12 units pre workout only.

-Matt

h2s
02-03-2013, 11:15 PM
Good info Matt, nice to see you here btw.