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Rulk
11-05-2012, 11:49 PM
ph's for grappling.. Bad idea or good idea? I want to lift in conjunction with grappling soon and want to recover from both, but also not lose a lot of strength due to the nature of the cardio centric workout that is grappling.

AresTS
11-06-2012, 12:04 AM
Increased recovery + aggression seems win win to me.

Also, doing powerful movements should help translate that strength over into the grappling world nicely : )

- Valdez

Airborne42
11-06-2012, 04:47 AM
As far as a good ph for this as a fighter somethin that helps you keep your weight class but ups strength and aggression. Halotestin. Choice of fighters and powerlifters... The prob is no ph of it :-/

harbonah
11-06-2012, 07:09 AM
Eq-plex would be great if it was still legal increases in endurance... Small weight gain but I'd go with standrol should help with aggression and energy probably won't have to move any weight classes either very little muscle gain at 600-800 mg range. Joints might be a problem though I'd hit the fish oil hard.

AresTS
11-06-2012, 07:52 AM
As far as a good ph for this as a fighter somethin that helps you keep your weight class but ups strength and aggression. Halotestin. Choice of fighters and powerlifters... The prob is no ph of it :-/

Not to mention its one of the most dangerous...

- Valdez

BBG
11-06-2012, 08:09 AM
Probably anything with little to no water retention and that is known for lean, hard gains... 11-oxo/11-kt, stanodrol, epistane, d-plex (maybe).

h2s
11-06-2012, 08:30 AM
Just grab some Cheque Drops. Leave with title belt and your opponent's ear.

Airborne42
11-06-2012, 08:35 AM
11 oxo would be good... Spendy... You would have to run that or Stano at high dose... Might as well go with Epi though for lean dry gains and strength. Great suggestions BBG!
Def right as well Ares. Strong stuff... I'm excited for it on last month of test.

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Just grab some Cheque Drops. Leave with title belt and your opponent's ear.

Funny you said that haha I was gonna say Halotestin or Cheque Drops... Cheap but insane! I'm scared of those studying bout them haha

AresTS
11-06-2012, 08:43 AM
11 oxo would be good... Spendy... You would have to run that or Stano at high dose... Might as well go with Epi though for lean dry gains and strength. Great suggestions BBG!
Def right as well Ares. Strong stuff... I'm excited for it on last month of test.

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Funny you said that haha I was gonna say Halotestin or Cheque Drops... Cheap but insane! I'm scared of those studying bout them haha

You're crazy bud lol... Tyson loves cheque drops!

- Valdez

Airborne42
11-06-2012, 09:25 AM
You're crazy bud lol... Tyson loves cheque drops!

- Valdez

I may be ;-)
Tyson was on CD? That's pretty scary....

BBG
11-06-2012, 09:31 AM
Tyson was just a beast. Iron Mike. His reputation was all he needed. As soon as he lost a match, it was over. No longer unbeatable, he was backed into a corner... had to bite someone's ear off to prove he was still Iron.

Airborne42
11-06-2012, 09:35 AM
Haha pretty sav if you ask me haha poor evander

BBG
11-06-2012, 09:45 AM
Haha pretty sav if you ask me haha poor evander

Definitely. Check this video out: Mike Tyson Highlights - Destroyer In Prime - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FgS3kCv79I)

Airborne42
11-06-2012, 09:47 AM
Will do when I get off work

nate3993
11-06-2012, 10:46 AM
Not to mention its one of the most dangerous...

- Valdez

halotestin one of the most dangerous? how come? i know it's 17aa, but SD seems more dangerous and that was legal at one point.

Rodja
11-06-2012, 10:54 AM
halotestin one of the most dangerous? how come? i know it's 17aa, but SD seems more dangerous and that was legal at one point.

It's very hepatotoxic. It's essentially a pure androgen.

For grappling, something mild that improves recovery would be your best bet. Potent compounds will lower endurance and cause too much of a pump in certain areas. I don't even know what the hell is even out there anymore, but something like epi at 20mg/day would be a good idea.

nate3993
11-06-2012, 11:34 AM
wht about a dht precursor like 1-alpha test. or is that a bad idea?

Rodja
11-06-2012, 11:54 AM
wht about a dht precursor like 1-alpha test. or is that a bad idea?

Don't know what that is.

h2s
11-06-2012, 12:02 PM
Don't know what that is.

dont quote me but I think epiandrosterone.

burlyman30
11-06-2012, 12:05 PM
Just grab some Cheque Drops. Leave with title belt and your opponent's ear.

ROFL. I've done Cheque Drops...

Airborne42
11-06-2012, 12:09 PM
H2S is right
Halo is potent ill be posting a review on it as well
How were the CD burly?

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H2S is right
Halo is potent ill be posting a review on it as well
How were the CD burly?

AresTS
11-06-2012, 12:12 PM
ROFL. I've done Cheque Drops...

So its been you on the news eating fuckers...

- Valdez

AresTS
11-06-2012, 12:13 PM
H2S is right
Halo is potent ill be posting a review on it as well
How were the CD burly?

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H2S is right
Halo is potent ill be posting a review on it as well
How were the CD burly?

What the hell? Updated??? What does that mean/do?

- Valdez

Airborne42
11-06-2012, 12:16 PM
I'm lost

BBG
11-06-2012, 12:18 PM
What the hell? Updated??? What does that mean/do?

- Valdez

- - - Updated - - - just means someone posted twice in a row. It updates the post instead of double posting.

He must have double posted by accident the same post.

AresTS
11-06-2012, 12:22 PM
- - - Updated - - - just means someone posted twice in a row. It updates the post instead of double posting.

He must have double posted by accident the same post.

Oh, thanks man

- Valdez

Airborne42
11-06-2012, 12:57 PM
Ahh haha my bad

burlyman30
11-06-2012, 01:06 PM
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H2S is right
Halo is potent ill be posting a review on it as well
How were the CD burly?

CD were done preworkout only, and hard to tell if they affected my aggression, as I'm naturally that way in the gym. They made my sweat stink really bad, though. All that androgen, coming right out my pores during the workout. It's a weird feeling when you swallow it down... it's "warm".

USN HM 350Z
11-06-2012, 01:06 PM
I think Epi or stano would be good choices. I like Stano myself....

burlyman30
11-06-2012, 01:07 PM
So its been you on the news eating fuckers...

- Valdez

Shhhhh.....

burlyman30
11-06-2012, 01:11 PM
I think Epi or stano would be good choices. I like Stano myself....

Agree with this. Only concern would be the joint stiffness and muscular inflexibility that occurs with time.

ryansm
11-06-2012, 01:32 PM
For grappling, something mild that improves recovery would be your best bet. Potent compounds will lower endurance and cause too much of a pump in certain areas. I don't even know what the hell is even out there anymore, but something like epi at 20mg/day would be a good idea.
^^^This is true with any athletic sport (I guess I should quantitatively define athletic and sport...) anyway go with DHT based hormones and if you want to stay away from methyls any of the stano clones are a good option. I would up my water intake drastically and find ways to help joints out as much as possible though

Rulk
11-06-2012, 03:45 PM
Nice, I may have some epi and I may have some old hard..