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Freepressright
02-04-2013, 10:30 AM
Nutraplanet is running a wicked deal on iForce's Triumph stack.

iForce Nutrition The Tropinol XP Triumph Stack (Bundle Stack): Discount The Tropinol XP Triumph Stack Supplements (http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/iforce-nutrition/the-tropinol-xp-triumph-stack-bundle-stack.html)

You get a full-sized bottle of Intimidate (n-methyl d-aspartic acid) and a full-size bottle of the new Tropinol XP for less than what the cost of one bottle of Intimidate would be. VaughnTrue told me through e-mail that the new Tropinol XP is the most exciting product they've produced since dymethazine. We'll see if it lives up to the hype.

I bought some. It was estimated to ship on Friday, but hasn't yet.

I responded extremely well to Intimidate when I ran it before. I'm hoping the combo will kick ass.

markam
02-04-2013, 10:47 AM
The original Tropinol's main ingredient was a 'special' extract of Bulbine, which they said raised testosterone by 347%. But it's not in Tropinol v2, hmmm. Tropinol v2 main ingredient is Fadioga. What ever happened to Bulbine? Iforce appear to have stopped using it in any of their products. 347% increase in test is meh, apparently.

Thought they would comp you this after all your glowing reviews of intimidate, which, I must point out, I found a very good product.

Freepressright
02-04-2013, 11:29 AM
Yeah, I wrote Vaughn telling him I pulled the trigger on this. If they decide to comp me extra, I'd love them for it. I didn't come out and ask, though.

markam
02-04-2013, 03:11 PM
Thing is, although Iforce do have some great products, they hype them up so much, and to have been saying that Tropinol v1 was in fact superior to DAA and would give a 347% increase in testosterone, then to leave that compound out of Tropinol v2 is laughable, to say the least. Ok, they've improved it, fine, but if the old product was 'that' good, they would keep it in their line, albeit reformulated.
Anyway, it's not that hard to see through the hype, just rather tiring.

longBallLima
02-04-2013, 04:08 PM
thanks for the heads up, i got this :D

and agreed, iForce marketing is ridiculous, border-line muscletech. that being said, i would love a sponsorship from them so i too, can sai my arms grew 89% after i started using protean

Grape Ape
02-04-2013, 04:34 PM
I'm a big fadogia fan for PCT. This doesn't look that impressive though.

nate3993
02-04-2013, 08:33 PM
I'm a big fadogia fan for PCT. This doesn't look that impressive though.

which do you use? what effects do you get?

sandman
02-06-2013, 12:28 PM
wish they had kept the bulbine, thats the most effective test booster on the market today, fadogia is good too but it's not bulbine

nate3993
02-06-2013, 01:03 PM
wish they had kept the bulbine, thats the most effective test booster on the market today, fadogia is good too but it's not bulbine

Which burdine do you use? What effects
Do you get?

sandman
02-07-2013, 09:48 AM
Which burdine do you use? What effects
Do you get?

IronMagLabs Bodybuilding Supplements Prohormones: Ultra Male Rx (http://www.ironmaglabs.com/product-list/ultra-male-rx/)

which has other things in it, but i've used all those before and with the bulbine added is when i noticed a big different between this product and similar products without the bulbine

effects were that libido went up, aggression went up during certain situations, and a nice recomp effect happened

Freepressright
02-14-2013, 12:35 PM
Finally got my package yesterday. It was a non-workout day, so I took two in the morning and two eight hours later. Didn't feel anything yet, obviously. Took Intimidate before bed. Got a good night's sleep, which I do usually.

Hoping that taking both of these test boosters in conjunction with the two servings of ISO-Mass Gainer and lots of food every day will result in some gains. We shall see.

iForce makes some pretty lofty claims about the new product. I hope it comes somewhat close to the hype.

markam
02-14-2013, 01:17 PM
iForce makes some pretty lofty claims about the new product. I hope it comes somewhat close to the hype.

Yep, good luck with that. They also made pretty lofty claims about the previous Tropinol and it's 'special ingredient' which has now been replaced with a different compound in Tropinol v2.

Freepressright
02-14-2013, 01:31 PM
I got both products for less than what one bottle of Intimidate normally costs, so if the Intimidate is genuine, I'll be good to go. I had a fantastic run with it the last time.

longBallLima
02-14-2013, 02:21 PM
got mine yesterday too. was gonna run the intimidate during my pct, should i run both together during the pct?

Freepressright
02-14-2013, 09:52 PM
got mine yesterday too. was gonna run the intimidate during my pct, should i run both together during the pct?

I would, yes.

Freepressright
02-15-2013, 07:49 AM
Yesterday was day 2, and the first day that I had the chance to take the recommended dose of Tropinol XP for workout days. I took all four capsules 60 minutes prior to my workout.

iForce claims in its marketing that you can "feel a surge of testosterone from the first dose." I think that's gimmicky at best because not even a shot of testosterone is going to make you feel a surge of testosterone from the first administration, and moreover, I don't know of any natty that causes an instantaneous 'surge' in test to superhuman levels.

However, they were correct about feeling something. About an hour after taking it, I was slightly more focused and alert and felt a noticeable amount of increased energy, much akin to taking a preworkout or nootropic. It's difficult to explain.

Looking at the ingredients, I don't really see anything on the label that I am familiar with producing this type of effect.

I don't see myself making it to the gym today, so took a non-workout dose this morning, and interestingly enough, it pepped me up just a bit. I feel less groggy this morning than I had been earlier in the week, but Intimidate also improves quality of sleep, and that could be a contributing factor.

I'm wonder if there's a hidden stim in the Tropinol, because claiming that a product is going to shoot up your testosterone from day one just doesn't seem grounded in reality and science.

I can't say I felt any 'stronger' last night in the gym. I went in with a good attitude, and the added energy was nice, but I wasn't breaking PRs or anything. It's still far too early to feel anything like that.

My appetite also was on an upswing last night, now that I think about it. I slammed a 3-scoop serving of ISO-Mass XTreme Gainer after my workout. This normally leaves me not wanting to eat for at least a couple of hours. Last night I was ready to eat a full dinner about 25 minutes after.

I'll have to see if I'm hungry like that consistently through this experience.

I will say, being my second time around with Intimidate, that the improvement in sleep quality is almost instant. I sleep well normally, but this stuff adds some real depth to your sleep that you can notice. It just 'feels' more restful.

VaughnTrue
02-18-2013, 07:45 AM
Yesterday was day 2, and the first day that I had the chance to take the recommended dose of Tropinol XP for workout days. I took all four capsules 60 minutes prior to my workout.

iForce claims in its marketing that you can "feel a surge of testosterone from the first dose." I think that's gimmicky at best because not even a shot of testosterone is going to make you feel a surge of testosterone from the first administration, and moreover, I don't know of any natty that causes an instantaneous 'surge' in test to superhuman levels.

However, they were correct about feeling something. About an hour after taking it, I was slightly more focused and alert and felt a noticeable amount of increased energy, much akin to taking a preworkout or nootropic. It's difficult to explain.

Looking at the ingredients, I don't really see anything on the label that I am familiar with producing this type of effect.

I don't see myself making it to the gym today, so took a non-workout dose this morning, and interestingly enough, it pepped me up just a bit. I feel less groggy this morning than I had been earlier in the week, but Intimidate also improves quality of sleep, and that could be a contributing factor.

I'm wonder if there's a hidden stim in the Tropinol, because claiming that a product is going to shoot up your testosterone from day one just doesn't seem grounded in reality and science.

I can't say I felt any 'stronger' last night in the gym. I went in with a good attitude, and the added energy was nice, but I wasn't breaking PRs or anything. It's still far too early to feel anything like that.

My appetite also was on an upswing last night, now that I think about it. I slammed a 3-scoop serving of ISO-Mass XTreme Gainer after my workout. This normally leaves me not wanting to eat for at least a couple of hours. Last night I was ready to eat a full dinner about 25 minutes after.

I'll have to see if I'm hungry like that consistently through this experience.

I will say, being my second time around with Intimidate, that the improvement in sleep quality is almost instant. I sleep well normally, but this stuff adds some real depth to your sleep that you can notice. It just 'feels' more restful.


Hey guys, new to this board but wanted to come in so I could answer any questions on Tropinol XP as I work with iForce Nutrition and had a large hand in formulating this product.

While our write up may seem off the mark by claiming you can feel the testosterone, it it based on sound science. The high dose of Icariin we included in this product has been shown to act like a testosterone mimetic (thus it is able to interact with your androgen receptors). This means as soon as the dose is digested and into the blood stream, you will notice an immediate difference as you then have all your own testosterone + Icariin binding to and activating androgen receptors, which is what your body uses to signal for growth.

As for a stimulant being included in Tropinol XP, no, there are no stimulants contained at all. Tropinol(the original version) included caffeine, however due to customer demand, Tropinol XP was formulated without any stimulants. What you see on the label is what is in each and every pill.

Another logger right now has also noted increased hunger, however not all loggers are experiencing this.



Really glad to hear you enjoy Intimidate. This stack should treat you very well :). Very excited to see your continued progress. Please let me know if you have any questions on the formula/ingredients or anything else iForce related, as I'd be happy to answer any/all questions.

h2s
02-18-2013, 08:20 AM
Nice to see you around here Vaughn.

VaughnTrue
02-18-2013, 09:36 AM
Nice to see you around here Vaughn.

very happy to be here, thanks!

Freepressright
02-18-2013, 09:47 AM
OK, I can now give a few different reports on the 4-capsule "workout day" dose of Tropinol XP. That focused, hyped up feeling I described the other day, it happens every time. Today is the third time I've taken the workout-day dose. Here is what I've noticed every time, within 30 to 60 minutes:

1. Heightened alertness
2. Feeling more awake
3. An odd calm focus for feeling like I'm ready to tear down walls
4. Aggression, definite aggression, LOL.

Tropinol XP is definitely a product you can feel at the four-capsule dose.

More to follow later.

VaughnTrue
02-18-2013, 10:16 AM
OK, I can now give a few different reports on the 4-capsule "workout day" dose of Tropinol XP. That focused, hyped up feeling I described the other day, it happens every time. Today is the third time I've taken the workout-day dose. Here is what I've noticed every time, within 30 to 60 minutes:

1. Heightened alertness
2. Feeling more awake
3. An odd calm focus for feeling like I'm ready to tear down walls
4. Aggression, definite aggression, LOL.

Tropinol XP is definitely a product you can feel at the four-capsule dose.

More to follow later.


sounds like it's working exactly as we hoped it would :)

nate3993
02-18-2013, 07:05 PM
Aight. Imma bitch. I just wish they would give you a full 30 days worth. Sure they give u 25 days worth, why not just give us the full 30?

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And I'm sure the boners are gonna be insane!!!! Not only does fpr have intimidate, he's got A WHOLE NOTHER T BOOSTER.

VaughnTrue
02-18-2013, 10:10 PM
We'd love to provide a 60 day supply if we could, but to keep the product price competitive(it's a very expensive product to produce) 25 was the max we could do.

Rulk
02-18-2013, 10:46 PM
The added "pep", seems like it would serve well in pct, to kind of keep you in that elevated state of feeling "on". Mind you, I say kind of.. I'm finding it's more mental than anything ( for everything ).

Freepressright
02-19-2013, 08:45 AM
One effect that I neglected to mention was a vasodilation in the ears. I have gotten a case of warm ears each time I've taken it.

The product definitely does something. There isn't any questioning that. You feel it when you take four at a time. I can't wait to see the results at the end of the bottles.

Since this is my second time on Intimidate, I can also compare effects of the first time to this time. Perhaps the most profound thing I felt the first time taking it that had some people calling BS on me and me seriously questioning the placebo effect is the strength improvement. Even with respect to everyday lifting of items, they feel lighter in my hands.

The last time I noted how controlling weight loads was easier, particularly on heavy negatives. This must be an impact the NMDAA has upon the central nervous system. It should be noted that epiandrosterone produces an almost-identical response in me.

Sleep is great on Intimidate and only gets better as time progresses. I'm also starting to notice an added dimension of sexual excitement. I will be curious to see how the two products work alongside my two ISO-Mass gainer shakes.

Freepressright
02-20-2013, 07:47 AM
Yesterday was the first day that I can definitely say something with these products was truly in play during my workout. I've commented the past few posts on the stimulant-like energy, focus and vasodilation I've been experiencing on days that I do the four-capsule pre-workout dose, but yesterday was the first day that I could feel a notable increase with respect to intra-workout stamina.

I squatted yesterday, among other things. And the one thing I would note that was most pronounced was how quickly I recovered between sets and couldn't wait to get back in the rack to do another. I was also extremely controlled, squatting deeply every time without much effort or thinking about it and pushing very aggressively.

Now, the one thing I haven't commented on yet, but I'm going to today, is the aggression. I have really had to work to keep my temper in check after taking the workout-day dose. In fact, I've felt like I could throw down in a fist fight over things. In fact, I took a four-capsule dose before a band gig this weekend, and a situation erupted that caused me to boil over on a man who was taunting my girlfriend on the dance floor. Let's just say I handled him very quickly.

I could see this supplement as being great as a PWO for martial arts competitions. The aggression and focus is quite incredible. It's almost like having evil in a pill if you don't know what to do with the added aggression.

I wonder if any of the other loggers have noticed anything like this.

markam
02-20-2013, 12:35 PM
Would be great if Vaughn could get the Intimidate/Tropinol deal happening at Predator.

VaughnTrue
02-20-2013, 01:19 PM
Ill pass on the word and see if its a possibility!

Freepressright
02-22-2013, 09:00 AM
Last night was an odd night at the gym. I took my four-capsule dose of Tropinol XP about an hour before getting there. I noticed I was starting to feel hungry on the ride there. Walking in, I walked past the snack bar and just about everything in sight was calling my name. I did my best to ignore it.

As I was waiting for an available bar and weights to deadlift with, my hunger became overwhelming. I continued to ignore it.

After one set of deadlifts, I began to feel hypoglycemic. My palms were sweating and I started to get the shakes. Long story short, it was hell to get through last night's workout. Not only did I feel hungry enough to eat the ass out of a cow without first wiping it, but it zapped my workout energy.

Bummer.

I got home and buzzed up a 940-calorie ISO-Mass gainer shake and downed it in less than a minute. It took forever for me to get over the hunger. I'm going to have to take a granola bar or something else with me in case this happens again. It was not a pleasant experience.

In other news related to the Tropinol XP and Intimidate, one day after praising the acne remission from Sustain Alpha treatments, I found that I'm starting to break out on my upper back and shoulders. It figures, since I'd been talking about how I've been acne free all this time, these compounds would elevate my test enough to cause some acne.

The good news is that there were only about five zits in total and they were not large or cystic. So, I did what I would normally do with the knowledge and resources I have at my disposal: I grabbed my tube of Sustain Alpha Gel that I've been holding onto and applied it to the affected areas. Hopefully that will help keep it at bay.

The appearance of acne is also kind of reassuring, though. It means that hopefully these products are doing what they're supposed to do.

VaughnTrue
02-26-2013, 02:14 PM
big bump!

Freepressright
02-26-2013, 04:59 PM
Last night was a late night for me. I'm putting together a new band and we hit an open jam night up north to try to get a booking at a bar. Unfortunately, this bar allowed smoking, which sent my sinuses haywire.

I awoke this morning with a stuffed up right nostril and blowing snot left and right. I suffered congestion all day today, until I took Tropinol XP. Call me crazy, but I have been noticing lately that after I take it, it almost acts like a bronchodilator. My breathing is much deeper, smoother and more relaxed. Today, it eradicated my nasal congestion.

Strange, I know.

My mind instantly went back to stims. A lot of PWO stimulants are related in some way to nasal decongestants, but then I remembered that Vaughn says this is a stimulant-free formula.

My erection quality has been hit or miss lately, which puzzles me to a degree. This product is heavily reliant on icariin, and it has always been said that icariin is the most potent natural PDE5 inhibitor on the market. This problem was exacerbated by a few days of Sustain Alpha that I had to apply for some acne starting on my back.

I'd like to know what estrogen-combating properties Tropinol XP might have, because when combined with the Sustain Alpha, I started to get that crushed sex drive feel. A couple days off of the SA and I'm back to normal and feeling good.

It is odd, though, that my sexual excitement and interest is heightened, but not necessarily the performance.

But the huge upside to this combo is the strength increase. I feel very controlled and everyday objects feel so much lighter to me than normal. This, once again, I would have to say is a CNS effect, most likely from the Intimidate.

Speaking of Intimidate, it is causing me some wickedly vivid dreams. Lately I've been having a lot of really detailed zombie apocalypse dreams (no joke). It's freaky how realistic they are. I can only presume that my love for the Walking Dead on AMC is to blame for these, but the detail is pretty neat.

For less than $40, this is a pretty cool stack. I was just hoping for more of a porn-star experience.

longBallLima
02-26-2013, 05:17 PM
It is odd, though, that my sexual excitement and interest is heightened, but not necessarily the performance.



reminds me of the Patrice O'Neal bit on how his age is transforming his hornyness into creepyness. He can just watch girls trying shoes at the footlocker with a creepy face and he's good. No need for actual sex LOL

Freepressright
03-01-2013, 10:43 AM
I've been down with a serious sinus bug and haven't been to the gym since Tuesday. I don't know if it was the night I spent in cigarette smoke or exposure to a bug. Either way, it sucks.

I've continued taking the Tropinol XP and Intimidate as recommended by the label. I feel I should speak up now about the temper flare-ups I've been experiencing.

I don't know what in the Tropinol XP is responsible, but on days I've taken the four-capsule dose, I have to work really damn hard to keep my temper in check. I've been pushed to the brink of violent reactions to stress, and it isn't like me at all. When I took Ultradrol at 16mg per day with AndroEnhance was the only other time I have felt this temperamental from something. And this is worse than UD/AE.

With UD and AE, I was more emotional and overthinking things. This stuff, I'm thrown into a rage.

Again, now that I've experienced it a few times, I know how to better keep it in check. But it's there and it happens every time I take the four-capsule dose.

VaughnTrue
03-01-2013, 12:28 PM
sounds like your testosterone is truly spiking into extremely high levels after your 4 capsule dose. The testosterone mimetic properties of icariin + the androgen receptor sensitivity action of 25-R is becoming very apparent it'd seem.

markam
03-01-2013, 12:33 PM
Hi Vaughn, any luck sorting that deal with Predator?

VaughnTrue
03-01-2013, 01:03 PM
Hi Vaughn, any luck sorting that deal with Predator?

not yet unfortunately. I have been out of the office for almost 2 weeks due to the birth of my son and some emergency medical issues with another family member. doing my best

Freepressright
03-01-2013, 01:11 PM
sounds like your testosterone is truly spiking into extremely high levels after your 4 capsule dose. The testosterone mimetic properties of icariin + the androgen receptor sensitivity action of 25-R is becoming very apparent it'd seem.

I think I need a second Triumph stack to find out ;)

But seriously, Vaughn, it's doing something, and it's a powerful kind of something.

markam
03-01-2013, 03:19 PM
not yet unfortunately. I have been out of the office for almost 2 weeks due to the birth of my son and some emergency medical issues with another family member. doing my best

Ok, well congrats re your son. Now the fun really starts:)

VaughnTrue
03-02-2013, 08:07 PM
I think I need a second Triumph stack to find out ;)

But seriously, Vaughn, it's doing something, and it's a powerful kind of something.


Really really glad to hear it man. Nothing more rewarding than seeing a formula you helped work on for months upon months upon months receive such great praise

Freepressright
03-04-2013, 09:50 AM
So far I can say with absolute assurance that Tropinol XP, taken at the 4-capsule dose, will jack you up to a level of aggression that, to this point in my lifting, is unrivaled by any PWO I've ever taken.

HOWEVER, there are a couple of downsides I've been grappling with and trying to figure out.

1. The anger issues are one of them. I was really struggling with this at first. Now that I know about it, I'm better able to keep it in check and channel it.

2. Erectile function is definitely impaired while on this stack, and I don't know whether to blame the Intimidate or the Tropinol. One theory I have is that the Intimidate may be spiking my prolactin levels. I want to have sex, but my boners don't have the staying power they usually do. I find myself going half flaccid and then having to really concentrate to get it back. The strength and potency I usually have isn't there.

The other theory is that maybe the Tropinol XP is tanking my estrogen levels in some way, although I am not aware of any of its ingredients being known to do that.

My short-term solution is going to be to add P5P, dosed 3x daily and maca. This will help keep prolactin down and provide some hormone stability, so as not to tank my E2 levels.

Anyone else care to theorize on this anomaly?

VaughnTrue
03-04-2013, 10:09 AM
You're the only user so far who has noted any erectile issues...the exact opposite SHOULD be happening. Really not sure why you would be experiencing that at all.

The dose of Icariin all on its own should provide epic wood.

Freepressright
03-04-2013, 10:31 AM
That's what I thought.

I have read, though, about DAA causing a spike in prolactin. Prolactin, as most of us know, is released as the "I'm sexually satisfied now/already" chemical. If DAA does in fact cause prolactin to go up, that could be part of it.

VaughnTrue
03-07-2013, 05:18 PM
Hi Vaughn, any luck sorting that deal with Predator?

Deal is live :)

markam
03-07-2013, 05:41 PM
Deal is live :)

Thanks Vaughn. I saw the deal earlier today and bought two!

Would like to know the amounts of the compounds in the 'proprietary formula' though.
Might stack Tropinol with some Testofen, should be interesting:)

VaughnTrue
03-07-2013, 06:07 PM
Only ingredient I can disclose is potassium nitrate at 150mg/capsule. Otherwise it wouldn't be proprietary :)

Freepressright
03-08-2013, 10:30 AM
Thanks Vaughn. I saw the deal earlier today and bought two!

Would like to know the amounts of the compounds in the 'proprietary formula' though.
Might stack Tropinol with some Testofen, should be interesting:)

Watch your prolactin, as Testofen can raise it. It is also believed that DAA does as well in some people. Grab some Inhibit-P if you're going to do that.

markam
03-08-2013, 11:36 AM
Watch your prolactin, as Testofen can raise it. It is also believed that DAA does as well in some people. Grab some Inhibit-P if you're going to do that.

Yep, I had heard that, but I'll be using Bromo so it shouldn't be a concern, should it? Heard good things about Black Lion Research 'Prolactrone', said to be better than Inhibit-P. Don't know as I haven't tried either, just a FYI.

Freepressright
03-08-2013, 01:10 PM
I don't have any firsthand experience with either anti-prolactin product, but I can tell you that I feel as though my prolactin rises when on Testofen.

VW30
03-08-2013, 08:37 PM
So far I can say with absolute assurance that Tropinol XP, taken at the 4-capsule dose, will jack you up to a level of aggression that, to this point in my lifting, is unrivaled by any PWO I've ever taken.

HOWEVER, there are a couple of downsides I've been grappling with and trying to figure out.

1. The anger issues are one of them. I was really struggling with this at first. Now that I know about it, I'm better able to keep it in check and channel it.

2. Erectile function is definitely impaired while on this stack, and I don't know whether to blame the Intimidate or the Tropinol. One theory I have is that the Intimidate may be spiking my prolactin levels. I want to have sex, but my boners don't have the staying power they usually do. I find myself going half flaccid and then having to really concentrate to get it back. The strength and potency I usually have isn't there.

The other theory is that maybe the Tropinol XP is tanking my estrogen levels in some way, although I am not aware of any of its ingredients being known to do that.

My short-term solution is going to be to add P5P, dosed 3x daily and maca. This will help keep prolactin down and provide some hormone stability, so as not to tank my E2 levels.

Anyone else care to theorize on this anomaly?

@freepressright great info and feedback. Question did you ever take the 1st tropinol? If so with what? And as far as aggression. Are u already amped or are you laid back? Thanks in advance.

Freepressright
03-11-2013, 06:33 AM
@freepressright great info and feedback. Question did you ever take the 1st tropinol? If so with what? And as far as aggression. Are u already amped or are you laid back? Thanks in advance.

Never took the first Tropinol. Normally, I'm very laid back. The Tropinol, for me, exacerbates an enraged reaction to stressful events. I really have to work to keep it in check.

Freepressright
03-20-2013, 12:57 PM
FINAL ASSESSMENT OF THE TRIUMPH STACK:

I submit to you my final thoughts...

I can say with certainty that this stack has provided exceptional increases in strength and endurance. I was wrenching 55-pound dumbbell curls at the end of the cycle, which I haven't done in two years, and my squat went back up to 335 with a relative amount of ease.

This is my second time running the Intimidate, and people were calling bullshit on me at PP when I claimed that it gave PH-like strength increases. I was even wondering if I was being truthful with myself. But history repeated itself on the Triumph stack and the strength came back. Even playing guitar at shows, my fretting hand felt stronger and more stable.

I credit the CNS stimulation of the Intimidate for most of this.

Besides the strength increases, I had great sleep quality, slight leaning, an increase in acne, slightly oilier skin and felt more alpha.

Now, for the downside (literally).

I have serious reason to believe that the Intimidate elevated my prolactin levels. Reason being, I had a reasonably concerning amount of erectile issues while taking it. I WANTED to have sex, but maintaining a good quality erection was tough.

This is NOT normal for me.

I took a couple days off of the Intimidate and the erectile function improved. Got back on it, and it went to hell. I know it wasn't the Tropinol XP because I tested for a few days just taking it and everything was fine.

Even a PDE5 inhibitor won't help when prolactin increases, and studies suggest that DAA raises it.

Moral of the story, next time I will buy Prolactrone by Black Lion Research and won't have this problem, hopefully.

As far as the Tropinol XP is concerned... dynamite stuff. Aggression and power is off the charts. This stuff blows any pre-workout supplement out of the water, without even an inkling of the jitters. But you must be careful, as it will exacerbate a short temper like it's no one's business.

I'd buy this stack again, with the right precautions for prolactin.

And in case anyone is wondering, iForce did NOT give me the product. I bought it at Nutraplanet. Although it would be awesome if they'd comp me one, seeing as I sold so much Intimidate for them the first time around with my PP log :)

longBallLima
03-20-2013, 01:11 PM
great info FPR!

now, question to you and Vaugh: I have a stack. Should I run both WITH my PCT, after my PCT? what do you guys suggest here?

Clomid for PCT BTW

Freepressright
03-20-2013, 01:17 PM
If it were me, I would run them WITH PCT.

longBallLima
03-20-2013, 01:28 PM
If it were me, I would run them WITH PCT.

sweet. the original plan was to use the intimidate anyway, then nutra had the stack sale thingie, so i picked it up.

seems like Clomid might raise prolactin as well. Something to keep Prolactin is in order here too? What do you guys like for that?

Rulk
03-20-2013, 05:55 PM
I'm gonna jump on that nutra deal, you got me sold FPR. I'll run this with Powerfull to combat the prolactin, otherwise I will look into what you mentioned, "Prolactrone".

sandman
03-20-2013, 06:35 PM
Interesting that the Tropinol couldn't offset the Intimidate in terms of erectile stamina. Nice review

Freepressright
03-20-2013, 06:40 PM
Interesting that the Tropinol couldn't offset the Intimidate in terms of erectile stamina. Nice review

Thank you. I wish it would have.

What's more, is that I tried sildenafil a couple of times to offset it, and it's almost like the effect of the Intimidate blocked its potency. It was strange, to say the least. I figured that a high concentration of icariin would have done the trick.

But I had elevated prolactin after a cycle once and was non-responsive to PDE5s. Prolactin is a very strange and very powerful, unwanted hormone.

VaughnTrue
03-22-2013, 11:13 AM
sorry I haven't been in this log in so long...but glad I came back and checked out this epic final review!


Very interesting to hear about the ED issues with Intimidate, most users report the exact opposite. You could try stacking them with LiGHts Out next time, which includes a ridiculously high dose of L-Dopa which very effectively counteracts prolactin.

Freepressright
03-22-2013, 12:00 PM
Like I said before, this stack was so effective, I wouldn't hesitate to run it again, but I will be wise and take precautions to offset the prolactin.

Prolactin-related sides with DAA are strange in the way they pick and choose who to affect. I tend to respond differently than a lot of people to a lot of non-hormonal anabolics. Anything that blocks estrogen, for example, is a death threat to my E2 levels and I end up with zero interest in sex, dry joints and I'm a total dickhead.

In any event, I highly recommend this stack and will be acquiring it again.

Rulk
03-22-2013, 08:59 PM
sorry I haven't been in this log in so long...but glad I came back and checked out this epic final review!


Very interesting to hear about the ED issues with Intimidate, most users report the exact opposite. You could try stacking them with LiGHts Out next time, which includes a ridiculously high dose of L-Dopa which very effectively counteracts prolactin.

I saw that looking over at nutra. Only 4 left it says.