Erection issues?

[tallstraw]

Before I ever did my first cycle of Hdrol a year ago, I could get hard, stay hard, and continue to stay hard for atleast 2-3 solid rounds, with onyl a slight percentage in loss of firmness after each successful climax. Until I needed that refractory after round 2-3 lol. Well, ever since, I haven't really had the same quality downstairs. Always an 80-90%, but never rocking the 100% like I always did before. I thought I was good after my last torem PCT. It wasn't crazy good, and I didn't feel back 100%. But my quality of life was pretty good. I thought I fully understood the principles of PCT. But was unaware of all the floating estrogen in your body when you take a serm. I never put 2 and 2 together.(Dumb me, I know). So I always used just a SERM, and cortisol controller. This time I ordered some Dragon Exem, and have been running 10mg ED, instead of the 25mg EOD or E3D. I am no longer tired that often like I was previously(which is why I believed I had a failed PCT, and low test), and my numbers on the weights are starting to increase again, with this GVT style I'm doing. So I figured the exem halped my test.

But last night with the chick I like, I had a freak ejaculation out of now where like 10 minutes in(lol), finished her off with the remaining erection I had in those 30seconds before I went soft....Then I took FOREVER to get back to 70% again, and would go soft with any break in action, like taking the time to put a condom on(all of 5 secs?), and go soft during sex itself, was barely able to hold out for 1 5 min stint to finish her again. I know I should get bloodwork post pct, and I mean to soon, this is probably exactly what I needed to kick my ass to go get it. But I'm wondering is it likely that my estrogen has been tanked, and that why I'm having erection problems? I was definitely higher estrogen before I started it. By face was showing it. Once I jumped on the Exem, it stopped, and thinned back out. But now my erection trouble is bothering, I'm trying to catch it before it's actually a real problem.Would I be better off trying 10mg EOD? This isn't a pressing issue, I can still get hard enough, and last a round, which is always long enough to get her off, but I wanna get back to the leg shaking, vagina hurting ability for hours on end I had before. Since I don't particularly remember this being an issue a few weeks back. I'll try and get some bloodwork this weekend.

Long story short, maybe the storys are correct, and I shouldn't have been stupid and did hdrol, or any of what I've done. But oh well, you live and you learn. Taking this year off, or atleast that's the plan.

Is there any natural stuff you guys can think of, or should I just go nab some blue pills for free at Madigan in the meantime?

[tallstraw]

Where was that thing, for cheap bloodwork, I know h2s found it before on PP forums.

[Freepressright]

Bottom line: You need bloodwork before determining anything for sure.

In the meantime, some P5P, maca and an L-Dopa supplement should provide some symptomatic relief and get you feeling more excited. PDE-5 inhibitors are also OK to use to get you through situations like this. Now that you're thinking about it, and worrying about it, the likelihood psychological ED will be in play is huge. You need a few 100% sessions to get your confidence back.

[tallstraw]

I'm honestly not worrying about it too heavily. That's why I'm trying to get it figured out now. Before it does cause a problem. I just need to find that page about cheap bloodwork. I know it will now be in my head, because it has been before. But I'm not tooooo worried about it. I just don't wanna wait forever to get back into round 2. I wanna fuck, throw the rubber away, and get back down to business like I did before. Hopefully if I can find that cheap bloodwork page. Ill have it done this weekend. Ill sstop taking the exem in the meantime, see if I notice a difference within the next few days. It's already been 24hrs since my last dose.

[Coolazice]

Where was that thing, for cheap bloodwork, I know h2s found it before on PP forums.

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[tallstraw]

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Thanks much. Ill see if I can get it done today.
When is the best time to go, hormonally speaking. I feel like morning would be the highest levels. But no the most accurate per-say. I feel like afternoon, which would correlate to how I actually am dring the day.

[Coolazice]

Thanks much. Ill see if I can get it done today.
When is the best time to go, hormonally speaking. I feel like morning would be the highest levels. But no the most accurate per-say. I feel like afternoon, which would correlate to how I actually am dring the day.

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[tallstraw]

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[Coolazice]

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[nate3993]

taking the exemestane is gonna have skewed ur results. to get a test right now isn't gonna show you how you are in your natural state.

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i'm sure j will say the same. u need to wait bfor u get a test. how long? not sure. month minimum. maybe longer

[Jelisej]

You need to be off any medication that has an effect on hormones for a while to get proper results, we are talking for at least 8-9, or even week-or-two more after cesation of SERMS.
Otherwise you'll end up self-medicating based on wrong test results, and it will not work well which will add more to your woes, and once you start thinking too much about sex/performance- its all over.
Stop playing that macho bullshit, and dont waste money... And who says that after one round you need to start another straight away?... Introduce some foreplay which will be of great help to you- and your lady will like it.

From Kinsey institute:
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[Fat Bill Dwyer]

If you can get V for free do it, but they might give you more trouble than you would like at Madigan. If you're young enough you can probably just ride it out by not taking hormonals for a few months. Shouldn't take too long.

IMHO you should consider this a challenge from your body to hook up with more attractive young ladies. 9+ only.

[tallstraw]

If you can get V for free do it, but they might give you more trouble than you would like at Madigan. If you're young enough you can probably just ride it out by not taking hormonals for a few months. Shouldn't take too long.

IMHO you should consider this a challenge from your body to hook up with more attractive young ladies. 9+ only.

This girl I like, as in actually like, Noel. Is a solid 9 bro. Like really hard 9. Which is why I'm addressing this now. May nab some viagra just incase anything happens lol...crush it up in powder, if I ever need a boost, take a key bump...INSTANT BONER!! lol

Jelisj, what macho bullshit? I appreciate the hormonal help, honestly. It is greatly appreciated. I was hoping you'd chime in, but please. There is no macho bullshit, there's me, and me getting back to what I was before I ever cycled [sexually speaking]. If that's macho, then that's you saying it, not me. I definitely last longer than 10 mins. But it's only a strong erection(90%) for my first round sometimes, whether I've jerked off or not that day. I used to be able to go, take off the rubber, throw it out and repeat. No intermittent play needed. I assure you I'm good in thr bedroom category, anyone could be better, but I'm getting the job done greatly by feedback with most women. Don't talk down to me like I'm an inncoent inexperienced child, please. I give plenty of fun and foreplay outside of intercourse. But I'm a dominant, primal person in bed, which was always great, that I could have the ability to go and go and go. The added mass I've gotten I wouldn't take back from these hormones. But I miss how I was before. I have nothing to prove to any of you. I was giving you what I thought was pertinent info, from how I used to be, to how I am now. The bit I wrote about freak ejaculation was for laughs, I try to never be to serious....



....Other than right now lol

[nate3993]

This girl I like, as in actually like, Noel. Is a solid 9 bro. Like really hard 9. Which is why I'm addressing this now. May nab some viagra just incase anything happens lol...crush it up in powder, if I ever need a boost, take a key bump...INSTANT BONER!! lol

Jelisj, what macho bullshit? I appreciate the hormonal help, honestly. It is greatly appreciated. I was hoping you'd chime in, but please. There is no macho bullshit, there's me, and me getting back to what I was before I ever cycled [sexually speaking]. If that's macho, then that's you saying it, not me. I definitely last longer than 10 mins. But it's only a strong erection(90%) for my first round sometimes, whether I've jerked off or not that day. I used to be able to go, take off the rubber, throw it out and repeat. No intermittent play needed. I assure you I'm good in thr bedroom category, anyone could be better, but I'm getting the job done greatly by feedback with most women. Don't talk down to me like I'm an inncoent inexperienced child, please. I give plenty of fun and foreplay outside of intercourse. But I'm a dominant, primal person in bed, which was always great, that I could have the ability to go and go and go. The added mass I've gotten I wouldn't take back from these hormones. But I miss how I was before. I have nothing to prove to any of you. I was giving you what I thought was pertinent info, from how I used to be, to how I am now. The bit I wrote about freak ejaculation was for laughs, I try to never be to serious....



....Other than right now lol

Dam. Did it get hot in here, or is it just me? ;)

[xxiv]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HqY9Ie74v8

lay off the sups and focus on laying the pipe.

[milehighguy]

LOL...right on target

[tallstraw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HqY9Ie74v8
lay off the sups and focus on laying the pipe.

That's the overall concept I'm grasping. Get off the shit and stop putting so much stock in them.

[Jelisej]

First you need to get of any hormonal supplements, than second its question of your lifestyle- maybe you are overtraining and need to adjust your training regimen, get enough sleep. And on top of that- you worry too much of you erections which is not helping.
And when men falls in love it sometimes has bit negative effect on libido/EQ- so maybe there is bit of that?
Other than that there is that process called "ageing"- older person gets its harder to stimulate brain thats why older folks like kinky stuff...
If you read statistics from my previous post- you'll see that you're better of than overwhelming majority.

P.S.: I would like to fuck Jennifer Morrison, but its not going to happen.

[tallstraw]

First you need to get of any hormonal supplements, than second its question of your lifestyle- maybe you are overtraining and need to adjust your training regimen, get enough sleep. And on top of that- you worry too much of you erections which is not helping.
And when men falls in love it sometimes has bit negative effect on libido/EQ- so maybe there is bit of that?
Other than that there is that process called "ageing"- older person gets its harder to stimulate brain thats why older folks like kinky stuff...
If you read statistics from my previous post- you'll see that you're better of than overwhelming majority.

P.S.: I would like to fuck Jennifer Morrison, but its not going to happen.

Ohhh, I thought you were saying I was lying, and to cut the BS and the statistics were to prove it. I'm done with hormonals fro this year. I was just meaning AAS. But I'll stop all that. Just stick with Con-cret, and food -_________-

Lets see how I do this year lol. Last night was a go, took her out to dinner, and liad it out just fine, really strong(905). So I'm feeling good. Thanks for the hel[ guys.

[Freepressright]

I've been dating a 36-year-old, formerly deprived housewife. She lived with a husband who gave her a regular sex life for about the first year they were together. She was lucky to get it four or five times a year thereafter. She's an absolute nympho. We fuck sometimes five or more times a day. And we never miss a day. I'm 31 years old.

I love sex and so does she. There is no shame in being primal, dominant or feeling like you MUST have sex and MUST perform. To me, fuggin' is mandatory. There is no two ways about it.

You need to lay off of hormonals for now and get a blood test. In the meantime, if you need the help of some Viagra or Cialis, grab it without hesitation. No person should ever have to compromise their sex drive or libido, and no man or woman should ever have to live with the pitfalls of a partner's sexual dysfunction, love or no love. There is always a solution, or many ways to try to fix these issues.

[longBallLima]

I've been dating a 36-year-old, formerly deprived housewife. She lived with a husband who gave her a regular sex life for about the first year they were together. She was lucky to get it four or five times a year thereafter. She's an absolute nympho. We fuck sometimes five or more times a day. And we never miss a day. I'm 31 years old.

I love sex and so does she. There is no shame in being primal, dominant or feeling like you MUST have sex and MUST perform. To me, fuggin' is mandatory. There is no two ways about it.

You need to lay off of hormonals for now and get a blood test. In the meantime, if you need the help of some Viagra or Cialis, grab it without hesitation. No person should ever have to compromise their sex drive or libido, and no man or woman should ever have to live with the pitfalls of a partner's sexual dysfunction, love or no love. There is always a solution, or many ways to try to fix these issues.

i disagree with this, me and my wife are young enough that that is not an issue, but i hope when im in my 50/60s and have some issue that prevents me from getting it going for a month, my wife doesn't leave me and i hope i wouldn't be so shallow as to leave her. burly's TRT logs is what first got me thinking about this and i admire his marriage moving forward despite his current health treatments (i hope this is not out of line, burly)

[Jelisej]

I would say that sex is very personal thing, different people have different desires, habits etc...
What is normal for one is not normal for another person. And things are going down a bit with age, but then thats normal, and one side always have lower libido than other but if people are right thats not an issue.
If two people are connected just by sex- I would say thats very shallow relationship.
IMO sex is not an olyimpic sports and I dont have to compete with anyone and to reach certain goals.
Sometime after 21 (more-less) guys have some reduction in libido/erection quality but if they start viagra.... macca.... etc at that age they will become mentaly insecure and dependent on supps... and when you doubting yourself- thats worst thing.

its always best to find person with similar libido, sometimes guys marry much younger women and then they turn into clowns to keep their prize happy. Also sometimes "normal" guys merry one of those women who are jumping from cock to cock, and they end up feeding the biscuits...
Majority of women have a dip in libido as well sometime after 30, so if someone libido is low you can better date one of those, rather than getting dissapointed all the time.

Well, thats my 0.02...

[tallstraw]

Nah, I have a high libido, and can normally go for a while. I think it was the exemstane just crushed my estro. But who knows. I'll get a bloodtest next weekend, since you think that would be a much better test of my value ranges to help us figure this out. Starting monday, it's all steaks, chicken,rice, green beans and broccoli. 2013 was supposed to be my year, but I've been side tracked by partying and slaying randos. I'm gonna drop the partying. Pick up some creatine after my blood test and get on good nutrition and exercise. No excuses. By putting it inwriting, I'm gonna make sure I stick to it, because I know you guys will hound me, and not let me slack or live it down if I do.

I had a really good night of sex last night. So I'm very sure I'm fine. Just a random occurance I freaked out about too much. But I'm just trying to catch it early and stay ontop of it so it doesn't become a problem. I'll update this, once I get a bloodtest, and we'll see what to do from there.

[longBallLima]

so, one is to assume you "do sex whenever you want"?

lol


this is getting ippy-like

[Freepressright]

i disagree with this, me and my wife are young enough that that is not an issue, but i hope when im in my 50/60s and have some issue that prevents me from getting it going for a month, my wife doesn't leave me and i hope i wouldn't be so shallow as to leave her. burly's TRT logs is what first got me thinking about this and i admire his marriage moving forward despite his current health treatments (i hope this is not out of line, burly)

No, the problem is that far too many people undervalue sex, and many don't know what good sex is because they've never had it. Once you find it, there is no going back from it.

I would go to the ends of the earth to fix a sexual dysfunction issue, because a healthy sex life is important, essential rather, to a healthy marriage or relationship. If you can have a rocking sex life, it provides a wide range of benefits beyond just the sex. To play the "that's shallow" card is utter bullshit.

I love my girlfriend. We connect on far more than just our sexuality, but we're so much alike in it and we both have been through partners who went stale on us and REFUSED, yes REFUSED to do anything about it. We suffered for years at the behest of a partner who lost interest and REFUSED to search for a solution.

I was always the bad guy with my wife when I'd raise the issue of her loss of interest. She was never willing to honestly and openly discuss it. It became a major issue that pitted us against each other in the end. My girlfriend prior to that was a sex kitten, until domestication, and then she died on the vine in that sense.

I'd have been able to live with it much more easily had they given a flying fuck enough to look into what was wrong instead of dismissing it and acting like it was something I just had to live with. And don't think I didn't go to the ends of the earth in search of solutions aside from them taking initiative. I got tired of the rejection, and it ended the relationships.

Sex is incredibly important to my girlfriend, and if that means I have to have a Viagra infusion pump installed in my ass to keep my dick working to keep her happy, it's worth it. She has pledged the same to me.

If one of us falls ill and we're physically unable, that's something entirely different. But we're at least willing, for each other, to search hard for solutions.

/END RANT

[Jelisej]

Tiredness does affect both libido and erection quality, so if (tallstraw) is training much harder this year as I asume by his post that could affect it, add party and alcohol. Alcohol increase estrogen (as liver stops clearing E2 in order to get alcohol out of system), exemestane obviously lowers E2- so there are few factors that could be improved.
If you were tired for a while after your cycle/PCT it does not mean your hormones have not recovered, tiredness is side-effect of almost anything. Any vitamin and mineral deficency will cause tiredness. Milion other things...
Your bloodworks next week will not show how your usual hormone levels look like, it will show how your levels look like 7 days after you stop using exemestane. And there is whole process that happens after cesation of any hormonal meds.
Using any hormonal supp is like throwing a rock into water- water goes here-and-there in waves couple times, each time with less intensity till it eventually settles down.

[tallstraw]

How long would you recommend I stay away then? You said 8-9 before, but never gave a unit of measurement.


Longball, I hope you didn't mean me. I pray to God I never sound or get close to Ippy level. If I do, I need a reality check.

[Jelisej]

8 weeks.

[longBallLima]

No, the problem is that far too many people undervalue sex, and many don't know what good sex is because they've never had it. Once you find it, there is no going back from it.

I would go to the ends of the earth to fix a sexual dysfunction issue, because a healthy sex life is important, essential rather, to a healthy marriage or relationship. If you can have a rocking sex life, it provides a wide range of benefits beyond just the sex. To play the "that's shallow" card is utter bullshit.

I love my girlfriend. We connect on far more than just our sexuality, but we're so much alike in it and we both have been through partners who went stale on us and REFUSED, yes REFUSED to do anything about it. We suffered for years at the behest of a partner who lost interest and REFUSED to search for a solution.

I was always the bad guy with my wife when I'd raise the issue of her loss of interest. She was never willing to honestly and openly discuss it. It became a major issue that pitted us against each other in the end. My girlfriend prior to that was a sex kitten, until domestication, and then she died on the vine in that sense.

I'd have been able to live with it much more easily had they given a flying fuck enough to look into what was wrong instead of dismissing it and acting like it was something I just had to live with. And don't think I didn't go to the ends of the earth in search of solutions aside from them taking initiative. I got tired of the rejection, and it ended the relationships.

Sex is incredibly important to my girlfriend, and if that means I have to have a Viagra infusion pump installed in my ass to keep my dick working to keep her happy, it's worth it. She has pledged the same to me.

If one of us falls ill and we're physically unable, that's something entirely different. But we're at least willing, for each other, to search hard for solutions.

/END RANT

agreed with most points. my point is illustrated in your last paragraph there.

I think it is not bullshit to call shallow someone who would leave a relationship because the other partner has a physical condition that prevents them from having or wanting sex.

now, i agree, being in a relationship where theres just no desire from one side? yah, i'd leave it. physical conditions? I'd be by my wife throughout the treatment of said condition

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How long would you recommend I stay away then? You said 8-9 before, but never gave a unit of measurement.


Longball, I hope you didn't mean me. I pray to God I never sound or get close to Ippy level. If I do, I need a reality check.

lol it did sound ippy-esque and his tales of nocturnal activities and female conquests


8 weeks.



P.S:
I have to have a Viagra infusion pump installed in my ass to keep my dick working to keep her happy, I would probably change woman. it would be lot easier and cheaper.
And I would learn to play dominos, I suppose.

LOL too much truth here

[tallstraw]

Mine aren't lies ;D. But I hear ya. I'm mostly just trying to say how my quality of life was before I ever cycled.

[longBallLima]

well, who knows? maybe ippy was putting his spanish sausage in everything that moved. he looked like zyzz after his SD run :P

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

Starting monday, it's all steaks, chicken,rice, green beans and broccoli. 2013 was supposed to be my year, but I've been side tracked by partying and slaying randos. I'm gonna drop the partying. Pick up some creatine after my blood test and get on good nutrition and exercise. No excuses. By putting it inwriting, I'm gonna make sure I stick to it, because I know you guys will hound me, and not let me slack or live it down if I do.


Clean living, hell yeah! Sounds like you got it figured out. I'd add some moderate cardio in too. I notice my boners suffer when I lose my conditioning during a bulk, maybe you lost a little bit bulking? If not disregard.

*edit - Slaying randos is your duty as an American soldier, especially college girls, foreign chicks, and 17 year olds.

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

FPR, I agree that sexual appetites should be roughly equivalent, but I take the opposite approach.

When my libido starts getting too high for the old lady I just run a bottle of trenazone and then we don't have to worry about it for months. Also lengthens the life of my keyboards, if you know what I mean.

[tallstraw]

Clean living, hell yeah! Sounds like you got it figured out. I'd add some moderate cardio in too. I notice my boners suffer when I lose my conditioning during a bulk, maybe you lost a little bit bulking? If not disregard.

*edit - Slaying randos is your duty as an American soldier, especially college girls, foreign chicks, and 17 year olds.

Let's keep that last one on the DL now lol...hush hush man. I'm not gonna stop that. But I am gonna stop the partying. 3 beer max a night when I go out. With my friends it's inevitable that we'll go out. So I'll just do it the righr way the best I can...I havenoticed on run days for PT I get NORB's all day. Even today while I was sitting at my desk on CQ. Maybe that's it, idfk. I'm grasping at straws. I did basically quit cardio once I did my first hdrol run. Except for my short stint cutting in Afgh.

[nate3993]

Let's keep that last one on the DL now lol...hush hush man. I'm not gonna stop that. But I am gonna stop the partying. 3 beer max a night when I go out. With my friends it's inevitable that we'll go out. So I'll just do it the righr way the best I can...I havenoticed on run days for PT I get NORB's all day. Even today while I was sitting at my desk on CQ. Maybe that's it, idfk. I'm grasping at straws. I did basically quit cardio once I did my first hdrol run. Except for my short stint cutting in Afgh.

dam .narbs. i'd kill for narbs. haha. i havent had a narb in like 2 years.

[tallstraw]

Guys I think the ID exem tanked my estrogen. Been off for 4(5?)days now and my NORB erections somewhat came back and have been extremely strong. My erecrions during sex, pretty strong, and I can get them on command almost. I feel kinda like I did pre ph use. But maybe I'm jumping the gun.

[longBallLima]

Guys I think the ID exem tanked my estrogen. Been off for 4(5?)days now and my NORB erections somewhat came back and have been extremely strong. My erecrions during sex, pretty strong, and I can get them on command almost. I feel kinda like I did pre ph use. But maybe I'm jumping the gun.

makes a shit ton of sense, brother.

sorry if this has been asked/informed, but when do you get bloods now that you're off shit? if you are gonna get it done that is.

[Freepressright]

I had been using Sustain Alpha the last few days from some acne caused by Intimidate and Tropinol XP. My erection quality has gone to hell. Time to get off it.

I really need a blood test to determine how naturally low my estrogen is, because any product that claims to mitigate estrogen crushes me, every time.

[tallstraw]

makes a shit ton of sense, brother.

sorry if this has been asked/informed, but when do you get bloods now that you're off shit? if you are gonna get it done that is.

If everything stays great. I probably won't need them. But I will get it regardless. But the time frame was 8-9 weeks. So when that rolls around, I'll go get them.

[longBallLima]

If everything stays great. I probably won't need them. But I will get it regardless. But the time frame was 8-9 weeks. So when that rolls around, I'll go get them.

make sense. i know you like to do your homework and you're very well informed, but stay safe youngling.

[tallstraw]

make sense. i know you like to do your homework and you're very well informed, but stay safe youngling.

That's my end goal, live life by the seat of my pants, safely.