Q and A

[jw390898]

What is the best stack/combination people have run, just briefly giving an indication of why you felt the chosen options worked together?

[tallstraw]

Trendione, and ment. I haven't tried much. Just Ment, trendione, AM, AH, Hdrol, and Msten. Ment and trendione was incredible together. The strength was increasing every day and I never wanted to leave the gym. While my diet was in check I was leaning out on it. I was superdosed on trendione though. Like 130mg and 40mg ment PreWO.

[jw390898]

^ Any progresterone issues at all with that combination?

[h2s]

Everything? Tren/mast/test, only cycle I will probably do again aas wise.

Designers? AM, AH, Trenavar. Note the trend?

Best standalone designer? Trenazone.

[Rodja]

Injectable: Test, NPP, 1Test
DS: Msten, Dplex

[MRBB]

Last Spring I ran CELs M-LMG and H-Drol for 10 weeks. The first week I took 75 mgs of LMG per week and 50mgs of Drol per week. The second week I switched it up and took 50mgs of LMG and 75mgs of Drol. I kept switching back and fourth between those doses each week for the entire cycle. I felt unreal the entire time! I would describe it as feeling like THE alpha male in the gym with massive pumps each time I went to the gym. I would crush the weights I lifted the previous week. It seemed as though the heavier the weight the better my joints felt which is a great feeling. My libido was through the roof, my appetite was higher that normal and my sense of well being was very high for 10+ weeks.

I used Primordial's test recovery stack and kept most of my size but lost a little strength.

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

Trenazone + AndroHard + Ultradrol was pretty fantastic. If I did it again I would spend more time working into it though, and would've run HCG. Took forever to reach baseline numbers afterwards, even with a pretty aggresive PCT.

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

Last Spring I ran CELs M-LMG and H-Drol for 10 weeks.

I ran a quick M-LMG + Epi Cycle. Pretty much sides-free, and OTC PCT was good for me too.

[longBallLima]

all i've done aas-wise: Test E + Mast


funny, i dreamed i was taking trestolone LOL

[jw390898]

Last Spring I ran CELs M-LMG and H-Drol for 10 weeks. The first week I took 75 mgs of LMG per week and 50mgs of Drol per week. The second week I switched it up and took 50mgs of LMG and 75mgs of Drol. I kept switching back and fourth between those doses each week for the entire cycle. I felt unreal the entire time! I would describe it as feeling like THE alpha male in the gym with massive pumps each time I went to the gym. I would crush the weights I lifted the previous week. It seemed as though the heavier the weight the better my joints felt which is a great feeling. My libido was through the roof, my appetite was higher that normal and my sense of well being was very high for 10+ weeks.

I used Primordial's test recovery stack and kept most of my size but lost a little strength.

Interesting - I tend to like doses of 75-100mg of LMG for 4-6 weeks. Not seen it run with Halo. We do a stack with it alongside P Mag which has always been a very popular option, P Mag being the near chemical twin of Halo/HDrol but generally considered the better bulker of the two.

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I ran a quick M-LMG + Epi Cycle. Pretty much sides-free, and OTC PCT was good for me too.

Wow that for me is one strange combination - a very dry lean product such as Epi and then a wet bulker in the form of LMG.

Did the Epi keep things dry from the LMG?

[burlyman30]

Trenazone/hdrol (PPs Tbol)/Androhard yielded nice consistent gains. Strength was approaching levels from 20 years ago.

All lean bulkers, with AH added for additional estrogen antagonism.

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

Wow that for me is one strange combination - a very dry lean product such as Epi and then a wet bulker in the form of LMG.

Did the Epi keep things dry from the LMG?

It did for me, but I get what you're saying and have heard guys complain about getting the worst of both worlds: dry achy joints + bloat. But I ran it low, 75mg on the M-LMG and 30mg on the epi and had no complaints.

[DJM]

T R E N B O L O N E
M 1 T was almost as strong

for me nothing else scrapes the surface of those two, iv used test, mast, var, oral t, hdrol, epi, x-mass, primo(prob bunk/fake tho)

[jw390898]

M1T is a very powerful product.

[nate3993]

i always thought SD and M1T were pretty much on the same level, but the more i see people's post, the more i've been led to believe that M1T is actually stronger. of course the most potent steroid ever i think is methyl tren.

[jw390898]

I would suggest M1T is more potent than Tren, presume you mean the old 19-nor based Tren variants?

SD provides leaner gains than M1T, Tren very dry and strength suited. We see a lot of people still stack SD with old Tren which is one heck of a combination - generally recommend considering Stano is included in this too for the benefits it brings in offsetting some of the less desirable aspects of SD.
There is also quite a high possibility of needing to deal with prolactin increases too so if and where the budget permits on cycle Forma is perfect. Needless to say we insist people use a SERM PCT ideally Nolva and Clomid for such a cycle but the results are incredible.

[burlyman30]

I would suggest M1T is more potent than Tren, presume you mean the old 19-nor based Tren variants?



I believe Nate was referring to Methyl Tren, not the PHs.

As for SD... I'm happy for the guys who liked their results, but that stuff was poison to me. Never felt so bad on a cycle. Ever. The M1T gains sound interesting, but doesn't really fall in line with my goals these days. I agree with the stano as a great adjunct... to just about any cycle, really.

[jw390898]

Ahh ok that would make more sense - the Tren.

SD is a bit like marmite for sides, you either find them ok or suffer, I personally agree and cannot run it myself.

Stano is like PH Viagra ;-)

[longBallLima]

I ran SD before with virtually no sides other than feeling fukkin amazing lol plus, if i'm no Patrick Arnold today, at the time, i didnt know much beyond Cycle then PCT and that was all. ignorance is a bliss i guess.

[Coolazice]

I ran SD before with virtually no sides other than feeling fukkin amazing lol plus, if i'm no Patrick Arnold today, at the time, i didnt know much beyond Cycle then PCT and that was all. ignorance is a bliss i guess.

Brand?

Dose?

Any other supps with it like a stano or something?

[longBallLima]

Brand?

Dose?

Any other supps with it like a stano or something?

This was a while ago so forgive me if some info is a little off.

Brand was Hardcore formulations i believe (local guy in CO i think). 10 mgs/day me thinks. Don't think I even ran cycle support with it, but I may have. Definitely had Liver Support, MAYBE TUDCA, not completely sure. if not, it was something like Liver Fix. again, not sure.

PCT was OTC (Complete PCT i think) with bloods before and after and although i don't remember values, everything looking decent.

Sides were incredibly hard muscles, good mood and raging boners LOL all kidding aside, there may have been some extra aggression at the gym.

Now, like I said, at the time, i wasn't anywhere near the already limited knowledge I have today, so it wasn't the most calculated, educated cycle and I know what i'm describing doesn't sound anything like the usual SD run, so it still interests me to hear how potentially harmful this compound can be and how lucky (??) i was i guess.

have some from some other brand stashed away with good dates still, but i dont think ill be doing anything other than AAS in the future, so they'll become gifts to friends in brazil , although i don't wanna pass it to some kid who (like me at the time) hasn't done his research on the necessary caution/potential threats of the compound.

anyway, in the end, i can say i had a pretty good experience with SD, rivaled only by the almighty 1t-Tren.


EDIT - just realized this might sound like i'm trying to sell SD here. sorry mods. fixed.

[Coolazice]

This was a while ago so forgive me if some info is a little off.

Brand was Hardcore formulations i believe (local guy in CO i think). 10 mgs/day me thinks. Don't think I even ran cycle support with it, but I may have. Definitely had Liver Support, MAYBE TUDCA, not completely sure. if not, it was something like Liver Fix. again, not sure.

PCT was OTC (Complete PCT i think) with bloods before and after and although i don't remember values, everything looking decent.

Sides were incredibly hard muscles, good mood and raging boners LOL all kidding aside, there may have been some extra aggression at the gym.

Now, like I said, at the time, i wasn't anywhere near the already limited knowledge I have today, so it wasn't the most calculated, educated cycle and I know what i'm describing doesn't sound anything like the usual SD run, so it still interests me to hear how potentially harmful this compound can be and how lucky (??) i was i guess.

have some from some other brand stashed away with good dates still, but i dont think ill be doing anything other than AAS in the future, so they'll become gifts to friends in brazil , although i don't wanna pass it to some kid who (like me at the time) hasn't done his research on the necessary caution/potential threats of the compound.

anyway, in the end, i can say i had a pretty good experience with SD, rivaled only by the almighty 1t-Tren.


EDIT - just realized this might sound like i'm trying to sell SD here. sorry mods. fixed.

Thanks for all the info. I have 3 bottles sitting around that I am still debating what to do with. The low dose you used is probably where I would run it too to remain relatively side-free along with a stano or Proviron and possibly a little Test too. 1T- Tren was awesome!!! Wish I would have stocked up big time on that one.

[longBallLima]

Thanks for all the info. I have 3 bottles sitting around that I am still debating what to do with. The low dose you used is probably where I would run it too to remain relatively side-free along with a stano or Proviron and possibly a little Test too. 1T- Tren was awesome!!! Wish I would have stocked up big time on that one.

no worries and true on the 1t-tren!

I'm pretty lucky with estrogen sides. Again in my uneducated self, i ran 1t-tren with nothing for estrogen and dont think i had anything major. a little moody maybe but 0 signs of gyno

the cycle im running now, the masteron is pretty much taking care of estro if im understanding this right.

[Coolazice]

no worries and true on the 1t-tren!

I'm pretty lucky with estrogen sides. Again in my uneducated self, i ran 1t-tren with nothing for estrogen and dont think i had anything major. a little moody maybe but 0 signs of gyno

the cycle im running now, the masteron is pretty much taking care of estro if im understanding this right.

Apparently I have a decent amount of good luck with Estrogen myself despite having higher bf and not using proper support. I didn't see much bloating and no gyno from 1T-T, but did have a little issue with my temper once or twice. Andromass seemed to raise E2 more towards the end, but I'm sure my reckless and high-carb eating contributed A LOT to that (even with 6 AH in the mix).

Mast E is another compound that is on my wish list to try later this year.

[longBallLima]

Apparently I have a decent amount of good luck with Estrogen myself despite having higher bf and not using proper support. I didn't see much bloating and no gyno from 1T-T, but did have a little issue with my temper once or twice. Andromass seemed to raise E2 more towards the end, but I'm sure my reckless and high-carb eating contributed A LOT to that (even with 6 AH in the mix).

Mast E is another compound that is on my wish list to try later this year.

I think folks are not crazy about Mast E, shorter esters are preferred, but someone with experience with E might offer better details.

[DJM]

I think folks are not crazy about Mast E, shorter esters are preferred, but someone with experience with E might offer better details.

was a fan, not anymore

[weekend]

was a fan, not anymore

you don't like mast at all anymore?

[DJM]

you don't like mast at all anymore?

meh its a good drug, just what it does cant justify its price
iv run cycles with and without, and the difference is minimal i find

anyone who buys mast for their cycle, cause they like the libido effects, well jmo, stupid investment.....test will carry your libido, so unless you are precomp, meh i wouldnt advise.

however i know im in the minority on this board in that sentiment, it seems everyone likes mast or stano(ph) and use it in every cycle with great results......to each's own

[weekend]

meh its a good drug, just what it does cant justify its price
iv run cycles with and without, and the difference is minimal i find

anyone who buys mast for their cycle, cause they like the libido effects, well jmo, stupid investment.....test will carry your libido, so unless you are precomp, meh i wouldnt advise.

however i know im in the minority on this board in that sentiment, it seems everyone likes mast or stano(ph) and use it in every cycle with great results......to each's own

i liked being on proviron better than just test... i feel like i might love mast. haha only one way to find out..

[DJM]

mast is better than proviron, thats an easy one

[Coolazice]

I think folks are not crazy about Mast E, shorter esters are preferred, but someone with experience with E might offer better details.

I guess it all depends on which group you are asking. I still have plenty of time to change my mind and may end up running a "cut mix" that contains 3 short esters rather than doing my own version with long esters anyway.

[weekend]

I guess it all depends on which group you are asking. I still have plenty of time to change my mind and may end up running a "cut mix" that contains 3 short esters rather than doing my own version with long esters anyway.

do you mean test p mast p tren a blend?

[Coolazice]

do you mean test p mast p tren a blend?

Yep

[Coolazice]

According to an ongoing poll (on ProfessionalMuscle) about Mast Prop VS Mast E, the current voting has Mast Prop up by 1 vote @ 12-11. Right now it looks like it's more about how often one feels like pinning than it is about effectiveness of one versus the other.

[weekend]

you mean prop?

[weekend]

540

[Coolazice]

you mean prop?

Nice catch! That was a copy and paste from the thread, but I assume it would be Prop. I guess I should correct that for the purpose of this thread instead of looking like a dingleberry and repeating his mistake. lol

[O_RYAN_007]

This was a while ago so forgive me if some info is a little off.

Brand was Hardcore formulations i believe (local guy in CO i think). 10 mgs/day me thinks. Don't think I even ran cycle support with it, but I may have. Definitely had Liver Support, MAYBE TUDCA, not completely sure. if not, it was something like Liver Fix. again, not sure.

PCT was OTC (Complete PCT i think) with bloods before and after and although i don't remember values, everything looking decent.

Sides were incredibly hard muscles, good mood and raging boners LOL all kidding aside, there may have been some extra aggression at the gym.

Now, like I said, at the time, i wasn't anywhere near the already limited knowledge I have today, so it wasn't the most calculated, educated cycle and I know what i'm describing doesn't sound anything like the usual SD run, so it still interests me to hear how potentially harmful this compound can be and how lucky (??) i was i guess.

have some from some other brand stashed away with good dates still, but i dont think ill be doing anything other than AAS in the future, so they'll become gifts to friends in brazil , although i don't wanna pass it to some kid who (like me at the time) hasn't done his research on the necessary caution/potential threats of the compound.

anyway, in the end, i can say i had a pretty good experience with SD, rivaled only by the almighty 1t-Tren.


EDIT - just realized this might sound like i'm trying to sell SD here. sorry mods. fixed.


Oh the Mighty 1 T-Tren, that shit was amazing! I gained 22-25 #s each time and the strength was just ridiculous! Shit stares at me every time I open my fridge, it tells me to just slather it on. LOL!

[jw390898]

LOL you stashed up then?

[Coolazice]

According to an ongoing poll (on ProfessionalMuscle) about Mast Prop VS Mast E, the current voting has Mast Prop up by 1 vote @ 12-11. Right now it looks like it's more about how often one feels like pinning than it is about effectiveness of one versus the other.

Currently 14-12 in favor of Mast E

[O_RYAN_007]

LOL you stashed up then?

Oh yeah! :)

[MRBB]

I ran a quick M-LMG + Epi Cycle. Pretty much sides-free, and OTC PCT was good for me too.

How did you like this run of Epi and LMG? Did you gain a lot of size or did the Epi keep you lean? I'm thinking about running these two for 10 weeks this Spring with some test e.

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

How did you like this run of Epi and LMG? Did you gain a lot of size or did the Epi keep you lean? I'm thinking about running these two for 10 weeks this Spring with some test e.

Loved it, I ran it for a much shorter time, but it was my cherry-popper so it worked great for me. Honestly though the real deal always seems to be better, and if you can source it I would advice you run something more traditional. I did gain a lot of size that stayed with me, epi is a better bulker than most people will give it credit for. I didn't bloat, but my dosages, as stated, were pretty modest.

[jw390898]

As with anything diet is ultimately responsible - you can cut on SD but it is not necessarily the best choice.

Sometimes though as indicated by yourself to go with a very dry and lean compound and bulk enables better quality gains even if not quite as explosive as a bulker.