Introduce yourself!

[Hank!]

Thanks Bucks

Nope Olddawg not Rogue but I've been thinking that if I werent bald I would look good whith a white stripe in my hair

[mrgodlike]

Sup guys, long time fan of PP and the PP forum.....Never really posted but I lurked that bitch like a boss. Loved the atmosphere you guys had over there. Anyways I saw H2S post something on AM about these forums and finally glad I found this place.

Oh and here's my v3 stash (all full and unopened ;) ):
http://content.screencast.com/users/mrgodlike/folders/Default/media/5c8b74a9-8f5d-4e05-8cf6-cbc3ad9b240b/androseriesv3.gif

[longBallLima]

Sup guys, long time fan of PP and the PP forum.....Never really posted but I lurked that bitch like a boss. Loved the atmosphere you guys had over there. Anyways I saw H2S post something on AM about these forums and finally glad I found this place.

Oh and here's my v3 stash (all full and unopened ;) ):
http://content.screencast.com/users/mrgodlike/folders/Default/media/5c8b74a9-8f5d-4e05-8cf6-cbc3ad9b240b/androseriesv3.gif

careful, some members here might put a hit on you for that stash

oh, and welcome!

[burlyman30]

Welcome to the forum, MGL!

[Bucks]

Sup guys, long time fan of PP and the PP forum.....Never really posted but I lurked that bitch like a boss. Loved the atmosphere you guys had over there. Anyways I saw H2S post something on AM about these forums and finally glad I found this place.

Oh and here's my v3 stash (all full and unopened ;) ):
http://content.screencast.com/users/mrgodlike/folders/Default/media/5c8b74a9-8f5d-4e05-8cf6-cbc3ad9b240b/androseriesv3.gif

And what was your address?


LOL welcome to the andro party.

[Cdsnuts]

Nice Stash!

[ireland]

well well well....look what i found the new improved pp...of course i seem to have found it a tad later than the rest of you all lol. well for what its worth ireland is back online and looking forward to becoming part of what looks a great forum.

[DJM]

mrgodlike was better handle

[ireland]

well dj i see your still livin....hows canada treating you these days?

[olddawg]

good to see you bud

[ireland]

good to find you all to be honest....pp was the only forum i spent any time on ( as i have a life outside of the internet ) so pretty cool to see the old faces all together again....who set this site up? i see all the mods seem to be the same ones as we had at pp...is eric behind this site as a relaunch pad?

[olddawg]

hts owns it, better be nice to him :rolleyes: lol

[ireland]

lol we had a checkered history to say the least. so he owns it ....well done that boy, he always was as smart as a badger so good for him. what about ippats? he made me grin . is he on this as well?

[O_RYAN_007]

lol we had a checkered history to say the least. so he owns it ....well done that boy, he always was as smart as a badger so good for him. what about ippats? he made me grin . is he on this as well?

Have a good read Ireland.

...here we go again (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/general-discussion/1389-sigh-here-we-go-again.html)

[ireland]

with age comes wisdom lol......my god the boy is a car crash ...in all honesty tho it aint that funny, young man like that who 18 months ago already was a cautionary tale. sad state of affairs . i honestly think if you told him that by cutting his cock off he would gain 10 pounds he would bloody do it.

[burlyman30]

Ireland lives!

[ireland]

Ireland lives!

just about ...18 months of dealing with a major thyroid dysfunction , but getting back on track...once i find my feet on this forum i may post a thread on dealing, living and training with a bollocks of a thyroid as it may be of some interest to some members out there. i have become an unwilling expert on thyroid medication and doses lol.
but hey this seems a great wee site, and very well presented if i may say so. hope all is well with you and yours.

[burlyman30]

just about ...18 months of dealing with a major thyroid dysfunction , but getting back on track...once i find my feet on this forum i may post a thread on dealing, living and training with a bollocks of a thyroid as it may be of some interest to some members out there. i have become an unwilling expert on thyroid medication and doses lol.
but hey this seems a great wee site, and very well presented if i may say so. hope all is well with you and yours.

Good to have you back, alive, and (finally) well. Sorry to hear of the thyroid trouble... but glad you've worked through it. Your experience might just help another member here, so I look forward to hearing more about that later.

[h2s]

The man, the myth, the legend. Welcome to SwoleSource Ireland.

[ireland]

The man, the myth, the legend. Welcome to SwoleSource Ireland.

many thanks...and well done, looks a bloody good job.

[olddawg]

The man, the myth, the legend. Welcome to SwoleSource Ireland.

this makes me think of Ireland's weiner^^^^^

[s1lencethenoi5e]

I swear I had already registered for Swole Source but after several unsuccessful entries and an attempted password reset apparently I never did register.

I am on several other forums (aminds, phf, and used to post on leanbulk) but I have never been the type to post 13,000 times. I decided to register with a different username for various reasons. One of the reasons is that I will finally be moving on from being natural and would prefer that people who know my alias from real life do not know except for the select few who I will tell. I notice a lot of familiar names here which is great. I hope that Swole Source can grow but still stay pure and unadulterated unlike some of the other forums.

[ryhigh]

Welcome! Glad to have you here

[burlyman30]

I swear I had already registered for Swole Source but after several unsuccessful entries and an attempted password reset apparently I never did register.

I am on several other forums (aminds, phf, and used to post on leanbulk) but I have never been the type to post 13,000 times. I decided to register with a different username for various reasons. One of the reasons is that I will finally be moving on from being natural and would prefer that people who know my alias from real life do not know except for the select few who I will tell. I notice a lot of familiar names here which is great. I hope that Swole Source can grow but still stay pure and unadulterated unlike some of the other forums.

Welcome! I can assure you that as long as I have something to say about it that this forum won't put up with the rif raf you find on other forums. Oh, and welcome to the world of anabolics.

[olddawg]

welcome bud, and no need to grow, lots of smarty pants' here who know their stuff. A hand full of knowledgeable minds is all that's required to stimulate thought, correct noobs errors, and make you think in ways you haven't thought before

[SoCal-Nutrition]

Ireland, Good to see you over here!

[Sparky]

Hey Everyone!

I am on several other boards and found this one today while looking for information on Eric Potratz. You can never have too much information when it comes to bodybuilding. Glad to be here. BTW - if you want to know the boards I am on, send me a PM.

Sparky

[ryhigh]

Hmmm information huh? All I know is he's a Jedi, last I heard he was planning an attack on the dark lord FDAdar to get me some more androseries. Welcome to swole

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Hmmm information huh? All I know is he's a Jedi, last I heard he was planning an attack on the dark lord FDAdar to get me some more androseries. Welcome to swole

[olddawg]

^^^^
http://mikeytherhino.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/deptdept.gif

[Sparky]

Thanks brudda!

"Hmmm information huh? All I know is he's a Jedi, last I heard he was planning an attack on the dark lord FDAdar to get me some more androseries. Welcome to swole"

[SoCal-Nutrition]

Hey Everyone!

I am on several other boards and found this one today while looking for information on Eric Potratz. You can never have too much information when it comes to bodybuilding. Glad to be here. BTW - if you want to know the boards I am on, send me a PM.

Sparky

Welcome bud, we're glad to have you here!

[vince]

Hows it going everyone? Im Vince, 21 years old and from philadelphia. Not active on any other forums but i plan on being active here :D.
Most recent picture(a couple of days ago):
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[SoCal-Nutrition]

Hey Vince...Again, welcome! are you currently in Japan?

[vince]

Thank you again!
And yes, until January then back to the states i go!

[milehighguy]

Welcome to the forum Vince

[burlyman30]

Welcome, Vince. We have a great group of guys here. Glad you found us.

[Grape Ape]

Glad to see you here Vince. Mad jelly your in Japan. Actually saving for a trip there. Going to buy myself a wife.

Philly is dope. I live about 45 minutes away. Used to do a shit ton of partying up at Drexel, and loved club Roxxy as a teenage.

Again, welcome.

[vince]

thanks again everyone

[Jack O'Neill]

Welcome to the forum.

Very great atmosphere here !

[Monkeyzx9]

Hi all, I'm brand new and happy to be here.

[Monkeyzx9]

Hi everyone, this is the first forum I've ever joined so please forgive any stupid mistakes I may make. I'm fairly new to the gym but I've been into fitness for years mainly martial arts and cardio stuff and have really been hit by the bodybuilding bug, I love the buzz of a PR (when it happens) and the way that weights don't lie......defo sorts the men from the boys (think I'm still a boy lol) anyway, great forum and I'm looking forward to many interesting chats.

[Cdsnuts]

Hi everyone, this is the first forum I've ever joined so please forgive any stupid mistakes I may make. I'm fairly new to the gym but I've been into fitness for years mainly martial arts and cardio stuff and have really been hit by the bodybuilding bug, I love the buzz of a PR (when it happens) and the way that weights don't lie......defo sorts the men from the boys (think I'm still a boy lol) anyway, great forum and I'm looking forward to many interesting chats.

Welcome. If interesting chats is what you seek, you've come to the right place. It's also a great place to learn....Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

[Monkeyzx9]

Hi, I'm 34 years old so a boy in the brain but not so much in body haha

[BBG]

Hi, I'm 34 years old so a boy in the brain but not so much in body haha

34 is young a f*ck nowadays, wait till you're 64 then you can tell us about how old your body is! I know too many guys in their 50s who are competing and getting every last inch out of their body.

Glad to have you on the forum!!

[Cdsnuts]

34 is young a f*ck nowadays, wait till you're 64 then you can tell us about how old your body is! I know too many guys in their 50s who are competing and getting every last inch out of their body.

Glad to have you on the forum!!

I'm 36....I wouldn't say 34 is young as f*ck...24 is young as f*ck.....but it's certainly not old. Alot of guys are in their primes when they are in their 30's. I think it's the one point in life when your brain and body are on the same page. But who knows....maybe I'll think that when I'm in my 40's.....Older guys want to chime in here?

[Monkeyzx9]

I must admit I'm not as quick as I was but I'm stronger in body and much stronger in the mind than I was....my dads 68 and still doing trackdays on his fireblade with me so the future is promising I hope. I'm not one of these people who thinks 34 is old, just older than I was yesterday that's all....wiser? Maybe lol

[burlyman30]

Welcome to the forum. Good group of guys here to hang with and learn from.

[Monkeyzx9]

Thanks guys, I certainly have much to learn

[burlyman30]

Thanks guys, I certainly have much to learn

The smartest people here are still learning.

[SoCal-Nutrition]

Welcome Monkeyzx9!


The smartest people here are still learning.

Absolutely true!

[Sperwer]

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[dova]

Hi, i'm a 38 years old male from Belgium. I'ts now a couple of months that i've been on the forum. So i think i'ts time to introduce myself. I've been training since i was 20. When i was 30 i had an operation on my stomach. Lost 53 Lbs in 4 months! I also have the dissorder GAD (generalised anxiety disorder). For the GAD i was taking duloxetine(ssri), rilatine, dipiperon(pipamperon) and seroquel(quetiapine), but with many side effects. My libido was lagging, i was'nt feeling well, sweat outbursts. I went to the doctor and did some blood work. Everything was in range. Still i deceided to start HRT. It's now 3 weeks that i take sustanon (175mg/week) and the only other medication that i take is seroquel for the night. Now, for the moment, i feel good. Great libido, no anxiety, no sweat outbursts. Training is going well....
So, i'm sorry for my language, but English is not my native language. I hope you understand what i want to tell ;-)

[ryhigh]

Hi, i'm a 38 years old male from Belgium. I'ts now a couple of months that i've been on the forum. So i think i'ts time to introduce myself. I've been training since i was 20. When i was 30 i had an operation on my stomach. Lost 53 Lbs in 4 months! I also have the dissorder GAD (generalised anxiety disorder). For the GAD i was taking duloxetine(ssri), rilatine, dipiperon(pipamperon) and seroquel(quetiapine), but with many side effects. My libido was lagging, i was'nt feeling well, sweat outbursts. I went to the doctor and did some blood work. Everything was in range. Still i deceided to start HRT. It's now 3 weeks that i take sustanon (175mg/week) and the only other medication that i take is seroquel for the night. Now, for the moment, i feel good. Great libido, no anxiety, no sweat outbursts. Training is going well....
So, i'm sorry for my language, but English is not my native language. I hope you understand what i want to tell ;-)

Welcome! We are happy to have you here. Hang out, have a laugh, and take it all the knowledge our members have here! :)


Telepathically sent from iPhone using Jedi mind tricks

[SoCal-Nutrition]

Yes sir, welcome to the community!

[Bucks]

Welcome to the group. A lot of good people with a lot of experience here.

[dova]

Thanx! I already read the full Burlyman story. And indeed, lots of experience here!

[mg99]

Hi everyone - long time lurker but finally decided to create an account. Have read through lot of forum topics and lots of good info. on training and supplementation here. Hope I can keep adding to it by posting reviews, logs etc.

-MG

[SoCal-Nutrition]

Hi everyone - long time lurker but finally decided to create an account. Have read through lot of forum topics and lots of good info. on training and supplementation here. Hope I can keep adding to it by posting reviews, logs etc.

-MG

Welcome, glad to have you here!

[TheMyth89]

Hello All,

Name is Devin, 25 years old and finishing my bachelor's of science in - Nutrition / Exercise / Health Sciences and Dietetics with a specific emphasis in Sports Dietetics and Gerontology. Besides finishing my degree (in December), I'm also a personal trainer / nutrition specialist and Training Coach (bodybuilding and powerlifting). I made the switch to bodybuilding in 2010 and prior to that I competed nationally in the 148 and 168 weight classes in powerlifting. Weights when I competed were 141lbs and 151lbs, lifts at 151 were: bench - 300, deadlift 420, squat 380. Looking to do my first show for bodybuilding as I've been plagued with injuries and school will be next June at the Duel of Champions NPC show. In my free time I like to play with my toys (1997 camaro z28 fully done - motor, suspension etc), and my 1996 Polaris 780cc SLX jetski.

I'm looking forward to being here for the long haul.

Thanks,

Devin (TM89)

[Pno517]

Hey SS, glad to be here, I read quite a few threads before joining but I've become familiar with the vet's on SS from AM and PP mostly. I look as y 'all as my mentors in the game, seriously. The knowledge I've learned from you guys is huge and homage to h2s for quarterbacking this platform. Truly an honor to be a part of a group with so much class and integrity. I'm privileged to be able to tap into this wealth of information, so thank you all for sharing you'r wisdom, the checks and balances on this forum are phenomenal.

Rep hard! 💯💯💯

[BBG]

Glad to have you two guys. Start up a thread, ask questions, etc... welcome to SwoleSource!

[WonderLiz]

YES...Welcome guys!

[SoCal-Nutrition]

Glad to see you guys here!

[atifmonkey]

whats up everybody? im new here.but i have an account over at prohormone forum. i hope and can contribute and learn from this community.

[WonderLiz]

Welcome :)

[noneck]

Hello every body iam new here my buddy wesleyinman sent me hear !!! :) iam on couple other boards been lifting for about 18yrs now mostley power lifting but last couple years have started bodybuilding now.getting to old for that power lifting!!! LOL this looks like a great board !!!! :)

[WesleyInman]

Awesome man, glad you are here!! You will love this board!!

[SoCal-Nutrition]

welcome to all the new folks! glad to have you here

[noneck]

yes thank you brother love this board already lots of good people hear and lots on good information to!!!! :)

[Bucks]

Welcome man. Good board here.

[SoCal-Nutrition]

looks like a lot of new people have joined...essentially, I'm bumping the (sticky'd thread).

[Swill]

Hey Guys!

I'm Will, 29 years young from a small Country (Wales) on a small Island (the United Kingdom).

Interests include lifting and all things athletic, former semi-pro soccer player who still plays for fun when I can.

Have the bad luck of being struck by PFS after 7 years of propecia use without any harm back in Dec 2012, and on the quest to recovery since. Varied side effects, largely of a sexual nature, and thankfully no longer any of the mental side effects, although the first year or so was hell.

Have been lifting and despite my mess am in the best shape of my life right now due to tightening up diet and exercise, although putting on mass is a problem due to near bottom range T levels and an aromatase enzyme that goes batshit crazy at any sign of elevating my androgens.

Looking forward to learning and adding my uneducated two cents where possible.

[SoCal-Nutrition]

Welcome sir, we're happy to have you here!

[Hank!]

That language you Wales speak is impossible to understand, all those shrieks, low growls and and whistles..tough one.

Anyhow welcome!

[BBG]

Welcome to the forum! Hopefully we can help you in your recovery

[tallstraw]

This basically solidifys it, we need a subforum lol. Welcome though, brother.

[Swill]

Thank you for the warm welcome guys!


That language you Wales speak is impossible to understand, all those shrieks, low growls and and whistles..tough one.

Anyhow welcome!

Haha absolutely, I'm not a Welsh speaker but the in the City I work in most people are first language Welsh, they may as well be speaking Kling-on to me... its a crazy language, the town I grew up in is called Nantyffyllon... good luck pronouncing that haha!

I do know a few words....
Will ydw i. Diolch gyda i'r croeso! Rydw i'n hoffi Swole Source achos maen wych!
Translate: My name is Will. Thank you for the welcome. I like Swole Source because it is great!

Also, always good to put a face to a name, so here I am in my pre lifting soccer days... I was kind of a big deal

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Also, will add customary physique shot to my profile, its a few months old and i've put on a bit of mass and a bit of body fat since due to boosting my T levels with supp cycling... pesky aromatase enzyme!

[tallstraw]

Physique shot, cool..something with your face..I'd take down just for anonymity reasons..if you decide to cycle or more.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey Guys!

I'm Will, 29 years young from a small Country (Wales) on a small Island (the United Kingdom).

Interests include lifting and all things athletic, former semi-pro soccer player who still plays for fun when I can.

Have the bad luck of being struck by PFS after 7 years of propecia use without any harm back in Dec 2012, and on the quest to recovery since. Varied side effects, largely of a sexual nature, and thankfully no longer any of the mental side effects, although the first year or so was hell.

Have been lifting and despite my mess am in the best shape of my life right now due to tightening up diet and exercise, although putting on mass is a problem due to near bottom range T levels and an aromatase enzyme that goes batshit crazy at any sign of elevating my androgens.

Looking forward to learning and adding my uneducated two cents where possible.

Welcome friend.

[ToniBR]

Hello! My name is Antonio, I'm 25 years old and brazilian. I used to be a lover of bodybuilding and weighlift, even had some success on bodybuilding, until I made the very dumb decision of taking finasteride. I'm logging into this forum hopping to find some answers and help to correct my hormonal profile. I know that there are people here the now more than doctors about this problem, so maybe they can help. If anyone is willing to help with knowledge or even words of support feel free to send me PM.

I would like to start a thread where I can share my whole history with blood tests and everything, but I'm still no familiarized with the forum and don't wish to break any rules. Any tips are very welcome.

[Cdsnuts]

Hello! My name is Antonio, I'm 25 years old and brazilian. I used to be a lover of bodybuilding and weighlift, even had some success on bodybuilding, until I made the very dumb decision of taking finasteride. I'm logging into this forum hopping to find some answers and help to correct my hormonal profile. I know that there are people here the now more than doctors about this problem, so maybe they can help. If anyone is willing to help with knowledge or even words of support feel free to send me PM.

I would like to start a thread where I can share my whole history with blood tests and everything, but I'm still no familiarized with the forum and don't wish to break any rules. Any tips are very welcome.

Please post ALL finasteride related posts here.....Post Finasteride Syndrome (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/post-finasteride-syndrome/)

Nobody is going to want to even look at your stuff if you're littering the forum with stuff most of these guys don't give a shit about. They were nice enough to add a section for you guys (I wasn't so thrilled about it) so don't piss them off needlessly. They made a section, and they can take that section away if this gets anymore out of hand.

[ToniBR]

Well, if I made a mistake by coming here to ask for help than I'll just leave and delete my account. I don't want to piss anybody off, I just want to optmize my hormones and see if that can lead to a better life. Anyway, if I'm not welcome just tell me.

[tallstraw]

Jesus Christ. I've told you what to do, he tells you what to do. Start doing it, don't act like an insecure woman. If we didn't want you here we'd tell you..we just want ou guys to post your shit in the right place..which if you seriously took 2 minutes, I wasn't bullshitting what I told you earlier..you'd have found your resource heaven for your issue

[ToniBR]

Jesus Christ. I've told you what to do, he tells you what to do. Start doing it, don't act like an insecure woman. If we didn't want you here we'd tell you..we just want ou guys to post your shit in the right place..which if you seriously took 2 minutes, I wasn't bullshitting what I told you earlier..you'd have found your resource heaven for your issue

1. Play Nice. We are all here to both learn and teach. It is through this community-based approach where we can all help ourselves advance towards our goals. Entering into petty arguments not only reflects poorly on you, it reflects poorly on the community as a whole.


I read the rules, man, and there was nothing there regarding creation of topics for personal use. I'm so brain fogged that I can barely walk on the street. English is not even my main language so I'm doing a tremendous effort just to seek for help, since doctors only seem to mock me. O know CDSNUTS is sick and tired from all this finasteride shit, but man, you know what I'm going thru here. I'll post my most recent blood works tomorrow. Right now I have very high cortisol (3x over the range), high progesterone, in range low total T and in range high E. Don't know how much it will work by fixing these, but I'm guessing low dose AI is a good starting point. I never stopped exercising, but that is very hard now because my hands are weak and cold (like there is no enough blood going there) and I feel even more fogged and vision blurried. Is HRT (thyroid, cortisol, testosterone and proviron) a good way to put things in a better place quickly?

By the way, I'm very senstive to anything I take, but in a bad way. For example, tribullus seem to give me gyno issues.

[tallstraw]

CD isn't the only one sick and tired of it. I'm tried of coming on here to see people's updates and every other day it feels like it's a new fucking PFS person who we have to direct to the sun forum. Which doesn't share our goals, they just want PFS help..but won't take the 5 mins to read through sub forums to see if their questions can be answered without starting a new thread or hijacking someone else's..or worse hijacking someone's else's which isn't even related to PFS.Which they STILL DONT LISTEN TO. Case and point, you're still posting on this thread for help after he linked the PFS section. Keep PFS stuff to there.

I'm not goin after you for your language barrier, I'm going after you for doing what literally EVERY PFS person has done.

[entropy]

CD isn't the only one sick and tired of it. I'm tried of coming on here to see people's updates and every other day it feels like it's a new fucking PFS person who we have to direct to the sun forum. Which doesn't share our goals, they just want PFS help..but won't take the 5 mins to read through sub forums to see if their questions can be answered without starting a new thread or hijacking someone else's..or worse hijacking someone's else's which isn't even related to PFS.Which they STILL DONT LISTEN TO. Case and point, you're still posting on this thread for help after he linked the PFS section. Keep PFS stuff to there.

I'm not goin after you for your language barrier, I'm going after you for doing what literally EVERY PFS person has done.
Also, by doing what tallstraw is mad at you for doing, you made it real obvious you haven't gone back and read the meaningful threads for pfs guys anyway.

[Cdsnuts]

Hate to say I told you guys so.....but......I TOLD YOU SO!

Now this "Introduce yourself thread" is another propecia trainwreck.

[silverstrand]

Right now I have very high cortisol (3x over the range), high progesterone, in range low total T and in range high E. I'm guessing low dose AI is a good starting point. .

An AI is good - you'll want Aromasin more so than any non steroidial like Arimidex - however, both can be used, you just have to know how.
Aromasin reduces the body's capacity to make estrogen while Arimidex helps clear the body of existing estrogen. A low dose of Arimidex; for instance, at night before bed can help you fall asleep; high estrogen and cortisol will keep you up. This will not eliminate your bodys production so Aromasin is needed as well. Also, take a look at Eleuthero to help with your bodies cortisol. This herb has a way of readjusting your adrenals from cortisol to androgen production.
As for this website, I like it as a forum to bounce ideas. A few memebers have even PM'd me on them. The community helps me learn and I do my best to contribute. If you follow that approach, I think you should be fine. Constant updates will likely have you being ignored, maybe/maybe not.

[Swill]

Can the 'finasterided up' and off topic posts in this thread just be deleted, it is only 'Introduce Yourself' after all

[entropy]

An AI is good - you'll want Aromasin more so than any non steroidial like Arimidex - however, both can be used, you just have to know how.
Aromasin reduces the body's capacity to make estrogen while Arimidex helps clear the body of existing estrogen. A low dose of Arimidex; for instance, at night before bed can help you fall asleep; high estrogen and cortisol will keep you up. This will not eliminate your bodys production so Aromasin is needed as well. Also, take a look at Eleuthero to help with your bodies cortisol. This herb has a way of readjusting your adrenals from cortisol to androgen production.
As for this website, I like it as a forum to bounce ideas. A few memebers have even PM'd me on them. The community helps me learn and I do my best to contribute. If you follow that approach, I think you should be fine. Constant updates will likely have you being ignored, maybe/maybe not.
If you follow that approach, you won't get squat from us. If you post your issues in the pfs subforum, like we've politely (and inpolitely) requested, you'll likely curry our favour. Come on guys, you really think cd, myself or any of the few people who recovered wants to be reminded about this shit in an introductory thread? Or worse the guys smart enough to never use that shit? Have some courtesy guys.

[bulkraws]

Bulkraws is here , simply a introduction about myself lol
Crazy fun of roids and supplement lol

[Cdsnuts]

Bulkraws is here , simply a introduction about myself lol
Crazy fun of roids and supplement lol

Lol...sounds like a party.

[jacknap]

hey guys. I had a crash from topical anti-androgen RU58841 on June 2nd. Took it just one time April 24th 1ml 50mg. Noticed sexual sides within 5 hours of using with a lady friend so dropped it.

Took about 18 days for my libido to return full force and it came back with a vengeance. I had higher energy, erections than even before. I did dabble a bit with some drugs during this 2-4 weeks period (lsd once, modafinil twice, phenibut 2-3 times a week, GHB once). besides this, was living very healthy organic diet, gym, plenty of sleep. I also just started a new job though which was stressful though.

the last 2 weeks before I crashed were on/off symptoms until I crashed. The night I crashed I had a girl over and I was going to enter her, got a hard erection then got a pain in my head and my dick went flaccid after 10 pumps. never happened before.

seems like some weird type of pfs. doctors mostly write me off as 'in my head' and attribute it to LSD but don't think LSD can make a dude impotent lol and I've used it twice before with no problems and no signs of mental illness in my family.

anyways my symptoms are very similar to CDNUTS 'strange head pressure like something isn't getting oxygen or isn't there, low libido, trouble with erections, anxiety/panic attacks, insomnia, depression, anhedonia, facecial changes, muscle loss, more skinny fat. when i first crashed I also had testicle pain, headaches, convulsions, couldn't speak for a bit. off the top of my head.

attached are my bloods if you guys have insight. main things that pop out high cortisol, low LH/FSH, low free T, high DHT, highest estradiol. Note these are Canadian metrics.

[jacknap]

and more bloods

[jacknap]

and last one

[Cdsnuts]

and last one

No need to post your labs here. This is more of "say hi" thread.

Please start a thread on the propecia section.

And, again, the answer is always going to be the same regardless of labs. Start the protocol....

[burlyman30]

Just wanted to say hello to everyone. I've been gone for about 3+ years and had life/work stuff to deal with. Hopefully you are all doing well. 💪

[Cdsnuts]

Just wanted to say hello to everyone. I've been gone for about 3+ years and had life/work stuff to deal with. Hopefully you are all doing well. 💪Wow! Welcome back man. Good to see an old head back on the Forum. We need to get some more good discussions going here again

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

[Jaad84]

Hi, Guys.

Long time Lurker and time to take action. Thought I'd introduce myself and my story.

Started Propecia back in 2009 when I began to notice thinning and receding hair. I was 24 at the time. I had no issues at all, hair stabilized, no libido or sexual issues and mind was as sharp as always (Excelled in my career, had a great relationship).

Things were great for many years, but then......

Fast forward to 2014. I began to not be able to focus at work, had a very hard time concentrating and my out put had significantly dropped. I put it down to me being disengaged. It was only when I got into a relationship with a new girl in the Fall of 2014 and to 'rise to the occasion become an issue'. I put it down to stress, I got a perscription for Cialis and off I went (Masked the problem).

Well, the past few years have just deteriorated, output at work has dropped to zero (I'm really just surviving on past glories) Libido and sexual desire have dropped to nothing, huge ED and anxiety issues. Girls got fed up with intimacy problems so my great relationships have all dried up and disspareed and this summer has been rock bottom.

With relentless Googling, I stumbled across the forums began reading and realized I have PFS. So the Propecia for me stopped in June..cold turkey.

It took a while for me to land on this site have been reading some of the 'Horror Story' forums out there which has kept me in a state of inaction and denial. But landing here and reading the recovery stories and the protocal, i'm really in a positive midset about recovering.

I know what I have to do, Protocal it is for and the sooner I get started I can start to recover.

Just wanted to introduce myself, and my story as i am sure I will have questions along the way.

Thanks, Gents.

[Cdsnuts]

Welcome.

Please make sure to read all the stickies in this subforum.

[msab1990]

Brothers, I cannot tell you how much of a relief it is to find this forum. CDNuts, I don't want to sound corny but thank you so much man. This has saved my life.

Hopefully there's some guys on here from PH or SolvePFS that might recognise me. Anyway, I won't waste my words on this part, may as well tell you my story.

When I was 23, I took Proscar for 1.5 months from late July 2013 - early September 2013. No one warned me of potential side effects, let alone ongoing. I wish I could say before I took Fin I was a happy, healthy person, but unfortunately I was far from it. I had been a massive weed addict for 5-6 years and had suffered bouts of what I now consider to be very mild depression/anxiety. The kicker though was the chronic obsessive thought disorder I developed during my last relationship, which unfortunately is still with me today.

So, anyway, I got hit with all the sides while on fin. I didn't exactly have sex all the time before taking it, so when the sides hit, I found the least worrying to be the sexual ones, and I've never got them as bad as the mental and emotional sides anyway. I quit, and after 14 days I went back to normal for 1 week, before the horrific crash that so many of us get. The mental/emotional sides got me by far the worst - I can still get excited when stimulated sexually, get rock hard erections and have sex/ejaculate no worries. Just very low libido basically.

Luckily, when I first found PH, CDnuts recovery story was still pretty new and like a duck to water, I took to it as my last hope.

However, I never truly believed, as I thought it was just one guy who got lucky over years of trial and error. I did the protocol out of hope, never really changed my obsessive thought patterns, and often cheated/didn't do it right. In hindsight, I was looking for a bandaid when my issues require complete surgery to every part of my mind, body and soul. I would do spits and spurts of protocols, mostly similar to CD's, then not notice any immediate changes and pack it in. I'd go back to heavy weed usage to deal with the insomnia, smoke cigarettes and drink.

The longest I made it was 4 months from January 2014 - April 2014. I did a 5 day water fast, ate all organic paleo, worked out like a beast, did carb backloading, cycled the herbs and then finally introduced the DHT. In hindsight, I went wayyyy too quick without addressing my underlying problems. I didn't notice much change over the 4 months, except for better mood after working out, better pump when taking the DHT, and naturally got really bummed out that I wasn't making progress. Then after taking the DHT, the natural PCT didn't work, and I crashed really bad. I packed it all in and focused on my career (I somehow finished my Masters and even got an e-commerce store going), and went back to heavily self medicating. Since May 2015, I've smoked a lot of weed and cigarettes again, drank all the time and just generally did things to make me forget about PFS. It actually worked, I wouldn't fixate on it, made some decent relationships and was existing I guess. I exercised 1-2 times a week up until the end of 2016 and ate reasonably healthy, but this year I just sort of gave up with everything.

I was ok just existing, and my fucked up brain kept telling myself that I'd somehow get rich and solve this all, or a 'cure' would come along. I got in a habit of telling myself next week I would quit everything and try get healthy, next week, next week...

Until finally, last Monday, I quit everything and went on a 3 day water fast again. And it all fucking hit me. The realisation I had wasted four years I could have spent trying to get better, or at least get 80-90 per cent of my life back. I got really depressed, suicidal (the worst I've EVER been) and have experienced a crash only similar to my initial one - horrible brain fog, zero concentration, massive depression, zero sleep. I stumbled around on the old forums looking for a magic cure someone might have found in the two years I was away, to no avail. Then, I saw one post saying CD was over here helping guys.

I came here, saw the recoveries section, and saw the tens of dudes following the protocol to the t, long-term, with a clear mind and body, who have either recovered or are very close. I saw photos of dudes with their shirts off looking fucking tank! (no homo) This has truly given me hope, and really made it clear that it wasn't just CD and a couple of lucky guys who got better. It's become apparent people do heal - they just have the right attitude, take the time, and then fuck off from the forums never to be seen again. Now I know there are guys who are doing it who are having success - I cried with happiness this afternoon seeing this. I have actually experienced a complete change of mindset and now I truly 100 per cent believe I can heal.

I know I've probably pumped myself more full of toxins while in PFS state than most guys who've recovered, and I also need to address my obsessive thoughts which always hold me back, so I might take longer than others. But now I believe I can do this. I'm really looking forward to changing everything about myself and becoming a completely new, stronger person. Very, very few people get a chance to truly shed all their baggage and do that in their life - so I'm scared but optimistic. It will be painful for a while, but it will get better.

I'll be easing myself into things this time - I don't care how long it takes, just knowing it's a repeatable process gives me hope. I'm starting by going Paleo, and easing back into exercise, along with seeing a psychologist to address my underlying issues. If I can never just exist in the moment without obsessing about something every minute of every day, I'll never find peace and heal. Over the first six months I plan on doing most of my work on diet, exercise, mental health before moving on to cycling the pro-hormones again.

I'm going to do 2 X 4 week juice feasts - 1 will come at the start of next year after building up some muscle again (I'm too thin/out of shape to do it now, it would be dangerous). I'll then build myself up again and do one last 4 week juice feast.

Planning on hanging around for a bit here at the start, then I will just check in every few months with progress. Once again - thank you to the people who have given me hope.

[Jaad84]

Thank you, CD.

Will do man!

[backup_plan]

Greetings,

congratulations on organising this small subforum inside a larger forum regarding PFS!

Cudos to cdnuts as well for taking the time and going the extra mile to assist others in the same pickle.

I wouldn't like to write a huge post since i intend to open up my own thread, however i will provide some amount of information regarding my case!

I was obese my whole life until i was 23 years old ( reached 170kilos mind you) then i started a low carb diet and lost 90 kilos in one year. I started going to the gym as well since i wasn't able at the past doing mostly cardio.

Unlike many people here i wasn't healthy prior to taking propecia, since i was diagnosed with crohn's disease at 24. [ Long story short, crohn's disease is an autoimmune chronic Inflammatory Bowel Disease (IBD) that in my situation has attacked 38cm of my lower intestine. It comes and goes however you have symptoms in your every day life such as low energy, lethargy, stomach aches and the list goes on]

I spent ± 3 months in the hospital in order to get the correct "treatment" however upon leaving the hotel i denied the prescription of immunosuppressive drugs, i kept my low carb diet on spot and i've been mostly OK.

So at 26, after seeing my masters graduation photos i noticed severe defuse in the back (crown) and generally on top of my head that got worse. doctor gave Minoxidil and i was off.

However after a few months it got worse so i paid a visit to the doc and i was prescribed with one prescription for Propecia.

Took 1mg every day for 26 days until it hit me, numb genitals i couldn't complete intercourse with girlfriend so i immediately dropped it.

However symptoms not only kept but got worse, i am now numb in every body part, i can't feel touch, pain, i don't get goosebumps anymore, i can't even get the regular "numb" feeling after sitting with your legs crossed. Completely nothing. I can check my pulse from my fitbit since i can't feel any heartbeat at ALL! It goes without saying that absolutely zero sexual function and emotionally blunt. I just can't feel aroused anymore.

I got off propecia on 10 of July 2017 however the symptoms are persistent. In the meanwhile whilst off propecia i got severely bloated and gained weight on the abdomen even though my low carb diet is on spot.

After reading and reading online regarding it i came close to the "cdnuts protocol" and i found the forum. I have been reading this subforum close to two months prior to starting and posting.

This is how i reached the forum and that is my story so far, congratulations on the guys that took the time to post the success stories it means A LOT!

I am currently at 14th day of my water fasting and even though i have done water fasts in the past due to Crohn's disease however upon fasting i got symptoms unlike every fast in the past. [Inflated gyms, rushes on skin, dry mouth ALL the time, pulse(based on fitbit) way up in the morning and in the night as well] It's shocking the amount of damage this drug does to you.

Thanks!

[health]

2010 - 2013


Paroxetine

2014 - 2017


LSD


Steroids


Testosterone
Drostanolone
Mesterolone
hCG
Exemestane
Tamoxifen


Ayahuasca


Numerous official and off-label diets, supplements and therapies
Numerous blood tests and doctor's visits'

PFS, PSSD, & Accutane community found 4 months ago - by pure accident.
Never seen such good description of my sexual condition.

Since then:

Curcumin (standardized to 95% curcuminoids)
14 days [D] - 1400mg every day [ED]
Nothing life changing
Saint John's Wort
30 D - 450 mg every other day [EOD]
Better mood; no impact on sexuality
water fast
7 D
Better mood & skin; emotional opening; no impact on sexuality


I'm hoping for best but one thing I've learned during these years is to keep going in other life's dimensions - no matter health issues.
Any comments would be highly appreciated
Good luck, comrades

[ImpendingRecvry]

Hello fellow future recoverers and recoverers as well!

I don't want to bore you with my propecia story as each one of us has been there, but i'd like to provide some info on my case, been on propecia for 3 months then got the usual side effects ( you know them, loss of libido, complete numbness, loss of feeling, depression, the list goes on) stopped cold turkey and never looked back.

On those self loathing moments browsing for a solution i came accross CDnuts protocol in a different forum and i jumped on it blindly since August. It was the only protocol that made sense to me at that moment and still does.

My progress so far:

Starter August 2017 14 days water fast, 16 days juice feasting
Jumped on daily supplements, sleep supplements, Paleo and 19 of the 21 herbs ( Lost Empire Herbs do not sell Maral Root anymore and i am also unable to buy catuaba bark from Terravita as reccomended)
Not a gym buff so doing exactly the exercises cd mentions 4 days a week + 1 day HIIT
September to November did the herb rotation protocol
December my first run with Super R andro (30 days on 500MG)
Now i'm back on the herbs.
Can't wait for my second PH run.

I can say that i have been nearly 6 months on it and i've been reading you guys since the end of July and i feel i know you more or less and even though i didn't post, you guys have helped me tremendously! 6 months in i believe i have a solid understanding of the protocol and i feel i am able to post my thoughts and opinions and some questions as well! Glad to finally be here guys!

[Trump_1776]

What's up fellas.

I'm joining this site for obvious reasons, the others ones suck and are depressing. No one will recover with that mindset. Lurked here for a bit, noticed the positive vibes, thus here is where I'll set my roots.

I took propecia for a year and a couple months. After quitting, I was good in 30 days, but then crashed again. Its been about 7 months. I had gained weight, had lethargic attitude, and didn't feel like a man.
My girl and I broke it off recently, and I have begun my recovery in earnest. Herbs, working out, eating better, etc.

As it stands to date, erections are at say, 65-70%, while libido is slightly higher. But we all know libido ain't worth a damn if you can't perform, so something has to be done.

I currently cycle 3G Glycine, 1.5G Tribulus, and 150mg Niacin every day for 5 days, then cycle off two.
Currently in college so money is tight, and the warm spell with winter lately here has crushed what income I rely on for the winter, but I'll okay. Once I am comfortable financially, I will proceed to the pro-hormone cycle that's recommended.

Working on gains in the process.

[mike26]

Hey All,

I'll try to keep it short. I have taken Propecia 1 MG for 24 days, quite due to side effects, was not warned by the doctor or anyone of PFS. I'm 10 weeks off Propecia, two week ago, I was able to have normal intercourse, but over the last week my erections have slowly come soft, with lower libido. I have been having better, and worse days over the course of 10 weeks. Somedays I have brain fog, others not. I have done massive amounts of research, and found the only thing that has a possible chance of working but very hard is the CDnuts protocol. I have not found the exact protocol anywhere, can someone lead me to what the protocol consist of?

[Damn]

Hey All,

I'll try to keep it short. I have taken Propecia 1 MG for 24 days, quite due to side effects, was not warned by the doctor or anyone of PFS. I'm 10 weeks off Propecia, two week ago, I was able to have normal intercourse, but over the last week my erections have slowly come soft, with lower libido. I have been having better, and worse days over the course of 10 weeks. Somedays I have brain fog, others not. I have done massive amounts of research, and found the only thing that has a possible chance of working but very hard is the CDnuts protocol. I have not found the exact protocol anywhere, can someone lead me to what the protocol consist of?

It's all laid out on totalmaleoptimization.com. Advice at this point is to just get to it and don't spend time worrying about it. Odds are very high you'll be fine quickly (likely better than you were before with the lifestyle changes)...worrying about it only serves to significantly reduce those odds.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey All,

I'll try to keep it short. I have taken Propecia 1 MG for 24 days, quite due to side effects, was not warned by the doctor or anyone of PFS. I'm 10 weeks off Propecia, two week ago, I was able to have normal intercourse, but over the last week my erections have slowly come soft, with lower libido. I have been having better, and worse days over the course of 10 weeks. Somedays I have brain fog, others not. I have done massive amounts of research, and found the only thing that has a possible chance of working but very hard is the CDnuts protocol. I have not found the exact protocol anywhere, can someone lead me to what the protocol consist of?

Welcome.

I've pm'ed you the info you need.

Also, do yourself a favor and read the "stickies" section in this section of the forum.

Any questions, start a thread in the PFS section

[BrianRecovers]

Wassup everone

[Danny]

Hi everyone i am new here.

https://www.cashyourskills.com/

[LetsGo]

Hey guys. I’m not 100% sure if I have PFS, but I’ve had some symptoms since I started it 10 years ago (I quit 3 years later.)

I’m 35 now, and I’m looking to make some improvements and hopefully go from “functional” to great.

[JBG]

Hey Guys,

I've been here for a little while and decided that it was time to make an account. All the usual stuff. After taking the drug for 3 months, I noticed I was unable to perform sexually one night out of the blue. For two weeks leading up to this, I had many flu like symptoms and lethargy. I knew it was the finasteride and stopped immediately.

I never had any crash per se, however my symptoms got worse over the next few weeks. Brain fog, zero libido, anxiety, ball ache etc. I started taking clomid and this has helped significantly with the brain fog and lethargy. Today (6 weeks after stopping) my Libido fluctuates from 0/10 to about a 2/10. I went from being hypersexual, sleeping with a new girl almost every weekend to hardly desiring females at all, which at 27 years old is a huge blow.

I've started cycling the herbs, on a ketogenic diet at the moment and work out regularly. I used to competitively powerlift/bodybuild and the gym has always kept me happy during difficult times which I am thankful for.

I will do a juice feast over the coming weeks and stick to the program 100% thereafter.

It's been 6 weeks since I've come off and have definitely seen improvements in the mental department, just suffering from a nonexistent libido. Hopefully with sticking to the program, this changes over the coming months/years.

Thanks for all the positivity on here guys.

Cheers,

J

[ncsugrad2002]

Hey guys,

New guy here.. 34 years, I've been over at the "other" forum for a while reading about how there was nothing that would help us long term, so I am glad to at least find some people that are positive about getting better.

My story is similar to just about everyone else's here. I took finasteride from something like 2012 to 2016 and saw my hair line pause about where it was at that point. It didn't really get any better, but didn't get any worse either. Then in 2016 I decided since I didn't really have any issues on fin that I was OK to try the stronger stuff... Dutasteride. I was on that from 2016 to early 2018.

Then in 2018, after cycling on/off/on/off in a short period of time, I started having major sexual sensitivity issues--nothing felt as good as it should. I've been lucky to have minimal mental sides, but the sexual ones certainly suck too.

Anyways--I'm going to start a thread with the longer version of my story, but the basics are the same as you guys have seen 100x over. I just wanted to introduce myself.

Thanks,

[saucyjack]

Hi all,
Am 47 year old guy from UK.
Took Fintraside from early February 2019 for around ten days.
Stopped around a week ago and its been one of the worst weeks of my life.
All major side effects have been present, ED, balls aching, paranoia, tearful, anxiety etc.
I was desperate and scared.
Finding this site.. /forum has been almost biblical..... A real highway to heaven moment in the darkest of hours.
At a low point I told my partner, if this didn't get better I wouldn't live through it. That's the depression talking of course, but the instruction to STICK TO SUCCESS Stories, no matter how simple is the thing that's help me so far.
So many truly inspirational guys in here and I thank you all
Am on day three of cold shower treatment and herbs in post.
Am gonna beat this fuckin thing

[petty3112]

Hey everyone,

I’ve been lurking here for a few days and thought I’d create an account, as I’m not sure if I have full-blown PFS (yet) but have certainly exhibited certain symptoms. My timeline seems a little atypical compared to other experiences I’ve read about.

Background: I’m a 27-year-old guy who had previously been pretty healthy – clean diet and have worked out pretty consistently for several years now. Diet has been good since a 3-month try at keto in 2017.

My story: In November 2018, I recognized some rather aggressive hair loss at the temples and top of head and became pretty concerned. Went to see a dermatologist and he prescribed me Dutasteride, giving me the usual reassurance that only a small percentage of users experienced side effects and that they would go away after quitting. Did a little extra research on the Tressless Reddit and didn’t find anything overly alarming so I started popping the pill; thus, my journey began.

While I was taking the pill, I didn’t notice many side effects other than watery semen. I took the pill daily for just under a month but quit about a week ago when I started reading up on the long-term side effects on sites like HairLossTalk. Got freaked out and quit cold-turkey (I read afterwards that this was a mistake). Once I quit, I almost immediately started feeling the typical effects: shrunken genitals, zero libido or ability to even get an erection, anxiety, insomnia, depression for the first time in my life. I physically winced at loud noises and bright lights. The other day, I stayed in bed for half a day and did literally nothing. Admittedly, this may have been caused by going down the rabbit hole at sites like PropeciaHelp. I thought my life was over. Eventually, I stumbled upon one poster on one thread on HLT adamantly telling another poster to look up the CDNuts protocol, and that’s what brought me here.

I’ve read that many people who quit feel an initial bounce-back after quitting, and it’s very possible that I’m going through that right now. Penis size has seemed to rebound a bit – haven’t done a check in a few days to see if I can get it up or not. Libido is still non-existent.

Still, I’m concerned about eventually hitting the dreaded crash. Dutasteride supposedly has a long half-life compared to Finasteride, so I’m just kind of expecting it to happen at some point. It might be weeks, it might be months. If my current symptoms with my “mini-crash” are as bad as it gets, I would consider myself extremely lucky.

So that’s where I’m at. Since most posters here seem to have been Finasteride users, I’m not sure if my experience will be markedly different. I’m curious if the protocol can help stave off or at least lessen the impact of the crash – thoughts? I’ve also read that the crash is thought to be caused by the body overcompensating and reflooding the system with DHT, throwing everything out of whack. Is there any danger in starting the protocol now, and risk piling on more testosterone if the body is already trying to get itself right?

[Cdsnuts]

Hey everyone,

I’ve been lurking here for a few days and thought I’d create an account, as I’m not sure if I have full-blown PFS (yet) but have certainly exhibited certain symptoms. My timeline seems a little atypical compared to other experiences I’ve read about.

Background: I’m a 27-year-old guy who had previously been pretty healthy – clean diet and have worked out pretty consistently for several years now. Diet has been good since a 3-month try at keto in 2017.

My story: In November 2018, I recognized some rather aggressive hair loss at the temples and top of head and became pretty concerned. Went to see a dermatologist and he prescribed me Dutasteride, giving me the usual reassurance that only a small percentage of users experienced side effects and that they would go away after quitting. Did a little extra research on the Tressless Reddit and didn’t find anything overly alarming so I started popping the pill; thus, my journey began.

While I was taking the pill, I didn’t notice many side effects other than watery semen. I took the pill daily for just under a month but quit about a week ago when I started reading up on the long-term side effects on sites like HairLossTalk. Got freaked out and quit cold-turkey (I read afterwards that this was a mistake). Once I quit, I almost immediately started feeling the typical effects: shrunken genitals, zero libido or ability to even get an erection, anxiety, insomnia, depression for the first time in my life. I physically winced at loud noises and bright lights. The other day, I stayed in bed for half a day and did literally nothing. Admittedly, this may have been caused by going down the rabbit hole at sites like PropeciaHelp. I thought my life was over. Eventually, I stumbled upon one poster on one thread on HLT adamantly telling another poster to look up the CDNuts protocol, and that’s what brought me here.

I’ve read that many people who quit feel an initial bounce-back after quitting, and it’s very possible that I’m going through that right now. Penis size has seemed to rebound a bit – haven’t done a check in a few days to see if I can get it up or not. Libido is still non-existent.

Still, I’m concerned about eventually hitting the dreaded crash. Dutasteride supposedly has a long half-life compared to Finasteride, so I’m just kind of expecting it to happen at some point. It might be weeks, it might be months. If my current symptoms with my “mini-crash” are as bad as it gets, I would consider myself extremely lucky.

So that’s where I’m at. Since most posters here seem to have been Finasteride users, I’m not sure if my experience will be markedly different. I’m curious if the protocol can help stave off or at least lessen the impact of the crash – thoughts? I’ve also read that the crash is thought to be caused by the body overcompensating and reflooding the system with DHT, throwing everything out of whack. Is there any danger in starting the protocol now, and risk piling on more testosterone if the body is already trying to get itself right?

Welcome. Everything you need is here.

Seeing as this is the intro section, I'm not going to get OT, so please if you have questions, ask them in the Post Finasteride section here: Post Finasteride Syndrome (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=47). Also, if you haven't already, please read ALL of the stickies before asking questions.

[jonson5]

hi every one i am new here


http://www.glowitself.com/

[DKnighten]

I never made an introductory post so here it is.

My name is Damon, I'm 25 years old, I'm a physical therapy graduate student in northern Georgia. I took a single 1mg pill on October 23rd 2018. I am over 8 months post crash. When I took the pill, within 4-5 hours I felt like I was high, very spacey feeling. It was a high that I never came down from. Progressed into hard brain fog, like there was a disconnect between my eyes and the world, reading was almost impossible.

Over the following months symptoms progressed:

-an overall generalized weakness in my body, like I wasn't firmly rooted within myself. I have always enjoyed exercising and lifting weights, but the thought of doing anything physical was completely daunting.
-lost the inner voice in my head that helps you navigate everything, the one that helps you read, gives you confidence, reinforces good things.
- insomnia, racing mind and seeing wild patterns and colors when my eyes were closed, like an LSD trip or something
- structural penile changes, can bend dick pretty much any kind of way
- overarching cognitive/perceptual "shift" that is constant, like there's a filter between you and the world, best described as drunk and lost in the woods
- intense anxiety and depression
- constant falling asleep of hands, arms, feet
- horrible dark circles under eyes
- cracking and weak joints
- small, grayish, flaccid penis
- rubbery shrunk penis
- trouble healing even the slightest wounds
- transition from very oily skin on face and back to hardly any oil production
- facial changes
- higher pitched voice
- constant stomach rumbling and chronic horrible, chemical-smell gas
Within the past 2-3 months:
- changes in vascularity, the veins are like further away from the skin it seems, they have a more gray and distant appearance. Very strange.
-complete softening/aromitization of body
- burning and enlarged nipples
- burning skin all over
- rubbery, pale skin on entire body
- thinning and graying of entire pubic, body, eyebrows, eyelash hair
- change of texture in head hair, some gray hairs developing
- total muscle wastage, was gradual but completely vanished in a period of 2-3 weeks
- more food and supplement reactions - the worst make me mentally feel like i'm in a video game or movie
- wrinkly, stretchy skin over entire body with little subcutaneous fat "lumps"
- freezing limbs, even when sweating or exercising, my hands and arms will be very cold
- numb, painful hands and feet
- twitching and shaking muscles. Abdominal muscles have visually been shaking and in a state of tetanus for around 3 weeks now, just from walking 20 minutes a day. --At rest, arm and shoulder muscles have a very steady, rapid shake
- complete change in body odor, now a much more musky and sweeter smell
- total muscle loss on body, rubbery fat accumulation around lower abdomen and hips
- more sensitive teeth and gums
- vivid dreams every single night for months
- inability to feel enjoyment, relaxation, or contentment
-watery semen

Please note I am not trying to measure dicks here, just documenting my experience with this nightmare. I have been hit with the kitchen sink of symptoms and there is nothing I haven't experienced to date, and it is all at once. Very little has improved. I just wanted to introduce myself formally (or informally, rather) and list the things I've experienced due to taking the drug. It is so crazy to me that a single 1mg pill has caused such extreme damage, but for whatever reason I had a system set to be broken. I hope to recover fully some day. Thank you CD for the forum and everyone else for the positive encouragement, even though I ask a lot of questions.

[DKnighten]

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This is what your boy used to look like.... I want it back.

[finvic]

I've been a lurker for over a year. I'm a 27 year old male who has been going through this pfs garbage since 2013. Not going to go into it too much because it is seen over and over again here and every other pfs site. I've gotten most of the pfs side effects, except, thankfully, ED. I have felt almost no progress since day one except after being strict on THE regimen, especially the diet. I did the water fast for one week at home because I was a broke college student at the time with resistance from my entire family. Originally, I would just feel like lying around depressed all day. Now, years later, I will have days of energy consecutive energy like preFS. Still have down days but I appreciate that the good days will very likely come when I do not break whatsoever on the diet/regimen. I have read every post in this section and will probably start a topic very soon.

[Cdsnuts]

I've been a lurker for over a year. I'm a 27 year old male who has been going through this pfs garbage since 2013. Not going to go into it too much because it is seen over and over again here and every other pfs site. I've gotten most of the pfs side effects, except, thankfully, ED. I have felt almost no progress since day one except after being strict on THE regimen, especially the diet. I did the water fast for one week at home because I was a broke college student at the time with resistance from my entire family. Originally, I would just feel like lying around depressed all day. Now, years later, I will have days of energy consecutive energy like preFS. Still have down days but I appreciate that the good days will very likely come when I do not break whatsoever on the diet/regimen. I have read every post in this section and will probably start a topic very soon.

Welcome

[Karlucchi]

I've had PFS for 5 years now. In the beginning I had some bad moments where I crashed pretty hard and battled with bad anxiety. I've since recovered pretty dramatically from those early days and now my only symptom is just having a low libido. I'm 28 and in pretty good shape, work out regularly and feel pretty good about myself and my life all things considered. I'm pretty much at the point where I've accepted that I may never get my libido back and I'm ok with it. Reading the success other members have had, I figured it was time to give fully recovering another shot, stop being a lurker and actually introduce myself. I'm going to begin a cycle of AndroHard Transdermal and see how it works for me.

Two things I'm concerned about are,
-Getting suppressed from the cycle and recovering back to normal when its over
-Losing all my hair from the stuff. (I know its stupid but I look good with hair and don't want to lose it)

If you have any advice please let me know

[Cdsnuts]

I've had PFS for 5 years now. In the beginning I had some bad moments where I crashed pretty hard and battled with bad anxiety. I've since recovered pretty dramatically from those early days and now my only symptom is just having a low libido. I'm 28 and in pretty good shape, work out regularly and feel pretty good about myself and my life all things considered. I'm pretty much at the point where I've accepted that I may never get my libido back and I'm ok with it. Reading the success other members have had, I figured it was time to give fully recovering another shot, stop being a lurker and actually introduce myself. I'm going to begin a cycle of AndroHard Transdermal and see how it works for me.

Two things I'm concerned about are,
-Getting suppressed from the cycle and recovering back to normal when its over
-Losing all my hair from the stuff. (I know its stupid but I look good with hair and don't want to lose it)

If you have any advice please let me know

Welcome.

I was going to type out a long drawn out response, but you said you were a lurker, so then I stopped. Are familiar with the protocol? I ask because these questions have been answered ad nauseum......

[Karlucchi]

Yeah I'm familiar with the protocol. Today I read a couple threads that answered many of my questions. As the days go on, I'll keep reading more as I'm sure there is a lot of information in them all.
I'm not going to spam this thread with anything else as I just wanted to introduce myself. I'll probably start a new thread to log how my first cycle goes. I'm excited to give it a try because I do think I'm at least 2/3 of the way recovered. I think my digestive and mental sides are pretty well handled at this point and I'm hoping that the prohormones help with the last bit.
Androhard should get here Wednesday.

[Cdsnuts]

Yeah I'm familiar with the protocol. Today I read a couple threads that answered many of my questions. As the days go on, I'll keep reading more as I'm sure there is a lot of information in them all.
I'm not going to spam this thread with anything else as I just wanted to introduce myself. I'll probably start a new thread to log how my first cycle goes. I'm excited to give it a try because I do think I'm at least 2/3 of the way recovered. I think my digestive and mental sides are pretty well handled at this point and I'm hoping that the prohormones help with the last bit.
Androhard should get here Wednesday.

It definitely will. Feel free to start a log

[Yankees52]

Hey all,

So i started and stopped finasteride a few times over this past year. Never taking it for longer then 5 days but that obviously doesnt matter. Took my last pill 4 weeks ago, started crashing a week later. Feels like i keep getting worse as far as symptoms. I have terrible brain frog, anedonia, sexual sides etc. but the worst is im worried about the physical sides. This morning i woke up with a mark under my breast and ive heard that people grow fatty deposits. Im wondering has anyonce experienced this? Im going to order the herbs for the protocol today but is there anyway to stop this slow crash or am i screwed? Thanks

[Yankees52]

Also, i recently hit my head while working out and think braing fog got a little worse and im nervous. Does anyone know if this will affect my recovery? Dont mean to spam this chain im just nervous and would like some guidance/help

[Cdsnuts]

Also, i recently hit my head while working out and think braing fog got a little worse and im nervous. Does anyone know if this will affect my recovery? Dont mean to spam this chain im just nervous and would like some guidance/help

Please start a new thread. This thread is for introductions only.

[Turnover25]

Decided it was time to finally become a member here.

I've been lurking here for a few months. I haven't joined because I think I was scared. Joining the site and finally posting would solidify what has been happening to me for the past 4 months. I think not joining somewhat allowed me to ignore my fate. Recently I've realized that there is no escaping this hell without reaching out for help, so here I am.

I'm a completely normal dude. Played sports throughout my adolescent life, a musician, had friends and a life, used to be a Marine. There was nothing wrong with me, physically or mentally. About a year back, I started to become anxious about my hair starting to fall out. I saw some dumbass add for a hairless drug and decided to give it a try. Had horrible side effects. I remember sitting in class on about the 3rd day of taking it, and it looked like I had just taken a shower with my clothes on. I stood up in front of the class and walked out because I was drenched my own sweat. Im talking drenched. And the anxiety was out of this world. So, I decided to stop taking it. The side effects went away. A year later, I decided to start up again. This time, the side effects were just as real, but it was different. There was an added effect that we call "brain fog" so I decided to quit. Well, that shit never stopped. Then, I was greeted with a nice set of panic attacks, anxiety, depression, and lost the ability to get my dick hard (I don't struggle very much in this department).

My journey since then has been nothing short of a nightmare. It began with a complete loss of reality. My depersonalization was so bad that I felt like I was in a completely different world. I didn't recognize myself in the mirror. Watching the TV gave me migraines and made my head buzz. Sounds would float around my head in every which direction instead of my ears just gathering the sound. It was like a fucking acid trip. This still happens periodically. I remember after I crashed, it felt like someone poured hot lava down the top of my skull and the liquid was moving around in my head.

As of today, my symptoms are complete memory loss (there are days where I literally don't know where the fuck I am or how I got there) it's like nothing exists or has ever existed except this very second. Then, said second leaves and I'm in the next second. Also, a brain fog that isn't as severe as it used to be, but everything in my vision looks weird as fuck. It's like everything is in 2D, and someone turned the contrast up to high. Bright lights make it worse and make my head buzz. So does driving, TV, or using my cell phone. Anyone ever experience this?

Also, anxiety and panic attacks at the slightest exposure of stress. I'm a college student now, so sitting in class gives me plenty of these. Looking at formulas trying to figure them out (I'm a finance major) makes me freak out inside. I used to be very strong with math.

I've been laughed at by doctors, my family has completely left me in the dark and told me "We're sick of hearing about it, just get better already and stop worrying about it" and I haven't reached out to my friends because of how stupid I sound trying to tell them a hairless drug has completely stolen my life from me. I never thought I would ever be in a position like this, it is literal hell. I contemplate suicide often, though not as much as I used to when it began, but still.

Recently I decided to begin the protocol, I did a 7 day juice feast and actually noticed that my thoughts cleared up a bit. I felt pretty good coming out of it, the only issue is that I struggle with alcohol addiction, and for some reason red wine makes me feel better for a few days (anything else makes me crash), so I think I have ruined my progress because I relapsed several times since my juice feast just a couple weeks ago, (don't judge, pathetic I know).

So now, I plan on doing a water fast in the next week or so, then really doing this thing full force. I thought I would reach out to this community because god knows I need it. I don't know where I'd be having not found this community.

Finally, not all days have been bad. Yeah, I've been stuck in a constant brain fog for 4 months, I've felt the anxiety and derealization most of the time, but there have been good days, and I have learned a lot from this already. I believe there is a cure, and I'm not going to quit. Thanks for reading this if you did.

[Yus]

Decided it was time to finally become a member here.

I've been lurking here for a few months. I haven't joined because I think I was scared. Joining the site and finally posting would solidify what has been happening to me for the past 4 months. I think not joining somewhat allowed me to ignore my fate. Recently I've realized that there is no escaping this hell without reaching out for help, so here I am.

I'm a completely normal dude. Played sports throughout my adolescent life, a musician, had friends and a life, used to be a Marine. There was nothing wrong with me, physically or mentally. About a year back, I started to become anxious about my hair starting to fall out. I saw some dumbass add for a hairless drug and decided to give it a try. Had horrible side effects. I remember sitting in class on about the 3rd day of taking it, and it looked like I had just taken a shower with my clothes on. I stood up in front of the class and walked out because I was drenched my own sweat. Im talking drenched. And the anxiety was out of this world. So, I decided to stop taking it. The side effects went away. A year later, I decided to start up again. This time, the side effects were just as real, but it was different. There was an added effect that we call "brain fog" so I decided to quit. Well, that shit never stopped. Then, I was greeted with a nice set of panic attacks, anxiety, depression, and lost the ability to get my dick hard (I don't struggle very much in this department).

My journey since then has been nothing short of a nightmare. It began with a complete loss of reality. My depersonalization was so bad that I felt like I was in a completely different world. I didn't recognize myself in the mirror. Watching the TV gave me migraines and made my head buzz. Sounds would float around my head in every which direction instead of my ears just gathering the sound. It was like a fucking acid trip. This still happens periodically. I remember after I crashed, it felt like someone poured hot lava down the top of my skull and the liquid was moving around in my head.

As of today, my symptoms are complete memory loss (there are days where I literally don't know where the fuck I am or how I got there) it's like nothing exists or has ever existed except this very second. Then, said second leaves and I'm in the next second. Also, a brain fog that isn't as severe as it used to be, but everything in my vision looks weird as fuck. It's like everything is in 2D, and someone turned the contrast up to high. Bright lights make it worse and make my head buzz. So does driving, TV, or using my cell phone. Anyone ever experience this?

Also, anxiety and panic attacks at the slightest exposure of stress. I'm a college student now, so sitting in class gives me plenty of these. Looking at formulas trying to figure them out (I'm a finance major) makes me freak out inside. I used to be very strong with math.

I've been laughed at by doctors, my family has completely left me in the dark and told me "We're sick of hearing about it, just get better already and stop worrying about it" and I haven't reached out to my friends because of how stupid I sound trying to tell them a hairless drug has completely stolen my life from me. I never thought I would ever be in a position like this, it is literal hell. I contemplate suicide often, though not as much as I used to when it began, but still.

Recently I decided to begin the protocol, I did a 7 day juice feast and actually noticed that my thoughts cleared up a bit. I felt pretty good coming out of it, the only issue is that I struggle with alcohol addiction, and for some reason red wine makes me feel better for a few days (anything else makes me crash), so I think I have ruined my progress because I relapsed several times since my juice feast just a couple weeks ago, (don't judge, pathetic I know).

So now, I plan on doing a water fast in the next week or so, then really doing this thing full force. I thought I would reach out to this community because god knows I need it. I don't know where I'd be having not found this community.

Finally, not all days have been bad. Yeah, I've been stuck in a constant brain fog for 4 months, I've felt the anxiety and derealization most of the time, but there have been good days, and I have learned a lot from this already. I believe there is a cure, and I'm not going to quit. Thanks for reading this if you did.


Hey man, sounds like you got it rough, really sorry to hear.. As everyone says - Stick to the protocol, and you'll be free!

[barbaar]

Hey guys, after years of fucking around looking for a silver bullet I decided to sign up here and fully commit to CD's protocol. I guess I'm not the typical PFS sufferer, as my poison was an SSRI called citalopram which I took for severe anxiety and depression. It helped, but helped a little too well. I was stripped of all my emotions, libido, and what little drive I had etc., you know how it goes, won't bore you with the details lol. I got PSSD. This was back in 2015, and over the years my life has become sort of livable again either due to time or all the random shit I tried. I still have no libido, ED, and emotional numbness and anhedonia but I'm mostly functional in day to day life otherwise. It's not fun however and I wasted enough time in this state, time to fix it.

I'm currently on day 2 of my juice feast, have ordered a ton of herbs (RIP wallet) and other required items. I think exercise is going to be the hardest part for me to get right since I'm pretty out of shape and was never a big sports person. I have gone to the gym for months at a time, following a program they made for me there but never really saw results. Oh well, I'll just have to suck it up and do it.

Also I hope it's ok that I'm posting here since I technically don't have PFS, but PSSD. I'm on hackstasis too but I felt this is the better place for people doing CD's protocol.

[mcbbould]

I have the same vision/perception issues as you. It’s no fun.

[kayiel]

Hello everybody,

I'm Michael, I'm 31 years old, I live in Switzerland (sorry for my english by the way).

I took finasteride during June-July 2018, for approximatively 45 days. Start crashing in September, got really really bad in February this year.

At first I did not understood what happend, I never link that to finasteride because I was not thinking that much of that drug. I had a burn-out in 2015, so I was thinking maybe it is just a bad time, but it was different - different in the way that I felt weird in my all body, i remember telling my doctor : I am going down, but this time it is weird, I feel my all body is falling appart. The side effects for me are : weird feeling in the muscle of my body, the legs, the arms, my back hurt, sometimes terrible headache, anxiety, a lot of anxiety, a feeling of my neck "burning" (hard to explain), depression, fatigue, insomnia, lost of libido. Fortunalety for me, I still can control erection, having some erection by itself during the night, but never when I wake up,

Then in March, by chance, i fall into an article talking about the side effects of finasteride, I was scared, confused and felt like I knew instantly why I went wrong a month after taking the pills. Then I went to mister google, searching, reading, scarying myself more and more...

I kinda blame myself tooking those pills.

Then, I start looking for remedy, I went to doctors (all of them were clear about the fact that the med cannot have so many bad things on me) - to cut it short, I quickly started to feel stuck, stuck in this hell for life, from what I was reading and from what doctors told me, I even, at some point, convinced myself that it was not possible. Well... I quickly start to realize that I could not ignore the way my body felt.

I discover the website and the forum last night. After month without searching and reaching for answers, I fall on a video on youtube and get into the comments section, a boy was talking about the forum and my curiosity lead me here.

First of all, congratulations to all of you who succed following the protocole. Also, good luck to all the ones who are in the middle of it and stick to it :).

There is still a lot of questions in my head, this is a lot of informations to take in over a night but I will try my best to fight this shit.

Some days are better than others to me, i already stopped month ago Gluten and Coca and everything unhealthy, but still a lot of stuff to change to get to the recovery.

But first thing first, I am already so happy to read here and there that some boys fully recovered, I think a state of mind can change everything, so the first thing I have to fight at this point is the anxiety of the all thing, even writing F-i-n-a-s-t-e-r-i-d-e is hard for me, i feel like it's an obsession since March, and everyday I wake up and scan in my head my all body to check if something changed.

However, new area start now, I will go to the market to get stuff for the fasting and make a change.

[slader1]

Hi all!

I have had pfs since 2011 and tried various therapies. I feel I am about 75% recovered and want to finally reach the 100% that I see many from this board have!

For the past few years I have mostly been sticking to Ray Peat eating and hormones like dhea and progesterone. I don't feel I have made enough progress the past year or so, so I want to give Cdsnuts' program a go!

I have lately stopped taking thyroid hormone, to see how I am at baseline again. I also want to ween myself back down to a normal amount of coffee. I have a habit of drinking upwards of 6 cups in a day! This isn't good for someone suffering from anxiety and nerve pain like me.

I am suffering from nerve and joint pain (which improves upon eating liver), neckaches (which have gotten worse since stopping thyroid hormone), and a pretty bad anxiety. I have had many panic attacks, to the point where I have learned to live with almost constant anxiety. The things that help most with my anxiety are progesterone (which lowers my libido if taken too often), 5a-dhp (a derivative of progesterone which gives me headaches), dhea ( a precursor to dht which makes me irritable). Recently I found that drinking black-tea actually helps lower my anxiety considerably, which is weird because black tea is a 5-ar inhibitor. It lowers my anxiety but also makes me tired and lowers sex drive.

I am also wondering if I shouldn't attempt to go paleo. Eating lots of sugar and carbs with milk and Orange Juice helped give me energy and slow hair-loss, but it doesn't seem to be very good for my anxiety. I have heard of other people get anxiety from eating sugar. The problem is that now my metabolism is very fast, when I attempt to get by without eating carbs, I become grumpy and more anxious. I also have to drink coffee with sugar, and I have been a 6 cup a day drinker for a few years now. I now if I am going to go paleo from here, I am going to need to ween back on the coffee, and maybe only drink one per day or so.

Anyways, I am trying to look forward to the next stage in my journey, and to hopefully and finally get back to 100% after all these years!

[covfefe42]

Hey guys,

I'm new here, was on Finasteride for 2 years with no sides, then switched to Dutasteride for a month, got sides, came off and got PFS (fuck). Symptoms aren't too bad compared to some of the stories I've seen. Mainly just insomnia (started off not able to sleep at all, now able to sleep 6-7 hours a night but wake up several times throughout), low libido, low energy, and digestive issues/constipation. Also have seen some penile changes such as more veins, etc.

Hoping to recover by following this protocol. I'm not sure if this protocol is legit yet, despite all of the recovery stories (was on Propecia help for a while before coming here, where a lot of people were skeptical of the protocol), but I'm going to trust in the process 100% because I have no other options.

So far have been following a Paleo diet (mostly meat, vegetables, and fruit), hitting the gym 3x/week, and preparing to start my first juice cleanse! Let's go!!

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys,

I'm new here, was on Finasteride for 2 years with no sides, then switched to Dutasteride for a month, got sides, came off and got PFS (fuck). Symptoms aren't too bad compared to some of the stories I've seen. Mainly just insomnia (started off not able to sleep at all, now able to sleep 6-7 hours a night but wake up several times throughout), low libido, low energy, and digestive issues/constipation. Also have seen some penile changes such as more veins, etc.

Hoping to recover by following this protocol. I'm not sure if this protocol is legit yet, despite all of the recovery stories (was on Propecia help for a while before coming here, where a lot of people were skeptical of the protocol), but I'm going to trust in the process 100% because I have no other options.

So far have been following a Paleo diet (mostly meat, vegetables, and fruit), hitting the gym 3x/week, and preparing to start my first juice cleanse! Let's go!!

You're not sure if it's legit despite the recoveries? Do you think these guys who post recovery stories are running some long con game?

I can tell you the people over there who are skeptical are skeptical for no reason at all. They have a lot to say despite not giving it a try. The guys who stick to the program and go all in are the ones who recover. It's fairly simple.

[covfefe42]

You're not sure if it's legit despite the recoveries? Do you think these guys who post recovery stories are running some long con game?

I can tell you the people over there who are skeptical are skeptical for no reason at all. They have a lot to say despite not giving it a try. The guys who stick to the program and go all in are the ones who recover. It's fairly simple.

Thanks for your response CD. Yea it's just hard to wrap my head around all these people suffering and killing themselves from PFS when there's a clear solution that they can follow. I guess you're right though that most people who are skeptical probably haven't tried it themselves.

Anyways, thanks for sharing your recovery protocol and giving us all some hope! Going to start a recovery log and commit 100% to this

[Bowsa]

Hey everyone, I’m new here and wanted to share my story. I was on Accutane starting at the age of 14 and began to feel the very Same side effects all of you Pfs sufferers have. About a month into taking this acne drug my orgasm completely disappeared, one day I was jerking off and had ejaculated but no orgasm came with it. There was no pleasure at the end and I was pretty concerned. At the time I had not realized this was from Accutane and continued on the drug for about 8 months. My symptoms only continued to get worse and toot only was orgasm gone but my penis had gone completely numb and had shrunk a bit. I confided in my doctor who prescribed me the drug and he told me all my symptoms would go away once the drug was out of my system. Well that guy was either an idiot or a liar because here I am 5 years later aged 19 still suffering from low libido numb genitals, no orgasm, depression, anxiety, brain fog, trouble staying hard or getting hard. These past few years have been a living hell and having my manhood taken away from me at such a young age when other guys my age think about nothing but sex was really tough on me. I was suicidal for a while wondering if life was even worth living anymore. I coped by smoking weed almost everyday for the past few years because I would rather be numbed by the weed then feel depressed all the time. Well I finally quit weed cold turkey about two weeks ago and am currently on day 6 of a 14 day water fast and at true north health center. I found Cdnits protocol about a year ago and plan on following his protocol to a T if it will help me even just a little bit. I had tried supplements in the past and had little to no results but I am now ready to fully commit to his protocol and get my life back t the way it once was. I want to feel like my life is worth living once again and I’m confident this protocol will help me. It’s good to see others have had success and I am excited to begin my journey to recovery and gain my zest for life back.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey everyone, I’m new here and wanted to share my story. I was on Accutane starting at the age of 14 and began to feel the very Same side effects all of you Pfs sufferers have. About a month into taking this acne drug my orgasm completely disappeared, one day I was jerking off and had ejaculated but no orgasm came with it. There was no pleasure at the end and I was pretty concerned. At the time I had not realized this was from Accutane and continued on the drug for about 8 months. My symptoms only continued to get worse and toot only was orgasm gone but my penis had gone completely numb and had shrunk a bit. I confided in my doctor who prescribed me the drug and he told me all my symptoms would go away once the drug was out of my system. Well that guy was either an idiot or a liar because here I am 5 years later aged 19 still suffering from low libido numb genitals, no orgasm, depression, anxiety, brain fog, trouble staying hard or getting hard. These past few years have been a living hell and having my manhood taken away from me at such a young age when other guys my age think about nothing but sex was really tough on me. I was suicidal for a while wondering if life was even worth living anymore. I coped by smoking weed almost everyday for the past few years because I would rather be numbed by the weed then feel depressed all the time. Well I finally quit weed cold turkey about two weeks ago and am currently on day 6 of a 14 day water fast and at true north health center. I found Cdnits protocol about a year ago and plan on following his protocol to a T if it will help me even just a little bit. I had tried supplements in the past and had little to no results but I am now ready to fully commit to his protocol and get my life back t the way it once was. I want to feel like my life is worth living once again and I’m confident this protocol will help me. It’s good to see others have had success and I am excited to begin my journey to recovery and gain my zest for life back.

Welcome .

You have found the right place and you're started the right way. True north is beautiful, isn't it? When you can walk, go behind the facility for a walk. there is a grave yard that dates back past the civil war.....pretty cool.

Why don't you start a post and we can converse there?

[Mineiro-up]

Hi guys! another soldier to beat this war of our lives! I'm Brazilian, so don't mind any english mistakes, ok?
My history is no different. I'm 33 year old, took finasteride in two periods of my life. First when I was 18, back then I took for only a month, and had no side effects at all, but anyway didn't feel good taking medicine everyday only for hairloss. Time passed and last year (already bald!) from an impulsive action I started again with finasteride, I took it for 2 months (July/August), by the end of the second month I was having sex and noticed a lower power on my erection, I immediately link to the poison and decided to quit it ride away. One day after that my dick died, causing me the biggest terror that I ever experienced, a sansation of life ruined, wich got even bigger after I went on internet and dyscovered the existence of PFS.

This first moment is the worst, since you know nothing that is happening with you, and all you have is missinformation on youtube, worst of all is the sensation of being robbed, stolen, since this is something real, that exist for a while and nobody has ever speaked about...anyway. With a little more search I found TMO, even before than findding PH. Read all over it, althoug without internalizing it. I immediately order all the herbs that I could find here in Brazil (about 30% from what sites recommends). The next two weeks, while I was waiting for my herbs I was on a Job Travel experiecing my simptoms, wich was: ED, no semem, braing fog, fatigue, waking up in the middle of the night scared and with accelerated beat, and all of this of course, brouth a little depression. Life goes on....

Herbs arrived and I jumped on it (mistaken). No change im my diet (wich was bad), no meditation, no wheitlifting, only running, and kept living. After two weeks rotating the herbs, my simptoms got better, and I experienced a spontaneus erection, making me happy like a teenager. After that day my confidence came back and I started back chating on tinder and pickin up girls. My libido was higher than before, and all I could think was fucking some pussy. This happiness standed until new years period, when I was not even thinking about PFS anymore, and on a day, out of nothing, got sucked into PFS's reality again. Once again I was experiecing that feeling of waking up in the middle of the night, and difficult on jerking off, etc. On Christmas, I remember being near a cousin of mine, very very fuckable, and I had all mental conditions to fuck her, but as my body was totally lazy, I didn't even tried...that made me sad, man.

Back on the researches, and having the experiences, I could conclude that all my past months had nothing to do with the Herbs, instead of that, was my body trying to balance the system once again, and then I got the new years crash, worst than the first one, sexual sides were the same, but sleep sided hitted bad, waking up with anxiety crisis and suicidal thoughts. (If you are experiecing suicidal thoughts, know something: THIS IS NOT YOU, it passes).

The year began and I got a 1st one priority in life, get better than I ever was. (the PFS made me think that I never was the best version of my self, even before take finasteride I kind of neglected my potential as a man and also as a human being - that reflection was good!) Spent almost this 2 months on forums, doing researches and reflecting wich way to go, also buying all products thas someone claimed be good for them. I went to an endocrinologist wich recommend some stuff (at least she was a PFS believer). She gave me Clomid + Proviron + Ashwaganda + Rhodiola rosea + keto diet. I went with clomid and proviron for 2 weeks, than dropped it off. Since end January I am basically on:
- Diet: eating meat, green leafs, bone broth, ghee (Ozephs diet) I was with the idea of fix the gut and fix PFS, but now I know that is one part of the process.
- Exercices: HIIT, wheighlifting, runnig - all moderate, but everyday
- Avoiding: no pharmaceuticals, no gluten, no suggar.
- Suplement: 1 pill of Forskolin waking up, 1 pill of GABA before Sleep
- Other tricks: Meditating (not only, but mobilizing "energy" (chi, prana...you name it)
- cold shower

Today is an important Day. Brazil is on its 1st day of Carnival, yes, a LOT of things going on the streets, but fuck that in a happy way, I'm on my 1st day whater fast so, and I intent to go until next saturday. Luckly, I will be in a job trip, alone, in a hotel payed by the company, with a very easy schedule do to. I'm supposed to do some work there, but very easy, may take 1 hour a day, since the hotel is near from the store that I have to look at. I intent do go fasting and relaxing this week. Question: do you guys thing is safe to have sauna while on fasting? I'm intent to.

Current Symptoms:

- Inability of getting aroused
- Parcial ED, I can get hard, but with some effort (despite i got conserned and i'm currently nofap)
- Having some erections while sleeping
- Lack of motivation of doing anything besides goig to work or making the protocol going (feeling of being stucked)
- Sleeping getting better and better (I can sleep a full night some days, while others I wake up and then go back to sleep - no more suicidal thoughts or heart palpitation)
- No noticeble congnitive issues
- I had some skin inflamations wich was gone since I'm on this 2 months on diet
- Have FUCKIN SUKEN EYES, looking older despite body looks very helthier because of the diet, since the crash I'm looking 10 years older, with my cheecks falling too


Next Steps:

- Have a great time fasting
- Refeed in the best way possible
- Start Herb Rotation after 1 week of refeeding
- Keep going only with the protocol TMO, nothing else. (My diet will get a lot easyer, since i was not eating fruit this 2 months because of the sugar)
- I wish I could go trough this without AndroHard, but time will tell. (don't wanna look like shwaznagger)

Wrote a lot, but I know, like me, its very good to read some felas experiences. Going throug this shit witch is PFS, a place like this became a refuge, a community temple where we can share our goings.
Thank you all very much.

[Bankai9000]

@Mineiro
Hah welcome here booi. Someone who gets it right and does some research thats fakin great. As you experienced the herbs are just one part of the protocol^^
I'd advise ya to open your own log, maybe copy pasta in there what you wrote already here.
Waterfast seems to help most people in the long run. I'm doing one myself right now ;D

[Queens1984]

Hi GUYS. I have been dealing with this for about 8 years now. Im giving it a full go with cd’s method of recovery. You guys are very positive. I’m still in shock what this drug can do and the crazy thoughts I have in my head but I have had moments when I feel good so I believe in a RECOVERY. Cdnuts you really are great trying 2 help people...

[xxaleksi]

Hi GUYS. I have been dealing with this for about 8 years now. Im giving it a full go with cd’s method of recovery. You guys are very positive. I’m still in shock what this drug can do and the crazy thoughts I have in my head but I have had moments when I feel good so I believe in a RECOVERY. Cdnuts you really are great trying 2 help people...

Welcome dude.

Read the protocol on Total Male Optimization (https://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/) multiple times until you know it like the back of your hand. Make sure you're doing all of the protocol and find something to distract yourself from the negative thoughts. They'll pass. Eventually you'll notice you've been feeling great for months. This has been my experience.

Best advice I can give you as someone who's doing really well.

[Cdsnuts]

Hi GUYS. I have been dealing with this for about 8 years now. Im giving it a full go with cd’s method of recovery. You guys are very positive. I’m still in shock what this drug can do and the crazy thoughts I have in my head but I have had moments when I feel good so I believe in a RECOVERY. Cdnuts you really are great trying 2 help people...

Thank you, and welcome.

You WILL recover if you stay steadfast on the protocol. You'll have ALOT of ups and downs but you will get there if you can stick it out.

Great words of wisdom from XXaleksi......

[Comewhatmay]

Hi Guys,

Before anything I would like to say a big thank you to Bankai9000 for introducing me to the TMO protocol which I have been reading over and over

I'm 29 and from London and I myself like a lot of you took finasteride for only 2 dosage spaced a day apart and the problem started the day after my second dosage. Issues such as ED, Insomnia and Anxiety and in the three weeks since I have had moment of potential recoveries followed by crashes.

I've stopped feeling sorry for myself and understand that I can beat this through hard work and dedication instead of waiting for a magical pill to cure me.

As I am currently observing ramadan my plan is to jump into water fasting in 3 weeks then refeed then paleo, exercise and so on.

I'm very glad to have found this forum as having been on the other side where it is all doom and gloom,over on this side there is more hope and light at the end of the tunnel

I don't expect the journey to be smooth sailing but I will always try to remember it's not where I am it's where I want to be

Thanks folks

[Cdsnuts]

Hi Guys,

Before anything I would like to say a big thank you to Bankai9000 for introducing me to the TMO protocol which I have been reading over and over

I'm 29 and from London and I myself like a lot of you took finasteride for only 2 dosage spaced a day apart and the problem started the day after my second dosage. Issues such as ED, Insomnia and Anxiety and in the three weeks since I have had moment of potential recoveries followed by crashes.

I've stopped feeling sorry for myself and understand that I can beat this through hard work and dedication instead of waiting for a magical pill to cure me.

As I am currently observing ramadan my plan is to jump into water fasting in 3 weeks then refeed then paleo, exercise and so on.

I'm very glad to have found this forum as having been on the other side where it is all doom and gloom,over on this side there is more hope and light at the end of the tunnel

I don't expect the journey to be smooth sailing but I will always try to remember it's not where I am it's where I want to be

Thanks folks

Seeing as you only took a few doses, you should be a quick case. I'm usually hesitant to say that because there are alot of variables, but if you're true to the process, you should make quick work of it.

[ethanrecovering]

Hi everyone, my name is Ethan and I'm 18 years old. I took fin at 17 from September 2019 to mid October 2019. I got sides and quit only to crash two weeks later in early November. My sides include the following: -facial wastage (sunken eyes and cheeks, smaller chin, fat loss, dark circles, wrinkles under eyes and around mouth, stretchier skin)
-muscle wastage (neck, arms, butt, etc)
-gum recession
-mild ed (takes longer to get rock hard but can still have sex)
-mild eye floaters (only visible sometimes)
-mild and occasional twitches, pain in fingers
-bloating
-mild fatigue
So yeah, my main issues I want gone as soon as possible are the facial changes and wastage, everything else I'm confident will recover. I've followed propeciahelp for the last six months and been sad, but I realized I need to just work on healing myself with this protocol and stop feeling bad for myself.

[Cdsnuts]

Hi everyone, my name is Ethan and I'm 18 years old. I took fin at 17 from September 2019 to mid October 2019. I got sides and quit only to crash two weeks later in early November. My sides include the following: -facial wastage (sunken eyes and cheeks, smaller chin, fat loss, dark circles, wrinkles under eyes and around mouth, stretchier skin)
-muscle wastage (neck, arms, butt, etc)
-gum recession
-mild ed (takes longer to get rock hard but can still have sex)
-mild eye floaters (only visible sometimes)
-mild and occasional twitches, pain in fingers
-bloating
-mild fatigue
So yeah, my main issues I want gone as soon as possible are the facial changes and wastage, everything else I'm confident will recover. I've followed propeciahelp for the last six months and been sad, but I realized I need to just work on healing myself with this protocol and stop feeling bad for myself.

Welcome. You're going to be fine. You're young, you're virile and you're going to knock this out. BELIEVE ME. Stay away from Propecia help and those other sites. They do nothing but tell you what CAN'T be done and how fucked you are. Not even the case. You'll be fine. Follow the protocol as best you can, I say that because of your age....Even if you don't have the money for the herbs, their are plenty of things you can do to swing things in your favore simply based on your youth.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE FINE

I Bet you get healed from a good fast or juice feast actually. Do one of those if you can without arousing suspicion.....you'll be fine

[ethanrecovering]

Welcome. You're going to be fine. You're young, you're virile and you're going to knock this out. BELIEVE ME. Stay away from Propecia help and those other sites. They do nothing but tell you what CAN'T be done and how fucked you are. Not even the case. You'll be fine. Follow the protocol as best you can, I say that because of your age....Even if you don't have the money for the herbs, their are plenty of things you can do to swing things in your favore simply based on your youth.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE FINE

I Bet you get healed from a good fast or juice feast actually. Do one of those if you can without arousing suspicion.....you'll be fine

Thank you for the reply Cdsnuts! It's made me feel a lot better. Yeah hopefully the process works for me, I'm feeling optimistic. I'm gonna really force myself to stick with this, and I'll see if I can get a job soon to buy the herbs.
You really think just a fast could heal me, even with the face and muscle issues? That'd be incredible.
Thanks again. -Ethan

[Cdsnuts]

Thank you for the reply Cdsnuts! It's made me feel a lot better. Yeah hopefully the process works for me, I'm feeling optimistic. I'm gonna really force myself to stick with this, and I'll see if I can get a job soon to buy the herbs.
You really think just a fast could heal me, even with the face and muscle issues? That'd be incredible.
Thanks again. -Ethan

The process always works....you're the one that has to add the work part. I feel for you bro. Too young to be dealing with this. Do yourself a favor and listen close.....YOU are the only one who is going to get you out of this. The sooner you get on this, the quicker it will be over. Does anyone in your family know, or are you too embarrassed to say anything to them? I ask because it would be alot easier and helpful if they understood what you were doing and for why. To try and hide it on top of it all makes it that much shittier.

[ethanrecovering]

The process always works....you're the one that has to add the work part. I feel for you bro. Too young to be dealing with this. Do yourself a favor and listen close.....YOU are the only one who is going to get you out of this. The sooner you get on this, the quicker it will be over. Does anyone in your family know, or are you too embarrassed to say anything to them? I ask because it would be alot easier and helpful if they understood what you were doing and for why. To try and hide it on top of it all makes it that much shittier.

Yeah I've told my whole family. My sisters think its me overreacting but my parents understand wants going on. I showed them the protocol and they're all for it, especially my mom. She was already buying me juices and supplements and stuff so she has a good idea about it.

[Cdsnuts]

Yeah I've told my whole family. My sisters think its me overreacting but my parents understand wants going on. I showed them the protocol and they're all for it, especially my mom. She was already buying me juices and supplements and stuff so she has a good idea about it.

That's great man. It'll make things a little easier for you.

[Ravmeena]

Hello,there i am lurker from almost a year. I am from India. I am 20 years old.So please forgive me for my grammer. I have tried to follow the protocol like 4-5 times for a month or less. I know that does not sound good but i have learned the main thing which is keeping me back it definitely my anxiety or panic attacks i get while i try to do anything fruitful during pfs state . It also have another big reason since I was 17 I actually have had really bad family issues due to which i don't talk to my father,mother and brother at all. Between all this i took finasteride almost a year ago crashed in just 10 days . After all this i have realised that i will have to connect back to my family like before and i am making good progress in that. I have stated the protocol once again just 4 days ago. I want to complete what i started this time.

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Hello,there i am lurker from almost a year. I am from India. I am 20 years old.So please forgive me for my grammer. I have tried to follow the protocol like 4-5 times for a month or less. I know that does not sound good but i have learned the main thing which is keeping me back it definitely my anxiety or panic attacks i get while i try to do anything fruitful during pfs state . It also have another big reason since I was 17 I actually have had really bad family issues due to which i don't talk to my father,mother and brother at all. Between all this i took finasteride almost a year ago crashed in just 10 days . After all this i have realised that i will have to connect back to my family like before and i am making good progress in that. I have stated the protocol once again just 4 days ago. I want to complete what i started this time.

[Hulk Smash]

Hello,there i am lurker from almost a year. I am from India. I am 20 years old.So please forgive me for my grammer. I have tried to follow the protocol like 4-5 times for a month or less. I know that does not sound good but i have learned the main thing which is keeping me back it definitely my anxiety or panic attacks i get while i try to do anything fruitful during pfs state . It also have another big reason since I was 17 I actually have had really bad family issues due to which i don't talk to my father,mother and brother at all. Between all this i took finasteride almost a year ago crashed in just 10 days . After all this i have realised that i will have to connect back to my family like before and i am making good progress in that. I have stated the protocol once again just 4 days ago. I want to complete what i started this time.

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Hello,there i am lurker from almost a year. I am from India. I am 20 years old.So please forgive me for my grammer. I have tried to follow the protocol like 4-5 times for a month or less. I know that does not sound good but i have learned the main thing which is keeping me back it definitely my anxiety or panic attacks i get while i try to do anything fruitful during pfs state . It also have another big reason since I was 17 I actually have had really bad family issues due to which i don't talk to my father,mother and brother at all. Between all this i took finasteride almost a year ago crashed in just 10 days . After all this i have realised that i will have to connect back to my family like before and i am making good progress in that. I have stated the protocol once again just 4 days ago. I want to complete what i started this time.

Do the juice feast or water fast.

Eliminate caffeine and sugar from your diet.

Take ashwaganda or rhodiola daily. One might make you feel better than the other.

Do the TMO breathing exercise.

Stop looking at phone screen/computer screen atleast 2 hours before sleep time.

Follow the TMO diet.

Do very light exercise for now like walking. It may take you a few weeks to a month to get your body ready for heavier exercise.

Avoid as much stress as possible for now.
The point is to lower your anxiety, panic and stress first.

[Bankai9000]

rly don't want to spam the introduction thread,
but don't advise ppl to take ashwaganda or rhodiola daily lol

[Hulk Smash]

Bankai9000 What do you advise him to do? Should he take them? If yes then how often?

[Cooper]

rly don't want to spam the introduction thread,
but don't advise ppl to take ashwaganda or rhodiola daily lol

I'm happy to be here and I will be an amazing addition to the community...if not, the mods will ban me. Just like they'll do to anyone who causes drama on this board.

[God]

Hi! This is God. I've had pfs for 6 months, I've done a short water fast to help my digestion. Been eating healthy, going for walks so far but my life is hell. I take ambien sometimes cause I can barely sleep at al sometimes. Will probably try maca and rhodiola to start off as herbs and go from there. Meditation is tough but I'll keep working on it

[Cdsnuts]

Hi! This is God. I've had pfs for 6 months, I've done a short water fast to help my digestion. Been eating healthy, going for walks so far but my life is hell. I take ambien sometimes cause I can barely sleep at al sometimes. Will probably try maca and rhodiola to start off as herbs and go from there. Meditation is tough but I'll keep working on it

Welcome. Seeing as you're God, I shouldn't have to tell you this.....shit, you shouldn't even have pfs. While you're here, why don't you just make pfs something that never existed. We can all take propecia and have full heads of hair for life! Meh...fuck it, I like being bald now, so, I guess what you need to do next is read ALL the stickies, then TMO and we can take it from there.

P.s. We've all been to hell and back and the devil says hi. He's glad you got his gift. That deviant fucker.

[Vahn]

Hi everyone.

Vahn checking in. I’m a Saw Palmetto victim dealing with severe sexual, mental and some physical sides for 9 months now. I seem to be getting worse every month somehow... what kind of poison does this??

Since I am losing hope for a natural recovery and the internet is riddled with doom and gloom stories, I believe it is time to commit to something and at least try before throwing in the towel.

Haven’t seen many saw palmetto recoveries though, but I assume it’s roughly the same as PFS?

I’ve read most of the TMO website today! Good stuff.

Question, though: Does the protocol apply for someone who’s hormonal levels are normal? TMO speaks about low testosterone and high estrogen, but all my levels were normal and in range.

Maybe best not to overanalyse this shit.

Very grateful for a place like this, where people seem to be full of hope.

Cheers

[Ratchet]

@Maxout

SP Recovered. You’ll recover man. Either way though, never throw in the towel.

[Cdsnuts]

Hi everyone.

Vahn checking in. I’m a Saw Palmetto victim dealing with severe sexual, mental and some physical sides for 9 months now. I seem to be getting worse every month somehow... what kind of poison does this??

Since I am losing hope for a natural recovery and the internet is riddled with doom and gloom stories, I believe it is time to commit to something and at least try before throwing in the towel.

Haven’t seen many saw palmetto recoveries though, but I assume it’s roughly the same as PFS?

I’ve read most of the TMO website today! Good stuff.

Question, though: Does the protocol apply for someone who’s hormonal levels are normal? TMO speaks about low testosterone and high estrogen, but all my levels were normal and in range.

Maybe best not to overanalyse this shit.

Very grateful for a place like this, where people seem to be full of hope.

Cheers

Welcome.

They are full of hope because when they come here, they recover!

Plenty of saw palmetto victims here and recovered ones as well. SP has the same mechanism of action that fin does, so yes, the protocol applies perfectly for you.

Regardless of your hormonal status, these herbs work to restore 5ar from many different angles along with balancing neurotransmitters and supplying your body with micro nutrients, phytochemicals and minerals that you don't usually get in your day to day. If you feel good hormonally now, you'll feel even better once you start your journey.

The guys who recover the quickest are the guys who jump in with both feet and just have faith in the protocol. After their first couple of months it's very apparent it's working. Then it's simply rinse and repeat as many times as you need or want to. There is no limit. You can go indefinitely and see how vibrant you can become. It's all up to you.

[Mistyballoon]

Hi Everyone,

My name is Hugh from Indonesia. 25 years old.

Sorry for my grammar and else since English is not my first language.

Took finasteride while back in 2016-2017ish, not continuously, on and off for the range of those 2 years. I stopped taking it as soon as I feel the side effects (ED) and decrease in Libido. I did not feel the depression and anxiety as part of the side effects since I was already depressed before taking the Finasteride (relationship problem). ED and Libido problem stays until now. I went to see a doctor and he told me to lose weight and exercise, and I did.

I just realized that the symptoms did not go away as I lost weight and changed my diet (calorie deficit) so I panicked and found out about PFS just last night.

I am planning to start the juice fast for 7 days next week and continue with all the routines provided. I am really in the middle of darkness right now and need some comforting, is there really a chance to heal from this situation? Does all the herbs & supplements will give me just another side effects just like Propecia?

Thank you so much.

[Cdsnuts]

Hi Everyone,

My name is Hugh from Indonesia. 25 years old.

Sorry for my grammar and else since English is not my first language.

Took finasteride while back in 2016-2017ish, not continuously, on and off for the range of those 2 years. I stopped taking it as soon as I feel the side effects (ED) and decrease in Libido. I did not feel the depression and anxiety as part of the side effects since I was already depressed before taking the Finasteride (relationship problem). ED and Libido problem stays until now. I went to see a doctor and he told me to lose weight and exercise, and I did.

I just realized that the symptoms did not go away as I lost weight and changed my diet (calorie deficit) so I panicked and found out about PFS just last night.

I am planning to start the juice fast for 7 days next week and continue with all the routines provided. I am really in the middle of darkness right now and need some comforting, is there really a chance to heal from this situation? Does all the herbs & supplements will give me just another side effects just like Propecia?

Thank you so much.

Do me a favor and start a log here for yourself. We'll go from there. How did you find this place? It's a good thing you ended up here instead of a few other places. That is certainly luck on your part. You saved yourself alot of time and misery.

[Mistyballoon]

Do me a favor and start a log here for yourself. We'll go from there. How did you find this place? It's a good thing you ended up here instead of a few other places. That is certainly luck on your part. You saved yourself alot of time and misery.

Okay I'll start my own log... You know when you're depressed you search for any sources that can help, ended up in some youtube videos with several comments mentioning this website, so here I am.

I am quite hopeful seeing some positive comments from the members, I am 1000% looking forward to get my life back.

[Cdsnuts]

Okay I'll start my own log... You know when you're depressed you search for any sources that can help, ended up in some youtube videos with several comments mentioning this website, so here I am.

I am quite hopeful seeing some positive comments from the members, I am 1000% looking forward to get my life back.

Interesting! Can you PM me the source? Would love to check it out! Thanks.

[Mistyballoon]

Interesting! Can you PM me the source? Would love to check it out! Thanks.

PM Sent.

[Cdsnuts]

PM Sent.

Thank you.

[Anun1234]

Hello my name is nuni .... in my twenties I’ve taken propcia for maybe 5-8 years not one side but my wife wanted to get pregnant so we decided to quit . On September 13 2020 I started again and after the 5th pill I woke with zero energy feeling like a zombie about 8 days of this I talked to my doc who told me I have nothing to worry about, the doctor really helped calm my nerves and by the 16 day my energy started coming back slowly till I fully recovered. That only lasted two weeks, now I’m back and drained again but this time I don’t have brain fog just tired.... how is it possible to get fully healed and then go back again?

[blackkey96]

Hi everyone. Blackkey here. Not going through the best of times right now because of my own silly mistake of trying this awful drug for just 18 days starting on 25th August. Felt like i was recovering within 2 weeks after quitting, but alas..here we are. Only thing giving me hope is that my nocturnal erections are getting stronger and stronger by the day. But still, there is no libido, no brain to penis connection and weak erections. And i'm ONLY 24! I'm still debating if i should wait for the regular 3-6month recovery period to be over before jumping in on the cdnuts protocol. I see life passing by me and i have never felt like this before. Don't know if i should wait, because i do feel like im making very very slow recoveries. Just wanted to share this.

Just one question, on the website, i don't really see a mention of any "Andro" supplements or seperate dht supplements, all i see is natural herbs and stuff. Am i missing out on something, or is the website solid?

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[MungYarlon]

Hey everyone, MungYarlon here. Long story short, I took Saw Palmetto for about 3 weeks between July and August, and it gave me the following mental, and sexual sides.
-ED
-Low Libido
-No nocturnal or morning erections
- Shrivelled penis
- Blurry vision
- Memory issues
- Brain fog
-Testicle pain

My "crash" occurred in mid to late September, and since then I have seen improvements. I can stimulate and sustain an erection meaning masturbation is possible, I get morning erections almost everyday now, and my blurry vision is gone. Also the testicle pain stopped after stopping the saw palmetto. The rest of the side effects are still affecting me, though i believe they are slightly less severe than before.

Thanks to Maxout777 for directing me to this forum. If all goes well and I heal, I'll be forever in his debt.

Finally, should I wait a few more months before starting the protocol to see if my hormones will balance themselves out naturally?

Thank you.

[Anun1234]

Hey everyone, MungYarlon here. Long story short, I took Saw Palmetto for about 3 weeks between July and August, and it gave me the following mental, and sexual sides.
-ED
-Low Libido
-No nocturnal or morning erections
- Shrivelled penis
- Blurry vision
- Memory issues
- Brain fog
-Testicle pain

My "crash" occurred in mid to late September, and since then I have seen improvements. I can stimulate and sustain an erection meaning masturbation is possible, I get morning erections almost everyday now, and my blurry vision is gone. Also the testicle pain stopped after stopping the saw palmetto. The rest of the side effects are still affecting me, though i believe they are slightly less severe than before.

Thanks to Maxout777 for directing me to this forum. If all goes well and I heal, I'll be forever in his debt.

Finally, should I wait a few more months before starting the protocol to see if my hormones will balance themselves out naturally?

Thank you.

At least start juice diet and clean eating

[MungYarlon]

Will do, how are you doing now anyway Anun? Has there been any improvement?

[Surrey]

Hello I am Surrey, I just turned 24 years old and suffering from PFS. Took 1mg for 48 days and its been the biggest mistake of my life. I have started my own forum on here to show my progress to recovery following TMO protocol. Prior to PFS I had no health concerns and was healthy! I just want my life back, this has been most devastating for me. I stopped cold turkey as soon as I experienced my symptoms getting worse. I have hope that maybe the finasteride has to pass through my system with the juice feast and that I will be ok afterward, but im not sure. I havent been suffering for too long only a couple of days so everything is fresh in my mind. I have so much hope for everyone on here who has experienced this for many years proper to finding TMO. Im just really sad and depressed and feel like I am alone.

My symptoms include

ED (No Libido)
Shrunk genitals
Anxiety
Depression
Dizziness
Blurry Vision
Heart Palpitation
Insomnia

I already for change and be the best version of myself. Please any feedback would be great. I am 2 days into my juice feast and then incorporate the exercise, eating, mediations etc.. I will get Better! im going to prove my story here. bare with me and all positivity is accepted. Thank you all

[willrecover]

Just joined this forum to resolve my health issues. As a background, I took finasteride (0.25mg) for a week when ED started and after it felt slightly better, did another mistake of taking saw palmetto for 3 weeks which badly impacted digestion. This was about 8 years back. A month after saw palmetto, had bad indigestion and that was the time my lower back pain started. I saw doctors and their view was that it is muscular due to sitting posture. After 7-8 months, suddenly had high anxiety issue and high blood pressure. All this took months to resolve with exercises and few supplements however is back again

My current symptoms include

ED (low Libido)
Shrunk genitals
Anxiety
Dizziness
Heart Palpitation
Muscle twitching and pain
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[Cdsnuts]

Just joined this forum to resolve my health issues. As a background, I took finasteride (0.25mg) for a week when ED started and after it felt slightly better, did another mistake of taking saw palmetto for 3 weeks which badly impacted digestion. This was about 8 years back. A month after saw palmetto, had bad indigestion and that was the time my lower back pain started. I saw doctors and their view was that it is muscular due to sitting posture. After 7-8 months, suddenly had high anxiety issue and high blood pressure. All this took months to resolve with exercises and few supplements however is back again

My current symptoms include

ED (low Libido)
Shrunk genitals
Anxiety
Dizziness
Heart Palpitation
Muscle twitching and pain
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Welcome.

Are you familiar with where to start?

If not, start here: Total Male Optimization (https://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/) and read ALL the way through: Any questions you may have will be answered in the pfs section.

[LIC2020]

Hey all, wanted to introduce myself and share my story. I am a 30 year old make from texas. I took propecia on and off for 3 weeks total and got hit with sides after the last time i stopped.

My symptoms include:

-brian fog
-No Libido
-Anxiety
-Panic attacks
-ED
-muscle loss
-Shrinkage
-Genital Numbness
-Anhedonia
-Sleep issues

When i first got hit, i was a mess with panic and couldnt sleep. My doctor perscribed me 1mg xanax which did help sleep, but after two months of using it every night realized my body was tolerant and stopped it. So now im dealing with a little bit of benzo withdrawl and PFS.

I need to develop a more positive mindset about it. Since i also took xanax for a couple months i feel like i worsened my chances of healing since this issue is really related to gaba receptors. I was also on accutane in high school. So feel like im also tripple fucked. Im working on trying to not worry about the past and focus on what can be done

I currently have all the herbs and supplements and am on day 3 of a juice feast. (I have done 2 of these before for health reasons so i don’t find it too bad). Thanks for reading and any encouragement/advice is appreciated.

Thanks!

[Cdsnuts]

Hey all, wanted to introduce myself and share my story. I am a 30 year old make from texas. I took propecia on and off for 3 weeks total and got hit with sides after the last time i stopped.

My symptoms include:

-brian fog
-No Libido
-Anxiety
-Panic attacks
-ED
-muscle loss
-Shrinkage
-Genital Numbness
-Anhedonia
-Sleep issues

When i first got hit, i was a mess with panic and couldnt sleep. My doctor perscribed me 1mg xanax which did help sleep, but after two months of using it every night realized my body was tolerant and stopped it. So now im dealing with a little bit of benzo withdrawl and PFS.

I need to develop a more positive mindset about it. Since i also took xanax for a couple months i feel like i worsened my chances of healing since this issue is really related to gaba receptors. I was also on accutane in high school. So feel like im also tripple fucked. Im working on trying to not worry about the past and focus on what can be done

I currently have all the herbs and supplements and am on day 3 of a juice feast. (I have done 2 of these before for health reasons so i don’t find it too bad). Thanks for reading and any encouragement/advice is appreciated.

Thanks!

Not to worry.

I've WDed off benzo's three times, not too mention opiates and ambien. I took fin for four years straight.

You're not broken, and you can fix yourself. Dont' think of yourself as triple fucked. Think of yourself as temporarily set back a little bit longer then you wanted to be.

[LIC2020]

Thanks CD! That is reassuring. Looking forward to kicking this things ass

[EverForward]

Greetings all,

just found this forum and want to introduce myself.
27 years old from Germany.

Took 0,5mg Finasteride on the 26th February
Took 0,25mg Finasteride on the 1st March


Sides:
- dick pain
- pelvic floor swolen
- no libido
- ED
- Shrinkage
- Numb genitals
- gyno (stopped)
- shaking legs
- insomnia

Stopped immediately after I got sides.
For now: pelvic floor almost back to normal and as far as I can tell gyno stopped.

I still hope that I will recover really quick as I only took 0,75mg and stopped very soon.
But to be sure I will just hop on the protocol and start the juice feasting.

Thanks!

[Cdsnuts]

Greetings all,

just found this forum and want to introduce myself.
27 years old from Germany.

Took 0,5mg Finasteride on the 26th February
Took 0,25mg Finasteride on the 1st March


Sides:
- dick pain
- pelvic floor swolen
- no libido
- ED
- Shrinkage
- Numb genitals
- gyno (stopped)
- shaking legs
- insomnia

Stopped immediately after I got sides.
For now: pelvic floor almost back to normal and as far as I can tell gyno stopped.

I still hope that I will recover really quick as I only took 0,75mg and stopped very soon.
But to be sure I will just hop on the protocol and start the juice feasting.

Thanks!

Welcome

You'll most likely recover naturally.

But you will doing your body a HUGE favor by completing this protocol. Good luck.

[Peter Jordanson]

Hey gentleman,

First off, I just want to say a sincere thank you to everyone who has detailed their journeys here and a special thanks to those who have stuck around post-recovery to offer continued guidance. I wish I found this site earlier.

My Story:

My case of PFS seems to be somewhat atypical. I’m now 30 and took the drug for about three months but stopped when I got sharp pains in my penis shaft and started developing what looked like a rash on my glans (on top and around the urethra). I’ve been off for 9 months now and am still dealing with the following symptoms.

Symtoms:

1. Pain - Penile pain (and erectile pain at times) and general pain in the pelvic area – shooting pains, stabbing, burning sensations, a sense of pressure in the penis and perineum etc. The pain fluctuates throughout the day. I also get post-ejaculation pain in perineum or prostate area.
2. Glans – Inflamed glans (red on top and around the urethra opening); the “ridges” on my glans are also more pronounced now (i.e., it’s not smooth like it used to be); glans appearance also changes throughout the day; it can look purplish at times and very red at other times. The glans is also hypersensitive – brushing against the seam in my bowers is very painful.
3. Scrotum - Inflamed/red scrotum and vascular abnormalities in the scrotum (“spider veins”), including a varicolcele on the left side and maybe one on the right side.

If you’ve experienced these symptoms in particular, send me a DM. I’d really appreciate it since I haven’t seen a ton of people dealing with these particular symptoms. I am just starting the protocol now.

Thanks in advance!

P.J.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey gentleman,

First off, I just want to say a sincere thank you to everyone who has detailed their journeys here and a special thanks to those who have stuck around post-recovery to offer continued guidance. I wish I found this site earlier.

My Story:

My case of PFS seems to be somewhat atypical. I’m now 30 and took the drug for about three months but stopped when I got sharp pains in my penis shaft and started developing what looked like a rash on my glans (on top and around the urethra). I’ve been off for 9 months now and am still dealing with the following symptoms.

Symtoms:

1. Pain - Penile pain (and erectile pain at times) and general pain in the pelvic area – shooting pains, stabbing, burning sensations, a sense of pressure in the penis and perineum etc. The pain fluctuates throughout the day. I also get post-ejaculation pain in perineum or prostate area.
2. Glans – Inflamed glans (red on top and around the urethra opening); the “ridges” on my glans are also more pronounced now (i.e., it’s not smooth like it used to be); glans appearance also changes throughout the day; it can look purplish at times and very red at other times. The glans is also hypersensitive – brushing against the seam in my bowers is very painful.
3. Scrotum - Inflamed/red scrotum and vascular abnormalities in the scrotum (“spider veins”), including a varicolcele on the left side and maybe one on the right side.

If you’ve experienced these symptoms in particular, send me a DM. I’d really appreciate it since I haven’t seen a ton of people dealing with these particular symptoms. I am just starting the protocol now.

Thanks in advance!

P.J.

I'd prefer they answer right in this thread for other guys who may end up with these symptoms. Like I mentioned to you in an earlier PM, I've never heard of anyone with JUST those symptoms, so I'm interested in hearing from others as well.

It's for the good of the community. No need to be shy. Not here.......EVER....

Edit: This is the introduction thread, so please, start a thread of your own so that you can track your progress and have something to look back on during the recovery journey.

[Peter Jordanson]

I'd prefer they answer right in this thread for other guys who may end up with these symptoms. Like I mentioned to you in an earlier PM, I've never heard of anyone with JUST those symptoms, so I'm interested in hearing from others as well.

It's for the good of the community. No need to be shy. Not here.......EVER....

Edit: This is the introduction thread, so please, start a thread of your own so that you can track your progress and have something to look back on during the recovery journey.

Thanks, CD. Much appreciated. I'll be sure to start a thread documenting my own journey - I agree: It's very helpful to see the details of others' situations and the progress that they make. The benefits of observing others recover can hardly be overstated.

PJ

[Michael]

Hello Mr.CD ! I dont know if Im writing in the correct place but I still want to briefly tell my story. I took 3 pills, got hit with wild sides which quickly subsided but I dont feel like In fully recovered. I have a slightly diminished libido erections etc. will start protocol soon and Im 100% sure that it will make me even stronger and better than pre pfs.My fear and depression went away as soon as I found this website and this wholesome amazing community ! However all the time during my sick days I never paid attention to my face. Im scared I have bone loss. Im pretty sure that your protocol will help me cure this curse and I know can proudly say that I know the science why and how. But the info on bone loss is not that much. I feel like my chin is a little pointy, my face is thinner and ill looking and jawline is not as sharp and defined. I know about water retention, estrogen etc but is that all? Could my chin have receeded in 2 months? Is it reversible even if it was legit bone loss? Im sorry If I sound scared or anything but I am a little. However Im sure that a minor explanation could rid me of this unwanted anxiety which will only hinder my progress and motivation !

[Michael]

The emotional impact this website had on me indescribable. I dont want to sound cringy but the recovery threads made me cry tears of multiple emotions joy, anger,regret and the burning desire to become a stronger better version of myself. I think thats what life is about. If it wasnt for the finasteride scare and finding this website I dont think I would ever emotionally mature.

[Cdsnuts]

The emotional impact this website had on me indescribable. I dont want to sound cringy but the recovery threads made me cry tears of multiple emotions joy, anger,regret and the burning desire to become a stronger better version of myself. I think thats what life is about. If it wasnt for the finasteride scare and finding this website I dont think I would ever emotionally mature.

That's the way to find the silver lining in everything. Good attitude.

This place should be a good fit for you.

Welcome.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? And please feel free to start your own thread to document your journey to health.

[MichaelZurich]

Dear Gents,

I am Michael from Switzerland and I took 1.25mg of Finasteride for 21 days together with some minoxidil at the age of 27 in 2017.

I stopped taking it without sides but after I stopped it I got really bad night sweats and anxiety which I never had in my life before. Every since I was unable to withstand any kind of stress and the libido is gone. My main sides tho are a very strong inner unrest which makes it hard to cope with the tiniest amount of stress and sleeping issues (falling asleep quite early but waking up every 30 minutes from 1am on until i finally get up at 5ish). I found out about PFS only two years later but it all made sense to me then. To be honest, since I know about PFS things got worse for me since I am one of them that failed at „keep your mind positive“ so far. At least I managed to stay away from Propecia Help, which probably is a major step in the direction of positivity ;-)

I ordered about 10 out of the CDNuts protocol‘s herbs and rotated them on and off for about a year (admittedly not went full commitment on the regimen) before I did an 8 week cycle of hCG before going back on CDNuts Protocol now. For the past Month I have been in a Burnout-Clinic in the Swiss Alps to try to focus on my Body which helped me quite a bit.

I am glad to read the recovery stories here and wish all my brothers around the world a speedy recovery - and thank you CD for sticking around and spreading positivity - it means a lot.

Kind Regards

Michael

[Maximilien]

Hey guys!
I'm a 22 year old newcomer from France (hmm croissant).
I met with Finasteride at a very strange time of my life, it seems he didn't like me and decided I had to move my ass.
I'm facing PFS since December. The first 2 months were very though, I had pretty much all of the possible symptoms. It got better with time in some areas but I'm faaar from being recovered.
Now I know where to look at thanks to CD and all of you.

Wish you all the best

[MungYarlon]

Hey guys!
I'm a 22 year old newcomer from France (hmm croissant).
I met with Finasteride at a very strange time of my life, it seems he didn't like me and decided I had to move my ass.
I'm facing PFS since December. The first 2 months were very though, I had pretty much all of the possible symptoms. It got better with time in some areas but I'm faaar from being recovered.
Now I know where to look at thanks to CD and all of you.

Wish you all the best

Tranquille fréro, il faut seulement faire se que tu à besoin de faire pour t'en sortir. Au début je me suis sentis complètement foutus mais maintenant je suis carrément presque guérie.

Relax, don't overthink and all will be good.

[Maximilien]

Tranquille fréro, il faut seulement faire se que tu à besoin de faire pour t'en sortir. Au début je me suis sentis complètement foutus mais maintenant je suis carrément presque guérie.

Relax, don't overthink and all will be good.

Merci mec, prend soin de toi.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys!
I'm a 22 year old newcomer from France (hmm croissant).
I met with Finasteride at a very strange time of my life, it seems he didn't like me and decided I had to move my ass.
I'm facing PFS since December. The first 2 months were very though, I had pretty much all of the possible symptoms. It got better with time in some areas but I'm faaar from being recovered.
Now I know where to look at thanks to CD and all of you.

Wish you all the best

Welcome. And good luck

Temps + constance = succès.

[Maximilien]

Welcome. And good luck

Temps + constance = succès.

I'll keep that in mind. Merci 🙏

[Sterlo]

Hi all,
I suffer from PFS since two months now and my hope to recover naturally vanished.
Someone recommended me this forum and the protocol so I am here now trying my best to overcome this shitty condition.

I already have all the herbs and started to cycle them. I will also start one of the recovery threads as it seems like a good idea to me.

I always hab "bad luck" in live and this condition will either break me completely or I will overcome it and it will make me stronger.

Thanks all!

[Cdsnuts]

Hi all,
I suffer from PFS since two months now and my hope to recover naturally vanished.
Someone recommended me this forum and the protocol so I am here now trying my best to overcome this shitty condition.

I already have all the herbs and started to cycle them. I will also start one of the recovery threads as it seems like a good idea to me.

I always hab "bad luck" in live and this condition will either break me completely or I will overcome it and it will make me stronger.

Thanks all!

You're the only one who can decide that.

[index]

Hey guys,

Got off fin a month ago April 4th. Luckily found this place through reddit and have been reading through this forum and TMO for a few weeks now. This forum has been keeping me sane and hopeful. You guys are awesome just for us anons who come through here. I may not technically have PFS yet but I know I must act sooner rather than later!

[MungYarlon]

Hey guys,

Got off fin a month ago April 4th. Luckily found this place through reddit and have been reading through this forum and TMO for a few weeks now. This forum has been keeping me sane and hopeful. You guys are awesome just for us anons who come through here. I may not technically have PFS yet but I know I must act sooner rather than later!

Bro relax, you can stay here for the self improvement if you want, but I can guarantee you don't have PFS. It isnt the type of thing which will lay dormant for months before rearing its ugly head.

You're likely to somaticize symptoms if you start worrying about it.

[index]

Yeah I probably have exacerbated the symptoms after crashing just from anxiety to an extent, but the sexual symptoms did started suddenly April 1st, got off fin April 4th and it got very bad 5-6 days later. I have been experiencing many sexual/mental sides since then. Was going to detail more in a dedicated post.

[GoldenSun]

Hello boys, I'm not happy to find myself on this forum but here I am. I have been suffering from "PFS like" symptoms form 5% minoxidil that I used on my face for 5 days. That might sound crazy but here's what happened.

I was 19 years old, had no health issues and had a perfect hormone profile. I wanted to fill out my beard for the hell of it. After watching some YouTube videos about growing facial hair, I stumbled across videos about men using 5% minoxidil to grow their beards. This lead me to the subreddit about it called /r/minoxbeards and it seemed to work great for most people, I saw posts of guys with zero facial hair growing full beards in a year! For a guy like me with decent facial hair but with some patches to fill in I assumed that in a few months of using it my beard would be perfect. I looked up the sides for minox and they all seemed minor: Hair growth in other parts of the body, fast heart rate for an hour or two after using and some itchy skin. This medication came off as a miracle drug with minor symptoms so that day I walked to the store and picked up a three month supply. I took some pics of my beard before, applied it and went to bed. I did the recommended 1ml twice a day for only 5 days.

By only the third day I noticed my libido was down when I didn't feel anything when I talked to an attractive girl at the gym, at the time I didn't think much of it (just assumed it was because I just worked out and maybe I was tired). In the following two days I noticed my penis go almost completely numb and my flaccid penis that was previously fairly large shrink to where it was when I was 14 years old (lost about two inches and some girth). I stopped the med on the fifth day but didn't think it was caused by it. I thought maybe it was just because I was working out too hard and that would go away after a few days. Keep in mind this couldn't have been placebo considering, I didn't know it could cause this and I didn't know what PFS was let alone what propecia even was! I had 0 knowledge on baldness or anti-balding meds.

I spent the next few weeks getting increasingly scared because my symptoms were not getting better. I still did not think it was because of the medication. On the third week I brought this up to my father and awkwardly asked him if he ever had something like this. He immediately said "Did you use propecia that stuff can screw up guys for years!", I reassured him it was Rogaine and not propecia (this was the first time I heard of PFS or propecia). I ended up finding the propecia forum that night and after some internet searching I found these guys had the same damn symptoms as me! I searched "minoxidil" on the forum and found a few guys saying minox gave them PFS! I ended up finding a review page for Rogaine and there were over 250 reports of the drug causing sexual issues (most of them were from the last 4 years) averaging a few reports a month. This made my heart drop and I felt like my life was over, not only do I have PFS symptoms but I got them from an over the counter med that is said to cause nothing more than minor short term skin issues at worst! I found a group chat with about 80 guys suffering from PFS symptoms from minox, literally no one in that chat has been cured (some even 8 years down the line).

Its now month two of me discontinuing minoxidil and nothing has improved. My penis has actually gotten more numb and my libido has stayed the same (very low) but luckily my ED is still very minor. Also after the first month my energy has went down a ton and I always feel tired (though this could be because I am depressed from the other symptoms so I won't blame it 100% on the drug). One day I ended up chatting with a random dude on the YouTube comments who had similar symptoms as me. He got low libido/numb penis and ED from using minoxidil and referred me to the "CDNUTS" protocol that he said was making him feel much better. So here I am. I hope I can regain my manhood and conquer this beast. I am not the type to let issues consume my life, I will defeat this. I also quit the "propeciahelp" forum because the guys on there do anything but "help".

[Cdsnuts]

Hello boys, I'm not happy to find myself on this forum but here I am. I have been suffering from "PFS like" symptoms form 5% minoxidil that I used on my face for 5 days. That might sound crazy but here's what happened.

I was 19 years old, had no health issues and had a perfect hormone profile. I wanted to fill out my beard for the hell of it. After watching some YouTube videos about growing facial hair, I stumbled across videos about men using 5% minoxidil to grow their beards. This lead me to the subreddit about it called /r/minoxbeards and it seemed to work great for most people, I saw posts of guys with zero facial hair growing full beards in a year! For a guy like me with decent facial hair but with some patches to fill in I assumed that in a few months of using it my beard would be perfect. I looked up the sides for minox and they all seemed minor: Hair growth in other parts of the body, fast heart rate for an hour or two after using and some itchy skin. This medication came off as a miracle drug with minor symptoms so that day I walked to the store and picked up a three month supply. I took some pics of my beard before, applied it and went to bed. I did the recommended 1ml twice a day for only 5 days.

By only the third day I noticed my libido was down when I didn't feel anything when I talked to an attractive girl at the gym, at the time I didn't think much of it (just assumed it was because I just worked out and maybe I was tired). In the following two days I noticed my penis go almost completely numb and my flaccid penis that was previously fairly large shrink to where it was when I was 14 years old (lost about two inches and some girth). I stopped the med on the fifth day but didn't think it was caused by it. I thought maybe it was just because I was working out too hard and that would go away after a few days. Keep in mind this couldn't have been placebo considering, I didn't know it could cause this and I didn't know what PFS was let alone what propecia even was! I had 0 knowledge on baldness or anti-balding meds.

I spent the next few weeks getting increasingly scared because my symptoms were not getting better. I still did not think it was because of the medication. On the third week I brought this up to my father and awkwardly asked him if he ever had something like this. He immediately said "Did you use propecia that stuff can screw up guys for years!", I reassured him it was Rogaine and not propecia (this was the first time I heard of PFS or propecia). I ended up finding the propecia forum that night and after some internet searching I found these guys had the same damn symptoms as me! I searched "minoxidil" on the forum and found a few guys saying minox gave them PFS! I ended up finding a review page for Rogaine and there were over 250 reports of the drug causing sexual issues (most of them were from the last 4 years) averaging a few reports a month. This made my heart drop and I felt like my life was over, not only do I have PFS symptoms but I got them from an over the counter med that is said to cause nothing more than minor short term skin issues at worst! I found a group chat with about 80 guys suffering from PFS symptoms from minox, literally no one in that chat has been cured (some even 8 years down the line).

Its now month two of me discontinuing minoxidil and nothing has improved. My penis has actually gotten more numb and my libido has stayed the same (very low) but luckily my ED is still very minor. Also after the first month my energy has went down a ton and I always feel tired (though this could be because I am depressed from the other symptoms so I won't blame it 100% on the drug). One day I ended up chatting with a random dude on the YouTube comments who had similar symptoms as me. He got low libido/numb penis and ED from using minoxidil and referred me to the "CDNUTS" protocol that he said was making him feel much better. So here I am. I hope I can regain my manhood and conquer this beast. I am not the type to let issues consume my life, I will defeat this. I also quit the "propeciahelp" forum because the guys on there do anything but "help".

Welcome.

Man....more and more minox guys. Fucking shame. Luckily I was spared by that one.

I think you'll find EVERYTHING you need on this forum and TMO.

Sooner you go all in, the sooner you'll have your life back....and more.

[boldocore]

Hello guys, greetings from Spain

I've been reading the forum intensively for a week and TMO. I have learned what it takes to get started. But I have encountered a problem, losttempireherbs does not send to my country Spain.

Maybe if someone knows another European website or that sends their products to Europe, it would be very useful to me.

It's a shame because lostempireherbs products seem of great quality, also in powder, which I prefer to capsules.

[Cdsnuts]

Hello guys, greetings from Spain

I've been reading the forum intensively for a week and TMO. I have learned what it takes to get started. But I have encountered a problem, losttempireherbs does not send to my country Spain.

Maybe if someone knows another European website or that sends their products to Europe, it would be very useful to me.

It's a shame because lostempireherbs products seem of great quality, also in powder, which I prefer to capsules.

You need to get a forwarder here....maybe one of the guys on the board would help. I've done it before but I'm so behind it's not funny.

[Maximilien]

Hello guys, greetings from Spain

I've been reading the forum intensively for a week and TMO. I have learned what it takes to get started. But I have encountered a problem, losttempireherbs does not send to my country Spain.

Maybe if someone knows another European website or that sends their products to Europe, it would be very useful to me.

It's a shame because lostempireherbs products seem of great quality, also in powder, which I prefer to capsules.

Welcome dude,
I'm surprised, I just placed an order from France last week.
If you don't mind the extra cost you could try something like Shipito: they give you the address of one of their warehouse located in the US, then they send it to you

[Cdsnuts]

Welcome dude,
I'm surprised, I just placed an order from France last week.
If you don't mind the extra cost you could try something like Shipito: they give you the address of one of their warehouse located in the US, then they send it to

Thanks for sharing this!

[Fernando_E]

Hello everyone, I am from Colombia, I have been with this disease for 3 years, I had all the symptoms, serious neurological and sexual.

Fortunately all the neurological symptoms have reversed, but the sexual ones have been fluctuating. These days I think I have had a relapse into anxiety and depression because I met a girl that I love and that makes me nervous, because my penis responds when it wants, there are days when I can have a solid and strong erection and have sex, others days she is numb and without libido.

I recently started a strictly gluten-free paleo diet again, and I have bought some supplements to be cycled, but I have a question, do you consider it strictly necessary to do the cycle of pro hormones? What type of product is it and how is it applied? I thought I saw in the PH forum that CDnuts said that andro hard is no longer sold.

Thank you all very much, and let's never lose hope.

[Outlaw]

Hello everyone, I am from Colombia, I have been with this disease for 3 years, I had all the symptoms, serious neurological and sexual.

Fortunately all the neurological symptoms have reversed, but the sexual ones have been fluctuating. These days I think I have had a relapse into anxiety and depression because I met a girl that I love and that makes me nervous, because my penis responds when it wants, there are days when I can have a solid and strong erection and have sex, others days she is numb and without libido.

I recently started a strictly gluten-free paleo diet again, and I have bought some supplements to be cycled, but I have a question, do you consider it strictly necessary to do the cycle of pro hormones? What type of product is it and how is it applied? I thought I saw in the PH forum that CDnuts said that andro hard is no longer sold.

Thank you all very much, and let's never lose hope.
Whats up Fernando,

You found a good place here. People here have a good mindset, apply the protocol, and eventually recover.

The prohormones are not necessary, they simply speed the recovery process by helping regenerate the 5ar enzyme at a faster rate. You can recover without them, it might just take you more time.

Currently, the recommended prohormone is UltraHard by Iconic Formulations. Look at the sticky section (above the regular forum board), there is a post on DHT prohormone and a link to save 20% on your order.

However, what is more important than the prohormone is following every part of the protocol (look at the totalmaleoptimization website). Diet and supplements won't be enough.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to make a post. This protocol works, but the hardest thing is being patient and keep doing it long enough to achieve recovery.

[Malibu]

Hey everyone. I am 21 from Canada.

I took finasteride for 2 years and did a course of accutane during that too, (yikes) and slowly developed all the typical PFS symptoms (sexual, cognitive, emotional, physical) throughout last year.

I first didn't know what was wrong with me, then put it together. I spent a lot of time on propeciahelp following my realization i had pfs. However, I eventually grew heavily disgusted with the attitudes of many users on that site and found this site, thank god.

I love how pragmatic and positive everyone is here, this is the right place for me. I will be starting the protocol immediately, just have to get my materials for the juice feast.

Also to be honest, I am a little worried because I also took the accutane and am yet to see an Post Accutane Syndrome sufferer recover from the CDNuts protocol, but the PFS recoveries are enough for me to give this thing a shot.

I am excited to get started and reclaim my health. This seems like a great community.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey everyone. I am 21 from Canada.

I took finasteride for 2 years and did a course of accutane during that too, (yikes) and slowly developed all the typical PFS symptoms (sexual, cognitive, emotional, physical) throughout last year.

I first didn't know what was wrong with me, then put it together. I spent a lot of time on propeciahelp following my realization i had pfs. However, I eventually grew heavily disgusted with the attitudes of many users on that site and found this site, thank god.

I love how pragmatic and positive everyone is here, this is the right place for me. I will be starting the protocol immediately, just have to get my materials for the juice feast.
(Actually have a question lol, in my situation is a water fast more beneficial than a juice feast?)

Also to be honest, I am a little worried because I also took the accutane and am yet to see an Post Accutane Syndrome sufferer recover from the CDNuts protocol, but the PFS recoveries are enough for me to give this thing a shot.

I am excited to get started and reclaim my health. This seems like a great community.

That's because it is.

Welcome all new comers.

[boldocore]

Welcome dude,
I'm surprised, I just placed an order from France last week.
If you don't mind the extra cost you could try something like Shipito: they give you the address of one of their warehouse located in the US, then they send it to you

Thanks friends,

I have found the herbs with suppliers in Spain, they are not Lost Empire but I think they are good ... I have been with the protocol for a couple of months, soon I will do my first cycle of pro hormones.

Reading many stories of the members, I have doubts when choosing either ultra hard or alpha four, I suppose that a hormonal analysis would help me to know which is the most suitable for me at this time, right?

[Adero]

Hi Folks

Adz here. Not sure if this requires a journey post of its own but I'll be brief here.

My whole story started in a matter of two weeks. Luckily I came across this forum as opposed to other forums because they were sending me down a horrible spiral. Looking for support from anyone and to support others as well.

Started losing hair this year. Typical story, go to dermatologist. Prescribed Fin. Have had several friends on it and they reassured me its fine. So took the plunge.

Dose: Took 0.5mg x 12 / over the course of 12 days.

Symptoms:
- Didn't experience any negative side effects until day 12 (which probably happened earlier but I only noticed on day 12). Any desire for sex is gone. It's like it left my body. Simply gone. No libidio. No drive. No hunger for sex.
- I don't have any other symptoms other than a slightly dull pulsating ache in the lower groin region/testicles. Comes and goes. I honestly don't know whether this is playing up because of stress.
- Note its been 4th day I've stopped Fin.
- Penis doesn't feel itself either. Like its half dead. It's a really weird feeling. I wouldn't say its shrunk or anything just 'not right'. Lifeless almost...

- Did a few tests getting hard/erect. With a little effort I can get erect but requires constant stimulation. As soon as I stop rubbing it goes limp. I can get excited if I was looking at something stimulating but it requires effort. Doesn't feel like my body needs it. I don't think I'd be able to maintain an erection during sex now.

Anyway, I've been so horrendously stressed. I've started taking a gander over this forum. I'm aware of the protocol just wondering whether I should give it a bit of time and see if things get better or start straight away.

I needed to post something somewhere and just feel there's support from others. So thank you to those who use this forum and Cdsnuts for keeping things going here which I've noticed already.

Also if anyone is keen to chat and keep each other updated on progress. Please feel free to reach out.

[Trixy]

Hey guys,
I have been a lurker for around 4-5 months now. I crashed during December last year( 2020). I initially visited PH and quickly got sucked into deep depression as I thought my life was completely over and I got mostly every symptom. I was lucky enough to stumble on English, mitch, c.d and other people who pointed me in this direction. Since I was really down I started to implement the protocol slowly as layed down on TMO by C.d . As of now I have the following symptoms.
1. Physical - loss of muscle mass( 15 kgs) , old people like skin on my legs , extreme fatigue . The oil on my face has returned and my skin is looking better since I crashed . Also my hairfall has resumed.
2. Mental - brain fog and unable to read or work for long hours , anxiety, don't do well with noise, bright lights. Also experience derealization but has gotten Slightly better. Tinitus comes and goes and has some corelation to stress as I see it.
3. Sexual - mostly back to normal, leaving the size . Ejaculation does make me feel worse. Orgasm are also almost normal and enjoyable now. Semen quality is also almost back to normal.
4. Sleep - have worked on this the most - got it down to 5-6 hours of sleep
5. Gut - I am really intolerant to many foods like meats , lentils, some vegetables like peas and potatoes ( I got my gut tested and I have a dysbiosis)
6. Harmones - My cortisol levels both morning and evening are normal. My test levels have gotten better from low 300 to high 400 but my total test has fallen from 14 to 13.4 which seems to be an shbg problem like many others here. The biggest thing for me is my TSH which is 4.8 which is way over the mark and was wondering if anyone has faced this and solved i would love to get some help in this department. it as my t4 and t3 levels also seem fine.

What I am doing
Routine-
1.Wake up at 6 and look at the sun ( this helps alot to set the circadian rhythm and helps with sleep.
2.Do pranayam and yoga
3.Do some meditation and breathing exercises
4.Have a cold water shower ( dry scrubing , only use a anti fungal shampoo once a week as I have really bad Sebhoric dermatitis)
5.Get an hour or so of sun( live in india so it's possible) ( sun my boys and do mobility work)

6. Eat 2 eggs made in ghee in the morning with spinach
7. Get to work mostly am able to only work for like 2-3 hours in total a day ( I am a law student so I am not really working as of yet so I am lucky that I don't have to go to work)

8. Lunch - vegitables stew made in olive oil or ghee with sorghum roti( its an Indian flat bread)

9. Workout at 3 ( I can't handle weights and leads me to crash everytime so I have shifted to calisthenics 3-4 times a week)

10. Back to work 3 -6 ( snack is mostly a fruit like papaya or apple - I don't do well with sweet fruits)
11. 6 - 7.30 ( walks in forest while looking at the setting sun - helps to set circadian rhythms)

12. 7.30 - dinner ( usually the same as lunch instead of sorghum roti I'll go for brown or red rice)

13. Gadgets off by 9 ( I sit and meditate or use the holosync/ binaural beats to calmn down) and also journal before bed.

Supplements -
1.magnesium glycinate - makes me sleep well.
2. Zinc citrate
3. Digestive enzymes
4. B vitamin complex ( makes my piss look like Mt.dew)
5. Vitamin d3 k2
6. L- glutamine

Going to start -
1. Bacopa
2. L- tyrosine
3. L- theanine
4. Curcumin

I am also working with a functional medicine practitioner for my problems in the gut.

I had a few questions I hope someone more experienced can answer it , as I would be really grateful for any kind of help :-

1. What can somebody do for soul crushing fatigue cause it really limits what I can do for workouts or does it simply go away . It amazes me how alot of whom recovered actually kept jobs and went to work while dealing with this problem which seems super human to me.

2. Has someone successful solved their thyroid problems and can possibly tell me what they did to better their tsh.

3. I have tried to lower my carbs but don't do well on a low carb diet , is it okay to eat carbs more than once a day as c.d suggests to backload them in the evening

4. Has some else also expirenced intolerance to meats as i was a frequent meat eater before the crash but now all I can eat is eggs for some reason when it comes to non- veg. Also is gelatin, chicken broth and fish broth just as effective for the gut as beef broth?.

Also any other insights into what I maybe doing wrong is always welcome. I find the recoveries board really inspiring and shows me how much work I need to do.

As for the herb rotation I intend to order them but since I am still dependent on my parents for money as I am only 20 I still have to wait a little. Though a lot of the herbs suggested by c.d are ancient ayurvedic medicines like tribulus ( gokshura), bacopa( bhrami), ashwagandha, shilajeet etc. So I maybe able to source them locally till I can convince my parents to buy the lost empire brand of herbs.

Thanks a lot and I am looking forward to having positive discussions on this forum

[Gerf Yams]

What's up fellas. I'm 26 years old - took finasteride for 6 months before quitting. Symptoms (in order) - lack of appetite, brain fog, rash on legs, QUIT PILL, sexual side effects (all of them), depression, muscular atrophy, bone/skin changes (lost all my callouses on my guitar fretting hand).

I've been reading through a lot of posts and wanted to document my own journey. Looking forward to any guidance along the way. Currently on TMO protocol. Just finished 7 day water fast last week - rebuilding phase starting now. Will be starting a thread shortly to document my progress.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys,
I have been a lurker for around 4-5 months now. I crashed during December last year( 2020). I initially visited PH and quickly got sucked into deep depression as I thought my life was completely over and I got mostly every symptom. I was lucky enough to stumble on English, mitch, c.d and other people who pointed me in this direction. Since I was really down I started to implement the protocol slowly as layed down on TMO by C.d . As of now I have the following symptoms.
1. Physical - loss of muscle mass( 15 kgs) , old people like skin on my legs , extreme fatigue . The oil on my face has returned and my skin is looking better since I crashed . Also my hairfall has resumed.
2. Mental - brain fog and unable to read or work for long hours , anxiety, don't do well with noise, bright lights. Also experience derealization but has gotten Slightly better. Tinitus comes and goes and has some corelation to stress as I see it.
3. Sexual - mostly back to normal, leaving the size . Ejaculation does make me feel worse. Orgasm are also almost normal and enjoyable now. Semen quality is also almost back to normal.
4. Sleep - have worked on this the most - got it down to 5-6 hours of sleep
5. Gut - I am really intolerant to many foods like meats , lentils, some vegetables like peas and potatoes ( I got my gut tested and I have a dysbiosis)
6. Harmones - My cortisol levels both morning and evening are normal. My test levels have gotten better from low 300 to high 400 but my total test has fallen from 14 to 13.4 which seems to be an shbg problem like many others here. The biggest thing for me is my TSH which is 4.8 which is way over the mark and was wondering if anyone has faced this and solved i would love to get some help in this department. it as my t4 and t3 levels also seem fine.

What I am doing
Routine-
1.Wake up at 6 and look at the sun ( this helps alot to set the circadian rhythm and helps with sleep.
2.Do pranayam and yoga
3.Do some meditation and breathing exercises
4.Have a cold water shower ( dry scrubing , only use a anti fungal shampoo once a week as I have really bad Sebhoric dermatitis)
5.Get an hour or so of sun( live in india so it's possible) ( sun my boys and do mobility work)

6. Eat 2 eggs made in ghee in the morning with spinach
7. Get to work mostly am able to only work for like 2-3 hours in total a day ( I am a law student so I am not really working as of yet so I am lucky that I don't have to go to work)

8. Lunch - vegitables stew made in olive oil or ghee with sorghum roti( its an Indian flat bread)

9. Workout at 3 ( I can't handle weights and leads me to crash everytime so I have shifted to calisthenics 3-4 times a week)

10. Back to work 3 -6 ( snack is mostly a fruit like papaya or apple - I don't do well with sweet fruits)
11. 6 - 7.30 ( walks in forest while looking at the setting sun - helps to set circadian rhythms)

12. 7.30 - dinner ( usually the same as lunch instead of sorghum roti I'll go for brown or red rice)

13. Gadgets off by 9 ( I sit and meditate or use the holosync/ binaural beats to calmn down) and also journal before bed.

Supplements -
1.magnesium glycinate - makes me sleep well.
2. Zinc citrate
3. Digestive enzymes
4. B vitamin complex ( makes my piss look like Mt.dew)
5. Vitamin d3 k2
6. L- glutamine

Going to start -
1. Bacopa
2. L- tyrosine
3. L- theanine
4. Curcumin

I am also working with a functional medicine practitioner for my problems in the gut.

I had a few questions I hope someone more experienced can answer it , as I would be really grateful for any kind of help :-

1. What can somebody do for soul crushing fatigue cause it really limits what I can do for workouts or does it simply go away . It amazes me how alot of whom recovered actually kept jobs and went to work while dealing with this problem which seems super human to me.

2. Has someone successful solved their thyroid problems and can possibly tell me what they did to better their tsh.

3. I have tried to lower my carbs but don't do well on a low carb diet , is it okay to eat carbs more than once a day as c.d suggests to backload them in the evening

4. Has some else also expirenced intolerance to meats as i was a frequent meat eater before the crash but now all I can eat is eggs for some reason when it comes to non- veg. Also is gelatin, chicken broth and fish broth just as effective for the gut as beef broth?.

Also any other insights into what I maybe doing wrong is always welcome. I find the recoveries board really inspiring and shows me how much work I need to do.

As for the herb rotation I intend to order them but since I am still dependent on my parents for money as I am only 20 I still have to wait a little. Though a lot of the herbs suggested by c.d are ancient ayurvedic medicines like tribulus ( gokshura), bacopa( bhrami), ashwagandha, shilajeet etc. So I maybe able to source them locally till I can convince my parents to buy the lost empire brand of herbs.

Thanks a lot and I am looking forward to having positive discussions on this forum

Welcome.

You shouldn't have any trouble getting good herbs in india. You can probably get most of them in a store where you live right over the counter.

For thyroid support, use this :Amazon.com: Optimox Iodoral 12.5 mg - Original High Potency Lugol Solution Iodine Nutritional Supplement - Energy and Thyroid Support - 90 Tablets : Health Household (https://amzn.to/3mqBvhb) .. You won't need it the whole time. If you take it longer then necessary you start going in the other direction.

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What's up fellas. I'm 26 years old - took finasteride for 6 months before quitting. Symptoms (in order) - lack of appetite, brain fog, rash on legs, QUIT PILL, sexual side effects (all of them), depression, muscular atrophy, bone/skin changes (lost all my callouses on my guitar fretting hand).

I've been reading through a lot of posts and wanted to document my own journey. Looking forward to any guidance along the way. Currently on TMO protocol. Just finished 7 day water fast last week - rebuilding phase starting now. Will be starting a thread shortly to document my progress.

Welcome.

[Flapjack]

Hey all, just wanted to introduce myself.

i'm a 24 year old dude. I took finasteride for about three weeks, ending in late April of this year. I had some moderate ED while on the drug, but decided to discontinue. Two weeks following cessation I had my 'crash' though it didn't absolutely buttfuck me like it has to many here. It seems like my primary symptoms are disturbed and unrestful sleep, and as someone with hypochondria, a pretty immense amount of regret and anxiety surrounding my decision to take the drug, compounded by the fact that i've struggled with some neurological issues stemming from another drug as well as a concussion years ago. As it stands, things are okay and showing signs of natural recovery. Here's a list of what i'm currently dealing with

Dick: about 80% pre-fin. still get morning wood and orgasms and sexual pleasure seem unaffected but boners don't come as easily.
Mental: about 80-90% feeling pretty clear, anxiety is very high however and my life has really taken a hit as I can't stop the cycle of obsessive thoughts about wishing I never tried the shit.
Sleep: this is my main problem. I'm about 60% here. I have very vivid dreams and wake up a few times during the night. i don't feel refreshed in the mornings and have quite a bit of fatigue day in and day out. My energy is really low. It affects my motivation and well, and basically everything else in my life as sleep is a crucial aspect in one's overall health. This has improved but I am not back to baseline, four months since stopping.

that's about it. I've adopted about 70% of the protocol as of the past few weeks and this has coincided with me seeing improvements in the energy department. However, this is not enough. I'll go full bore in the next month or so when my schedule and finances allow for it. I may make a log later but i understand that frequenting these forums and nitpicking symptoms is not healthy for my mindset. I think a full recovery is definitely possible and I look forward to feeling normal again, and it's great to have found a community like this. I wish all of you the best in your recoveries.

All the best,

Flapjack

[Cdsnuts]

Hey all, just wanted to introduce myself.

i'm a 24 year old dude. I took finasteride for about three weeks, ending in late April of this year. I had some moderate ED while on the drug, but decided to discontinue. Two weeks following cessation I had my 'crash' though it didn't absolutely buttfuck me like it has to many here. It seems like my primary symptoms are disturbed and unrestful sleep, and as someone with hypochondria, a pretty immense amount of regret and anxiety surrounding my decision to take the drug, compounded by the fact that i've struggled with some neurological issues stemming from another drug as well as a concussion years ago. As it stands, things are okay and showing signs of natural recovery. Here's a list of what i'm currently dealing with

Dick: about 80% pre-fin. still get morning wood and orgasms and sexual pleasure seem unaffected but boners don't come as easily.
Mental: about 80-90% feeling pretty clear, anxiety is very high however and my life has really taken a hit as I can't stop the cycle of obsessive thoughts about wishing I never tried the shit.
Sleep: this is my main problem. I'm about 60% here. I have very vivid dreams and wake up a few times during the night. i don't feel refreshed in the mornings and have quite a bit of fatigue day in and day out. My energy is really low. It affects my motivation and well, and basically everything else in my life as sleep is a crucial aspect in one's overall health. This has improved but I am not back to baseline, four months since stopping.

that's about it. I've adopted about 70% of the protocol as of the past few weeks and this has coincided with me seeing improvements in the energy department. However, this is not enough. I'll go full bore in the next month or so when my schedule and finances allow for it. I may make a log later but i understand that frequenting these forums and nitpicking symptoms is not healthy for my mindset. I think a full recovery is definitely possible and I look forward to feeling normal again, and it's great to have found a community like this. I wish all of you the best in your recoveries.

All the best,

Flapjack

Welcome

[randomdutch96]

hi guys, (i will try to keep it short)
randomdutch96 here. a healthy, slim, 24 athletic guy.

Dosage:
took finasteride 2 times: for 3 to 4 weeks in march, quitted for 1 month and 3 to 4 weeks in May. dose of ~0.25 eod.
had small sides like watery semen, and less hard erection, and a bit less libido so I quit and tried it a second time to see if I would have no sides the second time. but unfortunately the same.
in the first week of March I also had brain fog I suppose. it was weird, it was just like I couldn't concentrate and wasn't present sometimes.

Story:
After quitting in may, I had no sides anymore as far as I know for 3 to 4 months, was still horny, and had spontaneous erections. last week I was with a girl, and we tried having sex but due to her being very tight we had to try multiple times and after trying x times my d*ck stopped working and stayed numb. (i was hard tho without physical stimulation and horny but not extremely horny). the night before meeting her however i jerked off 3 times in 2 hours lol.. perhaps a little bit too much of the good stuff.. oops...
after that, I tried to evaluate how my libido was last week and my erections, and I noticed that it has been way less than the previous months.
maybe it's psychological, maybe it's PFS. I'm still in doubt whether it is PFS since I only had been suffering low/no libido, a numb penis, and weak erections for a week as far as i know.
will look for another month how it goes and gonna try out viagra(generic) tonight because I'm meeting up with this girl again. gonna get a blood test this coming week too.
If I won't have any improvements for a few months I might look into solutions provided here.
mentally I'm still 100% I guess and enjoying life, like sport, hanging out with friends, alcohol etc. (perhaps more tired as usual but that's perhaps just me doing nothing due to holiday.)
furthermore, sleep is still fine.
so the main issue is: low lobido, weak erections, numb penis.

anyway, I will keep you guys updated. (should I open a new folder for my story and how things go?)
Glad that we can come here to share our stories!
if anyone has a question, ask ahead.

All the best,
randomdutch96

[krvs]

Hey guys

Been on this thread for the last few days now, finding everything really valuable compared to the plethora of doom and gloom on other forums. There seems to be an awesome community and great advice so I thought I'd join.

I started with 0.25 daily about four months ago, I knew this shit was poison but after researching and listening to sources online I was slightly reassured and thought that lowering the dosage would reduce the instance of side effects. This was obviously a bad idea, throughout the four months the side effects came on very slowly and progressively which didn't prompt me to get off the drug as sooner.

Looking back now and checking the forums I'm getting more or less similar effects that most guys here are having. I've noticed the severe loss of libido, slight dick shrinkage, brain fog, headaches, loss of motivation, difficulty lifting weights, slight gyno and changes in body composition. I already had low testosterone to begin with so taking this has really not improved my situation.

I do have a few more questions and might make a seperate thread, grateful to have found this community as you guys seem super supportive and positive.

All the best

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys

Been on this thread for the last few days now, finding everything really valuable compared to the plethora of doom and gloom on other forums. There seems to be an awesome community and great advice so I thought I'd join.

I started with 0.25 daily about four months ago, I knew this shit was poison but after researching and listening to sources online I was slightly reassured and thought that lowering the dosage would reduce the instance of side effects. This was obviously a bad idea, throughout the four months the side effects came on very slowly and progressively which didn't prompt me to get off the drug as sooner.

Looking back now and checking the forums I'm getting more or less similar effects that most guys here are having. I've noticed the severe loss of libido, slight dick shrinkage, brain fog, headaches, loss of motivation, difficulty lifting weights, slight gyno and changes in body composition. I already had low testosterone to begin with so taking this has really not improved my situation.

I do have a few more questions and might make a seperate thread, grateful to have found this community as you guys seem super supportive and positive.

All the best

Welcome. Follow the protocol and as you'll see, you'll get where you need to go.

[ysir09]

30 year old guy here, I took finasteride for almost 1.5 years. What’s strange is I noticed I was having slight issues with getting an erection within the first few months but the issue went away so I figured continuing the medication was OK. Big mistake. I haven’t experienced the brain fog issue nor has my anxiety issue gotten worse (that I can tell). The only issue I seem to be having is sexually related.

Let me preface this by saying that I can still achieve an erection *usually. It’s harder for me to get at full mass and most of the time the erection doesn’t last if I’m not constantly touching my penis. I still have the morning wood. I can achieve orgasm although I feel it happens quicker than what it did before starting the drug. My libido has taken a big hit. Normally it wouldn’t take much to get me in the mood and now I’m lucky if I’m able to experience this feeling twice a week.

I was starting to feel that my issues were more psychological until I noticed a physical change in my member. It seems thinner than it was before and it curves at a weird angle when it’s soft. Hard to explain. I find that it’s easier for me to maintain an erection when I am lying down but when I stand I begin to lose it. All in all, my sex life has taken a big hit. I don’t want to get close to anybody because of my erectile issues. I’ve had testing done and I’m normal. Testosterone levels are fine.

Not sure if there is anybody here who may experience the more “mild” sexual side effects that come from taking finasteride. And I’m aware that this could be worse but it’s still a problem for me. I’ve been able to achieve orgasm using both pornography and just my thoughts so I don’t think it’s an overconsumption of porn, even though I do regularly consume it and masturbate. I don’t expect to be a horn dog for the rest of my life but this sudden change, especially around the time I started taking the drug propecia, leads me to believe that it’s to blame. Any advice or words of encouragement is welcomed.

Thanks for letting me vent.

[Livermore90]

Hey guys!

I'm new here, Im a 31 yo from Spain I'm going to briefly relate my story. Started to take the drug in January 2020. Took it in a dosage of 0.5mg for 6 months or so, until I started to notice those tipical white bumps on my nipples. Then nothing happened, no crash or anything during the followings months. But later, on late November, I restarted the treatment and took it only for two days before crashing. One day 0.5 and the other 0.25. I stopped on 2nd day bc I changed my mind and didn't wanted to take the pill after all.

The thing is that my sympton were only a mild numbed penis. No libido loss, no mental issues etc. My erections were pretty fine at that moment. Maybe testicle shrinkage and dryed penis skin too.

But things got worse 3 months ago after I did a short fast of 30 hours. Then my glans got even more numbed (the numbing is mostly on the glans, the skin below feels almost the same), and a bit shrinked too.

Few weeks ago, I took St John's Wort for a few days (it seem that it gave me alergic reactions so I discontiued it) and my erections and skin improved, but not the numbedness.

Tbh, I don't give this condition too much thinking , but it really gets annoying and it's time to take control of it.

Can someone be so kind to tell me what's that so called "Protocol" that you are following and where I can start?

Thank you all for reading

[jinstewart]

Hello all.

Been reading around and after 3 years of PFS (and having been lucky enough to see improvements in that time) I'm rather sick of it. I realised earlier in the year that cold showers (of all things) just felt like a benefit, so I started them. I had no intention of following the protocol at that stage especially, but I missed exercise and recently, although PFS takes a toll on the joints for some of us, this has also improved to a significant creaking, but exercise is not off the cards now in the way that it was. Have the opportunity around a period of 3 weeks of no work that'd be perfect for the fast and the juice feast and very much looking forward to cracking on. I was a bodybuilder and Thai boxer in my pre PFS life so you can imagine what it was to lose those. I'm looking forward immensely to having that all back someday.

I did have an abortive stab at the protocol a long time back but I was too lost in "the panic" of the early stages, and also don't feel too unhappy with myself - regrets about not starting sooner ain't going to help, I think all that will is the drive to succeed and so at least I come armed with that.

Looking forward to getting started, asking all the silly questions etc and hoping to take my place here if you'll have me.

So hi everyone. :)

[Cdsnuts]

Hello all.

Been reading around and after 3 years of PFS (and having been lucky enough to see improvements in that time) I'm rather sick of it. I realised earlier in the year that cold showers (of all things) just felt like a benefit, so I started them. I had no intention of following the protocol at that stage especially, but I missed exercise and recently, although PFS takes a toll on the joints for some of us, this has also improved to a significant creaking, but exercise is not off the cards now in the way that it was. Have the opportunity around a period of 3 weeks of no work that'd be perfect for the fast and the juice feast and very much looking forward to cracking on. I was a bodybuilder and Thai boxer in my pre PFS life so you can imagine what it was to lose those. I'm looking forward immensely to having that all back someday.

I did have an abortive stab at the protocol a long time back but I was too lost in "the panic" of the early stages, and also don't feel too unhappy with myself - regrets about not starting sooner ain't going to help, I think all that will is the drive to succeed and so at least I come armed with that.

Looking forward to getting started, asking all the silly questions etc and hoping to take my place here if you'll have me.

So hi everyone. :)

Welcome!

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys!

I'm new here, Im a 31 yo from Spain I'm going to briefly relate my story. Started to take the drug in January 2020. Took it in a dosage of 0.5mg for 6 months or so, until I started to notice those tipical white bumps on my nipples. Then nothing happened, no crash or anything during the followings months. But later, on late November, I restarted the treatment and took it only for two days before crashing. One day 0.5 and the other 0.25. I stopped on 2nd day bc I changed my mind and didn't wanted to take the pill after all.

The thing is that my sympton were only a mild numbed penis. No libido loss, no mental issues etc. My erections were pretty fine at that moment. Maybe testicle shrinkage and dryed penis skin too.

But things got worse 3 months ago after I did a short fast of 30 hours. Then my glans got even more numbed (the numbing is mostly on the glans, the skin below feels almost the same), and a bit shrinked too.

Few weeks ago, I took St John's Wort for a few days (it seem that it gave me alergic reactions so I discontiued it) and my erections and skin improved, but not the numbedness.

Tbh, I don't give this condition too much thinking , but it really gets annoying and it's time to take control of it.

Can someone be so kind to tell me what's that so called "Protocol" that you are following and where I can start?

Thank you all for reading

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[Ygb350]

Hi everyone,
I am new on this boards, and want to let you all know I have a thread coming up about my story. It's good to have found this place, and some hope to get better.

[emay459]

Hey guys,

I wrote this out once before but by the time I tried to post it, I'd been logged out and lost it all, so I guess I'll give it another go.
About 3 years ago, I started worrying that my hairline might be receding. In retrospect it was probably just maturing as I generally had a good head of hair and wasn't having any hair fall, but either way I went to a doctor and was offered either minoxidil or finasteride. Not wanting to mess with my hormones I went with the minoxidil.
I used 5% minoxidil for about 5 months but it caused constant hair shedding, a problem I hadn't dealt with before which didn't seem to slow down with continued use. After 5 months, my hair was in a much worse state and I decided to stop the minoxidil and let my hair recover. However, from there my hair seemed to only get worse, and after a six month break with continued decline I was starting to get fairly insecure about it. I wasn't keen on any hormone altering medications but I'd been burnt by minoxidil already and was feeling desperate to do something, so with multiple doctors proclaiming it to be safe and one even taking it themselves, I decided I'd give finasteride a go.
At first I took 1.25mg twice a week to try to minimise the dose. At first I felt I had more sex drive if anything which eased my worries a bit but after about 4 months I started to experience some sexual side effects. As a response to this, I quickly dropped the drug and seemed to recover fairly quickly after a week break. I talked to my doctor who told me that it was fine to take a break from finasteride and come back to it, as taking something for the issue was better than taking nothing at all. Still feeling fairly desperate about the situation, I followed this advice and jumped back onto the finasteride at a seemingly lower dose of 0.5mg every other day. After about 2 months I started to experience sexual side effects, so I took a break for a week and I felt normal again. I continued this cycle another two times over the course of a few months before eventually deciding I'd had enough with oral finasteride when the side effects became bad enough. I seemingly recovered okay though and decided to try topical finasteride as it appeared to have a lower side effect profile based on studies I read.
I started by applying a 0.1% finasteride + retinoic acid+ 5% minoxidil solution daily, with microneedling to promote efficacy. After a week of daily application I had more severe sexual side effects than I had experienced before and so I eased off the topical finasteride, using it twice a week and minoxidil all the days between.
I did this for about 6 months from November 2020 to April 2021. At this point, I could barely get an erection when I wanted one and with a new girlfriend, I decided I'd had enough of finasteride altogether. I dropped the topical and after about a week off I started to feel better. I tried using a minoxidil+ caffeine+ retinoic acid solution during this break period and I experienced immediate ED, which reoccurred on three different incidence of trying this solution but cleared up in the days after using it. I attribute this to the retinoic acid, as I was still using minoxidil on its own regularly but the straight minoxidil was not causing any fluctuation of the issues.
From there I experienced a decline overtime in sexual function and wasn't appearing to get better. I jumped on mucuna pruriens and Dim after a couple of months because I read in a forum that they helped someone recover, and added maca later. I added pine pollen a few months ago and have been cycling 16 herbs off the list for the last 5 weeks. I also exercise regularly and have done for a long time.
I continue to use minoxidil, I know it is heavily discouraged within this forum as some people have unfortunately experienced side effects from it but it is the only thing keeping my hair going at all and I believe self image and confidence plays into sexual function as well as any physiological factors. I tried the shaved head thing after using minoxidil and literally everyone around me, family and friends told me I looked worse. That being said, I get putting your ego aside for your health and everything, but I took minoxidil on its own for 5 months without any semblance of sexual issues so I feel as though I'm not particularly sensitive to it in that way.
I used to be able to have sex all day, I had no refractory period and could get a boner at a moments notice, where now I mostly rely on cialis for consistent erections. I also have next to no libido and have had almost no morning/ spontaneous erections in the past 4 or 5 months, which used to be a fairly common occurrence.
I would say that I've had a few small upswings but they've only ever lasted a day or two and I've only felt at most at about 40% of my former self sexually in the past 4 months or so.
I'm planning on doing a juice feast and running a cycle of r andro after 8 weeks on the herb cycle. I've been reading this forum for a while and wanted to say hi and maybe chat to some of you guys who have a lot more experience dealing with this issue than I do.

Thanks to anyone who read through the essay and I look forward to chatting more with you.

[Cdsnuts]

Hey guys,

I wrote this out once before but by the time I tried to post it, I'd been logged out and lost it all, so I guess I'll give it another go.
About 3 years ago, I started worrying that my hairline might be receding. In retrospect it was probably just maturing as I generally had a good head of hair and wasn't having any hair fall, but either way I went to a doctor and was offered either minoxidil or finasteride. Not wanting to mess with my hormones I went with the minoxidil.
I used 5% minoxidil for about 5 months but it caused constant hair shedding, a problem I hadn't dealt with before which didn't seem to slow down with continued use. After 5 months, my hair was in a much worse state and I decided to stop the minoxidil and let my hair recover. However, from there my hair seemed to only get worse, and after a six month break with continued decline I was starting to get fairly insecure about it. I wasn't keen on any hormone altering medications but I'd been burnt by minoxidil already and was feeling desperate to do something, so with multiple doctors proclaiming it to be safe and one even taking it themselves, I decided I'd give finasteride a go.
At first I took 1.25mg twice a week to try to minimise the dose. At first I felt I had more sex drive if anything which eased my worries a bit but after about 4 months I started to experience some sexual side effects. As a response to this, I quickly dropped the drug and seemed to recover fairly quickly after a week break. I talked to my doctor who told me that it was fine to take a break from finasteride and come back to it, as taking something for the issue was better than taking nothing at all. Still feeling fairly desperate about the situation, I followed this advice and jumped back onto the finasteride at a seemingly lower dose of 0.5mg every other day. After about 2 months I started to experience sexual side effects, so I took a break for a week and I felt normal again. I continued this cycle another two times over the course of a few months before eventually deciding I'd had enough with oral finasteride when the side effects became bad enough. I seemingly recovered okay though and decided to try topical finasteride as it appeared to have a lower side effect profile based on studies I read.
I started by applying a 0.1% finasteride + retinoic acid+ 5% minoxidil solution daily, with microneedling to promote efficacy. After a week of daily application I had more severe sexual side effects than I had experienced before and so I eased off the topical finasteride, using it twice a week and minoxidil all the days between.
I did this for about 6 months from November 2020 to April 2021. At this point, I could barely get an erection when I wanted one and with a new girlfriend, I decided I'd had enough of finasteride altogether. I dropped the topical and after about a week off I started to feel better. I tried using a minoxidil+ caffeine+ retinoic acid solution during this break period and I experienced immediate ED, which reoccurred on three different incidence of trying this solution but cleared up in the days after using it. I attribute this to the retinoic acid, as I was still using minoxidil on its own regularly but the straight minoxidil was not causing any fluctuation of the issues.
From there I experienced a decline overtime in sexual function and wasn't appearing to get better. I jumped on mucuna pruriens and Dim after a couple of months because I read in a forum that they helped someone recover, and added maca later. I added pine pollen a few months ago and have been cycling 16 herbs off the list for the last 5 weeks. I also exercise regularly and have done for a long time.
I continue to use minoxidil, I know it is heavily discouraged within this forum as some people have unfortunately experienced side effects from it but it is the only thing keeping my hair going at all and I believe self image and confidence plays into sexual function as well as any physiological factors. I tried the shaved head thing after using minoxidil and literally everyone around me, family and friends told me I looked worse. That being said, I get putting your ego aside for your health and everything, but I took minoxidil on its own for 5 months without any semblance of sexual issues so I feel as though I'm not particularly sensitive to it in that way.
I used to be able to have sex all day, I had no refractory period and could get a boner at a moments notice, where now I mostly rely on cialis for consistent erections. I also have next to no libido and have had almost no morning/ spontaneous erections in the past 4 or 5 months, which used to be a fairly common occurrence.
I would say that I've had a few small upswings but they've only ever lasted a day or two and I've only felt at most at about 40% of my former self sexually in the past 4 months or so.
I'm planning on doing a juice feast and running a cycle of r andro after 8 weeks on the herb cycle. I've been reading this forum for a while and wanted to say hi and maybe chat to some of you guys who have a lot more experience dealing with this issue than I do.

Thanks to anyone who read through the essay and I look forward to chatting more with you.

This isn't really the place for you unfortunately.

You see, you're not going to fully help yourself by staying on the Min.

Here, you gotta get over it, to get over it, if that makes sense.

You're just spinning your wheels bro.

[AltRoute]

Greetings folks,

I have unfortunately been chosen to partake in getting out of this suddenly crappy situation I put myself into. I’m 25 y/o and After a single Fin pill in Oct my penis became numb and symptoms have progressed to the following after 6 weeks to waiting it out:

-moderate/occasional brain fog
-sleeping trouble
-muscle wastage, inability to get a “pump” in the gym
-slight Ed
-pale skin along with thinner body hair
-no oil or sebum production
-cheek facial wastage with hollow eyes
-fatigue

I luckily still have the ability to mostly be myself and get through the day but the changes have really got me to the point where I’d do anything to claw myself out of this mess and stop blaming myself for my predicament.

Will be starting my week long juice feast tomorrow and then TMO. I’ll also be creating a personal recovery thread to document progress and request advice if needed.

-Alt

[Kashemir]

Hello everyone

My first post here. I'm one of those idiots who put minoxidil on my face to make a beard. As a result, the beard did not grow much, the hair from the head began to fall out and a complex of sexual problems appeared.

Comedy.

So, first things first.

Started using Kirkland Minoxidil 5% twice daily about a year ago. I took one course (6 months) and since the results were so-so, I decided to stop. At that time, I noticed only a slight thinning of the hair on my head. They began to fall out, but not much. The loss increased over time. After 4-5 months after stopping minoxidil, the hair became very thin and when I woke up one morning I felt that something was wrong. Lack of morning erection and generally lack of life in the penis. Before that, I saw comments from people on the forums on growing beards about the loss of libido, but of course I did not pay attention on it.

I started looking for information in this direction and quickly found it.

There is a group in the telegram of victims of minoxidil with over 100 people. A very negative place. On the same day I got out of it, since there is nothing useful in it. It only contributes to the aggravation of your mental state.

Then I started researching the posts on Reddit and there were some quite helpful ones. In one of them, I read a PFS story from one of the members of this forum (I can't remember the nickname). He also brought up to date on the protocol described here and on the TotalMaleOptimization website.

This gave the only hope after two weeks of complete depression.

Now more about the symptoms I have now:

1. Hair loss on the head. And it is interesting that they also fall out a little on the body.
2. Complete lack of libido or 5% of the possible 100%. Sometimes it seems to me that it increases a little, but I tend to think that this is still a placebo.
3. I cannot say that I have complete erictile dysfunction. The penis stands when needed. But there is no attraction, so without effort, an erection does not last long. There is an erection from time to time in the morning, but I think it's because I want to go to the toilet.
4. Shrinkage of the testes and inability to cum more than 1-2 times. If I squeeze 2 out of myself, then the testicles begin to hurt terribly for several hours.
5. Low sperm count. And it is quite liquid.
6. Decreased pleasure from orgasm.

The symptoms described above are not the only ones that have been for all the time. Here are the ones that were, but seemed to be taken away:

1. Shrinking of the penis and testicles. It looked like he was constantly frozen. And it was, in general, cold.
2. Numbness of the penis / loss of sensation.
3. Pains somewhere within it.

I have been on the protocol for about 1.5 months. As I wrote above, some of the symptoms are gone. And quite sharply. I think it has to do with pumping. I haven’t pumped for about two weeks, and my penis visually looks absolutely normal, just like before the crash. Except of course the smaller testicles, but this is not very visible and varies from time to time.

I am 24. I am a master of sports in swimming. All my life in sports. I don't swim anymore, but 3 times a week I go to the gym and sometimes play football. I've always been on a good diet. I don’t drink, I don’t smoke. I don’t masturbate and have sex regularly. I have followed this lifestyle for most of my life. This is the most frustrating.

At first, I went on a juice fast for a week. Now I have tightened my diet, added the coldest shower possible, breathing practices, pumping and rotation of vitamins and herbs.

About pumping. I think the thing is useful, but the main thing is not to overdo it as I did at the beginning. At some point, I definitely overdid it and had pain in penis for about a week. After that, everything returned to normal. And it seems to have even improved.

Regarding Vitamim and herbs. I use almost everything that is indicated on the site. But most of them are from Now Foods, Swanson, Solgar. All in maximum dosages. I know that in the protocol a special bias is made precisely on the most natural supplements, but in my situation at the moment this is the best that I could order. Better than nothing.

About fasting. I guess I didn't fast long enough. I am considering fasting for 14-21 days on the water, but I want to do it in a specialized clinic. It costs a lot of money, so for now it is in the plans. The same goes for more natural supplements.

About sex. I have sex regularly, but without much desire or pleasure. Just to not forget how to do it. But as strange as it sounds, I think to do it less, since the constant emptying of the testicles does not feel like something useful. The same thing I would advise to those who masturbate.

Well, this is probably everything I wanted to write.

Of course, I am very interested in the question of why I developed symptoms after 4-5 months after stopping minoxidil. Apparently this thing causes serious damage to the body. For someone, everything collapses abruptly, for someone smoothly.

Mentally I control myself for the most part, but of course there are moments of slight despair and regret for what I have done. Plus, I still have a little doubt that PFS and minoxidil accidents are the same thing and respond to treatment in the same way. But what's the difference, there are no other options.

I wish everyone progress and not lose heart. I would be glad to read the comments and opinions. I will also make reports from time to time.

[isseo]

Good evening everyone, I am French, please excuse me for my English, I am not good at foreign languages.

First of all, I have had PFS for 4 years and had continued to take finasteride until 1.5 years ago. Indeed, I had not made the link because it came gradually ...

Today my disabling symptoms are:
- anhedonia
- 0 libido
- No erection in the morning and randomly
- if I masturbate, they are approximately equal to ~ 60-70% pre-finasteride - very bad sleep
- And I have had difficulty swallowing for 2 months after trying CBD ... Added to that: stomach ache, a lot of burping, feeling of lump in the throat and zero appetite.

(If some people have this last problem I would like some advice please, as it is difficult for me to feed myself. This is really the worst symptom for me. It had eased last week but it was comes back with the resumption of work (I was on sick leave). Stress probably has a big influence on it.)


At the same time, I was on TRT (250mg of androtardyl every 3 weeks) and I will not do the next injection because CD said that it would interfere with the smooth running of the protocol. Otherwise, I did a 1 week fast, and it's been 10 days that I have followed the protocol at 90% (I have not yet bought the Bathmate and the brush to wash): I already see the positive.
- More motivation
- Less tired (while my testosterone level is surely catastrophic because I did not renew my TRT)
- At times, I feel calm, it's very strange because it's been a long time since I felt this. In any case, I thank you very much because I regained hope by discovering this forum.

And that is very important to live the protocol 100%, and finally get out of this hell. Good evening, take care of yourself

[Cdsnuts]

Good evening everyone, I am French, please excuse me for my English, I am not good at foreign languages.

First of all, I have had PFS for 4 years and had continued to take finasteride until 1.5 years ago. Indeed, I had not made the link because it came gradually ...

Today my disabling symptoms are:
- anhedonia
- 0 libido
- No erection in the morning and randomly
- if I masturbate, they are approximately equal to ~ 60-70% pre-finasteride - very bad sleep
- And I have had difficulty swallowing for 2 months after trying CBD ... Added to that: stomach ache, a lot of burping, feeling of lump in the throat and zero appetite.

(If some people have this last problem I would like some advice please, as it is difficult for me to feed myself. This is really the worst symptom for me. It had eased last week but it was comes back with the resumption of work (I was on sick leave). Stress probably has a big influence on it.)


At the same time, I was on TRT (250mg of androtardyl every 3 weeks) and I will not do the next injection because CD said that it would interfere with the smooth running of the protocol. Otherwise, I did a 1 week fast, and it's been 10 days that I have followed the protocol at 90% (I have not yet bought the Bathmate and the brush to wash): I already see the positive.
- More motivation
- Less tired (while my testosterone level is surely catastrophic because I did not renew my TRT)
- At times, I feel calm, it's very strange because it's been a long time since I felt this. In any case, I thank you very much because I regained hope by discovering this forum.

And that is very important to live the protocol 100%, and finally get out of this hell. Good evening, take care of yourself

The feeling of calm after so long is your body telling you, you are doing the right thing. That's how you know you're on the right path. Welcome.

[lastnoirking87]

My formal introduction is pretty overdue at this point. I took saw palmetto (standardized extract) for about 6.5 months. Looking back on it, I was getting warning signs as early as month 2, but was not making the connection to SP. I recall waking up one day and feeling lethargic, with achy joints. This went on for a few days and then disappeared. Somewhere around that time as well, I began having elevated anxiety, but since I could always relate the anxiety to some cause in my life, I figured it was "normal," although this sort of prolonged anxiety really isn't normal for me. Shortly after this period, I started having a hard time finding enjoyment in anything that normally brought me pleasure. All of these symptoms coinciding led me to pick back up drinking, which was something I had done a good job of leaving behind shortly prior to starting SP. Alongside these bothersome symptoms, however, was a recurring libido spike I kept experiencing. I believe this somewhat took my mind off of the other anxiety/depression symptoms and led me away from considering anything serious was awry. Anyhow, around month 6 in, I began having intermittent ED with my fiance. I initially blamed it on the drinking, although that had never caused any issues in that department before, but after a handful of times, those warnings about PFS and the possibility of SP inducing the same condition suddenly resurfaced in my mind for the first time since beginning to take it, and I immediately ceased intake.
As I've heard a number of others attest, I experienced a remission of symptoms for maybe a week prior to things going downhill fast. Libido and energy dropped off significantly, and I continued to drink for about a month after stopping the herb, due to the depressing side effects I was noticing. Some time in early September I found CD's protocol by way of first landing on Maxout's recovery thread via a Google search of some combination of terms like "saw palmetto, pfs, erectile dysfunction," etc., and made a sort of half-assed effort by ordering a few herbs and committing to quitting drinking. A large part of me at this time was in a sort of self-denial/fear about the whole situation still, and was hanging onto some possibility that what I was experiencing was a result of something else, or just needed a few months to work itself out.
Over the next few months, a few interesting things occurred, despite my not adopting the protocol yet. Some time in early November, my semen was white for the first time in a few months, after which point it returned to the clear watery consistency I had become familiar with. A few weeks later, around late November, it was again white, and has remained so up to this day. The duration of those few months also saw a few episodes of testicle aches which typically lasted for a few hours, or in one case a whole day. Back in October, I experienced mild shooting pains in my penis which came and went for a few weeks, in addition to the cold sensation and numbness down there (it not only was cool to the touch, but I was also mentally aware of it feeling internally cold) which was also off and on for about a month. The penis and testicular pains and cold sensation were particularly frightening to me, and I am happy to say that it has been about 1.5 months since those symptoms have occurred. Also during that time I had a few instances of a sharp pain in my pubic bone/prostate area, and at other times, much more frequently, a perineum twitching that could sometimes go on for 5 minutes straight. Around early December I began implementing almost every aspect of the protocol aside from the herbs and the juice feast, and it was around late December that I stopped getting the perineum twitching. At this point, I decided to go full on with the protocol for the new year, so I undertook a xenoestrogen purge within my house and stocked up on about 15 herbs. I finished the 7 day juice feast on January 9th, and shortly thereafter began the herb rotation/rest of the protocol, along with daily probiotics/L-tyrosine/sorghum flour/continuing to drink a juice every day, and semi-daily pine pollen powder.
At this point, all of my neurological symptoms have subsided. Though I didn't mention them all, I was experiencing blurry vision, vertigo, and inability to concentrate along with the anxiety/emotional numbness. It has been a month since I had a major crash, that last one including testicular ache/blurry vision/ stomach and groin pains. Physical symptoms such as muscle weakness and twiching, and as I said, the prostate issues, have seemingly resolved as well, whether through natural healing over time and/or the implementation of the protocol, I cannot say for sure.
Where I stand now, and as of the last month or so, is looking to mostly get my sexual symptoms resolved. I occasionally have normal (or maybe mostly normal) sexual functioning, but more often than not, my erections take longer than normal to achieve, and it is a task to maintain them. The slightest deviation of focus from the subject of my arousal leads to an almost instantaneous weakening or loss of erection, and it then takes me some time to get back into the aroused state of mind. Orgasms are somewhat muted, to be sure, and not nearly as pleasurable as they should be. Ejaculation force is strong, however, and as I mentioned, semen is white (things I never thought I would be particularly grateful for). I very often have what I suppose would be classified as a tendency to prematurely ejaculate, but this is particularly bothersome since its almsot as if my dick wants to go from unaroused/disinterested to ready to ejaculate within a matter of seconds. As you can imagine, sex is problematic, and being that I am with my fiance, these sexual issues are extremely irritating to me, after 4.5 months of dealing with them, despite my being immensely grateful for having left behind the neurological problems.
The strange thing now is, I almost wonder if my body thinks it has done its job with healing, since so many other things have been resolved. It would seem that at least some improvement in the sexual department would have accompanied all the other improvements in other areas, but this seems to be the really hard to reach spot. I didn't specifically state it, but libido is much lower than normal, and the related visual stimulus arousal seems highly impacted. It almost feels like some section of my brain/personality has been removed, to not experience arousal at the sight of things which you are accustomed to being made insatiable by. Very strange. I feel confident that these remaining sexual symptoms will be resolved with dedication to the protocol, since I've experienced so much healing already at the start of it. I gather from others on here that the sexual stuff typically takes the most time to fix, so I'm prepared for that. While I've done a massive amount of research into the various facets of the protocol, the one area I'm still pretty clueless on is the prohormones, but I feel I will be itching to get into them once 2-3 months of herb cycling has gone by (assuming I'm still dealing with sexual issues).
I have difficulty with keeping things short and sweet, so that was pretty involved. Maybe once I'm healed it will be a worthwhile record for someone else in the future with similar symptoms. All in all, my research into the protocol has sparked a new passion for health in me, and I have completely lost interest in alcohol, and genuinely wish to not only achieve a resolution of PFS symptoms, but to go far beyond that into new territories of physical and mental/emotional/spiritual health....thanks for listening.

[Outlaw]

My formal introduction is pretty overdue at this point. I took saw palmetto (standardized extract) for about 6.5 months. Looking back on it, I was getting warning signs as early as month 2, but was not making the connection to SP. I recall waking up one day and feeling lethargic, with achy joints. This went on for a few days and then disappeared. Somewhere around that time as well, I began having elevated anxiety, but since I could always relate the anxiety to some cause in my life, I figured it was "normal," although this sort of prolonged anxiety really isn't normal for me. Shortly after this period, I started having a hard time finding enjoyment in anything that normally brought me pleasure. All of these symptoms coinciding led me to pick back up drinking, which was something I had done a good job of leaving behind shortly prior to starting SP. Alongside these bothersome symptoms, however, was a recurring libido spike I kept experiencing. I believe this somewhat took my mind off of the other anxiety/depression symptoms and led me away from considering anything serious was awry. Anyhow, around month 6 in, I began having intermittent ED with my fiance. I initially blamed it on the drinking, although that had never caused any issues in that department before, but after a handful of times, those warnings about PFS and the possibility of SP inducing the same condition suddenly resurfaced in my mind for the first time since beginning to take it, and I immediately ceased intake.
As I've heard a number of others attest, I experienced a remission of symptoms for maybe a week prior to things going downhill fast. Libido and energy dropped off significantly, and I continued to drink for about a month after stopping the herb, due to the depressing side effects I was noticing. Some time in early September I found CD's protocol by way of first landing on Maxout's recovery thread via a Google search of some combination of terms like "saw palmetto, pfs, erectile dysfunction," etc., and made a sort of half-assed effort by ordering a few herbs and committing to quitting drinking. A large part of me at this time was in a sort of self-denial/fear about the whole situation still, and was hanging onto some possibility that what I was experiencing was a result of something else, or just needed a few months to work itself out.
Over the next few months, a few interesting things occurred, despite my not adopting the protocol yet. Some time in early November, my semen was white for the first time in a few months, after which point it returned to the clear watery consistency I had become familiar with. A few weeks later, around late November, it was again white, and has remained so up to this day. The duration of those few months also saw a few episodes of testicle aches which typically lasted for a few hours, or in one case a whole day. Back in October, I experienced mild shooting pains in my penis which came and went for a few weeks, in addition to the cold sensation and numbness down there (it not only was cool to the touch, but I was also mentally aware of it feeling internally cold) which was also off and on for about a month. The penis and testicular pains and cold sensation were particularly frightening to me, and I am happy to say that it has been about 1.5 months since those symptoms have occurred. Also during that time I had a few instances of a sharp pain in my pubic bone/prostate area, and at other times, much more frequently, a perineum twitching that could sometimes go on for 5 minutes straight. Around early December I began implementing almost every aspect of the protocol aside from the herbs and the juice feast, and it was around late December that I stopped getting the perineum twitching. At this point, I decided to go full on with the protocol for the new year, so I undertook a xenoestrogen purge within my house and stocked up on about 15 herbs. I finished the 7 day juice feast on January 9th, and shortly thereafter began the herb rotation/rest of the protocol, along with daily probiotics/L-tyrosine/sorghum flour/continuing to drink a juice every day, and semi-daily pine pollen powder.
At this point, all of my neurological symptoms have subsided. Though I didn't mention them all, I was experiencing blurry vision, vertigo, and inability to concentrate along with the anxiety/emotional numbness. It has been a month since I had a major crash, that last one including testicular ache/blurry vision/ stomach and groin pains. Physical symptoms such as muscle weakness and twiching, and as I said, the prostate issues, have seemingly resolved as well, whether through natural healing over time and/or the implementation of the protocol, I cannot say for sure.
Where I stand now, and as of the last month or so, is looking to mostly get my sexual symptoms resolved. I occasionally have normal (or maybe mostly normal) sexual functioning, but more often than not, my erections take longer than normal to achieve, and it is a task to maintain them. The slightest deviation of focus from the subject of my arousal leads to an almost instantaneous weakening or loss of erection, and it then takes me some time to get back into the aroused state of mind. Orgasms are somewhat muted, to be sure, and not nearly as pleasurable as they should be. Ejaculation force is strong, however, and as I mentioned, semen is white (things I never thought I would be particularly grateful for). I very often have what I suppose would be classified as a tendency to prematurely ejaculate, but this is particularly bothersome since its almsot as if my dick wants to go from unaroused/disinterested to ready to ejaculate within a matter of seconds. As you can imagine, sex is problematic, and being that I am with my fiance, these sexual issues are extremely irritating to me, after 4.5 months of dealing with them, despite my being immensely grateful for having left behind the neurological problems.
The strange thing now is, I almost wonder if my body thinks it has done its job with healing, since so many other things have been resolved. It would seem that at least some improvement in the sexual department would have accompanied all the other improvements in other areas, but this seems to be the really hard to reach spot. I didn't specifically state it, but libido is much lower than normal, and the related visual stimulus arousal seems highly impacted. It almost feels like some section of my brain/personality has been removed, to not experience arousal at the sight of things which you are accustomed to being made insatiable by. Very strange. I feel confident that these remaining sexual symptoms will be resolved with dedication to the protocol, since I've experienced so much healing already at the start of it. I gather from others on here that the sexual stuff typically takes the most time to fix, so I'm prepared for that. While I've done a massive amount of research into the various facets of the protocol, the one area I'm still pretty clueless on is the prohormones, but I feel I will be itching to get into them once 2-3 months of herb cycling has gone by (assuming I'm still dealing with sexual issues).
I have difficulty with keeping things short and sweet, so that was pretty involved. Maybe once I'm healed it will be a worthwhile record for someone else in the future with similar symptoms. All in all, my research into the protocol has sparked a new passion for health in me, and I have completely lost interest in alcohol, and genuinely wish to not only achieve a resolution of PFS symptoms, but to go far beyond that into new territories of physical and mental/emotional/spiritual health....thanks for listening.
Hi King,

Indeed, mental symptoms are usually the first to go.

If it can reassure you when I started the protocol in March, I had the crazy premature ejaculation you're talking about, along with no visual arousal.

Fastforward to September, the premature was maybe 40% better, and I could get aroused from visual. Got a setback from something else in September, but I hope it can show you how it can improve.

[lastnoirking87]

Hi King,

Indeed, mental symptoms are usually the first to go.

If it can reassure you when I started the protocol in March, I had the crazy premature ejaculation you're talking about, along with no visual arousal.

Fastforward to September, the premature was maybe 40% better, and I could get aroused from visual. Got a setback from something else in September, but I hope it can show you how it can improve.

It really does help to hear it from someone who has experienced the same thing. I'm such a visually oriented person to begin with, that the loss of visual arousal is extremely depressing/disconcerting to me. Might seem trivial compared to what some guys on here are going through, but having tasted the fruits of normalcy in these other mental aspects, I'm absolutely determined to fight tooth and nail to get every last bit of sexual prowess back.
I've actually read through the vast majority of your recovery log, and I believe it was methylated vitamins that caused you to crash in september? Anyhow, early on in my struggles to accept my fate/commit to this lifestyle overhaul, you were one whose persistence really inspired me. This is why it is so important for us to keep these logs of our progress. We never know who we are helping.

[Outlaw]

It really does help to hear it from someone who has experienced the same thing. I'm such a visually oriented person to begin with, that the loss of visual arousal is extremely depressing/disconcerting to me. Might seem trivial compared to what some guys on here are going through, but having tasted the fruits of normalcy in these other mental aspects, I'm absolutely determined to fight tooth and nail to get every last bit of sexual prowess back.
I've actually read through the vast majority of your recovery log, and I believe it was methylated vitamins that caused you to crash in september? Anyhow, early on in my struggles to accept my fate/commit to this lifestyle overhaul, you were one whose persistence really inspired me. This is why it is so important for us to keep these logs of our progress. We never know who we are helping.
Yea long story, but it was a normal B vitamin.

Man to give you an idea, in March I had pretty much all the sexual sides, with a crazy rubbery sensitive dick. And on my 2nd cycle in September, I would sometimes get hard just looking at a girl in class. I was days away from sleeping with an old fling too, but the B vitamin had other plans.

Warms my heart that my thread helped you. Still a long way to go but one day it's gonna be a hell of a trail. I don't want to hijack this introduction section but if there's anything I'm here man. We're all in this together

[lastnoirking87]

Yea long story, but it was a normal B vitamin.

Man to give you an idea, in March I had pretty much all the sexual sides, with a crazy rubbery sensitive dick. And on my 2nd cycle in September, I would sometimes get hard just looking at a girl in class. I was days away from sleeping with an old fling too, but the B vitamin had other plans.

Warms my heart that my thread helped you. Still a long way to go but one day it's gonna be a hell of a trail. I don't want to hijack this introduction section but if there's anything I'm here man. We're all in this together

Yeah, I remember you had a lot of the sexual stuff I could relate to, including the pains and sensation issues. I neglected to mention I had more than a few bouts of tinnitus over the last few months too, but thankfully never lasted more than a couple of minutes. I will definitely be writing you in the future, most likely for insights into the prohormones. Thanks for being there, and good luck going forward.

[Soolius_Jeezer]

I'm a user from PH, where Mr. Nuts is pretty maligned, but I'm trying to be open-minded and I have some inquiries. I'm curious to know the success rate of the protocol. I've seen about a dozen users namedropped that have improved under the protocol. Are there more? How many have seen this protocol to the end without improving? Please don't say literally no one because that's impossible to believe.

I pretty much only have sexual sides. Can this protocol help me or is it only for those who have mental/emotional sides? If I do this protocol, when can I expect to start seeing improvements?

I'd also appreciate any helpful old forum links that anyone has. I've seen the TMO website but any old forum posts that expand on the info there (like how to best rotate supplements or something) would still be great.

[hopeplease]

I'm a user from PH, where Mr. Nuts is pretty maligned, but I'm trying to be open-minded and I have some inquiries. I'm curious to know the success rate of the protocol. I've seen about a dozen users namedropped that have improved under the protocol. Are there more? How many have seen this protocol to the end without improving? Please don't say literally no one because that's impossible to believe.

I pretty much only have sexual sides. Can this protocol help me or is it only for those who have mental/emotional sides? If I do this protocol, when can I expect to start seeing improvements?

I'd also appreciate any helpful old forum links that anyone has. I've seen the TMO website but any old forum posts that expand on the info there (like how to best rotate supplements or something) would still be great.



No one can honestly answer these questions, CD will guarantee you 6 -24 month "cure", but obviously that's not true. There's little harm in trying though

If you have seen his original post on PH, I would probably just do that since that is what he claimed cured him before adding on about 100 other things with affiliate links.

[road to recover]

hes a fucking spiv

do a fucking drill seargeant course for two years for your low t

or alternatively just get sime hcg from a proifessional

stupid fuciking cunt

hes move on to conning general men now ths forums fucked

[road to recover]

between this shite and getting my pfs fucking exposed at an office took cunting quetipaine now looking up pentobarbital sourse online

[Soolius_Jeezer]

This post is for hopeplease. It's also a test post because my first comment is awaiting moderation and my last one I accidentally deleted.

Anyway, what's your story hopeplease? Your account is new, did you have an older one?

[Mjw1999]

hes a fucking spiv

do a fucking drill seargeant course for two years for your low t

or alternatively just get sime hcg from a proifessional

stupid fuciking cunt

hes move on to conning general men now ths forums fucked

The Spiv round here is you, you are a dick!!!

[Soolius_Jeezer]

Another test comment. I think I figured it out: I can post just fine on mobile but desktop needs "moderation".

Anyway, I dm'd you on PH. And can someone help me nail down exactly what the protocol is supposed to be?

It seems to me it's mainly: workout, Paleo diet (except on workout days where you carboload), and take one t-boosting herb a day (rotate between 21 different ones).

And then also: avoid xenoestrogens (if you can help it), coldwater showers, dick pumping, and sunbathe your nuts a few minutes a day.

Am I missing anything?

[bammy1122]

Hi everyone,

I'm new here and trying to start my own recovery thread but keep getting the message 'your post will remain invisible until moderator approval'.

Is cd the only moderator here? If so it seems he hasn't logged on since last year so not sure what to do to get my own thread up and running. Any suggestions would be great.

I've tried posting on both desktop and mobile.

[Mjw1999]

Hi everyone,

I'm new here and trying to start my own recovery thread but keep getting the message 'your post will remain invisible until moderator approval'.

Is cd the only moderator here? If so it seems he hasn't logged on since last year so not sure what to do to get my own thread up and running. Any suggestions would be great.

I've tried posting on both desktop and mobile.

Welcome!
Yeah it’s a pain, just try and keep posting, you may need a minimum amount of posts to get going!
How long have you been suffering?

[lastnoirking87]

Another test comment. I think I figured it out: I can post just fine on mobile but desktop needs "moderation".

Anyway, I dm'd you on PH. And can someone help me nail down exactly what the protocol is supposed to be?

It seems to me it's mainly: workout, Paleo diet (except on workout days where you carboload), and take one t-boosting herb a day (rotate between 21 different ones).

And then also: avoid xenoestrogens (if you can help it), coldwater showers, dick pumping, and sunbathe your nuts a few minutes a day.

Am I missing anything?

The entire protocol is explained in detail at totalmaleoptimization.com

[Soolius_Jeezer]

I've read through TMO but it's a lot to take in so I was trying to sparknotes it. I think I did a fair job, would you agree?

[bammy1122]

Welcome!
Yeah it’s a pain, just try and keep posting, you may need a minimum amount of posts to get going!
How long have you been suffering?

Thanks man, let's hope this reply then counts to the minimum number I need. I will keep trying.

Any other advice from anyone on how I can get my thread approved would be appreciated.

[Kurse]

Thanks man, let's hope this reply then counts to the minimum number I need. I will keep trying.

Any other advice from anyone on how I can get my thread approved would be appreciated.

I think I had to accept a confirmation email to start a thread. Try and check spam/junk mail in your email and see if you can find one :)

[bammy1122]

I think I had to accept a confirmation email to start a thread. Try and check spam/junk mail in your email and see if you can find one :)

Hey Kurse, tried this to no luck. I sent an email to the swolesource support email - maybe this will get them to realize the issue or get them to assign new active moderators. We'll have to see. Otherwise it's a big waste of this positive community for PFS if new people can't post to document their healing journeys, questions and insights. I feel PFS will be just as rampant now and in future as it's ever been so this community still well and truly serves a great function and purpose for that. Hopefully, we can somehow drum the place up again to the standards and vibes it was in the past when cd was at the helm.