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DJM
03-15-2013, 12:56 PM
Student Sarmad Alladin, 18, known as Mr Muscles dies 'after taking DNP fat-burning pills' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2282158/Student-Sarmad-Alladin-18-known-Mr-Muscles-dies-taking-DNP-fat-burning-pills.html)

weekend
03-15-2013, 02:17 PM
Student Sarmad Alladin, 18, known as Mr Muscles dies 'after taking DNP fat-burning pills' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2282158/Student-Sarmad-Alladin-18-known-Mr-Muscles-dies-taking-DNP-fat-burning-pills.html)

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SoCal-Nutrition
03-15-2013, 02:46 PM
I couldn't stand the idea of cooking myself from the inside out...ewww.

Coolazice
03-15-2013, 02:53 PM
And people think T3 is dangerous for fat-loss.

milehighguy
03-15-2013, 03:45 PM
Man that totally sucks! Only 18

nate3993
03-15-2013, 06:03 PM
dam. that's crazy. at least one of the girls was taking a high amount? is it really any more dangerous than ephedra or DMAA?

Coolazice
03-15-2013, 06:09 PM
dam. that's crazy. at least one of the girls was taking a high amount? is it really any more dangerous than ephedra or DMAA?

From what I've read - yes.

SoCal-Nutrition
03-15-2013, 06:24 PM
dam. that's crazy. at least one of the girls was taking a high amount? is it really any more dangerous than ephedra or DMAA?

it's significantly more dangerous!

users have reported burning 5-7 lbs of fat in a week. from my understanding, it actually reduces the efficiency of how your body burns calories, causing you to burn much more calories than normal...like more than double.

in doing such, all that energy is displaced as heat...this creates a significant amount of issues, from concerns on cooking your internals, to the strain this places on your body as it attempts to keep you cool (that can place quite a bit of strain on the heart...using your body like a radiator to cool it off).

Scope75
03-15-2013, 06:27 PM
Sounds like it microwaves you from the inside!!
Fuck that shit!!!

Macdon1588
03-15-2013, 06:59 PM
I'll stick to the safe stuff like coke and meth;-)

BBG
03-15-2013, 09:23 PM
dam. that's crazy. at least one of the girls was taking a high amount? is it really any more dangerous than ephedra or DMAA?

Way more dangerous. Literally you are cooking yourself.

nate3993
03-16-2013, 01:27 PM
Dam. That's some crazy shit. What about in super low doses? I think Porter had advocated low dose hadn't he?

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 01:30 PM
Sounded dangerous at low doses too. I don't remember exactly what was in it, but it didn't sound like anything I would put in my body.

weekend
03-16-2013, 01:31 PM
Hah. I'm a bio major.. The way DNP works is by screwing up the electron transport chain, which is a huge part of ATP production. Moving through glycolysis, the Krebs cycle and electron transport chain adds up to production of about 30 ATP... All storable, useable chemical energy. But in the presence of DNP, the electron transport chain doesn't work well if at all, and you produce anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 the ATP.

This means you're going to have extra unstorable chemical energy laying around, which your body metabolizes immediately by force. The amount of DNP you take dictates how many cells are affected by it.. Too many and then you cook yourself.

But in theory, with proper dosing it is a really cool idea. Needs a lot of Supervision..

nate3993
03-16-2013, 01:38 PM
Scary shit. I guess Clen is safer?

weekend
03-16-2013, 01:44 PM
I'd say so... But with clen you're pretty much doing some kind of damage no matter the dose.. Whereas DNP technically doesn't hurt you unless you take too much.

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I feel like DNP would be pretty safe at 1/4 whatever the average dose is... To force a much slower loss of fat over a longer period.

Pretty much people should stay away from it though

DJM
03-16-2013, 02:17 PM
^^^^strongly disagree

just a look at all the supports one needs with dnp is alarming enough.......it robs the body of tons of key nutrients while it does its work, for a user its paramount to have a stock of vitamins and electrolytes

users report fatigue to the point one cant workout, cardio is ill advised, fans are mandatory, and so on ..... all at low doses, then there are those who feel the need to be dangerous and climb to 600mg to really turn up the heat

clen is far and away safer, and im a huge clen hater.....ill worry about my heart down the road with clen, cause with dnp there isnt a down the road in some cases

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 02:31 PM
Pretty much people should stay away from it though

This.

weekend
03-16-2013, 02:40 PM
I was saying like 25 mg if the average starter dose is 100 mg. And I don't know how it would rob the body of nutrients.

DJM
03-16-2013, 02:59 PM
25 would do nada i think, theres a point where a dose of anything can be too low

SoCal-Nutrition
03-16-2013, 03:04 PM
just step away from the DNP

tallstraw
03-16-2013, 03:09 PM
I highly disagree, i've read about it tons. Since the thought of just having to eat fruit and meat, for a week or 2, and not workout to just shed fat seemed awesome. But so I read a bunch on it. At doses of 250mg a day, for 11-14 days you can burn 7+lbs of pure fat, while saving muscle, almost side effect free at that dose. Actually when you read studies, and anecdotal evidence from people who aren't automatically against it going into reading about it. It's actually not bad for you at all per-say. There's a good deal of benefits from it.


Would I ever do it, no. I don't drink enough water or anything now, let alone when it could kill me lol. Nor do I feel like feeling shitty for 2 weeks in the Army. So this isn't from a standpoint of someone who wants to do it. But after reading about it, and all the positivty, as well as the beneifts from it, I don't think it's bad at all within reason, and watched over fairly closely.

DJM
03-16-2013, 03:10 PM
cough cough
do a log

tallstraw
03-16-2013, 03:13 PM
Fuck no, I don't wanna feel like death, I already get depressed from WA weather.

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 03:15 PM
Fuck no, I don't wanna feel like death, I already get depressed from WA weather.

Is it the lack of sunshine?

tallstraw
03-16-2013, 03:20 PM
In this sunny ass state!? No way...... ;)

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 03:24 PM
In this sunny ass state!? No way...... ;)

I've heard it was bad over there, but I have never been that far west (or north) to experience it for myself. I know this constantly overcast Ohio weather is sucking lately and really bringing me down too.

tallstraw
03-16-2013, 03:42 PM
I've heard it was bad over there, but I have never been that far west (or north) to experience it for myself. I know this constantly overcast Ohio weather is sucking lately and really bringing me down too.

Yeah it's bad, so I tan. If I don't tan, I start feelign the effects in about a week or 2 if I haven't been tanning.

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 03:46 PM
Yeah it's bad, so I tan. If I don't tan, I start feelign the effects in about a week or 2 if I haven't been tanning.

I should try that.

weekend
03-16-2013, 03:47 PM
Yeah it's bad, so I tan. If I don't tan, I start feelign the effects in about a week or 2 if I haven't been tanning.

it isn't that bad... i got a free week of tanning the other month and i did notice some boost in my gym pumps it seemed...

gotta love that seattle summer though

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 03:59 PM
gotta love that seattle summer though

Please describe...

weekend
03-16-2013, 04:21 PM
Please describe...

google images - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=google+images&aq=f&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=E_BEUcTzCoParAGa64GQAg&biw=1050&bih=866&sei=FPBEUZi8D4THrQGIg4GAAQ#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=seattle+summer&oq=seattle+summer&gs_l=img.3..0j0i24l9.1593.3185.7.3288.9.4.2.3.3.0. 64.249.4.4.0...0.0...1c.1.6.img.1v9960K1LI8&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43828540,d.aWM&fp=791e24cf5814a43a&biw=1050&bih=866)

this link seems like it might not work... google images seattle summer.

you'll get a pretty good idea

tallstraw
03-16-2013, 04:21 PM
Please describe...

It's soemthing a native[only] says. They're so satisfied with mediocre shit weather, that any glimmer of sunshine and 70' temps makes them cream their pants lol. Believe me, it's bad. I'm from MD, not the sunniest, hottest, or most tropical state, but it's awesome, and always sunny. It sucks being here. If it was sunny here, didn't rain as much, and had gulf stream water like the east coast. This would be the best state ever. There's so much to do. But it gets shit on by all the rain, frigid water and cloud cover. It blows, big time. I notice a state of mind change almost immeditaely after i've tanned the next few days. But if I don't tan, within a week, sometimes 2, I realize how far my mood has slipped from where it was. Once I tan again, it all goes away.

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 04:31 PM
google images - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=google+images&aq=f&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=E_BEUcTzCoParAGa64GQAg&biw=1050&bih=866&sei=FPBEUZi8D4THrQGIg4GAAQ#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=seattle+summer&oq=seattle+summer&gs_l=img.3..0j0i24l9.1593.3185.7.3288.9.4.2.3.3.0. 64.249.4.4.0...0.0...1c.1.6.img.1v9960K1LI8&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43828540,d.aWM&fp=791e24cf5814a43a&biw=1050&bih=866)

this link seems like it might not work... google images seattle summer.

you'll get a pretty good idea

The mountains and whales would be cool to see. Thanks.

szary
03-16-2013, 04:33 PM
It's soemthing a native[only] says. They're so satisfied with mediocre shit weather, that any glimmer of sunshine and 70' temps .... all the rain, frigid water and cloud cover. It blows, big time.....
Sounds like safe weather to try this DNP? You will never overheat or cook your vital organs.

Coolazice
03-16-2013, 04:34 PM
It's soemthing a native[only] says. They're so satisfied with mediocre shit weather, that any glimmer of sunshine and 70' temps makes them cream their pants lol. Believe me, it's bad. I'm from MD, not the sunniest, hottest, or most tropical state, but it's awesome, and always sunny. It sucks being here. If it was sunny here, didn't rain as much, and had gulf stream water like the east coast. This would be the best state ever. There's so much to do. But it gets shit on by all the rain, frigid water and cloud cover. It blows, big time. I notice a state of mind change almost immeditaely after i've tanned the next few days. But if I don't tan, within a week, sometimes 2, I realize how far my mood has slipped from where it was. Once I tan again, it all goes away.

You don't paint a very pretty picture. lol Sounds like Washington would be worth visiting at least once though. Maryland was pretty similar to Ohio weather-wise and I wouldn't mind visiting there again either.

Thanks, guys!

szary
03-16-2013, 04:40 PM
Also back to the thread - this kid was from UK - anyone has any info of "solid places" to buy this before the possible upcoming ban???

weekend
03-16-2013, 05:31 PM
don't do it dude! just eat broccoli and sirloin!

tallstraw
03-16-2013, 06:30 PM
Look on Phf, there's a DNP thread. If you can read it the right way. PM the person you should be, and they'll refer you to the guy everyone on these sites gets their DNP from. He gets pure crystal dnp from the manufacturer. He's a good dude selling it for the right reasons. His kid or kids have disabilities and does it to pay the healthcare and bills down.


I think the only reason to do it would be as a priming before a Cycle. Or if you're around 15+% bodyfat

Enuke65
03-16-2013, 10:17 PM
I didn't bother looking anything up, but if I remember correctly this shit is like a pesticide? Right?

tallstraw
03-16-2013, 10:29 PM
Herbicide I think, and a dye, something like that.

DJM
03-16-2013, 11:19 PM
Also back to the thread - this kid was from UK - anyone has any info of "solid places" to buy this before the possible upcoming ban???
its not an otc product

DJM
03-16-2013, 11:24 PM
id recommend oral tren 1000 times before id tell someone to try dnp,jmo

tallstraw
03-17-2013, 12:26 AM
id recommend oral tren 1000 times before id tell someone to try dnp,jmo
How's that even quantifiable or relatable?

SoCal-Nutrition
03-17-2013, 04:37 AM
How's that even quantifiable or relatable?

I'm pretty sure that's just DJ stating that he'd never rec dnp to anyone...

in reality, this stuff is toxic as fukc, and should be considered as such. there are people that will use it, but those people should have an extreme understanding of it's use.

szary
03-17-2013, 07:14 AM
I'm pretty sure that's just DJ stating that he'd never rec dnp to anyone...

in reality, this stuff is toxic as fukc, and should be considered as such. there are people that will use it, but those people should have an extreme understanding of it's use.

It wouldn't be REALLY for ME, I was burning inside out after just 15mg of ostarine , So I'm quite sensitive to that, I just noticed that there are plentiful about underground DNP and there are more discussions about people ( specifically in UK) being duped into buying fake stuff , So I'm more interested in finding Trusted source than actually buying this.

h2s
03-17-2013, 08:47 AM
Fuck DNP. I have talked to competitors who will take anything and everything they can get their hands on hormone wise, at dosages unheard of, that still wont touch DNP. If you can't lose fat without something like DNP, you are probably going to be very unsuccessful in terms of this hobby.

tallstraw
03-17-2013, 04:11 PM
It's not for thr people who are at 10% > bf. You dont see results that are great when you're single digit. It's mostly for the people who are just finishing a bulk (dirty) or priming (I think how it should be used).

weekend
03-17-2013, 04:23 PM
I feel like its easy to lose fat until you get to sub 10 and that's where it would be most useful...

DJM
03-17-2013, 04:50 PM
eca when 15% or lower
eat fkn better 15%+

burlyman30
03-17-2013, 06:03 PM
DNP was originally prescribed 60 years ago for overweight housewives. It was like cardio in a bottle for them. Of course, when they took more to lose more and started dropping like flies, the prescriptions vanished into thin air.

h2s
03-17-2013, 06:29 PM
eca when 15% or lower
eat fkn better 15%+

We always agree so often.

weekend
03-17-2013, 06:34 PM
do you guys really like eca that much? i haven't tried it, but it sounds appealing. im at about 11% now... trying to get to 8 and then oscillate between 8 and 10 for the whole summer.

never got below 9% before and that was only for a few weeks.

DJM
03-17-2013, 06:38 PM
We always agree so often.

haha

ill be the first to admit to be over 15%bf quite often, and in the past id resort to shit like eca, otc burners ect, and results were always piss poor, and even look in the mirror and tell myself i looked leaner but it was bs......nothing fixes poor diet, and once that is fixed and the person gets what works for them, be it scope's carbnite log as an example (i for one would never eat like that consistently high or not), theyll see change and not need pills

anyone who is regularly under 10% must be competitive or not carrying as much muscle as they think, then id say yeah do what you gotta do

but in the adhd age, guys younger and younger resort to more and more shit they can take