tHE BRuTaL MaCHiNe VaYNEZ: Journey to AESTHETICzZzZz

[VayneZ]

Today I felt it big time at the gym bro! I was sweating the whole place up!! Leaving every machine extremely wet and I was dripping sweat all over the gym!! It was leg day mind you. Maybe the coconut oil contributed to the mad amount of sweat as well.

Weekend about the bloat... Do you feel gas pain because of the DNP? I forgot to mention that I had a lot of gas last night at work

[weekend]

okay so i have run dnp 3 times now i believe

the first times the farts were soooo bad... now its not as bad. like they smelled terrible.

definitely build a tolerance.

anyone notice the similarity between the shortness of breath on DNP and tren? seems like they may share a mech of action..

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its fun to be on dnp and look like a gatorade commercial doing lateral raises or some easy shit lol

people have got to notice

[VayneZ]

I remember breathing similar while on tren. Andyeah man sometimes I'd keep holding the farts especially when there are tourists around, and man it can be painful.

That Gatorade commercial was me today training legs lol! I was dripping so much mad sweat! People were just starring in disbelief. I twisted my shorts and like a waterfall of sweat poured off!!

[weekend]

drink some broth lol

[VayneZ]

Day 5 - 300mg once again

This time it was crazy. I decided to take it all in one dose since I had a few things to do later on after the gym. Hit core, abs and stretching today. It was all good. AMAZING training. Afterwards came the problem. I had a few places to go and no matter what I did I COULD NOT STOP SWEATING. People were starring at me weird, it was just madness! I guess so far workout wise, sleeping wise, it's all good. The only bad thing so far about DNP, in my opinion and experience so far is the sweating WHEN you DON'T WANT to sweat and the constant bathroom breaks. Actually I don't mind the bathroom breaks that much as compared to the sweating part. I gotta get used to sweating in inappropriate times I guess :(

I'm debating whether or not to go 300 again tomorrow, since Friday night I want to sweat bit less if possible. So 300 Tomorrow and 150 Friday. Thoughts? Or just go both days 150mg? And then 300mg Saturday. Can't make a decision without the SS board's opinion! :)

[weekend]

150 tomorrow none friday if you wanna sweat less, back on 300 on saturday

[VayneZ]

150 tomorrow none friday if you wanna sweat less, back on 300 on saturday

Alright I'll do just that, thanks bruh. I'll still sweat big time during deadlifts Friday morning right?

[weekend]

Probably not buckets honestly. I think the half life isn't as long as they say it is. Can't be sure though.

[VayneZ]

Day 6

My Ipod is not working anymore!!! And the gym music is crap. I wonder if it's because of the sweat. Man this sucks!!!:mad:

[VayneZ]

Strength is still there during workouts, but today I noticed just how flat I look. So I guess my Glycogen stores are finally drained. And also I get so tired after just a few reps of bench pressing.

[weekend]

I'm on day 4, day 2 of 300..

Getting hot out here. Will never run dnp during summer again after knowing how much easier it is during winter though

Killed it in the gym today. 135 ohp x8, x10 x15 x8

Pretty bad diarrhea today just once

Gonna start lipomorph as soon as done with dnp (10 days?)

[Scope75]

Weekend have you ran lipomorph before?
If so what did you think about it?

[VayneZ]

I'm on day 4, day 2 of 300..

Getting hot out here. Will never run dnp during summer again after knowing how much easier it is during winter though

Killed it in the gym today. 135 ohp x8, x10 x15 x8

Pretty bad diarrhea today just once

Gonna start lipomorph as soon as done with dnp (10 days?)

bingo! Here in Aruba it's always hot and bro it's starting to get to me! Honestly I love the DNP feeling. And if I didn't have any other responsibilities in life or if I were preparing for a competition or photo shoot that would actually pay me or ''meant'' something I would run this longer without a problem.

Perhaps I'll just go for another week or so, it all depends. And.. uhh.. I did take 300 yesterday and 150 this morning. Since I'm not running it for long I wanna make sure I get the best out of it.

Day 7

Body looks flat
FINALLY really started CRAVING carbs
Lethargy kicked in BAD this morning!!! Had to take some Alpha T2, Thyrovex and Ephedrine (feeling good now).

I'll weigh in today at the gym see where I'm at.

Weekend you are going for only 10 days??? In Winter?? :eek:

[Scope75]

Are you not eating carbs right now or is the DNP just ripping threw your stores.

[weekend]

Long story short im trying to look as good as possible for my girl all the time and I won't be seeing her for another 10 days cause of finals. Don't want that dnp facial bloat otherwise I'd run longer. Maybe I'll drop to 150 a few days before though and finish it out

[Scope75]

Long story short im trying to look as good as possible for my girl all the time and I won't be seeing her for another 10 days cause of finals. Don't want that dnp facial bloat otherwise I'd run longer. Maybe I'll drop to 150 a few days before though and finish it out

Lol on looking as good as possible for your GF. I know the feeling and when I look like shit I feel bad for my GF.
She must be banging if you need to stay in shape just for her.

[VayneZ]

Are you not eating carbs right now or is the DNP just ripping threw your stores.

No Carbs for 2 weeks already. I guess both of them are wearing me out. Today I managed to pull 475 though, but man am I tired right now. About to head to work now... with a few gallons of water. I am DEAD tired.

speaking about facial bloat weekend... I think I'm started to see that also. I feel ya on looking good for your girl. Do let us know how lipomorph works

[VayneZ]

oh and btw, still at 180 pounds, same as when I began DNP a week ago

[Scope75]

No Carbs for 2 weeks already. I guess both of them are wearing me out. Today I managed to pull 475 though, but man am I tired right now. About to head to work now... with a few gallons of water. I am DEAD tired.

speaking about facial bloat weekend... I think I'm started to see that also. I feel ya on looking good for your girl. Do let us know how lipomorph works

Hit those carbs every 5-7 days 14 max because longer stretches without ends up down regulating some key hormones you need to keep shedding BF. You don't need to CN but a nice wack of carbs will do you some good.


oh and btw, still at 180 pounds, same as when I began DNP a week ago
But are you leaner or will you need a refeed to be able to tell since your flat?

[VayneZ]

What's a good schedule of carbs for a day? And what kingd of carbs?

I think I need to seize the bloat and I will be able to tell. today I was completely exhausted,,, But when I took my shirt up to clean my face in a bathroom at a hotel, and saw how my abs are starting to come out from beneath, eventhough its bloated.. I was like: ''man... this IS so worth it''

[BBG]

I can't imagine being on DNP without carbs. The lethargy... my god

[Scope75]

What's a good schedule of carbs for a day? And what kingd of carbs?

I think I need to seize the bloat and I will be able to tell. today I was completely exhausted,,, But when I took my shirt up to clean my face in a bathroom at a hotel, and saw how my abs are starting to come out from beneath, eventhough its bloated.. I was like: ''man... this IS so worth it''

You know me and I'd just BL your carbs at night and the amount should be based off the days activity level. You know your carbs limits so just go by the mirror and I only eat High GI carbs. I want that spike and quick clearance.

[VayneZ]

Would eating a few hands of almonds with big spoons of almond butter a good choice?

[VayneZ]

I can't imagine being on DNP without carbs. The lethargy... my god

So today, while I was working, the A/C got messed up. And we had so much work to do that I didn't get a chance to see how to fix it. Picture it BBG, remember it's always HOT where I live. I was sweating my seat was WET, I was leaking sweat all over... this environment was the worse experience ever.

[Scope75]

Would eating a few hands of almonds with big spoons of almond butter a good choice?

A good choice for what???

[VayneZ]

A good choice for what???

For CBL in the evening

[Scope75]

For CBL in the evening


Almonds and almond butter??? Really????

That's a fat source not a carb source.

I'm talking about white rice, potatoes, pancakes, cereal, and other HIGH GI carbs.

[VayneZ]

Almonds and almond butter??? Really????

That's a fat source not a carb source.

I'm talking about white rice, potatoes, pancakes, cereal, and other HIGH GI carbs.

Kinda crave all of those right now. Been craving Pizza real bad these days... I was thinking about starting small tomorrow. Eating one carb meal in the evening. Any suggestions? It's been awhile.

And also day 10 @ 1:22AM after work. See that bloating, girl! Crazzzzyyyy
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1325

I'm ending this soon, So I wanted to just do one crazy cheat meal tomorrow, and then stick at it in keto more until the end of the week

[weekend]

you can easily out eat DNP. do not do a huge cheat.

instead, try a day with maybe 4 servings of fruit and a bunch of rice. then back to the low carb.

maybe start incorporating fruit preworkout

if i were you i would keep it up for another week.

[VayneZ]

you can easily out eat DNP. do not do a huge cheat.

instead, try a day with maybe 4 servings of fruit and a bunch of rice. then back to the low carb.

maybe start incorporating fruit preworkout

if i were you i would keep it up for another week.

I'll try staying at 150mg, because 300 started becoming unbearable. But then again, I also started with Alpha-T2 and Thyrovex... so not sure if that could be the problem. So today I only took 150mg.

Yesterday even with 150mg I had to go to the bathroom like every 40 minutes!!!! And I HAD to go!!! It was too intense. Let's see how today will treat me without the other supps

[Scope75]

I honestly think you do a better job cutting natty than using dnp as a quick way to shread.
Or why not just run a cycle and pack on some more mass to lower your BF that way.

[weekend]

are you saying this because of how he looks in the pics?

haha, dnp makes you look like total ass while youre on unless you run it long enough to get to like 7% bf

[VayneZ]

I had to give both of you a ''like''! lol. Because sometimes I feel EXACTLY like you are saying Scope! I HATE the way I'm looking and feeling. Lethargy is kicking my ass hard. But I've read a lot on what Weekend's saying (didn't experience it yet, but read a lot of articles) which indicates that a few days after the run I will see the hard work come out. And I will run a cycle 2 weeks after this run. The plan is to get as lean as I can before this cycle.

Man I feel like &^@#*#^$( !!! :(

[Scope75]

Didn't mean to be so blunt but I've seen what you can do natty and by the looks of things your able to blow DNP out of the fucking water withiut using some harsh ass chemical(s).

[VayneZ]

Didn't mean to be so blunt but I've seen what you can do natty and by the looks of things your able to blow DNP out of the fucking water withiut using some harsh ass chemical(s).

Thanks for that remark. Because to be honest, I'm not sure I'll run DNP ever again. Maybe, but I doubt it. It has it's pros which are hands down AWESOME!!! But to really bare through the cons... I need to be on a 3 week vacation, with nothing else to focus on but working out and getting hot lol.

I'll try and go for one more week, as per weekend's advise. Will try 300mg again tomorrow before leg day. I just don't want to get that feeling afterwards when looking back: ''yeah I ran DNP... but, I COULD HAVE RAN it better!! Imagine if I did what would have happened!!!!''. I want to not just ''imagine''. I wanna see it for myself.

If that makes any sense

[weekend]

it makes sense to me.

it is actually psychologically very difficult to accept that the muscle and definition will come back each time i run it. you feel great the first few days, then you start shrinking and feeling lethargic, then definition goes to shit. you look in the mirror and think youve lost everything.

you forget about it when you come off, feel better within 2 days but it can take a week and you won't think it's gonna happen but you'll look in the mirror and be like shit i guess i didn't lose any muscle at all!

that's what happens to me at least.

i would hit it hard for as many days at 300 as you can. you're already in this deep. use ECA and drink way more cold water, start eating a lot of fruit if the lethargy is too much.

[weekend]

funny how good you can feel when the dnp really first starts kicking, too.

it really takes a full week for me to see the final result.

[Scope75]

Well just play it smart and I'll be looking for the week after pics

[VayneZ]

You guys seriously inspire me!! Took 300 today with 16mg of Ephedrine and some caffeine. Leg day time!!! Gone kill it!

I'll see if I can do another 300 tomorrow, if not, then until Saturday.. it all depends on what I have to do ''after'' the gym. If I take 300.... I am wet until I go to sleep in the evening! And I will smell HORRIBLE.

Funny thing is, Weekend, I training with a slinger yesterday, and I was amazed at how jacked I looked while working out. But I KNOW I looked wayyyy better before I got on the DNP... So I am really really REALLY looking forward to the way I'll be looking in about 2 weeks.

Scope, I'll make sure to post pics! Thanks for your honest remarks always and for you point of view bro. You inspire me brotha!!!

Now it's time for WAARRR :mad:

[Scope75]

Kill it man and we all know what your capable of natty or not you make shit work.

[VayneZ]

One of my last sets on sweeps (vertical leg press on the smith machine, lying down on a mat pushing straight up).
6 plates on each side. 7 reps, the other guy drops a plate on each side.
immediately!!! 5 plates, 7 reps. 4 plates, 7 reps, 3 plates, 7 reps, count till 3, 7 reps AGAIN at 3 plates. And then count till 3 and 10 super slow reps, and 10 super fast reps.

I killed it today on 300mg bro! Was squatting 315, holding it down, and then coming up fast, dropping slow. Reps after reps. I was on a different planet. My legs though as big and as great as they would look to mane who stare at me at the gym had 0 definition.... so that kinda sucked. I sweated like a pig man!

I think Tomorrow I'll just hit 300mg again.

Weekend, would it be wise to try 450 in one single dose tomorrow before cardio and core training? (I'm a bit suicidal I guess)

[VayneZ]

Today I was just dying to breathe the whole day. At the gym, I got there soaked and wet and breathing as if I just finished deadlifting. I left the gym even worse! Today, MAN did I sweat!!! Another 300mg of DNP, 24mg of ephedrine and Alpha T-2 and some caffeine.

I actually gained TWO whole pounds! I'm at 182 right now. What the hell?! But, I'm seeing the abs coming underneath all that water.

I'm gonna stick to this for another week as of today. Because I'm finally beginning to see changes.

[VayneZ]

Day 15. Everyone's been telling me I have absolutely no waist.

Did the Thyrovex/Alpha-T2/DNP combo again today on 150mg DNP.
Tuesday - Friday I ran it at 300mg... Boy was that intense.

Tomorrow 150mg. And then maybe 3 more days 300mg and finish two more days 150mg and then finally DONE.

This my friends, was and is an adventure

[BBG]

Can't wait to see the final transformation man!

[VayneZ]

Can't wait to see the final transformation man!

I'm counting the days for my last dose. I have a feeling that I'm gonna miss this though. Oh well at least I won't be worried about smelling bad all the time.

After how many days did you personally see all the water come off BBG?

[BBG]

I'm counting the days for my last dose. I have a feeling that I'm gonna miss this though. Oh well at least I won't be worried about smelling bad all the time.

After how many days did you personally see all the water come off BBG?

Keep drinking as much water as you are now (or anything over a gallon, really). Took maybe 5 days in total. Takes a little time for the DNP to leave your system.

[VayneZ]

Tnx BBG.

Any further advises from Keto specialists, especially like the guy that knows it all, Mr. Weekend, when it comes to gradually starting back on carbs? How long after my last dose should I start eating carbs again, and how much? If I'm about 178 now, bloated.

This is the time where I choose to bypass all the knowledge ''I think I have'' and humbly ask the SS crew to give the pointers. I'm on day 18 right now (well, it technically starts in the morning in the morning. Sunday and Monday was 300mg, Tomorrow will be 300 mg. Wednesday, still not sure yet.

Advises?

btw, I lost 2 pounds. :eek:

[weekend]

if you want to maximize your fat loss, i would stay keto until bloat is gone, and then move to 100 g of carbs a day for a week (with a concurrent drop in fat intake). after that, your metabolism should be doing better, and you should be able to gauge how many carbs to eat.

you'll probably drop at least 10 lbs. great job staying on so long! i know its difficult... gonna do 20 days or what?

[VayneZ]

if you want to maximize your fat loss, i would stay keto until bloat is gone, and then move to 100 g of carbs a day for a week (with a concurrent drop in fat intake). after that, your metabolism should be doing better, and you should be able to gauge how many carbs to eat.

you'll probably drop at least 10 lbs. great job staying on so long! i know its difficult... gonna do 20 days or what?

Thanks Weekend, I'll do just as you said.

Today is day 18 !!!! And guess what? Sunday I took 300mg, Yesterday I took 300mg again. And today I took..... 450mg :eek::eek::eek:
I just had to do it, before it all ends you know. And not only that, but I took a dose of Axon, Alpha T2, Thyrovex, 28mg of Ephedrine AND SuperPump 3.0 all before... LEG DAY :eek:

I managed to nail 315 for 2x reps, below parallel. But man I was in a whole other dimension after that. It was a very killer day, and very very difficult to breathe.

Back home now, took a 10 minute cold shower and I'm about to eat. Then I'll take another cold shower and head off to work. I feel better now, but still the breathing is heavy.

Tomorrow I'll either take 300mg or 150mg. And Thursday is 150mg for sure. And I might take a last dose on Friday (150mg) and that would be 21 days exactly.
Advise? 20 or 21 days???

I'll stay another week or 2 keto. My mindpower can handle it :mad: This is all out war!!!

[Scope75]

Way to Kill it....

Shit sounds extreme.

[VayneZ]

Scope, it is bro... it is!!!!

I would not recommend anybody trying it lol

[weekend]

do 21 days for the full 3 weeks. and hit 450 mg all the way. i was going to do like another week on my first cycle of it but after 3 days on 450 i said fuck this!!!

if you have time to be a sweaty mess its worth the experience to finish strong lol

but damn dude watch it on the stims... better drink a ton of water!

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stay on the thyroid booster and eca after the cycle for a bit too, drop one thing at a time to keep rebound fat gain away

[VayneZ]

do 21 days for the full 3 weeks. and hit 450 mg all the way. i was going to do like another week on my first cycle of it but after 3 days on 450 i said fuck this!!!

if you have time to be a sweaty mess its worth the experience to finish strong lol

but damn dude watch it on the stims... better drink a ton of water!

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stay on the thyroid booster and eca after the cycle for a bit too, drop one thing at a time to keep rebound fat gain away

Ok, so after what have been this craziest wet day ever... as if I was about to literally die, And walking all weird on top of that because of brutal leg training and feeling lethargy to the very max, You're telling me to finish 450?!??!?!!

Are you insane bro?!?!

Just took 450mg again :)

I have a wedding to attend to Tomorrow!! Dammit Weekend, you always push these crazy ideas in my head...

If the half life is indeed 36 hours, technically I'm on 900mg of DNP now?

So Today I'll somehow get through on 450mg. Tomorrow I will HAVE to drop it all the way to 150, and HOPEFULLY the half life would be tolerable in my suit (this is gonna be a very very bad idea, I just know it).

And then Friday I'll finish with a strong 300. And then I'm DONE!

thoughts?
If it wasn't for the wedding I might have attempt 450/450/450/300 (Tuesday - Friday). But bro you should have seen me sweat last night... It was not funny. Today I'll do some cardio, core work and stretching at the gym. I'll take my ECY combo now... this is gonna be hardcore

I'm sure I'll thank you in a week Weekend :)

[weekend]

There was an if in my post! Haha just drop the dnp for tomorrow! I woulda told you to do 150 today or something. That's probably a lot of your friends that don't need to see you being a sweaty mess and getting concerned!

[VayneZ]

if you have time to be a sweaty mess its worth the experience to finish strong lol

I just realized the ''if''....

Today, Day 19, was madness. It was TOO much. And I believe it was a mistake to go with 450 two days in a row, especially reaching the end of this and on keto. I probably should not have taken Yohimbe Power Max 2000 with the Ephedrine neither.

I got to the gym SOAKED. I was already messed up entering the gym. I did really really low intensity cardio for 20 minutes, and that almost killed me. But I was so determined mentally to go hit core hard... that I just went for it. On top of it all this girl shows up and wants to train with me. So I was ''trying'' to be an example.

When I got home I hit the floor for a few minutes. I could not breathe, could not focus at all. And no matter how much I tried to breathe normally and stay down, it wasn't helping. So I got up (head was spinning out of control), filled 3 big cups with ice and water and went into the shower, cold shower and drank drank drank.

Now I'm sitting down with my A/C on low temp and a fan, and writing this. Thank God I'm feeling better now. I have NO IDEA how you (weekend) could handle 3 days in a row on 450. Maybe it's because where I live it's really hot and also because of all the stimulants... I dunno. But man.... I think this is it. Not sure if this is kinda what people that overdose on DNP feel before they cook themselves up and die, but it sure as hell felt like dying for a while.

I might just stop here on day 19, 2 days short of completing 3 weeks on DNP. Right now I don't even want to think about 150mg the last two days.

Was today worth it? I dunno. Probably to make me understand firsthand how dangerous DNP could be and when I run this in the future to NOT DO THIS MUCH AGAIN!!!!!

On the positive note, I did take a few pics today. I will post these with some of me when the water clears up.

Oh and Weekend should I stop Creatine today? What else should I know while recovering from this?

[VayneZ]

Great news!! I survived work last night (extremely wet) and the wedding this morning (almost no sweat... Only after the wedding did the sweating start which was GREAT!!!!).

I'm on ECA, Alpha T2 and thyrovex right now, will hit the gym in a bit. Still breathing heavy but wayyy more tolerable than yesterday. Feeling good and glad that the worst is behind me now :)

If one of you guys with knowledge can get back to me on these 2 questions asap would be much appreciated:

1. Use Creatine for the last day today?
2. Is it okay if I eat about 500 grams worth of pineapple post workout, since technically the DNP should still be in my system until 10 PM tonight? (I'll go keto after the pineapple until my metabolic rate feels back to normal). [asking this just so I don't stay TOO long without carbs during this rebound phase]

[weekend]

What is thyrovex anyway?

When I ran 450 I used no stimulants at all. All I did was sit in bed in front of my fan and practice singing. I became a little delusional too and then realized I was literally wasting days lol

So all the shit you're on could be more why you felt like you're dying. I'm pretty sure what we felt like is way different cause of the stims; I felt like I was turning into a slug. Getting out of bed was extremely difficult. I didn't lift for the last entire week of that dnp cycle. Going up stairs felt like climbing Everest...


You went hard. Call it good

And stay on the creatine

I think you may have not realized when to stop exerting yourself. It's not like you could build muscle on anything more than 150 anyway lol

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No carbs at all! You've made it this far and your body will replenish glycogen through gluconeogenesis, up your protein.

[VayneZ]

Thyrovex - Stand Alone Thyroid Support Supplement
(http://vpxsports.com/health-and-support-supplements/thyrovex)
Thought it might help my Thyroid a bit, not sure if it will do anything significant in this case though.

And bro, makes complete sense what you said. I believe the stims made me mentally indestructible. And I lost sight of my limitations and Lethargy due the 450mg. Yesterday was no joke. It was beyond anything hardcore ever, and I don't think most people could have survived what I went through. Too intense... way too intense. And I can handle a LOT of pain, but this was beyond.

Thanks for letting me know about the carbs. Wait about how many days before starting low carbs again?

And also how long should I stay on Creatine? And what is the main reason for staying on, if it will make my body retain water? (I have monohydrate on me)

Is Agmatine also a good add on during this phase?

[weekend]

Sure add agmatine, creatine makes you hold water intramuscularly. I have not noticed any extra cellular bloat from creatine before lol

Carbs start at 100g when you do not feel bloated anymore. Increase your water intake even more and it should be about 5 days.

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I would stay on creatine until your glycogen is replenished which should be about 10 days from now assuming you're done

[VayneZ]

Sure add agmatine, creatine makes you hold water intramuscularly. I have not noticed any extra cellular bloat from creatine before lol

Carbs start at 100g when you do not feel bloated anymore. Increase your water intake even more and it should be about 5 days.

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I would stay on creatine until your glycogen is replenished which should be about 10 days from now assuming you're done

Weekend,

Thanks for the guidance through all of this bro. It means a lot man. I'll do just so :)

[weekend]

No problem man. I'm not an expert this is just what I have gathered through my use

Very excited to see the result. Take a pic of now and when the bloat leaves!

[VayneZ]

As I am drinking as much water as I can this week, I have also started on Adrafinil (Neuro Force) recommended by my good friend Wes :D

Just starting with 1 capsule a day to see how this will help with my mood/depression.

I am also peeing like crazy, and I since last night my skin has been peeling heavily. This maybe because of the keto? or DNP rebound effect?

[weekend]

Literally peeling? That is Almost certainly from the excess sweat and subsequent loss of oil. Slash higher temperatures.

[tallstraw]

Lol I like how you actually wrote slash instead of putting a slash mark lol

[weekend]

lol i say it in conversation too

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lol i like how you sandwiched your sentence with lol

too bad i say lol in person too lol

[tallstraw]

I use lol too liberally, but normally it's cuz when I start saying something I'm chuckling, then by the time I'm done writing I forget that I started it with it..or I start chuckling again

[VayneZ]

Yeah, still peeling a lot today. And it's crazy how many times I gotta rush to pee anywhere I can. The Thyrovex and Alpha-T2 has me sweating in a completely different way, and is NOTHING close to DNP, but I'm still sweating beyond normal, which is good I think.

I'm also feeling way ''clearer'' mentally (don't know how to really put it into words), but I think it's the Adrafinil. Awesome stuff! Could be placebo, but I was certainly in a very very good, confident and focused mood today.

Still bloated... but seeing minor changes

[weekend]

i didn't like adrafinil, modafinil and armodafinil are better... but still meh

but you feel better from coming off dnp, thats it. prepare for an energy boost

[weekend]

You remember to take last day pics to compare to the future water balanced version?

[VayneZ]

Yeah took 4 pics on the last day. I looked like %*&@*@*%$ SO I'm gonna wait till the water clears up completely before I post them lol

[weekend]

Bro where the results at? You alive!?

[VayneZ]

Last day of DNP
1327

1328

6 days after DNP
1329

1330

[VayneZ]

Before DNP

1331

1332

During DNP - Day 10
1333

1334

[Scope75]

So how much was lost during your run now that your a week off and looking better?
Did you do any BF measurments?
All in all do you think your run was worth it?

[VayneZ]

Low quality camera. But so far I still feel bloated... Still hoping that I would look better than this... if not, DNP, in my opinion, is not worth all the cons. I followed everything strict by the rule diet wise, but still I am not even CLOSE to what I accomplished natty back in May:

May 20th 2014:
1335

1336

but... still waiting to see if this bloating will come off or not

[VayneZ]

Scope your fast lol!

I still gotta get my bodyfat measured this week to see. Everything I wear feels big around the waist.
And if I don't see more changes than what I see right now... I honestly think it was not worth it. But maybe more will come out soon

[Scope75]

Just happened to scroll threw right after you posted. Lol

Doing nothing but eating and reading so I'm not stocking you. Or am I???:cool:

Maybe eat some grub that you know makes you drop water. I know some fiber will help pull water from your body so your shits won't be rock hard.

Yeah I remember how you looked after your natty cut and that's why I was shocked at how DNP had you looking but I was unaware of the bloated and flat sides it comes with.

I do see some progress but like you said if it doesn't get better than that it's just not worth the cons and RISK.

Do you know if weekend has ever posted DNP before and afters?
Would like to see his results.

[weekend]

No I havent. I have run 83 pills this year now, though. I don't think its really worth it either now.

I have had impressive results but only when I can stifle the monster cravings. I have really lame discipline.

It works magic if you eat like a bird. And LSD is a fantastic diuretic. I did a week cycle at 300 once and took adderall a ton that week, dropped some acid and looked like a physique competitor. Until I ate a meal and then looked lame again lol

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I guess I was on aas too. Dnp definitely works much better on steroids. Night and day.

I think it's best use is on a strong cutting cycle dosed eod or something

[weekend]

I also believe only fat gives a significant bloat, so to get truly lean you must run the dnp until you feel lean. Which will eventually happen. But it probably isn't worth being so lethargic. Even a TRT dose of test keeps me significantly leaner...

Brings me back to infamy's post..

"AAS... What's the point?"

[VayneZ]

So since this is 10 days after... I should probably start carbing up a bit with pure fibers right? What else can I use as diuretics??

And good point guys. I believe DNP was a fun and good experience, and I might do it again, not sure when though, but if I do it again it would be completely different.

Right now I'm so happy I'm through it, and that soon my PH cycle will begin :rolleyes:
... now if I can only drop that water before the cycle starts...................................

[weekend]

You're carbed up as long as you added the 100g carbs like I said earlier

The extreme depletion results in hyper absorption so meh.

Eat a lot of green veggies and lower your sodium. My bet is this is as good as it gets and you may have needed to cut calories more to get a more dramatic result.

Get on the cycle asap. Like today if possible.

[Scope75]

Well fuck DNP then.
I'd never run it anyways but all the sides/cons/risks just don't add up to the results.
One slip up at the lab while capping and you'd be dead by cooking yourself.

[weekend]

^i strongly disagree about the dying part lol but yeah once you get your hormones fixed shit is gonna be melting offf........ no fat burners necessary

i stand by AAS as the best fat burner. stimulants and dnp pale in comparison to ANY AAS. even a trt dose of test, or androbulk. lol. of course tren and anavar are the shining stars. jesus 100 mg anavar a day fucking transformed my friend in 10 days during contest prep. wow.

but i digress.

vaynez, you ever get bloodwork done?

[VayneZ]

^i strongly disagree about the dying part lol but yeah once you get your hormones fixed shit is gonna be melting offf........ no fat burners necessary

i stand by AAS as the best fat burner. stimulants and dnp pale in comparison to ANY AAS. even a trt dose of test, or androbulk. lol. of course tren and anavar are the shining stars. jesus 100 mg anavar a day fucking transformed my friend in 10 days during contest prep. wow.

but i digress.

vaynez, you ever get bloodwork done?

Can't get it done here. Was planning on getting it done in April when I will be in Miami for a few days..

And DNP, is good, don't get me wrong. I think I just increased my calories too much, they should have def be lower.

Next time I will run this will probably be after the cycle. We'll see. But everything is gonna be different. Everything,

[weekend]

Run it at the end of the cycle vs beginning of pct

Keep stim use minimal, maybe use them post dnp instead. But yeah. You gonna do carbs next time?

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And you should start the cycle asap to take advantage of your leaner condition

Or do you want to cut more?

[VayneZ]

Today was day 1 of the cycle. Honestly with the holidays I've been so busy... not celebrating, but rather WORKING. Good money through the days. And I also gradually added carbs.

I will be updating this. The cycle is 8 weeks. 75mg Mechabol, 1 cap of DMZ 3.0, 3 caps of AndroHard and 3 caps of Androbulk (all v3) and AEGIS @ 4 caps a day.
Could not obtain hCG so, will be doing this without.

And as for the DNP, if I run it again I will def do it with carbs, but low. And I will also MAKE SURE I'M AS LEAN AS I CAN BE ALREADY and THEN!!! run it :)

Today's shoulder and back workout was priceless. The focus, the strength, the adrenaline.... beautiful. Tomorrow's leg day. Looking really forward to the insanity :rolleyes:

[VayneZ]

Day 2

Def feeling STRONG and confident! Funny thing is I slept so deep... the most amazing dream, vivid, so real, so long and then I wake up and I'm holding my balls so that I don't release a wet dream. Got up and ran to the toilet! But I held it in. This hasn't happened to me in at least 3 years ago.

I dominated and abused my poor legs today. Going ass to grass with 225's in squat, staying down there kinda almost sitting down and then back up for about 8 reps, which was just BRUTAL.

Did a drop set of straight vertical presses sweeps at the smith machine (not sure how much the bar weighs there, but bar + 7 plates on each side. 14 x 45 = bar + 630 pounds. Did 4 reps.
dropped to 6 plates for 8 reps
dropped to 5 plates for 10 reps
dropped to 4 plates for 10 reps
dropped to 3 plates for 15 reps
dropped to 2 for 20 reps
After this I had to perform a drama on the mat on the floor, rolling around in the deepest agony. It took me 3 minutes before I could slowly crawl a bit a learn how to walk again. My legs are already mad sore.... Tomorrow I will not walk

[weekend]

Did you have someone stripping plates for you?

[Scope75]

Man you must of had an impressive stock of androseries products.
Get after it.

[VayneZ]

Did you have someone stripping plates for you?

Yes sir.


Man you must of had an impressive stock of androseries products.
Get after it.

These are my last 2 bottles :(

[VayneZ]

So perhaps I am over exaggerating about this cycle... mind you this is my cheap old camera but, notice the difference in 3 days:

Day 1 around 1am
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1344

Day 4 around 1 am also
1345

1346

Is it just me? or is this stuff working really fast???????

[weekend]

Go lift some shit son! I think you need to hit arms and traps more. Dips and Chins rinse and repeat. Try 100 of each a day for a week separate from your workout.

[VayneZ]

I knew my arms were lacking but wow! Talk about constructive criticism!!!!!! I'll be doing that bro ;)

[VayneZ]

Go lift some shit son! I think you need to hit arms and traps more. Dips and Chins rinse and repeat. Try 100 of each a day for a week separate from your workout.

This morning, different angle - Just woke up, no pumps, no meals nothing:

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The point of the pics were simple: To show The difference in 3 days ON the CYCLE
Nothing less, nothing more :)

[weekend]

My comment was cause I can't tell a difference

Just bein blunt as usual

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Lookin better in the new pic tho

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Still try what I said

[VayneZ]

My comment was cause I can't tell a difference

Just bein blunt as usual

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Lookin better in the new pic tho

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Still try what I said

Neh for sure man! I need friends like you around bud, or else I would have no idea what to work on and will stay stuck at a plateau. Stay blunt bro :)
If it's something I want to accomplish this year is add size to my arms !!! That's the goal of 2015

[WesleyInman]

Awesome man..im following. That stuff hits me quick and I feel a pump and vascularity in no time.

This is fantastic news..ur doing this. Keep up the hard work. Ill be checking in a few times per week with you!!!

Def can't wait to see 30 day pics.

[VayneZ]

Awesome man..im following. That stuff hits me quick and I feel a pump and vascularity in no time.

This is fantastic news..ur doing this. Keep up the hard work. Ill be checking in a few times per week with you!!!

Def can't wait to see 30 day pics.

Nice to have you aboard Wes!!! And thanks for hooking it all up!

[SoCal-Nutrition]

subd

[VayneZ]

2 weeks into the cycle (sick like a dawg man... last week I could not even work, and had to skip the gym one day... I never ever skip the gym no matter how sick I am, but this time I was SICK!!!)

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[weekend]

what does your training look like? how many hours per week are you lifting?

[VayneZ]

what does your training look like? how many hours per week are you lifting?

Mon through Fri. ABout an hour and a half.
Mon - Shoulders and back (+ 1 exercise of biceps and triceps)
Tue - Legs
Wed - Cardio / core /stretching
Thu - Chest and arms
Fri - Posterior Chains

I do Calves all of those days except Wednesday. Been doing lighter weight this last week since I could NOT focus at all because of the flu. But I vary between heavy days, superset days and pure TUT focus days.

Carbs are really high intra and post workout

[weekend]

i approve of this

[VayneZ]

For those who have been following this far:
I honestly thought that I could take this cycle on mental wise, but just as last year, it's been making me way too depressive. Same exact feeling as last time so I know this is from the hormones. And I tried to ignore it, mind over matter, as I do any other inconveniences in life but I've been realizing how bad it affects my personal life and attitude toward others but also toward myself when isolated.

Don't get me wrong, I feel like a KING when I'm in the gym. But for some reason I can't seem to handle hormones anymore. It doesn't feel great like the old days and I will be stopping this cycle and just run a basic PCT (DAA, Toco-8, EndoAmp, E-ControlRx), using res100 and Epic Gainz for 8 weeks also to see what that would do. I guess I'll stay away from hormones for awhile or pretty much for good.

Since I'm starting fresh and Scope requested I log a thread for Epic Gainz, I think it's a good idea to end and close this ''journey'', and start a new one. So I will open a new thread based on my Epic Gainz and res100 journey for now.

Any thoughts, comments, please feel free to post them here. As Always you guys provide the greatest input and advises :)

[Spank]

I'm really happy for you. It is really important to remember that we do things because they make our lives better in some way. It's all about balance. If the negatives outweigh the positives than sometimes you have to ask yourself hard questions and face realities. Such is life, and as long as you keep that awareness you will find what you are looking for. Best of luck to you. I struggle with things at times when I have major life changes too. I find it best to stay as busy as possible when my mind seems to be working against me.

[VayneZ]

I'm really happy for you. It is really important to remember that we do things because they make our lives better in some way. It's all about balance. If the negatives outweigh the positives than sometimes you have to ask yourself hard questions and face realities. Such is life, and as long as you keep that awareness you will find what you are looking for. Best of luck to you. I struggle with things at times when I have major life changes too. I find it best to stay as busy as possible when my mind seems to be working against me.

Thanks Spank, really appreciate your words. I feel so much better and enthusiast in running this new stack. Will start the new thread shortly

[BBG]

Hey Vayne, are you using a test base? I'm looking at what you're using and could see why it might cause some problems. Androhard is awesome but I'm not sure if it's enough to keep you going like if you were on test or trest.


The cycle is 8 weeks. 75mg Mechabol, 1 cap of DMZ 3.0, 3 caps of AndroHard and 3 caps of Androbulk (all v3) and AEGIS @ 4 caps a day.

In for the PCT/Epic Gainz thread. Can't wait to see how the Epic Gainz treats you

[tallstraw]

Go full andro hard dose, atleast.

[tallstraw]

^i strongly disagree about the dying part lol but yeah once you get your hormones fixed shit is gonna be melting offf........ no fat burners necessary

i stand by AAS as the best fat burner. stimulants and dnp pale in comparison to ANY AAS. even a trt dose of test, or androbulk. lol. of course tren and anavar are the shining stars. jesus 100 mg anavar a day fucking transformed my friend in 10 days during contest prep. wow.

but i digress.

vaynez, you ever get bloodwork done?


"100" mg..I wonder how much is really in it? I've never seen someone actually run legit anavar. I heard it works wonders..but when I hear claims like 100mg it just sounds suspect..I've seen logs of guys running ACTUAL Pharmacy Var..and at 60mg their pumps were like tearing them apart and making them stop logs, and workouts. No way I'd believe it was 100mg's..but it blows my mind because let's say it's 50% purity..50mg of car transformed his physique in 10 days which is fucking insane. Not to mention the price of legit pharmacy var.

I wonder if like dbol and winny is similar or how tbol compares.

[weekend]

I think it's 100% legit man. Lol.

[KAB111]

[QUOTE=tallstraw;43622]"100" mg..I wonder how much is really in it? I've never seen someone actually run legit anavar. I heard it works wonders..but when I hear claims like 100mg it just sounds suspect..I've seen logs of guys running ACTUAL Pharmacy Var..and at 60mg their pumps were like tearing them apart and making them stop logs, and workouts. No way I'd believe it was 100mg's..but it blows my mind because let's say it's 50% purity..50mg of car transformed his physique in 10 days which is fucking insane. Not to mention the price of legit pharmacy var.

I wonder if like dbol and winny is similar or how tbol compares.[/QUOT

I ran legit var troches from us compounding pharm. 50 split during the day gave me a fuckin body boner from hell. Pumps were insane and it heated me up shortly after consuming. Dropped fat and felt awesome. I like Tbol better only because you get increased size as well as all of the other effects of var.

[VayneZ]

Hey Vayne, are you using a test base? I'm looking at what you're using and could see why it might cause some problems. Androhard is awesome but I'm not sure if it's enough to keep you going like if you were on test or trest.



In for the PCT/Epic Gainz thread. Can't wait to see how the Epic Gainz treats you

Weekend was telling me the same thing. I'll save what I now have for next year, and might plan something better. And Thanks, I'm psyched about the run.


Go full andro hard dose, atleast.

Bro, as much as that part of me wants to.... I just want to be ''free'' for awhile. Mentally, hormone wise... so I can ''breathe'' (if this makes any sense).

[tallstraw]

No, I meant androhard for your androbulk hormone cocktail. You NEED the androhard for that..I promise you it will be sorely missed if you choose to forego it.

[tallstraw]

[QUOTE=tallstraw;43622]"100" mg..I wonder how much is really in it? I've never seen someone actually run legit anavar. I heard it works wonders..but when I hear claims like 100mg it just sounds suspect..I've seen logs of guys running ACTUAL Pharmacy Var..and at 60mg their pumps were like tearing them apart and making them stop logs, and workouts. No way I'd believe it was 100mg's..but it blows my mind because let's say it's 50% purity..50mg of car transformed his physique in 10 days which is fucking insane. Not to mention the price of legit pharmacy var.

I wonder if like dbol and winny is similar or how tbol compares.[/QUOT


I ran legit var troches from us compounding pharm. 50 split during the day gave me a fuckin body boner from hell. Pumps were insane and it heated me up shortly after consuming. Dropped fat and felt awesome. I like Tbol better only because you get increased size as well as all of the other effects of var.


As in 100 a day, or 50mg split into 2 doses? If the second, that's what I'm saying..I could never see people running these doses they think they're running..which is a testament to the amount of shit and filler we put into our bodies lol..because when you see people who hve run the real pharma grade shit..the stories you hear on doses of <half what most people run On ugl's; when it's pharma...


I'm also baked as fuck and have erased and rewritten that like 5x because it just doesn't write or convey what I'm trying to say..so if it just sounds dumb..I'll tewrite it in the morning xD

[KAB111]

25mg in the morn and 25mg evening. 100 would have made me pop out of my skin

[tallstraw]

Okay yeah, that's what I thought.

[WesleyInman]

Vaynez I am proud of you man. And support whatever decision you make now.

Hope you still keep this log going, even if an all natural log.

Very happy that you are thinking this through. Makes me very happy. :)

[VayneZ]

Vaynez I am proud of you man. And support whatever decision you make now.

Hope you still keep this log going, even if an all natural log.

Very happy that you are thinking this through. Makes me very happy. :)

You're the man Wes. And I shall, I shall! Thank's for always being an inspiration :)