D-zine/Mecha or Phera/Mecha Bridge

[campcoll88]

Started running 10mg daily superdrol beginning week 4 of my last mecha cycle (75mg 6 weeks) and I blew up quickly in a week and got strong as fuarrrk, but even with 3 caps Androbulk and a test/dht base my joints killed and I got crazy LAZY lethargy so I dropped the drol after 8 days and finished the cycle (sides disappeared as soon as I dropped superdrol). Still gained 10 solid pounds with noticable recomp and just finished PCT!

Next planned cycle is an eight week bridge. Going for BULK and want to avoid sore joints. It WAS going to look something like this but I'm worried about DMZ and dry joints.

Phantom Labs Phorce (DMZ 15mg/LMG 30mg) - 3/3/2/1/0/0/0/0
Mechabol.......................................... .........- 0/0/25/75/100/100/100/100


I could splurge and find some Purus Labs Nasty Mass (Phera 10mg/LMG 25mg) and make it look like this -

Nasty Mass - 3/3/2/1/0/0/0/0
Mechabol...- 0/0/25/75/100/100/100/100

Phera gains seem to be wet and some people even report improved joint function when stacking with drier compounds such as epi.

So it will look something like this save the unknown-

Phera/LMG or DMZ/LMG - 3/3/2/1/0/0/0/0..................Bulking
Antaeus Mechabol..........-0/0/25/75/100/100/100/100 Bulking/Recomp
AMS Decavol.................- 1/1/2/2/1/1/1/1.................Joint lubrication
Formastanzol (Pumps)....- 0/9/9/9/9/9/9/9 ................Estrogen/Prolactin Control
Androgentx Delta 2........- 0/2/4/4/4/4/4/4.................Pre/Post-Workout; Shits and giggles(Should I save?)
AMS 4-AD.....................- 0/0/2/2/4/4/4/4.................Test Base
AMS 5 Alpha Test...........- 0/0/1/1/2/2/2/2.................DHT Base
Immense Lab 13-Ethyl....- 0/0/0/25/75/75/75/75.........Joints/Bulk
Primordial Androenhance - 0/0/0/0/2/2/2/2.................Cortisol (leftover from previous cycle)
Antaeus Trenazone (ml)..- 0/0/1/8(ml)/3/8(ml)wk4-8....Fat Bulk Damage Control (also leftover)
Caber every 3rd day

Deca and 13-Ethyl(LMG) throughout for joints, 4-ad and 5-alpha test base when shutdown begins, Enhance and tren to help lean up during last 4 weeks. Formastanzol for sides starting week 2 as I have about 48 doses left. I bought delta-2 a while back but still havent been able to figure it into a cycle but I thought I'd try on this one.
Support supps, PCT clomid/torem erase all lined out.

So whadya think? Should I split dose and run Enhance and trenazone at a steadier low dose? Is the Delta-2 or anything else for that matter excessive and should be saved for a rainy day?

Most importantly, Phera or D-Zine?

[SoCal-Nutrition]

stick with the DMZ...give me your phera!!!!

[SoCal-Nutrition]

IMO, phera is just amazing...great bulker that leaves you feeling great!

if it were me, I'd simplify this a bit. this seems like way too much going on...seems like you'd be jerking too many things all over the place and you may not get the results you're looking for because this is like a major endocrine experiment.

I'm also unaware of any prolactin control from Form. I believe form limits conversion to dht...you may not want this effect.

[campcoll88]

Haha phera looks like a blast for a bulk.

The prolactin control is touted by needtobuild, but I could drop and run caber if sides arise. I would still like to run the bridge as this will be my last methyl cycle and I wanna make it worthwile, so a simplified version would look like this -

Phera/LMG or DMZ/LMG - 3/3/2/1/0/0/0/0..................Bulking
Antaeus Mechabol..........-0/0/25/75/100/100/100/100 Bulking/Recomp
AMS 4-AD.....................- 0/0/2/2/4/4/4/4.................Test Base
AMS 5 Alpha Test...........- 0/0/1/1/2/2/2/2.................DHT Base
Immense Lab 13-Ethyl....- 0/0/0/25/75/75/75/75.........Joints/Bulk

And in the spring I could recomp with this

Androgentx Delta 2........- 4/4/4/4/4/4.
AMS Decavol.................- 0/0/2/2/2/2
Primordial Androenhance - 0/0/2/2/2/2
Antaeus Trenazone (ml)..- 0/0/1/2(ml) wk.3-6
Formastanzol (Pumps)....- 10/10/10/10/10/10

[DJM]

excessive imo....i couldnt even remember to take all that......more doesnt = better/more gains.......more likely sides and not knowing how to deal with them outside of guessing

[campcoll88]

excessive imo....i couldnt even remember to take all that......more doesnt = better/more gains.......more likely sides and not knowing how to deal with them outside of guessing

True LMG, Mech, and DMZ/Phera are fully dosed, but most of the other comfpounds would have ran at much smaller doses than most run at for gains. I figured they could help, the only thing I haven't ran is Phera/13-ethyl and Delta-2 (still not sure Delta-2 will be effective, they claim its a PH:confused:), so I am familiar with all the other compounds and what I should expect; but it sounds like running them would be more trouble than theyre worth.
I know its a weird lookin cycle but you guys come up with some crazy ideas so I wanted to hear what the swolesource thinks.

[burlyman30]

One word:









Simplify.

[USN HM 350Z]

I would just run Mech and 4-AD for 8 weeks. I would bring that Mech dose up though. I loved it at 150mg. Throw in some aegis and eat big/lift big.

I like simple though.

[Sorrow]

Seems like the whole kitchen sink. What's the goal out of all that? More mass, lean mass? Just curious really, don't have experience with 90% of what's on your list so I couldn't really tell you anything about them. But what are you starting at and what do you plan to achieve?

[campcoll88]

Seems like the whole kitchen sink. What's the goal out of all that? More mass, lean mass? Just curious really, don't have experience with 90% of what's on your list so I couldn't really tell you anything about them. But what are you starting at and what do you plan to achieve?

Im 6'2" 190 sub 10% bodyfat. Have run mecha and got 10 pounds post pct at the same dose. I wont be runnin this cycle for another couple months and hopefully I'll be at 195 around the same bodyfat when I start. Hoping to bulk with this cycle and gain 15 pounds of dirty mass and end up at 210.

[campcoll88]

I would just run Mech and 4-AD for 8 weeks. I would bring that Mech dose up though. I loved it at 150mg. Throw in some aegis and eat big/lift big.

I like simple though.

I like this idea but I am worried the returns of mecha would begin to diminish after around 5 weeks.

[DJM]

I like this idea but I am worried the returns of mecha would begin to diminish after around 5 weeks.

dont worry bout stuff that hasnt happened yet

[Fat Bill Dwyer]

I like this idea but I am worried the returns of mecha would begin to diminish after around 5 weeks.

Just curious, why do you think this?

[campcoll88]

Just curious, why do you think this?

I noticed the alpha feeling as well as the steady growth kick very quickly but began diminishing in the middle of week four and some other logs seem to mirror this. However you could also attribute this percieved dropoff in gains to the initial glycogen storage that occurs with mecha.

[milehighguy]

excessive imo....i couldnt even remember to take all that.....

seriously....I would botch the dosing within a few weeks
that seems like overkill and a waste of cash

[campcoll88]

seriously....I would botch the dosing within a few weeks
that seems like overkill and a waste of cash

yea but isn't that the spice of life? Do we not eat bacon on cheeseburgers?

[DJM]

yea but isn't that the spice of life? Do we not eat bacon on cheeseburgers?

you wont taste your 'bacon' on this proposed cheeseburger im 99% positive
too many drugs that essentially do the same thing

like the delta2 as a prewo? why? im quite sure the other 5 phs will give you a kick

id be worried bout your bp and lipids more than your joints

[Broly]

id be worried bout your bp and lipids more than your joints

Second that

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You don't need all that to get to 210, LMG and DMT alone would probably get you that if your diet it on point.

[campcoll88]

you wont taste your 'bacon' on this proposed cheeseburger im 99% positive
too many drugs that essentially do the same thing

like the delta2 as a prewo? why? im quite sure the other 5 phs will give you a kick

id be worried bout your bp and lipids more than your joints

I've seen guys on forums run much higher doses of 1 or 2 harsh methyls for 8. I think I may just run mech at 125 for 8. And like I said the delta-2 was def. a shits and giggles idea.

[DJM]

not all the guys on forums have brains
some are twinks who dont even train, give out advice with no exp

i myself have never run any of those so i cant really comment on doses n so on, it just seems overkill

[campcoll88]

not all the guys on forums have brains
some are twinks who dont even train, give out advice with no exp

i myself have never run any of those so i cant really comment on doses n so on, it just seems overkill

Your advice is wise DJM. You should consider teaching karate. Im def gonna simplify my cycle and save some of the extras for another cycle.

[Broly]

LMG will set in fast... at least it did for me. Mechabol was nice after the first couple of weeks, don't know why but it made me REALLY sick the first 2 weeks. I even passed out in the parking lot of my gym after taking a dose preWO.

[DJM]

LMG will set in fast... at least it did for me. Mechabol was nice after the first couple of weeks, don't know why but it made me REALLY sick the first 2 weeks. I even passed out in the parking lot of my gym after taking a dose preWO.

there is no one size fits all unfortunately

[campcoll88]

LMG will set in fast... at least it did for me. Mechabol was nice after the first couple of weeks, don't know why but it made me REALLY sick the first 2 weeks. I even passed out in the parking lot of my gym after taking a dose preWO.

Mecha gave me some funky sides at first as well like some mild headaches after dosing but it subsided and was manageable with adequate hydration. I also really liked the alpha feeling and my results were good.

Never made me pass out tho thats pretty crazy! What did you dose mecha at?

In regards to LMG, did you notice any positive benefits for your joints?

[nate3993]

not all the guys on forums have brains
some are twinks who dont even train, give out advice with no exp

i myself have never run any of those so i cant really comment on doses n so on, it just seems overkill


mmmmm. twinks ;)

[Jorsn]

Wtf is LMG and DMZ? I see people talking about it quite often. Every time I see "LMG" I immediately think of propane. lol

[nate3993]

Wtf is LMG and DMZ? I see people talking about it quite often. Every time I see "LMG" I immediately think of propane. lol

lmg is Methoxygonadiene. a decaish prohormone. DMZ is Dimethazine. superdrol with a little less power.

[h2s]

lmg is Methoxygonadiene. a decaish prohormone. DMZ is Dimethazine. superdrol with a little less power.
DMZ is actually two superdrol molecules attached.