TMAO.. L-Carnitine.. GPLC/ARGINOCARN

[weekend]

New link between heart disease and red meat: New understanding of cardiovascular health benefits of vegan, vegetarian diets (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130407133320.htm)

i still have like 100 caps of gplc and arginocarn from PP, i was planning on using it but wondering if this new news means it's really just bad for me?

[weekend]

Anyone??

[Cobalt]

Considering how long Carnitine has been used, I wouldn't worry.

Not to mention that the article didn't have actual measurements in terms or volume or time, they just went "CARNITINE BAD" pretty much.

[DJM]

considering you inject yourself with androgens, carnitine i wouldnt worry

[weekend]

Haha alright! I'm wondering if the effect of argino and glyco isn't the same as regular l-carnitine either.

[h2s]

I wouldn't worry about it. It is a potential contributor to heart disease, of which not much is known, the impact of which seems unknown, and the fact that you exercise is beneficial to the heart, which would probably nullify the impact of this is unexplored.

As DJM said, a pin of hormones would probably carry a higher risk, and seeing as we all find the risks to be minimal, I wouldn't worry to much.

[Rodja]

Chocolate Red Meat Can Be Bad for Your Science: Why Many Nutrition Studies Are All Wrong : The Crux (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/04/05/chocolate-red-meat-can-be-bad-for-your-science-why-many-nutrition-studies-are-all-wrong/)

[Grape Ape]

I never have chocolate with my red mean, so that link doesn't pertain to me. Not even gonna click it. My science is fine.

[h2s]

I never have chocolate with my red mean, so that link doesn't pertain to me. Not even gonna click it. My science is fine.

Hahaha.

[Cdsnuts]

Misguided scientists declare all-natural amino acid compound in red meat to be 'bad for the heart' (http://www.naturalnews.com/040421_l-carnitine_TMAO_red_meat_consumption.html)

[Sperwer]

While we're on the subject, has anyone used l-carnitine and found that it produced strange body odor?

I've used it on-and-off for a number of years after reading Lyle McDonald recommending it as part of the limited supplement regimen for one of his rapid fat loss protocols. Seems to have some effect in that regard.

I used it recently as part of my contest prep supplementation. After a few weeks, my wife and daughter noticed that I smelled differently and rather strongly and ID'd the scent as fried dried squid - an old-time snack food in Korea that is losing ground but can still be found in a lot of street stalls. When I first got here, it was the item of choice at the cinema snack bars - an acquired taste (and smell) but not bad in small quantities once you got accustomed to it.

I couldn't figure out what was causing the smell - thought it might just have something to do with the rather large amount of body fat that I was oxidizing - but then I read somewhere recently that L-carnitine can cause changes in body odor.

[Cdsnuts]

GlycoCarn (GPLC) - A Novel Compound - Bodybuilding.com Forums (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=114451411&page=1)

"Is L-Carnitine safe?

L-Carnitine is produced within the body & to date there are no reports of serious side effects caused by L-Carnitine and its derivatives & most clinical studies have claimed there were not any undesired effects.Doses as high as 4g (2x2g)/d may cause nausea & diarrhea (Source).Other rare side effects include sleeplessness,increased appetite,body odor & rash (Source).
The EFSA (European Food Safety Authority) has made an extensive safety evaluation and concluded that up to 2g L-Carnitine or the equivalent 3g L-Carnitine L-Tartrate are regarded safe for daily consumption."

[Sperwer]

Chocolate Red Meat Can Be Bad for Your Science: Why Many Nutrition Studies Are All Wrong : The Crux (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/04/05/chocolate-red-meat-can-be-bad-for-your-science-why-many-nutrition-studies-are-all-wrong/)

Taubes' books are well worth reading, especially Good Calories Bad Calories, if you want the full bore take-down of modern nutritional conventional wisdom and have the patience to sift through all the science with him, or Why We Get Fat, if you just want the Cliff Notes version.

[weekend]

yeah i found some article explaining why this study had improper conclusions... TMAO is actually straight up in fish, this is all bullshit. lol