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Sperwer
04-12-2013, 09:33 PM
I'm Baacckk!

But that's not really the point of this post, whose more interesting and important rationale is to seek the membership's input on a plan that I have been working to bring back into production some of Primordial Performance's products.

I have been working on this for several months. Yesterday, the final big structural piece came into place when I secured a preliminary OEM deal with a certified pharma grade mfgr of pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements. I also have a tentative warehousing and distribution arrangement in place. The basic idea is to license the relevant IP from Eric (with whom I have been in contact in this regard), and to produce and distribute the product from overseas in order to ring fence the business against the sort of arbitrary, capricious and illegal regulatory actions like that which resulted in PP's closure despite the fact that it's product line was completely legal. The preliminary list of products is in the survey; (the survey references Dermacrine, but since that already has been licensed to BPS, I am considering creating an independently and somewhat differently formulated clone).

In order to move to the next step, I need additional data to help negotiate final MOQs with the OEM and benchmark costs, pricing, etc in order to complete a final feasibility study and investment plan.

There are still a lot of hurdles to clear before this can happen, so no one should wet their panties yet.

But you can significantly contribute to making this happen by completing a very short questionnaire, which can be found here:

Project Primordial Resurrection - Survey powered by SurveyExpression.com (http://www.surveyexpression.com/Survey.aspx?id=58404630-1970-44c7-9696-054af1628f1f).

If you choose to do so, and provide an email address (which will not be shared with anyone), you will be eligible for a drawing the three winners of which will receive a complete set of the initial product offerings.

Thanks for your help.

USN HM 350Z
04-12-2013, 09:41 PM
awesome, home something comes of this. Completed the survey for you buddy

Coolazice
04-12-2013, 09:41 PM
Question #2 is not allowing multiple answers.

pitboss
04-12-2013, 09:46 PM
Not working at all for me ...

Sperwer
04-12-2013, 09:47 PM
Fixed (I think)

- - - Updated - - -

Please try again Pitboss; you prbably tried to lg in while I was fixing the problem Cool mentioned.

Sperwer
04-12-2013, 09:50 PM
Thanks, corpsman

Broly
04-12-2013, 10:10 PM
Yep same thing here, number 2 is not allowing multiple answers.

pitboss
04-12-2013, 10:10 PM
I'm in!

burlyman30
04-12-2013, 10:36 PM
Survey sent. The guys are correct, Question #2 is not allowing multiple answers.

Sperwer
04-12-2013, 10:54 PM
Now in gym; will fix upon return. Sorry


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DJM
04-12-2013, 11:38 PM
done

Jack O'Neill
04-13-2013, 12:06 AM
Done. Question 2 is now allowing multiple answers

Coolazice
04-13-2013, 12:23 AM
Done

Sperwer
04-13-2013, 12:57 AM
Thanks to everyone who has answered so far. Even with this small sample to date, the answers are very instructive. Keep 'em coming.

nate3993
04-13-2013, 01:44 AM
Will answer when I get home. How the fuk does this not have more likes??????

milehighguy
04-13-2013, 07:29 AM
done

rockstarjacked
04-13-2013, 07:33 AM
Done... Hope survey helps. Good luck

islandmagic
04-13-2013, 08:14 AM
Completed

Cobalt
04-13-2013, 09:19 AM
I knew you couldn't stay away!

Sorrow
04-13-2013, 02:27 PM
done

HIXX504
04-13-2013, 02:29 PM
Happy to help you with this bro.

Freepressright
04-13-2013, 02:40 PM
Done and praying for the return of 1-T topical!!!!!!!!!! :)

WHC
04-13-2013, 03:01 PM
Done. Good luck.

Macdon1588
04-13-2013, 03:37 PM
Done. And thank you

Macdon1588
04-13-2013, 03:38 PM
Done and praying for the return of 1-T topical!!!!!!!!!! :)

What was the reason 1-t was discontinued before?

Bucks
04-13-2013, 03:56 PM
Done and good luck!

antny04
04-13-2013, 04:12 PM
Done....thanks!


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SoCal-Nutrition
04-13-2013, 04:38 PM
done

Freepressright
04-13-2013, 06:04 PM
What was the reason 1-t was discontinued before?

Introduction of the AndroSeries.

Eric wanted to get away from topicals altogether, but he couldn't silence the demand for them, so he brought back Dermacrine under limited circumstances and then came out with AndroEnhance before the feds kicked down his door.

It took 1-T being no longer available for people to realize what a fucking bargain it was. $59.95 would get you a tube of solid, dry gains with no lethargy or libido loss for most users.

burlyman30
04-13-2013, 06:06 PM
Introduction of the AndroSeries.

Eric wanted to get away from topicals altogether, but he couldn't silence the demand for them, so he brought back Dermacrine under limited circumstances and then came out with AndroEnhance before the feds kicked down his door.

It took 1-T being no longer available for people to realize what a fucking bargain it was. $59.95 would get you a tube of solid, dry gains with no lethargy or libido loss for most users.

Anyone remember what the ingredients of 1-T were? I seem to remember they were similar to Dermacrine's ingredients.

EDIT: found the answer. 1-androsterone was added to DHEA.

Sperwer
04-13-2013, 06:13 PM
Anyone remember what the ingredients of 1-T were? I seem to remember they were similar to Dermacrine's ingredients.

EDIT: found the answer. 1-androsterone was added to DHEA.

Wasn't the principal active ingred 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one


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burlyman30
04-13-2013, 06:19 PM
Wasn't the principal active ingred 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one


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Yes, you are correct... 1-Androsterone is just another name for the same compound, as is 1-DHEA.

Sperwer
04-13-2013, 06:22 PM
I wasn't making a correction. I posted in response to your original before i saw the edit. :))


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burlyman30
04-13-2013, 06:24 PM
I wasn't making a correction. I posted in response to your original before i saw the edit. :))


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No worries... I never have figured out how/why they can and do use multiple nomenclatures for the same compound, but I guess as long as they do their job, it really doesn't matter in the end!

ExtraZeus
04-13-2013, 07:02 PM
This is great news! come on Androhard!

USN HM 350Z
04-13-2013, 07:10 PM
This is great news! come on Androhard!

THIS!!!!

Lugnuts
04-13-2013, 09:32 PM
This is great news! come on Androhard!

x3

If there could be only one I would pick Androhard!! or sustain gel

nate3993
04-13-2013, 09:40 PM
THIS!!!!
u said prototype's spray was better right? and you only used 40 sprays which isnt even the recommended 50.

USN HM 350Z
04-13-2013, 09:58 PM
u said prototype's spray was better right? and you only used 40 sprays which isnt even the recommended 50.

sets in faster. I prefer pills to topical though.

nate3993
04-14-2013, 03:09 AM
sets in faster. I prefer pills to topical though.

sets in faster but overall affect wise you'd say it's about the same?

h2s
04-14-2013, 10:26 AM
Welcome back.

USN HM 350Z
04-14-2013, 11:40 AM
sets in faster but overall affect wise you'd say it's about the same?

yeah, the libido and hardening seem pretty much the same.

Rodja
04-14-2013, 12:23 PM
Done and praying for the return of 1-T topical!!!!!!!!!! :)

This would be far from a smart idea. Topicals are not DSHEA compliant and anyone doing some business with Eric would likely be under scrutiny from the beginning.

Coolazice
04-14-2013, 12:27 PM
This would be far from a smart idea. Topicals are not DSHEA compliant and anyone doing some business with Eric would likely be under scrutiny from the beginning.

It's going to be distributed from overseas, so it may not be that big of an issue... no more than other things brought in under the radar.

saludable24
04-14-2013, 09:19 PM
Done.

Freepressright
04-15-2013, 06:40 AM
This would be far from a smart idea. Topicals are not DSHEA compliant and anyone doing some business with Eric would likely be under scrutiny from the beginning.

I think a lot is going to hinge on their marketing, but since they're making it overseas and distributing it from there, they won't be subject to as much scrutiny. Besides that, Tren, Superdrone and very specific drug-like claims are what did PP in, for the most part, not the topicals.

All of this shit is gray area anyhow, at the end of the day. If the FDA wants your ass, they'll have it and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

Macdon1588
04-15-2013, 07:42 AM
^^To this end, if all of the topically applied stuff can be called skin creams and not have say, a testosterone molecule or really even the word testosterone anywhere near the packaging, that might get it through customs a tad easier.

burlyman30
04-15-2013, 07:59 AM
Change the names to MandroEnhance, MandroHard, MandroSize and it'll sound like a sexual enhancement line of products.

Sperwer
04-15-2013, 08:10 AM
I don't think we know the basis on which the FDA moved on PP. But it's immaterial. The new legislation pending in Congress (and likely to pass this year) will criminalize all production, distribution, possession and use of any substance that is even remotely anabolic, with the exception of DHEA. Even DHEA will be subject to increased regulation, especially if it is in any form other than an orally administered one (in which case it will be classified as a "drug" rather than a "supplement").


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Sperwer
04-15-2013, 08:35 AM
Meanwhile, on the DMAA front, FDA has pulled the trigger

FDA: 'Information is insufficient to defend the use of DMAA' (http://mobile.nutraingredients-usa.com/Industry/FDA-Information-is-insufficient-to-defend-the-use-of-DMAA?utm_********RSS_text_news&utm_medium=RSS%2Bfeed&utm_**********RSS%2BText%2BNews#.UWwPvGQayc1)


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Macdon1588
04-15-2013, 08:45 AM
Meanwhile, on the DMAA front, FDA has pulled the trigger

FDA: 'Information is insufficient to defend the use of DMAA' (http://mobile.nutraingredients-usa.com/Industry/FDA-Information-is-insufficient-to-defend-the-use-of-DMAA?utm_********RSS_text_news&utm_medium=RSS%2Bfeed&utm_**********RSS%2BText%2BNews#.UWwPvGQayc1)


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That stuff was pure shit. That said, I'm sick of the FDA's bullshit. I work with a guy who has to get his asthma medication from Mexico because the company that makes it can't get approval in the United States. It's the only stuff that's ever worked well for him, and he has to smuggle that shit across the border like a drug dealer.

h2s
04-15-2013, 09:28 AM
That stuff was pure shit. That said, I'm sick of the FDA's bullshit. I work with a guy who has to get his asthma medication from Mexico because the company that makes it can't get approval in the United States. It's the only stuff that's ever worked well for him, and he has to smuggle that shit across the border like a drug dealer.

Exactly. 'Pure Shit' or not, does not mean it can be taken away as if the users are children and the govt. is a parent.

O_RYAN_007
04-15-2013, 10:41 AM
Done-Zo!

Freepressright
04-15-2013, 10:50 AM
DMAA will make your wiener stop working

nate3993
04-15-2013, 11:53 AM
I tried labrada's stim force which had DmAA and noticed little to nothing. I hardly use stims and even muscletech's hydroxystim didnt do much which had quite a bit of rawluscine or however you spell it in it and that stuff is supposed to be pretty potent. It sucks. I rarely take any stims but seem to have like developed almost like a permanent tolerance to em. It's pretty lame.

nate3993
04-15-2013, 12:02 PM
^^To this end, if all of the topically applied stuff can be called skin creams and not have say, a testosterone molecule or really even the word testosterone anywhere near the packaging, that might get it through customs a tad easier.


I don't think we know the basis on which the FDA moved on PP. But it's immaterial. The new legislation pending in Congress (and likely to pass this year) will criminalize all production, distribution, possession and use of any substance that is even remotely anabolic, with the exception of DHEA. Even DHEA will be subject to increased regulation, especially if it is in any form other than an orally administered one (in which case it will be classified as a "drug" rather than a "supplement").


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Dam. That's pretty shitty. Well. At least AAS works better anyway. Yeah, the legality sucks, but the homies need juice one way or another.

AestheticOne
04-15-2013, 01:01 PM
filled out survey, hope dermatherm comes back :(

badgermilk
04-15-2013, 05:50 PM
Survey done. Good luck with this!

Sperwer
04-15-2013, 06:18 PM
filled out survey, hope dermatherm comes back :(

Which Dermatherm do you like, the original cream or the reformulated version w/ the new gel carrier?


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nate3993
04-15-2013, 06:21 PM
Which Dermatherm do you like, the original cream or the reformulated version w/ the new gel carrier?


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i heard waaaaaaaay more positive about the gel.

Sperwer
04-15-2013, 06:39 PM
i heard waaaaaaaay more positive about the gel.

I think so. I'm using it for my cut for the Mr Seoul contest in three weeks, and it's like napalm for fat


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saludable24
04-15-2013, 06:43 PM
Exactly. 'Pure Shit' or not, does not mean it can be taken away as if the users are children and the govt. is a parent.

If only the Government didn't behave like a child itself and stayed within the very limited powers granted it under the constitution, then and only then would such common sense ever be applied. We the people are the ones that are supposed to "parent" the government, not the other way around. If this was ever understood by the majority of the population, the FDA would never be allowed to ruin individual companies or whole industries in the name of pharmaceutical company profits and ignorance in the first place.

mahatma
04-16-2013, 09:55 AM
Survey completed.

campcoll88
04-16-2013, 03:45 PM
has this survey been posted on any other boards?

xxiv
04-16-2013, 04:48 PM
completed, I hope this come to fruition.
good luck.

BeaverDan
04-16-2013, 05:47 PM
Don't tease me! Survey done.

Sorrow
04-16-2013, 05:57 PM
Which Dermatherm do you like, the original cream or the reformulated version w/ the new gel carrier?


The cream worked good, but the gel had me fairly ripped the last time I competed at 220. Was absolutely all fat mobilized too. I think that may be a factor on why you can almost possibly see an outline of abs on me these days is how effective it was. And I have never been a big believer in "sight specific fat reduction" but I will attest to that stuff. That, and hard are the two products I want to see back the most!

Enuke65
04-16-2013, 07:39 PM
Survey complete. Definitely bring back AndroHard V3, the best out of the who series I think.

Scope75
04-16-2013, 08:06 PM
Completed and man I'd like to see AndroHard come back.

saludable24
04-16-2013, 09:56 PM
AndroHARD v3 would also be my most wanted.

Lugnuts
04-16-2013, 11:09 PM
I never got the joy of trying AH V3..

Jorsn
04-17-2013, 12:38 AM
I was fortunate enough to run AHV3 for 16 weeks... Man that stuff was amazing!! I wish I never had to come off of it!

weekend
04-17-2013, 12:50 AM
androhard dermatherm and sustain. probably wont ever buy hard since im on mast but it was the greatest hormonal product offered. some friends got great results from mass v2 and v3.

also one friend really loved lean v3. the formula seemed awesome.

def would buy sustain, toco, endo, dermatherm.. put endo and toco in caps together and id be stoked, kinda grown to hate dropping that powder daily

O_RYAN_007
04-17-2013, 05:38 AM
ahv3 was good, but tbh, I loved AHv1 way better. I'd like to see them come back.

longBallLima
04-17-2013, 09:30 AM
really does seem that resurrecting the products and not bringing hard wouldn't be very sensible, unless cost prohibits it. you can drive that whore out of the market with it too. aggressive publicity denouncing her foul ways lol

O_RYAN_007
04-17-2013, 10:04 AM
I say making a topical ah would be great!

Tbh, I ran AHv2 for 12 wks solo, and I got great leaning effects (dropped 5% bf and only dropped 2 pounds from the start) without the lethargy and strength slightly increased as well. I hadn't run anything hormonal for 6 months prior. I also ran AHv3 for 12 wks solo but didnt exp anything similar to the AHv2. My body responded much better to v2.

Overall for me, AHv1>AHv2>AHv3. I didn't run AHv1 solo though, I ran it with tbol lv. I just couldn't believe the amount of fat I lost while on V2. Thats because I wasn't even in much of a deficiency.

Scope75
04-17-2013, 11:21 AM
AHv1 was hands down the best and v2 was a close second but V1 was the shit...

Fat Bill Dwyer
04-17-2013, 11:54 AM
Hard please! That stuff was without a doubt the crown jewel of the PP product line. Stacked well with damn near everything and put you in full on beast-mode.

O_RYAN_007
04-17-2013, 01:57 PM
The AHv3 run I ran was AHv2 solo for 12wks, but the last 4 wks I added in AE (I ran a total of 16 wks). I really like the AH AE stack. Much better than AHv3 solo.

Lugnuts
04-18-2013, 12:52 AM
I still have a few bottles of ah v1 in the fridge..

O_RYAN_007
04-18-2013, 05:31 AM
Nice!!

MRBB
04-18-2013, 07:41 AM
Survey complete. Good luck with this!

Sperwer
04-18-2013, 11:46 PM
Thanks to everyone who has taken time to complete the survey; the feedback is very important and very helpful. If you haven't responded yet, please do; it will help our efforts to make this happen.

For those following the thread, it will probably come as no surprise that the leader of the hit parade is Adrohard, closely followed by Dermacrine. Also high in the ratings are Toco 8 and EndoAmp. So, assuming we can get this going, you can count on all those being among the first offerings.

Thanks again, guys.

longBallLima
04-19-2013, 12:20 AM
whats the chance the pricing will beat PP's? LOL

Sperwer
04-19-2013, 12:48 AM
whats the chance the pricing will beat PP's? LOL

I honestly don't know yet; haven't priced out raws yet, and i don't have a comparison basis with PP's formulation costs (although I'm sure pkgng costs will be less) or final OEM production costs. I was a PP customer too, though, and while I didn't have a big problem with the pricing, I hear ya


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burlyman30
04-19-2013, 01:25 AM
whats the chance the pricing will beat PP's? LOL

Can't blame you for wanting to save a buck, but what's the value of pharma grade products with batch testing? I'd say it's worth what it was being sold for before. But if someone INSISTED on selling it for less, I'm sure no one would complain. :-)

Sperwer
04-19-2013, 01:38 AM
I just want to underscore what Burly said about quality. The goods will be produced in cGMP facility that is certified in compliance with the pharma requirements of all the USFDA, EU and the local version, which is actually stricter) and that does formulation and production for reputable local, European and US pharmaceutical and nutrition companies.


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weekend
04-19-2013, 02:06 AM
Sustain alpha gel plz i want

Sperwer
04-19-2013, 02:09 AM
Very likely also in the first batch. If not for some reason, I'll send you one of my stash


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weekend
04-19-2013, 02:59 AM
:D

hossam
04-19-2013, 06:47 AM
done! good luck man!

USN HM 350Z
04-19-2013, 05:58 PM
dermatherm gel =)

Grape Ape
04-19-2013, 07:18 PM
Androhard
Sustain Alpha
1-T transdermal


EDIT: What would be a ball park estimate on when this would come to life? 6 months, a year, etc..

Lugnuts
04-19-2013, 07:23 PM
Can anyone tell me how the sustain gel was? I only tried the first topical version and LV.. I loved the topical.

Sperwer
04-19-2013, 08:27 PM
Androhard
Sustain Alpha
1-T transdermal


EDIT: What would be a ball park estimate on when this would come to life? 6 months, a year, etc..

Right now, in addition to working on this, I'm preparing for the Masters' Divisions of both the Mr. Seoul contest, 2 weeks from Sunday, and the Mr. Korea contest, 11 days later. The prep leaves this grandpa pretty comatose for a significant part of the day, but after the contests are over, it will be all this all the time. I'm still a little apprehensive about projecting an ETA, though, since I've yet to get into real discussions with raws suppliers (in China), so I don't have a feel yet for their capacity to deliver quality goods in suitable amounts according to a mutually workable schedule.

longBallLima
04-19-2013, 09:09 PM
I honestly don't know yet; haven't priced out raws yet, and i don't have a comparison basis with PP's formulation costs (although I'm sure pkgng costs will be less) or final OEM production costs. I was a PP customer too, though, and while I didn't have a big problem with the pricing, I hear ya


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I just want to underscore what Burly said about quality. The goods will be produced in cGMP facility that is certified in compliance with the pharma requirements of all the USFDA, EU and the local version, which is actually stricter) and that does formulation and production for reputable local, European and US pharmaceutical and nutrition companies.


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I can definitely appreciate that and i was more joking than anything :) you seem very fair in everything you've mentioned regarding this enterprise and I'm sure your price won't escape that logic

I applaud your courage and entrepreneurial sense!

And definitely agree with you burly, even if my stupid tablet won't quote you lol

O_RYAN_007
04-20-2013, 10:01 AM
Very likely also in the first batch. If not for some reason, I'll send you one of my stash


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WHAT???? I want one!!!!!!!!! :)

O_RYAN_007
04-20-2013, 10:04 AM
Can anyone tell me how the sustain gel was? I only tried the first topical version and LV.. I loved the topical.

POTENT Stuff!! I've used first topical version, lv, and the gel... And the gel seems to crush my e2 levels at 4-5 pumps. I have one bottle in my stash, so I will only use 1-2 pumps.

Avl
04-26-2013, 09:04 AM
done!

would love to see a souped up derma, sustain, 1t tren or tbol..

naeydrin
04-26-2013, 10:11 AM
Done.

Freepressright
04-26-2013, 01:24 PM
A brutha' can dream!

675676

Avl
04-26-2013, 03:06 PM
niiiiiiiice

Macdon1588
05-19-2013, 08:35 AM
So, in thinking about Primordial Performance products of yesteryear, I think the very first product should be androhard lv. I say that because it was a good bang for the buck AND the lv carrier helped the absorbancy of anything else you take with it.

Jack O'Neill
05-19-2013, 08:54 AM
So, in thinking about Primordial Performance products of yesteryear, I think the very first product should be androhard lv. I say that because it was a good bang for the buck AND the lv carrier helped the absorbancy of anything else you take with it.

AH lv in v3 !

It may be useful to have an alternative solution in caps because when you stack it with Trenazone and Dermacrine for ex. there's no enough place on your body :)

Coolazice
05-19-2013, 09:02 AM
AH lv in v3 !

It may be useful to have an alternative solution in caps because when you stack it with Trenazone and Dermacrine for ex. there's no enough place on your body :)

I'm not sure if you were around when LV was, but LV = Liqua-Vade. LV was an oral, liquid delivery system.

Grape Ape
05-19-2013, 02:49 PM
Updates on the progress of all this?

Sperwer
05-19-2013, 06:14 PM
On it; i've had some experience w/ start-ups, but this one is a helluva lot og work - a lot of moving parts.

I just cracked my last tubes of Dermacrine and SA, though, so the boilers are lit and stoked.


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O_RYAN_007
05-19-2013, 08:33 PM
A brutha' can dream!

675676

NICE!!! I still have 2 bottle of 1-t tren in my frig!

mahatma
05-30-2013, 06:58 AM
Updates on the progress of all this?

^^^

what he said

O_RYAN_007
05-30-2013, 08:07 AM
I'm very curious about this as well!

O_RYAN_007
06-05-2013, 08:16 AM
Any updates on this Sperwer??

Lugnuts
06-05-2013, 09:18 PM
Any updates on this Sperwer??

x2

Sperwer
06-05-2013, 10:59 PM
Working on locking up the financing now - very close.


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O_RYAN_007
06-06-2013, 10:30 AM
Sweet deal jabeal!

weekend
06-06-2013, 01:44 PM
As I finally come to the end of my dermatherm target tube, I realize how much ill
Miss it. Haha

O_RYAN_007
06-23-2013, 08:05 PM
Bump!

Bucks
06-24-2013, 10:51 AM
In for this before I run out of Androhard! LOL

Grape Ape
06-24-2013, 02:06 PM
Will these be released under a new name?

Sperwer
06-25-2013, 01:07 AM
Will these be released under a new name?


Undecided yet.

Jack O'Neill
06-25-2013, 02:13 AM
Undecided yet.

Prices will be the same than PP?

Sperwer
06-25-2013, 02:32 AM
Prices will be the same than PP?

Undetermined yet.


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markam
06-25-2013, 03:32 AM
Just to add my 2 cents, I reckon Androhard v3 will be the most missed product from the PP line, then perhaps AM v3.

Enuke65
06-25-2013, 04:24 AM
That's a solid 2 cents. I concur.

Bucks
06-25-2013, 05:53 AM
Andro Hard I would bank on being your best seller. I still see it mentioned in a lot of boards and the price is just insane online now even if you have old V2 which is expired.

Stano seems to run out of stock in several stores during spring and summer months even though IML has just added in their version of it to the mix. More options is better!

I still think people will pay for Andro prices. Everyone complained about PP prices and if you have seen AF's recent clones of AndroLean and AndroDrive they are $70-$80 for 42 capsules bottles. Not sure what AF will charge for their AH clone but it will probably be under dosed as well.

Freepressright
06-25-2013, 11:05 AM
AndroRection gets my vote

weekend
06-25-2013, 11:56 AM
Sustain gel...

milehighguy
06-25-2013, 12:34 PM
X2
loved androhard but SA is an all time fav!

joe1313
07-01-2013, 11:07 AM
Sustain gel...

x3

weakling
07-03-2013, 12:30 PM
x3

X4

weekend
07-04-2013, 01:28 AM
X4

holy fuck, i used one of my last 4 doses of sustain gel today, and god damn did i have great sex and a great day... get me more ASAP

great mood, great workout... NEED MOAR

joe1313
07-15-2013, 11:48 AM
Bump for updates

weekend
07-15-2013, 12:29 PM
Bump for updates

X2!

LBC-83
07-15-2013, 12:33 PM
I believe he is on vacation.

joe1313
08-08-2013, 03:42 PM
Bump.

milehighguy
08-08-2013, 04:23 PM
Can't believe how fast the sustain alpha gel dries after application. I didn't have a problem with the original version but the latest version is amazing. Bring it back please!

Sperwer
08-08-2013, 11:40 PM
Projecting completion of raw analysis and small batch beta testing of initial product offerings by Thanksgiving


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O_RYAN_007
08-09-2013, 05:32 AM
projecting completion of raw analysis and small batch beta testing of initial product offerings by thanksgiving


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i'll be a beta tester!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sperwer
08-09-2013, 05:37 AM
LOL. Be careful what you wish for. I may make you an offer you can't refuse. ;)


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O_RYAN_007
08-09-2013, 05:38 AM
LOL. Be careful what you wish for. I may make you an offer you can't refuse. ;)


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hahahaha, just PM me already an tell me I'll be your first beta tester!

ryhigh
08-09-2013, 11:21 AM
I think the Ryan's should be testers lol, signing in

weekend
08-09-2013, 12:37 PM
I will beta test sustain alpha gel...

O_RYAN_007
08-09-2013, 12:46 PM
i think the ryan's should be testers lol, signing in
yeah buddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'll beta test everything!!

Scope75
08-09-2013, 01:26 PM
I think the Ryan's should be testers lol, signing in

X2
Real name is Ryan. Lol

olddawg
08-09-2013, 02:10 PM
they're lookin for guys to beta test that new heart grown from stem cells and a pig heart casing


yeah buddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'll beta test everything!!

ryhigh
08-09-2013, 02:40 PM
I think I'd be a good candidate, I've been told I have no heart numerous times

Cobalt
08-09-2013, 03:11 PM
My middle name is Ryan, can I get on the list too?

Bucks
08-09-2013, 03:55 PM
I just changed my name to Ryan so we're set !

milehighguy
08-09-2013, 04:02 PM
they're lookin for guys to beta test that new heart grown from stem cells and a pig heart casing

You didn't sign up?

Broly
08-09-2013, 04:44 PM
Will Beta test with DETAILED log.

Sperwer
08-09-2013, 05:25 PM
Thanks guys. When the time comes, I'll make some opportunities available.


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xxiv
08-09-2013, 07:20 PM
Will Beta test with DETAILED log.

I will beta test with a DERAILED log.
I'll put my efforts into posting nonsense that has nothing to do with goals or method and everything to do with how my abs look under a shirt.

USN HM 350Z
08-09-2013, 08:08 PM
I will beta test with a DERAILED log.
I'll put my efforts into posting nonsense that has nothing to do with goals or method and everything to do with how my abs look under a shirt.

So Ippy style log

h2s
08-11-2013, 06:25 PM
I will beta test with a DERAILED log.
I'll put my efforts into posting nonsense that has nothing to do with goals or method and everything to do with how my abs look under a shirt.

Seems like a creatine log on most boards.

Freepressright
08-28-2013, 09:12 AM
Bump for updates

Sperwer
08-28-2013, 07:20 PM
Production of some product beta test batches projected for late October


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Broly
08-28-2013, 07:44 PM
I will beta test with a DERAILED log.
I'll put my efforts into posting nonsense that has nothing to do with goals or method and everything to do with how my abs look under a shirt.

Ha Ha...

Referencing this?
MECHA-BALLIN' (LMG/Mechabol/Androgel) - AnabolicMinds.com (http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/202189-mecha-ballin-lmg.html)

xxiv
08-28-2013, 08:40 PM
Ha Ha...

Referencing this?
MECHA-BALLIN' (LMG/Mechabol/Androgel) - AnabolicMinds.com (http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/202189-mecha-ballin-lmg.html)

that was a superb example. Those guys really know how to not contribute.

Broly
08-28-2013, 10:11 PM
that was a superb example. Those guys really know how to not contribute.

That was my last log. It ended abruptly because I got spooked off the boards for close to a year when someone messaged me claiming to be OSI.

nate3993
08-28-2013, 11:49 PM
Were they? That's scary. I just looked up what OSI is

mahatma
08-29-2013, 06:10 AM
[QUOTE=Sperwer;26160]Production of some product beta test batches projected for late October

This is good news.

Like most everyone else I would consider it a privilege to beta test any batches.

Macdon1588
08-29-2013, 09:06 AM
That was my last log. It ended abruptly because I got spooked off the boards for close to a year when someone messaged me claiming to be OSI.

It wasn't the steroid use, it was those crimes against humanity;-).

Broly
08-29-2013, 07:14 PM
Were they? That's scary. I just looked up what OSI is

Yeah man... and then not much later PP got raided! The timing of all that was enough to keep me off the boards for a good while.

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It wasn't the steroid use, it was those crimes against humanity;-).

PUNY humans (Broly Voice)

Enuke65
08-29-2013, 07:51 PM
is OSI like the airforce equivalent of NCIS for the Nav?

Broly
08-31-2013, 04:53 PM
is OSI like the airforce equivalent of NCIS for the Nav?

Yeah

Enuke65
08-31-2013, 10:26 PM
Fuck man, that's some scary shit, was it actually them or just some dick bag trying to scare you?

nate3993
09-01-2013, 12:11 AM
Fuck man, that's some scary shit, was it actually them or just some dick bag trying to scare you?

Lol. Look at post 162

mahatma
09-03-2013, 08:20 AM
NSA = watching & listening to everyone !

Grape Ape
09-10-2013, 01:21 PM
Decided I want some androlean for a late winter early spring recomp. ETA?

Sperwer
09-10-2013, 06:18 PM
Decided I want some androlean for a late winter early spring recomp. ETA?

Should be able to accommodate you by Spring. Now negoing w/ prospective raw suppliers. Other earlier to arrive offerings will be Hard, Sustain A, Toco 8 and. EndoAmp Max. At least the latter three will be "new and improved" formulations with significantly higher concentrations of actives of higher purity. Also another surprise initial offering similarly differentiated from an existing product in the market.


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xxiv
09-10-2013, 06:25 PM
Should be able to accommodate you by Spring. Now negoing w/ prospective raw suppliers. Other earlier to arrive offerings will be Hard, Sustain A, Toco 8 and. EndoAmp Max. At least the latter three will be "new and improved" formulations with significantly higher concentrations of actives of higher purity. Also another surprise initial offering similarly differentiated from an existing product in the market.


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this sounds so good.

Sperwer
09-10-2013, 06:28 PM
this sounds so good.

Oh and the SA, T8 and EAM each also will have some interesting new ingredients


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xxiv
09-10-2013, 06:39 PM
Oh and the SA, T8 and EAM each also will have some interesting new ingredients


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i think i like you more than a friend.

burlyman30
09-10-2013, 09:08 PM
i think i like you more than a friend.

Lol

weekend
09-10-2013, 09:08 PM
Oh and the SA, T8 and EAM each also will have some interesting new ingredients


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When you thinking on that sustain?

Sperwer
09-10-2013, 09:14 PM
When you thinking on that sustain?

End of the year


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Scope75
09-10-2013, 09:18 PM
Man this is some great news.

Grape Ape
09-10-2013, 10:19 PM
Sweet!

northcutt
09-11-2013, 01:02 AM
Oh lawd great news.

Now the SA.... will it be topical?

Sperwer
09-11-2013, 01:03 AM
Oh lawd great news.

Now the SA.... will it be topical?

Yep


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BoneDaddy
09-11-2013, 06:00 AM
I touched myself while catching up on this thread.....kick ass news!

Lugnuts
09-28-2013, 09:32 PM
My old stash is gone, hurry this up i need a resupply :D:D
874

Bucks
09-28-2013, 09:44 PM
Wiping a tear....

SoCal-Nutrition
09-28-2013, 09:47 PM
I know some of you may think this is lame, but seeing that picture reminded me about dream tea...I loved that stuff!! I went through some rough times and had trouble sleeping...the dream tea and sleep scent really helped me out without making it hard for me to wake up in the morning.

Lugnuts
09-28-2013, 10:04 PM
I still have the scent vial in my bathroom, not sure if its still good.. lol

milehighguy
09-28-2013, 10:06 PM
Primordial Performance Slumber Stack From PredatorNutrition.com (http://www.predatornutrition.com/en/brand/primordial-performance/slumber-stack/)

Tiburon
10-28-2013, 09:46 PM
NICE!!! Joined this forum to follow this thread. Any updates???

erolivas
11-20-2013, 03:35 PM
I can't wait.

O_RYAN_007
11-20-2013, 03:36 PM
Sperwer, any updates?

Sperwer
11-20-2013, 06:59 PM
Meeting with the oem next week to determine production schedule for first batch of AH

burlyman30
11-20-2013, 07:04 PM
Meeting with the oem next week to determine production schedule for first batch of AH

wOOt!! wOOt!!

Manny3685
11-20-2013, 09:25 PM
Hurry run!!!!!!!!!!!

WesleyInman
11-20-2013, 09:49 PM
Meeting with the oem next week to determine production schedule for first batch of AH

Any idea how much these are going to go for??

All I know is I WANT ONE!!! I have to try this product for myself.

Stanolone is such a good product. I only wish I found out about it sooner!

burlyman30
11-20-2013, 09:51 PM
Any idea how much these are going to go for??

All I know is I WANT ONE!!! I have to try this product for myself.

Stanolone is such a good product. I only wish I found out about it sooner!

Sperwer, answer carefully... this guy will pay just about anything to try the famed Androhard! Lol

ctAL
11-20-2013, 10:03 PM
cool

Enuke65
11-20-2013, 10:04 PM
What will the formulation be this time around? Closer to the original AH, or more towards AHv3?

Manny3685
11-20-2013, 10:35 PM
Any idea how much these are going to go for??

All I know is I WANT ONE!!! I have to try this product for myself.

Stanolone is such a good product. I only wish I found out about it sooner!
I want 2

Sperwer
11-20-2013, 11:20 PM
What will the formulation be this time around? Closer to the original AH, or more towards AHv3?


What did you find especially good about V1? For me it was the "instant-on" effect of all the substantive stuff - vascularity, hardness, etc. In my experience, the major difference in V3 was the modulated uptake and the sustained release - resulting from the the use of the undecanoates. We're playing around with ideas to get both. Which do guys prefer?

Bucks
11-20-2013, 11:27 PM
Any idea how much these are going to go for??

All I know is I WANT ONE!!! I have to try this product for myself.

Stanolone is such a good product. I only wish I found out about it sooner!


I happen to know someone with a safe AH stash ! $$$$

LOL

burlyman30
11-20-2013, 11:31 PM
V1 hit fast and hard. V3 was smooooth. Both were good, just different. I do think the V1s fast effects made it a favorite.

Grape Ape
11-21-2013, 12:00 AM
Tried v2. Was awesome for me body composition wise. I really liked the use of Androsterone. It acted different than any epiandrosterone product I ever used. Felt more powerfull. The mix of both always sounded best.

weekend
11-21-2013, 12:40 AM
Any idea how much these are going to go for??

All I know is I WANT ONE!!! I have to try this product for myself.

Stanolone is such a good product. I only wish I found out about it sooner!

actually, stanolone is also known as DHT.

i would love some injectable stanolone....

BBG
11-21-2013, 01:03 AM
V1 was my favorite... You could really feel it kick in. And, of course, the price was nice too :)

weekend
11-21-2013, 02:43 AM
ah yes, after 4 years of lifting, my first cycle...

2 bottles for 34.95$ each, "stacked" with phytotest.

gained 15 lbs and people could finally tell i lifted.

weekend
11-21-2013, 02:48 AM
i know that v2 changes your body the most of the 3.

v3 kills estrogen the best

v1 is the most "wire you up"

i would go with v3 but lighten up the delivery system a bit. it was hard on the digestion IMO

O_RYAN_007
11-21-2013, 05:45 AM
I agree with the fast acting V1 I loved that the most. Extreme hardness, vascularity, alpha feeling and boners!! I also agree with weekend in that V2 changed my body the most out of the 3, I lost 5%bf is 12 wks running V2 solo.

Turbo6GN
11-21-2013, 08:45 AM
Fast acting is always nice, especially if stacked with something that takes longer to kick ie: halo

burlyman30
11-21-2013, 09:31 AM
I agree with the fast acting V1 I loved that the most. Extreme hardness, vascularity, alpha feeling and boners!! I also agree with weekend in that V2 changed my body the most out of the 3, I lost 5%bf is 12 wks running V2 solo.

Interesting... you're the third person in this thread to mention the recomp of v2. I had no idea there was such a difference over v1 or v3.

I guess that goes to show you that there is a place for androsterone (v2) and epiandrosterone (v1). I will say that v2 did get some complaints. Androsterone affects the GABA receptors, I believe, and would make some people sleepy. V3 attempted to lessen this by combining the two... but...

what if we had both compounds at our disposal individually, to mix and match in the amounts and ratios that worked best for us...

weekend
11-21-2013, 10:32 AM
Or we could have a two part product. Formulate v3 like caps for both: androsterone for night time and epi androsterone for when we wake up!

^i really think this is a good idea haha

burlyman30
11-21-2013, 10:42 AM
Or we could have a two part product. Formulate v3 like caps for both: androsterone for night time and epi androsterone for when we wake up!

^i really think this is a good idea haha

Boners for Everyone!

weekend
11-21-2013, 11:11 AM
the androsterone at night would make you sleep better and burn fat like a mofo,

then the epiandrosterone would have you wired all day!!

i would be stokeddddd

Strong_Guy
11-21-2013, 11:31 AM
Tried v2. Was awesome for me body composition wise. I really liked the use of Androsterone. It acted different than any epiandrosterone product I ever used. Felt more powerfull. The mix of both always sounded best.

^^THIS

O_RYAN_007
11-21-2013, 01:30 PM
Interesting... you're the third person in this thread to mention the recomp of v2. I had no idea there was such a difference over v1 or v3.

I guess that goes to show you that there is a place for androsterone (v2) and epiandrosterone (v1). I will say that v2 did get some complaints. Androsterone affects the GABA receptors, I believe, and would make some people sleepy. V3 attempted to lessen this by combining the two... but...

what if we had both compounds at our disposal individually, to mix and match in the amounts and ratios that worked best for us...

I heard this A LOT, but I never experienced this and I was dosing like 6-8 caps/day.

BoneDaddy
11-21-2013, 03:24 PM
I'm sorry, but V1 was hands down the best ph(or supp for that matter) that I've ever used, hands down.

naeydrin
11-21-2013, 05:07 PM
I ran V2 for 6 weeks and loved it, I did get a bit lethargic at week 5 but wasn't that bad (the recomp was amazing). Never tried V1 or V3.

Enuke65
11-21-2013, 05:31 PM
Tried all three versions of AH.
AHV1 hit the quickest and hardest, V2 made me feel like death (crazy lethargy), with V3 being my favorite. I'm guessing it was the delivery system in V3 that kept you sort of elevated for periods of time, where with the AHV1 I felt it "kick in" quicker but by the days end it sort of fizzled out, if that makes sense.

weekend
11-21-2013, 05:48 PM
Not tryna repeat myself too much but I would be so down for an all epiandro in the v3 delivery and an all andro in v3 as well for morning and night :)

Sperwer
11-21-2013, 06:53 PM
Not tryna repeat myself too much but I would be so down for an all epiandro in the v3 delivery and an all andro in v3 as well for morning and night :)

No promises at this stage, but I hear ya

ryhigh
11-21-2013, 09:31 PM
No promises at this stage, but I hear ya

That would make me giddy

Turbo6GN
11-22-2013, 12:04 PM
Tried all three versions of AH.
AHV1 hit the quickest and hardest, V2 made me feel like death (crazy lethargy), with V3 being my favorite. I'm guessing it was the delivery system in V3 that kept you sort of elevated for periods of time, where with the AHV1 I felt it "kick in" quicker but by the days end it sort of fizzled out, if that makes sense.

Same here, as some of you know I was quite outspoken about V2, I stacked AH/AM V2 and was absolutely crushed by it. Citrus burps/farts, tummy ache and unbearable lethargy. I'd certainly be willing to give a reformulated version a try. Was planning to run AH V3 and then the raid/seizure spoiled my plans. I'm sure it's great but nothing is $350 a bottle on Ebay great lol.

saludable24
11-23-2013, 11:25 AM
Androsterone is awesome for my body comp. I used AH v3 and it was amazing. Using Epiandrosterone products never came close to the ALPHA, yet calm, feeling I got from AH v3 and never had the dramatic body comp changes that the androsterone produced. The mix of both Isomers, in an esterfied form, along with a time released emulsification system that included compounds that enhanced the absorption and prevented the hormones from being deactivated is still unmatched to this day. I hope this will be true to the original product, unlike the pathetic scam that AndroFactory is trying to pull with their severely under dosed versions of AndroDrive and AndroLean. If this is going to be a resurrection of AH v3, I cannot wait; but anything less will be highly disappointing.

Cdsnuts
11-23-2013, 01:25 PM
Tried all three versions of AH.
AHV1 hit the quickest and hardest, V2 made me feel like death (crazy lethargy), with V3 being my favorite. I'm guessing it was the delivery system in V3 that kept you sort of elevated for periods of time, where with the AHV1 I felt it "kick in" quicker but by the days end it sort of fizzled out, if that makes sense.

x2.....exactly.

erolivas
12-12-2013, 12:59 AM
Any new updates??

Lugnuts
12-22-2013, 08:41 AM
x2... I got money saved for this!!! need a summer recomp! :cool:

GYMnTONIC.com
12-22-2013, 08:50 AM
Any new updates??



Would love to hear and update and some more on when this might arrive!!!

In the meantime, can honestly say that I have had nearly a dozen feedback from people running either the IML version of Epi andro RX and initial results of EPI ANDRO HARD, the Prescription Nutrition version. Happy to report that out of those users, at least half have reported that at a high dose they are just as happy with these products as the Andro Hard VH1. We have had 2 people say it reminds them of AHVH3 but better, so certainly some variance..but nonetheless, everyone reports being happy with these products so far!! So not a bad backup plan in the meantime.

So far so good.

Nonetheless I can't wait to try this version that comes out and give an honest feedback as well!!!

In the meantime, today starts my run of PN EPI ANDRO HARD 320mgs ED and 45mgs of Epistane ED :) Should be fun!!

burlyman30
12-22-2013, 10:07 AM
Any new updates??

I talked with Sperwer last week. Things are in process, but with a short delay over the holidays, as one might expect. Sorry I don't have any dates for you at this time, but rest assured, things are moving forward. Sperwer will be better able to answer with details and specifics.

Manny3685
12-22-2013, 10:13 AM
That's what I'm gonna do but I'm throwing in dieanazone.

Tyler
01-31-2014, 08:57 PM
bump

Would love to see some of these products

b_oconnor
02-15-2014, 09:41 PM
So being an old member of PP and just now finding this site, I see this thread. I really hope something is able to happen!

Sperwer
02-16-2014, 12:05 AM
So being an old member of PP and just now finding this site, I see this thread. I really hope something is able to happen!

We've hit some speed bumps getting quality raws in quantity and getting regulatory clearance for their importation. Was hoping to avoid the latter, but nothing a few white envelopes won't resolve. Working....


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Grape Ape
02-16-2014, 11:11 PM
Grease dem wheels...You have til may 1st to produce a package on my door step.

Cdsnuts
02-17-2014, 07:27 AM
Grease dem wheels...You have til may 1st to produce a package on my door step.

I think it has less to do with grease and more to do with green.....

Grape Ape
03-23-2014, 04:56 PM
Well, how about an update over the last 4 weeks? My deadline must have you losing sleep.

O_RYAN_007
03-24-2014, 04:53 AM
Interested as well!!!

Enuke65
04-17-2014, 04:35 PM
any updates?

mahatma
04-30-2014, 06:13 AM
PP Product Resurrection has occured.....PP always had huge delays in bringing their products to market.....kinda just like this

I joke.

Enuke65
06-03-2014, 04:42 AM
Bump?

howardstern
06-26-2014, 04:35 PM
bump

O.N.
06-26-2014, 09:42 PM
You do realize most of the natural range including a better version of sustain alpha (Res100 Liquid) are now available here: http://www.wickedsupplements.com (http://www.wickedsupplements.com)

TocoCaps - capsule version of Toco8
Endocrine Amplifier - capsule version of EndoAmp Max

For more information about the SEDDS in Res100 Liquid have a read here: SEDDS Wicked Supplements (http://www.wickedsupplements.com/products-page/delivery-technology/sedds/)
And on the forum here: SEDDS Sustain Alpha Liquid Replacement (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/wicked-supplements/1988-sedds-sustain-alpha-liquid-replacement.html)

weekend
06-27-2014, 12:25 AM
You do realize most of the natural range including a better version of sustain alpha (Res100 Liquid) are now available here: http://www.wickedsupplements.com (http://www.wickedsupplements.com)

TocoCaps - capsule version of Toco8
Endocrine Amplifier - capsule version of EndoAmp Max

For more information about the SEDDS in Res100 Liquid have a read here: SEDDS Wicked Supplements (http://www.wickedsupplements.com/products-page/delivery-technology/sedds/)
And on the forum here: SEDDS Sustain Alpha Liquid Replacement (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/wicked-supplements/1988-sedds-sustain-alpha-liquid-replacement.html)

sustain alpha gel only.

oral = near zero results.

i use tococaps though, nice to hear about the endoamp

howardstern
06-27-2014, 04:57 PM
nah i didnt realize that but im not really interested in those products. I thought this thread was to update what was going on with PP products and a possible return . but burlyman and spewer just fell off the face of the earth

ExtraZeus
06-27-2014, 05:25 PM
Burly and Spewer were the first to beta test his new AndroSwole formula. They are now too busy flipping cars and smashing buildings to respond. Plus, when they try to type on the keyboard it just breaks.:p

tallstraw
06-27-2014, 05:45 PM
^When I first read that I was like this supplement makes you open up your own car dealership!? Count me in!

O.N.
06-27-2014, 06:34 PM
sustain alpha gel only.

oral = near zero results.

i use tococaps though, nice to hear about the endoamp


When Res100 was in capsules we have an average increase in testosterone of 114.49% in 30 days from before/after blood tests from customers, now in liquid results are looking even better. The liquid formulation is similar to that of sustain alpha yet better since we actually employed a pharmaceutical scientist, we have already had several people say it is better than the original sustain alpha, i would challenge you to try it and see how you like it. Gel sustain alpha is certainly an option in the future however for consumer ease of use liquid is always going to be easier and preferred, we have not stated anything about the gel in our trials however we were able to replicate it also but didn't pursue this option for the above reasons.

I can say the liquid version is highly bio available and better than the original + several ingredients in sustain alpha were not for oral human consumption they are not in our formula.

howardstern
06-27-2014, 10:21 PM
i will def look into the res100 becuase it looks interesting but with all do respect wouldn't you be a little biased about your own product? Im also from the united states not australia so the shipping would be more right?

But i did personal message need to study and spewer so il let you guys know when and if they get back to me

O.N.
06-28-2014, 03:15 AM
i will def look into the res100 becuase it looks interesting but with all do respect wouldn't you be a little biased about your own product? Im also from the united states not australia so the shipping would be more right?

But i did personal message need to study and spewer so il let you guys know when and if they get back to me

Here is a review from Cdsnuts from this forum SEDDS Sustain Alpha Liquid Replacement - Page 4 (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/wicked-supplements/1988-sedds-sustain-alpha-liquid-replacement-4.html#post37821) comparing Res100 liquid to Sustain Alpha

As for shipping SoCal Nutrition should have the liquid in stock soon and it wont be so high, either way with the SS10 discount you can use on our site does bring the costs down for you.

As for being biased yeah I fucking love our product it's awesome it works and it works very well. The proof is when people like you and the other guys on here take it and review it like Cdsnuts just did.

As far as standing behind the product we are backing ourselves big time this year with a university human trial.

BBG
06-28-2014, 06:35 AM
As for being biased yeah I fucking love our product it's awesome it works and it works very well. The proof is when people like you and the other guys on here take it and review it like Cdsnuts just did.

As far as standing behind the product we are backing ourselves big time this year with a university human trial.

Of course he backs his products... he is the one creating them. If he were just a mindless drone, then yeah, it might be off putting. But literally this is the man who is making these products happen. He knows the quality and stands by it.

I know enough people who take toco caps to know that these guys are the real deal.

O_RYAN_007
06-28-2014, 11:50 AM
Of course he backs his products... he is the one creating them. If he were just a mindless drone, then yeah, it might be off putting. But literally this is the man who is making these products happen. He knows the quality and stands by it.

I know enough people who take toco caps to know that these guys are the real deal.
I started toco caps last week, lets see how everything plays out. I'm confident it will deliver from what I hear.

O_RYAN_007
06-28-2014, 11:55 AM
The price for the liquid res isn't as bad as I thought it would be.

SoCal-Nutrition
06-28-2014, 03:20 PM
Here is a review from Cdsnuts from this forum SEDDS Sustain Alpha Liquid Replacement - Page 4 (http://www.swolesource.com/forum/wicked-supplements/1988-sedds-sustain-alpha-liquid-replacement-4.html#post37821) comparing Res100 liquid to Sustain Alpha

As for shipping SoCal Nutrition should have the liquid in stock soon and it wont be so high, either way with the SS10 discount you can use on our site does bring the costs down for you.

As for being biased yeah I fucking love our product it's awesome it works and it works very well. The proof is when people like you and the other guys on here take it and review it like Cdsnuts just did.

As far as standing behind the product we are backing ourselves big time this year with a university human trial.

Yes! we have Toco (http://socal-nutrition.com/wicked-supplements/toco-caps), Endoamp (http://socal-nutrition.com/wicked-supplements/endoamp-caps), Res100 (caps) (http://socal-nutrition.com/wicked-supplements/res100), and Cycle Guard (http://socal-nutrition.com/wicked-supplements/wicked-cycle-guard) in stock now (toco is really low though). we should have a shipment of the Res100 Liquid in a couple weeks.

weekend
07-02-2014, 02:54 PM
When Res100 was in capsules we have an average increase in testosterone of 114.49% in 30 days from before/after blood tests from customers, now in liquid results are looking even better. The liquid formulation is similar to that of sustain alpha yet better since we actually employed a pharmaceutical scientist, we have already had several people say it is better than the original sustain alpha, i would challenge you to try it and see how you like it. Gel sustain alpha is certainly an option in the future however for consumer ease of use liquid is always going to be easier and preferred, we have not stated anything about the gel in our trials however we were able to replicate it also but didn't pursue this option for the above reasons.

I can say the liquid version is highly bio available and better than the original + several ingredients in sustain alpha were not for oral human consumption they are not in our formula.

i will be able to use the liquid in a couple months... if you want a review i would be down at a discount :)