Turnover25
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Hey man!

Have you experienced a crash from supplement or food besides the b vitamin? I ate at an indian restaurant and ate a dish containing turmeric. That night i crashed hard (no Sleep, total ed, watery semen, pain in penis etc). Have you experienced soemthing like this, and did you recover and how long did it take? This was 3.5 weeks ago and has not become better at all

@Outlaw I believe it would imply that. Good luck, I hope you get it figured out. If you find yourself with zero answers 6 months down the road after trying cleanses etc, like I did, my post will still be there

Hi, thanks for the answer. Of course I don't expect the methyls to cure me and would like to try, but there are many stories of guys crashing from them for many months so I'm not too keen on that.

So you don't know if paradoxical implies an inability to tolerate folate? Since I tolerate it, I don't think I have that.

You're a king for figuring all that stuff on top of having PFS, this is such a unique problem

@Outlaw dude, no doctor knows what the fuck they are talking about with any of this stuff. I went down that path for months. I honestly don’t know what I’m talking about either, all I did was what the Freddd guy did, and tweaked it until I felt better. Doctors were useless. You’re not overmethylating, this was months ago. Just take some B12, wait a bit, then take folate. Do 5 pills and tittate up to 30-35 over an hour period. Then take more B12, wait a bit, take niacin. Thats literally all I did. I really can’t help beyond that. And I couldn’t eat greens at all. But if this is gonna stay in your head and cause you to obsess I’d at least try it and see if you can’t rule it out. Folate isn’t going to kill you. You could take 5 bottles worth. Just try it and play around with it. The stress is going to make your PFS worse. I played around with methyls, realized they weren’t gonna cure me, and don’t take them anymore. But I think you’re gonna need to come to the same conclusion.

Hey man, I am so sorry to bother again with fucking B vitamin stuff. Feel free to ignore this message if you feel like it. If not, I promise not to make it a back and forth.

I've been reading a bunch and seeing naturopath to evaluate how the B impacted me. The 2 hypothesis are overmethylation and paradoxical defiency. Problem is, while methylb12 is the solution for paradoxical, it would also make me worse if it turns out I am overmethylating. So kinda hesitant to dip my toes in that direction.

Also, I reintroduced green vegetables and I can eat a ton, with no side effects really. I recall you couldn't. My only question is, does this mean I should rule out the paradoxical theory?

Sending you good vibes

Hey @turnover,
Thanks so much man for everything. I know I really hard to keep coming back and answering these questions. I know these things play games on the mind. Thanks to people like you and c.d are such things possible to be handled.

5. Did you follow the brands that Fredd gave.
6. Did you take L- carnitine
7. Have you fully recovered from the folate deficiency trap.
8. Did you still continue to take folate and b-12 after making it out of the trap.
9. For someone with b-12 deficiencies should they continue on the dosages mentioned till the deficiency is taken care of.

Hey @Turnover25
Sorry for bothering you but I just wanted to ask you a few questions so I can properly start my trap recovery process.

My story:-
I took a methyl based b - vitamin for my b-12 deficiency . After which I took about 500 mcg of methylcob along with 500 mcg of L- methly folate for about 20 days . Crashed later after break a water fast with green juice. Same symptoms as yours.

My questions

1. Did you test for a b-12 deficiency. If not then how would you advise someone who has a deficiency to go about this as even after getting out of the trap one has to keep taking some sort of supplement to reverse the b-12 deficiency. ( would you suggest shifting to cyanocobalamin or hydro cob ) .

2. What supps did you take( including b-vitamins and methly vitamins) . In what order. In what dosage?

3. Did you get any reaction when leaving the trap which fredd mentions in his post?

4. Did it take you just one day to get out of the trap?.

Ok, I will work on calming my mind. I agree I must be full of cortisol and that doesn't help. Weirdly I am way less panicky in this fasted state. Like I don't look behind and know I have shit to do in order to heal.

I am finishing my fast on friday, after which I will be super safe with food and I will try the folate thing when my exams are done. I trust it, but I can't risk it with exams in 2 weeks.

And I totally understand, I won't question you about it anymore. You've been really helpful and I don't wanna keep making you dip your toes in this pool of shitty memories.

I can't thank you enough for the help man, I'm rooting for you for your remaining recovery. Leave the door open for me on the way out

@Outlaw or don’t, it’s your choice. But you need to make a game plan, and stick with it. From there, calm your mind and relax. If you raise your cortisol during PFS, you’re just going to get worse. Which is what obsessing and stressing does

In al honesty, all the info you need is on my post, I wrote a novel about it and left it there so I wouldn’t have to revisit the bad experience I had, just talking about it removes me from being able to move on from all this, I don’t really want to coach someone through it for 6 months, I don’t say that in an asshole kind of way obviously but I understand how shitty your situation is which is why I don’t want to revisit it myself everyday, I’ve considered deleting that post altogether because I always get messages about it. Obviously I’m here for you but I’m telling you, you’re gonna be fine and need to quit freaking out