1st cycle, help with proper PCT

Hey Swolesters,:cool:

1st time poster and been reading a lot of information on here. Let me apologize if this is the wrong board to post on:confused:. I have been reading a lot about PCT and there is so much info out here in cyber world, that it's starting to run together and become confusing to a 1st timer. Let me start off with some info about myself.
-I am 30 yr male, 5'8'', :(155lbs and try to work out 3-5 times a week with some cardio. Also had test checked -478

Goal- I don't want to blow up to be 200lbs. Realistic goal that I have in mind is 165-170lbs with nice shoulders, arms and chest. BF% i would GUESS 15%.
The cycle I will be running is: Sustanon 250 1mL every 5-6days(10weeks) then at wk 7 adding Masteron-100 3xWk @ 1 mL for final 3 weeks. Like I said 1st cycle so I am not going extreme, Just testing the waters. I also know Masteron is better suited for lower bf%. Thought of using this to help with the test water retention and such.

My main question is what PCT would be best for this cycle? I want to have kids someday and don't want to become permanently sterile and zero testosterone. I've read all over this site and others about ppl using Clomid, nolva etc. I just want levels to return to normal after the cycle. Also what dose and for how long would be appreciated. Once again, thanks for any info and sorry for being a total newb about all of this. Just wanting as much info as possible BEFORE starting.

Kind of thinking something like this:
WK:1-10 Sustanon 250
WK:7-10 Masteron 1mL 3xs a week (eod)
Wk:11-12 HCG 1x week@ 1000-2500??
Wk:13-16 Clomid 50/50/25/25
Maybe throw in some Formastanozol?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated especially from folks who have done this before. Just looking for tried and true methods, not so much on the actual cycle, but most important(especially to me) the PCT. Deff want the body to function as normal and be able to live a happy reproducing life:D

First- your testosterone levels results are quite low, tough testosterone levels fluctuate a lot and are affected by lot of things- you may have had a flu or some brief illness which would "eat" your androgens- so another test would be needed, but so far it seems that you are already TRT candidate.

As for cycle- for more details best to ask Weekend, Burly and others as they have better knowledge in "stacking". I'll just add few observations:
I dont like it at all, hoestly- first Sustanon is a poor choice (IMO) as it is very difficult to calculate PCT and also it has short esters which lot of people dont tolerate well as they cause flu, so there is also "sustanon flu"- so I would switch that to testosterone enthanate
Second- I would run HCG through all of the cycle, 250-300 IU 3X a weeks, before or after test jabs, to keep things simple
Third- you nedd to have some AI on hand, preferably aromasin- you will probably need some, but how much it is impossible to tell as its diffent from person to person

As for PCT- clomid (max should be 25 ed or 50 eod), little bit of aromasin/exemestane, vitamin d 2000-5000 IU, also eating mixed nits helps a lot (or tocco-8) and optionally you can add viagra/cialis/taladafil as it also helps in raising test. levels
I would run PCT for at least 6 weeks+ taper 2 weeks

Any special reason for the Sustanon?
are you 15% bf now or that's your goal? Plus, 10lbs is not a whole lot. If your goals are not a bit more hefty, you may wanna look into straight TRT or a reboot or something of that sort, since your Low T may be keeping your muscle mass down

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Originally Posted by Jelisej

optionally you can add viagra/cialis/taladafil as it also helps in raising test. levels

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i did not know this.

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Originally Posted by xxiv

i did not know this.

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No Wonder the FemBots Don't Like Vitamin V

You have some info here.

Appreciate the info and quick response fellas. As for the T Levels, doc says I am not a candidate for RT since I dont fall below the 250-270 range. I know as well as all of you know it's bullshit. Whatever the case may be. Reasoning behind Sustanon, well to be quite honest not much of one except in my thinking which might be totally wrong, figured with the short and long esters combined I could get a good kickstart with the short esters, and have it in my body longer to get optimal gains with the long. Like I said, done a tone of researching and by this point, everything is running together so I am reaching out to others who have either done Sus, or another type of Test cycle. Ok, no more bull, I'd like to see 175, which would be about 20 lbs. Any more than that for me will be too much with my physical activities that I do. I was just guessing at the 15%. Goal wise id like to hit 10-12, but once again I am not into competitive lifting or anything like that. Just want to put on size for person well being and such. I have read about the sus flu, which is another reason I am waiting and getting more info. I have access to about anything really, but would like to stay with test no matter what. This is great info guys and I also didnt know about raising test by using viagra or cialis etc. Never thought to since I never had that problem ha.

As for kickstarting cycle, you can start with for example test prop, and you may even finish with test prop (or maybe some oral AAS to close gap between last shot and PCT you may have issues with test prop as well- but it will be for 2+2 weeks rather than 12) but wold still go with test e, really- rather than sustanon, also as I said earlier calculating start of PCT is difficult task and with sustanon its much much more difficult as there are too many variables.

And make sure that you run HCG during whole cycle (and not after) and stop 3-4 days before PCT.


As for your testosterone levels, will get back to it some time after PCT.

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Originally Posted by Jelisej

As for kickstarting cycle, you can start with for example test prop, and you may even finish with test prop (or maybe some oral AAS to close gap between last shot and PCT you may have issues with test prop as well- but it will be for 2+2 weeks rather than 12) but wold still go with test e, really- rather than sustanon, also as I said earlier calculating start of PCT is difficult task and with sustanon its much much more difficult as there are too many variables.

And make sure that you run HCG during whole cycle (and not after) and stop 3-4 days before PCT.


As for your testosterone levels, will get back to it some time after PCT.

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So you are saying something along the lines like this...
wk 1-10 Test E (What dose? How many times?)
wk 1-10 HCG (at what dose and once a week?) Also read for test e to start it about wk 3 till eoc
wk 7-10 Masteron 3xs week @1mL
wk 1-10 Adex .25 ed or .50 eod

PCT
WK 12-16 Clomid 50/50/25/25 or Nolva 40/40/20/20 (Read some say to do both?)

I feel like I might be missing something here, so feel free to chime in. Thanks again!

you'll be shutdown after only a few days on test. start hcg day 1.

Test E or C or P(my recommendation :)) week 1-10. if using test P do 50 mg ed. if using test E or C, do 200 mg 2x per week.
hCG week 1-12 250iu MWF
Masteron week 7-12 150 mg MWF (450/wk). if you want to avoid pinning frequently do that, or pin ED with less volume for less discomfort.
I prefer aromasin for an AI, adex is fine too. i have realized that everyone seems to respond differently to different AI's, so dosing recommendations are tough. if using adex, i would do .25 to .5 mg ed to start, you may need more.

PCT:
week 13 and on...

Clomid: 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5/12.5EOD
Aromasin: 12.5 mg MWF at the beginning and then taper down by feel
Toremifene (Optional): 60/60/40/40/20/20/0

check bloods 6 weeks after PCT. if your test is still in the shitter, run some superdrol for a few days or something and then go to the doctor and your test will be bottomed out and you can get on TRT lol

I agree with the amount of test weekend is recommending^^^

250 a week will not give you 20lbs IMO